It would be great if somebody was able to locate Shinano, the last of the three Yamato Class ships. Converted to an aircraft carrier and sunk by the submarine Archerfish. Shinano was being moved to a IJN Naval Base in the Inland Sea when Archerfish stumbled upon her by accident. For quite some time there were people in the U.S. Command who did not believe that Archerfish had actually torpedoed an aircraft carrier. The IJN had so few left and we knew where they all were. Shinano had been built in complete secrecy to prevent the U.S. from mounting a special bombing mission to destroy her before she could be completed. Almost all the documentation on Shinano was destroyed by the Japanese prior to U.S. Occupation. Survivors from her crew were kept segregated on a small island to keep the construction, and subsequent loss of Shinano a secret. A number of Shinano's survivors were transferred to duty aboard Yamato since so much of the machinery was identical. There are only a couple of known photographs of Shinano, so finding her wreck would undoubtedly provide a treasure trove of information on the ship, and her conversion to a massive aircraft carrier.
I am glad they found this, it is always good to remember history. 1000 men died on this ship when it went down. I am hopeful that this is considered when discussions of the sights future come up. It is important to remember history, but it is imperative to remember and respect the lives lost here. As to Musashi herself: I am of the opinion modifications were done to Musashi when it was decided it would become the new flagship. In my opinion, Musashi had armor protections etc. greater than Yamato, and likely greater than anyone has guessed so far. The amount of punishment the ship withstood is simply astounding! It is also a possibility that ways to improve the design were discovered while building Yamato and applied to the second ship Musashi. The missing turrets will likely be very hard to find. If Musashi suffered a magazine explosion like most of the Japan Battleships, the turrets could be blown quite a ways from where Musashi now rests. The yamato class turrets also were simply in the barbettes by gravity- when the ships roll over, the turrets simply eject out. Anyway, Musashi is certainly a fascinating ship, and I am glad its resting place has been discovered and documented.
+davenhla Indeed! The amount of punishment both Yamato class ships endured was insane...especially when you compared to other Battleships. Example, when Force Z when Prince of Wales and Repulse were sunk they were only hit by 8 torpedos and a few bombs. That speak volumes of the endurance of the Yamato class ships. Just imagine how tough they would of been to sink by gunfire...you know doing what they were designed to do..fighting other BB's and not aircraft. Its a crazy thought IMHO.
hopefully they'll add some kind of security to this wreck. the pacific is plagued by illegal salvagers primarily from mainland china and philipines, desecrating these tombs and destroying such historical wrecks.
I don't really care. These people beheaded, tortured, and enslaved allied POWs on a whim and pressed their own women into sexual slavery. On top of that, they still lie about it all to their own people to this day. They could make this thing into dog food cans and I could care less.
I thank you for posting and showing us some true history. Enemy ship or not, she was beautiful. I'm a big Navy history and great lakes history nut. Thank you again. To her sailors that went with her, R.I.P. To our sailors lost during that time, thank you for your service, Far Winds and Following Seas.
When I was a young man I looked at war like a sport. "nice shot!" Now that I am older, I think about all the tears that have been shed over the next 75 years from that one day. Tears from parents and brothers and sisters. How many tears fall from two countries from just one day of war? Then think about how many years WW2 lasted.....How many tears?
Tears are a whole lot better than silence. Japan's defeat by young men who also largely started out thinking as you did means that today Japanese young men and American and Indian and Filipino and Commonwealth & Chinese & Russian and... young men can literally play war as sport together. If Nation's across the world hadn't allied, knowing full well there'd be tears, instead a national culture that saw the deaths of millions of civilians & soldiers alike foreign and domestic as just grist to the mill might yet survive in control of Japan. War is not the worst thing that can happen. Musashi was built with the explicit goal of killing the Americans who traded with it's builders, it's sinking is in no way sad or regretful, it's building was.
At 1:31:00 forward looking at the guns, ports, and entry hatch, I believe that's the aft part of the ship (rear superstructure) The guns in the video are possibly triple barrel 25 mm AA (a very effective and deadly round). All totaled I think there were twelve (12) triple-barrel 25 mm mounts (turrets) whose rounds were directed (aimed) by the single manned local fire control structure we see in the video. At 1:32:05 I see the rangefinder which is in remarkable condition because it contains a lot of brass and other metals not subject to corrosion. Note the quality condition on the bearing ring where the compass degrees are still visible. Also see the Navy ID plate still in good condition. Looking closely I can see what looks to be a electrical trigger, which would be the correct technology of the time, local fire control meant that the person looking through the rangefinder decided when to fire. The binoculars/mount would be connected to each gun mount (turrets) and the triggers for each gun. When "FIRE!" was pressed, all guns connected to the trigger and switched to "on" would fire at the target. Sometimes the spotter (a separate man) would not only point out targets, but he would also have a bank of switches where he could control which guns would fire (port, rear, or starboard side). Other setups would have a gunfire control for each side of the ship, and yet other ships would have all guns controlled by a central gunfire control center (that could be switched to manual mode at each station when necessary). P.S. As the authors stated, the Musashi had various gun configurations, in 1942 and 1944.
Its hard to watch. Seeing pictures of Musashi and Yamato before when they were alive and looking at how torn up and destroyed they are now. To the untrained eye they would just look like hunks of junk metal that fell overboard during a storm. But when you see all the photos, know how many men got on her and how many returned, its hard to look at. You see the sea life covering up the extreme burn marks, the metal showing their scars of explosions, the bride where the commanders fought and the guns that whistled their ammo through the air to their target. To see all that technology, money, and human life be used for war and seeing the remains of what was and KNOWING that inside her bulkheads, inside her remains, are the remains of her crew as they went with her to the bottom. Its hard. You're not just looking at a battleship...You're looking at a mass grave.
Musashi... You, just like Miyamoto Musashi... "You've kept us waiting" for years to meet you again. Now the "last sister" of the Yamato Class left to find is Shinano.
The Shinano was only photographed twice on 1 November 1944, by a Boeing B -29 Superfortress reconnaissance from an altitude of 9,800 meters (32,000 ft), and ten days later, by a civilian photographer aboard a harbor tug during Shinano's initial sea trials in Tokyo Bay and like her half sisters Yamato and Musashi she was built in extreme secrecy
Shinano was the biggest ship of the yamato class, and the biggest ship of her time, she was surpass, by the USS Forestal. I dont understand why historians they do not give it a matter.
Probably also because Shinano never saw combat. If I'm not mistaken she was sunk by torpedoes while on it's way to be fitted out with her equipment. The fact that conversion into a carrier was rushed ment that a lot of corners were cut in the waterproof compartments. She sank only after 4 torps. Yamato and Musashi could take a lot more beating. And don't forget a 4th Yamato class Battleship was originally planned, though only a third was completed before scrapped.
This is a truly remarkable video of an amazing expedition to find this ship funded by a man who had devoted immense resources to this and other lost vessels of war, yet despite this the comments section is infected with people abusing one another! Unfortunately, social media is frequently anything but social!
