Ummm...I am blown away at the response to this vid. I make these as a means of observing and obsessing over all the mistakes I make. In an attempt to improve. I'm happy to see so much interest in this! Lol. And ftr I love Kenny! I love my bjj fam at Casarez and the bjj community at large! Everyone is always so positive and helpful. Everyone seems interested in building each other up and Kenny is no exception. OSS!!
You touched on something the consumers of martial arts media absolutely adore... match ups between specialists of different styles. It doesn't matter that it's sparring, it's rare to see for those of us who don't go and roll with y'all in the gyms.
One of the blue belts at my gym was a state champ wrestler in high school. When he was a white belt, I was a blue belt and he just threw me around like a rag doll. Cross pollination between the different grappling arts is a beautiful thing to see. Less so to experience :D
I agree. I love seeing wrestlers, judokas and bjj practicioners trying everything. I want to learn every grappling style I can and see what mixing is like. As a wrestler, I've learned some judo stuff modified for no gi. I like uchi Mata's (hope I'm spelling it right).
I've had this humbling experience as well. At my gym I was the one of better ones at my feet, even giving me an advantage against the higher belts if we start from our feet standing up. One of our classes was focused on takedowns, and in comes this new white belt. This was his 3rd time with us. He was a head shorter than me and a good 20 pounds lighter than me. While sparring on the ground he didn't even stand a chance, but as soon as we stood up I was his personal ragdoll. He swept, threw and swung me around like I was a trash bag. There was nothing I could do and I was completely dominated. After some talking after the class we discovered that the guy was a former competitive judoka, he wasn't even a black belt. This experience sure humbled me and made me realize that comparing belts is just stupid. The belt is nothing more than my own diary for my own journey, and comparing diaries just makes no sense.
I'm a lifelong boxer, the first time I rolled in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, the guy thought I was going to throw a punch because I was bouncing around like a boxer. That's all I knew! How funny.
Hopefully this doesn’t come across as assholery but as someone with ~15 years of Judo experience some advice: At 0:41 he has a high collar grip on you. This is kind of a universal signal in Judo that you’re about to get tossed. Typically, it means you’ve lost the grip fight. If you’re fast on your feet you may be able to duck under, but most people will try to get sleeve control to stop turn throw as and try to find an opportunity to break the grip and reset. Even so, it’s pretty hard to do, tbh. The other thing-although it didn’t really bite you here-is be careful of the hunched over wrestling stance. There is some received wisdom in BJJ circles these days that if you do this and attack the legs, it’s a surefire way to get Judo guys. And maybe for newer ones, but if they have a solid Tomoe Nage or Sumi Gaeshi, it’s basically is if you’ve set yourself up for the throw for free. Other than that, I’d just be careful of super dominant gripping positions. The high collar is probably the most common in the States, but occasionally you’ll find people who like to go deep as if grabbing at your belt over the back-if they get this it’s almost always a bad time. The armpit grip is also kind of in vogue right now due to a certain famous Japanese Judoka… while he’s a monster with it, I think in the hands of mere mortals it’s not as dangerous as a high collar or belt grip. It IS still a dominant grip though. I’d say last thing-although definitely kind of advanced-is always expect an attack to come in response to one of your own reactions. He throws you as you stand up, which gives him the space for his throw, but also takes advantage of your focus on resetting. This is kind of “Judo theory 101,” but in practice it takes awhile to really get a sense for. Just don’t expect the genuine throw attempt to come blazing out in the open. I notice a lot of BJJ guys will shoot sort of haphazardly, but Judo is really a lot more about gripping properly and then successive feints into the actual throw. Kinda went into grip fighting a lot here but I think it rarely gets overtly talked about-even in Judo. Which is a shame because understanding it really cues when you should be defense or offensive. Basically high grip=try to bail, neutral=fight to establish your own superior grips, high grip of your own=string a combo into your throw
This doesn't come across as being an asshole at all! In fact a lot of the advice you're giving is the same advice Kenny gave after the roll. He's a super chill dude and is looking to help his partners. Thank you for taking the time to lay this all out!
Not really. That’s not how throws work. You need the person off balance and you can’t just throw someone at will. The difference between a high level judo guy and someone who’s don’t judo for a couple years is timing
@@jabarimyles4213 hah exactly. I did judo for only a year and had to stop due to injury. You don’t need someone off balance. You make them off balance. Dopey comment.
This is why people should not pay attention to rank. It doesn’t mean as much as people think. No where is this more evident than ju jitsu. You have guys who wrestled 4 years in high school and then go on the wrestle in college walk into class because they want to start something new. Black belts have a hard time with these guys. You got 50-60 year old guys that just want something to do a couple days a week to stay in shape versus the 18 year old dynamo who is a natural, and athletic, a super strong. Rank means very little. You got people who come in and have 30 years of fight experience and multiple black belts who just want to start something new. Not all white belts are created equal.
I couldn't agree more! Not all white belts are equal, and not all black belts are equal. In my opinion rank is only a measurement of what you know, how well understand the general execution of those techniques. A 65 year old black belt is going to have trouble with a 25 year old blue belt with a wrestling background, doesn't make that black belt less, because he or she may have put the hours, time, and years in.
i think the point people are missing though is that rank does not and should not signify your overall ability to beat opponents. of course an athletic young wrestler can beat a very old black belt physically, but that doesn’t make his jiu jitsu better. he’s just stronger and more athletic
I haven't given a damn about any belt colors for years, because I've winn too many times against black belt wearers at tournaments, but you shouldn't compare a 60-year-old with an 18-year-old - the comparison is laggy, but it also depends on the individual case for me I've had some younger fighters under control too
I was once told by a blue belt that a black belt in judo would easily be beaten by a blue belt in BJJ. We were doing positional work, I was a white belt at the time, he couldn't get mount on me where as I mounted him several times. I never told him I was only a green belt in Judo.
Yeah as a green belt esp a competitive one from a solid school like Jason morris Colton brown or god help you - some of the international judo powerhouses you’ll be able to clear house in takedowns and have a decent chance on the ground due to athleticism. I’d argue most bjj black belts are at best competitive orange belt level when it comes to judo
The judoka is taking it easy. He is being very very gentle. He wouldn't hold a grip like that in competition for that long. He would have thrown as soon as he got that grip.
@@brianbassir6453 Yeah just yesterday we had one of our old judokas, a yodan, move back home from the Colorado US Oly training center. Most of the class was juniors and I'm injured. I'm seeing that USA team patch on his back so I looked at the greenbelt adult and said 'You better hope he is in a good mood.' Guys like that can give you a great lesson or they can teach you a lesson.
My background is a black belt in judo and I just started training BJJ last week. I have a huge advantage in the stand up game.I’ve just been starting from guard to try and get confortable on my back and improve that weakness in my game.
At my academy. My instructor teaches us Judo once a month and his son who's the kids instructor teaches them Judo once a week. My granddaughter was training for over 2 years and hip tossed multiple opponents. I loved it.
@@yurifrommw215 I don't think anyone is forgetting the self defense aspect. There are just many ways to be competent in defending yourself. If a person puts the time and effort into kickboxing, judo, BJJ, wrestling, boxing etc they will get better at defending themselves.
Competed in a small, in house tournament way back in their beginner division and a wrestler who was technically a white belt came in and swept his entire weight class and the absolute. Some folks were complaining that he should have entered in advanced.
Awesome to see the utter calmness and confidence on his feet. The control was beautiful and he obviously had no probs with getting to side or north south. Once he masters anacondas or darce or anything from that position it’s lights out for most. Cool vid guys, thx for sharing!
