I just bought my first Model 70, in a 7mm caliber. Shot my first elk with it -- 175 grain bullet, 220 yards. He dropped after 3 steps. I will be 80 yrs old in three weeks. Thanks for confirming my choice of rifles with your video.
Outstanding to see you're still firing a rifle. Much less hunting. I'm 30 and I hope to still be able to do what I love when I am your age, god willing I live that long
Model 70. The Rifleman's rifle. I was proud to have worked for Winchester in my youth. Mainly because of that rifle and the Model 1894. But mainly the Model 70. Thanks for this video.
@@McDanielRanch - The Model 770 was a budget version of the push-feed Model 70, later called the Model 70A. No hinged floorplate, no ebony fore-end tip, and plain walnut stock - similar to the Remington 700 ADL. The Model 670 even more basic. Matte finish, polished (not jeweled) bolt with non-knurled bolt knob, and hardwood stock with impressed checkering. Sears' Ted Williams Model 53 rifles were essentially 770s.
You could not be anymore right then you are ! My grandfather hunted with a 1942 pre war model 70, my father with a pre-64 and myself with current production model 70.... but I do have alot of love for the older 700's, pre-2000ish and especially the Sako 75, along with too many others to list
I gave my oldest grandson my pre-64 M-70 in .243. My dad dad bought it from the feed store owner circa 1958-59 as I recall. It’s accounted for a lot of whitetails, muleys and antelope over the years.
People were actually MORE intelligent back then, hard as that may be to believe. They were far more objective, discerning, and as hardship was never very far from their doors, they had a huge eagerness to improve their World. You can hear it in their diction and vocabulary which was far superior to the average English speaker of today. People have been dumbed down. This is why in certain areas where scrutiny and innovation is more important than simply technological edge, a lot of older stuff REALLY was better made.
Thanks for the video. The first rifle I bought was in 1972 at a local gun store in Ann Arbor during my college days. It was a pre-war Model 70 Winchester in 30-06 (barrel dated 1936) and I got it for the princely sum of $150. It was drilled for a side scope mount and I had the local gunsmith attach a Griffin and Howe quick detachable scope mount to the receiver. It'll group ~1.5 moa on a good day. I'm never letting that gem go. I hope that one of my sons will keep it when I pass on.
Hi Tony - High value rifle you have there - as you know. Great purchase and the G&H side mount is a classic - the only side mount I know of that does not decrease the value of the rifle. I'm sure your sons will appreciate that great rifle - likely already do - one of the few things worth owning. Also, hunters only leave the trails here to move to trails elsewhere, to be joined in time by family and friends IMHO Thanks for the note.
I have grown to love all of the old bolt actions military rifles both because of their designs and history- we are very lucky that the Mauser brothers came along. You are producing very good videos please keep it up-good job Thank you.
Very good and would agree, the mod. 70 is manufactured in a different world entirely, different values and reflected in the workmanship. Thank you, cheers.
I went looking for a pre 64 Winchester yesterday at the Texas Gun Show. I found 1 model 70, but it was 2002 dated I think. Still a beautiful rifle. Theres just something appealing to 40 years of linseed oil hand rubbed into the walnut. I have a nickel steal, 1894 Win. 30WCF, made in 1907, that still shoots sub MOA. So That 54 is on my radar now. :)
I've owned 2 push feed Winchesters, a model 670 in .243 and a model 70 in 30.06. Not as desirable as a controlled feed model 70, but they were both good rifles and accurate. The 670 was a bargain, and I've often wished I hadn't sold mine.
Winchester is hitting it out of the park with their new rifles. They seem to be capitalizing on Remington's "mis-fortunes" as of late. BUT- I have a 1967 700 BDL that is just butter. Such a great rifle. The OLD Remingtons were really nice. I can't pick a favorite. I like admiring and fondling my model 70 lol, but that old Remington just shoots so well.
Thank you for a well-done presentation. I have read great things about Sako and Tikka, from a variety of reputable sources. The brand is now owned by Beretta - but Sako has been making fine hunting rifles for a very long time. Their older designs are particularly prized. They do not surpass the best Winchesters, but are supposed to be comparable to them. CZ, the Czech firm, also makes an excellent rifle - and they offer tremendous value for the money spent.
I agree with you that the M70 Alaskan is an absolutely superlative rifle. Mine is in 300 WM as well !! I think that once you're introduced to the pre-64 M70s and the new CRF ones, there is no turning back.
All 3 brands are excellent, but the 700 Remington has an almost silent safety. This may sound trivial until you have a target very close to you. You also mentioned the Rem 721's, and 722's. I think they are sleepers and may be the collectibles of the future. They still have good value. The 725's are already almost untouchable.
Hi Mike - 100% - and I also see the value of 721's and 722's going up. Their clean lines and simplicity are desired. I noticed the early Remington 870s with no pressed checkering and no checkering at all keep going up.
Back in the early 1980's twice I saw brand new Remington 700s go off without the trigger being pulled. One was a lady who was next to me at the range. She had put in a round and as she closed the bolt the rifle fired. I was looking right at her when it happened. The rifle was just purchased and had a scope mounted and bore sighted. The second was a few weeks later. A Yong man had adjusted a front bag. The moment he pushed off the safety, the rifle fired. Remington spent years denying they had a problem until they lost a class action lawsuit. I have owned 3 model 70s over the years. Never heard the safety make any noise. Always respected the model 70 safety for completely capturing the firing pin verses just blocking the trigger from moving. Your mileage may vary...
Great videos! I recently found your channel and am very impressed with your knowledge and style. As soon as I finish this post, I will be hitting the subscribe button. I must say that most of my life I've been a Remington and Ruger fan. My safes contain multiples of 742, 760, 552, 572 and, of course, 700's along with tang safety Ruger M77 Rl and Rsi's. I'd never owned a Winchester, until about five years ago. I bought two FN M70 Featherweights, one a 7mm08 and one a 257 Rob, built in South Carolina. The build quality and workmanship on these two have unexpectedly made them the favorites in my collection. I could never praise them adequately or enough. In fact, the 7mm08 has replaced "Ole Reliable", the 742 my dad gave to me on my fifteenth Christmas (I'm 62), as my go to deer gun. I've had many people, more knowledgeable than me, comment that the South Carolina M70's are as good or maybe better than even their pre'64's.