I started to research ships because of her and her sisters, Musashi sank a few days short of the day of my birth 43 years later. Seeing this now, the damage she took and what looks like a final blow from her magazine igniting as she sank is phenomenal as is just finding her. Well done and I hope you find the last of these massive ships.
its extremely interesting to see these kinds of dives on wrecks , and it was most heartening to see the entire crew pay homage to the deceased at the end , very moving
@r c seems too much of the jingoistic propaganda of Roosevelt survives to this day. Did your family buy too many war bonds? You are very incorrect about Japan's goals for the war. And if you knew anything about the Bushido Code at all, you would know that cowardly is NOT a word that applies. SAD
@@nofrackingzone7479 you got to take into consideration she had a different set of problems that the other yamato class didn't and if I recall her torpedo armor wasn't complete when she was on her way to receive her aircraft
Thank you Paul Allen for what you have given us and the legacy that you have left. Outside of this fellow David, wherever he comes from; being rather annoying and “never being wrong,” the video was amazing. I might like to point out to David that Musashi was not the single largest ship present in the Sibuyan Sea on October 24, 1944. Her sister Yamato was also present and took two bomb hits. The Helldiver and Avenger pilots did not make a mistake, as he says, by concentrating on the Musashi. This would have been the accepted plan of follow-up attack. They had her burning and they needed to put at least one of these two behemoths down, which they did. This would have been correct in keeping with the execution of the order of battle: make sure of one. An attack pilot takes out the most important target that effects the immediate situation. He is not determining whether Willis Lee’s BB’s are still in place to protect 7th Fleet or have been detached under Task Force 34 by Halsey. He needs to put down the biggest capital ships if carriers are not present. This was not a strategic game in the comfort of one’s den. Taffy III prevented any mistakes that may have occurred due to Ozawa’s decoy in what is arguably the most incredible battle in all of naval warfare, or the Battle off Samar. It was correct that they ‘piled on’ and it was far from ‘sad’ as David says. I know one of the survivors of the Gambier Bay and he remembers all too well how each large caliber naval rifle hit on the CVE rocked his ship the next day; you tell him it was sad that this BB was removed from further combat. There are still some of us out here who lost immediate family in the PTO and in many cases to extreme brutally after capture. Thank God it finally ended before August 22 1945, when all Allied prisoners were slated to be done away with and before Operation Olympic could be executed in November. Also, comparing US BB’s, say of Iowa class, to Yamato Class, the Japanese started the Yamato Class in contravention of the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922 and then dropped out of the treaty altogether. The US adhered to the treaty, along with the other Allies, and also had to build BB’s that could transit the Panama Canal. The beam of US capital ships were governed by the width of the canal’s locks. It would be interesting to one day see a survey of Shinano; she’s as deep as Titanic. I would venture to say that she is sitting upright on the bottom with four distinct and visible torpedo holes along her starboard side.
I'm glad I am not the only one annoyed by that guy. Took up a lot of time to verbally slowly convince himself that his seat of the pants conclusion was in error. Probably blew his mind.
so much for scholarship and accuracy hu. Propaganda rah rah rah sis boom bah crap. We'd just as soon know the truth, which is the first casualty in war eh? Gambier Bay was hit by cruiser shells, not 18.1" shells from main batteries of Yamato or Musashi. This is from many eye witnesses on both sides. Japan was discriminated against in both Washington and London conferences with the ratios, and first violated them with cruisers, not battleships. These weren't started until 1938 / 1939.
I can surely guarantee that no boilerman made it off the ship, as a tin can sailor in the after fireroom we had specific duties to perform rigging boilers for destruction prior to sinking or possible capture and that included gagging all safety valves, loading the burners with extra large orifice plates, lighting off all fuel oil pumps, and opening sea cocks to the ocean- that all takes time and given the drive of a typical IJN sailor, likely they all died trying to do just that once the order was given to self destruct.
@@BeachsideHank The vast majority of Musashi's crew made it off. She took hours to sink. Reading the US account of her sinking makes it sound like we (USA) couldn't believe she was still floating. Next wave would come in expecting Musashi to be gone only to find that not only was she still afloat, she was still making headway at decent speed. Musashi probably took more to kill than any other ship, ever.
Arizsun Ahola that and the Bismarck. Heavily debated to this day if it was scuttled or destroyed. The hull of the ship is still in fantastic condition.
It would have been absolutely amazing to watch the construction that went on during the war effort all over the world. The rate at which these ships, submarines, fortresses etc were build was absolutely amazing.
My dad was part of the attack that sank her flying a F6F Hellcat . He lost more then one friend. He'd tell you war is hell and people die. Better to kill then be killed.
+田原サツキ Translation of the above Thank you for finding me! Please doing Nemurase gently, if possible ... if possible. Their souls went back to the Yasukuni Shrine, but the body is still there. In Japan, it is something like a grave. The reason for war Whatever, ancestors gave us laid the foundation of Japan's now struggle enough. Now, Japan has become to other countries and friends trusted country in peace is to show they will, I think the influence that the United States gave me admitted. Sister ship Yamato also quietly sleeping in the sea. Whether, please give this remains Nemurase. Locate me, really thank you! ! thank you! ! I am sure that the souls of the dead are back at the Yasukuni Shrine and rest peaceably now. No one will disrupt this war grave.
Stephen! My dad was Lt John W Ramsey with VF-11 also on the Hornet CV-12 during this time! He mentions CV-12 being called back by Adm. William Halsey on October 24th. Dad mentions they took off on the 25th for support to Taffy 3 (365 miles away) and continued attacks on the 26th (specifically mentioning BBs, CVs, CLs, and DDs they were attacking). What was your dad's first name, was it Ed?
Absolutely loved this! Great job fellas! Best part was 99.9% of the video is what we wanted. Too many of these types of things focus on the people looking for the ship. "Hi look at my face while I talk about the thing we have video footage of but nah just look at my face!" Can't stand that.
So eerie and still, don't know what freaks me out more. The dead ship laying down like a giant sleeping metal dragon or its because I'm looking at a mass grave yard.
Just because the japanese decided to use the small 6.1" guns on a cruiser doesn't mean that many destroyers didn't have 5" - 6" guns. I would refer to a 6" gun as a destroyer gun as well, it's tiny.
As was generally the case with most navies, the Musashi was crewed by lots of young men, many of who were probably in their early teens at the time of Pearl Harbor. It's just sad in terms of the loss of youth and life in general. They had parents, wives, girlfriends etc. waiting for their return. And I think, no matter who you fought for, being entombed at the bottom of the sea in a giant iron coffin seems a very lonely way to die - especially if you're alive and can't get out - as was the case with the Arizona as well.
mrt57rn The tragedy is when political leaders make decisions that send young men to their death... In addition, you need to know the history leading up to the Pearl Harbor attack. Roosevelt was doing everything he could to provoke the Japanese leaving them feeling backed into a corner. It doesn't justify the attack on Pearl Harbor but the Roosevelt administration is far from blameless in the events that followed. It would be far better both in the past and today if the world's leaders were the ones sinking to the seabed rather than these young men.
Oh yeah, it was all the peace loving Japanese military being provoked into action. No doubt the ~200,000 civilians and captured soldiers of Nanking massacred by the Japanese in only six weeks during Dec-Jan '37-'38 would agree. They went so far as to cut open young children in order to be able to rape them, these peaceful individuals.
adding this today as a sad note the man who was co-founder of Microsoft and the leader of this research team lost his battle with cancer today October 15th 2018. He owned the Seattle Seahawks and the Portland Traiblazers and donated at least 2 billion dollars to various causes plus funded and pursued interests such as the search for this vessel for history's sake - - he changed the world in so many ways so I say RIP Paul Allen and my prayers go out to his family
Curious that both Yamato and Musashi sank pretty much in the same fashion. Both ships also had their forward magazines explode and their bows separated just behind the first main turret.
Paul Allen's Research vessel recently found the wreck of the destroyer USS Ward which was sunk by a kamikaze on December 7, 1944. The Ward was the first American ship to fire its guns on Dec. 7, 1941 when it sank a Japanese midget submarine trying to enter Pearl Harbor. Looking at a map of where they found the Ward, they are very close to Surigao Straight. So my guess is next they will try to find the wrecks of the battleships Fuso and Yamashiro which were sunk just coming out of the straight during the Battle of Leyte Gulf on Oct. 25, 1944. After they've finished looking for wrecks in the Philipines; and god knows there are a lot of them to look for around those islands, I hope they go to Midway Island and look for the 4 Japanese aircraft carriers sunk there. Some small bits of wreckage; an anti-aircraft gun platform distinctive to the Kaga, was found in the late 1990's but the entire ship eluded detection.
i was quite disappointed at the choice of starting point with the rov, its very hard not having prior knowledge of the ship to work out where u are most of the time as the lights are so weak down there i really struggled even with the commentary to work out what im looking at! a mix of real life photos or AI at regular intervals would reaklly have helped get my bearings, just a thought as i still really enjoyed the footage. thanks guys (and girls im sure :) )
I really wish that they would have brought along a naval Historian, as Musashi's secondary 6.1" armament was akin to a Light Cruiser's and not a Destroyer (4.7" to 5" max) as he says at the 46 minute mark.
