VMP VS Whipple Is One Really Better Than The Other?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
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I've owned both of these blowers on different 03/04 Terminators so this is my take and perspective on each blower and their good and bad points on each.
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Thank you for this! Exactly the type of video I was looking for. Great content as always, brother!
@@Kevin-uz6sv Glad it helped I always hope to give some insight or bring about an additional way of looking at things
@Lethal_Venom sorry if I missed it, but which one would be more audible at WOT? It sounds like the vmp is louder in video's.
@@Kevin-uz6sv My VMP was definitely audible at WOT, I have a short video and a longer video on the VMP vs Pullied Eaton whine. The whipple in my last video on the dyno also whined quite well. Mine is hard to hear over my exhaust due to the long tubes and no cats but that’s being resolved. One factor to consider is the pulley size being run, smaller pulley = more whine but also brings along more issues with belt slip
@@Lethal_Venomthank you sir🙏🏻
@@Kevin-uz6sv Welcome!
Good personal assessment on each blower, their pros and cons. Each of us have different goals for our cars and varying budget constraints and time to consider when selecting the appropriate blower.
That's definitely true. And with blowers the adage of bigger is better is not always the case. If I had the option to straight up trade my 2.3 for 3.0 whipple I wouldn't. Both the Gen3R and 2.3 whipple are great blowers the big negatives being the non removable elbow for Whipple and the crap throttle body that comes with the VMP kit. Better off buying the blower / intake / TB separately. My gripe is that they offer it with the kit with such low quality for such an expensive package.
The removable TB is a big selling point for me personally as I like accessibility when performing maintenance. I wonder with careful/precise machining if the Whipple could be fabbed with removable elbow and fitted with good gasket. Not sure if Whipple left enough material for tapping and bolts.
@@ScoopsSVT That could be a big reason where they wanted more airflow to make that inlet bigger at the cost of not being able to remove the elbow. Guess I'll find out over time how much of a hassle maintenance stuff is on it. Would have loved to find a VMP 2.3 but they do not come up for sale often
I’d say you were spot on with the 2.3 whipple hitting harder down low compared to the larger ones. That’s what I’ve heard from others as well. I had a 2.3, but never installed it and sold it. Gonna enjoy the ported/pullied Heaton for now!
@@3500camarz The ported Eaton was my original plan being that I was told that it was a ported Eaton when I bought it but I soon found out that it was not the case. They are a ton of fun from what I’ve heard
I'm really glad you made this video. I've been meaning to reach out to you to see your opinion of both blowers as you've experienced both. I'm really wanting to try the gen3r on the dsg. Mainly for esthetics since I like the big intake. But I agree I think both are competitive with one another especially for staying under 700whp
The Gen3R is an amazing blower so my best advise about it is not buying the kit that includes the throttle body. You will hate your life using that thing. Get the Gen3R and 5" intake separately and get something else for the TB. I'm running the LFP with the whipple and I'm really happy with that one.
@Lethal_Venom yea I'll definitely take your advice on that. I see that they sell just the blower itself now. I'd just get the whipple 5" intake, and gt500 throttle body if I do end up switching blowers
@@loscar5oh That’s a solid plan
Great video Travis. You have a unique perspective that qualifies you more than most to do a comparison like this.
@@tomkjr1 Thanks, considering I’ve had time with the whipple and VMP I figured it would make a good unbiased topic
3 Cobras on Pete's dyno the same day. A 2.3 Whipple, 2.3 VMP(mine), and 2.2 Kenne Bell. All running within a pound or so of boost with each other. There was less than a 20 pound HP spread between them. They are all pretty equal with propper supporting mods and tuning. Your point about pros and cons of each is right on. It really is personal preference. For a max effort build there may be a standout, but the smaller blowers are pretty close to each other.
I have no doubt my Gene3R with a smaller pulley and E85 would smoke my whipple 2.3 on the same set up but given the constraints of 93 octane they are very comparable. All the blowers you mentioned are great blowers the only main difference being that the newer ones ( Whipple / VMP ) are more efficient than the KB but that does not mean they don't make power. Recent video I did on a friends with a 2.3 whipple at 18 PSI made 650 and another friend with a 2.6 KB and 21 PSI made 630 but that means nothing when being done on different days / weather. What did your vmp 2.3 put down and with what mods? Any interest in trading for a whipple 2.3 lol. That VMP 2.3 is still my favorite blower
@@kbr6397 Those are all great numbers. I’m looking forward to getting mine back there to see what it does with the fuel issue resolved
@@Lethal_Venom I think you said you are going to use Cobra Dan. He did the work on my car. I went with full Fore return system. He said it was more than I needed, but I wasn't sure if I wanted to run E85 someday.