Thank you! I suppose one could make the assumption that this presentation on the Winchester Model 70 and Remington Model 700 with their predecessors represents the foundations of modern bolt action rifles. This is a comprehensive and balanced treatment of both classic rifles.
I went with the model 70 (FN made) for many of the reasons you spoke of. I handled and shot model 700 series rifles and they did not have the fit and finish of the M 70. That said, I have handled a few older model 700 classics and they are beautiful. Remington did up the the quality on those and they are well worth the extra money. I also have to say that for the most part, I have friends who have cheaper versions of the model 700 series and they function well as a hunting rifle. So it is really about personal choice and budget. Thank you for this great video, I think the most important thing is that what ever gun you have, enjoy it, practice lots and get out into the great outdoors with it.
You should write the book, I took note on the barrel made with nickel steel, it looks great for it's age. That is a subject that deserves more attention. Thanks so much!
I just zeroed an old model 70 for my uncle Larry.......he met a guy at the store, they got to talking and he got it for 700 dollars with 10 boxes of 30-06 and an old BSA scope and mounts. The old horse was on paper at 50 yards only 3 inches off center, and I shot a 1 inch 5 shot group resting on a shaky old camera tripod. It was in GREAT shape and man it was so sweet shooting, soft and accurate. With Hornady 150 grain soft point, mounting an old scope in rusty old rings, and it ate out the bulls eye the first time I shot it. I've been smitten ever since.......I'm a semi-auto guy who prefers the 7.62x51/308 - AR-10, but a nice Model 70 is IN MY FUTURE. It was just so nice......what a great old gun.
That's a gem. It's how the guns work that matters. Pretty is nice but secondary. I hope younger shooters realize they can be in the field and proudly so with guns such as yours. It's the doing that counts. Thanks for the great post. All the best.
USOG, Sir I have thoroughly enjoyed watching this video. These are the rifles I study the most. I love them. Its so nice to see them all together. I have always felt that the Model 70, and the 1903 Springfield were too similar to just be a coincidence. I am a huge fan of these rifles, and of Your excellent Channel. I hope You and Your Family have a Merry Christmas.
USOG Yesterday evening I made a short video with an old Mossberg 42B that a friend gave Me for Christmas that He picked up at a gun show. I think You will find this rifle intresting, as some unknown previous owner did some very creative art work with the stock. I recall that in one of Your previous videos that You said that You enjoy looking at firearms like this.
I love your videos. I learned some things here. I have a module 70 and 2 700’s. I’ve shot lots of whitetails with them. They are both great rifles!! Thanks!!!
Hi Jamie! I'm so glad! Well done on buying the Model 70 and the 2 700s and congratulations on the hunting success. My freezer is out of venison and it is pretty bleak buying the feedlot meat. Nothing quite like venison. All the best.
Excellent presentation on the history of these rifles. I will be getting the model 70. I love the recoil lugs on the 70's, they just seem so solid and will absorb recoil more efficiently. Thanks again and I look forward to your other videos.
I have two Model 70’s, one in 30.06 made in 1972 and the other in .338 Winchester Mag made in 1968. Both have excellent triggers. Both M70 and REM. 700 are fantastic rifles. Thanks for another great video!!!!❤
I’m getting to like and enjoy tour channel more and more. This is an excellent presentation. A model 70 and a 1903 are two rifles I really miss from my collection. Greetings from Malta 🇲🇹❤️
I can remember the day I brought home the Model 70 in .300 Win Mag. I felt as if I had bought the Corvette of rifles! Tons of power, beautiful, and slick as any rifle anywhere! Well, maybe not as slick as my NOS Canadian .303 Enfield!
Thanks very much for the video. I'm in search for a pre 64 model 70 Target and hearing about the pre 64, pre war and post 64 is really helpful and interesting.
I always thought the Winchester 70 was far superior to the Remington 700. However the older BDLs and ADLs were nice guns. Having said that I suppose I have to say the later Remington's were the product of bean counters and people that were more interested in making a large profit than producing quality rifles. Hence their state today.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I agree. I've owned 3 M700s, 1 used & 2 new. One shot well, but had problems. The other 2 had problems & didn't shoot either. I finally wised up & didn't buy any more. I know a few experienced riflemen who won't have one. My opinion is the M70 is an excellent rifle while the M700 is junk.
My 1st bolt rifle was a model 700adl in rems big 7mm magnum.an excellent rifle and cartridge.. currently a 70 in 3006 a better rifle and cartridge.thanks for posting such great informative videos.you really know your business
My mom bought me my first 700 ADL in 30.06 52 years ago. Killed my first deer with it, and many many animals from MT, AK, Canada, CO, FLA, moose elk, antelope... does the job every time. I've had many other rifles but this is my go to and have sold most of the others. Great rifle and .5 MOA loading 165 gr speer boat tails with IMR 4350 powder. Good review. I also once owned a Model 70 300 win mag.. Another great rifle/ tack driver.
I always thought a Remington to be the more refined rifle! In accuracy, fit and function! Just better put together overall!! The rifling in Remington 700 are better for long range shots!
Awesome video. I have a model 70 ultimate shadow. Are you familiar with it? I read that it has the pre 64 action. It is definitely a CF action. Your vids are very informative. Thanks so much for sharing
Most bolt action rifles can be sub moa accurate and reliable. I have rifles made by most popular companies, especially savage, but...There is no rifle ever made that's better than the winchester model 70 pre 64, or the new model 70's made by FN. The huge recoil lug that's actually part of the receiver, the control round feed, and the reliable 3 position safety, are second to none. Of course, that's just my opinion.
The 700 is a very strong action and performs well. That said the model 54 through the final evolution of the model 70 are my favorite rifles. My only gripe is Winchester’s departure from the near perfect trigger assembly of the model 70. That was a mistake in my view. I am amazed to this day how we can put together so many moving and fixed parts, and obtain such repeatable accuracy. The modern rifle action I have a high opinion of is CZ’s 550 safari action. If I build another hot rod, I will use that action.
