That's my dad, the Commander Air-so proud of him. Now that he has passed, I watch this often. I remember visiting the Ark as a kid. What a Royal Navy we had!
sledger2003 Thank you for that. It means a lot. Not bad for a boy who ran away to sea aged 15, did the yard arm at Ganges and worked his way up to Commodore! I wonder if that could happen in today's Royal Navy.
+Paul Northard Good to see I'm not the only one who remembers visiting the Ark as a kid, its my most oldest recollection in fact at around 3 & half years of age in 1973. Your Dad comes across as nice chap Paul and nice you can see him here...
He was the kind of Gent that people would look up to and obey without question. Those calm and expert judgement calls which inspires the military men and women. We desperately need many more of his caliber in todays Armed Forces. You were lucky Paul, to have such a man as your Father.
1:52 that’s my grandfather, Keith Furniss. He recently suffered a serious stroke and has sadly lost the ability to talk, but I have lots of great memories of listening to him talk all about his time on HMS Ark Royal and HMS Invincible. He’s an incredibly inspirational man, he was in the army in the 50’s, was a fireman in the 60’s, and an aircraft handler with the navy right up until the mid 80’s. UPDATE: I am very sad to report that Keith Furniss has passed away, thank you so much to all the lovely people here who have shared their memories of him. We are all very sad to have lost him, but as a family we have been sharing our memories of him and celebrating his life, he was a truly amazing man, and he will always be my hero. Tonight I will definitely be having a drink in his honour!
So sorry to hear that, my dad David Edmund George left us on the 22nd October 2017, he did mention your grandfathers name to me when he watched some old footage
There's just something about British aviation, it's so calm and proficient. Me and other Americans typically think of the likes of Maverick and Goose when we think of fighter pilots, but the Fleet Air Arm ain't having any of that lol. Everyone in this video is so cool-headed and professional. Absolute experts through and through, I love it.
February 1967, NAS Miramar. San Diego: The Royal Navy had assigned a dozen aircrew as instructors in our Navy's F-4 training squadron, in preparation for the RN receiving the F-4K which was the RN variant of the Phantom. My first two F-4 flights as a nugget Naval Aviator were with LT Dick Lord, RN as my back seat instructor (and our F-4's had no flight controls in back). Dick was totally cool and confident as a "helpless" passenger during those two flights. We Yanks had much respect for those Brit visitors. And, I'm sure you realize that Maverick and Goose relate as much to reality as does most of what comes out of Hollywood.
@@hitorque2734 Mavericks character is loosely based on Randall Duke Cunningham as Duke actually did alot of those antics in real life. Buzzin the tower, the Admirals daughter on a golf course (he didn't know she was at the time) and a few of his sayings made it into the movie. Atleast it sure looks like it after all I've learned about Duke and from many who know him. Ever meet him?
+Rubens Junior The Fat Pig Phantom was out classed in a dogfight against the MIG 21. It took FOUR Phantoms and EIGHT missiles to down TWO MIG 21s in Vietnam April 16 1972. One by sheer luck and the other was a rookie pilot. They only beat the MIG21 by outnumbering them. The Argentinian A4s would have had our few Phantoms for breakfast in 1982. Luckily we had the Harrier and the AIM9L Sidewinder.
+eric tull The Phantom is a good example of the American way of buildings machines, big, powerful and a little awkward to "maneuver". Having a Phantom in a dogfight with a Mig 21 is almost the same as a Big block Chevelle racing against a 911 Porsche in a road course.
+Rubens Junior To be honest the answer is NO. Compare the US boxy Phantom with the curved lines of the UK's Buccaneer - but they are different aircraft for different purposes
Check the reactions of the senior officers in the tower - they've been there before and know just how hard it is. Matter of fact and unanimous in their spontaneous relief that he made the last trap. The fact that he was a RAF Buccaneer pilot is enough for me. High praise deserved. Hat's off to all these aviators and handlers.
"If he misses this I'm afraid we'll have to divert him to St Mawgan." Royal Navy understatement for "if he misses this he WILL run out of fuel, crash and die horribly." 😂
It's awesome to hear the lovely calm British voice, encouragement all the way. Nothing negative, no whooping and holering just good old fashioned understatement hahaha
Could not have said it better myself Bazz. This reminds of the RAF boys during WW2 and the former glory days of England. Just look at it now !!! These Gents would barely recognize it.
What 'glory days'? Pissing away an empire by getting involved In a continental conflict? Good thing the Yanks had plenty of cash and weapons to lend you.
Good thing the Yanks leeched every aviation and military innovation from the UK and europe, they even took nazis home to get the rocket to the moon. Yanks, all cash no brains
The weapons were NOT lent......They were purchased on a system called...Lend-Lease and the payments for WW2 were only finalised about 8 years ago....Also..The "Yanks" only entered the war in 1942 after Pearl Harbour. Many Americans got rich on UK's misery.
Having served in the RAN I am immensly impressed by the calm, supportive attitude of the CAG and his staff. I have served (not in Naval Aviation) under some senior officers who did NOT think anyone else was allowed a learning curve!!!
Loved this footage, my old man was a CPO on two commissions in the sixties, visited the old girl a couple of times on family days. Still have a couple of commemorative first day covers carried on the Phantom F4K that made the fasted transatlantic crossing.
I was on HMCS Fraser the day Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, flew out on a Sea King To decommission the Ark Royal... flying her Royal Standard off the Sea King I will never forget it....somewhere in the North Sea.....This footage really shook me.....Thank you for posting it.
I'm 35 so these aircraft carriers were scrapped just around the time I was born. It's astonishing to see my country used to project this kind of military power and what we are now reduced to.
There was a time that we (British) pretty much took for granted the fact that our forces would respond expeditiously to any threats. For example, the Guatemalan threat to British Honduras and its proposed independence in 1972. Ark Royal played a crucial role in delivering a show of force to the Guatemalans, who believed Britain was too far away to intervene. Nowadays we have David Cameron's legacy, his "step change in the way we protect this country's security interests" - which evidently amounts to him padding around after third world leaders like a bewildered dog looking for scraps, trying to bribe them with British taxpayers' money to not hurt us.
Very sad those days are no more. I don't know for certain but when Eagle, Ark Royal, and Victorious were gone the USN had to build more carriers to make up for it. Maybe not, just something that occurred to me. It didn't have to be that way though.
I'm 63 and grew up near Rosyth, it was not unusual to see a couple of carriers in the Forth at the same time. In the '60s the UK had several ( 8 I believe) carriers in service.
The F-4 Phantom is my favorite jet. It's had an enviable combat record. I know a few retired F-4 pilots and the stories they tell are interesting to say the least. The books the retired Phantom drivers write are mind-blowing. These are my 3 favorite aviation books: - Topgun by Dan Pederson - Scream of Eagles by Robert Wilcox - Great Fighter Jets of the Galaxy 1 by Tim Gibson
You've got good taste in mil aviation types. The days like this of F4s and Buccs irreplaceable. Ok times move on but F35s, I bloody hate the things. The flying pig 🤭👎
i was a young aircraft mechanic when i served on the Ark was lucky to serve on the last commission before she went to the scrap yard , my 2.5 years on there was the best ever i am now coming up to retirement myself
A very interesting video.I'd like to have all of this documentary on DVD. Landing on the old Ark Royal or Eagle was much harder than landing our big American carriers of the day. Britain made a terrible mistake getting rid of it's conventional carriers. Had the old Ark Royal been around in 1982, with it's Phantoms and Buccaneers, the Falklands War may very well never have happened. Argentina wouldn't have risked tangling asses with that kind of sea power. Deterrence through Power.
Nunca había visto imágenes de operaciones aéreas en los portaaviones convencionales de la Royal Navy, es un vídeo magnífico. Impresiona la imagen de profesionalidad en los oficiales del control de vuelo.
I have seen this video dozens of times, and each time I smile when the RAF pilot finally catches the wire. It certainly takes a lot of skill to land on a small flattop (compared to our US Navy carriers). Glad to see the RN back in the carrier game with their two new flattops.