@@kbr6397 Yeah I’m going down to him when I can fit in the time to get it down there now that he’s able to take mine in
New subscriber to your channel here. Great video.
I went from a 2.3 Gen 2 Whipple with a 3.00 upper pulley to a 3.0 Gen V Whipple with a 3.00 upper.
Many days I miss the 2.3. The 3.0 is lazy down low compared to the 2.3, how ever mid range and up top it’s absolutely insane.
If I could do it again I would have stayed with the 2.3 and done a 2.95 upper and 2/4lb lower.
Down the road I’m going to do head studs and add a 2lb lower to the current Gen V set up. I’m not sure what the car is making now but it’s tuned by Dunn on E85 at 25/26lbs of boost.
And just to add, working on the car with the Gen V is an absolute nightmare. There is minimal room to do regular maintenance and I have broken multiple TPS sensors because it sits so close to the strut tower. The fact that the blower does not come with a removable elbow is a major major fail. The other issue is the massive throttle body. Tuning was very difficult and I still have cold start issues, along with many others.
@@Svt01Snake Thank you for the support. That reinforces what a lot of people have said in regard to the 2.3 vs bigger blowers. I have a 6# lower now and I was bleeding off boost when it was tuned due to the factory boost line not being connected. I made 18 psi then so if I’m at or over 20 when I go back with the upgraded fuel pumps I’ll look into doing a smaller lower and slightly dropping the upper. I try and keep my eye on the boost when doing a pull but I can’t just stare at it for long.
That set up must be a monster up top and mid range. What throttle body do you have on it now? The LFP has been great for me
@@Lethal_Venom I wish I would have stayed with the 2.3 also just to see what it could do max effort on e85.
I’m running the Whipple 132mm Roval throttle body. Thank god I didn’t go with the 150mm that has even more idle issues.
I’ll be following to see how it does with the new pumps.
Are you still on SVTP?
@@Svt01Snake Yes I’m still on SVTP: Venom 351R. Mostly just hang out in the Terminator section
@@Lethal_Venom I’m Cobravenom01 on there. Glad I found your channel. I Have plenty of new content to watch now during morning cardio haha
@@Svt01Snake excellent lol. I'm sure I'll see you around on SVTP
First of all you can get a vmp elbow for stock/bbk/accufab/lfp or dragon throttle body. The vmp you have to dent the crossover but you dont lose room behind the blower like with a whipple , you say the elbow makes servicing easier try working on stuff behind the bigger whipples.they are right against the firewall. Price point vmp is cheaper so no coolant crossover makes it cheaper than bigger whips. I have installed and serviced all, vmps my favorite to work on.
@@lobostang1 The elbow does nothing for the absolute garage throttle body that VMP includes in the kit. I run the LFP now and it’s flawless. For the kind of money they charge for the VMP kit they should include a better throttle body
Does Apollo like rides in the Cobra? 🐕😃❤So happy for another upload brother! 🐍❤
haha, he has not been in it. I think its a bit too loud for his liking lol
@@Lethal_Venom I'd bet... Sorry, I just had to ask... I always wanted to know. 😄
@@CheesusSVT Yeah he’s never had a Cobra ride in either one but he does ok with the bronco lol
My 2.9 Gen4 standard inlet, 3.0 upper “feels” stronger everywhere than my 2.3 with 2.7 upper.
@@rambro0943 overall it should but much of it is perspective as well. I’ve never driven a 2.9 to compare to mine so much of it is based on what others have said. Without doing a back to back seat of the pants feel it’s hard to tell. Can’t go wrong with either one though.
You could use a different throttle body if you wanted. I wouldn't use anything LFP. I have thrown them throttle bodies away to replace them with accufabs that they are a cheap copy of
@@williamterry138 I sold that car 2.5 years ago. The throttle body was fixed before that but not easily. I wouldn’t run anything but LFP, I’ve heard too many horror stories about Accufab. Petty sure they are the ones they supply the VMP ones as well
Even vmp favors whipple in their latest videos which is odd to me
That in reference to the S650?
Sort of. They’re specifically speaking about the s650 but we all know what applies to the s650 also applies to the s550. Their strategy is interesting I must say.
@@jbp1981 They are definitely not the competing entities of years past
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