I'm guessing, but I believe Winchester paid attention to what was happening with Remington lawsuit and changed the trigger for liability reasons, as it's harder to modify now.
Thank you for a very informative video. Thank you also for not feeling the need to sport facial hair, wear camo, a sidearm, and a tactical folder when doing gun reviews.
Great analysis. I always loved the model 70's and owned several. Maybe just my luck but I could never get any of them to shoot well. For that reason I went to the 700 Remington. Never had a bad one. They all drive tacks!
I have two Model 700 Remington’s, one I bought in 1962 in .222 Remington, the second the Limited Edition Boyd Stocked Black Laminate in .280. They are both excellent. This video goes through the almost entire development. The Winchester bolt actions I own are a Model 72 .22 with a tubular magazine. I still own this rifle. I have half a dozen Model 70s. The new FN built Model 70 is the best current production bolt action I know of. I have owned many brands, I sell those I treasure less. The 2018 competition I see for my money and handling puts the Model 70 as where I feel most comfortable. The Browning X Bolt sure is worth looking at also. Lastly I think the various synthetic stocks are no better than the wood stocked for function or durability. These Winchester Model 70 and Browning X Bolt triggers are really very good! This video is very good for historical overview! His final choice, the Model 70 Alaskan with a wood stock would be a good choice.
@@CharlesRushing-ck2qm I have held the Jack O'Connor rifles. They were HUNTED with a LOT. They have English Walnut stocks, and are STILL in amazing shape! I have seen military warehouse FILLED with broken synthetic stocks. Don't think fiberglass is superior, it is NOT! A Bell and Carlson stock is great, but expensive. A hand rubbed wood stock holds up a LOT better than you might think. Maple though needs a varnish coat. Like the Tech Woods USA thermally hardened stocks Winchester and Browning use for their Tiger Maple. .
USOG You remarked that you're surprised that the other modern bolt actions sell as well as they do. I looked through your videos and I don't see a review of the Browning X-bolt or the Ruger M77 Hawkeye. I would like to see reviews of these rifles. I'm curious about your opinions of both of these.
It would be good to see a review of the Savage 110, which recently became the longest continuously-produced American mass-produced bolt-action rifle, passing both Winchester and Remington. The 110 was designed in 1958 and patented in 1963.
Love the videos I have a sporterized 98 Mauser Argentine 1909 blonde stock leaded weighted reciol pad scope Bushnell 3-9 stock done with 25 coats of true oil 24inch Santa Barbara 3star barrel
Its a very merry Christmas here. Our political climate has changed and we are actually permitted to have a Christmas. Thank you, great video, great guns and great information!
One of the best changes from the model 54 to the model 70 was that Winchester found that if they moved the screws into the bottom behind the the recoil lug instead of in the recoil lug it aided into the rifle being more accurate
I worked in a Gunsmith shop for 9 years and I will tell you, we had to work on 50 Remington 700s to one Winchester model 70. Lots and lots of failures with the firing pin, safety, trigger, and extractor with the 700.
I currently own a newer Portuguese Model 70 and a prewar target rig (not factory, more of an old school palma build), as well as a Dupont era 700 BDL. I agree they're both excellent rifles and that the Winchester has many better features. There is something about the Winchester in the hand and working the bolt that no Remington can equal. However if you move up in push feed quality to the Sako actions (I have a TRG22), those also have some magic. Side note - How about an overview of single shot shotguns? Those are often overlooked and represent some of my favorite scatterguns of all time.
Thank You, CNBC had a backstory linked to your episode regarding the dangers of that Remington firing accidentally and killing children and spouses.⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Merry Christmas and thank you so much for your excellent videos sharing your knowledge and superb collection! The only comment I would make in minor disagreement is that I think the current Montana Rifle Company offerings are in my opinion the better made production rifles than the current made Model 70’s. They maintain the simple trigger design of the original Model 70s.
Yes! I'm a little different than most shooters today. I've been looking for a rifle lately just for target shooting and came across those. Wow, really nice with all of the best features of both rifles.
Hi Josh! You made my day. I had no idea they offer the original trigger. I'll be sure to mention this on a later video and credit your first name for letting me know. That trigger is as good as it gets in the real world. Thank you so much and Merry Christmas.
There was an online auction with 125 vintage rifles last week. There were three unfired 52 Sporters, a Miroku 52 Sporter. Since I wanted to get one and my budget is limited, I told my 83 year old Father to watch the Model 70 rifles. The Sporters, even the Miroku, sold for $3900 up to $5500. Way out of my league, but Dad got a 1959 Model 70 Featherweight in 30-06, unfired since factory, and an apparently unfired 1927 Model 52 target. Both at what I'd consider a steal for 100% condition rifles. I asked if I could buy them since he's got a great collection. He just snickered and said, " you can buy them at my auction." I said, " I couldn't have played that one any worse*. It's very hard to find any fault in a pre 64. I shoot one in .270 with open sights as it has a low comb so a scope is silly. It's accuracy, field of vision and feel in hand just can't be matched.
Back in 83, I wanted to get rid of my 7mm magnum and get a 30-06. The 7mm was just a bit much for whitetail deer (IMO) I went to a firearms dealer and they had 3 different bolt action 30-06's. A Weatherby Vanguard, Remington 700, and a Wenchester Model 70 in a featherweight. All fine rifles, I am sure. Also, up until that day, every rifle I had previously purchased were all Remingtons. The forearm of the Vanguard was just too thick for my liking. The Remington felt great, but when I threw it up to take aim, the sights were not quite in alignment to me. The Winchester felt great. The sight alignment was perfect without moving my head at all, and the lighter weight was also nice. I took the cellophane wrap off a pack of cigarettes and wrapped it around the barrel and slid it down. On the Remington, it would not slide all the way down to the receiver like it did on the Winchester's free floating barrel. I bought the Winchester and still using it today. Very accurate and dependable.
Great choice, great rifle. The Model 70 - new or pre-64, remains a superb rifle - and that includes the push feed models. I have an XTR that is as accurate as any rifle I own - it has iron sights - and it handles like a dream; just as your '06. Thanks for writing.
