Just wanted to say thanks for introducing viewers like me to Jawa. I recently sold a couple AMD GPUs to them and (including a few days shipping time) got the money in about 3 business days - much quicker than when I sold an RTX card on eBay. Sure, you can potentially get more if you’re willing to wait for a listing to sell (both on Jawa and eBay) but in this case getting the money quickly really helped, especially before the holidays.
4060 Ti 16gb is only the 4060 that is worth anything so you should've used it here, the regular 4060 might as well not exist as the 4060ti 16gb is what the card shouldve released as.
i am more interested to see what AMD will doo, intel has set 1440p as base line now nvidia doesnt give a f but amd does, there is a chance that amd will push a really good 1440p card in sub 300-350
3 years late, right before the next gen launch. Honestly I'm not sure if they played their hand right or not. On the one hand, they just secured a bunch of impulse Xmass buyers, on the other hand I think they misplayed the longer game and are about to have their asses handed to them in Q1. If they knew they won't compete with the upcoming gen, this was the correct move. If they are truly competent as you all say, then why play your hand for some holiday sales? It will take 2 cards merely $10 undercutting Intel's equivalents to completely shut them out of the competition apart from the minority of loyal fanboys that will buy these cards no matter what we argue here right now. If you ate the hype for battlemage, then even sniffing half the hype for rx8k should make you really worried about this situation.
@@meusana3681 of course they won’t be competing with the next gen, they’re barely even competing with the current gen cards, that’s why they’re targeting this lower price point where AMD and especially Nvidia have largely ignored the customer base in favor of raising prices and focusing on the higher end of their product lines. I highly doubt Nvidia will be willing to undercut the B580’s price point with this upcoming gen of cards, this is way too late to make a drastic decrease in the MSRP of the 5060 unless Nvidia already planned for it to be only around $300, which would be very surprising considering the 4060’s launch price. AMD might try and undercut Intel since they’ve already said that they were giving up on competing at the high end for the 8000 series and focusing on the low and mid range which is right where Intel is trying to break into the market
What’s most encouraging about Intel is the leaps they’ve made from last generation to this one. There is nothing wrong with this card; it will compete where it can and is hardly a failure.
@@meusana3681 you are making a bunch of assumptions for the products that AMD or Nvidia will deliver. Nvidia has been repacking older products with no vram on the 4060 package and not once have they officially lower prices in any product line, quite the opposite. Nothing on the AMD side seems to be launching any time soon in the price point, and the 8800xt will likely be overpriced because they always mess up the price points. Let's add that all low tier cards tend to launch 6 to 12 months behind. Intel launched exactly where it needed to be taking in consideration that it is a late generational product.
Edit: AMD comparison video is published now: th-cam.com/video/6f1wNLfCSKQ/w-d-xo.html Looks like timestamps are working now, but I'll leave these here anyway in case anyone wants them as a comment. Not sure why my timestamps aren't working, but here they are as a comment: 0:00 Intro 1:01 Check out Jawa! Amazing marketplace for PC components 2:33 Intel claimed 10% faster than the 4060... but only at 1440p Ultra native res 3:03 What about the 3060? 3:52 8GB is definitely a real issue even at 1080p (video of texture popping on 4060) 5:11 It's important to test settings besides ultra 5:39 Summary of B580 vs 3060 relative performance in 60 benchmarks 6:33 Summary of B580 vs 4060 relative performance in 60 benchmarks 8:28 A closer look at the games and settings that I tested in the chart 8:54 A note on my upscaling testing- DLSS Quality=XeSS Ultra Quality resolution 9:29 A note on my raytracing testing 9:53 Why Intel's testing may not represent actual use cases 10:16 1440p Only- B580 vs 4060 (some results include upscaling) 11:12 I've noticed the 4060 gets a larger performance boost from upscaling 11:55 1080p Only- B580 vs 4060 12:47 Just ray tracing B580 vs 4060 14:38 Summary of thoughts so far 15:18 The B580 definitely offers better value for performance, but 15:50 Did I have driver issues? Yes, but 3 out of 4 are already fixed 18:05 The one driver issue that has not yet been solved (Indiana Jones) 20:13 What are my overall thoughts on drivers- how concerned should you be? 23:08 So are we going to do all the side by sides? YES! So this will be a long video... 23:46 Final Fantasy 16 1080p Medium 23:56 Final Fantasy 16 1080p Ultra 24:10 Final Fantasy 16 1080p Low 24:23 Final Fantasy 16 1440p Low w/upscale 24:42 Sidenote- most games I tested happened to have XeSS! Cool! 24:55 Final Fantasy 16 1440p Ultra with upscale 25:12 Indiana Jones 1080p Ultra 25:28 Indiana Jones 1080p Medium 25:44 Indiana Jones 1440p Ultra with upscale 26:06 Indiana Jones 1440p Medium 26:30 Indiana Jones 1440p Medium with upscale 26:53 Dragon Age 1080p Ultra with RT 27:05 Dragon Age 1080p Ultra 27:25 Dragon Age 1080p Medium 27:48 Dragon Age 1440p Ultra with RT and Upscale 28:02 Dragon Age 1440p Ultra 28:17 Dragon Age 1440p Ultra with Upscale 28:42 Dragon Age 1440p Medium 28:52 Dragon Age 1440p Medium with Upscale 29:23 God of War 1080p Ultra 29:37 God of War 1080p Medium 29:52 God of War 1440p Ultra 30:05 God of War 1440p Ultra with upscale 30:18 God of War 1440p Medium 30:29 God of War 1440p medium with upscale 30:52 Ghost of Tsushima 1080p very high 31:05 Ghost of Tsushima 1080p Medium 31:16 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High 31:33 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High with upscale 31:51 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Medium 32:03 Silent Hill 2 1080p Epic RT On 32:30 Silent Hill 2 1080p Epic 32:42 Silent Hill 2 1080p Medium 32:57 Silent Hill 2 1080p Low 33:22 Silent Hill 2 1440p Epic with RT and Upscale 33:47 Silent Hill 2 1440p Epic with upscale 34:02 Silent Hill 2 1440p Medium with upscale 34:18 Silent Hill 2 1440p Low with upscale 34:36 Silent Hill 2 1440p Low 34:54 Hellblade 2 1080p High 35:17 Hellblade 2 1080p medium 35:43 Hellblade 2 1440p High 36:05 Hellblade 2 1440p High with upscale 36:25 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium 36:42 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium with upscale 36:58 Horizon FW 1080p Very High 37:18 Horizon FW 1080p Medium 37:32 Horizon FW 1440p Very High 37:48 Horizon FW 1440p Very High with upscale 38:11 Horizon FW 1440p Medium 38:22 Horizon FW 1440p Medium with upscale 38:48 Avatar 1080p Ultra 39:08 Avatar 1080p Medium 39:16 Avatar 1440p Ultra 39:28 Avatar 1440p Ultra with Upscale 39:40 Avatar 1440p Med w/upscale 40:11 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra w/RT reflections 40:42 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra w/RT reflections w/upscale 40:59 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra 41:18 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra w/RT reflections w/upscale 41:38 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra 41:53 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra w/upscale 42:08 CoD Black Ops 6 1080p Basic 42:23 CoD Black Ops 6 1440p Basic 42:35 CoD Black Ops 6 1440p Basic w/upscale 42:54 Final Thoughts 43:38 BUT WHAT ABOUT AMD GPUS!??!?! 44:13 full side by sides available for channel members 44:26 Don't forget to check out Jawa!
@@DBTHEPLUG bro it's slower than b580 , and it's an old GPU , I am not going to buy that graphics card any day , 50 series is launching , who will buy 30 series, 2 gen old GPU , atleast I am not , Nvidia is just a ---- brand , let's hope for the best for 50 series , 12 gb vram is must in 5060
Finally an entry level/mainsteam card for under $250 msrp that has the crucial 12gb of Vram and performs well at 1440p. An extremely rare Intel Win, and they deserve to be rewarded and praised for moving the ball forward in the neglected budget department.
you are right, the intel A750 8GB video card costs 300 dollars on the market, and the B580 video card with 12 GB of memory will cost 250 dollars... logic has left the chat...
@@asocial.element You realize that is because all the MSRP and near MSRP cards have been selling out constantly since launch due to overwhelming demand, right? Intel has already confirmed recently that the demand greatly exceeded their expectation, and that they are going to keep resupplying every week. If I had to guess Battlemage is selling at an exponentially higher rate than Alchemist, so Intel didn't want to overproduce initially and be left having to discount their cards significantly from launch msrp (like what happened with Alchemist). This is their first successful Gpu ever, so they couldn't have known it would reach this level of success. If they are smart then they will ramp up production drastically for the next few months, and then maybe there is a chance that it won't be out of stock constantly. Intel is not usually smart though, so the best bet is to be frequently keeping an eye on the major retailers to see when $250-$270 models are restocked, so that one can get one before others and the scalpers come in.
Cheap advertisement intel bots repeating the same lines all over youtube and reddit: 12gb;1440p;250$, but guess what this GPU is too weak for 1440p and actually cost 400$
Intel can't afford bots, they are nearly broke. I have been an Intel hater for years, since I despise their monopoly in mobile cpu's for years, despite being worse than Zen and much less efficient.. (I finally got an Amd Cpu with the solid Zen 4 Phoenix 7840HS). I also think Alchemist was pretty dog. That being said though it's clear as day that the B580 is one of the best and most important cards in many a year for budget/entry level/mainsteam dgpu, hitting the crucial $250 price point with the all important 12gb of Vram. I am mainly a gaming laptop guy, and the reliable leaks are that the mobile 5070 will STILL be 8gb in 2025.. So thats 1500+ laptops that are basically D.O.A. So I am grateful for Intel helping move the ball forward, since Nvidia certainly won't, cause of their policy of planned obsolescence by purposely gimping on Vram.