Musashi the sister ship of the Yamamoto both of them were at Layte Gulf and both took damage. Musashi would go down here as you can see as she sank her magazines blew up and sailors could see the mushroom cloud miles away. The same fait awaited Yamamoto at Okinawa when USS Essex finished her off.
On their account, our grandfather family then were hiding at the mountainous part of Tablas island (more or less 40 kilometers from the warship Mushashi wreckage and one of the islands of Romblon province),when they saw squadrons of bombers(fighter plane) from the northern part of Romblon.Little did they know that it was Mushashi's last stand.(Later we learned that San Jose Occ.Mindoro(northwest of Sibuyan,Romblon) became a temporary Headquarters of advancing US troops. Glad to know about a little history in my locality. Our province,Romblon is annually commemorating that event called the "BATTLE OF SIBUYAN SEA"
Hmmm. I read that Amatsukaze was the fastest destroyer in the Japanese navy. She hit 42 knots during her acceptance trials if the book I read is correct.
I believe she went down 30 NOV 1944 about 60-62 miles ESE of Wakayama's Kii Oshima, aka Cape Shionomisaki according to the TROM history. Her goal was to make it to the Inland Sea and she was hit by 4 torpedoes 108 miles south of Omaezaki lighthouse and continued toward the Inland Sea for another 36 miles before losing power and being towed toward Cape Ushio trying to beach her. Two destroyers were not getting the job done and they had to abandon her and then she only lasted another couple hours. Cause of death; lack of trained crew and unfinished water tight passages.
#422 Thank You Mr. Paul Allen for a fine forensic survey of IMS Musashi! Maybe a model of this ship can be built on dry land to actual size, but without the expensive steel. I'm thinking wood construction, to give the appearance of this great ship.
Torpedoes explode on contact,and the force of the explosion forces the hull plating inboard.If the hull plating is protruding outboard?it is caused by an internal explosion from a bomb detonation or a magazine explosion.I would like to put an end to this inaccuracy:A flimsy torpedo traveling at 50 mph cannot and never has punched through the hull of a battleship and then exploded inside.
doccyclopz Maybe a car is a bit too blunt. imagine a rounded hull of steel ramming the steel at high velocity. Do remember that the bow of the ship isnt armoured. The torpedo belt is in the middle of the ship, around the citadel
I was wrong to bring up the armour thickness but how thick is the skin of a torpedo? The Titanic's hull plating below the waterline was 2.54cm and I would hazard a guess that Musashi's would have been thicker?
+doccyclopz not sure. the torpedo Hit the bow, which has WAYY less armour than the mid. the middle is where the torpedo belt is. best guess around 4-5 cm of armour in the bow.
But enough to make a difference. With experiments they found that the early prox torpedoes pretty much needed a 90-deg impact angle same as piston ign impact torpedoes.
One thing you cant see from the vidoe here, its the sheer size of the ship, it pains me to see sutch a marvel of enegeniring at the bottom of the sea, it would be a glourious museum if she were to survive.
Oh that makes me wonder about my Dad, who served in the Navy for WWII. He's not alive today, He was in the Navy; most of his stories were about how he had to serve on the Beaches of Normandy...and he described it as horrific. Bodies hanging from trees, children and women floating dead in the sea shore...it was awful, more terrible than we can imagine. Dad came back with PTSD, and was also diagnosed as a Paranoid Schizophrenic....which he had to deal with for the rest of his life...Dad was a true patriot, and I miss him dearly...now, I'm almost as old as he when he passed...I hope to see him again, when I too, cross over. What WWII did to him, marred him for life, and back then there was really no help for mental illness, but somehow he did prevail at times. He hated that war. He signed up to go ashore in Normandy, for extra pay...and that's where he witnessed so many atrocities against humanity, men, women, children....it marred his mind forever... He never got over it. How could he? I guess this is whats happening to some of our best soldiers today. May God Bless Them and their families. And all the families of W War II, heroes. And God Bless America! Let's make sure Trump Leaves, as he is the Ultimate disgrace to all of America (except for the Wealthy 1%)....Hold him accountable for his crimes and misdemeanors!!! Trump is a fraud, and must pay for his treason.. America will be much better when we have honest people in our White House! Don't give up hope. God Bless you all! Especially our Veterans, and all of our troops!
The propeller damage is more likely from bomb damage to engines being jarred off mounts, causing the shafts to be out of balance. That or bomb damage due to shrapnel or near miss damage to propeller causing it to go out of balance. Either one of these would explain the markings on the shaft as it was pulled out and bent by its own movement. This bending of shafts can be caused by hard collisions with bottom as the commentator says, but it does not explain the broken propeller or marking on the shaft.
The auxiliary rudder was installed after the loss of the KM Bismarck due to rudder damage .... Also the golden chrysanthemum was installed on their large aircraft carriers also, not just their BB's ....
She wasn't the only one that had 18 inch guns. On the east side of the Golden State Bridge on the right side, there was an army base Fortified, which is now a park, but as you drove up to the top, there was a huge bunker. facing back on the road, on the right side of that bunker were two 18 inch guns and further left of that, were 3 missile silo's. Its all gone now, Friends and i took battle lanterns off of our ship and went there to investigate. we found a way in and opened the doors and drove his vw bug inside. we went down as far as the 3rd floor. it had ammo lockers for all types of guns including the 18 inches. This park was for guarding the San Francisco Bay from Japan and Germany.
@@jackdbur what i seen and been at they were 18" guns there.. They blew up this bunker and filled it in so no one can dig that deep and get into . Its a shame they did that.
@thomaslowery359 There is a U.S. 457mm 48 caliber gun on outdoor display at Dahlgren Naval Weapons Facility in Virginia. Even a placard with general information provided by the U.S. Navy.
01:30:00 I think we are looking at the aft 25mm triple AA between rear range finder and funnel. My Yamato model shows the area with sandbag protection and open. I believe this footage shows the same area but with an encased 25mm triple. 3dhistory.de/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/yamato-ten-ichi-go-01/Yamato-ten-ichi-go-Details03_026.jpg
We look at this footage and see pieces of history, reminders of a dark time in our history, but we must remember that we are looking at the home and place of work for hundreds of sailors, real people who were doing their duty.
I wish more people would film the entirety of wrecks and post them to the public without cuts. Unfortunately, some wrecks we get some clips of video and on some just a handful of pictures
it is too bad the ship is so destroyed as to be almost unrecognizable. I hope he goes and finds the japanese carriers at midway and the shinano off japan.
I know there was an expedition to Midway several years ago, but all they found was the Yorktown, which of course is absolutely fantastic, but its a shame they couldn't also locate any of the Japanese carriers
Bit late in the day to comment though I actually had the QTH of the Mushashi from Japan, from their survey back in early 2000, I had applied for a permit to perform Exploration & was in the process of setting up DP Vessel , never new that PA was around, when I asked the museum director after they made the find public, He said He had No knowledge that His ship was operating in the PI. I could have saved the venture a lot of time had I known, would have loved to seen His Octopus. expeditions
126:52 Its a triple 25mm AA mount. Everything is apparently a 15.5cm gun to him. Plus his comment about 6" guns being on destroyers. Was he actually a historian?