As you said ,"the 700 has proven itself". The haters are in denial. Sure it's a much simpler design but as a long range accuracy buff and very experienced hand loader I can tell you, less moving parts translates to better accuracy.
Yeah I'm surprised at the so called hate for the most successful bolt action rifle ever made that has a reputation for excellent accuracy. They intentionally wanted the 700 to be more affordable. I love both my 1967 700 and brand new model 70. The fit and finish on the 70 is nicer, but something about my old 700, it just "fits" and damn does it shoot.
@@kenworthNH Amen to that. It's also very profound that many are piling on Remington when they're down . I didn't see that when Winchester was down and out. It's crazy that this day and age when gun ownership is under tremendous attack, that many would want Remington to fail.
absolutely right, the model 70 Winchester in my opinion is a superior rifle, especially in the 270 caliper. I inherited my dad's 270, pre-64, model 70 and I treasure it greatly. Never did like the Remington model 700.
I do not have a model 70 yet but I do have a 700 and is the only rifle I own that is more accurate then I am ..mine was made in 1967 and I was able to get it in unfired condition (which is great for me but sad for the guy who owned it before me ...was a farmer in OK who bought it to go elk hunting in alaska back in the 60s and it sat in his safe ...he never got to go elk hunting)
Get the trigger replaced the Remington 700 will DISCHARGE if TAKEN OFF SAFETY it has happened to multiple people i know REMINGTON COVERED IT UP! This applies to the Remington 700/715/710/770/783
Hello, I,m Bob, I have a 1943 model 70 USMC Sniper Rifle, my Dad bought it for me around 1963, put in the closet and that is where it lived until 1995, Let me tell you the exact details of the rifle, I fired it at the range 100 yrds, 6 inc. group at best. Along the stock no padding on butt plate, the rear sight, redfield flip up peep, with the hooded front sight, also atop of your peep was a Weaver K 4 Scope,Now you could use either iron sights or scope, but there was little room between both, you had two peeps, short distance, and I guess 200yrds (I guess). Now everything is the same as your model 54 except this is ( BIG) you have a screw forward the trigger, one after the recoil lug, then there was this big metal lump on the barrel that fit may be 2inch. before the end of the stock, they call it a (Harmonic Balance) Needless to say I had problems, barrel almost smooth, trigger would stick, bolt would fire when you locked it, stock was warped, Ok you get the picture, now if it were you, would you rebuild it, or leave it nothing but a dust collector?
I just bought my first Model 70, in a 7mm caliber. Shot my first elk with it -- 175 grain bullet, 220 yards. He dropped after 3 steps. I will be 80 yrs old in three weeks. Thanks for confirming my choice of rifles with your video.
Outstanding to see you're still firing a rifle. Much less hunting. I'm 30 and I hope to still be able to do what I love when I am your age, god willing I live that long
Model 70. The Rifleman's rifle. I was proud to have worked for Winchester in my youth. Mainly because of that rifle and the Model 1894. But mainly the Model 70. Thanks for this video.
Hi Doby! You're the first and only employee of the original and real deal that I've heard from! Thanks for writing.
Doby I got a question for you what is a 770 is there any difference at all? Other then the extra 7 ?
@@McDanielRanch - The Model 770 was a budget version of the push-feed Model 70, later called the Model 70A. No hinged floorplate, no ebony fore-end tip, and plain walnut stock - similar to the Remington 700 ADL. The Model 670 even more basic. Matte finish, polished (not jeweled) bolt with non-knurled bolt knob, and hardwood stock with impressed checkering. Sears' Ted Williams Model 53 rifles were essentially 770s.
I’m always amazed by the craftsmanship of the old rifles. We stand on the shoulders of giants!
You could not be anymore right then you are ! My grandfather hunted with a 1942 pre war model 70, my father with a pre-64 and myself with current production model 70.... but I do have alot of love for the older 700's, pre-2000ish and especially the Sako 75, along with too many others to list
Amen
I gave my oldest grandson my pre-64 M-70 in .243. My dad dad bought it from the feed store owner circa 1958-59 as I recall. It’s accounted for a lot of whitetails, muleys and antelope over the years.
People were actually MORE intelligent back then, hard as that may be to believe.
They were far more objective, discerning, and as hardship was never very far from their doors, they had a huge eagerness to improve their World. You can hear it in their diction and vocabulary which was far superior to the average English speaker of today.
People have been dumbed down. This is why in certain areas where scrutiny and innovation is more important than simply technological edge, a lot of older stuff REALLY was better made.
Thanks for the video. The first rifle I bought was in 1972 at a local gun store in Ann Arbor during my college days. It was a pre-war Model 70 Winchester in 30-06 (barrel dated 1936) and I got it for the princely sum of $150. It was drilled for a side scope mount and I had the local gunsmith attach a Griffin and Howe quick detachable scope mount to the receiver. It'll group ~1.5 moa on a good day. I'm never letting that gem go. I hope that one of my sons will keep it when I pass on.
Hi Tony - High value rifle you have there - as you know. Great purchase and the G&H side mount is a classic - the only side mount I know of that does not decrease the value of the rifle. I'm sure your sons will appreciate that great rifle - likely already do - one of the few things worth owning. Also, hunters only leave the trails here to move to trails elsewhere, to be joined in time by family and friends IMHO Thanks for the note.
I just discovered your channel and, in all sincerity - thank you for your presentations.
Thanks Larry, Glad your here and I appreciate your kind words.
I have grown to love all of the old bolt actions military rifles both because of their designs and history- we are very lucky that the Mauser brothers came along. You are producing very good videos please keep it up-good job Thank you.
Very good and would agree, the mod. 70 is manufactured in a different world entirely, different values and reflected in the workmanship. Thank you, cheers.
You sure know your history of guns! So very interesting!
My brand new model 70 in 270 winchester has controlled feed and claw extracter and I love it! Great no nonsense trigger.
About perfect rifle Richard - and I can't even figure out why I wrote "about" : )
Thank you for the wisdom in rifles you have given to an old man. I've learnex so much from every video I watch.
Excellent long form production. All in one take, impressive. Most informative, thank you.