WTF Intel actually got a good value card with decent driver? I kinda expect something, somewhere to have a gotcha, but B580 is just good value. If Intel got this out 6 months, no like... maybe even 3 months ago, it would have been a killer! I suspect Battlemage launch window is too close to next generation from NVIDIA and AMD at this point, but still, good job Intel.
What you mean decent? They have always been good for triple A games, but play something like an old Steam game like Super Meat Boy and nobody helps you.
And that's not the worse place as far as vram usage goes for ff16, forbidden west, Stalker2, Indiana Jones, and the list will constinue to grow, 8gb of vram even at 1080 is dead on arrival for 2025..
WHAT? I mean, what are you smoking bro? Indiana Jones will fk this card up at 1080p before touching 8gb of VRAM. Yall out here pretending that upgrading in 4gb vram is gonna match your cards with 4090s. In 2024 currently Q4, all optimized games run at around 6-8gb VRAM at 1080p, 8-10gb at 1440p, and 12-16gb at 4k. Tested at max settings native across 12 games. With proper framegen (which is the true future here) you can drop it significantly more. So please let's not allow developers to push out shit like indanna jones just because you fanbois want to force the narrative of 12gb cards that cant use them. We don't need 12gb mid range cards, we need devs to stop selling $70 single assets, and start making their games playable like we used to have in this industry for the past 20 years.
@meusana3681 The writing is up there in the wall for the past year, but no one is forcing you, if you can accept lowering textures settings out of your brand new $300-$400 card, and just moaning about optimization to game devs then go ahead buy one, i know i won't.
Yeah, all these noobs thinking that the industry is gonna slow down so they can play without headaches with their 2016's 8gb buffer are ignorant of how this works, or dellusional, they wanna hold to the belief that Nvidia sold them a good and durable card, even though they were warned about It. This is the same manufacturer that cheated everybody with the 3.5 + .5gb 970, and made vram gimped cards before, like the 3gb 1060, the 2gb 960, the 6gb RTX 2060, and the abominable 8gb 3060 ti and 3070's.
Drivers: Indiana Jones needed a driver update for my 4070S before it would start. And they aren't trying to catch up on all the other existing games. Maybe not an excuse, and future support comparisons would be useful, but not being perfect for a game that launched one day before compared to the competition isn't that scary (yet).
These "driver issues" you pointed out seem so insignificant. Especially when compared to just trying to get some games to run on Windows at all... I ordered an A770 that'll be here today. I can't wait to try it out my first non-AMD/Nvidia GPU ever!
I'm glad Intel has stuck with Arc and optimised its hardware and dramatically continued to improve it's drivers! I'm sooo impressed with Intel's improvements to it's gpu devision that I've pulled the plug on buying an Intel Limited Edition B580 to play and tinker with on another pc in addition to my monster gaming and production rig.
It's not intel's fault game dev haven't tested their gpu on their games. Just a tragedy, maybe the game will recognize the A and B series GPU in the future.
Considering how much the previous generation Arc cards improved with updates its reasonable to assume that before long these cards will eventually have similar performance to 4060 ti.
Great work Daniel. Really good data sets! Good follow through on the patches and updating the results. Just good stuff man! This is branching into the more seasoned PC hardware viewer content and you nailed it.
It looks like the driver issues were under that category "hard to catch with automated testing". If the "GPU health stats" look fine but there is visual flickering or other artifacts then an automated test suite is going to be none the wiser. But these things are typically easy to fix. This is a lot better than the Alchemist launch situation, and Intel does seem to be hellbent on sticking with it until they have beat their driver stack into submission. I'd like to see a "30 days post launch" re-review with a massive game test. Not necessarily benchmarks. Just "will it run right" of, say, the 50 most popular games on Steam.
Honestly I could see the b580 getting better with time. It has a lot going for it and I completely agree a 1 month / 6 month / 1 year videos would be awesome to see
Given that Nvidia is already using mature drivers and the improvements that intel previously achieved as their drivers matured, I'm really impressed, can't wait to see the performance on the B770
Man, I got too excited already and checked prices... at minimum 330 Euros in Germany kills all the enthusiasm. :( For the $250 in the US I'd be super tempted. I really hope EU prices get a littlev more realistic, below 300 this is a sweet deal and hopefully puts some pressure on nVidia too, not just AMD - but I'm afraid nVidia is still shrugging it off because people will keep buying green anyway.
@@IcyTorment Supply does as well, and some retailers try to play cute with "the added value of it being new", but once things settle down (and you don't shop the stupid places) the European prices are generally "exchange rate + VAT".
Finally, there is the perfect GPU for 5600G buyers, who wanted to buy a 40 series card without bottlenecking, but they got a 4060 8gb, going to a 4060Ti or 7700XT will bottleneck the CPU, this is much powerful than a 4060 with 12GB VRAM, perfect successor to a 3060 12GB
@@lharsay that does not mean anything. Those cards are never going to be able to achieve any performance on high resolutions and high settings needed for them to overburden the cpu. You clearly don't know how bottlenecking works.
@@nolejd50 3070 or 4060Ti or 7700XT they can't ruj at 99-100% with 5600g, Cpu usage will be more than 60% and gpu usage will be 70-80% if you want to play at 1080 max fps possible That's a bottleneck
Chapter: 0:00 Intro 1:01 Check out Jawa! Amazing marketplace for PC components 2:33 Intel claimed 10% faster than the 4060... but only at 1440p Ultra native res 3:03 What about the 3060? 3:52 8GB is definitely a real issue even at 1080p (video of texture popping on 4060) 5:11 It's important to test settings besides ultra 5:39 Summary of B580 vs 3060 relative performance in 60 benchmarks 6:33 Summary of B580 vs 4060 relative performance in 60 benchmarks 8:28 A closer look at the games and settings that I tested in the chart 8:54 A note on my upscaling testing- DLSS Quality=XeSS Ultra Quality resolution 9:29 A note on my raytracing testing 9:53 Why Intel's testing may not represent actual use cases 10:16 1440p Only- B580 vs 4060 (some results include upscaling) 11:12 I've noticed the 4060 gets a larger performance boost from upscaling 11:55 1080p Only- B580 vs 4060 12:47 Just ray tracing B580 vs 4060 14:38 Summary of thoughts so far 15:18 The B580 definitely offers better value for performance, but 15:50 Did I have driver issues? Yes, but 3 out of 4 are already fixed 18:05 The one driver issue that has not yet been solved (Indiana Jones) 20:13 What are my overall thoughts on drivers- how concerned should you be? 23:08 So are we going to do all the side by sides? YES! So this will be a long video... 23:46 Final Fantasy 16 1080p Medium 23:56 Final Fantasy 16 1080p Ultra 24:10 Final Fantasy 16 1080p Low 24:23 Final Fantasy 16 1440p Low w/upscale 24:42 Sidenote- most games I tested happened to have XeSS! Cool! 24:55 Final Fantasy 16 1440p Ultra with upscale 25:12 Indiana Jones 1080p Ultra 25:28 Indiana Jones 1080p Medium 25:44 Indiana Jones 1440p Ultra with upscale 26:06 Indiana Jones 1440p Medium 26:30 Indiana Jones 1440p Medium with upscale 26:53 Dragon Age 1080p Ultra with RT 27:05 Dragon Age 1080p Ultra 27:25 Dragon Age 1080p Medium 27:48 Dragon Age 1440p Ultra with RT and Upscale 28:02 Dragon Age 1440p Ultra 28:17 Dragon Age 1440p Ultra with Upscale 28:42 Dragon Age 1440p Medium 28:52 Dragon Age 1440p Medium with Upscale 29:23 God of War 1080p Ultra 29:37 God of War 1080p Medium 29:52 God of War 1440p Ultra 30:05 God of War 1440p Ultra with upscale 30:18 God of War 1440p Medium 30:29 God of War 1440p medium with upscale 30:52 Ghost of Tsushima 1080p very high 31:05 Ghost of Tsushima 1080p Medium 31:16 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High 31:33 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High with upscale 31:51 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Medium 32:03 Silent Hill 2 1080p Epic RT On 32:30 Silent Hill 2 1080p Epic 32:42 Silent Hill 2 1080p Medium 32:57 Silent Hill 2 1080p Low 33:22 Silent Hill 2 1440p Epic with RT and Upscale 33:47 Silent Hill 2 1440p Epic with upscale 34:02 Silent Hill 2 1440p Medium with upscale 34:18 Silent Hill 2 1440p Low with upscale 34:36 Silent Hill 2 1440p Low 34:54 Hellblade 2 1080p High 35:17 Hellblade 2 1080p medium 35:43 Hellblade 2 1440p High 36:05 Hellblade 2 1440p High with upscale 36:25 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium 36:42 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium with upscale 36:58 Horizon FW 1080p Very High 37:18 Horizon FW 1080p Medium 37:32 Horizon FW 1440p Very High 37:48 Horizon FW 1440p Very High with upscale 38:11 Horizon FW 1440p Medium 38:22 Horizon FW 1440p Medium with upscale 38:48 Avatar 1080p Ultra 39:08 Avatar 1080p Medium 39:16 Avatar 1440p Ultra 39:28 Avatar 1440p Ultra with Upscale 39:40 Avatar 1440p Med w/upscale 40:11 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra w/RT reflections 40:42 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra w/RT reflections w/upscale 40:59 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra 41:18 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra w/RT reflections w/upscale 41:38 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra 41:53 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra w/upscale 42:08 CoD Black Ops 6 1080p Basic 42:23 CoD Black Ops 6 1440p Basic 42:35 CoD Black Ops 6 1440p Basic w/upscale 42:54 Final Thoughts 43:38 BUT WHAT ABOUT AMD GPUS!??!?! 44:13 full side by sides available for channel members 44:26 Don't forget to check out Jawa!
