Hahahah lol cheers Lewis, I am glad you did because its stunning, maybe it will run in a bit more :) Take care and big thanks for letting me link to yours
Nice video, I enjoyed the voiceover history of this fine locomotive. I also have to blame Lewis's marvelous videos for inspiring me to splash out on a loco. In my case a Hornby Duchess class Sir William A Stanier. And for generally reviving my interest in model railways. I've spent far too much money recently as a consequence. I regret none of it. I suspect their are plenty of other people who have been affected in this way. Maybe Lewis should ask Hornby for an affliate link. I feel he deserves some form of commission!
Mouldy Raspberry is a top channel: I never miss a video (as is the case with yours too!) Oliver Cromwell is a fascinating loco, and is well known in East Anglia, where I now live. After completing its final day of steam duties, it was stabled at Diss station in the Waveney Valley (a place from where I regularly catch the train to London) for a while before being moved to the nearby Bressingham steam museum. It was also a well chosen celebrity (along with Pete Waterman) to mark the opening of the North Norfolk Railway's connection with Network Rail's line at Sheringham. The loco became the first engine to cross the road via the newly commissioned level crossing from NR's station to that of the NNR. A few videos can be found on YT that record this event, in which OC looks majestically magnificent. Your loco looks equally gorgeous!
Alongside its normal fleet Westhaven includes locomotives that visited Swanage when I worked there. Oliver Cromwell came in a couple of times and so I had to include it too. Not yet chipped and nor is sister and fellow visitor Britannia.
Hi Mike had this problem with a Sir Archibald Sinclar the valve gear fell off numerous times and other bits and pieces, although I was offered a replacement by my local dealer, I stuck with it stripped it down completely rebuilt . My conclusion was that it was not put together properly in the first place, now run in she runs perfectly. I would love a Brittania class but would love Iron Duke so may have to track down a decent Brittania, rename and number. It's sad that we have to go though this process after paying so much in the first place. Come on Hornby this is your business, small parts falling off, can understand as they are so finely detailed but not motor's ,valve gear and certainly not bent bodywork. Thanks for the warning Mike and I won't blame Lewis 😉
@@jameshardy4354 Hi James can't agree more, you would think with the amount of times people have complained that Hornby would look into this more, don't suppose Bachmann are any better with motor's. Come on Hornby / Bachmann your latest offerings are not up to scratch
We're spoilt here in Leicester with her being stabled at Lougborough on the Great Central Railway, and she is now being overhauled at a prestigious rate. One of the few benefits of lockdown, I suppose. Lovely to have her stabled alongside 9F, No. 92214 "Leicester City". They make a fine pair.
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Hi, just looking through the GCR's "Mainline" Magazine, there is no specific comment, but given she will be back in prestine working order when she leaves the shed, I have no reason to suppose she won't venture back out onto the network as she has all the appropriate kit and approvals, unless the NRM specifically want to rest her, but then I don't think they would have contracted the GCR and 45305 Society to overhaul her. Interestingly, Ive just seen in the magazine a feature on a new Bachmann model of 9F, "Leicester City", so people could collect the pair. It seems Bachmann are slowly covering all the engines stabled at the GCR, as they have already made a model of Robinson's 8K 2-8-0. That also is being overhauled.
A great video Mike. Your list of allocations was very useful, and pleased to know Thomas Hardy was allocated to Stewarts Lane, as that's the model I'm thinking of getting, and I particularly want a Southern based one - although it's now at a premium price, and have to weigh up if it's worth taking the plunge considering the potential problems with this model. I've just been watching an old film from 1951 called "The Happy Family" (It's on TH-cam in full) and 70009 Alfred the Great makes an appearance at Nine Elms.
I have the Triang version of this, has a similar presence to it but not quite so intricately detailed by a long shot. The little addon details make this loco feel almost photorealistic from some angles!
However I do have some triang locos, and they run quite weel - (I have a pannier tank - Ive only just had to service it). So Hornby arent all that bad.
I've got one coming this week , fingers crossed I'm a lucky one , brilliant video as always Mike , I went to go see olly storming up through Folkestone harbour as a young last heritage run from Folkestone harbour what a sight that was
Love the Britannia's. Bought William Wordsworth a few years ago second hand from a well known online trader and not cheap. Great model except it galloped rather than running smoothly. Got the courage to take it apart assuming it needed a service. After lubricating etc still had the problem so disassembled the gearbox to find a cracked gear wheel. Found a replacement fitted it and it now runs smoothly. Got a refund from said trader for the gear wheel so all well in the end. A truly impressive loco despite being Hornby!