We have a wrestler in our gym, he was sub champ at one time at Nationals. He was a White belt only for a couple of months until coach gave him the blue belt directly. He clearly was above all of us White belts and could handle even some purple belts. I'm pretty sure the coach gave it to him because he wanted to compete in very near future and didnt seemed fair to have him smacking White belts hahaha.
It happens. Many local/regional grappling tournaments, like NAGA for example, wont even let you compete in white belt if you have HS wrestling experience.
That happened at my jiu-jitsu academy too. A young guy, 28, came into the academy n got blue in 6 months. He is really good at learning techniques n using them. Yet! I've heard from other experience bjj practitioners that blue belt usually is a really long journey for them. Myself, I'm 16 months in n on my 1st stripe. But! I think I'll be getting my 2nd stripe soon? But not counting on it! My professor is a really hard grader. I am enjoying my journey. :)
This video made my day. I started BJJ in 2009, when I was 26. I had wrestled from 4th grade all the way thru high-school, and my first year in college, and was also a Judo black belt. Unfortunately, there were a whole bunch of guys there with wrestling backgrounds, and our instructor was also a Judo blackbelt, as well as a 4th degree BJJ Blackbelt, so everyone there was pretty competent on their feet. lol I didn't get to stand out and shine the way I thought I would. I was just another white belt who could wrestle, the same as alot of other guys.
must’ve been a beautiful gym man, i was a half decent wrestler in high school and the stand up in my gym is horrible. they look at me like i was a national champ but in reality i’m barely half decent
I always had a few judoka in my classes and a bunch of my wrestling teammates. Ignore the belt colors and youll learn much faster. The easy way or the hard way LOL
This is why judo is the only appropriate martial art for self-defense. At its core, are 2 of the 3 most import self-defense skills, beyond all others combined: #2 how to stay on your feet, #3 how to get back to your feet. The #1 skill above all others combined, including 2 and 3, comes from boxing - how to take a beating. Everyone wants to be a tough guy but 9 times out 10, the best option in an unavoidable altercation, is to just endure it. If 'winning' ever enters your thought process, its not self-defense.
Same way in Muay Thai. So what? But in competition there are novice and professional. Any full contact spprt has regs like thay in place for safety purposes.
When i moved and switched gyms, the closest was a judo school so i figured it should translate. I was tossed around for 2 months straight by higher belts bc my ground game was far superior and everyone wanted to try and test their jiujitsu with me. It was really fun
I walked into a jujitsu / judo club as a kickboxer thinking I was Billy big bullocks, soon got humbled and now have respect for all the fighting sports.
I was attending a bjj classe and a new white belt showed up but he had an obviously not brand new mizuno gi on. Let’s just say a bunch of other bjj white belts got taken down rather easily
Coming from a background of judo, I admit I don’t really understand BJJ but huge respect for the athleticism of both athletes here. Judo’s changed a lot recently with a lot of moves banned “for safety” while promotions are given out like candy at a lot of dojos. I had a weak upper body so used more lower body offense that’s almost completely illegal now. I hope BJJ learns from judo’s mistakes and keeps attacks free while also maintaining discipline in terms of belt promotions.
That is the age old problem - Is the gym legit or are they teaching a lot of useless things? This is why many gyms are going to a full MMA format. It allows you to mix things up and take the best from multiple disciplines.
I get a sense that 'white belt' will be on a fast-track through the belts over the next few years...good technique all round, great vid, thanks for the upload.
Belt colours don’t count for much if you haven’t got the heart. But it’s nice to be able to say that you got your Judo black belt, because believe me acquiring a judo black belt isn’t easy, for it’s not about Kata, more fighting for it at gradings. Which is competing against other judoka of the same ability and persevering, that takes dedication, coupled with lots of pain and if you do attain Black Belt, mark my words, it’s a great achievement.
at my old gym we had a white belt come through who was higher ranked in judo lol his triangle may not have been tight but his throws and take downs sure were!
On the ground the black belt judoka seems equal to the blue belt level in BJJ and i have seen that in more videos , when judoka's compete in BJJ tournaments they start as a blue belt. In the trows ( tachi-waza) judoka's can trow BJJ practitioners like ragdolls if they will go for 100%. i respect both styles because both can learn from each other 🥋🙏🤙
I new he had experience straight away, from how carm he was and the positions he was taking not to be thrown. Beautiful throw as well. For I try to mix, my kyokushin, bjj, traditional jiu-jitsu. Helps to become a more rounded fighter
Props for bjj dude for not sitting down. Im a judoka and when they sit down its really a waste. Because it could be the time they improve their stamina and stand up game
@@Mario-rg5cq 95% of jiu jitsu players are not going to be world champs like Musumeci, and, a good amount of those 95% are just training for self defense. The "waste" is all about: why don't you complete your game with standing techniques? It will boost a lot your game and help even more to use your Jiu jitsu at a self defense situation.
@@mateusbraga4193 he wins over guys with standing techniques so whatever style works for you that’s what should you be doing so it’s clearly not a waste. Not only him Diaz, Oliver work best from their back. In self defense you don’t go on the ground unless it’s one on one
@@Mario-rg5cq the point being, why have standing at all if you are going to and its allowed to just sit down. I think we all understand that yea it works for dude but it is kinda of a sanctioned cheat and a waste because you can completely nulify an entire aspect of the the sport with objectively absolutely zero effort. Its like if in baseball instead of having to actually bat and hit the ball you could just start running the bases back and forth making fuckers chase you without doing anything. Very quickly it looks stupid and becomes a different thing. Just get rid of the bat entirely if thats what we are doing here. Some might say.. well you could just stand up in judo if you dont want to fight on the ground but the difference is that you can only just stand up if your opponent lets you. I can force you on to the ground because gravity helps me. But i cant force you to stand up, you can go limp and gravity helps you. It takes no skill to lay down. It takes skill to stand up when being attacked.
My brother was an all American wrestler (as was I). I was more into powerlifting but I just got into bjj bc I missed it so much. Grappling, that is. my brother jumped into bjj too. He's very humble for how nasty he is, so he didn't want to bring up his skill in wrestling. He gave his whole life to wrestling and needed an outlet when it was over. The prof paired him up with other whitebelts during live. Idk why, because he has a fatass cauliflower ear, and he looks very athletic (not that it really matters). But I get it. Anyways, 15 seconds in, he was swapped to go with some upper belts hahaha. Part of the process of becoming a good wrestler is getting absolutely mauled by better wrestlers. It creates urgency, toughness, and a desire to improve. He was happy that he found a room that would truly push him. Wrestlers may be tough, but they are still vulnerable to many things. Same thing happened to me. In wrestling, I have always been very comfortable scoring takedowns off of my opponent's front headlocks. But it's different now LOL
"Part of the process of becoming a good wrestler is getting absolutely mauled by better wrestlers" YES. That brings back memories of high school wrestling practice and getting my ass kicked over and over again
@@victorespinoza6210 oh yeah. You just go to practice and can't understand how this dude is beating you so effortlessly. And then at some random point, you start doing the whooping. Beautiful sport:)
@@jasonrose6288 yea at first it used to bother me , now I'm generally happy to see them catch me. I just remember how cool I felt when I first swept or caught a blue belt , good for them you can just see how excited they are , at the very least I make them earn it 😄
Leg Bars are forbitten in judo competition to save knees, but we Just train them in self defense class but we have to be very careful with Our Partner.
@@brianbassir6453 that’s kind of what I thought might have happened. It’s always interesting to see people that are masters of one art step into another. Guy seemed to have no ego and be really cool about being a white belt again.