To any expert here: I’m trying to build a machine for the upcoming MonsterHunter on like 1080p. I was leaning towards a 4060 but do you think I should consider a B580 or would I *have* to buy a more expensive card? I’m okay with medium settings I just want a playable experience…
Monster Huntor Wilds system requirements mention 4060/6700XT for 1080p Medium 60FPS WITH FRAME GENERATION. That's stupid, unless Medium looks insanely good. The requirements for 1080p Low 30FPS with upscaling (yikes!) are also quite high. Honestly, I'd wait for the game to release and then see what the final performance looks like. That also gives you more time to save up....
My personal suspicion is that the new MH game will probably have a setting available for 8GB VRAM card, but that would probably work like Indiana Jones and Texture goes all the way down. I would get B580 or just wait for next gen, since I am not sure MH will try to get medium texture work on 8GB VRAM card, they will probably just go with playable auto/low setting and call it a day.
I have RX 6750 XT and i5-12400f. I played the MH Wilds Open Beta, and I reached 50+ fps at 1440p with XeSS Balanced, everything at low settings (except Textures and Mesh Quality, which both were at their highest settings). I sometimes drop to 30+ fps, but those were spikes happening from time to time. I did not try 1080p, but I assume with my specs, I could have possibly reached 60+ fps. But I'm sure the official game will be a bit more optimized, so performance should be better once released.
Both the game developers and graphics card manufacturers work together to identify and fix such issues, blaming drivers alone isn't the way of the Jedi.
The driver issues might be the thing that scares me away when they release their upper tier GPUs. Not that I’m big on playing older games I’ve already beaten, but it’s nice knowing that if I wanted to it just works.
25:21 3060 is 54% faster than 4060... (mind that Daniel didn't properly present numbers for 1% lows; 4060 has 17fps not 41 and 3060 has 51 not 35) I can't wait for 5060. Can't wait to see that 3060 is only 50% faster in this benchmark.
I've actually seen the Indiana Jones bug (with GPU utilization) before with an A770! Not with Indiana, mind you - it was Halo MCC for me. It was a bug that always appeared if I looked a specific way, regardless of where I was on the map. Impacted multiplayer (like, other players) too, as server connection was impacted! They did eventually fix it, so I've no doubt they'll fix it again, but I suspect it'll be an issue that pops up occasionally. Maybe not in a game-by-game basis, but a generation-by-generation issue. At least till they change whatever component is the root cause.
I already have an ARC a770 16GB, so I won't buy an B580. But if anyone has a 3050 8GB or below, buy it. It works great. And there are quite a few TH-camers that make content with ARC. So if you want to see if your game runs on it, ask these creators(or me) to benchmark them. But maybe LTT, GN or Hardware Unboxed will make more game Benchmarks.
Daniel, when you show relative performance in the bottom left you should try to always use the same card as the base 100 % even if that means you'll get a result under 100 %. The way you did is confusing when you look quickly.
I run an RX480 8GB from release through to replacement with an RTX3060 12gb, that was the only RTX car in budget that had more VRAM than my previous card released 5 years earlier. They only put 12GB on the 3060 because they knew they would never get away with 6GB so they were forced into 12GB or would have to change the memory bus. They later put out a gimped 8GB 3060 with less memory bandwidth and looks like the 4060 was based on the same gimped version. I really hope the 5060 is 8GB, might be what breaks their stranglehold on gamer focused GPU. Will be interesting to see the higher spec intel cards tbh
One thing you failed to mention in both this video and your last video is the power efficiency of both cards. The B580 and the 4060 seem suck significantly less wattage out the wall, which is quite interesting. Especially the B580 seems to just take small sips for what youre getting. Very impressive.
My main concern with the Intel cards is whether or not they have support for older games. Like will it play Final Fantasy XI for example? That game struggles to even run on some Nvidia Laptops.
The B580 is a great addition to the current market, I'm more interested in how it could affect the pricing of other gpus, particularly AMD ones. For people outside of the US, we have to pay big premiums (import taxes) for any product above 200 dollars, as such the rx 7600 is %50+ more expensive than the rx 6600 while delivering a %20~ performance uplift (not really worth it right?). Maybe the B580's and B570's launch will make some AMD gpus drop down in price and become a great deal for those on a budget outside of the US.
@seeibe that sucks, I'm from Colombia and as such I buy all my pc parts on amazon, where I can find them at their appropriate pricing, but as stated due to import taxes all gpus above 200 usd have a worse performance/cost value
@paradoxeintervention5390 that is if one is lucky indeed, every card that retails above 200 dollars has a very inflated price within the used market of my country, there are definitely some good offers here and there but the cheapest one can find an used rx 6700xt is $285~. Therefore most of the time you're getting better value out of a brand new rx 6600 (for those in my country ofx)
I've had driver issues with both AMD and nVidia in the past. That's just graphics cards. It sounds like this Intel card has way more headroom to improve over time seeing how it trounces nVidia at higher settings. nVidia really need to step up their game, they're just not competitive.
Same, I had a lot of issues with my 2070 them I got a 6800xt and had some but not as many. Now I have a 7900xtx and the only issue I have found is some directX 12 games like crashing.
Would be good to categorize driver problems somehow. There is a huge range of severity. At worst, a game flat out doesn't run. That's pretty severe. The grass flicker was bad, but not as severe as not running. Then something like the reduced FPS and lower than expected GPU utilization, given that it was not a super huge percent loss, was minor from a user perspective. So I'm glad you discussed what the problems actually were. When you first mentioned it, I assumed Indiana Jones flat out didn't run, but it wasn't nearly that bad. They should still fix it, of course.
Thank you Daniel to compare the B580 against the 3060. I have a EVGA RTX 3060 12GB (12G-P5-3657-KR) and UV & OC it to ~2100 MHz (GPU & VRAM) at max 1012 mV. So if I look at your results, mit card should be in many cases on the similar level as the B580. Maybe it will change in a few months, if the Intel drivers and games are more optimized.
My 3060 12G is still the heavyweight underdog. It delivers well and that huge 12G feels satisfying whenever texture heavy games such as FFXV, Dragon Dogma 2(not RDR2 btw) actually utilise the muscle. And being a rtx card you can get mods for frame generation in most games. Star Wars Survivors gives a good boost at all ultra 4k with frame generation on. It's not perfect obviously but it's decent. The 12G also helps if you run LLM models locally.
Oh man, I'm sure this video is great with lots of info but I'm 4 minutes in and I know more about Jawa than the Intel Arc.... I'm ground to find another video with less repetition in the script and less "filler". I don't know how many times I've heard the phrase "without spilling over" without seeing a resolution to the question I've heard 3-4 times. I feel like somewhere in the video I'm going to hear "stick around to the end of you want to see the statistics of the cards."
I know you mainly tested against the 3060 and 4060 but the thing is you could get a RX 6700 XT/6750 XT for about $320 new or $150 to $250 used which that GPU trades blows with the B580 which there is still that option and then you have for about $400 in the used market the RX 6800 which does better and also offers 16gb of Vram. Overall, i am just saying that there will always be better options out there and also the thing is that there are people that would buy an Nvidia GPU for more than just gaming because some applications that people would use for their work usually favors Nvidia more than any other GPU manufacture out there because of the Cuda Cores.
Hey Mr Owen, can we get a video on FF7 Rebirth PC requirements? I am super excited to hop back into the game again, and I want more people to know the PC version is coming out.
To all the people claiming Nvidia or AMD will sweep intel soon, both companies for the last few years have released their high end cards first amd waited until their sales numbers slowed before releasing their lower end variants. I think this is a great move for intel as we're poised to see the 5080s and the 8700xts. Not to mention this vram at this price point with the workstation performance can assure a lot of companies looking for a cheap gpu will have solid options.
You might be right, game developers might not even bother or minimal effort into optimizing for intel as low priority, thats a lot of work after catering for Nvidia and AMD / Sony.
The AIB models are 320 euro here in the Netherlands, you can get a 6700 XT for that exact same price. Really hope the LE launches at ~280 euro here else it’s not nearly as great of a deal as many are making it out to be.
Thx for all the testing and discussion work, Daniel. I noted that it seems the B580 also uses a bit less power than the 4060, but MUCH less power than the 3060 or the brief look at the AMD GPUs at the end, which is encouraging to see!
not its not Linus stated the card can pull up to 240w during certain games even considering intel claims the board tdp is 190w the 4060 is like 115w max load. Daniel noted in the vid the power usage isnt correct in msi afterburner bc they seperate vram and core wattage
@@PCandTech-tr8xt I'm curious on AI and workloads but a lot of the people that ask for this are gamers. Maybe Tech Notice might have a vid on that soon? Dunno.
The thing about the driver issues, i think its because the gpu is just releasing, while the games are are already released, its not the same for AMD and NVIDIA who already have their gpus released and the only work they have to do is just produce drivers. Intel has more work in their hands because intel came late to the party.