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited I have an uncredited photo of it disassembled with the motor removed as it seems it wasn't a unique fault. Other than that I used the service guide and was very careful. I cant remember any specific problems - I do occasionally end up repairing things but fortunately its only me that sees it! You have to take some credit as well as I have remedied some issues watching your service guide videos and applied the same methods!
Excellent Mike. The Britannia is my favourite steam loco and luckily I have a mint Hornby example after a few mods to overcome the loco/tender connection. I'm sure that no more info is required on that subject, Great video as always Mike. All the best - Another Mike lol
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Mine has the ringfield tender motor with pickup via the loco through the axles and then the drawbar. It became very erratic when running . I noticed that the chassis had the space and drilled and tapped holes for a pickup plate Triang style so i fitted one and wired it to the chassis (same electrical path). That overcame the axle continuity problem and it now runs superbly.
Super video as always Mike, most enjoyable thank you. I still can’t believe such shoddy models can make it through QC. One year I bought six new locos, five of which had to be replaced or refunded. Ironically the only one that was OK in that bunch was the Hornby one, it was Dapol, Heljan, Oxford and Bachmann that all came with faults. That Mouldy Raspberry bloke has got a lot to answer for. In my case it’s the Bachmann 4MT 😁 All the best, Andrew
Glad you enjoyed it Andrew, I really do feel we are treated badly by all the makers, China is the problem I am sure they just don't care and the hideous glue marks and duff motors prove the point, probably little more than rich mans toys to them. Yes Lewis's railway video do indeed inspire as do his detailing efforts.
Very good looking model, had a similar issue with a Heljan Beyer Garratt I got recently, she would not run forward because the right hand side valve gear was upside down and when that was fixed the gear on the left side fell apart. I have a new one sent, she runs well but damn I am a little worried about really running the model.
Good morning, OH so Heljan are just as bad, I think China is the common denominator here! They just don't care and I wonder if we should support a country like that anyway?
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited sadly gone are the days of British made models you could trust I guess, I have some old Hornby locos that still run very well, yeah they are noisy but they run. Having said that my local model store are great, the guys there really care about the hobby so getting replacements and repairs is great... needs to be all the way down here in New Zealand haha
Great Story, l don't know how much you paid but the prices have certainly risen .What concerns me are the limited stock models which are sold out on pre order can you get a replacement ? Putting it mildly Hornby produced a box of crap.
Sorry to hear about your Hornby Problems. I have the no. 7000 Britannia from the Diamond Jubilee train Pack of 2012. It has a Hornby decoder and has always been an excellent runner and is used weekly. Some you tubers say the golden age for Hornby models was 2001 to 2005 when they were first made in China. From my recent Hornby range purchases (no steam outline) my one Class 66 is trouble free but one of three Class 87 had no lights at one end caused by badly routed wiring being cut when the body was fitted. I could have repaired it myself but returned it and it was replaced without quibble by my local model shop. All my Class 87 are excellent runners. I believe that the only way to get improved products is to return them to source for a refund or replacement. Manufacturers may then get the message when it costs them money. Fixing problems yourself will not result in product improvement.
Hi Robert, I absolutely agree on the 2000-2005 models, they are worlds apart from the cheap and nasty but great looking stuff offered now. You are quite right about returning stuff we just should not accept this terrible lack of care.
On Britannia's you will notice a buffers up moulding.Other named Britannia's also have this affiction! I bought my Oliver back around 2005/6 with no problems.I have come to the conclusion that between2005/15 was probably it's best time to purchase? Thanks for the video by the way!
Hi, your quite right, Lewis' channel is brilliant, i've been a subscriber to it for ages................Like you, I was almost bitten by one of his locos when he did the Hornby Coronation model recently..............I agree with all of your comments reading below, Hornby seems to be very hit and miss, I actually sold off alot of mine about 2 years ago...............Yes I had to put a new motor in my BR Std Class 7 too, because it was just too noisy, shame as their models do look stunning most of the time. I also totally agree with the Pre-order comments too, I hate you can't wait to see the product first before buying. Great video, best regards Dave.