I envy how both of them r so respectful. I'm a red belt in Taekwondo (one rank below black belt) n I just started karate 2 months ago in Japan, some of the higher belts r so cocky n tried to knock me down with liver shot during sparring so I knocked them out instead. Not all white belts r the same... N now I have to find a new dojo to train
BJJ in a nutshell is Judo's Ne Waza (ground techniques), only refined and customised. Even though Judo puts more emphasis on the standing and throwing techniques due to the current tournament rule of ground work lasting merely 10 seconds in a match, it definitely still gets you to roll good.
My kid does judo and her instructor used to be part of the Olympic team split up from them due to this very reason, he Said that the judo what's in the Olympics is more of a sport and isn't teaching the full art of judo I.e ne waza is just as important as stand up that's why he left and set up his own bbja association,
@@kevinrace2648 Good for the Sensei. A martial art shouldn't be limited by a certain rule set. As far as I know the Kodokan still teaches the spectrum of Judo equally.
@@alricmetalheart4125 he's really good he's the youngest person to receive a master rank, I think there's only 18 of them all together and some of them have passed away, we are lucky we live right next to someone who's legit
I'm very lucky that my club was a) super old school, 2 hour class was one hour of standing work, one of ne waza. B) in most classes 3 black belts per coloured belt, all with 20 to 50 years (60 in one case) experience. Insane amount of experience and zero ego.
when i was a brown belt in TKD, i fought a new student. he was a yellow belt. he controlled distance and always ended his combos in a good position, often placed to the outside of my weapons. he was really hard target to find. overall, he beat me everywhere. 4 months later , i went to train at another master's dojong. i did the beginners kid class as a warm up. then I stayed for the black belt's class. after that, they invited me to stay for the Muay tai class. guess who the insrtuctor was? he was a pro fighter but new to TKD. he is skilled and talented. I taught his poomse and he taught me the art of 8 weapons and the importance of footwork to end my combos in an advantageous positioning.
I dont know a crazy amount about Judo or Jiu Jotsu, but i noticed where the white belt stuck his head in between blues arm while on the ground to break a lovk. I thought that was super clever. If I got that wrong, please educate me.
I really don't understand how these kinds of martial arts are practical for self defense. Even if you're a judo master like this guy, what's to stop an attacker from punching your face in while you're trying to grab him?
Fair critique I suppose. A grappler still has to manage to close the distance and make connections with a striker. In the process they could definitely eat some punches, elbows or kicks. But what is to say that the striker gets a knockout shot every time? OR even connects? My background is in striking so I understand the point you are trying to make. However, a skilled grappler has a very high chance of closing distance and making connections. And then you are in their world and a striker that hasn't trained in grappling (which was once me) is in a world of trouble. We have seen this play out in MMA time and again. I don't think there is a definitive answer for which approach is better (striking or grappling) with the exception that its better to know and train both. Because as confident as you might be with your ability to strike and land a knockout blow, you could very easily find yourself on your back getting your shoulder torn off, your elbow snapped or being choked unconscious. Sleep on this style of martial art at your own peril.
What people forget is the connection between Judo and BJJ. Short history: Japanese Jujutsu by the 1800s was more of a past time with some self defense applications and too many "styles", but all did have at least a basic understanding of jointlocks, chokes, escapes and some takedowns/sweeps, but mostly kata-based. Not like the Jujutsu of today or in the time of the Samurai that had sparring. Jigoro Kano founded "Kano Jiu-Jitsu" later renamed Judo, by sparring to get better. He learned some basic wrestling from America and Sumo wrestling leverage-based sweeps and throws (he was far too skinny for Sumo competition). He improved over time and while Judo is largely throw-orientated, the ne-waza (ground game) has positions, the Guard, guard sweeps, escapes, chokes and armbars since the late 1800s. The Gracie family in Brazil learned a "Jiu-Jitsu" from one of Kano's direct students, who still called it Kano Jiu-Jitsu. The Gracies obviously favored ground techniques and submissions over throws. While BJJ and Judo have a rivalry, Judo ne-waza still possesses many of the same core positions and submissions. The difference is in Judo, a proper throw can negate any chance or need of newaza. And there is a time limit and pinning strategies in Judo ne-waza, as opposed to longer time limits and submission heavy preference in BJJ. So the black belt in Judo has a good strong understanding of the positions, escapes, submissions and leverage focus that are similar to the core of BJJ. Throw in "Kosen Judo", ne-waza heavy focused Judo techniques with additional submissions and ground techniques as well as longer time limits (arguably comparable to BJJ, though still different), and a Judoka might do better than you think. Still, BJJ has its own techniques and innoventions specific to itself that make it one of the best submission styles in the world. If this Judoka can combine BJJ ground game with what he knows in Judo, he may be quite a monster in grappling
Also we shouldn't forget that whichever styles we're comparing the individual athlete's overall ability matters usually more than the system he uses (when comparing apples to apples, obviously we're not going to compare BJJ to TKD in ground fighting). After all Helio Gracie got owned by a judoka, by submission - one of those important history lessons.
@@BigUriel True, the great Masahiko Kimura, if I'm not mistake. In truth, Judo and BJJ agree on the emphasis of leverage over size, technique over raw strength or speed. From my LIMITED BJJ background, what throws and takedowns BJJ has is usually borrowed from Judo. I do know that Rickson Gracie and Renzo Gracie both have black belts in Judo, despite being BJJ-style fighters/grapplers. There's a lot to be said for cross-training. Even though I'm primarily a Judo guy, I definitely improved when I learned a little BJJ and sparred with them.
@@azraelknightquest5754 I think it may be more correct to say they both borrowed the throws and takedowns from Jujutsu. Judo ditched a lot of the more "exotic" stuff like disarms, and the stuff that simply couldn't be practiced safely like joint lock throws, to focus less on katas and more on randori and actual fighting/competition. BJJ then took another step further and focused much more on the ground work with far less emphasis on the throws. BJJ expanded on the system of submissions and judoka practice a greater variety of throws and get much better at them, but at their core they are both just an offshoot of jujutsu and share most of the core techniques.
@@BigUriel I feel that Judo branched into a different art when Jigoro chose to combine elements of American wrestling (such as the double leg takedown, single leg takedown, waistlock takedown variations, fireman's carry , pinning strategies that include the Crotch and Nelson, Head and Arm shoulder pin, and techniques that seem derived from half nelson variations to flip someone from all fours to their back), Sumo Wrestling (such as certain under-arm hip throws, leg sweeps and the concept of pulling off balance rather than pain-compliance or power or speed), and Karate striking (the Atemi Waza) to PARTS of the 3 Jujutsu styles he knew, then later through rolling evolved into something else. Also, the addition of Kosen Judo, which he used to improve his ground game. I have a green belt in Jujutsu, it's a completely different martial art from Judo to me. But I don't see how BJJ is an offshoot of Jujutsu. If the Gracies never learned Jujutsu from anyone, and their instructors never learned a style of Jujutsu, only Judo, how can you claim that BJJ is an offshoot of Jujutsu? I feel it would have to learn a style of Jujutsu before it could claim that.
I was a karate black belt when I took my first bjj class. It felt like a baseball bat to my face when reality hit that I wasted valuable time during my youth and wasted thousands of dollars getting a black belt in goofy chop and kick techniques while making obnoxious sounds. Bjj will humble anyone with a brain that can see how even white belts can strangle the life out you if they choose. Now in my mid 30s I own guns and train at the range.
I had a guy at my old gym that was a black belt judoka; same thing happened. Weirdly enough though, I was able to catch him with a high-crotch the first time I rolled (I'm guessing its because they don't drill the defense for that as much in Japan as wrestling isn't as big as it is in the US), but in all other cases he'd sweep me lol
yeah, it's a shame they banned leg grabs.. I mean I get they don't want it to be wrestling with a gi, but at least allow single and double legs, maybe even make a rule that you're only allowed to use it after a setup, as a counter or it needs to be initialized from full kumi kata, that way people will still be grip fighting and trying to set up beautiful throws
I had a friend in college who invited me to try bjj because I wrestled in high school. Got taken down and immediately built a base- and was immediately choked out as a result. Then I found out the guy I rolled with had his bjj brown belt and judo black belt and I felt a little better about getting rag dolled lol
Had a similar experience at my practice, a golden gloves boxer came in to learn some bjj. The instructor is a black belt and wanted to show him some moves, so they shook hands and went to the mat. The boxer knocked the instructor out with a single punch.