So it looks like you're 4060 mostly wins in 1080p and the B580 wins mostly in 1440p due to that extra memory. Although, I feel like there's more performance to be had in these cards. I don't think they're being pushed to their limit. Jay tested a board partner card with a much bigger cooler on it, including an extra fan, and his results were exactly the same. You never really see that nvidia FE vs board partner cards.
Intel still has a few driver updates left to improve the performance of their Battlemage GPUs. Nvidia's 3060 and 4060's peformance is mostly set in stone.
Intels GPU is set in stone. Like all of them. Updates don't change the product. They merely just fine tune things that have a LIMIT 🙄 Amazes me how people think you're getting a better GPU with time. GPU's have hard limits. Even overclocking has a limit. I can make a product that doesn't hit it's potential to the consumer BUT then drip feed them updates. And show them 5/10/15% improvements. Which is like 5/8/10/15 FPS at most 😆
Think there's a problem with the chapters not showing. Could be cuz you did "0:00" instead of "00:00" in the description but could be wrong on that front.
Sadly here in Spain the 4060 comes for 280 - 300€ and the new B580 starts at 320€, also any explanation why Sillent Hill 2 remake runs so bad on the new B580? i also heard theres also a bunch of games that doesent even include Xess like Alan Wake 2 a game that is likelly umplayable whitout upscaling.
intel and then ARM are jumping into GPU market. This is good for competition especially when NVIDIA has been putting up monopolistic prices. Create more confusion for consumers on what GPU to pick but thanks to reviewers like you in community they can have a easier time.
in Poland B580 (12g) / RTX3060 (12g) / RX7600XT (16g) costs the same, about $320 (in our country the prices are given with 23% tax), unfortunately this card does not change anything on the market, the situation is very similar in the rest of Europe good value? unfortunately intel is the worst, $250 msrp is not an aggressive price at all
she performs better than both, AMD is a joke as soon as she hears the word "Ray" the performance drops 60-80%, and the 3060 does not compete equally either. Intel draws and even beats the 4060 on ray tracing meaning their hardware is on par if not better for Ray tracing, your comment is a simple lack of knowledge.
@@Nobody-su9kmPeople tend to go for brands they are more familiar with, even if the more unfamiliar product is a bit better. And when most people think "gpu" they think nvidia or amd. Intel needs to undercut its competitors by more than this, especially considering it will have to compete with the 5060 and 8600xt soon.
@Nobody-su9km even talking about RT with a 250-300$ is just plain dumb. No one has the slightest bit of concern with ray tracing when their buying a 1080p card plain and simple. If ur beating the other card by 10fps with RT on and their both getting below 30fps it doesnt even matter because their both useless at that point. Majority of people will buy Nvidia or amd over Intel just for the sake of knowing their going to be able to play their new games 95% of the time at launch and not have to wait for multiple driver updates over the next few weeks to be able to play. It's no different then last time, they had the hardware where they wanted but their drivers are going to be trash again. most people don't want to pay money to be a test dummy again.
@@mattblyther5426 Ray tracing is the future you don't have to be talking about it, it's like saying you are not talking about shaders. You simply a revisionist with no actual knowledge on the subject.
Intel caught the ball AMD keep dropping? Compared to the A series launch the B series has some minor graphics glitches that will get patched. I'd love to know the amount of people intel staff compared to AMD and NV to work on the drivers. Pretty sure it would be smaller and they are doing a good job fixing issues, the direction is positive.
remember when a midrange (60 class cards are arguably entry now) card could play a modern triple A title at ultra 1080p 60fps with no upscaling.... Pepperidge farm remembers.
This has a lot of potential, it does RT well, XeSS is awesome, the price x performance is superb... I really hope they release a more power version that can handle 4K, I would definitely buy it.
The idle power of the B580 negates the price difference between the two cards QUICKLY and eventually will be more expensive. The fact that the largest part of the target consumer base for cheap GPUs are all running old systems, the B580s ReBar requirement misses the mark. Once you factor in Intel's issues with older games and its still subpar drivers, it is not a winner this time around. Improvement? Hell yes. Good? Hell yes. But sorry, not this time. The 4060 is still a better buy. Intel still has work to do but at least it seems as if they are serious about wanting a part of the market.
The problem is upscale quality and Driver issues. I believe Intel Arc can catch up for sure.... But it's still too soon to move away from nvidia. People who work on a budget that want good performance to punch ratio should no doubt try Arc GPU'S
Imagine Nvidia releases a new feature exclusive for the 50 series in which VRAM is not a problem any more even on the highest possible settings RTX 5060 8GB 👀
The extra VRAM is the real winner. But when it comes to upscaling Nvidia is untouchable. How that will end up going long-term for performance to cost ratio is anyone's guess.
This is also timed perfectly. I recently sold my i7 9th Gen 2070s to my brother. There wasn't really an upgrade option since the cpu socket died with that Gen and anything else wasn't really worth it since I'd also have to upgrade my psu to go to a newer card just to bottleneck at the cpu. But since the b580 doesn't use more power than the 2070s I can now upgrade that pc a bit to keep it around longer. I'll still bottleneck I'm sure but it's an upgrade path that didn't exist before.
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4060 Ti 16gb is only the 4060 that is worth anything so you should've used it here, the regular 4060 might as well not exist as the 4060ti 16gb is what the card shouldve released as.
@@BattleBrotherCasten I'm comparing by price point. The 4060 ti 16gb costs around $450. It makes no sense as a direct comparison.
Where you find the B580 for $250. Everywhere I look its $400
"OH MY GOD! INTEL IS LATE!!!!! IT WILL BE DEMOLISHD BY THE 5060!"
No, it won't if it costs twice as much and has 8gb VRAM!
there won't be any affordable 5060 soon as china stops nvidia factories in response to e-vehicles sanctions
Nvidia will launch 5060 at 250 dollars with 12 gb vram
Changing the board design to fit 12gb takes too long for Nvidia.
It's more likely they'll double it up to 16gb to repeat the hilarity of the 3060.
@@hirakchatterjee5240 nope and its sad
i am more interested to see what AMD will doo, intel has set 1440p as base line now nvidia doesnt give a f but amd does, there is a chance that amd will push a really good 1440p card in sub 300-350
So intel actually deliver a competent card for the price point. I must say I am happy with this.
3 years late, right before the next gen launch.
Honestly I'm not sure if they played their hand right or not. On the one hand, they just secured a bunch of impulse Xmass buyers, on the other hand I think they misplayed the longer game and are about to have their asses handed to them in Q1. If they knew they won't compete with the upcoming gen, this was the correct move. If they are truly competent as you all say, then why play your hand for some holiday sales? It will take 2 cards merely $10 undercutting Intel's equivalents to completely shut them out of the competition apart from the minority of loyal fanboys that will buy these cards no matter what we argue here right now.
If you ate the hype for battlemage, then even sniffing half the hype for rx8k should make you really worried about this situation.
@@meusana3681 of course they won’t be competing with the next gen, they’re barely even competing with the current gen cards, that’s why they’re targeting this lower price point where AMD and especially Nvidia have largely ignored the customer base in favor of raising prices and focusing on the higher end of their product lines. I highly doubt Nvidia will be willing to undercut the B580’s price point with this upcoming gen of cards, this is way too late to make a drastic decrease in the MSRP of the 5060 unless Nvidia already planned for it to be only around $300, which would be very surprising considering the 4060’s launch price. AMD might try and undercut Intel since they’ve already said that they were giving up on competing at the high end for the 8000 series and focusing on the low and mid range which is right where Intel is trying to break into the market
What’s most encouraging about Intel is the leaps they’ve made from last generation to this one.
There is nothing wrong with this card; it will compete where it can and is hardly a failure.
@@meusana3681 you are making a bunch of assumptions for the products that AMD or Nvidia will deliver. Nvidia has been repacking older products with no vram on the 4060 package and not once have they officially lower prices in any product line, quite the opposite. Nothing on the AMD side seems to be launching any time soon in the price point, and the 8800xt will likely be overpriced because they always mess up the price points. Let's add that all low tier cards tend to launch 6 to 12 months behind. Intel launched exactly where it needed to be taking in consideration that it is a late generational product.
@@meusana3681 Nvidia is never selling their upcoming cards at this price. It just wont happen
Thanks for the great videos maestro! 🤗
Wow that’s crazy dude! $250 !! Now Daniel can take his wife out to nice restaurant and get lucky at the end of the night!
@@rickflare6893 Thats not us dollar. He tipt ~ 7 dollars
@@Inversible100 thats alot bro. $7 is 1 month of salary for me. sigh.
I love america
Edit: AMD comparison video is published now: th-cam.com/video/6f1wNLfCSKQ/w-d-xo.html
Looks like timestamps are working now, but I'll leave these here anyway in case anyone wants them as a comment.
Not sure why my timestamps aren't working, but here they are as a comment:
0:00 Intro
1:01 Check out Jawa! Amazing marketplace for PC components
2:33 Intel claimed 10% faster than the 4060... but only at 1440p Ultra native res
3:03 What about the 3060?