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Thanks for the reply, it was quite a few years ago, though the same design as yours. I recall the problem started with a wire coming off of the motor, trying to solder it back on, the connection just seemed to melt away and ruined the motor. It wasn't too difficult to get into the body, had to be super careful of the speedo drive on the train coupled axle. One problem I find on new locos, whenever you touch something, something else falls off, they are so fragile now days. I got the new motor from Peter's Spares, the model was fine afterwards. I have sold it on now though after becoming disillusioned with my Hornby and Bachmann locos, poor running, not powerful, just not up to the job. I got interested in US outline which introduced me to DCC and sound for a while, I do still love them. Then I got a Heljan diesel and being so impressed with their mechanisms and detail, I got tired with many of the poor Hornby and some Bachmann stuff, so sold off so many locos and now I'm just super picky what I buy. My last loco was the Suttons Class 24, and oh my it knocks spots off anything else. Anyway, sorry for the long winded reply. All the best Dave.
Nicely presented & well edited sound, but honestly, with that slow speed lurch I would send this one back to Hornby as well. They really can't be allowed to get away with inferior products at inflated prices. You pay premium, you expect competent engineering.
Thanks Chris, I think I am at the point of 'do I want one or not' because if I sent this 75% ok model back I could end up with a right pup like the first one. She does seem to be getting smoother, just sounds odd.
Hi mike These are fantastic looking model Big big shame about the quality control issues These will look nice next the clans and Duke of Gloucester I think Fantastic history well edited too and made Tar for sharing Keep safe arp
It seems to me that Hornby in some cases still they're making just "toys." At first glance Oliver Cromwell looks to be a fine model, but then you see how it takes curves, and groan! I have this model myself but have barely run it, my layout being mostly setup for DCC. I have Winston Churchill waiting to be shipped out to Australia when finances permit, and do hope that this is not yet another example of Hornby's "near enough is good enough" game. Such things will lead to loss of sales and other manufacturers such as Dapol and Heljan picking up where Hornby leaves off.
Hi, thanks. I have to say I really dislike the 'new' rear pony truck, they never used to do that so there is no need now, it just spoils the locos. My Winston Churchill has run perfectly since she arrived in the funeral pack a while back. Good luck with yours
A lovely loco but as with a lot of Hornby products I am put off buying as I live in France and returning a faulty product is a faff (more so since Brexit) the product take two to three weeks to arrive and if I need to return it it's possibly six weeks until the replacement arrives. I can't help wondering why Hornby don't fit an articulated rear pony truck on their locos any more, I noticed on your close up shots that the flangeless wheel rides what looks like a millimetre above the rail on both the Britannia and theCoronation at the end of the clip and completely loses alignment with the track on the tighter curves, like you I don't have the luxury of huge radius curves on my layout and it annoys the life out of me. Is there any technical reason for this or is it just a cost issue? Just been sorting through my dad's collection which dates back to the sixties and on all the locos the trailing pony is articulated. Nice looking loco and a nice video like you I love Mouldy Raspberry's videos and layout, not sure given the cost of locos these days I have to bottle to start weathering them like he does though.
Hi Phil, thanks for looking in. Ah yes I can understand your problem. I absolutely agree about that shoddy cheap pony truck. The only reason they do it can be cost because even until maybe 2017 they were properly articulated now this arrangement and it looks awful and even bumps up the side of the rails sometimes. Take care. Mike
I like the look of this model Mike, but not sure I like the price. As a gift, it would be very acceptable. But I'm on ban at the moment, I have too many toys she reckons.
Hi Steven. yes I know what you mean, was having a low day and needed something to cheer me up. I think we all need to get together and share our best 'I need a new loco' excuses lol
....It causes me concern to read all the negative reports with HORNBY models.. as an Aussie, it is difficult to purchase HORNBY models unless it is pre ordered, and most models are difficult to obtain through Hobby stores. It means going online via AMAZON or EBAY to purchase anything of interest in their range. The problem being, if there is a fault with the model it means returning it, generally to the UK, and the cost associated. I have started getting back into the hobby and purchased three engines, P2, britannia, Princess Royal and have yet to unbox them. I am now concerned they might be trouble. I am not familiar with other BRANDS, and would appreciate recommendations in this area. I lean towards large steam locos... so am really disappointed about HORNBY quality issues. cheers.
Hi, yeah I am really sorry it must be bad in your situation. I've had no trouble with Bachmann so maybe look there, if you check back on my videos you will see a lovely WD I got from them, it's been perfect.