Thank you ZH
I went looking for a pre 64 Winchester yesterday at the Texas Gun Show. I found 1 model 70, but it was 2002 dated I think. Still a beautiful rifle. Theres just something appealing to 40 years of linseed oil hand rubbed into the walnut. I have a nickel steal, 1894 Win. 30WCF, made in 1907, that still shoots sub MOA. So That 54 is on my radar now. :)
I thoroughly enjoy your reviews on various rifles, and have been a big fan for many years. Keep up the excellent videos.
good video. Keep up the good work.
I love the old rifles. Like fine furniture it’s sad they don’t build like that anymore
I've owned 2 push feed Winchesters, a model 670 in .243 and a model 70 in 30.06. Not as desirable as a controlled feed model 70, but they were both good rifles and accurate. The 670 was a bargain, and I've often wished I hadn't sold mine.
I love my 700 in 30 06 fine shooting rifle
As good as it gets Melvin - in the real world it is about all one needs.
Winchester is hitting it out of the park with their new rifles. They seem to be capitalizing on Remington's "mis-fortunes" as of late.
BUT- I have a 1967 700 BDL that is just butter. Such a great rifle. The OLD Remingtons were really nice.
I can't pick a favorite. I like admiring and fondling my model 70 lol, but that old Remington just shoots so well.
Thank you for a well-done presentation. I have read great things about Sako and Tikka, from a variety of reputable sources. The brand is now owned by Beretta - but Sako has been making fine hunting rifles for a very long time. Their older designs are particularly prized. They do not surpass the best Winchesters, but are supposed to be comparable to them. CZ, the Czech firm, also makes an excellent rifle - and they offer tremendous value for the money spent.
Fine words - they really are excellent.
tika and cz, the new remington and winchester
I agree with you that the M70 Alaskan is an absolutely superlative rifle. Mine is in 300 WM as well !! I think that once you're introduced to the pre-64 M70s and the new CRF ones, there is no turning back.
All 3 brands are excellent, but the 700 Remington has an almost silent safety. This may sound trivial until you have a target very close to you. You also mentioned the Rem 721's, and 722's. I think they are sleepers and may be the collectibles of the future. They still have good value. The 725's are already almost untouchable.
Hi Mike - 100% - and I also see the value of 721's and 722's going up. Their clean lines and simplicity are desired. I noticed the early Remington 870s with no pressed checkering and no checkering at all keep going up.
I agree!!!!
I still have my late fathers Rem. 725 chambered in .280 Remington. Great firearm.
Back in the early 1980's twice I saw brand new Remington 700s go off without the trigger being pulled. One was a lady who was next to me at the range. She had put in a round and as she closed the bolt the rifle fired. I was looking right at her when it happened. The rifle was just purchased and had a scope mounted and bore sighted. The second was a few weeks later. A Yong man had adjusted a front bag. The moment he pushed off the safety, the rifle fired. Remington spent years denying they had a problem until they lost a class action lawsuit. I have owned 3 model 70s over the years. Never heard the safety make any noise. Always respected the model 70 safety for completely capturing the firing pin verses just blocking the trigger from moving. Your mileage may vary...
Great videos! I recently found your channel and am very impressed with your knowledge and style. As soon as I finish this post, I will be hitting the subscribe button. I must say that most of my life I've been a Remington and Ruger fan. My safes contain multiples of 742, 760, 552, 572 and, of course, 700's along with tang safety Ruger M77 Rl and Rsi's. I'd never owned a Winchester, until about five years ago. I bought two FN M70 Featherweights, one a 7mm08 and one a 257 Rob, built in South Carolina. The build quality and workmanship on these two have unexpectedly made them the favorites in my collection. I could never praise them adequately or enough. In fact, the 7mm08 has replaced "Ole Reliable", the 742 my dad gave to me on my fifteenth Christmas (I'm 62), as my go to deer gun. I've had many people, more knowledgeable than me, comment that the South Carolina M70's are as good or maybe better than even their pre'64's.
Incredible discussion thanks so much for your work it’s much appreciated.
Thank you!
Thank you! I suppose one could make the assumption that this presentation on the Winchester Model 70 and Remington Model 700 with their predecessors represents the foundations of modern bolt action rifles. This is a comprehensive and balanced treatment of both classic rifles.
Thanks Rich - I probably forgot a few things....but tried : )
Absolutely! Over
As a fellow gun lover I enjoy your informative tutorials
Thanks you BC
I went with the model 70 (FN made) for many of the reasons you spoke of. I handled and shot model 700 series rifles and they did not have the fit and finish of the M 70. That said, I have handled a few older model 700 classics and they are beautiful. Remington did up the the quality on those and they are well worth the extra money. I also have to say that for the most part, I have friends who have cheaper versions of the model 700 series and they function well as a hunting rifle. So it is really about personal choice and budget. Thank you for this great video, I think the most important thing is that what ever gun you have, enjoy it, practice lots and get out into the great outdoors with it.
Wise words from someone who knows. "enjoy it, practice lots, and get out into the great outdoors with it." You should write a book one day.
You should write the book, I took note on the barrel made with nickel steel, it looks great for it's age. That is a subject that deserves more attention. Thanks so much!
I have a model 700 BDL from 1993. You know you have a rifle in your hands.
I just zeroed an old model 70 for my uncle Larry.......he met a guy at the store, they got to talking and he got it for 700 dollars with 10 boxes of 30-06 and an old BSA scope and mounts. The old horse was on paper at 50 yards only 3 inches off center, and I shot a 1 inch 5 shot group resting on a shaky old camera tripod. It was in GREAT shape and man it was so sweet shooting, soft and accurate. With Hornady 150 grain soft point, mounting an old scope in rusty old rings, and it ate out the bulls eye the first time I shot it. I've been smitten ever since.......I'm a semi-auto guy who prefers the 7.62x51/308 - AR-10, but a nice Model 70 is IN MY FUTURE. It was just so nice......what a great old gun.
That's a gem. It's how the guns work that matters. Pretty is nice but secondary. I hope younger shooters realize they can be in the field and proudly so with guns such as yours. It's the doing that counts. Thanks for the great post. All the best.