You sure this guy is black belt in Judo ?? 00:36 - Yoko Guruma , 00:55 - Ude Garami , 01:04 - Juji Gatame , 01:30 -Kimura , 02:46 - Uchi Mata , 03:30 - Bull dog choke , 04:06 Kami Shiho Gatame , 04:16 - Yoko Shiho Gatame ... too many opportunities presented itself
Whenever I went to a BJJ gym I always told them my background. The last place I went to said they were waiting/hoping I'd say something because I showed up in an Adidas double weave and taped up my fingers before warmups
When my friend (do Muay his whole life) go inside Karate dojo for School extracurricular activity because the school doesn't have muay, he's white belt too, but his kick still break a bone.
I remember a white belt in our class was 10kg heavyweight than me “I was a 3 stripe whitey at the time” we slapped hands and I felt something under my arm so I looked down and could see the fan on the roof, was like what’s the roof doing in the floor. Hit the ground like a ton of dicks and got sun via kimura. He was a brown belt on the aus olympic team
He is not a bjj white belt, his knowledge of newaza is above blue belt level and he definitely has the standing up game.. for sure a solid purple belt level.. if not brown belt.. it’s like saying a bjj black belt is a judo white belt practitioner.. a bjj black belt will clean the floor with all low level judo belts.. he or she will start having trouble with judo brown belts.. the techniques are the same, the applications different but still same techniques..
@@tatumergo3931 that’s exactly what judo is, Kano jujutsu.. bjj is Brazilian jujutsu.. became jiujitsu due to the Portuguese accent.. both use the same pedagogical approach that Kano introduced into the Japanese martial arts.. which is what differentiates them from classic Japanese jujutsu.. but still same techniques different applications, different solutions to the same questions..
"Just go for the legs" I have heard that one more than a trillion times... Judo is such a fantastic art - Wrestling judoka that does bjj for relaxation
Posture is important when fighting Judo players always try to stand upright, and avoid bending over too much unless you're fishing for a drop technique like drop knee seionage or firemans carry (1st degree bb Judo 10 years of experience)
At 40 i joined taekwondo with my son. I was the white belt with 20 years of wing chun/jkd under his belt. I was so suprised at how many belt colors didn't take me seriously only to sulk off the mats saying " i lost to a fn white belt"
Open for debate: What division in a tournament would you have a white belt enter with training Jiujitsu less than a year, a black belt in Judo and an amateur collegiate style wrestler?
In Japan, judokas were not allowed to compete in bjj tournaments till they got to blue belt because they would have sandbagged the white belt tournaments lol
I know a bb in judo and when he came to our gym was immediately handed a blue belt because it literally wouldn't have been fair on the other whitebelts lol
Also impressive he had on one those gigantic heavy as f old double weave judo gi. You don't see those anymore. All blue/ red lable gis are really light and a sleeker fit now(probably bjj influence idk).
Ummm...I am blown away at the response to this vid. I make these as a means of observing and obsessing over all the mistakes I make. In an attempt to improve. I'm happy to see so much interest in this! Lol. And ftr I love Kenny! I love my bjj fam at Casarez and the bjj community at large! Everyone is always so positive and helpful. Everyone seems interested in building each other up and Kenny is no exception. OSS!!
Also, (humble brag) the reset at 2:22 is because I got a tap from a cross collar choke! Love you Kenny!
Great video mate. I just shared it with a few friends. Really enjoyed it. Fair play!
Love you too, whoever you are 😂
I loved the transition from Judo to Jits, it's like Judo with the brakes off... So much fun!
You touched on something the consumers of martial arts media absolutely adore... match ups between specialists of different styles. It doesn't matter that it's sparring, it's rare to see for those of us who don't go and roll with y'all in the gyms.
One of the blue belts at my gym was a state champ wrestler in high school. When he was a white belt, I was a blue belt and he just threw me around like a rag doll. Cross pollination between the different grappling arts is a beautiful thing to see. Less so to experience :D
I did that in gym class in high school. We were doing Olympic style wrestling and I beat everyone but the biggest kid.
Cross pollination 😂 I like it
@@GTsuji what did u practice?
@@Friendviews I wonder which married man he got that word from 🤔
I agree. I love seeing wrestlers, judokas and bjj practicioners trying everything. I want to learn every grappling style I can and see what mixing is like.
As a wrestler, I've learned some judo stuff modified for no gi. I like uchi Mata's (hope I'm spelling it right).
I've had this humbling experience as well. At my gym I was the one of better ones at my feet, even giving me an advantage against the higher belts if we start from our feet standing up.
One of our classes was focused on takedowns, and in comes this new white belt. This was his 3rd time with us.
He was a head shorter than me and a good 20 pounds lighter than me.
While sparring on the ground he didn't even stand a chance, but as soon as we stood up I was his personal ragdoll. He swept, threw and swung me around like I was a trash bag. There was nothing I could do and I was completely dominated. After some talking after the class we discovered that the guy was a former competitive judoka, he wasn't even a black belt.
This experience sure humbled me and made me realize that comparing belts is just stupid. The belt is nothing more than my own diary for my own journey, and comparing diaries just makes no sense.
great post love the diary analogy
So true. I also love the diary analogy. We all must run our own race and the real competition is with ourselves.
I'm a lifelong boxer, the first time I rolled in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, the guy thought I was going to throw a punch because I was bouncing around like a boxer. That's all I knew! How funny.
Thing about Judo and Aikido is he''ll break the other guys arm if he doesn't flip. BJJ 10% power 99% of the time the opposite of Judo.
@@ComicusFreemanius True
@@ComicusFreemanius tf? What are you on about.
@@jestfullgremblim8002 😂 I don't know either bro
@@TexasGuitarist I meant to reply to the comment under this but mis-clicked.
1:10 “damn, dude they make white belts different these days” 😂😂 cracked me up that haha
Its inflation
I was a blue belt when I met my mate Joao, a 45 year old judo black belt of 20 years, taking his first bjj class and he took my soul 😅😭
Lol
The Brazilian name was dead give away that you were gonna have a bad time
😂
Is he still doing BJJ?
Yea happens everytime
That little "oooh arghhhh" when you get drop seo'd 😂
Hopefully this doesn’t come across as assholery but as someone with ~15 years of Judo experience some advice:
At 0:41 he has a high collar grip on you. This is kind of a universal signal in Judo that you’re about to get tossed. Typically, it means you’ve lost the grip fight. If you’re fast on your feet you may be able to duck under, but most people will try to get sleeve control to stop turn throw as and try to find an opportunity to break the grip and reset. Even so, it’s pretty hard to do, tbh.
The other thing-although it didn’t really bite you here-is be careful of the hunched over wrestling stance. There is some received wisdom in BJJ circles these days that if you do this and attack the legs, it’s a surefire way to get Judo guys. And maybe for newer ones, but if they have a solid Tomoe Nage or Sumi Gaeshi, it’s basically is if you’ve set yourself up for the throw for free.
Other than that, I’d just be careful of super dominant gripping positions. The high collar is probably the most common in the States, but occasionally you’ll find people who like to go deep as if grabbing at your belt over the back-if they get this it’s almost always a bad time. The armpit grip is also kind of in vogue right now due to a certain famous Japanese Judoka… while he’s a monster with it, I think in the hands of mere mortals it’s not as dangerous as a high collar or belt grip. It IS still a dominant grip though.