Hornby belong in a museum.... what's the deal with the back bogie ???it appears to be fixed and permanently derailed. I think Sam's trains fixed it by putting a spring in it....
Hi, prototypicaly the rear pony truck is correct in that they did not pivot, however I do prefer the older type that do. It can't derail as it has no flanges.
Oh, does this one make me tremble! The Hornby 7MT is drop dead gorgeous, but they’re some of the worst quality related models I’ve had experiences with... We had about three or four of the Fifteen Guinea Special train pack that came along a couple of years ago in the shop. Each one was problematic, with one suffering from loose crank pins - causing jams and awful clicking - and all three locos missing their whistles, of all possible things... My best wishes to you with this model, Mike. Of all possible locos, this one just doesn’t deserve to go wrong, she’s a beauty. You’ve more patience with Hornby than I do I think!
Hi, oh dear yes its very worrying, I am still not 100% with her due to the motor noise, but scared to open her as it looks like many bits might fall apart. Like you say lovely to look at. I think I have reached the end with Hornby, they seem able to make small tank engines ok so I am going to try hard not to buy any new larger models from them. Just can't take the heartbreak and 'Hornby Sickness' Thanks for the info, take care.
Great looking model a real shame about the Hornby curse raising its ugly head. I’d like to say I haven’t suffered from it but it’s got me a couple of times. Nice running session and the sounds were great.
Thanks Rob, yes lovely I've wanted one for ages but had avoided it due to Hornby's let downs. And true to form they caused me much heart break and I remain worried about this one and it's grinding sound, if I open it I might break some of the miocro thin bits???
Why are Hornby making so much junk now ? I have watched a video on TH-cam re the w1 and was shocked by the poor quality crap being sold at unbelievable high prices ? I don't now have a layout but do watch train video's and it's becoming more common to see this ! Are they just getting to complex to mass produce ? Anyway another nice video .
Interesting that in the world of steam trains Royal and aristocratic names tend to dominate, so nice - historically - to have the one name that breaks that pattern, if only very briefly! I am not a great fan of the man, but it's all part of our rich history.
Lovely Video Mike, I have the older Hornby 70013 Late Crest one of the best runners I have after buying a new chassis for it, just a pig to get out 9f the split polystyrene box. Keep up the great videos Harry
Morning Mike, Great Video and nice running session, I have the old Iron Duke and still going strong 💪 Here it is in action along with another old Timer from the Southern Region th-cam.com/video/TMz49oQ3ZL0/w-d-xo.html
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited we have a Modern Hornby version but doesn't pull as good, I recently purchased Two Bachmann V2s and can't fault them at all, they even have Pickups on the Pony wheels, wouldn't this be good if that was a standard feature on all Locos, Be good and Stay Safe
I must add a disclaimer to all my locomotive recommendations in future! Looks the part though Mike, great video.
Hahahah lol cheers Lewis, I am glad you did because its stunning, maybe it will run in a bit more :) Take care and big thanks for letting me link to yours
Nice video, I enjoyed the voiceover history of this fine locomotive.
I also have to blame Lewis's marvelous videos for inspiring me to splash out on a loco. In my case a Hornby Duchess class Sir William A Stanier. And for generally reviving my interest in model railways. I've spent far too much money recently as a consequence. I regret none of it.
I suspect their are plenty of other people who have been affected in this way. Maybe Lewis should ask Hornby for an affliate link. I feel he deserves some form of commission!
@@speleokeir hahah lol Lewis, what do you think? Joking aside your stuff is inspirational
Mouldy Raspberry is a top channel: I never miss a video (as is the case with yours too!)
Oliver Cromwell is a fascinating loco, and is well known in East Anglia, where I now live.
After completing its final day of steam duties, it was stabled at Diss station in the Waveney Valley (a place from where I regularly catch the train to London) for a while before being moved to the nearby Bressingham steam museum.
It was also a well chosen celebrity (along with Pete Waterman) to mark the opening of the North Norfolk Railway's connection with Network Rail's line at Sheringham. The loco became the first engine to cross the road via the newly commissioned level crossing from NR's station to that of the NNR. A few videos can be found on YT that record this event, in which OC looks majestically magnificent.
Your loco looks equally gorgeous!
Yes his productions are brilliant. Thanks for the info
Alongside its normal fleet Westhaven includes locomotives that visited Swanage when I worked there. Oliver Cromwell came in a couple of times and so I had to include it too. Not yet chipped and nor is sister and fellow visitor Britannia.