This is obviously an extract from the BBC fly on the wall series called Sailor from the mid 70’s. This documentary series was the first of its type and to this day probably remains the best ever produced. I remember watching this series with great fascination and to think within two to three years of this series being made the Ark Royal was being cut up to make way for the Invincible class of anti-submarine carriers. Then in 1983 came the Falklands War and the one item the Royal Navy would dearly liked to have had was a fleet carrier. However HMS Hermes and HMS Invincible did their job well along with the Harriers. HMS Ark Royal being such a sin ominous name for Royal Navy carries, you do wonder why one of the QE class carries hasn’t been named HMS Ark Royal, personally I think it would have been preferable to HMS Prince of Wales!
My Uncle George same year served on the Ark Royal when Bucaneers and Phantoms where flying from this legendary Carrier back in 1976 R I P Uncle George 1950 to 1991 ,If he had lived he would be 68 today 😢😢😢😢
Stiff upper lip, you brits! You've got two new carriers on the way in the near future. Britannia shall set forth into the sea once more! -From the US, we miss you lot being as tough and pompous as you were in the old days.
There is one problem with our new carriers. They're kinda shit. Our government made the decision to remove CATOBAR in favour of a ski ramp. This forces us to use the F35b variant which has become a red herring. I think Arc Royal was our last proper carrier.
You do t k is jack, our new carriers are very capable and the f35b is a great aircraft, the pilots love them... But our carriers can carry a huge number of the commando helicopter force and a couple squadrons of jets, it's a pretty formidable piece of kit. I can't wait to prove haters like you wrong...
The Phantom F-4 was one of the first plastic scale model kits that I built, in & around 1980. I still have that completed kit along with a few other jet fighters that I also put together in that same time (MiG-25, F-14 & F-104).
Brings back great memories of the time spent on 809 Buccaneer Squadron as a Grubber…..Certainly kept fit on the flight deck pushing the ladders with lashings,gust locks and other associated tie down equipment….But,what an experience….
I've got some quality deck photos from when my dad served on her. Each photo is stamped by the photography section. These should probably be in a museum, no?
I was expecting the RAF to take out the Port Stanley Rwy by using a tornado. The Black buck mission was one of the most amazing stories i've ever read in the history of air war thou... Thank you for answering. Cheers from a South american allied.
What a gem to watch!!! If only for the classic aircraft- Phantoms and Buccaneers. Also though a glimpse into professional flying ops Brit style from a smaller carrier. I don't have a feeling the recently constructed large carriers will serve the Royal navy half as well as Ark Royal did. Hope on this I am wrong.
Agreed. The fact our new carriers don't have CATOBAR puts them at a distinct disadvantage. For starters the F35b programme has turned into a red herring and is no longer a good investment. Its now a money-maker for Lockheed and the UK are stuck as tier 2 partners. Secondly we're unable to launch hawk eyes so will lack decent early warning coverage. We should have had the CATOBAR and supplemented it with cheaper aircraft such as the F18 or the Eurofighter carrier variant.
Good video. 👏 The HMS Ark Royal (R09) was the LAST traditional catapult/arrestor Royal Navy carrier. She was also the ONLY Royal Navy carrier to operate the American Phantom FG.1. The Royal Navy No. 892 Naval Air Squadron was the ONLY Fleet Air Arm squadron to fly the Phantom FG.1, which was the LAST traditional catapult/arrestor carrier jet fighter in Royal Navy service, hence the “Omega” (last letter of the Greek alphabet) squadron symbol on the Phantoms’ tails. 🇬🇧
It was getting a taste of this RN as a kid in the late eighties that brought me back to it in 2003 when I decided to join it, which I did in 2004 at the age of 25 as a direct entry officer to Dartmouth. Still in 14 years later and still have the same nostalgic feelings towards the mob of yesteryear. By the way, Sailor was absolutely REQUIRED viewing on HMS ARK ROYAL (V) in which I served from 2007-2009. Happy, happy days!
Falkands? Had the Eagle and Ark Royal still been operational in1982, Admiral Jorge Anaya would have advised Galtieri not to invade the islands at all.There would not have been a Falklands War.
pencilpauli I remember reading a book about the Falklands and the author spoke to an RN officer who just couldn't believe they were sailing to war with no AEW whatsoever. The officer was thinking maybe we have a secret deal with the Americans to provide some kind of early warning, anything, or spies hanging out near the argentine air bases. He just couldn't believe it.
The Falklands invasion was to divert attention away from domestic problems and assumed the British wouldn't respond at all. The Ark Royal being decommissioned was irrelevant.
@Bartonovich52- It may seem irrelevant to events in Argentina, but the state of the Royal Navy most certainly figured into the calculations of the Junta. They were well aware of the loss of capability resulting from the decommissioning of the thru-deck carriers of the Royal Navy and that weakness played into their design. Indeed, had the HMS Ark Royal (and her fixed-wing assets) been operational the outcome of the war would have been a forgone conclusion. That's particularly true as there were talks ongoing, should the AR get a reprieve, to acquire Grumman A-2C Hawkeye AWACS aircraft, which would have ensured air-dominance over the Faulkland Islands for the duration of the conflict.
I remember going to British aerospace brough which is called now when my father worked there. Sitting in buccaneers on the production line it plays at the heart strings every time you see the old ark royal carrying out flight
You must be incredibly proud. He comes across as the absolute classic British Military Officer: Calmly authoritarian, but with a sort of father-figure like kind concern for his men. The sort of figure young pilots would have had absolute unshakable faith and confidence in if the shit hit the fan.
The fact that the Brits successfully completed the mission in the Falklands without a fleet carrier, goes to show just how good a well trained and professional armed forces can be. The mission would've been less costly with a fleet carrier, but again, Argentina was up against seasoned professionals, not conscripts. Doing the difficult or impossible with so little is a mark of being just plain damn good. By the way, lets not forget Martin Withers' long haul Vulcan raid on Port Stanley, and the subsequent Blackbuck missions that followed. Again, doing so much with so little.
Two carriers had to do then. Who knows how it would have played out, anything can happen in war, I wouldn't change a thing in terms of what we sent down south in `82. We won the war but it was bloody close.
@Oliver Mayo No it wasn't-the Argentine fighters were mainly kept to defending their mainland airfields due to the threat of what the Vulcan could achieve leaving no fighter escort for the a-4s and daggers. The bombing of Stanley didn't achieve much in the way of damage, however the demoralizing effect on the troops can't be underestimated. Also a couple of the black buck missions knocked out radar sites.
@Oliver Mayo - The raids were pointless from a tactical point of view, they didn't accomplish anything that couldn't have been done equally well and far more easily by Harriers. Strategically though, you can't put a value on what they achieved - by tying up resources that could otherwise have overwhelmed our limited air defence and dropped a lot more bombs on our ships, but even more as a graphic demonstration to the Junta that significant aerial bombardment of targets on the mainland was in the UK's arsenal if escalation necessitated it. We were clearly never going to go for the nuclear option, but Black Buck showed that we were far from toothless. As for the damage to the runway at Stanley, it effectively turned a runway large enough to operate Mirages from into 2 that weren't. Given that the UK has deemed a detachment of just 4 supersonic fighters sufficient to deter the entire Argentine Air Force for the last 37 years, imagine the effect of a detachment of just 4 Mirages as the Task Force approached.
For me the mission of the raid and the intervention of his majesty's navy to prove one thing the determination to show the world its capacity despite the distance and a victory of this one imagine if the aircraft carrier would have been there it would have been worse. The Harrier proof that superiority
"Cool" is the word to describe those flight operations officers on the Ark Royal - cool in 1976 and just as cool when viewed today, 35 years later. I've heard that 1976 (Jim Callaghan PM, Drought and me in my last year at Prep School) has been scientifically assessed as the best year ever to have been British! We knew this was the swan song for the old Ark Royal and the BBC gave her a great send off. Apparently things have never been better than life at that moment. "Cool".
Chris Bolton interview about his time on this ship is well worth viewing. I absolutely loved how he described air to air refueling from the basket. Something about a rolling doughnut hahahaha gotta watch it.