I’d say last thing-although definitely kind of advanced-is always expect an attack to come in response to one of your own reactions. He throws you as you stand up, which gives him the space for his throw, but also takes advantage of your focus on resetting. This is kind of “Judo theory 101,” but in practice it takes awhile to really get a sense for. Just don’t expect the genuine throw attempt to come blazing out in the open. I notice a lot of BJJ guys will shoot sort of haphazardly, but Judo is really a lot more about gripping properly and then successive feints into the actual throw.
Kinda went into grip fighting a lot here but I think it rarely gets overtly talked about-even in Judo. Which is a shame because understanding it really cues when you should be defense or offensive. Basically high grip=try to bail, neutral=fight to establish your own superior grips, high grip of your own=string a combo into your throw
This doesn't come across as being an asshole at all! In fact a lot of the advice you're giving is the same advice Kenny gave after the roll. He's a super chill dude and is looking to help his partners. Thank you for taking the time to lay this all out!
What’s really crazy is how gentle Kenny was being. That man is an absolute savage and could’ve thrown at will. Great work from both of you
I noticed that too, willing to work
So true.
Not really. That’s not how throws work. You need the person off balance and you can’t just throw someone at will. The difference between a high level judo guy and someone who’s don’t judo for a couple years is timing
Brad, I’ve been doing judo for like 15 years bro. Please tell me more about “high level judo guys”
@@jabarimyles4213 hah exactly. I did judo for only a year and had to stop due to injury. You don’t need someone off balance. You make them off balance. Dopey comment.
This is why people should not pay attention to rank. It doesn’t mean as much as people think. No where is this more evident than ju jitsu. You have guys who wrestled 4 years in high school and then go on the wrestle in college walk into class because they want to start something new. Black belts have a hard time with these guys. You got 50-60 year old guys that just want something to do a couple days a week to stay in shape versus the 18 year old dynamo who is a natural, and athletic, a super strong. Rank means very little. You got people who come in and have 30 years of fight experience and multiple black belts who just want to start something new. Not all white belts are created equal.
I couldn't agree more! Not all white belts are equal, and not all black belts are equal. In my opinion rank is only a measurement of what you know, how well understand the general execution of those techniques. A 65 year old black belt is going to have trouble with a 25 year old blue belt with a wrestling background, doesn't make that black belt less, because he or she may have put the hours, time, and years in.
i think the point people are missing though is that rank does not and should not signify your overall ability to beat opponents. of course an athletic young wrestler can beat a very old black belt physically, but that doesn’t make his jiu jitsu better. he’s just stronger and more athletic
I haven't given a damn about any belt colors for years, because I've winn too many times against black belt wearers at tournaments, but you shouldn't compare a 60-year-old with an 18-year-old - the comparison is laggy, but it also depends on the individual case for me I've had some younger fighters under control too
Good point. Wrestlers, judo guys, etc, a white belt can launch you if you ain't careful/humble 😅
A wrestlers giving a black belts a hard time? Which academies?
They are so gentle and loving with one another...what cute couple. .and those robes are fabulous. .
I was once told by a blue belt that a black belt in judo would easily be beaten by a blue belt in BJJ. We were doing positional work, I was a white belt at the time, he couldn't get mount on me where as I mounted him several times. I never told him I was only a green belt in Judo.
Judo is still grappling and BJJ came from Judo. It's legit.
Yeah as a green belt esp a competitive one from a solid school like Jason morris Colton brown or god help you - some of the international judo powerhouses you’ll be able to clear house in takedowns and have a decent chance on the ground due to athleticism.
I’d argue most bjj black belts are at best competitive orange belt level when it comes to judo
Judo and Jiu Jitsu compliment each other very well. People shouldn't think Judo vs. Jiu Jitsu.
At one time this was all considered Judo. The “Ne Waza” which is what the Judo ground game is called has been incredibly refined by the Brazilians.
The judoka is taking it easy. He is being very very gentle. He wouldn't hold a grip like that in competition for that long. He would have thrown as soon as he got that grip.
You are correct! Kenny was being gentle with me and letting me work. It was much appreciated!
@@brianbassir6453 Yeah just yesterday we had one of our old judokas, a yodan, move back home from the Colorado US Oly training center. Most of the class was juniors and I'm injured. I'm seeing that USA team patch on his back so I looked at the greenbelt adult and said 'You better hope he is in a good mood.'
Guys like that can give you a great lesson or they can teach you a lesson.
My background is a black belt in judo and I just started training BJJ last week. I have a huge advantage in the stand up game.I’ve just been starting from guard to try and get confortable on my back and improve that weakness in my game.
At my academy. My instructor teaches us Judo once a month and his son who's the kids instructor teaches them Judo once a week. My granddaughter was training for over 2 years and hip tossed multiple opponents. I loved it.
People are forgetting that this should be self defense first smh
@@yurifrommw215 I don't think anyone is forgetting the self defense aspect. There are just many ways to be competent in defending yourself. If a person puts the time and effort into kickboxing, judo, BJJ, wrestling, boxing etc they will get better at defending themselves.
The respect on the mat by most is what makes this and most styles so beautiful. We are always learning and cross pollinating making everyone better.
Same goes for D1 wrestlers when they go to a no gi class..
or a gi class lol.
A D3 wrestler is one of the greatest No Gi grapplers in the world. Imagine what a D1 wrestler could do if they learned submissions.
Competed in a small, in house tournament way back in their beginner division and a wrestler who was technically a white belt came in and swept his entire weight class and the absolute. Some folks were complaining that he should have entered in advanced.
@@mattmax8599 yeah honestly ive practiced with guys from junior college in iowa and they damn near fuck that whole gym up lol
If you do bjj and struggle against a wrestler you should be ashamed of yourself
Awesome to see the utter calmness and confidence on his feet. The control was beautiful and he obviously had no probs with getting to side or north south. Once he masters anacondas or darce or anything from that position it’s lights out for most. Cool vid guys, thx for sharing!
We have a wrestler in our gym, he was sub champ at one time at Nationals. He was a White belt only for a couple of months until coach gave him the blue belt directly. He clearly was above all of us White belts and could handle even some purple belts. I'm pretty sure the coach gave it to him because he wanted to compete in very near future and didnt seemed fair to have him smacking White belts hahaha.
It happens. Many local/regional grappling tournaments, like NAGA for example, wont even let you compete in white belt if you have HS wrestling experience.
That happened at my jiu-jitsu academy too. A young guy, 28, came into the academy n got blue in 6 months. He is really good at learning techniques n using them. Yet! I've heard from other experience bjj practitioners that blue belt usually is a really long journey for them. Myself, I'm 16 months in n on my 1st stripe. But! I think I'll be getting my 2nd stripe soon? But not counting on it! My professor is a really hard grader. I am enjoying my journey. :)
@@ricardogalindo8794 probably won't get your 2nd stripe for another few years.
@@ricardogalindo8794 LMAOOOO you getting scammed hard
@@VegPoop 😂😂😂😂😂😂
This video made my day. I started BJJ in 2009, when I was 26. I had wrestled from 4th grade all the way thru high-school, and my first year in college, and was also a Judo black belt. Unfortunately, there were a whole bunch of guys there with wrestling backgrounds, and our instructor was also a Judo blackbelt, as well as a 4th degree BJJ Blackbelt, so everyone there was pretty competent on their feet. lol I didn't get to stand out and shine the way I thought I would. I was just another white belt who could wrestle, the same as alot of other guys.
must’ve been a beautiful gym man, i was a half decent wrestler in high school and the stand up in my gym is horrible. they look at me like i was a national champ but in reality i’m barely half decent
Probably ly because it was way less mainstream back then and u didn't have as many casuals
Thats awesome
@@emadmahmood5800 You still in Dallas?