3:52 8GB is definitely a real issue even at 1080p (video of texture popping on 4060)
5:11 It's important to test settings besides ultra
5:39 Summary of B580 vs 3060 relative performance in 60 benchmarks
6:33 Summary of B580 vs 4060 relative performance in 60 benchmarks
8:28 A closer look at the games and settings that I tested in the chart
8:54 A note on my upscaling testing- DLSS Quality=XeSS Ultra Quality resolution
9:29 A note on my raytracing testing
9:53 Why Intel's testing may not represent actual use cases
10:16 1440p Only- B580 vs 4060 (some results include upscaling)
11:12 I've noticed the 4060 gets a larger performance boost from upscaling
11:55 1080p Only- B580 vs 4060
12:47 Just ray tracing B580 vs 4060
14:38 Summary of thoughts so far
15:18 The B580 definitely offers better value for performance, but
15:50 Did I have driver issues? Yes, but 3 out of 4 are already fixed
18:05 The one driver issue that has not yet been solved (Indiana Jones)
20:13 What are my overall thoughts on drivers- how concerned should you be?
23:08 So are we going to do all the side by sides? YES! So this will be a long video...
23:46 Final Fantasy 16 1080p Medium
23:56 Final Fantasy 16 1080p Ultra
24:10 Final Fantasy 16 1080p Low
24:23 Final Fantasy 16 1440p Low w/upscale
24:42 Sidenote- most games I tested happened to have XeSS! Cool!
24:55 Final Fantasy 16 1440p Ultra with upscale
25:12 Indiana Jones 1080p Ultra
25:28 Indiana Jones 1080p Medium
25:44 Indiana Jones 1440p Ultra with upscale
26:06 Indiana Jones 1440p Medium
26:30 Indiana Jones 1440p Medium with upscale
26:53 Dragon Age 1080p Ultra with RT
27:05 Dragon Age 1080p Ultra
27:25 Dragon Age 1080p Medium
27:48 Dragon Age 1440p Ultra with RT and Upscale
28:02 Dragon Age 1440p Ultra
28:17 Dragon Age 1440p Ultra with Upscale
28:42 Dragon Age 1440p Medium
28:52 Dragon Age 1440p Medium with Upscale
29:23 God of War 1080p Ultra
29:37 God of War 1080p Medium
29:52 God of War 1440p Ultra
30:05 God of War 1440p Ultra with upscale
30:18 God of War 1440p Medium
30:29 God of War 1440p medium with upscale
30:52 Ghost of Tsushima 1080p very high
31:05 Ghost of Tsushima 1080p Medium
31:16 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High
31:33 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High with upscale
31:51 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Medium
32:03 Silent Hill 2 1080p Epic RT On
32:30 Silent Hill 2 1080p Epic
32:42 Silent Hill 2 1080p Medium
32:57 Silent Hill 2 1080p Low
33:22 Silent Hill 2 1440p Epic with RT and Upscale
33:47 Silent Hill 2 1440p Epic with upscale
34:02 Silent Hill 2 1440p Medium with upscale
34:18 Silent Hill 2 1440p Low with upscale
34:36 Silent Hill 2 1440p Low
34:54 Hellblade 2 1080p High
35:17 Hellblade 2 1080p medium
35:43 Hellblade 2 1440p High
36:05 Hellblade 2 1440p High with upscale
36:25 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium
36:42 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium with upscale
36:58 Horizon FW 1080p Very High
37:18 Horizon FW 1080p Medium
37:32 Horizon FW 1440p Very High
37:48 Horizon FW 1440p Very High with upscale
38:11 Horizon FW 1440p Medium
38:22 Horizon FW 1440p Medium with upscale
38:48 Avatar 1080p Ultra
39:08 Avatar 1080p Medium
39:16 Avatar 1440p Ultra
39:28 Avatar 1440p Ultra with Upscale
39:40 Avatar 1440p Med w/upscale
40:11 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra w/RT reflections
40:42 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra w/RT reflections w/upscale
40:59 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra
41:18 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra w/RT reflections w/upscale
41:38 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra
41:53 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra w/upscale
42:08 CoD Black Ops 6 1080p Basic
42:23 CoD Black Ops 6 1440p Basic
42:35 CoD Black Ops 6 1440p Basic w/upscale
42:54 Final Thoughts
43:38 BUT WHAT ABOUT AMD GPUS!??!?!
44:13 full side by sides available for channel members
44:26 Don't forget to check out Jawa!
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Damn, nice summary!
Might be the "0:00" instead of "00:00".
Man cant believe they got almost 3070 performance at half the power consumption
I have 3070 and it is becominh complete sh*t. Performance of card is rly good but vram bottlenecks it way too much. It just sucks
AMD did it 4 years ago and you only surprised now?)
@@Солембум did what, retreat ?
please are you aware of what date intel might release the B750?
@@kasadam85 Rumors right now are there wont be 700 class cards.
Dude my exam is in 20 minutes let me cram in peace…
Good luck!
Good luck dude
Bro shouldn’t be checking his TH-cam feed 20 mins before 😂 but goodluck
Turn off your internet if you want to actually study.
Not good luck, Your cooked bro
Very very very happy to see 12 gigs of vram in the b580
And when nvidia does that it's "it needs to be 16 at least😡"
@DBTHEPLUG ok tell me which nvidia graphics card(latest) has 12 gigs of vram , at 249 dollars
And 192 bit bus
@@HorizonAkon 3060.
Stop trying to be smart by making the requirements in your favor.
And I was talking about the 5000 series.
@@DBTHEPLUG bro it's slower than b580 , and it's an old GPU , I am not going to buy that graphics card any day , 50 series is launching , who will buy 30 series, 2 gen old GPU , atleast I am not , Nvidia is just a ---- brand , let's hope for the best for 50 series , 12 gb vram is must in 5060
Finally an entry level/mainsteam card for under $250 msrp that has the crucial 12gb of Vram and performs well at 1440p. An extremely rare Intel Win, and they deserve to be rewarded and praised for moving the ball forward in the neglected budget department.
you are right, the intel A750 8GB video card costs 300 dollars on the market, and the B580 video card with 12 GB of memory will cost 250 dollars... logic has left the chat...
oh wait i found a b580 for 429 dollars... can you sell it to me for 250? i want to buy...
@@asocial.element You realize that is because all the MSRP and near MSRP cards have been selling out constantly since launch due to overwhelming demand, right? Intel has already confirmed recently that the demand greatly exceeded their expectation, and that they are going to keep resupplying every week. If I had to guess Battlemage is selling at an exponentially higher rate than Alchemist, so Intel didn't want to overproduce initially and be left having to discount their cards significantly from launch msrp (like what happened with Alchemist). This is their first successful Gpu ever, so they couldn't have known it would reach this level of success. If they are smart then they will ramp up production drastically for the next few months, and then maybe there is a chance that it won't be out of stock constantly. Intel is not usually smart though, so the best bet is to be frequently keeping an eye on the major retailers to see when $250-$270 models are restocked, so that one can get one before others and the scalpers come in.
Cheap advertisement intel bots repeating the same lines all over youtube and reddit: 12gb;1440p;250$, but guess what this GPU is too weak for 1440p and actually cost 400$
Intel can't afford bots, they are nearly broke. I have been an Intel hater for years, since I despise their monopoly in mobile cpu's for years, despite being worse than Zen and much less efficient.. (I finally got an Amd Cpu with the solid Zen 4 Phoenix 7840HS). I also think Alchemist was pretty dog. That being said though it's clear as day that the B580 is one of the best and most important cards in many a year for budget/entry level/mainsteam dgpu, hitting the crucial $250 price point with the all important 12gb of Vram. I am mainly a gaming laptop guy, and the reliable leaks are that the mobile 5070 will STILL be 8gb in 2025.. So thats 1500+ laptops that are basically D.O.A. So I am grateful for Intel helping move the ball forward, since Nvidia certainly won't, cause of their policy of planned obsolescence by purposely gimping on Vram.
Stand proud intel, you cooked
The depth and quality of your comparison video's are truly unmatched... Thank you for doing this amount of work
Does anyone know what date the B750 will get released?
@@kasadam85 No one knows if it's even real
@paulustrucenus damn 😂
WTF Intel actually got a good value card with decent driver? I kinda expect something, somewhere to have a gotcha, but B580 is just good value.
If Intel got this out 6 months, no like... maybe even 3 months ago, it would have been a killer!
I suspect Battlemage launch window is too close to next generation from NVIDIA and AMD at this point, but still, good job Intel.
I might buy this but waiting for amd and nvidia new gpu
They could end stealing all the Christmas sales if people buy gpus for their family members 😂
well i know im getting one. was looking for some good budget options for a build for someone else, and this is perfection for me
What you mean decent? They have always been good for triple A games, but play something like an old Steam game like Super Meat Boy and nobody helps you.
@@erickalvarez6486 u could use dsvk for older titles
I would be interested in trying to find out the B580 performance in PCVR situations. I will keep looking.
I really wish intel had put Battlemage out 6 months ago
did u buy a 4060, 6 months ago? : p
Why? So that Nvidia would have dropped its price and you would have bought Nvidia?
There is never a good time to buy a gpu. Every year there is something new.
@@KenpachiAjax so that they would be competing with "this" gen instead "last" gen
@@xyr3s so they can get better mind share. Right now the majority of consumers are in wait mode for nvidia to relaese 50 series
And that's not the worse place as far as vram usage goes for ff16, forbidden west, Stalker2, Indiana Jones, and the list will constinue to grow, 8gb of vram even at 1080 is dead on arrival for 2025..
WHAT? I mean, what are you smoking bro? Indiana Jones will fk this card up at 1080p before touching 8gb of VRAM. Yall out here pretending that upgrading in 4gb vram is gonna match your cards with 4090s.