A video that is in all likelihood well over thirty years old, featuring a Carrier and Aircraft that the Royal Navy long abandoned prior to the Falklands War, but beautifully nostalgic and amazing to see nonetheless. The way Britain "was" - thank you for posting this video!!
More like 40+ years old...and the scary thing is that this military force would (in many respects) show a clean pair of heels to the vast majority of the world today. At the time, this was a truly awesome military force.
back in the day the uk had over 70 battleships not counting destryers carriers and other support ships. now you guys have 6 destroyers and some frigates and two carriers on the way. that needs to increase
capt rodgers 70 battleships? As far as tonnage is concerned, the Royal Navy is the second largest in the world and I reiterate that the UK's population is only so large and modern tech if far more expensive than what we had in the 30's and 40's further increasing the price of defence.
I was a greenie on 892 NAS when this was filmed but I have never seen it till today! I think we were in the Western approaches if I remember correctly. So sad as I read down through the comments many of the people I knew have passed now, but then I guess it was an age ago! Just replaying it to see if I can see any of my oppo's (or me) loafing around on the deck. It's a great piece of video, I can almost smell the AVCAT, feel the heat and the noise, yeah and you could feel the noise! Great Days. Also good to see we have 2 new Fleet Carriers now not before time, just a shame they don't have Cats and Traps.
I've got lots of photos of the Ark Royal that I found amongst my dad's things after he passed away, including one picture of a buccaneer being shunted off the side. All photos bear the photography section stamp on board. They are treasured.
I remember that, I was a LA/Phot on there, it was for a flight safety project after one of the Bucs rolled off the arse end because it wasn't lashed down properly.
I was looking for footage of the bucc's when I came across this...totally memorable footage and a total joy to watch. I shall show this to my friend and I know he will enjoy. He was a bucc engineer by the way and has seen some wonderfull sites.
My late Uncle served aboard R07 HMS Ark Royal, back when we had a credible Royal Navy. Glad he's not around to see the shambles they have these days :-(
Correct the Rolls-Royce Spey engines used on British Phantoms resulting in a loss of 'Coke-Bottle effect' or Area Rule aerodynamically, they were not quite as good as the GE powered US versions as a result.
Great video, thanks for uploading. Well the new QE is looking good and work has started on the new P.O.W. Such a shame we already had this capability and managed to lose it for 35 years and counting. As good as they may be, we still need a "proper" AEW aircraft and CEC. I also think we need THREE QE class carriers to ensure we have two available at all times.
+Pablo Jay Actually, the QEs don't offer the same capabilities: the lack of catapults means not only the lack of proper AEW, but also having to settle for the less capable and most expensive version of the F-35... and having no plan B in case the STOVL F-35 doesn't come good. I have no idea why would a government invest such huge amounts of money on two new ships they're crippling themselves with this decision. Building two big carriers to operate them as STOVL carriers seems to me a most illogical decision. What's the logic behind it?
pancholom Agreed pal, the only way I can go with this is "Jointery" with the RAF. The BIG thing for the RAF is "flexibility". You cant base an F-35 A or C on short field FOBs, you cannot land the CTOL versions in small areas. If you look at the different mission types the air force may be asked to do in the future, the B model makes absolute sense, the CTOL version just doesn't give us that flexibility. Will it cost more, hell yes, does it carry a smaller weapons loads, yeppers but if you look at sorties from Kosovo to Afghanistan, fighter bombers dont drop 10 bombs, they drop one or two per sortie. F-35 as the spearhead force using PGMs or missiles to remove the air defence system followed by Typhoons with a decent weapons load to do the dirty work with Paveways and Brimstone II , this is the way I see it anyways.
You are right though, the Navy had its choice and they burned a lot of their future budget on two big decks which is why we only have 6 DDGs of the Daring class, if we didn't get the carriers we would have seen 8 to 10 T-45s and maybe 2/3 smaller CVS type hulls with a larger FFG force.
Pablo Jay Yes, the F35B is the best option for the RAF, but not for the Royal Navy. A CATOBAR carrier would give way mire than a full complement of bombs and fuel: it would give AWACS planes, and options of different types of planes you may want to embark in the future. It would also even allow it to take French or US Navy planes on if such a need ever arises. Going for a STOVL carrier closes the door to all these capabilities. But if they still wanna stick to the F35B to support the RAF buddies, then at least they should do it in a more rational way: instead of building these two BIG and ultra expensive carriers, they should have built 3 or even 4 smaller carriers (something like the Italian Cavour for instance, that carries the same type of aircraft the QE will carry and costed about a third of the price of one QE), getting a more flexible force and still saving a couple of billions to buy other types of ships or more planes or whatever they may need! Seriously: either you build full flung CATOBAR carriers or smaller and cheaper STOVL carriers. But building full flung STOVL carriers makes no sense at all.
The problem is we cannot have two different versions. Operating costs increase, you require more spares and differing maintenance, training requirements diverge and that adds more cost, you also need more aircraft because you would need an extra OCU, one for B model conversion, one for CTOL qualification. Only having one type means the B model, for the military, its a no brainer really. During the Harriers time, the RAF regularly embarked on our CVS force with GR-7s and 9s after the SHAR II was killed off. That flexibility is enormous and cannot be .underestimated. We have had 45 years of VTOL operating experience, it would be silly to not leverage this. The Merlin Crowsnest AEW is going to be effective, just as the Sea King Mk 7 Baggers were. In fact much more effective than most people imagine although I admit Hawkeye and CATOBAR are attractive but its too late. Did you know that the tory government wanted to do a U turn and order the CTOL model of the F-35 B but the conversion costs and EMALS risk would have come in at about 2.5 Billion quid. Never going to happen and I can never see the new carriers getting converted at that price, not ever. The studies done in the 1990s did show that operating two large carriers was more economical than operating 3 smaller ones and 4 more so. You can get a LOT of aircraft on a CVF deck, rotary wing I think its in the order of 40 to 50 plus a shit load of booties.pancholom
The last proper carrier we had , she was huge , a beautiful ship ,was gutted when they scrapped her in 78 , they should of kept her as a floating museum for future generations to enjoy , to be able to see when we had a decent size navy .
+DahliaBleue To be correct no, by this stage the Fleet Air Arm was increasingly having RAF pilots attached to it, particularly the Phantoms, as these aircraft were scheduled in couple of years to be transferred to the RAF. The policy continued with the Sea Harrier and eventually ended up with the Navy finally combining with tye RAF with the GR9s of the Joint Harrier Force.
If the British would've had the old Ark Royal and Eagle in the Falklands, the casualty rate could've been cut to much less than what it was. Argentina wouldn't have been able to cope with those Phantoms and Buccaneers. They had a hard enough time getting smoked by Harriers. But with the high-endurance capabilities of Phantoms in the ring, those Super Etendards would've been blown out of the sky before they even had a chance to get into range to launch Exocets against the Sheffield. Argentine A-4s would've also caught hell long before they had a chance to make their runs on the Antelope and Atlantic Conveyer. Building the new HMS Queen Elizabeth is one of the best investments the Royal Navy could ever make. Then the US, France, and Britain will all three have "air-superiority" flat tops in their portfolio. That's good for NATO.
Agree completely. With Phantoms giving cover for the task force, and Buccaneers on strike missions, the Argentinians would have been have been left flapping in the wind.
The Phantoms and Buccaneers would have done little good without an E-2 Hawkeye early warning radar aircraft to see out several hundred miles from the battle group. The British fleet sustained damage from airstrikes that would have likely never reached the fleet if it had a full deck carrier able to launch the Hawkeye.
John Griffin Absolutely, even the French have one or two Hawkeyes aboard the Charles de Gaulle. The Hawkeye can go out and scan for bogies many hundreds of miles beyond the ship's radar range. Altitude advantage : )
athame57 That's a good point. An enemy will take advantage of perceived weakness at the drop of a hat. Had the Royal Navy provided a suitable replacement for R07, the very certainty of suffering a complete ass whipping would've deterred the Argentines from invading. LOL... That's probably why Cuba has never tried taking the US Virgin Islands or Puerto Rico.....they'd be completely surrounded by 100,000 ton flat tops, and hundreds of aircraft.
