Malay has infinite fish traps that feed infinite two handed swordsmen. Then their docks with extra line of sight shoot arrows to protect the fishes. Its synergistic ecosystem is worth mentioning.
They do a good enough job gathering resources, and you should be using their talents to build palisades and castle repairs by that stage of the game anyways.
I personally like goths, being able to outproduce your enemy and just keep pushing your barracks line forward. Also I think civs that really on their scout line in a trash war is at a disadvantage given the amount of Halberdiers on the field
May I suggest a video about Regicide? You could talk about which maps give you a tower instead of a castle, how raiding gets more effective, which units the king can outspeed, what are the best methods to protect it, or the funniest (Khmer houses ftw). As most of your videos already taught me there is much I don't know about the game yet even if I've played it for over a decade now and Regicide is definitely something I would love to uncover more.
As a kid back in age of conquerors, I discovered the regicide game mode and wouldn't play a standard game for like a decade lol. Would highly recommend it
@@HeyImLucious Seriously I've made countless lan parties with my friends these last 12 years, all about regicide! Bonds were strengthned and friendhips were broken but it was so much fun and we won't stop now. Such a shame Definitive Ed. won't give you Elo for Regicide matches.
I wish they added regicide to the matchmaker. It's my favorite game mode. Let's you get your unique unit out faster, allows you to get the game started faster with more villagers, lets you delay houses for a little longer too. And it also helps the game go faster because you're only trying to kill a king, not every villager. If the opponent is hiding you can use Treason to find them
That would have have to be the Saracens for Knights, I think? As I can't really see anyone who gets Cavalier getting a trash upgrade for it. Since going 'More Cavaliers' is often a better choice than going to Paladins in the first place. Saracens do get full Blacksmith Upgrades for Cavalry. They'd be kinda terrifying with Trash Knights. Alternatively, you could make that Trash Upgrade for one of the Messoamerican civs. 'Trash Xolotl Warrior from Barracks, uses Infantry Blacksmith (But not unique upgrades, Mayans) Upgrades'.
Ikiry0 - the break-even is 32 Cavs = Pal Upgrade. That is, if you're going to make 33 or more Cavs after the upgrade / when Pal becomes available, get Pal first/ASAP/instead.
Which ones are your favorite may I ask? Because 4 out of 5 in SotL's list (Byzantines, Spanish, Magyars and Persians) are my favorite as well. (I love using Paladins, that's why they're my thing) :D
@@JewelManDLN069 TH-cam is weird with notification pop-up so better late than never reply but Spanish, Lithuanians, Byzantines and Magyars are all my faves, persians are great but tbh I don't like their unique unit compared to others
I would say it's iffy for the same reason as byzantines. When you're at the pop cap, being able to spam halberdiers isn't going to achieve much. Plus they're missing the last armour techs on hussars and halbs. But still, I would think they'd be higher on the list than Byzantines - missing bloodlines & blast furnace is bad.
tbh goths are pretty powerful once at endgame, so spaming trash is not often seen since they either die before imp, or the flood destroys the enemy before the gold runs out since their units are so cheap.
The biggest thing about goths is that they can just plop down a single forward barracks after gaining some ground and that one barracks alone will be a force multiplier when pushing forward.
Goths dont do Trashfights... Once they reach critical mass they no longer play age. They play tower defense as the aggressor 😂 Probably thier weakness here is that they no longer micro, they just set the gathering point's of thier Barack's and spam huskarls and helbs in a good mix and just march them down...
Interesting. I would have swapped numbers 1 and 2. The fact that crossbow is countered by elite skirm is my reasoning here: in a trash war elite skirms are something you are certain to run into, meaning that crossbows are going to be hard countered. Two handed swordsmen on the other hand are a counter-trash unit without that obvious weakness. Add unlimited food allowing a flood of them to go on more or less indefinitely (along with light cav line, who make up for lack of upgrades with sheer expendability) and you're onto a winner.
I don't even play multiplayer, so in reality a lot of this information isn't much use to me personally. But I love your content. It's always hugely entertaining and interesting!
I would bump Malay up to number one, simply because the 2h swordsman is not countered directly by any of the generic trash units, while Persian trashbows are very hard countered by skirms, especially considering the lack of arbalest and bracer.