Ah very interesting thanks for watching
Hi Mike
had this problem with a Sir Archibald Sinclar the valve gear fell off numerous times and other bits and pieces, although I was offered a replacement by my local dealer, I stuck with it stripped it down completely rebuilt . My conclusion was that it was not put together properly in the first place, now run in she runs perfectly. I would love a Brittania class but would love Iron Duke so may have to track down a decent Brittania, rename and number. It's sad that we have to go though this process after paying so much in the first place. Come on Hornby this is your business, small parts falling off, can understand as they are so finely detailed but not motor's ,valve gear and certainly not bent bodywork. Thanks for the warning Mike and I won't blame Lewis 😉
HI Paul hornby motors are rubbish
Hi Paul, I agree fully, sorry you have had trouble.
@@jameshardy4354 Hi James can't agree more, you would think with the amount of times people have complained that Hornby would look into this more, don't suppose Bachmann are any better with motor's. Come on Hornby / Bachmann your latest offerings are not up to scratch
Thanks for the link to Mouldy Raspberry now subscribed, using sound recording is far superior to the tinny tts .
Awesome, thank you! it's a great channel and I agree fully on the sounds.
We're spoilt here in Leicester with her being stabled at Lougborough on the Great Central Railway, and she is now being overhauled at a prestigious rate. One of the few benefits of lockdown, I suppose. Lovely to have her stabled alongside 9F, No. 92214 "Leicester City". They make a fine pair.
Hi Piers, wow sounds wonderful, are there plans to have her back on the main line?
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Hi, just looking through the GCR's "Mainline" Magazine, there is no specific comment, but given she will be back in prestine working order when she leaves the shed, I have no reason to suppose she won't venture back out onto the network as she has all the appropriate kit and approvals, unless the NRM specifically want to rest her, but then I don't think they would have contracted the GCR and 45305 Society to overhaul her.
Interestingly, Ive just seen in the magazine a feature on a new Bachmann model of 9F, "Leicester City", so people could collect the pair. It seems Bachmann are slowly covering all the engines stabled at the GCR, as they have already made a model of Robinson's 8K 2-8-0. That also is being overhauled.
@@piers995 aha many thanks, very interesting and hopeful
I don't like BR Standards at all but have to say Hornby have made her quite the looker :-) Lovely video!
I totally agree! Cheers Mike
A great video Mike. Your list of allocations was very useful, and pleased to know Thomas Hardy was allocated to Stewarts Lane, as that's the model I'm thinking of getting, and I particularly want a Southern based one - although it's now at a premium price, and have to weigh up if it's worth taking the plunge considering the potential problems with this model. I've just been watching an old film from 1951 called "The Happy Family" (It's on TH-cam in full) and 70009 Alfred the Great makes an appearance at Nine Elms.
Many thanks, yes many of the class made appearances on the Southern
I have the Triang version of this, has a similar presence to it but not quite so intricately detailed by a long shot. The little addon details make this loco feel almost photorealistic from some angles!
Thanks very much, yes it was good to add them, crew looks really well in what must have been a huge cab
Lovely video of one of my favourite locomotive classes. I had no idea that Hornby has such a shaky reputation.
Thanks Philip, yes has been mine for a long time but only just got it. Very sadly yes, Hornby is very erratic when it comes to quality control.
However I do have some triang locos, and they run quite weel - (I have a pannier tank - Ive only just had to service it). So Hornby arent all that bad.
@@TheAntisocialTrain Yes love the old ones
I've got one coming this week , fingers crossed I'm a lucky one , brilliant video as always Mike , I went to go see olly storming up through Folkestone harbour as a young last heritage run from Folkestone harbour what a sight that was
Hi, many thanks for watching, OH wow that must have been great to see.
I actually prefer this to the sound chips in locos. Great footage Mike.
Many thanks indeed
Love the Britannia's. Bought William Wordsworth a few years ago second hand from a well known online trader and not cheap. Great model except it galloped rather than running smoothly. Got the courage to take it apart assuming it needed a service. After lubricating etc still had the problem so disassembled the gearbox to find a cracked gear wheel. Found a replacement fitted it and it now runs smoothly. Got a refund from said trader for the gear wheel so all well in the end. A truly impressive loco despite being Hornby!
Hi Gary, thanks for watching, oh so you have had it apart, I am feeling too nervous of breaking bits, do you have a guide?