Sadly no. My Dad did take me to Duxford when I was about 10 though. He also took me to RAF Finningley Airshow (whats now Robin Hood airport Doncaster) in 1991 and I'll NEVER forget the Vulcan, when she took off the ground shook and all the car alarms went off! Breath taking!!!
@John Benton: The F4 was the best free world fighter in it's time. It was a capable and stable platform for conventional ordinance. Tight turns went out with jets. Energy maneuverability ruled fighters of the F4 period. Greece and Turkey still operate.
Sure the Navy is short of ships, but the Ark Royal at this time was nothing but a rust bucket, with Eagle being the much better hull, but the worst thing was that she could never carry enough Phantoms given their high maintenance need to defend herself from air attack. US aircraft carriers are 90 k ton, because that is as small as they can be to both protect themselves air and submarine attack and be able to project an useful amount of air power. Anything less ie like Ark Royal and the CdeG are too small to get the job done.
Graham Ariss I'm not British but the original decision, in 1966 I believe, to phase out carriers altogether was a big mistake. But I don't know all the details about that time, the pros and cons, so that's just my opinion.
I agree it was a mistake, but the new Carrier that would replace Ark Royal CAV 1 was so heavily compromised by budget and a 50 kton weight restriction by the treasury the head of the design team was actually glad when the project was cancelled. The Navy new this, the smallest size they calculated that gave them a viable force of Phantoms and Buccaneers (Helicopters would be on an illustrious style escort carrier) was 75 k tons. Yes we should have kept the carriers, but its only worth doing if you have 4 so you can maintain one on permanent Patrol and they are 75kton plus.
RN had 7 carriers in 1960's . Eagle & Ark Royal full "fleet carriers " Victorious bit smaller . Hermes & Centaur smaller again . Bulwark & Albion commando carriers with only helicopters
if Argentina had been foolish enough to invade those islands in spite of 1 or 2 big British carriers in service their air losses would have been higher, since the RN Phantoms and Buccaneers would have been capable of attacking the Argentine air bases themselves. Also of course they would've been target #1 for the argentine air force. Dangerous to take carriers too close to a land-based air force. US Navy had no choice in 1945, off Okinawa, Iwo Jima, the home islands & were hit hard by the Japanese.
I doubt the Argentines would have attacked if we had had the Ark Royal still in service, but if they had they would have found her a paper tiger, the hull was not in good condition with bad corrosion and her engines were also a source of constant trouble. But the biggest weakness was that the unreliable high maintenance Phantoms would have meant that no more than two could have been sustained which would not have been enough to protect the fleet from air attack.
This is great to see.... the mighty Ark Royal, landing its fleet of Phantoms and Buccaneers. This era of the Royal Navy was just coming to an end when I joined ☹️
Excellent insight into the operations of a professional carrier crew. Reflects clearly the very personal and dangerous nature of this complex operation.
@@yan24to Replaced by the F-35B now, which is much safer to operate. The harrier was a dangerous plane to fly. Also can be operated from escort carriers, and from areas with no real runway. The Japanese are going to be taking delivery of F-35B to use on their light carriers.
Britain was the first to build an aircraft carrier and is now the mother country of modern aircraft carriers. Without Britain, the aircraft carrier itself would have disappeared. I love Britain very much. I hope that the British Empire will one day become the world's strongest navy like it did in World War II. 🇬🇧❤❤❤korea
That's my dad, the Commander Air-so proud of him. Now that he has passed, I watch this often. I remember visiting the Ark as a kid. What a Royal Navy we had!
Paul Northard He appears to have been an excellent officer .. very fair and willing to give guys a chance. You should be very proud.
sledger2003 Thank you for that. It means a lot. Not bad for a boy who ran away to sea aged 15, did the yard arm at Ganges and worked his way up to Commodore! I wonder if that could happen in today's Royal Navy.
+Paul Northard Good to see I'm not the only one who remembers visiting the Ark as a kid, its my most oldest recollection in fact at around 3 & half years of age in 1973. Your Dad comes across as nice chap Paul and nice you can see him here...
+Paul Northard A pleasure to see that.
He was the kind of Gent that people would look up to and obey without question. Those calm and expert judgement calls which inspires the military men and women. We desperately need many more of his caliber in todays Armed Forces. You were lucky Paul, to have such a man as your Father.
1:52 that’s my grandfather, Keith Furniss. He recently suffered a serious stroke and has sadly lost the ability to talk, but I have lots of great memories of listening to him talk all about his time on HMS Ark Royal and HMS Invincible. He’s an incredibly inspirational man, he was in the army in the 50’s, was a fireman in the 60’s, and an aircraft handler with the navy right up until the mid 80’s.
UPDATE: I am very sad to report that Keith Furniss has passed away, thank you so much to all the lovely people here who have shared their memories of him. We are all very sad to have lost him, but as a family we have been sharing our memories of him and celebrating his life, he was a truly amazing man, and he will always be my hero. Tonight I will definitely be having a drink in his honour!
William Furniss , I knew your grandfather when he was onboard the Ark..busiest guy on the Flight Deck and a stickler for safety (lucky for us!)
William Furniss , by all means give him my best regards from an ex. 892 man..
My uncle was on the Hms Eagle
So sorry to hear that, my dad David Edmund George left us on the 22nd October 2017, he did mention your grandfathers name to me when he watched some old footage
Sounds like a true hero mate. Hope he is well.
There's just something about British aviation, it's so calm and proficient. Me and other Americans typically think of the likes of Maverick and Goose when we think of fighter pilots, but the Fleet Air Arm ain't having any of that lol. Everyone in this video is so cool-headed and professional. Absolute experts through and through, I love it.
February 1967, NAS Miramar. San Diego: The Royal Navy had assigned a dozen aircrew as instructors in our Navy's F-4 training squadron, in preparation for the RN receiving the F-4K which was the RN variant of the Phantom. My first two F-4 flights as a nugget Naval Aviator were with LT Dick Lord, RN as my back seat instructor (and our F-4's had no flight controls in back). Dick was totally cool and confident as a "helpless" passenger during those two flights.
We Yanks had much respect for those Brit visitors. And, I'm sure you realize that Maverick and Goose relate as much to reality as does most of what comes out of Hollywood.
@@hitorque2734 Mavericks character is loosely based on Randall Duke Cunningham as Duke actually did alot of those antics in real life. Buzzin the tower, the Admirals daughter on a golf course (he didn't know she was at the time) and a few of his sayings made it into the movie. Atleast it sure looks like it after all I've learned about Duke and from many who know him. Ever meet him?
The skill of those Royal Navy aviators, operating such large aircraft from a fairly small carrier, never ceases to impress.
The Phantom... Isn't she the most gorgeous machine ever built????
+Rubens Junior I love them , too. Certainly the most menacing-looking. "The Phanton Menace" - where have I heard that before? ;)
+Rubens Junior The Fat Pig Phantom was out classed in a dogfight against the MIG 21. It took FOUR Phantoms and EIGHT missiles to down TWO MIG 21s in Vietnam April 16 1972. One by sheer luck and the other was a rookie pilot. They only beat the MIG21 by outnumbering them. The Argentinian A4s would have had our few Phantoms for breakfast in 1982. Luckily we had the Harrier and the AIM9L Sidewinder.
+eric tull The Phantom is a good example of the American way of buildings machines, big, powerful and a little awkward to "maneuver". Having a Phantom in a dogfight with a Mig 21 is almost the same as a Big block Chevelle racing against a 911 Porsche in a road course.
+Rubens Junior
To be honest the answer is NO. Compare the US boxy Phantom with the curved lines of the UK's Buccaneer - but they are different aircraft for different purposes
Phantoms & Buccaneers both look good
I was really rooting for that last Buccaneer pilot. So many missed approaches does play havoc with your confidence. Glad he made it down.
Flying geek!