Daniel Hempel, all USN Heavy Cruisers have been armed with 8 in guns; the Light Cruisers of the USN all were armed with 6 in guns during WW2. Also all USN Dreadnought BB's since the Dreadnought design were armed with 5 in guns as secondary armaments, the sole exception is the South Carolina Class with 3 in guns as secondary armament. The main armament of the USN BB's since the Dreadnought design were 12, 14 and 16 in guns depending on their ship class.
One of the most shocking moments for me are the shots of the upper superstructure, mainly the bridge structure as it’s so recognisable. Only other moment I felt the same way was with the footage of the upper shots of the bridge of the Chokai- I believe that wreck surveyed by the petrel as well
Why did they both need too sink though....they could atract so much tourists too Japan just for this masterwork of masterbuilders.....damn americans from back in 1943 sinking Musashi in 1943 (they say 1944 wich is false) Good for these peeps too know:it took 7 torps ans 13 bombs too sink her
Buruki Kerman actually she sank in 1944 during the battle of the Sibuyan sea aka the previous day of the Leyte gulf And she endured more than 12 torps and 15 bombs plus near misses If I remember correctly, it was as much as 8 torpedos confirmed I will check and edit this comment ASAP
The fate of these ships was sealed anyway. Had they survived, they would end up just like Nagato, sunk during tests of nuclear bombs. At least they had chance to fight and sink during combat, may their crew rest in peace.
The scattered wreckage of the middle of the ship with a lot of the superstructure intact, plus the separate bow and stern sections, seems very similar to the wreck of H.M.S. Hood. Fore and aft magazine explosions might explain why two main turrets were not located quickly. Could something as solid as a main turret be shredded beyond recognition by such an explosion? Or is it more likely they were blasted beyond the debris field (like Hood's conning tower)?
The devastation seen on this wreck is so graphic . Its sad to see what was once a proud mighty killing machine built for purpose . All that design, cost, functionality, the man hours gone into creating this beast now reduced to this mass of twisted remains now littering the sea bed . Not to mention the lost souls of battle . Truely evocotive and emotional . Thank you to the owners and crew of Octopus for bringing us these images . We need more films like this from other wrecks . So often i see a 5 minute film that dose not show enough . A great film n what a super looking vessel to work on
The Musashi (all 72,000 tons of her), sister ship of the Yamato, two of the biggest Battleships ever built both with MaHooSive 18in guns. They just became two of the BiGGesT targets in the Pacific and the US Navy went after them 10 to the dozen and the inevitable conclusion was that they both were sunk...after exploding in damn near nuclear-sized explosions! Each BB took down several thousand crewmen with them.
It would be great if somebody was able to locate Shinano, the last of the three Yamato Class ships. Converted to an aircraft carrier and sunk by the submarine Archerfish. Shinano was being moved to a IJN Naval Base in the Inland Sea when Archerfish stumbled upon her by accident. For quite some time there were people in the U.S. Command who did not believe that Archerfish had actually torpedoed an aircraft carrier. The IJN had so few left and we knew where they all were. Shinano had been built in complete secrecy to prevent the U.S. from mounting a special bombing mission to destroy her before she could be completed. Almost all the documentation on Shinano was destroyed by the Japanese prior to U.S. Occupation. Survivors from her crew were kept segregated on a small island to keep the construction, and subsequent loss of Shinano a secret. A number of Shinano's survivors were transferred to duty aboard Yamato since so much of the machinery was identical. There are only a couple of known photographs of Shinano, so finding her wreck would undoubtedly provide a treasure trove of information on the ship, and her conversion to a massive aircraft carrier.
Depending on how much damage she suffered to
Thank you very much for finding Musashi.
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I would like to see a diorama of the wreck like they did with the Yamato.
It’s in a very similar state to her sister ship, i believe her stern came off whilst she was deceasing it’s not far behind the bow too.
I am glad they found this, it is always good to remember history. 1000 men died on this ship when it went down. I am hopeful that this is considered when discussions of the sights future come up. It is important to remember history, but it is imperative to remember and respect the lives lost here. As to Musashi herself: I am of the opinion modifications were done to Musashi when it was decided it would become the new flagship. In my opinion, Musashi had armor protections etc. greater than Yamato, and likely greater than anyone has guessed so far. The amount of punishment the ship withstood is simply astounding! It is also a possibility that ways to improve the design were discovered while building Yamato and applied to the second ship Musashi. The missing turrets will likely be very hard to find. If Musashi suffered a magazine explosion like most of the Japan Battleships, the turrets could be blown quite a ways from where Musashi now rests. The yamato class turrets also were simply in the barbettes by gravity- when the ships roll over, the turrets simply eject out. Anyway, Musashi is certainly a fascinating ship, and I am glad its resting place has been discovered and documented.
+davenhla Indeed! The amount of punishment both Yamato class ships endured was insane...especially when you compared to other Battleships. Example, when Force Z when Prince of Wales and Repulse were sunk they were only hit by 8 torpedos and a few bombs. That speak volumes of the endurance of the Yamato class ships. Just imagine how tough they would of been to sink by gunfire...you know doing what they were designed to do..fighting other BB's and not aircraft. Its a crazy thought IMHO.
Any battleships all turrets are lowered unto the deck with little modifications
Fuck those sailors, the Imperial Japanese navy committed many war crimes.
sunk in battle so she should be considered a war grave therefore off limits
Wrong, they were identical in all respects excepting for fleet/flagship accomodations and AAA ....
hopefully they'll add some kind of security to this wreck. the pacific is plagued by illegal salvagers primarily from mainland china and philipines, desecrating these tombs and destroying such historical wrecks.
Didnt know my country (Philippines) has capability kf salvaging a ww2 wreckage. This is really the first time i read about it
@@yourgaddamnright everyone has a capabality to that if you had the will to do it
how can you that Philippines would do that maybe other countries would do that because they have interest.
@@user-be9in9lu1u false. It depends on how deep the wrecks are.
I don't really care.
These people beheaded, tortured, and enslaved allied POWs on a whim and pressed their own women into sexual slavery. On top of that, they still lie about it all to their own people to this day.
They could make this thing into dog food cans and I could care less.
Thank you for finding Musashi. Thank you from Japan!
I thank you for posting and showing us some true history. Enemy ship or not, she was beautiful. I'm a big Navy history and great lakes history nut. Thank you again. To her sailors that went with her, R.I.P.
To our sailors lost during that time, thank you for your service,
Far Winds and Following Seas.
@OIFVET2003 Good luck with that. World peace is a pipedream.
When I was a young man I looked at war like a sport. "nice shot!" Now that I am older, I think about all the tears that have been shed over the next 75 years from that one day. Tears from parents and brothers and sisters. How many tears fall from two countries from just one day of war? Then think about how many years WW2 lasted.....How many tears?
Tears are a whole lot better than silence. Japan's defeat by young men who also largely started out thinking as you did means that today Japanese young men and American and Indian and Filipino and Commonwealth & Chinese & Russian and... young men can literally play war as sport together. If Nation's across the world hadn't allied, knowing full well there'd be tears, instead a national culture that saw the deaths of millions of civilians & soldiers alike foreign and domestic as just grist to the mill might yet survive in control of Japan. War is not the worst thing that can happen. Musashi was built with the explicit goal of killing the Americans who traded with it's builders, it's sinking is in no way sad or regretful, it's building was.
@@giupiete6536 very well said.
Yes all the tears from Pearl Harbor
~ Greg Roberts
One to many
At 1:31:00 forward looking at the guns, ports, and entry hatch, I believe that's the aft part of the ship (rear superstructure) The guns in the video are possibly triple barrel 25 mm AA (a very effective and deadly round).
All totaled I think there were twelve (12) triple-barrel 25 mm mounts (turrets) whose rounds were directed (aimed) by the single manned local fire control structure we see in the video.
At 1:32:05 I see the rangefinder which is in remarkable condition because it contains a lot of brass and other metals not subject to corrosion. Note the quality condition on the bearing ring where the compass degrees are still visible. Also see the Navy ID plate still in good condition.