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited I have an uncredited photo of it disassembled with the motor removed as it seems it wasn't a unique fault. Other than that I used the service guide and was very careful. I cant remember any specific problems - I do occasionally end up repairing things but fortunately its only me that sees it! You have to take some credit as well as I have remedied some issues watching your service guide videos and applied the same methods!
@@garysmith1687 Very kind of you thanks Gary, maybe I should consider a surgical video of opening this one then?? More courage required lol
Love the Brita and the 9fs. Nice video and sound.
Glad you enjoyed!
Excellent Mike. The Britannia is my favourite steam loco and luckily I have a mint Hornby example after a few mods to overcome the loco/tender connection. I'm sure that no more info is required on that subject, Great video as always Mike. All the best - Another Mike lol
Thanks Mike :) I'd be interested to hear/see what you have done?
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Mine has the ringfield tender motor with pickup via the loco through the axles and then the drawbar. It became very erratic when running . I noticed that the chassis had the space and drilled and tapped holes for a pickup plate Triang style so i fitted one and wired it to the chassis (same electrical path). That overcame the axle continuity problem and it now runs superbly.
@@scooby2142 ah right, good work
Super video as always Mike, most enjoyable thank you. I still can’t believe such shoddy models can make it through QC. One year I bought six new locos, five of which had to be replaced or refunded. Ironically the only one that was OK in that bunch was the Hornby one, it was Dapol, Heljan, Oxford and Bachmann that all came with faults. That Mouldy Raspberry bloke has got a lot to answer for. In my case it’s the Bachmann 4MT 😁 All the best, Andrew
Glad you enjoyed it Andrew, I really do feel we are treated badly by all the makers, China is the problem I am sure they just don't care and the hideous glue marks and duff motors prove the point, probably little more than rich mans toys to them. Yes Lewis's railway video do indeed inspire as do his detailing efforts.
Very good looking model, had a similar issue with a Heljan Beyer Garratt I got recently, she would not run forward because the right hand side valve gear was upside down and when that was fixed the gear on the left side fell apart. I have a new one sent, she runs well but damn I am a little worried about really running the model.
Good morning, OH so Heljan are just as bad, I think China is the common denominator here! They just don't care and I wonder if we should support a country like that anyway?
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited sadly gone are the days of British made models you could trust I guess, I have some old Hornby locos that still run very well, yeah they are noisy but they run. Having said that my local model store are great, the guys there really care about the hobby so getting replacements and repairs is great... needs to be all the way down here in New Zealand haha
@@stonehartfloydfan Indeed you are right, we need to get away from China for many reasons
Great Story, l don't know how much you paid but the prices have certainly risen .What concerns me are the limited stock models which are sold out on pre order can you get a replacement ? Putting it mildly Hornby produced a box of crap.
Many thanks Robert, yes they are high, this is my first Amazon loco. Limited stock annoys me greatly, should not be done.
Sorry to hear about your Hornby Problems. I have the no. 7000 Britannia from the Diamond Jubilee train Pack of 2012. It has a Hornby decoder and has always been an excellent runner and is used weekly. Some you tubers say the golden age for Hornby models was 2001 to 2005 when they were first made in China. From my recent Hornby range purchases (no steam outline) my one Class 66 is trouble free but one of three Class 87 had no lights at one end caused by badly routed wiring being cut when the body was fitted. I could have repaired it myself but returned it and it was replaced without quibble by my local model shop. All my Class 87 are excellent runners. I believe that the only way to get improved products is to return them to source for a refund or replacement. Manufacturers may then get the message when it costs them money. Fixing problems yourself will not result in product improvement.
Hi Robert, I absolutely agree on the 2000-2005 models, they are worlds apart from the cheap and nasty but great looking stuff offered now. You are quite right about returning stuff we just should not accept this terrible lack of care.
On Britannia's you will notice a buffers up moulding.Other named Britannia's also have this affiction! I bought my Oliver back around 2005/6 with no problems.I have come to the conclusion that between2005/15 was probably it's best time to purchase? Thanks for the video by the way!
Hi Jim, yeah it's a real shame. Thanks for watching
Hi, your quite right, Lewis' channel is brilliant, i've been a subscriber to it for ages................Like you, I was almost bitten by one of his locos when he did the Hornby Coronation model recently..............I agree with all of your comments reading below, Hornby seems to be very hit and miss, I actually sold off alot of mine about 2 years ago...............Yes I had to put a new motor in my BR Std Class 7 too, because it was just too noisy, shame as their models do look stunning most of the time. I also totally agree with the Pre-order comments too, I hate you can't wait to see the product first before buying. Great video, best regards Dave.