He would have been knackered as well
Check the reactions of the senior officers in the tower - they've been there before and know just how hard it is. Matter of fact and unanimous in their spontaneous relief that he made the last trap. The fact that he was a RAF Buccaneer pilot is enough for me. High praise deserved. Hat's off to all these aviators and handlers.
Yep and then imagine the bollocking he received off camera
"If he misses this I'm afraid we'll have to divert him to St Mawgan."
Royal Navy understatement for "if he misses this he WILL run out of fuel, crash and die horribly." 😂
It's awesome to hear the lovely calm British voice, encouragement all the way. Nothing negative, no whooping and holering just good old fashioned understatement hahaha
Could not have said it better myself Bazz. This reminds of the RAF boys during WW2 and the former glory days of England. Just look at it now !!! These Gents would barely recognize it.
What 'glory days'? Pissing away an empire by getting involved In a continental conflict? Good thing the Yanks had plenty of cash and weapons to lend you.
Good thing the Yanks leeched every aviation and military innovation from the UK and europe, they even took nazis home to get the rocket to the moon. Yanks, all cash no brains
The weapons were NOT lent......They were purchased on a system called...Lend-Lease and the payments for WW2 were only finalised about 8 years ago....Also..The "Yanks" only entered the war in 1942 after Pearl Harbour. Many Americans got rich on UK's misery.
@@Bartonovich52 and the Yanks have been asking for our help ever since. We've more than payed our Dept, it's America that owe us now
Brought back memories I was on the flight deck that day as an Aircraft Handler!
Do you know what year this was Richard?
@@saltyseadawg4768 : I think that should be late '70.
@@saltyseadawg4768 1976
Having served in the RAN I am immensly impressed by the calm, supportive attitude of the CAG and his staff. I have served (not in Naval Aviation) under some senior officers who did NOT think anyone else was allowed a learning curve!!!
Loved this footage, my old man was a CPO on two commissions in the sixties, visited the old girl a couple of times on family days. Still have a couple of commemorative first day covers carried on the Phantom F4K that made the fasted transatlantic crossing.
I was on HMCS Fraser the day Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, flew out on a Sea King To decommission the Ark Royal... flying her Royal Standard off the Sea King I will never forget it....somewhere in the North Sea.....This footage really shook me.....Thank you for posting it.
I'm 35 so these aircraft carriers were scrapped just around the time I was born. It's astonishing to see my country used to project this kind of military power and what we are now reduced to.
+stu1002 It has happened that fast :( ?
+stu1002 gotta feed those welfare mouths somehow.
There was a time that we (British) pretty much took for granted the fact that our forces would respond expeditiously to any threats. For example, the Guatemalan threat to British Honduras and its proposed independence in 1972. Ark Royal played a crucial role in delivering a show of force to the Guatemalans, who believed Britain was too far away to intervene.
Nowadays we have David Cameron's legacy, his "step change in the way we protect this country's security interests" - which evidently amounts to him padding around after third world leaders like a bewildered dog looking for scraps, trying to bribe them with British taxpayers' money to not hurt us.
Very sad those days are no more.
I don't know for certain but when Eagle, Ark Royal, and Victorious were gone the USN had to build more carriers to make up for it.
Maybe not, just something that occurred to me.
It didn't have to be that way though.
I'm 63 and grew up near Rosyth, it was not unusual to see a couple of carriers in the Forth at the same time. In the '60s the UK had several ( 8 I believe) carriers in service.
Even though I ended up joining the USAF instead of the RAF, this still makes me proud to be a Brit.
How'd you do that? Join another countries military that is
@@admiralmallard7500 Dual citizenship. UK is my country of birth. But came to the US when I was 12. So I had a choice.
@AlconburyBlues Very intresting, thanks
@@AlconburyBluesthank you for your service sir. Be it the RAF or the USAF I thank you all the same.
i watched this as a kid , made you proud to be British. i was in the army and i still say nobody else can compare to the Britsh serviceman
The F-4 Phantom is my favorite jet. It's had an enviable combat record.
I know a few retired F-4 pilots and the stories they tell are interesting to say the least. The books the retired Phantom drivers write are mind-blowing.
These are my 3 favorite aviation books:
- Topgun by Dan Pederson
- Scream of Eagles by Robert Wilcox
- Great Fighter Jets of the Galaxy 1 by Tim Gibson
You've got good taste in mil aviation types. The days like this of F4s and Buccs irreplaceable. Ok times move on but F35s, I bloody hate the things.
The flying pig 🤭👎
Flight ops on a carrier deck. THE most dangerous place in the world. But these guys make it look so safe and easy! Well done lads!
Landing a Phantom on an aircraft-carrier, is like landing an aircraft-carrier on an aircraft-carrier...! Great vid :-)
i was a young aircraft mechanic when i served on the Ark was lucky to serve on the last commission before she went to the scrap yard , my 2.5 years on there was the best ever i am now coming up to retirement myself
Nice footage, gratifying to see the last fellow finally caught a wire. Those F4s were beautiful brutes.
Worked on the 'roof' through the 60's - First night up there - terrifying, but once you got used to it nothing like it in the world.
Still the best footage of any naval vessel. It doesn't matter how much Top Gun 1 or 2. This still rules.
A very interesting video.I'd like to have all of this documentary on DVD. Landing on the old Ark Royal or Eagle was much harder than landing our big American carriers of the day. Britain made a terrible mistake getting rid of it's conventional carriers. Had the old Ark Royal been around in 1982, with it's Phantoms and Buccaneers, the Falklands War may very well never have happened. Argentina wouldn't have risked tangling asses with that kind of sea power. Deterrence through Power.
I've said this all along.
Nunca había visto imágenes de operaciones aéreas en los portaaviones convencionales de la Royal Navy, es un vídeo magnífico. Impresiona la imagen de profesionalidad en los oficiales del control de vuelo.
I have seen this video dozens of times, and each time I smile when the RAF pilot finally catches the wire. It certainly takes a lot of skill to land on a small flattop (compared to our US Navy carriers). Glad to see the RN back in the carrier game with their two new flattops.
This is obviously an extract from the BBC fly on the wall series called Sailor from the mid 70’s. This documentary series was the first of its type and to this day probably remains the best ever produced. I remember watching this series with great fascination and to think within two to three years of this series being made the Ark Royal was being cut up to make way for the Invincible class of anti-submarine carriers. Then in 1983 came the Falklands War and the one item the Royal Navy would dearly liked to have had was a fleet carrier. However HMS Hermes and HMS Invincible did their job well along with the Harriers. HMS Ark Royal being such a sin ominous name for Royal Navy carries, you do wonder why one of the QE class carries hasn’t been named HMS Ark Royal, personally I think it would have been preferable to HMS Prince of Wales!
My Uncle George same year served on the Ark Royal when Bucaneers and Phantoms where flying from this legendary Carrier back in 1976 R I P Uncle George 1950 to 1991 ,If he had lived he would be 68 today 😢😢😢😢
I agree.
Would love to find a playlist of 1950s, 60s, and 70s, aircraft carrier footage. I just love that kind of stuff. Agree?
Stiff upper lip, you brits! You've got two new carriers on the way in the near future.
Britannia shall set forth into the sea once more!
-From the US, we miss you lot being as tough and pompous as you were in the old days.
Echo Delta Marvellous comment, well said Sir!
Thankyou Sir.
There is one problem with our new carriers. They're kinda shit.
Our government made the decision to remove CATOBAR in favour of a ski ramp. This forces us to use the F35b variant which has become a red herring.
I think Arc Royal was our last proper carrier.
You do t k is jack, our new carriers are very capable and the f35b is a great aircraft, the pilots love them... But our carriers can carry a huge number of the commando helicopter force and a couple squadrons of jets, it's a pretty formidable piece of kit. I can't wait to prove haters like you wrong...
Nathan Morris what false information is that?
This is taken from the excellent BBC TV programme "Sailor", I think? An absolutely brilliant documentary series.
Remember watching these guys when on sheffield 1978, we were arks guard ship , they amazing aviators and deck crew.
Great to see such fine supervision from the big fellas in the control tower. They knew what it was like for the newbies.