In 2024 currently Q4, all optimized games run at around 6-8gb VRAM at 1080p, 8-10gb at 1440p, and 12-16gb at 4k. Tested at max settings native across 12 games. With proper framegen (which is the true future here) you can drop it significantly more.
So please let's not allow developers to push out shit like indanna jones just because you fanbois want to force the narrative of 12gb cards that cant use them. We don't need 12gb mid range cards, we need devs to stop selling $70 single assets, and start making their games playable like we used to have in this industry for the past 20 years.
@meusana3681 The writing is up there in the wall for the past year, but no one is forcing you, if you can accept lowering textures settings out of your brand new $300-$400 card, and just moaning about optimization to game devs then go ahead buy one, i know i won't.
Modern game engines are pathetic, especially unreal 5
Yeah, all these noobs thinking that the industry is gonna slow down so they can play without headaches with their 2016's 8gb buffer are ignorant of how this works, or dellusional, they wanna hold to the belief that Nvidia sold them a good and durable card, even though they were warned about It. This is the same manufacturer that cheated everybody with the 3.5 + .5gb 970, and made vram gimped cards before, like the 3gb 1060, the 2gb 960, the 6gb RTX 2060, and the abominable 8gb 3060 ti and 3070's.
Drivers: Indiana Jones needed a driver update for my 4070S before it would start. And they aren't trying to catch up on all the other existing games. Maybe not an excuse, and future support comparisons would be useful, but not being perfect for a game that launched one day before compared to the competition isn't that scary (yet).
The constant driver update is incredible, they're scrambling to fix things instead of leaving it to rot.
Maybe it also shows something you refuse to see.
These "driver issues" you pointed out seem so insignificant. Especially when compared to just trying to get some games to run on Windows at all...
I ordered an A770 that'll be here today. I can't wait to try it out my first non-AMD/Nvidia GPU ever!
Nice! I’m happy for you, and I hope you have a good time playing with it.
I'm glad Intel has stuck with Arc and optimised its hardware and dramatically continued to improve it's drivers!
I'm sooo impressed with Intel's improvements to it's gpu devision that I've pulled the plug on buying an Intel Limited Edition B580 to play and tinker with on another pc in addition to my monster gaming and production rig.
“Monster production rig”
I3 9100
Gtx 750 ti
16gb ram
"division"
It's not intel's fault game dev haven't tested their gpu on their games. Just a tragedy, maybe the game will recognize the A and B series GPU in the future.
Considering how much the previous generation Arc cards improved with updates its reasonable to assume that before long these cards will eventually have similar performance to 4060 ti.
Great work Daniel. Really good data sets! Good follow through on the patches and updating the results. Just good stuff man! This is branching into the more seasoned PC hardware viewer content and you nailed it.
Thank you so much for all this effort ❤️🙏
Finally! Something interesting in the GPU space. Thank you for you hard work!
I really appreciate you putting so much effort into your videos!
Keep it up but also get some well deserved rest🙂
The B580 does look pretty good for the price. I Might get one just to build a little ARC machine for my niece
It looks like the driver issues were under that category "hard to catch with automated testing". If the "GPU health stats" look fine but there is visual flickering or other artifacts then an automated test suite is going to be none the wiser. But these things are typically easy to fix. This is a lot better than the Alchemist launch situation, and Intel does seem to be hellbent on sticking with it until they have beat their driver stack into submission.
I'd like to see a "30 days post launch" re-review with a massive game test. Not necessarily benchmarks. Just "will it run right" of, say, the 50 most popular games on Steam.
Have fun fixing your crap intel. I'm waiting for 5000 series. Thanks for giving me better prices.
Honestly I could see the b580 getting better with time. It has a lot going for it and I completely agree a 1 month / 6 month / 1 year videos would be awesome to see
Dude, your chapter game is on point.
Given that Nvidia is already using mature drivers and the improvements that intel previously achieved as their drivers matured, I'm really impressed, can't wait to see the performance on the B770
Wow awesome comparison, such a crazy amount of work. Kudos! Great to see the B580 holding its own too - what a relief for budget gaming!
Man, I got too excited already and checked prices... at minimum 330 Euros in Germany kills all the enthusiasm. :(
For the $250 in the US I'd be super tempted. I really hope EU prices get a littlev more realistic, below 300 this is a sweet deal and hopefully puts some pressure on nVidia too, not just AMD - but I'm afraid nVidia is still shrugging it off because people will keep buying green anyway.
Hab grade ne B580 von ASRock auf Alternate für 296€ gesehen glaube ich
$250 + 19% VAT = $297.5 = 284€, so yes, someone is trying to rip you off.
@@freshfuhrer1063 That's the correct price including VAT.
@@andersjjensen VAT isn't the only thing that affects costs.
@@IcyTorment Supply does as well, and some retailers try to play cute with "the added value of it being new", but once things settle down (and you don't shop the stupid places) the European prices are generally "exchange rate + VAT".
Finally, there is the perfect GPU for 5600G buyers, who wanted to buy a 40 series card without bottlenecking, but they got a 4060 8gb, going to a 4060Ti or 7700XT will bottleneck the CPU, this is much powerful than a 4060 with 12GB VRAM, perfect successor to a 3060 12GB
None of those cards will ever be limited by the 5600g cpu.
@@nolejd50 they will, the 5600G is on par with a 12th gen i3
@@lharsay that does not mean anything. Those cards are never going to be able to achieve any performance on high resolutions and high settings needed for them to overburden the cpu. You clearly don't know how bottlenecking works.
@@nolejd50 5600g us nothing but a 3600 with an igpu with half the cache
Trust me I have owned this apu for over 2 years now
@@nolejd50 3070 or 4060Ti or 7700XT they can't ruj at 99-100% with 5600g,
Cpu usage will be more than 60% and gpu usage will be 70-80% if you want to play at 1080 max fps possible
That's a bottleneck
Thank you so much for the video, I couldn’t imagine how much work you have put in it! ❤you are awesome!
Damn you put the work in... subbed
Chapter:
0:00 Intro
1:01 Check out Jawa! Amazing marketplace for PC components
2:33 Intel claimed 10% faster than the 4060... but only at 1440p Ultra native res
3:03 What about the 3060?
3:52 8GB is definitely a real issue even at 1080p (video of texture popping on 4060)
5:11 It's important to test settings besides ultra
5:39 Summary of B580 vs 3060 relative performance in 60 benchmarks
6:33 Summary of B580 vs 4060 relative performance in 60 benchmarks
8:28 A closer look at the games and settings that I tested in the chart
8:54 A note on my upscaling testing- DLSS Quality=XeSS Ultra Quality resolution
9:29 A note on my raytracing testing
9:53 Why Intel's testing may not represent actual use cases
10:16 1440p Only- B580 vs 4060 (some results include upscaling)
11:12 I've noticed the 4060 gets a larger performance boost from upscaling
11:55 1080p Only- B580 vs 4060
12:47 Just ray tracing B580 vs 4060
14:38 Summary of thoughts so far
15:18 The B580 definitely offers better value for performance, but
15:50 Did I have driver issues? Yes, but 3 out of 4 are already fixed
18:05 The one driver issue that has not yet been solved (Indiana Jones)
20:13 What are my overall thoughts on drivers- how concerned should you be?
23:08 So are we going to do all the side by sides? YES! So this will be a long video...
23:46 Final Fantasy 16 1080p Medium
23:56 Final Fantasy 16 1080p Ultra
24:10 Final Fantasy 16 1080p Low
24:23 Final Fantasy 16 1440p Low w/upscale
24:42 Sidenote- most games I tested happened to have XeSS! Cool!
24:55 Final Fantasy 16 1440p Ultra with upscale
25:12 Indiana Jones 1080p Ultra
25:28 Indiana Jones 1080p Medium
25:44 Indiana Jones 1440p Ultra with upscale
26:06 Indiana Jones 1440p Medium
26:30 Indiana Jones 1440p Medium with upscale
26:53 Dragon Age 1080p Ultra with RT
27:05 Dragon Age 1080p Ultra
27:25 Dragon Age 1080p Medium
27:48 Dragon Age 1440p Ultra with RT and Upscale
28:02 Dragon Age 1440p Ultra
28:17 Dragon Age 1440p Ultra with Upscale
28:42 Dragon Age 1440p Medium
28:52 Dragon Age 1440p Medium with Upscale
29:23 God of War 1080p Ultra
29:37 God of War 1080p Medium
29:52 God of War 1440p Ultra
30:05 God of War 1440p Ultra with upscale
30:18 God of War 1440p Medium
30:29 God of War 1440p medium with upscale
30:52 Ghost of Tsushima 1080p very high
31:05 Ghost of Tsushima 1080p Medium
31:16 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High
31:33 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Very High with upscale
31:51 Ghost of Tsushima 1440p Medium
32:03 Silent Hill 2 1080p Epic RT On
32:30 Silent Hill 2 1080p Epic
32:42 Silent Hill 2 1080p Medium
32:57 Silent Hill 2 1080p Low
33:22 Silent Hill 2 1440p Epic with RT and Upscale
33:47 Silent Hill 2 1440p Epic with upscale
34:02 Silent Hill 2 1440p Medium with upscale
34:18 Silent Hill 2 1440p Low with upscale
34:36 Silent Hill 2 1440p Low
34:54 Hellblade 2 1080p High
35:17 Hellblade 2 1080p medium
35:43 Hellblade 2 1440p High
36:05 Hellblade 2 1440p High with upscale
36:25 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium
36:42 Hellblade 2 1440p Medium with upscale
36:58 Horizon FW 1080p Very High
37:18 Horizon FW 1080p Medium
37:32 Horizon FW 1440p Very High
37:48 Horizon FW 1440p Very High with upscale
38:11 Horizon FW 1440p Medium
38:22 Horizon FW 1440p Medium with upscale
38:48 Avatar 1080p Ultra
39:08 Avatar 1080p Medium
39:16 Avatar 1440p Ultra
39:28 Avatar 1440p Ultra with Upscale
39:40 Avatar 1440p Med w/upscale
40:11 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra w/RT reflections
40:42 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra w/RT reflections w/upscale
40:59 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p Ultra
41:18 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra w/RT reflections w/upscale
41:38 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra
41:53 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p Ultra w/upscale
42:08 CoD Black Ops 6 1080p Basic
42:23 CoD Black Ops 6 1440p Basic
42:35 CoD Black Ops 6 1440p Basic w/upscale
42:54 Final Thoughts
43:38 BUT WHAT ABOUT AMD GPUS!??!?!