Thank you so much for making this video. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge on this subject. I’m immediately a fan.
Much appreciated! Thank you for your support!
USOG, Sir I have thoroughly enjoyed watching this video. These are the rifles I study the most. I love them. Its so nice to see them all together. I have always felt that the Model 70, and the 1903 Springfield were too similar to just be a coincidence. I am a huge fan of these rifles, and of Your excellent Channel. I hope You and Your Family have a Merry Christmas.
So many meanings in these guns. Have a wonderful Christmas!
USOG Yesterday evening I made a short video with an old Mossberg 42B that a friend gave Me for Christmas that He picked up at a gun show. I think You will find this rifle intresting, as some unknown previous owner did some very creative art work with the stock. I recall that in one of Your previous videos that You said that You enjoy looking at firearms like this.
I love your videos. I learned some things here. I have a module 70 and 2 700’s. I’ve shot lots of whitetails with them. They are both great rifles!! Thanks!!!
Hi Jamie! I'm so glad! Well done on buying the Model 70 and the 2 700s and congratulations on the hunting success. My freezer is out of venison and it is pretty bleak buying the feedlot meat. Nothing quite like venison. All the best.
Excellent presentation on the history of these rifles. I will be getting the model 70. I love the recoil lugs on the 70's, they just seem so solid and will absorb recoil more efficiently. Thanks again and I look forward to your other videos.
Glad you are getting a Model 70 - it is a complete rifle in every way - wanting for nothing - as you know.
I have two Model 70’s, one in 30.06 made in 1972 and the other in .338 Winchester Mag made in 1968. Both have excellent triggers. Both M70 and REM. 700 are fantastic rifles. Thanks for another great video!!!!❤
I’m getting to like and enjoy tour channel more and more. This is an excellent presentation. A model 70 and a 1903 are two rifles I really miss from my collection. Greetings from Malta 🇲🇹❤️
Thanks Jon - hope you get them again. Malta - stunning and historic place to live - thanks for the note and take care.
I learned alot from this , Both are Fantastic Rifles !!!!!
I can remember the day I brought home the Model 70 in .300 Win Mag.
I felt as if I had bought the Corvette of rifles! Tons of power, beautiful, and slick as any rifle anywhere!
Well, maybe not as slick as my NOS Canadian .303 Enfield!
The target rifles with open sights for matches are really nice on both models.
I found your channel a few weeks ago and I really like your reviews very helpful. Thanks so much. Merry Xmas
Thank you! Merry Christmas and all the best for the New Year - glad you found the channel.
Thanks very much for the video. I'm in search for a pre 64 model 70 Target and hearing about the pre 64, pre war and post 64 is really helpful and interesting.
There's a CMP model 70 target on Gunbroker right now. It's just the barreled action though. It is in very good condition with lots of detailed photos.
I always thought the Winchester 70 was far superior to the Remington 700. However the older BDLs and ADLs were nice guns. Having said that I suppose I have to say the later Remington's were the product of bean counters and people that were more interested in making a large profit than producing quality rifles. Hence their state today.
Hi Lee - You're right on all counts.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I agree. I've owned 3 M700s, 1 used & 2 new. One shot well, but had problems. The other 2 had problems & didn't shoot either. I finally wised up & didn't buy any more. I know a few experienced riflemen who won't have one. My opinion is the M70 is an excellent rifle while the M700 is junk.
you get what you pay for
great video
the model 70 is still my favorite
That's the right favorite!
Thank you so much for sharing . I really enjoy your vids. Merry Christmas .
My 1st bolt rifle was a model 700adl in rems big 7mm magnum.an excellent rifle and cartridge.. currently a 70 in 3006 a better rifle and cartridge.thanks for posting such great informative videos.you really know your business
Had hands on a ‘54 .....will purchase the next one if it is in the same condition. Fantastic modification of the K98.
very good video, very informative. i really liked the one on the model 100 win and the model 88 great stuff
That brochure is amazing, you need scan and upload it. That's a piece of heritage right there!!
Good idea - I'll find out how to do that. Thank you!
I love the bolt action rifles very much..I still have Winchester model 70 and Remington 700 ..plus Ruger 77 all very nice rifles thanks!
Ace, King Queen - only you know the order : )
My mom bought me my first 700 ADL in 30.06 52 years ago. Killed my first deer with it, and many many animals from MT, AK, Canada, CO, FLA, moose elk, antelope... does the job every time. I've had many other rifles but this is my go to and have sold most of the others. Great rifle and .5 MOA loading 165 gr speer boat tails with IMR 4350 powder. Good review. I also once owned a Model 70 300 win mag.. Another great rifle/ tack driver.
I had a post 64 m70. My only complaint was it was picky about ammo and accuracy. With the right load it shot fine.
Thank you very much for excellent videos and discussion on rifles.
Thanks Ivar!
Glad I found your channel!
Thanks Paw
Merry Christmas !!! Thanks for the educative video :D
Thank you Robert and you as well; health, happiness, family and all good things.
I always thought a Remington to be the more refined rifle! In accuracy, fit and function! Just better put together overall!! The rifling in Remington 700 are better for long range shots!
Not a chance
@@Gideom007 Not a chance you are close to correct. You really need to read and do your homework.
Awesome video. I have a model 70 ultimate shadow. Are you familiar with it? I read that it has the pre 64 action. It is definitely a CF action. Your vids are very informative. Thanks so much for sharing
I think when the shadows come out it was the cf/push feed bolt a hybrid of both
very informative video, seems remington wanted to make rifle cheaper, and did. Gotta love the model 70
Most bolt action rifles can be sub moa accurate and reliable. I have rifles made by most popular companies, especially savage, but...There is no rifle ever made that's better than the winchester model 70 pre 64, or the new model 70's made by FN. The huge recoil lug that's actually part of the receiver, the control round feed, and the reliable 3 position safety, are second to none. Of course, that's just my opinion.
That's a great opinion Texan. Few would disagree with you.
have model 54 made in 1930 ,20' barrel still in use for hunting very accurate and barrel is still like new
A gem.
The 700 is a very strong action and performs well. That said the model 54 through the final evolution of the model 70 are my favorite rifles. My only gripe is Winchester’s departure from the near perfect trigger assembly of the model 70. That was a mistake in my view.