7-16: Humility AND Humanity - THAT'S what makes great British Officers in all the services!!!!
The Phantom F-4 was one of the first plastic scale model kits that I built, in & around 1980. I still have that completed kit along with a few other jet fighters that I also put together in that same time (MiG-25, F-14 & F-104).
As a kid I remember watching these aircraft doing Plymouth Navy Days. It was the high light of my summers
Brings back great memories of the time spent on 809 Buccaneer Squadron as a Grubber…..Certainly kept fit on the flight deck pushing the ladders with lashings,gust locks and other associated tie down equipment….But,what an experience….
I've got some quality deck photos from when my dad served on her. Each photo is stamped by the photography section. These should probably be in a museum, no?
I was expecting the RAF to take out the Port Stanley Rwy by using a tornado.
The Black buck mission was one of the most amazing stories i've ever read in the history of air war thou...
Thank you for answering. Cheers from a South american allied.
What a gem to watch!!! If only for the classic aircraft- Phantoms and Buccaneers. Also though a glimpse into professional flying ops Brit style from a smaller carrier.
I don't have a feeling the recently constructed large carriers will serve the Royal navy half as well as Ark Royal did. Hope on this I am wrong.
Agreed. The fact our new carriers don't have CATOBAR puts them at a distinct disadvantage. For starters the F35b programme has turned into a red herring and is no longer a good investment. Its now a money-maker for Lockheed and the UK are stuck as tier 2 partners. Secondly we're unable to launch hawk eyes so will lack decent early warning coverage.
We should have had the CATOBAR and supplemented it with cheaper aircraft such as the F18 or the Eurofighter carrier variant.
The British are very polite with reassuring tones....could watch this over and over....never thought landing on a carrier could be so relaxing.
Good video. 👏
The HMS Ark Royal (R09) was the LAST traditional catapult/arrestor Royal Navy carrier. She was also the ONLY Royal Navy carrier to operate the American Phantom FG.1.
The Royal Navy No. 892 Naval Air Squadron was the ONLY Fleet Air Arm squadron to fly the Phantom FG.1, which was the LAST traditional catapult/arrestor carrier jet fighter in Royal Navy service, hence the “Omega” (last letter of the Greek alphabet) squadron symbol on the Phantoms’ tails. 🇬🇧
Its just "HMS Ark Royal" leave of "the". "THE Her Majestys Ship?" see what I mean?
It was getting a taste of this RN as a kid in the late eighties that brought me back to it in 2003 when I decided to join it, which I did in 2004 at the age of 25 as a direct entry officer to Dartmouth. Still in 14 years later and still have the same nostalgic feelings towards the mob of yesteryear. By the way, Sailor was absolutely REQUIRED viewing on HMS ARK ROYAL (V) in which I served from 2007-2009. Happy, happy days!
Jack Tar what's your real name, I was a phot sharing the same mess as the met men 2T1 mess. Served on it 72-75. Left the mob in 76.
So professional! Love our British allies!,
Just wonderful. I was 16 when this was screened. That is the country I thought I was part of.
Falkands? Had the Eagle and Ark Royal still been operational in1982, Admiral Jorge Anaya would have advised Galtieri not to invade the islands at all.There would not have been a Falklands War.
Agree.
HMS Eagle and HMS Ark Royal were no longer in service in 1982.
Eagle was decommissioned on 26 January 1972, and Ark Royal on 14 February 1979.
pencilpauli I remember reading a book about the Falklands and the author spoke to an RN officer who just couldn't believe they were sailing to war with no AEW whatsoever. The officer was thinking maybe we have a secret deal with the Americans to provide some kind of early warning, anything, or spies hanging out near the argentine air bases. He just couldn't believe it.
The Falklands invasion was to divert attention away from domestic problems and assumed the British wouldn't respond at all. The Ark Royal being decommissioned was irrelevant.
@Bartonovich52- It may seem irrelevant to events in Argentina, but the state of the Royal Navy most certainly figured into the calculations of the Junta. They were well aware of the loss of capability resulting from the decommissioning of the thru-deck carriers of the Royal Navy and that weakness played into their design.
Indeed, had the HMS Ark Royal (and her fixed-wing assets) been operational the outcome of the war would have been a forgone conclusion. That's particularly true as there were talks ongoing, should the AR get a reprieve, to acquire Grumman A-2C Hawkeye AWACS aircraft, which would have ensured air-dominance over the Faulkland Islands for the duration of the conflict.
I remember going to British aerospace brough which is called now when my father worked there. Sitting in buccaneers on the production line it plays at the heart strings every time you see the old ark royal carrying out flight
When we had a navy.
Fantastic times!
my mess 2wa was under the deck arrester gear bloody noisy and impossible to to sleep during night flying but loved every minute . rip Mr Furniss
Makes you so proud to be British, thank you for posting
what an amazing snapshot of our past. BRILLIANT video!
I thought the Phantom's were cool but when I saw the Buccaneers wow
Great to see the command staff rooting for the pilots in this one.
I loved to watch the ease of the skipper.
Great ops crew. Encouragement is vital.
I see, profesionalism seem to be a trade mark of RN
He was my Dad!
You must be incredibly proud. He comes across as the absolute classic British Military Officer: Calmly authoritarian, but with a sort of father-figure like kind concern for his men. The sort of figure young pilots would have had absolute unshakable faith and confidence in if the shit hit the fan.
brilliant....so good to see this, long before my time, such encouragement for the pilot...absoloutley professional
The fact that the Brits successfully completed the mission in the Falklands without a fleet carrier, goes to show just how good a well trained and professional armed forces can be. The mission would've been less costly with a fleet carrier, but again, Argentina was up against seasoned professionals, not conscripts. Doing the difficult or impossible with so little is a mark of being just plain damn good.
By the way, lets not forget Martin Withers' long haul Vulcan raid on Port Stanley, and the subsequent Blackbuck missions that followed. Again, doing so much with so little.
Two carriers had to do then.
Who knows how it would have played out, anything can happen in war, I wouldn't change a thing in terms of what we sent down south in `82. We won the war but it was bloody close.
@Oliver Mayo No it wasn't-the Argentine fighters were mainly kept to defending their mainland airfields due to the threat of what the Vulcan could achieve leaving no fighter escort for the a-4s and daggers. The bombing of Stanley didn't achieve much in the way of damage, however the demoralizing effect on the troops can't be underestimated. Also a couple of the black buck missions knocked out radar sites.
@Oliver Mayo - The raids were pointless from a tactical point of view, they didn't accomplish anything that couldn't have been done equally well and far more easily by Harriers.
Strategically though, you can't put a value on what they achieved - by tying up resources that could otherwise have overwhelmed our limited air defence and dropped a lot more bombs on our ships, but even more as a graphic demonstration to the Junta that significant aerial bombardment of targets on the mainland was in the UK's arsenal if escalation necessitated it. We were clearly never going to go for the nuclear option, but Black Buck showed that we were far from toothless.
As for the damage to the runway at Stanley, it effectively turned a runway large enough to operate Mirages from into 2 that weren't. Given that the UK has deemed a detachment of just 4 supersonic fighters sufficient to deter the entire Argentine Air Force for the last 37 years, imagine the effect of a detachment of just 4 Mirages as the Task Force approached.
For me the mission of the raid and the intervention of his majesty's navy to prove one thing the determination to show the world its capacity despite the distance and a victory of this one imagine if the aircraft carrier would have been there it would have been worse. The Harrier proof that superiority
Have just read Phoenix Squadron. This video really brings it to life. Imagine landing a Phantom or a Buccaneer in a storm in the dark.
"Cool" is the word to describe those flight operations officers on the Ark Royal - cool in 1976 and just as cool when viewed today, 35 years later.
I've heard that 1976 (Jim Callaghan PM, Drought and me in my last year at Prep School) has been scientifically assessed as the best year ever to have been British! We knew this was the swan song for the old Ark Royal and the BBC gave her a great send off. Apparently things have never been better than life at that moment. "Cool".