Very many thanks Dave, you re motored your STD7? same as mine? How did you get on opening it? Cheers Mike
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Thanks for the reply, it was quite a few years ago, though the same design as yours. I recall the problem started with a wire coming off of the motor, trying to solder it back on, the connection just seemed to melt away and ruined the motor. It wasn't too difficult to get into the body, had to be super careful of the speedo drive on the train coupled axle. One problem I find on new locos, whenever you touch something, something else falls off, they are so fragile now days. I got the new motor from Peter's Spares, the model was fine afterwards. I have sold it on now though after becoming disillusioned with my Hornby and Bachmann locos, poor running, not powerful, just not up to the job. I got interested in US outline which introduced me to DCC and sound for a while, I do still love them. Then I got a Heljan diesel and being so impressed with their mechanisms and detail, I got tired with many of the poor Hornby and some Bachmann stuff, so sold off so many locos and now I'm just super picky what I buy. My last loco was the Suttons Class 24, and oh my it knocks spots off anything else. Anyway, sorry for the long winded reply. All the best Dave.
@@stretchedits Cheers Dave, not at all I really appreciate the reply. Cheers Mike
"Despite them being made by Hornby... I took the plunge."
Gee, I wonder what prompted that. 😎
hahaha lol just is just too lovely
Nicely presented & well edited sound, but honestly, with that slow speed lurch I would send this one back to Hornby as well. They really can't be allowed to get away with inferior products at inflated prices. You pay premium, you expect competent engineering.
Thanks Chris, I think I am at the point of 'do I want one or not' because if I sent this 75% ok model back I could end up with a right pup like the first one. She does seem to be getting smoother, just sounds odd.
Hi mike
These are fantastic looking model
Big big shame about the quality control issues
These will look nice next the clans and Duke of Gloucester I think
Fantastic history well edited too and made
Tar for sharing
Keep safe arp
Thanks very much Adi, glad you enjoyed
It seems to me that Hornby in some cases still they're making just "toys." At first glance Oliver Cromwell looks to be a fine model, but then you see how it takes curves, and groan! I have this model myself but have barely run it, my layout being mostly setup for DCC. I have Winston Churchill waiting to be shipped out to Australia when finances permit, and do hope that this is not yet another example of Hornby's "near enough is good enough" game. Such things will lead to loss of sales and other manufacturers such as Dapol and Heljan picking up where Hornby leaves off.
Hi, thanks. I have to say I really dislike the 'new' rear pony truck, they never used to do that so there is no need now, it just spoils the locos. My Winston Churchill has run perfectly since she arrived in the funeral pack a while back. Good luck with yours
A lovely loco but as with a lot of Hornby products I am put off buying as I live in France and returning a faulty product is a faff (more so since Brexit) the product take two to three weeks to arrive and if I need to return it it's possibly six weeks until the replacement arrives. I can't help wondering why Hornby don't fit an articulated rear pony truck on their locos any more, I noticed on your close up shots that the flangeless wheel rides what looks like a millimetre above the rail on both the Britannia and theCoronation at the end of the clip and completely loses alignment with the track on the tighter curves, like you I don't have the luxury of huge radius curves on my layout and it annoys the life out of me. Is there any technical reason for this or is it just a cost issue? Just been sorting through my dad's collection which dates back to the sixties and on all the locos the trailing pony is articulated. Nice looking loco and a nice video like you I love Mouldy Raspberry's videos and layout, not sure given the cost of locos these days I have to bottle to start weathering them like he does though.
Hi Phil, thanks for looking in. Ah yes I can understand your problem. I absolutely agree about that shoddy cheap pony truck. The only reason they do it can be cost because even until maybe 2017 they were properly articulated now this arrangement and it looks awful and even bumps up the side of the rails sometimes. Take care. Mike
I like the look of this model Mike, but not sure I like the price. As a gift, it would be very acceptable. But I'm on ban at the moment, I have too many toys she reckons.