I am amazed to this day how we can put together so many moving and fixed parts, and obtain such repeatable accuracy. The modern rifle action I have a high opinion of is CZ’s 550 safari action. If I build another hot rod, I will use that action.
Great comment. The Model 70 had it all. Your 550 build is going to be something!
I'm guessing, but I believe Winchester paid attention to what was happening with Remington lawsuit and changed the trigger for liability reasons, as it's harder to modify now.
Outstanding video. Merry Christmas!!! 🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄
Hi Rick, my steadfast friend and supporter. Have a wonderful Christmas full of peace and joy. And thank you for being here and always writing.
Thank you for a very informative video. Thank you also for not feeling the need to sport facial hair, wear camo, a sidearm, and a tactical folder when doing gun reviews.
Great analysis. I always loved the model 70's and owned several. Maybe just my luck but I could never get any of them to shoot well. For that reason I went to the 700 Remington. Never had a bad one. They all drive tacks!
Very informative presentation, thanks.
A left handed model 700! Very nice, I have always wanted one. My Ruger 77 mk II left hand scratched the itch.
Good video. Learned a few things!
Another great video! Thanks for mentioning me. It’s pretty surreal hearing ones name on a quality video.
My privilege Brayden. Merry Christmas!
I have two Model 700 Remington’s, one I bought in 1962 in .222 Remington, the second the Limited Edition Boyd Stocked Black Laminate in .280. They are both excellent. This video goes through the almost entire development. The Winchester bolt actions I own are a Model 72 .22 with a tubular magazine. I still own this rifle. I have half a dozen Model 70s. The new FN built Model 70 is the best current production bolt action I know of. I have owned many brands, I sell those I treasure less. The 2018 competition I see for my money and handling puts the Model 70 as where I feel most comfortable. The Browning X Bolt sure is worth looking at also. Lastly I think the various synthetic stocks are no better than the wood stocked for function or durability. These Winchester Model 70 and Browning X Bolt triggers are really very good! This video is very good for historical overview! His final choice, the Model 70 Alaskan with a wood stock would be a good choice.
LOVE wood so much that I hate to ding it up. I don't care as much about the fiberglass.
@@CharlesRushing-ck2qm I have held the Jack O'Connor rifles. They were HUNTED with a LOT. They have English Walnut stocks, and are STILL in amazing shape! I have seen military warehouse FILLED with broken synthetic stocks. Don't think fiberglass is superior, it is NOT! A Bell and Carlson stock is great, but expensive. A hand rubbed wood stock holds up a LOT better than you might think. Maple though needs a varnish coat. Like the Tech Woods USA thermally hardened stocks Winchester and Browning use for their Tiger Maple. .
I'd love to see a comparison of the safety mechanisms.
USOG You remarked that you're surprised that the other modern bolt actions sell as well as they do. I looked through your videos and I don't see a review of the Browning X-bolt or the Ruger M77 Hawkeye. I would like to see reviews of these rifles. I'm curious about your opinions of both of these.
It would be good to see a review of the Savage 110, which recently became the longest continuously-produced American mass-produced bolt-action rifle, passing both Winchester and Remington. The 110 was designed in 1958 and patented in 1963.
Love the videos I have a sporterized 98 Mauser Argentine 1909 blonde stock leaded weighted reciol pad scope Bushnell 3-9 stock done with 25 coats of true oil 24inch Santa Barbara 3star barrel
That sounds like a very nice rig - with so many coats, the finish must be like glass.
Its a very merry Christmas here. Our political climate has changed and we are actually permitted to have a Christmas. Thank you, great video, great guns and great information!
It's a great time of year; so exciting for children of all ages : )
Yes, here in Canada, many of us embrace Christmas, so Merry Christmas everyone!
When were you ever not allowed to celebrate christmas? Typical whiny republicunt snowflake. Have a Happy Holiday snowflake.
One of the best changes from the model 54 to the model 70 was that Winchester found that if they moved the screws into the bottom behind the the recoil lug instead of in the recoil lug it aided into the rifle being more accurate
My dad has a 700 for hunting, and its a nice gun. Fits like a glove.
Merry Christmas
Excellent video. Thank you.
I was surprised you didn’t mention the Remington 721 that was the predecessor of the Remington 700. It was an excellent and accurate rifle.
The 721 is great - sorry I forgot to mention - I only have one left but it is a great one: a 721 Deluxe in .257 Roberts - I'll make a video
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you. I look forward to the video.
I worked in a Gunsmith shop for 9 years and I will tell you, we had to work on 50 Remington 700s to one Winchester model 70. Lots and lots of failures with the firing pin, safety, trigger, and extractor with the 700.
Interesting, I own a shop and it’s just the opposite here, it’s probably 70 winchesters we work on to every 1 Remington.
Yep!
After the 2nd time my weak 700 extractor quit working, i vowed to never buy another Remington anything. Give me a tikka with an m16 extractor
@whiteyfisk9769 we installed sako extractors and aftermarket triggers (usually Timney) and that fixed most (not all) the 700's problems.
Thanks for the side buy side and history
You're welcome Mike!
I really enjoyed this video, thanks.
"The Remington 700 is the best-selling big game rifle in the world, and it was for damm sure the Hawkins rifle of the 20th century." - Richard Mann
You would surely like to meet Mike Turner of Cloudcroft, New Mexico! His handmade titanium bolt, carbon fiber stock firearms are something to behold!
Remington 721 with a Sako Extractor Mod is nearly perfect. It is definitely a lot more than most people would ever need.
Ideal - I've done it : )
I currently own a newer Portuguese Model 70 and a prewar target rig (not factory, more of an old school palma build), as well as a Dupont era 700 BDL. I agree they're both excellent rifles and that the Winchester has many better features. There is something about the Winchester in the hand and working the bolt that no Remington can equal. However if you move up in push feed quality to the Sako actions (I have a TRG22), those also have some magic.
Side note - How about an overview of single shot shotguns? Those are often overlooked and represent some of my favorite scatterguns of all time.
That's a fine suggestion. Single shot shotguns are overlooked. I'll make a video. Thank you!