Chris Bolton interview about his time on this ship is well worth viewing. I absolutely loved how he described air to air refueling from the basket. Something about a rolling doughnut hahahaha gotta watch it.
Nothing like the classic Phantoms.
Just wonderful. I was really rooting for the last guy to catch it.
A video that is in all likelihood well over thirty years old, featuring a Carrier and Aircraft that the Royal Navy long abandoned prior to the Falklands War, but beautifully nostalgic and amazing to see nonetheless. The way Britain "was" - thank you for posting this video!!
It's an extract from 'Sailor' filmed for the BBC. Mid-1970s
More like 40+ years old...and the scary thing is that this military force would (in many respects) show a clean pair of heels to the vast majority of the world today. At the time, this was a truly awesome military force.
Landing those big F-4's on the old Ark must have been an experience for pilot & crew alike!
this is when the roayl navy was actually a navy
+capt rodgers It's getting back up to that level again.
BlueonGoldZ- i hope so.as an an american.... i wanna see my english brothers STRONG again
capt rodgers We were always strong you just have to remember that the UK is barely the size of of CA.
back in the day the uk had over 70 battleships not counting destryers carriers and other support ships. now you guys have 6 destroyers and some frigates and two carriers on the way. that needs to increase
capt rodgers 70 battleships? As far as tonnage is concerned, the Royal Navy is the second largest in the world and I reiterate that the UK's population is only so large and modern tech if far more expensive than what we had in the 30's and 40's further increasing the price of defence.
I was a greenie on 892 NAS when this was filmed but I have never seen it till today! I think we were in the Western approaches if I remember correctly. So sad as I read down through the comments many of the people I knew have passed now, but then I guess it was an age ago! Just replaying it to see if I can see any of my oppo's (or me) loafing around on the deck. It's a great piece of video, I can almost smell the AVCAT, feel the heat and the noise, yeah and you could feel the noise! Great Days. Also good to see we have 2 new Fleet Carriers now not before time, just a shame they don't have Cats and Traps.
Times change.....
Miss seeing a carrier and planes like these in the RN
I've got lots of photos of the Ark Royal that I found amongst my dad's things after he passed away, including one picture of a buccaneer being shunted off the side. All photos bear the photography section stamp on board. They are treasured.
I remember that, I was a LA/Phot on there, it was for a flight safety project after one of the Bucs rolled off the arse end because it wasn't lashed down properly.
@@mikebowden4244 I will get these photos scanned in so I can share them in the Carrier facebook group.
@@mikebowden4244 I was on the Ark when that happened but was on 892 and not 809 squadron. What a hullabaloo that caused.
Once upon a time we had a navy.....
i know abdul i know
I was looking for footage of the bucc's when I came across this...totally memorable footage and a total joy to watch. I shall show this to my friend and I know he will enjoy. He was a bucc engineer by the way and has seen some wonderfull sites.
so sad seeing a proper Royal Navy carrier
That's Sailor Series - my Dad also served on that particular HMS Ark Royal.
I never knew that the british navy had phantoms, thats awesome
It has been awhile. I get a kick out of people finding out Canada had a carrier with jets once upon a time.
As for the air force pilot in the Buc, for his first time ever flying to boat, he did a great job considering.
My late Uncle served aboard R07 HMS Ark Royal, back when we had a credible Royal Navy. Glad he's not around to see the shambles they have these days :-(
Why is the yellow crane hanging out on the beginning of the flight deck, is the captain trying to catch an aircraft ?
Michael J. Doust Commander RN (Rtd) (seen here in Flyco) sadly "Crossed the Bar" 24th August 2016 peacefully at his home in Virginia, USA.
RIP - and thanks........
I remember my parents were friends with the Dousts, as my father was a FAA pilot. Don and Drucie Mills. We had them over several times.
Wonderful to see and hear such great team work, well done gentleman.
Noticed that the tail of the British Phantoms had a sort of squared-off top; some kind of counter measures device?
I think it's a Radar Warning Receiver or RWR for short.
if im not mistaken the raf/rn phantoms had rr engines and they were fatter than the us ones so the fuse had to be widened
Correct the Rolls-Royce Spey engines used on British Phantoms resulting in a loss of 'Coke-Bottle effect' or Area Rule aerodynamically, they were not quite as good as the GE powered US versions as a result.
Balls of steel. Excellent encouragement from folk who are brilliant at there job 👍
Great video, thanks for uploading. Well the new QE is looking good and work has started on the new P.O.W. Such a shame we already had this capability and managed to lose it for 35 years and counting. As good as they may be, we still need a "proper" AEW aircraft and CEC. I also think we need THREE QE class carriers to ensure we have two available at all times.
+Pablo Jay Actually, the QEs don't offer the same capabilities: the lack of catapults means not only the lack of proper AEW, but also having to settle for the less capable and most expensive version of the F-35... and having no plan B in case the STOVL F-35 doesn't come good.
I have no idea why would a government invest such huge amounts of money on two new ships they're crippling themselves with this decision.
Building two big carriers to operate them as STOVL carriers seems to me a most illogical decision. What's the logic behind it?
pancholom
Agreed pal, the only way I can go with this is "Jointery" with the RAF. The BIG thing for the RAF is "flexibility". You cant base an F-35 A or C on short field FOBs, you cannot land the CTOL versions in small areas.
If you look at the different mission types the air force may be asked to do in the future, the B model makes absolute sense, the CTOL version just doesn't give us that flexibility.
Will it cost more, hell yes, does it carry a smaller weapons loads, yeppers but if you look at sorties from Kosovo to Afghanistan, fighter bombers dont drop 10 bombs, they drop one or two per sortie.
F-35 as the spearhead force using PGMs or missiles to remove the air defence system followed by Typhoons with a decent weapons load to do the dirty work with Paveways and Brimstone II , this is the way I see it anyways.
You are right though, the Navy had its choice and they burned a lot of their future budget on two big decks which is why we only have 6 DDGs of the Daring class, if we didn't get the carriers we would have seen 8 to 10 T-45s and maybe 2/3 smaller CVS type hulls with a larger FFG force.
Pablo Jay Yes, the F35B is the best option for the RAF, but not for the Royal Navy.
A CATOBAR carrier would give way mire than a full complement of bombs and fuel: it would give AWACS planes, and options of different types of planes you may want to embark in the future. It would also even allow it to take French or US Navy planes on if such a need ever arises. Going for a STOVL carrier closes the door to all these capabilities.
But if they still wanna stick to the F35B to support the RAF buddies, then at least they should do it in a more rational way: instead of building these two BIG and ultra expensive carriers, they should have built 3 or even 4 smaller carriers (something like the Italian Cavour for instance, that carries the same type of aircraft the QE will carry and costed about a third of the price of one QE), getting a more flexible force and still saving a couple of billions to buy other types of ships or more planes or whatever they may need!
Seriously: either you build full flung CATOBAR carriers or smaller and cheaper STOVL carriers. But building full flung STOVL carriers makes no sense at all.
The problem is we cannot have two different versions. Operating costs increase, you require more spares and differing maintenance, training requirements diverge and that adds more cost, you also need more aircraft because you would need an extra OCU, one for B model conversion, one for CTOL qualification.
Only having one type means the B model, for the military, its a no brainer really.
During the Harriers time, the RAF regularly embarked on our CVS force with GR-7s and 9s after the SHAR II was killed off.
That flexibility is enormous and cannot be .underestimated. We have had 45 years of VTOL operating experience, it would be silly to not leverage this.
The Merlin Crowsnest AEW is going to be effective, just as the Sea King Mk 7 Baggers were.
In fact much more effective than most people imagine although I admit Hawkeye and CATOBAR are attractive but its too late.
Did you know that the tory government wanted to do a U turn and order the CTOL model of the F-35 B but the conversion costs and EMALS risk would have come in at about 2.5 Billion quid.
Never going to happen and I can never see the new carriers getting converted at that price, not ever.
The studies done in the 1990s did show that operating two large carriers was more economical than operating 3 smaller ones and 4 more so.