Looking closely I can see what looks to be a electrical trigger, which would be the correct technology of the time, local fire control meant that the person looking through the rangefinder decided when to fire. The binoculars/mount would be connected to each gun mount (turrets) and the triggers for each gun. When "FIRE!" was pressed, all guns connected to the trigger and switched to "on" would fire at the target.
Sometimes the spotter (a separate man) would not only point out targets, but he would also have a bank of switches where he could control which guns would fire (port, rear, or starboard side). Other setups would have a gunfire control for each side of the ship, and yet other ships would have all guns controlled by a central gunfire control center (that could be switched to manual mode at each station when necessary).
P.S. As the authors stated, the Musashi had various gun configurations, in 1942 and 1944.
Its hard to watch. Seeing pictures of Musashi and Yamato before when they were alive and looking at how torn up and destroyed they are now. To the untrained eye they would just look like hunks of junk metal that fell overboard during a storm. But when you see all the photos, know how many men got on her and how many returned, its hard to look at. You see the sea life covering up the extreme burn marks, the metal showing their scars of explosions, the bride where the commanders fought and the guns that whistled their ammo through the air to their target. To see all that technology, money, and human life be used for war and seeing the remains of what was and KNOWING that inside her bulkheads, inside her remains, are the remains of her crew as they went with her to the bottom. Its hard. You're not just looking at a battleship...You're looking at a mass grave.
+Alexis Hood any crew remains have long since been eaten by sea life, sorry to say :(
+sanatatic Not necessarily. Inside the sunken vessels in Truck Lagoon you can still find the remains of Japanese sailors who were killed.
Truck lagoon? Is that where the Americans park their big rigs?
F the americans back in 1943 and 1945 for sinking the 2 mightiest and biggest battleships
That's why war is a bad thing. Nothing but killing
Musashi... You, just like Miyamoto Musashi... "You've kept us waiting" for years to meet you again.
Now the "last sister" of the Yamato Class left to find is Shinano.
Diego Vinicio Mejía Quesada this is the first time ive heard about a third ship! I havnt seen any pictures either.
The Shinano was only photographed twice on 1 November 1944, by a Boeing B -29 Superfortress reconnaissance from an altitude of 9,800 meters (32,000 ft), and ten days later, by a civilian photographer aboard a harbor tug during Shinano's initial sea trials in Tokyo Bay and like her half sisters Yamato and Musashi she was built in extreme secrecy
Shinano was the biggest ship of the yamato class, and the biggest ship of her time, she was surpass, by the USS Forestal.
I dont understand why historians they do not give it a matter.
@shirugake nitendo nitendo: History is written by Victors... and that's why Shinano was "sentenced" to be forgot... for many years.
Probably also because Shinano never saw combat. If I'm not mistaken she was sunk by torpedoes while on it's way to be fitted out with her equipment. The fact that conversion into a carrier was rushed ment that a lot of corners were cut in the waterproof compartments. She sank only after 4 torps. Yamato and Musashi could take a lot more beating.
And don't forget a 4th Yamato class Battleship was originally planned, though only a third was completed before scrapped.
This is a truly remarkable video of an amazing expedition to find this ship funded by a man who had devoted immense resources to this and other lost vessels of war, yet despite this the comments section is infected with people abusing one another!
Unfortunately, social media is frequently anything but social!
I started to research ships because of her and her sisters, Musashi sank a few days short of the day of my birth 43 years later. Seeing this now, the damage she took and what looks like a final blow from her magazine igniting as she sank is phenomenal as is just finding her. Well done and I hope you find the last of these massive ships.
its extremely interesting to see these kinds of dives on wrecks , and it was most heartening to see the entire crew pay homage to the deceased at the end , very moving
Thank you for the video! Most rov videos are short clips, this was wonderful to see a full uncut tour around the entire ship!
Mr. Allen did some marvelous things with his vast wealth. This is one shining example of it.
Honoring the dead shows true class. Even with Sailors of an enemy country, they are still Sailors.
@r c seems too much of the jingoistic propaganda of Roosevelt survives to this day. Did your family buy too many war bonds? You are very incorrect about Japan's goals for the war. And if you knew anything about the Bushido Code at all, you would know that cowardly is NOT a word that applies. SAD
Yes and too bad Mr. Allen is no longer with us, but this was not his first exploration dive on old warships. RIP Paul
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The Yamato-class were beyond belief; the 3rd ship, Shinano, was converted into the world's largest aircraft carrier.
Of course the Shinano was so impressive as a “super carrier” it was sunk on it first mission.
@@nofrackingzone7479 you got to take into consideration she had a different set of problems that the other yamato class didn't and if I recall her torpedo armor wasn't complete when she was on her way to receive her aircraft
Nice video, the Imperial Japanese Navy sure sailed beautiful warships, heavy cruisers among my favorites.
Thank you Paul Allen for what you have given us and the legacy that you have left.
Outside of this fellow David, wherever he comes from; being rather annoying and “never being wrong,” the video was amazing.
I might like to point out to David that Musashi was not the single largest ship present in the Sibuyan Sea on October 24, 1944. Her sister Yamato was also present and took two bomb hits. The Helldiver and Avenger pilots did not make a mistake, as he says, by concentrating on the Musashi. This would have been the accepted plan of follow-up attack. They had her burning and they needed to put at least one of these two behemoths down, which they did. This would have been correct in keeping with the execution of the order of battle: make sure of one. An attack pilot takes out the most important target that effects the immediate situation. He is not determining whether Willis Lee’s BB’s are still in place to protect 7th Fleet or have been detached under Task Force 34 by Halsey. He needs to put down the biggest capital ships if carriers are not present. This was not a strategic game in the comfort of one’s den. Taffy III prevented any mistakes that may have occurred due to Ozawa’s decoy in what is arguably the most incredible battle in all of naval warfare, or the Battle off Samar. It was correct that they ‘piled on’ and it was far from ‘sad’ as David says. I know one of the survivors of the Gambier Bay and he remembers all too well how each large caliber naval rifle hit on the CVE rocked his ship the next day; you tell him it was sad that this BB was removed from further combat. There are still some of us out here who lost immediate family in the PTO and in many cases to extreme brutally after capture. Thank God it finally ended before August 22 1945, when all Allied prisoners were slated to be done away with and before Operation Olympic could be executed in November.
Also, comparing US BB’s, say of Iowa class, to Yamato Class, the Japanese started the Yamato Class in contravention of the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922 and then dropped out of the treaty altogether. The US adhered to the treaty, along with the other Allies, and also had to build BB’s that could transit the Panama Canal. The beam of US capital ships were governed by the width of the canal’s locks.
It would be interesting to one day see a survey of Shinano; she’s as deep as Titanic. I would venture to say that she is sitting upright on the bottom with four distinct and visible torpedo holes along her starboard side.
I'm glad I am not the only one annoyed by that guy. Took up a lot of time to verbally slowly convince himself that his seat of the pants conclusion was in error. Probably blew his mind.
so much for scholarship and accuracy hu. Propaganda rah rah rah sis boom bah crap. We'd just as soon know the truth, which is the first casualty in war eh? Gambier Bay was hit by cruiser shells, not 18.1" shells from main batteries of Yamato or Musashi. This is from many eye witnesses on both sides. Japan was discriminated against in both Washington and London conferences with the ratios, and first violated them with cruisers, not battleships. These weren't started until 1938 / 1939.
That v-shaped object at 2:11:00 is the guts of a Kanpon three-drum boiler. Musashi had a dozen of them to drive the four steam turbines.
I can surely guarantee that no boilerman made it off the ship, as a tin can sailor in the after fireroom we had specific duties to perform rigging boilers for destruction prior to sinking or possible capture and that included gagging all safety valves, loading the burners with extra large orifice plates, lighting off all fuel oil pumps, and opening sea cocks to the ocean- that all takes time and given the drive of a typical IJN sailor, likely they all died trying to do just that once the order was given to self destruct.