I have both and love both
Good on you Michael - both superb
Thank You, CNBC had a backstory linked to your episode regarding the dangers of that Remington firing accidentally and killing children and spouses.⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thanks for letting me know Isidore - I had no idea.
Back in 1997 or 96 I bought a Model 70 in .270 LH. I sold it about 5 years ago. I kick myself in the butt everytime I read an article about them.
Uh oh. That makes two of us for selling. Many boot marks on my pants.
Very interesting history. Thanks.
Thanks for sharing, I enjoyed this video
Would love to see a video of the quality of CZ rifles like the 550.
Merry Christmas and thank you so much for your excellent videos sharing your knowledge and superb collection!
The only comment I would make in minor disagreement is that I think the current Montana Rifle Company offerings are in my opinion the better made production rifles than the current made Model 70’s. They maintain the simple trigger design of the original Model 70s.
Yes! I'm a little different than most shooters today. I've been looking for a rifle lately just for target shooting and came across those. Wow, really nice with all of the best features of both rifles.
Hi Josh! You made my day. I had no idea they offer the original trigger. I'll be sure to mention this on a later video and credit your first name for letting me know. That trigger is as good as it gets in the real world. Thank you so much and Merry Christmas.
That's great!
There was an online auction with 125 vintage rifles last week. There were three unfired 52 Sporters, a Miroku 52 Sporter. Since I wanted to get one and my budget is limited, I told my 83 year old Father to watch the Model 70 rifles. The Sporters, even the Miroku, sold for $3900 up to $5500. Way out of my league, but Dad got a 1959 Model 70 Featherweight in 30-06, unfired since factory, and an apparently unfired 1927 Model 52 target. Both at what I'd consider a steal for 100% condition rifles. I asked if I could buy them since he's got a great collection. He just snickered and said, " you can buy them at my auction." I said, " I couldn't have played that one any worse*. It's very hard to find any fault in a pre 64. I shoot one in .270 with open sights as it has a low comb so a scope is silly. It's accuracy, field of vision and feel in hand just can't be matched.
Back in 83, I wanted to get rid of my 7mm magnum and get a 30-06. The 7mm was just a bit much for whitetail deer (IMO) I went to a firearms dealer and they had 3 different bolt action 30-06's. A Weatherby Vanguard, Remington 700, and a Wenchester Model 70 in a featherweight. All fine rifles, I am sure. Also, up until that day, every rifle I had previously purchased were all Remingtons. The forearm of the Vanguard was just too thick for my liking. The Remington felt great, but when I threw it up to take aim, the sights were not quite in alignment to me. The Winchester felt great. The sight alignment was perfect without moving my head at all, and the lighter weight was also nice. I took the cellophane wrap off a pack of cigarettes and wrapped it around the barrel and slid it down. On the Remington, it would not slide all the way down to the receiver like it did on the Winchester's free floating barrel. I bought the Winchester and still using it today. Very accurate and dependable.
Great choice, great rifle. The Model 70 - new or pre-64, remains a superb rifle - and that includes the push feed models. I have an XTR that is as accurate as any rifle I own - it has iron sights - and it handles like a dream; just as your '06. Thanks for writing.
Learned a lot from this
As you said ,"the 700 has proven itself". The haters are in denial. Sure it's a much simpler design but as a long range accuracy buff and very experienced hand loader I can tell you, less moving parts translates to better accuracy.
Yeah I'm surprised at the so called hate for the most successful bolt action rifle ever made that has a reputation for excellent accuracy.
They intentionally wanted the 700 to be more affordable.
I love both my 1967 700 and brand new model 70.
The fit and finish on the 70 is nicer, but something about my old 700, it just "fits" and damn does it shoot.
@@kenworthNH Amen to that. It's also very profound that many are piling on Remington when they're down . I didn't see that when Winchester was down and out.
It's crazy that this day and age when gun ownership is under tremendous attack, that many would want Remington to fail.
absolutely right, the model 70 Winchester in my opinion is a superior rifle, especially in the 270 caliper. I inherited my dad's 270, pre-64, model 70 and I treasure it greatly. Never did like the Remington model 700.
I used to like the 700, but experience changed that.
i really like the Rem. model 30! but how can one not like the Win.+ Mauser. i life them all!!!
I do not have a model 70 yet but I do have a 700 and is the only rifle I own that is more accurate then I am ..mine was made in 1967 and I was able to get it in unfired condition (which is great for me but sad for the guy who owned it before me ...was a farmer in OK who bought it to go elk hunting in alaska back in the 60s and it sat in his safe ...he never got to go elk hunting)
I have a late 60/early 70.700,love it
Fine rifles!
Get the trigger replaced the Remington 700 will DISCHARGE if TAKEN OFF SAFETY it has happened to multiple people i know REMINGTON COVERED IT UP! This applies to the Remington 700/715/710/770/783
VERY GOOD IN ALL RESPECTS. THANK YOU.
Hello, I,m Bob, I have a 1943 model 70 USMC Sniper Rifle, my Dad bought it for me around 1963, put in the closet and that is where it lived until 1995, Let me tell you the exact details of the rifle, I fired it at the range 100 yrds, 6 inc. group at best. Along the stock no padding on butt plate, the rear sight, redfield flip up peep, with the hooded front sight, also atop of your peep was a Weaver K 4 Scope,Now you could use either iron sights or scope, but there was little room between both, you had two peeps, short distance, and I guess 200yrds (I guess). Now everything is the same as your model 54 except this is ( BIG) you have a screw forward the trigger, one after the recoil lug, then there was this big metal lump on the barrel that fit may be 2inch. before the end of the stock, they call it a (Harmonic Balance) Needless to say I had problems, barrel almost smooth, trigger would stick, bolt would fire when you locked it, stock was warped, Ok you get the picture, now if it were you, would you rebuild it, or leave it nothing but a dust collector?
Hi Bob - I would restore it - great project IMHO Sorry for being slow getting back to you. My best, Mike
I have 1969 700 in 30.06 Springfield,22 inch barrel love it
Perfect vintage!
Good Info! Thank you for sharing
excellent job.. you are top notch :)