I don’t know anything about Judo or BJJ, but the way he swung his leg out to keep himself balanced at 0:12 was so clean
The guy is a monster and controlled the engagement with top position, nice moves both players
0:46
First throw.
2:55 for sprawl
I always had a few judoka in my classes and a bunch of my wrestling teammates. Ignore the belt colors and youll learn much faster. The easy way or the hard way LOL
@@tatumergo3931 thats good knowledge!
@@tatumergo3931 crazy. Well nobody's beating those guys not even a wrestler unless he is college and has some BJJ at least
@@tatumergo3931 Conversely, in the Judo classes I took, if a belt lost too often to lower belts they would get demoted.
0:13 that was actually a pretty nice sweep
Oh man that drop seoi was nice. Gotta appreciate the timing of these guys.
That looks like a chill place to train!
It is! I love all my Team Casarez peeps!
This is why judo is the only appropriate martial art for self-defense. At its core, are 2 of the 3 most import self-defense skills, beyond all others combined: #2 how to stay on your feet, #3 how to get back to your feet. The #1 skill above all others combined, including 2 and 3, comes from boxing - how to take a beating. Everyone wants to be a tough guy but 9 times out 10, the best option in an unavoidable altercation, is to just endure it. If 'winning' ever enters your thought process, its not self-defense.
I'm only accustomed to boxing..I'm not even sure what iv just watched..but I suspect a deadly art expressed in a gentle way..
IMO given the fact that Judo is so close to BJJ, if you are a Blackbelt in Judo, you are at least a blue belt in BJJ.
Should be. If you wanna test a judokas jiu jitsu put them on their back......... if you can
@@tatumergo3931 belts mean something when it comes to competition. That's why at the highest level you do not see blues competing with Blackbelts...
@@brandonmason5341 so you don't watch ADCC?
Same way in Muay Thai. So what? But in competition there are novice and professional. Any full contact spprt has regs like thay in place for safety purposes.
When i moved and switched gyms, the closest was a judo school so i figured it should translate. I was tossed around for 2 months straight by higher belts bc my ground game was far superior and everyone wanted to try and test their jiujitsu with me. It was really fun
That throw was ⛽️
That counter arm throw was nice. Dude has moves
I walked into a jujitsu / judo club as a kickboxer thinking I was Billy big bullocks, soon got humbled and now have respect for all the fighting sports.
He was being very friendly the whole time.🎉
Thank you for sharing Brian
Dang, that white belt knows his Ne waza.
Same thing in my judo club. White belt has a bjj brown belt, dude armbars everyone 😂😂
Damnnnnn should directly give him a higher belt
@@owenchow0104 hey I think I saw u in judo tournament before
Omgg, Maybe we come from the same Uni
If you see a white belt with a baggy Green Hill gi you are most likely gonna fly lol
I was attending a bjj classe and a new white belt showed up but he had an obviously not brand new mizuno gi on. Let’s just say a bunch of other bjj white belts got taken down rather easily
Black belt in Judo is legit
That was some clean execution on that over the shoulder throw! :) I am just wondering, would you get any points for that in a Jiu-Jitsu match?
Yes! 2pts for a takedown. In addition to the bewilderment and disadvantageous position of your opponent (or in this case me! lol).
Nice and relaxed; everybody's chill. 👏😎 The roll out of the sweep was epic.
People seem to have no idea where BJJ came from
Coming from a background of judo, I admit I don’t really understand BJJ but huge respect for the athleticism of both athletes here.
Judo’s changed a lot recently with a lot of moves banned “for safety” while promotions are given out like candy at a lot of dojos. I had a weak upper body so used more lower body offense that’s almost completely illegal now.
I hope BJJ learns from judo’s mistakes and keeps attacks free while also maintaining discipline in terms of belt promotions.
My sensei makes you almost good enough for an orange belt before he'll give you your yellow. Love it that way.
@@NipponNostalgicTV How it should be!
That is the age old problem - Is the gym legit or are they teaching a lot of useless things? This is why many gyms are going to a full MMA format. It allows you to mix things up and take the best from multiple disciplines.
Was a judo brown belt, and when I rolled, I did feel that my judo experience was very helpful.
I get a sense that 'white belt' will be on a fast-track through the belts over the next few years...good technique all round, great vid, thanks for the upload.
Belt colours don’t count for much if you haven’t got the heart. But it’s nice to be able to say that you got your Judo black belt, because believe me acquiring a judo black belt isn’t easy, for it’s not about Kata, more fighting for it at gradings. Which is competing against other judoka of the same ability and persevering, that takes dedication, coupled with lots of pain and if you do attain Black Belt, mark my words, it’s a great achievement.
at my old gym we had a white belt come through who was higher ranked in judo lol his triangle may not have been tight but his throws and take downs sure were!
On the ground the black belt judoka seems equal to the blue belt level in BJJ and i have seen that in more videos , when judoka's compete in BJJ tournaments they start as a blue belt. In the trows ( tachi-waza) judoka's can trow BJJ practitioners like ragdolls if they will go for 100%. i respect both styles because both can learn from each other 🥋🙏🤙
I new he had experience straight away, from how carm he was and the positions he was taking not to be thrown. Beautiful throw as well. For I try to mix, my kyokushin, bjj, traditional jiu-jitsu. Helps to become a more rounded fighter
Props for bjj dude for not sitting down. Im a judoka and when they sit down its really a waste. Because it could be the time they improve their stamina and stand up game
It’s not waste that’s what Mikey musumeci does and he’s 4 time world champion that’s his style and it works
@@Mario-rg5cq 95% of jiu jitsu players are not going to be world champs like Musumeci, and, a good amount of those 95% are just training for self defense. The "waste" is all about: why don't you complete your game with standing techniques? It will boost a lot your game and help even more to use your Jiu jitsu at a self defense situation.
@@mateusbraga4193 he wins over guys with standing techniques so whatever style works for you that’s what should you be doing so it’s clearly not a waste. Not only him Diaz, Oliver work best from their back. In self defense you don’t go on the ground unless it’s one on one
@@Mario-rg5cq the point being, why have standing at all if you are going to and its allowed to just sit down. I think we all understand that yea it works for dude but it is kinda of a sanctioned cheat and a waste because you can completely nulify an entire aspect of the the sport with objectively absolutely zero effort. Its like if in baseball instead of having to actually bat and hit the ball you could just start running the bases back and forth making fuckers chase you without doing anything. Very quickly it looks stupid and becomes a different thing. Just get rid of the bat entirely if thats what we are doing here. Some might say.. well you could just stand up in judo if you dont want to fight on the ground but the difference is that you can only just stand up if your opponent lets you. I can force you on to the ground because gravity helps me. But i cant force you to stand up, you can go limp and gravity helps you. It takes no skill to lay down. It takes skill to stand up when being attacked.