@@BeachsideHank The vast majority of Musashi's crew made it off. She took hours to sink. Reading the US account of her sinking makes it sound like we (USA) couldn't believe she was still floating. Next wave would come in expecting Musashi to be gone only to find that not only was she still afloat, she was still making headway at decent speed.
Musashi probably took more to kill than any other ship, ever.
@@Neneset Sounds agreeable to me, thanks for the update.
Arizsun Ahola that and the Bismarck.
Heavily debated to this day if it was scuttled or destroyed. The hull of the ship is still in fantastic condition.
@@jacobnewcombe5367 Bismark was scuttled by her crew, even though she was sinking anyway. They wanted to ensure Bismark would not be captured.
It would have been absolutely amazing to watch the construction that went on during the war effort all over the world. The rate at which these ships, submarines, fortresses etc were build was absolutely amazing.
Most of its metal mined by Chinese and Korean slave labour..
It brings me to tears knowing such a mighty and powerful ship lies at the cold dark bottom of the ocean. She was truly a sight for sore eyes.
Old Scratch Gaming you could actually dive it in Romblon, Philippines with proper dive guides.
My dad was part of the attack that sank her flying a F6F Hellcat . He lost more then one friend. He'd tell you war is hell and people die. Better to kill then be killed.
Yamato is higher then a 17 stori building
@@Tom65478No shit.
見つけてくれてありがとうございます！出来れば・・・出来ればそっと眠らせてやって下さい。彼らの魂は靖国神社へ帰りましたが、体はまだそこにあります。日本ではお墓みたいなものです。戦争の理由はどうであれ、先祖は十分に闘い今の日本の基礎をつくってくれました。今、日本が平和で他の国と仲良く信頼される国になってるのは彼らが意志を見せ、アメリカが認めてくれた影響だと思います。姉妹艦 大和も静かに海の中で眠っています。どうか、このまま眠らせてあげて下さい。見つけてくれて、本当にありがとう！！感謝します！！
+田原サツキ Translation of the above Thank you for finding me! Please doing Nemurase gently, if possible ... if possible. Their souls went back to the Yasukuni Shrine, but the body is still there. In Japan, it is something like a grave. The reason for war Whatever, ancestors gave us laid the foundation of Japan's now struggle enough. Now, Japan has become to other countries and friends trusted country in peace is to show they will, I think the influence that the United States gave me admitted. Sister ship Yamato also quietly sleeping in the sea. Whether, please give this remains Nemurase. Locate me, really thank you! ! thank you! !
I am sure that the souls of the dead are back at the Yasukuni Shrine and rest peaceably now. No one will disrupt this war grave.
The plane my dad was in helped send Musashi to her doom. VT-11 off the USS Hornet CV-12.
Good Work.
stephen wilson And the Hornet is in the Bottom of the Ocean too.
@@bluemarshall6180 The first one, yes, the Second Hornet was an Essex class carrier and is currently a museum ship.
Your dad was a BRAVE man, we are very thankful for him!
Stephen! My dad was Lt John W Ramsey with VF-11 also on the Hornet CV-12 during this time! He mentions CV-12 being called back by Adm. William Halsey on October 24th. Dad mentions they took off on the 25th for support to Taffy 3 (365 miles away) and continued attacks on the 26th (specifically mentioning BBs, CVs, CLs, and DDs they were attacking). What was your dad's first name, was it Ed?
My Uncle was in command of LSI(G) 559, in the same area that battle took place. This was a very intense battle at sea and on land.
Absolutely loved this! Great job fellas! Best part was 99.9% of the video is what we wanted. Too many of these types of things focus on the people looking for the ship. "Hi look at my face while I talk about the thing we have video footage of but nah just look at my face!" Can't stand that.
I agree 💯👍
You can see this ship come to life on world of warships, they did a great job on the graphics of this ship.
Watching an expedition put on by Paul Allen with the crew using MacBook's is almost as entertaining as the expedition itself.
So eerie and still, don't know what freaks me out more. The dead ship laying down like a giant sleeping metal dragon or its because I'm looking at a mass grave yard.
This is almost sad to see....a grand ship at the bottom of the ocean.
lmao
Still, it's a shame this ship didn't sink in at least decent condition.
Yeah, that was really rude of her. Do you know where MUSAHI was going and what she intended to do?
Fritz Steiner The last ditch effort to rid of American forces in Leyte?
Press [F] to pay respects.
Anakin Skyobiliviator not really.
USS Indianapolis o rlly
46:11 Not on a destroyer. These guns were designed for the Mogami-class light cruisers.
Just because the japanese decided to use the small 6.1" guns on a cruiser doesn't mean that many destroyers didn't have 5" - 6" guns. I would refer to a 6" gun as a destroyer gun as well, it's tiny.
The surviving 94 yo crewmember visited the wreck , must have been surreal among Americans, 71 years later
Impressive ship taking all that punishment, they may have been lost but damn they made impressive ships.
Sad to think of all those sailors entombed in there. Must have been a horrible death going down trapped in the bowels of the ship.
You do realize both can be sad right?
As was generally the case with most navies, the Musashi was crewed by lots of young men, many of who were probably in their early teens at the time of Pearl Harbor. It's just sad in terms of the loss of youth and life in general. They had parents, wives, girlfriends etc. waiting for their return. And I think, no matter who you fought for, being entombed at the bottom of the sea in a giant iron coffin seems a very lonely way to die - especially if you're alive and can't get out - as was the case with the Arizona as well.
mrt57rn
The tragedy is when political leaders make decisions that send young men to their death...
In addition, you need to know the history leading up to the Pearl Harbor attack.
Roosevelt was doing everything he could to provoke the Japanese leaving them feeling backed into a corner.
It doesn't justify the attack on Pearl Harbor but the Roosevelt administration is far from blameless in the events that followed.
It would be far better both in the past and today if the world's leaders were the ones sinking to the seabed rather than these young men.
Yamato had a crew of 3100 men when she went down only 100 survived her sinking 3000 men were lost
Oh yeah, it was all the peace loving Japanese military being provoked into action. No doubt the ~200,000 civilians and captured soldiers of Nanking massacred by the Japanese in only six weeks during Dec-Jan '37-'38 would agree. They went so far as to cut open young children in order to be able to rape them, these peaceful individuals.
adding this today as a sad note the man who was co-founder of Microsoft and the leader of this research team lost his battle with cancer today October 15th 2018. He owned the Seattle Seahawks and the Portland Traiblazers and donated at least 2 billion dollars to various causes plus funded and pursued interests such as the search for this vessel for history's sake - - he changed the world in so many ways so I say RIP Paul Allen and my prayers go out to his family
1000 years from now, this will still be there
Curious that both Yamato and Musashi sank pretty much in the same fashion. Both ships also had their forward magazines explode and their bows separated just behind the first main turret.
All Battleships , carriers and cruisers had the Chrysanthemum at the bow...not just the 3 big ships.
Just the capital ships!
Cruisers did not. Only Battleships and Carriers.
@@jacobw446 wym? All cruisers had them
Paul Allen's Research vessel recently found the wreck of the destroyer USS Ward which was sunk by a kamikaze on December 7, 1944. The Ward was the first American ship to fire its guns on Dec. 7, 1941 when it sank a Japanese midget submarine trying to enter Pearl Harbor. Looking at a map of where they found the Ward, they are very close to Surigao Straight. So my guess is next they will try to find the wrecks of the battleships Fuso and Yamashiro which were sunk just coming out of the straight during the Battle of Leyte Gulf on Oct. 25, 1944.
After they've finished looking for wrecks in the Philipines; and god knows there are a lot of them to look for around those islands, I hope they go to Midway Island and look for the 4 Japanese aircraft carriers sunk there. Some small bits of wreckage; an anti-aircraft gun platform distinctive to the Kaga, was found in the late 1990's but the entire ship eluded detection.