44:13 full side by sides available for channel members
44:26 Don't forget to check out Jawa!
To any expert here: I’m trying to build a machine for the upcoming MonsterHunter on like 1080p. I was leaning towards a 4060 but do you think I should consider a B580 or would I *have* to buy a more expensive card? I’m okay with medium settings I just want a playable experience…
Rx 6650xt for 210 USD
Monster Huntor Wilds system requirements mention 4060/6700XT for 1080p Medium 60FPS WITH FRAME GENERATION. That's stupid, unless Medium looks insanely good. The requirements for 1080p Low 30FPS with upscaling (yikes!) are also quite high.
Honestly, I'd wait for the game to release and then see what the final performance looks like. That also gives you more time to save up....
My personal suspicion is that the new MH game will probably have a setting available for 8GB VRAM card, but that would probably work like Indiana Jones and Texture goes all the way down.
I would get B580 or just wait for next gen, since I am not sure MH will try to get medium texture work on 8GB VRAM card, they will probably just go with playable auto/low setting and call it a day.
I have RX 6750 XT and i5-12400f.
I played the MH Wilds Open Beta, and I reached 50+ fps at 1440p with XeSS Balanced, everything at low settings (except Textures and Mesh Quality, which both were at their highest settings).
I sometimes drop to 30+ fps, but those were spikes happening from time to time. I did not try 1080p, but I assume with my specs, I could have possibly reached 60+ fps.
But I'm sure the official game will be a bit more optimized, so performance should be better once released.
@@fedrecedriz6868 yeah I think you’re right. The launches are always terrible with MH games tho…
Plenty of other creators dropped their reviews at the same time as per usual. I'll watch Daniel the GPU king first.
His is The Ultimate Comparison. You won't get that anywhere else.
Gamers Nexus + Owen. I don't need other reviews.
@@GreyDeathVaccine Daniel + HUB for me. I don't need other Steves.
Both the game developers and graphics card manufacturers work together to identify and fix such issues, blaming drivers alone isn't the way of the Jedi.
most devs only care about nvidia because they dominate the market. So sad
@@fahminugroho2699 It makes sense to make NVIDIA the priority if more users will benefit. They cant even do that right half the time though.
Using yourself as a pointer is hilarious! Great video.
0:48 Low taper fade reference?
Bruh 💀
Fantastic video as usual!
The driver issues might be the thing that scares me away when they release their upper tier GPUs. Not that I’m big on playing older games I’ve already beaten, but it’s nice knowing that if I wanted to it just works.
25:21 3060 is 54% faster than 4060... (mind that Daniel didn't properly present numbers for 1% lows; 4060 has 17fps not 41 and 3060 has 51 not 35)
I can't wait for 5060. Can't wait to see that 3060 is only 50% faster in this benchmark.
3060 is slower than 4060 in many games by 10-20%, only in Indiana Jones is better cuz of Vram problems of 4060.
I've actually seen the Indiana Jones bug (with GPU utilization) before with an A770! Not with Indiana, mind you - it was Halo MCC for me. It was a bug that always appeared if I looked a specific way, regardless of where I was on the map. Impacted multiplayer (like, other players) too, as server connection was impacted! They did eventually fix it, so I've no doubt they'll fix it again, but I suspect it'll be an issue that pops up occasionally. Maybe not in a game-by-game basis, but a generation-by-generation issue. At least till they change whatever component is the root cause.
I already have an ARC a770 16GB, so I won't buy an B580. But if anyone has a 3050 8GB or below, buy it. It works great. And there are quite a few TH-camers that make content with ARC. So if you want to see if your game runs on it, ask these creators(or me) to benchmark them. But maybe LTT, GN or Hardware Unboxed will make more game Benchmarks.
Daniel, when you show relative performance in the bottom left you should try to always use the same card as the base 100 % even if that means you'll get a result under 100 %. The way you did is confusing when you look quickly.
I run an RX480 8GB from release through to replacement with an RTX3060 12gb, that was the only RTX car in budget that had more VRAM than my previous card released 5 years earlier.
They only put 12GB on the 3060 because they knew they would never get away with 6GB so they were forced into 12GB or would have to change the memory bus. They later put out a gimped 8GB 3060 with less memory bandwidth and looks like the 4060 was based on the same gimped version.
I really hope the 5060 is 8GB, might be what breaks their stranglehold on gamer focused GPU. Will be interesting to see the higher spec intel cards tbh
One thing you failed to mention in both this video and your last video is the power efficiency of both cards. The B580 and the 4060 seem suck significantly less wattage out the wall, which is quite interesting. Especially the B580 seems to just take small sips for what youre getting. Very impressive.
Thank you for the comprehensive coverage of issues that are now fixed. 🙏 benchmarks begin at hour 3 for those who haven't watched yet. 😂
My main concern with the Intel cards is whether or not they have support for older games. Like will it play Final Fantasy XI for example? That game struggles to even run on some Nvidia Laptops.
The B580 is a great addition to the current market, I'm more interested in how it could affect the pricing of other gpus, particularly AMD ones. For people outside of the US, we have to pay big premiums (import taxes) for any product above 200 dollars, as such the rx 7600 is %50+ more expensive than the rx 6600 while delivering a %20~ performance uplift (not really worth it right?).
Maybe the B580's and B570's launch will make some AMD gpus drop down in price and become a great deal for those on a budget outside of the US.
The B580 already came in at 330€ here in Germany which is not much better than what is on the market.
@seeibe that sucks, I'm from Colombia and as such I buy all my pc parts on amazon, where I can find them at their appropriate pricing, but as stated due to import taxes all gpus above 200 usd have a worse performance/cost value
Buy a used card
If you're lucky, the price/performance will improve by another ~30%
Its coming in around 300€ in Italy while i can get pretty easily a 6750xt for under 200€ on the used market, it is pretty bad value imo
@paradoxeintervention5390 that is if one is lucky indeed, every card that retails above 200 dollars has a very inflated price within the used market of my country, there are definitely some good offers here and there but the cheapest one can find an used rx 6700xt is $285~.
Therefore most of the time you're getting better value out of a brand new rx 6600 (for those in my country ofx)
I've had driver issues with both AMD and nVidia in the past. That's just graphics cards. It sounds like this Intel card has way more headroom to improve over time seeing how it trounces nVidia at higher settings.
nVidia really need to step up their game, they're just not competitive.
Same, I had a lot of issues with my 2070 them I got a 6800xt and had some but not as many. Now I have a 7900xtx and the only issue I have found is some directX 12 games like crashing.
Would be good to categorize driver problems somehow. There is a huge range of severity. At worst, a game flat out doesn't run. That's pretty severe. The grass flicker was bad, but not as severe as not running. Then something like the reduced FPS and lower than expected GPU utilization, given that it was not a super huge percent loss, was minor from a user perspective. So I'm glad you discussed what the problems actually were. When you first mentioned it, I assumed Indiana Jones flat out didn't run, but it wasn't nearly that bad. They should still fix it, of course.
Thank you Daniel to compare the B580 against the 3060. I have a EVGA RTX 3060 12GB (12G-P5-3657-KR) and UV & OC it to ~2100 MHz (GPU & VRAM) at max 1012 mV. So if I look at your results, mit card should be in many cases on the similar level as the B580. Maybe it will change in a few months, if the Intel drivers and games are more optimized.
My 3060 12G is still the heavyweight underdog. It delivers well and that huge 12G feels satisfying whenever texture heavy games such as FFXV, Dragon Dogma 2(not RDR2 btw) actually utilise the muscle. And being a rtx card you can get mods for frame generation in most games. Star Wars Survivors gives a good boost at all ultra 4k with frame generation on. It's not perfect obviously but it's decent. The 12G also helps if you run LLM models locally.
Oh man, I'm sure this video is great with lots of info but I'm 4 minutes in and I know more about Jawa than the Intel Arc.... I'm ground to find another video with less repetition in the script and less "filler".
I don't know how many times I've heard the phrase "without spilling over" without seeing a resolution to the question I've heard 3-4 times. I feel like somewhere in the video I'm going to hear "stick around to the end of you want to see the statistics of the cards."
I know you mainly tested against the 3060 and 4060 but the thing is you could get a RX 6700 XT/6750 XT for about $320 new or $150 to $250 used which that GPU trades blows with the B580 which there is still that option and then you have for about $400 in the used market the RX 6800 which does better and also offers 16gb of Vram.