@@woogieboogie3889 why is mayweather defensive boxer and not going forward bc its his style thats what it is
My brother was an all American wrestler (as was I). I was more into powerlifting but I just got into bjj bc I missed it so much. Grappling, that is. my brother jumped into bjj too. He's very humble for how nasty he is, so he didn't want to bring up his skill in wrestling. He gave his whole life to wrestling and needed an outlet when it was over. The prof paired him up with other whitebelts during live. Idk why, because he has a fatass cauliflower ear, and he looks very athletic (not that it really matters). But I get it. Anyways, 15 seconds in, he was swapped to go with some upper belts hahaha. Part of the process of becoming a good wrestler is getting absolutely mauled by better wrestlers. It creates urgency, toughness, and a desire to improve. He was happy that he found a room that would truly push him. Wrestlers may be tough, but they are still vulnerable to many things. Same thing happened to me. In wrestling, I have always been very comfortable scoring takedowns off of my opponent's front headlocks. But it's different now LOL
"Part of the process of becoming a good wrestler is getting absolutely mauled by better wrestlers"
YES. That brings back memories of high school wrestling practice and getting my ass kicked over and over again
@@victorespinoza6210 oh yeah. You just go to practice and can't understand how this dude is beating you so effortlessly. And then at some random point, you start doing the whooping. Beautiful sport:)
Not all blue belts are the same, either.
not all purple belts are the same
Someone got sensitive
True I've been a blue belt for a couple of years now and I suck more then most
@@donniehallaman7685 I was a blue belt for three. Occasionally, a younger and more athletic white belt would whip me, too.
@@jasonrose6288 yea at first it used to bother me , now I'm generally happy to see them catch me. I just remember how cool I felt when I first swept or caught a blue belt , good for them you can just see how excited they are , at the very least I make them earn it 😄
I love pulling guard against judo guys! It's a real Salty Spitoon moment because they have forward and downward pressure like you wouldn't believe
I love how the bjj guy wanted to roll after been smashed on the mat!
I was looking for more foot sweeps from the judoka!
So, as a casual with my only knowledge of Judo being the throws, is there ground grappling involved with Judo as well?
Yes. It’s not super friendly.
Leg Bars are forbitten in judo competition to save knees, but we Just train them in self defense class but we have to be very careful with Our Partner.
Was there a tap at @2:23 I missed? Or did the blue belt just decide to stand up the roll?
Yes, I got a tap from a cross collar choke at that point.
@@brianbassir6453 that’s kind of what I thought might have happened. It’s always interesting to see people that are masters of one art step into another. Guy seemed to have no ego and be really cool about being a white belt again.
Guy is super strong and has a very good base. I used to wrestle , Looks like a wrestler 🤼♂️ to me..
Except if you're a black belt in judo you're automatically a blue belt in bjj.
I envy how both of them r so respectful. I'm a red belt in Taekwondo (one rank below black belt) n I just started karate 2 months ago in Japan, some of the higher belts r so cocky n tried to knock me down with liver shot during sparring so I knocked them out instead. Not all white belts r the same... N now I have to find a new dojo to train
That didn’t happen 😂
BJJ in a nutshell is Judo's Ne Waza (ground techniques), only refined and customised. Even though Judo puts more emphasis on the standing and throwing techniques due to the current tournament rule of ground work lasting merely 10 seconds in a match, it definitely still gets you to roll good.
My kid does judo and her instructor used to be part of the Olympic team split up from them due to this very reason, he Said that the judo what's in the Olympics is more of a sport and isn't teaching the full art of judo I.e ne waza is just as important as stand up that's why he left and set up his own bbja association,
@@kevinrace2648
Good for the Sensei. A martial art shouldn't be limited by a certain rule set. As far as I know the Kodokan still teaches the spectrum of Judo equally.
@@alricmetalheart4125 he's really good he's the youngest person to receive a master rank, I think there's only 18 of them all together and some of them have passed away, we are lucky we live right next to someone who's legit
I'm very lucky that my club was a) super old school, 2 hour class was one hour of standing work, one of ne waza. B) in most classes 3 black belts per coloured belt, all with 20 to 50 years (60 in one case) experience. Insane amount of experience and zero ego.
@@nathaniellamb2154 sounds a lot like where my daughter trains mate, keep it up
when i was a brown belt in TKD, i fought a new student. he was a yellow belt. he controlled distance and always ended his combos in a good position, often placed to the outside of my weapons. he was really hard target to find. overall, he beat me everywhere. 4 months later , i went to train at another master's dojong. i did the beginners kid class as a warm up. then I stayed for the black belt's class. after that, they invited me to stay for the Muay tai class. guess who the insrtuctor was? he was a pro fighter but new to TKD. he is skilled and talented. I taught his poomse and he taught me the art of 8 weapons and the importance of footwork to end my combos in an advantageous positioning.
I dont know a crazy amount about Judo or Jiu Jotsu, but i noticed where the white belt stuck his head in between blues arm while on the ground to break a lovk. I thought that was super clever. If I got that wrong, please educate me.
I really don't understand how these kinds of martial arts are practical for self defense. Even if you're a judo master like this guy, what's to stop an attacker from punching your face in while you're trying to grab him?
Fair critique I suppose. A grappler still has to manage to close the distance and make connections with a striker. In the process they could definitely eat some punches, elbows or kicks. But what is to say that the striker gets a knockout shot every time? OR even connects? My background is in striking so I understand the point you are trying to make. However, a skilled grappler has a very high chance of closing distance and making connections. And then you are in their world and a striker that hasn't trained in grappling (which was once me) is in a world of trouble. We have seen this play out in MMA time and again. I don't think there is a definitive answer for which approach is better (striking or grappling) with the exception that its better to know and train both. Because as confident as you might be with your ability to strike and land a knockout blow, you could very easily find yourself on your back getting your shoulder torn off, your elbow snapped or being choked unconscious. Sleep on this style of martial art at your own peril.
I think the blue was not so bad, considerering his age and weight.
0:44
very good timing.
I've tapped many blue belts with my only experience of being the youngest of 3 brothers. Lol
What people forget is the connection between Judo and BJJ.
Short history: Japanese Jujutsu by the 1800s was more of a past time with some self defense applications and too many "styles", but all did have at least a basic understanding of jointlocks, chokes, escapes and some takedowns/sweeps, but mostly kata-based. Not like the Jujutsu of today or in the time of the Samurai that had sparring.
Jigoro Kano founded "Kano Jiu-Jitsu" later renamed Judo, by sparring to get better. He learned some basic wrestling from America and Sumo wrestling leverage-based sweeps and throws (he was far too skinny for Sumo competition). He improved over time and while Judo is largely throw-orientated, the ne-waza (ground game) has positions, the Guard, guard sweeps, escapes, chokes and armbars since the late 1800s.
The Gracie family in Brazil learned a "Jiu-Jitsu" from one of Kano's direct students, who still called it Kano Jiu-Jitsu. The Gracies obviously favored ground techniques and submissions over throws.
While BJJ and Judo have a rivalry, Judo ne-waza still possesses many of the same core positions and submissions. The difference is in Judo, a proper throw can negate any chance or need of newaza. And there is a time limit and pinning strategies in Judo ne-waza, as opposed to longer time limits and submission heavy preference in BJJ. So the black belt in Judo has a good strong understanding of the positions, escapes, submissions and leverage focus that are similar to the core of BJJ.
Throw in "Kosen Judo", ne-waza heavy focused Judo techniques with additional submissions and ground techniques as well as longer time limits (arguably comparable to BJJ, though still different), and a Judoka might do better than you think.
Still, BJJ has its own techniques and innoventions specific to itself that make it one of the best submission styles in the world. If this Judoka can combine BJJ ground game with what he knows in Judo, he may be quite a monster in grappling
They're all judo anyway...
Also we shouldn't forget that whichever styles we're comparing the individual athlete's overall ability matters usually more than the system he uses (when comparing apples to apples, obviously we're not going to compare BJJ to TKD in ground fighting). After all Helio Gracie got owned by a judoka, by submission - one of those important history lessons.
@@BigUriel True, the great Masahiko Kimura, if I'm not mistake. In truth, Judo and BJJ agree on the emphasis of leverage over size, technique over raw strength or speed. From my LIMITED BJJ background, what throws and takedowns BJJ has is usually borrowed from Judo. I do know that Rickson Gracie and Renzo Gracie both have black belts in Judo, despite being BJJ-style fighters/grapplers. There's a lot to be said for cross-training. Even though I'm primarily a Judo guy, I definitely improved when I learned a little BJJ and sparred with them.