Bloody great no music can hear every word the way all videos should be ,thanks sound recordist
i was quite disappointed at the choice of starting point with the rov, its very hard not having prior knowledge of the ship to work out where u are most of the time as the lights are so weak down there i really struggled even with the commentary to work out what im looking at! a mix of real life photos or AI at regular intervals would reaklly have helped get my bearings, just a thought as i still really enjoyed the footage. thanks guys (and girls im sure :) )
I really wish that they would have brought along a naval Historian, as Musashi's secondary 6.1" armament was akin to a Light Cruiser's and not a Destroyer (4.7" to 5" max) as he says at the 46 minute mark.
doccyclopz they should have tsken a Musashi survivor with em so they always got corrected on their falso lines these say
He also misidentified a triple 25mm gun for a dual 127mm gun, and said that a 25 mm mount was where a 13.2 mm Mount was.
Thank You for this video.And thank you also to commenters for respectful,insiteful and educational input .
Brilliant thank you for giving us this insight into this amazing story of the moments of this shipwreck from the second world war.
I wish an expedition would find the USS Lexington sunk at the Coral Sea in 1942.
It's been found.
arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/03/paul-allens-rv-petrel-finds-sunken-uss-lexington-2-miles-down-in-coral-sea/
USS Hornet has been found a few days ago
Also they have found the destroyer USS Strong
Musashi the sister ship of the Yamamoto both of them were at Layte Gulf and both took damage. Musashi would go down here as you can see as she sank her magazines blew up and sailors could see the mushroom cloud miles away. The same fait awaited Yamamoto at Okinawa when USS Essex finished her off.
My love battleship Musashi . Thank you for your video .
Soup Kai they sayt mostly false thongs about the attack
It would be great had you posted up pics of the ship before destruction so we can have a reference
@Jesus H Christ I can't. It goes against my beliefs :P
On their account, our grandfather family then were hiding at the mountainous part of Tablas island (more or less 40 kilometers from the warship Mushashi wreckage and one of the islands of Romblon province),when they saw squadrons of bombers(fighter plane) from the northern part of Romblon.Little did they know that it was Mushashi's last stand.(Later we learned that San Jose Occ.Mindoro(northwest of Sibuyan,Romblon) became a temporary Headquarters of advancing US troops.
Glad to know about a little history in my locality.
Our province,Romblon is annually commemorating that event called the "BATTLE OF SIBUYAN SEA"
His team found IJN Shimakaze. The fastest destroyer.
Hmmm. I read that Amatsukaze was the fastest destroyer in the Japanese navy. She hit 42 knots during her acceptance trials if the book I read is correct.
Also my favorite ww2 destroyer
I just hope that Mr. Allen looks for the Shinano next.
Douglass Whipple he just needs too look in her harbour where she was sunk
Well I think it got pretty close to the mouth of the harbor. The captain is said to have left the engines moving after the torpedoes struck.
He passed away recently
@@snakes3425 RIP PAUL ALLEN
I believe she went down 30 NOV 1944 about 60-62 miles ESE of Wakayama's Kii Oshima, aka Cape Shionomisaki according to the TROM history. Her goal was to make it to the Inland Sea and she was hit by 4 torpedoes 108 miles south of Omaezaki lighthouse and continued toward the Inland Sea for another 36 miles before losing power and being towed toward Cape Ushio trying to beach her. Two destroyers were not getting the job done and they had to abandon her and then she only lasted another couple hours. Cause of death; lack of trained crew and unfinished water tight passages.
All the hard work and perseverance put onto is now lying at the bottom of the ocean
Thanks for elaborating to us all what a (near miss) is.
I don't know what we would do without your great wisdom!
We would be lost without you!
#422 Thank You Mr. Paul Allen for a fine forensic survey of IMS Musashi! Maybe a model of this ship can be built on dry land to actual size, but without the expensive steel. I'm thinking wood construction, to give the appearance of this great ship.
paul allen left a legacy.... thank you paul,
His team found IJN Shimakaze. The fastest destroyer.
As I was told, Musashi was sister ship to Yamato and equipped with improved radar system. What a pity that such great battleships were all sank.
It’s a pity they weren’t sunken sooner
It's mind bending to imagine the hydro static effect of a miss is not a miss
At 1:16:54 there's an interestingly bright piece of what looks like brass - golden in color. What could that be?
Its amazing how some of the metals that make up the ship look brand new and most of the metal is all torn up and rusty.
Just think of the tonnage of explosive ordinance that was spent on both Yamato and Musashi... Staggering to even imagine.
Torpedoes explode on contact,and the force of the explosion forces the hull plating inboard.If the hull plating is protruding outboard?it is caused by an internal explosion from a bomb detonation or a magazine explosion.I would like to put an end to this inaccuracy:A flimsy torpedo traveling at 50 mph cannot and never has punched through the hull of a battleship and then exploded inside.
+doccyclopz An air pocket imploded as the Musashi sunk. Also, torpedoes penetrate the armour before exploding
doccyclopz Maybe a car is a bit too blunt. imagine a rounded hull of steel ramming the steel at high velocity. Do remember that the bow of the ship isnt armoured. The torpedo belt is in the middle of the ship, around the citadel
I was wrong to bring up the armour thickness but how thick is the skin of a torpedo?
The Titanic's hull plating below the waterline was 2.54cm and I would hazard a guess that Musashi's would have been thicker?
+doccyclopz not sure. the torpedo Hit the bow, which has WAYY less armour than the mid. the middle is where the torpedo belt is. best guess around 4-5 cm of armour in the bow.
But enough to make a difference.
With experiments they found that the early prox torpedoes pretty much needed a 90-deg impact angle same as piston ign impact torpedoes.
The fact the ocean is over 10,000 feet that is just amazing
Amazing. This battleship and the other one, Yamato, were unprecedented and unmatched, but 20 years out of date.
It would be very interesting if IJN used the resouorces to build aircraft carriers instead of Yamato ane Musashi.
There was a third Yamato class battleship being built but it was later changed to be an aircraft carrier the Shinano during construction
13 metres diameter where the main guns sat..that’s colossal..unbelievable
One thing you cant see from the vidoe here, its the sheer size of the ship, it pains me to see sutch a marvel of enegeniring at the bottom of the sea, it would be a glourious museum if she were to survive.
Oh that makes me wonder about my Dad, who served in the Navy for WWII. He's not alive today, He was in the Navy; most of his stories were about how he had to serve on the Beaches of Normandy...and he described it as horrific. Bodies hanging from trees, children and women floating dead in the sea shore...it was awful, more terrible than we can imagine. Dad came back with PTSD, and was also diagnosed as a Paranoid Schizophrenic....which he had to deal with for the rest of his life...Dad was a true patriot, and I miss him dearly...now, I'm almost as old as he when he passed...I hope to see him again, when I too, cross over. What WWII did to him, marred him for life, and back then there was really no help for mental illness, but somehow he did prevail at times. He hated that war. He signed up to go ashore in Normandy, for extra pay...and that's where he witnessed so many atrocities against humanity, men, women, children....it marred his mind forever... He never got over it. How could he? I guess this is whats happening to some of our best soldiers today. May God Bless Them and their families. And all the families of W War II, heroes. And God Bless America! Let's make sure Trump Leaves, as he is the Ultimate disgrace to all of America (except for the Wealthy 1%)....Hold him accountable for his crimes and misdemeanors!!! Trump is a fraud, and must pay for his treason.. America will be much better when we have honest people in our White House! Don't give up hope. God Bless you all! Especially our Veterans, and all of our troops!
I beleive the triple gun turret at 1:26 is a 25 mm too. Just a later design with better protection for the crew.
The propeller damage is more likely from bomb damage to engines being jarred off mounts, causing the shafts to be out of balance. That or bomb damage due to shrapnel or near miss damage to propeller causing it to go out of balance. Either one of these would explain the markings on the shaft as it was pulled out and bent by its own movement. This bending of shafts can be caused by hard collisions with bottom as the commentator says, but it does not explain the broken propeller or marking on the shaft.