You can get a LOT of aircraft on a CVF deck, rotary wing I think its in the order of 40 to 50 plus a shit load of booties.pancholom
The last proper carrier we had , she was huge , a beautiful ship ,was gutted when they scrapped her in 78 , they should of kept her as a floating museum for future generations to enjoy , to be able to see when we had a decent size navy .
are all pilots obligatory to learn to touch down on the carrier?or only the one who assigned at the carrier?
Only those who are assigned to carrier ; in majority they are naval officers, therefore are serving in the Navy.
Only those who have to serve on carriers ; anyway those pilots are officer in the Navy.
+DahliaBleue To be correct no, by this stage the Fleet Air Arm was increasingly having RAF pilots attached to it, particularly the Phantoms, as these aircraft were scheduled in couple of years to be transferred to the RAF. The policy continued with the Sea Harrier and eventually ended up with the Navy finally combining with tye RAF with the GR9s of the Joint Harrier Force.
Good to have you back, yes, i know this film& the Canadians do `Buy American`the F-104, F-5, and the F-18. All adapted to Canadian specifications. :^)
If the British would've had the old Ark Royal and Eagle in the Falklands, the casualty rate could've been cut to much less than what it was. Argentina wouldn't have been able to cope with those Phantoms and Buccaneers. They had a hard enough time getting smoked by Harriers. But with the high-endurance capabilities of Phantoms in the ring, those Super Etendards would've been blown out of the sky before they even had a chance to get into range to launch Exocets against the Sheffield. Argentine A-4s would've also caught hell long before they had a chance to make their runs on the Antelope and Atlantic Conveyer.
Building the new HMS Queen Elizabeth is one of the best investments the Royal Navy could ever make. Then the US, France, and Britain will all three have "air-superiority" flat tops in their portfolio. That's good for NATO.
Agree completely. With Phantoms giving cover for the task force, and Buccaneers on strike missions, the Argentinians would have been have been left flapping in the wind.
The Phantoms and Buccaneers would have done little good without an E-2 Hawkeye early warning radar aircraft to see out several hundred miles from the battle group. The British fleet sustained damage from airstrikes that would have likely never reached the fleet if it had a full deck carrier able to launch the Hawkeye.
John Griffin Absolutely, even the French have one or two Hawkeyes aboard the Charles de Gaulle. The Hawkeye can go out and scan for bogies many hundreds of miles beyond the ship's radar range. Altitude advantage : )
I've always felt Ark Royal (or a like for like replacement) would have meant no invasion, the Falklands war happened because of defense cuts!
athame57 That's a good point. An enemy will take advantage of perceived weakness at the drop of a hat. Had the Royal Navy provided a suitable replacement for R07, the very certainty of suffering a complete ass whipping would've deterred the Argentines from invading. LOL... That's probably why Cuba has never tried taking the US Virgin Islands or Puerto Rico.....they'd be completely surrounded by 100,000 ton flat tops, and hundreds of aircraft.
Sadly no. My Dad did take me to Duxford when I was about 10 though. He also took me to RAF Finningley Airshow (whats now Robin Hood airport Doncaster) in 1991 and I'll NEVER forget the Vulcan, when she took off the ground shook and all the car alarms went off!
Breath taking!!!
@John Benton: The F4 was the best free world fighter in it's time. It was a capable and stable platform for conventional ordinance. Tight turns went out with jets. Energy maneuverability ruled fighters of the F4 period. Greece and Turkey still operate.
Agreed! Watch some Discovery Channel vids on Vietnam exchanges between F4 and Mig- scissor sisters but F4 engine made the day
GREAT VIDEO
THANKS ROYAL NAVY AVIATION.
When Britain had a well equipped navy. Now down to ageing Type 23s and not working properly Type 45s. The Tories have foolishly savaged the fleet
With labour there wouldn't be a fleet
+ScorpontGamerZ Official. Sadly only too true. Still the Navy does need 25, not 19 major surface escorts and at least 8, not seven attack subs.
Sure the Navy is short of ships, but the Ark Royal at this time was nothing but a rust bucket, with Eagle being the much better hull, but the worst thing was that she could never carry enough Phantoms given their high maintenance need to defend herself from air attack. US aircraft carriers are 90 k ton, because that is as small as they can be to both protect themselves air and submarine attack and be able to project an useful amount of air power. Anything less ie like Ark Royal and the CdeG are too small to get the job done.
Graham Ariss I'm not British but the original decision, in 1966 I believe, to phase out carriers altogether was a big mistake. But I don't know all the details about that time, the pros and cons, so that's just my opinion.
I agree it was a mistake, but the new Carrier that would replace Ark Royal CAV 1 was so heavily compromised by budget and a 50 kton weight restriction by the treasury the head of the design team was actually glad when the project was cancelled.
The Navy new this, the smallest size they calculated that gave them a viable force of Phantoms and Buccaneers (Helicopters would be on an illustrious style escort carrier) was 75 k tons.
Yes we should have kept the carriers, but its only worth doing if you have 4 so you can maintain one on permanent Patrol and they are 75kton plus.
I loved coming up from TG room at end of watch to the goofing deck for fresh air and to see the aircraft landing
Wow....I never knew the UK once had a navy?
P Jay yeah...it was fucking impressive too...
RN had 7 carriers in 1960's . Eagle & Ark Royal full "fleet carriers " Victorious bit smaller . Hermes & Centaur smaller again . Bulwark & Albion commando carriers with only helicopters
This somehow seems much more professional and competent than what we have now.
Confederate Nationalist it’s just too expensive for the UK to operate catapults currently. We would have ended up with just one carrier at best.
and here I am, fumbling over crosswind landings in a Cessna 152....
Excellent stuff, could watch carrier approaches all day long
Imagine if the RN still had these aircraft, when the Falklands war started!
if Argentina had been foolish enough to invade those islands in spite of 1 or 2 big British carriers in service their air losses would have been higher, since the RN Phantoms and Buccaneers would have been capable of attacking the Argentine air bases themselves.
Also of course they would've been target #1 for the argentine air force.
Dangerous to take carriers too close to a land-based air force.
US Navy had no choice in 1945, off Okinawa, Iwo Jima, the home islands & were hit hard by the Japanese.
The value of the Islands is irrelevant - the Islanders themselves wish to stay British
+M Gomez err... no they didn't
British people have been living on those islands for generations
I doubt the Argentines would have attacked if we had had the Ark Royal still in service, but if they had they would have found her a paper tiger, the hull was not in good condition with bad corrosion and her engines were also a source of constant trouble. But the biggest weakness was that the unreliable high maintenance Phantoms would have meant that no more than two could have been sustained which would not have been enough to protect the fleet from air attack.
This is great to see.... the mighty Ark Royal, landing its fleet of Phantoms and Buccaneers. This era of the Royal Navy was just coming to an end when I joined ☹️
all theses guys are retired now this vid is over 20 years old
This video is now 40 years old!
So?
indeed...
It was 20 years old in 1995......try 40 years old...!
There's one I know of still in uniform
Excellent insight into the operations of a professional carrier crew. Reflects clearly the very personal and dangerous nature of this complex operation.
If the British had been able to employ Phantoms in the Falkland, it would have been a much different conflict.
Is that Larry Sharma they mention right at the beginning ? What a good shipmate he was.
If you abandon the carrier, better get some Harrier
They scrapped the Harriers
@@yan24to Replaced by the F-35B now, which is much safer to operate. The harrier was a dangerous plane to fly.
Also can be operated from escort carriers, and from areas with no real runway.
The Japanese are going to be taking delivery of F-35B to use on their light carriers.
Lovely...I met Dave Moore a couple of time, who flew F-4s off the Ark Royal. Great chap
who was unfortunately killed in a Spitfire crash at Woodford.
Dad would have been probably P.O. Tony Chambers at that time - possibly he might have made Chief P.O. already...
Britain was the first to build an aircraft carrier and is now the mother country of modern aircraft carriers. Without Britain, the aircraft carrier itself would have disappeared. I love Britain very much. I hope that the British Empire will one day become the world's strongest navy like it did in World War II. 🇬🇧❤❤❤korea