Overall, i am just saying that there will always be better options out there and also the thing is that there are people that would buy an Nvidia GPU for more than just gaming because some applications that people would use for their work usually favors Nvidia more than any other GPU manufacture out there because of the Cuda Cores.
Hey Mr Owen, can we get a video on FF7 Rebirth PC requirements? I am super excited to hop back into the game again, and I want more people to know the PC version is coming out.
Such an interesting low end midrange battle of the budget gpus. 250 is decent would be curious how it compares to 6600 also.
Hardware Unboxed shows that it dominates the 6600, both performance and performance per dollar
Depends on the price. In my area it's 330€ so 6600, 6650XT, 6750XT and 7600 are still way better choices.
Love the videos
To all the people claiming Nvidia or AMD will sweep intel soon, both companies for the last few years have released their high end cards first amd waited until their sales numbers slowed before releasing their lower end variants. I think this is a great move for intel as we're poised to see the 5080s and the 8700xts. Not to mention this vram at this price point with the workstation performance can assure a lot of companies looking for a cheap gpu will have solid options.
Time for proper fitted glasses? You keep pushing them up 2-3x a min and they instantly go down to the same position again...
You might be right, game developers might not even bother or minimal effort into optimizing for intel as low priority, thats a lot of work after catering for Nvidia and AMD / Sony.
Excited for the entry class!
The AIB models are 320 euro here in the Netherlands, you can get a 6700 XT for that exact same price. Really hope the LE launches at ~280 euro here else it’s not nearly as great of a deal as many are making it out to be.
Thx for all the testing and discussion work, Daniel. I noted that it seems the B580 also uses a bit less power than the 4060, but MUCH less power than the 3060 or the brief look at the AMD GPUs at the end, which is encouraging to see!
not its not Linus stated the card can pull up to 240w during certain games even considering intel claims the board tdp is 190w the 4060 is like 115w max load. Daniel noted in the vid the power usage isnt correct in msi afterburner bc they seperate vram and core wattage
@@BasicPixell Thx, I didn't watch the entire vid, so must have missed Daniel's power comments.
Why is it that everyone ignores the workloads and AI apps? Are games the only important thing?
These are gaming channels...
@harmony-b4m So, if you're a gamer you not interested in anything other than gaming?
@@PCandTech-tr8xt I'm curious on AI and workloads but a lot of the people that ask for this are gamers. Maybe Tech Notice might have a vid on that soon? Dunno.
Could you imagine a card like this and at this price point during the COVID era, (and after) when potatos were sold for 600€?
The thing about the driver issues, i think its because the gpu is just releasing, while the games are are already released, its not the same for AMD and NVIDIA who already have their gpus released and the only work they have to do is just produce drivers. Intel has more work in their hands because intel came late to the party.
AMD has had significant driver issues for several years, which they are only recently starting to sort out.
Where in La La land do you get those prices? The cheapest I found a b580 for was over 400 US.
So the B580 is somehow a better 1440p gpu than a 4060, but struggles in comparison in 1080p or smaller resolutions. And it’s 50 dollars cheaper.
So it looks like you're 4060 mostly wins in 1080p and the B580 wins mostly in 1440p due to that extra memory. Although, I feel like there's more performance to be had in these cards. I don't think they're being pushed to their limit. Jay tested a board partner card with a much bigger cooler on it, including an extra fan, and his results were exactly the same. You never really see that nvidia FE vs board partner cards.
Intel still has a few driver updates left to improve the performance of their Battlemage GPUs. Nvidia's 3060 and 4060's peformance is mostly set in stone.
Intels GPU is set in stone. Like all of them. Updates don't change the product. They merely just fine tune things that have a LIMIT 🙄 Amazes me how people think you're getting a better GPU with time. GPU's have hard limits. Even overclocking has a limit. I can make a product that doesn't hit it's potential to the consumer BUT then drip feed them updates. And show them 5/10/15% improvements. Which is like 5/8/10/15 FPS at most 😆
@@MrAden1307 what are u waffling lil bro? this gpu is like 30% behind 4060 in some games so it's obvious that its a driver issue
Think there's a problem with the chapters not showing. Could be cuz you did "0:00" instead of "00:00" in the description but could be wrong on that front.
Great work!
Sadly here in Spain the 4060 comes for 280 - 300€ and the new B580 starts at 320€, also any explanation why Sillent Hill 2 remake runs so bad on the new B580? i also heard theres also a bunch of games that doesent even include Xess like Alan Wake 2 a game that is likelly umplayable whitout upscaling.
intel and then ARM are jumping into GPU market. This is good for competition especially when NVIDIA has been putting up monopolistic prices. Create more confusion for consumers on what GPU to pick but thanks to reviewers like you in community they can have a easier time.
in Poland B580 (12g) / RTX3060 (12g) / RX7600XT (16g) costs the same, about $320 (in our country the prices are given with 23% tax), unfortunately this card does not change anything on the market, the situation is very similar in the rest of Europe
good value? unfortunately intel is the worst, $250 msrp is not an aggressive price at all
she performs better than both, AMD is a joke as soon as she hears the word "Ray" the performance drops 60-80%, and the 3060 does not compete equally either. Intel draws and even beats the 4060 on ray tracing meaning their hardware is on par if not better for Ray tracing, your comment is a simple lack of knowledge.
@@Nobody-su9km no one will choose this card in the store if these two are next to each other at the same price, lack of life knowledge
@@Nobody-su9kmPeople tend to go for brands they are more familiar with, even if the more unfamiliar product is a bit better. And when most people think "gpu" they think nvidia or amd. Intel needs to undercut its competitors by more than this, especially considering it will have to compete with the 5060 and 8600xt soon.
@Nobody-su9km even talking about RT with a 250-300$ is just plain dumb. No one has the slightest bit of concern with ray tracing when their buying a 1080p card plain and simple. If ur beating the other card by 10fps with RT on and their both getting below 30fps it doesnt even matter because their both useless at that point.
Majority of people will buy Nvidia or amd over Intel just for the sake of knowing their going to be able to play their new games 95% of the time at launch and not have to wait for multiple driver updates over the next few weeks to be able to play.
It's no different then last time, they had the hardware where they wanted but their drivers are going to be trash again. most people don't want to pay money to be a test dummy again.
@@mattblyther5426 Ray tracing is the future you don't have to be talking about it, it's like saying you are not talking about shaders. You simply a revisionist with no actual knowledge on the subject.
32:15 Upgrading to the 4070 super in preparation for Silent Hill 2 was great, my 3050 would not have survived 💀
Jaw a transition was genius, chefs kiss
Intel caught the ball AMD keep dropping? Compared to the A series launch the B series has some minor graphics glitches that will get patched. I'd love to know the amount of people intel staff compared to AMD and NV to work on the drivers. Pretty sure it would be smaller and they are doing a good job fixing issues, the direction is positive.
remember when a midrange (60 class cards are arguably entry now) card could play a modern triple A title at ultra 1080p 60fps with no upscaling.... Pepperidge farm remembers.
In the few side by sides where you can see wattage, the 580 seemed to use much less than its claimed power draw. Any thoughts on this?
This has a lot of potential, it does RT well, XeSS is awesome, the price x performance is superb... I really hope they release a more power version that can handle 4K, I would definitely buy it.
The idle power of the B580 negates the price difference between the two cards QUICKLY and eventually will be more expensive. The fact that the largest part of the target consumer base for cheap GPUs are all running old systems, the B580s ReBar requirement misses the mark.
Once you factor in Intel's issues with older games and its still subpar drivers, it is not a winner this time around. Improvement? Hell yes. Good? Hell yes.
But sorry, not this time. The 4060 is still a better buy. Intel still has work to do but at least it seems as if they are serious about wanting a part of the market.
Intel may be losing the CPU competition, but BOYE they are killing it with their budget GPU
Are driver issues that big of a deal? How long do companies update their driver until these GPU become more stable from those issues?
It took AMD many years.
The problem is upscale quality and Driver issues. I believe Intel Arc can catch up for sure.... But it's still too soon to move away from nvidia. People who work on a budget that want good performance to punch ratio should no doubt try Arc GPU'S
You answered my comment, so I've come to watch the video I clearly missed! Thank you
A win for Intel!
Question, how is the memory clock speed on the 3060 and 4060 around 8000 mhz? I thought they were around 2000 mhz too going by specs
Good call by Intel to provide you with a review card. 👍
Imagine Nvidia releases a new feature exclusive for the 50 series in which VRAM is not a problem any more even on the highest possible settings RTX 5060 8GB 👀
The extra VRAM is the real winner. But when it comes to upscaling Nvidia is untouchable.
How that will end up going long-term for performance to cost ratio is anyone's guess.
this guy seriously needs to learn how to change a white background to black
All I saw was an arc pro a60 locally for 486 euro (24 tax included)...
I really want Intel to succeed with their GPUs. My concern is that I don´t know how they perform with older Games which I play regulary
Thanks for the massive analysis. What I still miss from every B580 reviews is DX10 and DX9 titles. Those were weak points for Intel's last gen cards
WAKE UP ! THE BEMCHES DROPPED!
This is also timed perfectly. I recently sold my i7 9th Gen 2070s to my brother. There wasn't really an upgrade option since the cpu socket died with that Gen and anything else wasn't really worth it since I'd also have to upgrade my psu to go to a newer card just to bottleneck at the cpu. But since the b580 doesn't use more power than the 2070s I can now upgrade that pc a bit to keep it around longer. I'll still bottleneck I'm sure but it's an upgrade path that didn't exist before.