@@azraelknightquest5754 I think it may be more correct to say they both borrowed the throws and takedowns from Jujutsu. Judo ditched a lot of the more "exotic" stuff like disarms, and the stuff that simply couldn't be practiced safely like joint lock throws, to focus less on katas and more on randori and actual fighting/competition. BJJ then took another step further and focused much more on the ground work with far less emphasis on the throws. BJJ expanded on the system of submissions and judoka practice a greater variety of throws and get much better at them, but at their core they are both just an offshoot of jujutsu and share most of the core techniques.
@@BigUriel I feel that Judo branched into a different art when Jigoro chose to combine elements of American wrestling (such as the double leg takedown, single leg takedown, waistlock takedown variations, fireman's carry , pinning strategies that include the Crotch and Nelson, Head and Arm shoulder pin, and techniques that seem derived from half nelson variations to flip someone from all fours to their back), Sumo Wrestling (such as certain under-arm hip throws, leg sweeps and the concept of pulling off balance rather than pain-compliance or power or speed), and Karate striking (the Atemi Waza) to PARTS of the 3 Jujutsu styles he knew, then later through rolling evolved into something else. Also, the addition of Kosen Judo, which he used to improve his ground game. I have a green belt in Jujutsu, it's a completely different martial art from Judo to me. But I don't see how BJJ is an offshoot of Jujutsu. If the Gracies never learned Jujutsu from anyone, and their instructors never learned a style of Jujutsu, only Judo, how can you claim that BJJ is an offshoot of Jujutsu? I feel it would have to learn a style of Jujutsu before it could claim that.
I was a karate black belt when I took my first bjj class. It felt like a baseball bat to my face when reality hit that I wasted valuable time during my youth and wasted thousands of dollars getting a black belt in goofy chop and kick techniques while making obnoxious sounds. Bjj will humble anyone with a brain that can see how even white belts can strangle the life out you if they choose. Now in my mid 30s I own guns and train at the range.
I’d like to see more judo throws in mma. But you better be good on the ground if that is where you are placing your opponents.
I had a guy at my old gym that was a black belt judoka; same thing happened. Weirdly enough though, I was able to catch him with a high-crotch the first time I rolled (I'm guessing its because they don't drill the defense for that as much in Japan as wrestling isn't as big as it is in the US), but in all other cases he'd sweep me lol
yeah, it's a shame they banned leg grabs.. I mean I get they don't want it to be wrestling with a gi, but at least allow single and double legs, maybe even make a rule that you're only allowed to use it after a setup, as a counter or it needs to be initialized from full kumi kata, that way people will still be grip fighting and trying to set up beautiful throws
I had a friend in college who invited me to try bjj because I wrestled in high school. Got taken down and immediately built a base- and was immediately choked out as a result. Then I found out the guy I rolled with had his bjj brown belt and judo black belt and I felt a little better about getting rag dolled lol
Why would he be a white belt? It's so common to automatically promote any judo black belt to bjj blue
0:45 haha nice
A judô black belt should start jiujitsu with a least a blue or purple belt... In my opinion
At least blue to start
I disagree. Two different types of training.
Had a similar experience at my practice, a golden gloves boxer came in to learn some bjj. The instructor is a black belt and wanted to show him some moves, so they shook hands and went to the mat. The boxer knocked the instructor out with a single punch.
You sure this guy is black belt in Judo ?? 00:36 - Yoko Guruma , 00:55 - Ude Garami , 01:04 - Juji Gatame , 01:30 -Kimura , 02:46 - Uchi Mata , 03:30 - Bull dog choke , 04:06 Kami Shiho Gatame , 04:16 - Yoko Shiho Gatame ... too many opportunities presented itself
Kenny was being very nice to me. That is not lost on me. But I like playing in his world. Its always an insightful experience.
@@brianbassir6453 ok brilliant , nice , well done thank you Brian
How was your shoulder ?! Looked like he yanked it out of the socket. Jesus christ lol
Whenever I went to a BJJ gym I always told them my background. The last place I went to said they were waiting/hoping I'd say something because I showed up in an Adidas double weave and taped up my fingers before warmups
In competitions if you were belted in Judo or a state high school wrestler you have to automatically goto blue belt division
It’s never about the color of belt it’s about believing in yourself how you want to apply the moves to beat your opponent.
that dude is str8 sturdy
When my friend (do Muay his whole life) go inside Karate dojo for School extracurricular activity because the school doesn't have muay, he's white belt too, but his kick still break a bone.
I remember a white belt in our class was 10kg heavyweight than me “I was a 3 stripe whitey at the time” we slapped hands and I felt something under my arm so I looked down and could see the fan on the roof, was like what’s the roof doing in the floor. Hit the ground like a ton of dicks and got sun via kimura. He was a brown belt on the aus olympic team
He is not a bjj white belt, his knowledge of newaza is above blue belt level and he definitely has the standing up game.. for sure a solid purple belt level.. if not brown belt.. it’s like saying a bjj black belt is a judo white belt practitioner.. a bjj black belt will clean the floor with all low level judo belts.. he or she will start having trouble with judo brown belts.. the techniques are the same, the applications different but still same techniques..
@@tatumergo3931 that’s exactly what judo is, Kano jujutsu.. bjj is Brazilian jujutsu.. became jiujitsu due to the Portuguese accent.. both use the same pedagogical approach that Kano introduced into the Japanese martial arts.. which is what differentiates them from classic Japanese jujutsu.. but still same techniques different applications, different solutions to the same questions..
That because that white belt has quite a bit of judo behind him🤣 well played Mr Judo.
0:44 amazing instinct
Nice gym, lots of mat space 👀 👏
I like that sick throw at the beginning and once it hits the ground he's like 'uh oh'.
Hi. I’m interested in learning martial arts. Which martial art has the best balance of offence and defence? I’m not knowledgeable on this.
As someone who admittedly knows nothing about Judo or BJJ, does this mean Judo is more effective? Or just this practitioner is just too good?
"Just go for the legs" I have heard that one more than a trillion times... Judo is such a fantastic art - Wrestling judoka that does bjj for relaxation
Posture is important when fighting Judo players always try to stand upright, and avoid bending over too much unless you're fishing for a drop technique like drop knee seionage or firemans carry (1st degree bb Judo 10 years of experience)
At 40 i joined taekwondo with my son. I was the white belt with 20 years of wing chun/jkd under his belt. I was so suprised at how many belt colors didn't take me seriously only to sulk off the mats saying " i lost to a fn white belt"
Open for debate:
What division in a tournament would you have a white belt enter with training Jiujitsu less than a year, a black belt in Judo and an amateur collegiate style wrestler?
In Japan, judokas were not allowed to compete in bjj tournaments till they got to blue belt because they would have sandbagged the white belt tournaments lol
@@somethingdifferent6719 that seems fair. Even at blue belt they would be a handful.
I know a bb in judo and when he came to our gym was immediately handed a blue belt because it literally wouldn't have been fair on the other whitebelts lol
Ya to me, a black belt in judo is immediately a beast of a blue belt. Starting at white belt just seems “wrong”
@@somethingdifferent6719 I don't remember that being the case with our judoka dude in our old gym, but I could be wrong
You can see how the judo guy has control of his center balance
BJJ rarely never do takedowns or counters. They are novice. Newaza or mat is their specialty.
Definitely not all white belts are the same
Also impressive he had on one those gigantic heavy as f old double weave judo gi. You don't see those anymore. All blue/ red lable gis are really light and a sleeker fit now(probably bjj influence idk).