Hi Steven. yes I know what you mean, was having a low day and needed something to cheer me up. I think we all need to get together and share our best 'I need a new loco' excuses lol
....It causes me concern to read all the negative reports with HORNBY models.. as an Aussie, it is difficult to purchase HORNBY models unless it is pre ordered, and most models are difficult to obtain through Hobby stores. It means going online via AMAZON or EBAY to purchase anything of interest in their range. The problem being, if there is a fault with the model it means returning it, generally to the UK, and the cost associated. I have started getting back into the hobby and purchased three engines, P2, britannia, Princess Royal and have yet to unbox them. I am now concerned they might be trouble. I am not familiar with other BRANDS, and would appreciate recommendations in this area. I lean towards large steam locos... so am really disappointed about HORNBY quality issues. cheers.
Hi, yeah I am really sorry it must be bad in your situation. I've had no trouble with Bachmann so maybe look there, if you check back on my videos you will see a lovely WD I got from them, it's been perfect.
Hornby belong in a museum.... what's the deal with the back bogie ???it appears to be fixed and permanently derailed. I think Sam's trains fixed it by putting a spring in it....
Hi, prototypicaly the rear pony truck is correct in that they did not pivot, however I do prefer the older type that do. It can't derail as it has no flanges.
Oh, does this one make me tremble! The Hornby 7MT is drop dead gorgeous, but they’re some of the worst quality related models I’ve had experiences with...
We had about three or four of the Fifteen Guinea Special train pack that came along a couple of years ago in the shop. Each one was problematic, with one suffering from loose crank pins - causing jams and awful clicking - and all three locos missing their whistles, of all possible things...
My best wishes to you with this model, Mike. Of all possible locos, this one just doesn’t deserve to go wrong, she’s a beauty. You’ve more patience with Hornby than I do I think!
Hi, oh dear yes its very worrying, I am still not 100% with her due to the motor noise, but scared to open her as it looks like many bits might fall apart. Like you say lovely to look at. I think I have reached the end with Hornby, they seem able to make small tank engines ok so I am going to try hard not to buy any new larger models from them. Just can't take the heartbreak and 'Hornby Sickness' Thanks for the info, take care.
"Despite Them Being Made By Hornby" - The stand out line. The reason why I quit, model railways in the 1970s.
Well, as long as you don't buy steam from Heljan then Bachmann, Dapol etc are all still reliable.
Great looking model a real shame about the Hornby curse raising its ugly head. I’d like to say I haven’t suffered from it but it’s got me a couple of times. Nice running session and the sounds were great.
Thanks Rob, yes lovely I've wanted one for ages but had avoided it due to Hornby's let downs. And true to form they caused me much heart break and I remain worried about this one and it's grinding sound, if I open it I might break some of the miocro thin bits???
I've got a brittania cracking model
Thanks, they certainly are
Why are Hornby making so much junk now ? I have watched a video on TH-cam re the w1 and was shocked by the poor quality crap being sold at unbelievable high prices ? I don't now have a layout but do watch train video's and it's becoming more common to see this ! Are they just getting to complex to mass produce ? Anyway another nice video .
Thanks Mike and big welcome to the channel. Yeah its a bit sad isn't it, I do seem to attract the problem ones lol,
Interesting that in the world of steam trains Royal and aristocratic names tend to dominate, so nice - historically - to have the one name that breaks that pattern, if only very briefly! I am not a great fan of the man, but it's all part of our rich history.
Absolutely Ian, agree fully
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Top man indeed thanks
Lovely Video Mike, I have the older Hornby 70013 Late Crest one of the best runners I have after buying a new chassis for it, just a pig to get out 9f the split polystyrene box.
Keep up the great videos
Harry
Thanks so much Harry
Have you seen the problems with hornbys latest a2/2 and a2/3 locomotives it isnt good
Hi James no, oh dear that sounds bad!
Sadly, my blacking of Hornby continues. Just not worth the aggro.
I know mate, I feel the same but thought I might be lucky this time
Mike I wouldn't take the body off if I were you the mechanical lubricater boxes fall out it's a stupid design
Thanks James, yes appalling. Going to try and leave alone (for now)
Morning Mike,
Great Video and nice running session,
I have the old Iron Duke and still going strong 💪
Here it is in action along with another old Timer from the Southern Region
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Thanks Mick, I kind of think the older models are the safer bet, take care.
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited we have a Modern Hornby version but doesn't pull as good, I recently purchased Two Bachmann V2s and can't fault them at all, they even have Pickups on the Pony wheels, wouldn't this be good if that was a standard feature on all Locos,
Be good and Stay Safe
@@mick9885 Ah yes I have a V2, must get her out for a run, cheers Mick.