Only question is will we find Shinano?
Wait how does the musashi wreck looks like
at 2:09 the type 95 FC gear at this position was considered to be of shielded type, but it obviously is a non shield type.Something new.
They need to raise this as is and put it on display as found.
Hitting the bottom might make the hull "shorter" than when it was new. That might be why the shaft sticks out.
The auxiliary rudder was installed after the loss of the KM Bismarck due to rudder damage .... Also the golden chrysanthemum was installed on their large aircraft carriers also, not just their BB's ....
She wasn't the only one that had 18 inch guns. On the east side of the Golden State Bridge on the right side, there was an army base Fortified, which is now a park, but as you drove up to the top, there was a huge bunker. facing back on the road, on the right side of that bunker were two 18 inch guns and further left of that, were 3 missile silo's. Its all gone now, Friends and i took battle lanterns off of our ship and went there to investigate. we found a way in and opened the doors and drove his vw bug inside. we went down as far as the 3rd floor. it had ammo lockers for all types of guns including the 18 inches. This park was for guarding the San Francisco Bay from Japan and Germany.
They were 16 inches same as the Iowa's
@@jackdbur what i seen and been at they were 18" guns there.. They blew up this bunker and filled it in so no one can dig that deep and get into . Its a shame they did that.
The insane battlecruiser Furious had one 18” gun.
We didn't develope nor did we install 18" guns .... You're completely wrong on this point ....
@thomaslowery359 There is a U.S. 457mm 48 caliber gun on outdoor display at Dahlgren Naval Weapons Facility in Virginia.
Even a placard with general information provided by the U.S. Navy.
01:30:00 I think we are looking at the aft 25mm triple AA between rear range finder and funnel. My Yamato model shows the area with sandbag protection and open. I believe this footage shows the same area but with an encased 25mm triple.
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I like it when you find things you can recognize on wrecks that are town apart
We look at this footage and see pieces of history, reminders of a dark time in our history, but we must remember that we are looking at the home and place of work for hundreds of sailors, real people who were doing their duty.
I wish more people would film the entirety of wrecks and post them to the public without cuts. Unfortunately, some wrecks we get some clips of video and on some just a handful of pictures
it is too bad the ship is so destroyed as to be almost unrecognizable. I hope he goes and finds the japanese carriers at midway and the shinano off japan.
I know there was an expedition to Midway several years ago, but all they found was the Yorktown, which of course is absolutely fantastic, but its a shame they couldn't also locate any of the Japanese carriers
that expedition also found a gun mount from IJN KAGA so they were very close but they had to go as they had used up all their time on the yorktown.
Per the autobiography of an IJN Captain who was at Midway, there might not be much of Kaga left to find.
The Imperial Seal of the IJN was not only on the three Yamato class battleships but all their cruisers and carriers
Fantastic! Thank you to all involved!
Bit late in the day to comment though I actually had the QTH of the Mushashi from Japan, from their survey back in early 2000, I had applied for a permit to perform Exploration & was in the process of setting up DP Vessel , never new that PA was around, when I asked the museum director after they made the find public, He said He had No knowledge that His ship was operating in the PI. I could have saved the venture a lot of time had I known, would have loved to seen His Octopus.
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126:52 Its a triple 25mm AA mount. Everything is apparently a 15.5cm gun to him. Plus his comment about 6" guns being on destroyers. Was he actually a historian?
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@49:50 the image looks like 3 dice 😊 4, 5, and 4!
46:04 A six inch gun is light cruiser caliber, not destroyer. In other words, even bigger.
They are probably thinking of the Zumwalt.
Yes, 6 Inch Guns Are Light Cruiser Caliber, But Not By Much.
James Edwards most US cruisers where using 8inch guns which is almost dreadnaught or battleship caliber
Daniel Hempel, all USN Heavy Cruisers have been armed with 8 in guns; the Light Cruisers of the USN all were armed with 6 in guns during WW2. Also all USN Dreadnought BB's since the Dreadnought design were armed with 5 in guns as secondary armaments, the sole exception is the South Carolina Class with 3 in guns as secondary armament. The main armament of the USN BB's since the Dreadnought design were 12, 14 and 16 in guns depending on their ship class.
I think that turret was the same model used on the Mogami class cruisers
its such a shame that such beautiful master peices of engeneering are not laying in a dock honored as a monument
it is more a shame if that thing survived the war, good thing it was stopped
It would have turned into razor blades or been a test ship at the bikini atoll atomic bomb test
12:23 "It would have been painted gold."
I read that it was covered in layers of gold leaf, not just paint.
I think you are right
So where the gold
Filipino here. I live a few kilometers far from where the wreck was located. Might plan on going there sometime.
It's over half a mile down, and 50 miles offshore. Good luck with that.
Fantastic......hope One Day to see Shinanno.
One of the most shocking moments for me are the shots of the upper superstructure, mainly the bridge structure as it’s so recognisable. Only other moment I felt the same way was with the footage of the upper shots of the bridge of the Chokai- I believe that wreck surveyed by the petrel as well
The 6.1 " guns were main armament on light cruisers not destroyers which usually had 5" main armament.
one of the kings, beside Yamato... too bad they were sunk... it would be a great feeling to tour the whole ship.. damn nerdgasm.
YAMATO, LAUNCH!
*Rusted debris falls over, Space Battleship Yamato rises*
Why did they both need too sink though....they could atract so much tourists too Japan just for this masterwork of masterbuilders.....damn americans from back in 1943 sinking Musashi in 1943 (they say 1944 wich is false)
Good for these peeps too know:it took 7 torps ans 13 bombs too sink her
Buruki Kerman actually she sank in 1944 during the battle of the Sibuyan sea aka the previous day of the Leyte gulf And she endured more than 12 torps and 15 bombs plus near misses If I remember correctly, it was as much as 8 torpedos confirmed I will check and edit this comment ASAP
The fate of these ships was sealed anyway. Had they survived, they would end up just like Nagato, sunk during tests of nuclear bombs. At least they had chance to fight and sink during combat, may their crew rest in peace.
Imagine if the Yamato and Musashi went 1 v 5ish, like the Bismarck.
Would be so epic, sad, and would have massive casualties.
the question could any of those main gun 18 .inch shells still go off and are the still live
The scattered wreckage of the middle of the ship with a lot of the superstructure intact, plus the separate bow and stern sections, seems very similar to the wreck of H.M.S. Hood. Fore and aft magazine explosions might explain why two main turrets were not located quickly. Could something as solid as a main turret be shredded beyond recognition by such an explosion? Or is it more likely they were blasted beyond the debris field (like Hood's conning tower)?
Or did Hood’s armoured conning tower sink straight down and the three hull remnants drift with the fast current as they sank?
2.05.33 the wing section you would not get a clearer photo if it was in the air 2 ft in front of you.
The devastation seen on this wreck is so graphic . Its sad to see what was once a proud mighty killing machine built for purpose . All that design, cost, functionality, the man hours gone into creating this beast now reduced to this mass of twisted remains now littering the sea bed . Not to mention the lost souls of battle . Truely evocotive and emotional . Thank you to the owners and crew of Octopus for bringing us these images . We need more films like this from other wrecks . So often i see a 5 minute film that dose not show enough . A great film n what a super looking vessel to work on
01:16:30: Shielded torpedo lookout below Admirals bridge.
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The Musashi (all 72,000 tons of her), sister ship of the Yamato, two of the biggest Battleships ever built both with MaHooSive 18in guns. They just became two of the BiGGesT targets in the Pacific and the US Navy went after them 10 to the dozen and the inevitable conclusion was that they both were sunk...after exploding in damn near nuclear-sized explosions! Each BB took down several thousand crewmen with them.