Me, in literally every game, pumping out as many Skirms, Spears and Scouts as possible: I'M THE TRASH MAN! * Eats trash, throws garbage can around, trains more skirms etc *
The new intro is nice cause it's not a little too long like the old was but you should really incorporate the old intro music somewhere. It was iconic not only to the channel, but to the game because nearly every active Age of Empires 2 player has seen your videos.
I'd consider Aztecs too, since their 2 unic techs help Skirmishers (+1attack +1 range) and Pikeman (+4 attack, it doubles the base 4 attack, making it 33% above base Helbs, that they lack)... they lack Ring archer armor, but their skirms excel against archers, since the main problem with skirms is the low attack (2 for regular skirms, 3 for aztecs; 3vs4 for elite).
As much as I'd like to admit I play 2 of those civs a lot just because of the trash unit options. I didn't know that Persians has gold-free archer tech, that's so awesome. Thanks for doing what you do SotL.
"And in the super late game when all players have reached about 200 units..." I dont think i have ever had a game where i reached more than 100 units, what am i doing wrong
Thanks for this video @SpiritOfTheLaw!! Much awaited top 5. Nice perspective, definitely got some unique ideas for civs I hadnt thought about as good in trash. Really nice. Thanks!
3:25 you certainly mean unique tech Corvinian Army 😂 P.S. I am a huge fan and I love all your videos! and I have always wanted this: do you like Montesquieu?
Kinda dope for the Persians. They have max paladins and highly effective elephants as well. Covering fire from crossbows can make em one of the best civs.
I finished a multi-player scénario defending my king with 60 Persians crossbows and 2 elite elephants against hordes of hussards, camels ND halbs. And they won me the game with the help of a little hill. So I'm with you on this. 100%
Lol bet this is jks. Turks have only one of the three basic unit, making them one of the worse trash unit civilisation, which is what this top list is for.
@@4xelchess905 Well, upgrades are one point, but that just sets them equal to every other normal civ. In fights they will still lose to every civ mentioned.
Spirit, considering the Bulgarians unique tech in imp. Bagains, which gives +3armor on their halbs, having +33% faster attack on their hussar, I would place them before Byzantines, despite possible nerfs in the future.
The thing about Magyars in trash fights is: it takes a while to get the castels up, but when they are up the Magyar Huszar make sure they never go down again. The Siege Unit of the Trashfight is 9/10 times the Ram and they melt to Magyar Huszar like butter in a volcano.
yes, but persians best trash unit still cost woods. In this case woods still more expensive comodities than the foods. Because we can get 550 foods from farm and only cost 60 woods. in this points Berber still better because the Hussar only cost 64 food, and it is fully upgraded hussar. If your money only remain 1000 woods, you will have more squads if you are Berber rather than if youre Persians, because you can get the capital gain from converting woods to foods by farm. Also in my opinion malay two handed swordsman still weaker than berber's hussar, and all sea-benefits I didnt put it in mind since if we fight in land area we gonna lost that benefit.
The Vietnamese getting access to gold from lumber I think alters the dynamic of how they're a trash unit civilisation now. I suspect with the extra imperial skirmisher damage and strength against both halberdiers and archers & of course having 2 legs up (extra pierce damage & pierce armour) against enemy skirmishers means that they can still usually get gold units for a while, have a skirmisher that deals well with 2/3 enemy trash units (even the scout line can crumble if they lack armour upgrades or getting all the way to hussars). Even in the old version I would have thought that the 1 extra damage on Imperial Skirmishers would be just that extra bit more since you could flood them out so reliably... an extra 1-2 attacks to kill meant that most would get off at least 2 or more javelins per fight too. But yes I think if they turned their +1 pierce armour into melee armour that'd make them truly a powerhouse in the late game as I genuinely despise that their unique unit is so anti-archer/-ranged too with all of the rest of their bonuses.
I wonder if it'd be a good idea or a bad idea to add the ability to designate specific units and buildings to be possible for allies to convert, ignoring Heresy if it has been researched. Maybe also set it up so that all remaining units and buildings receive this flag automatically if a player resigns. That could be interesting, it'd potentially add some strategy in "donating" buildings. The most obvious use would be for producing Xolotl Warriors without having to capture a stable that's incredibly likely to get blown up due to being in enemy territory, but I'm sure significantly better uses could be thought of by someone more familiar with things than me.
Hussars : *was the best cavalery of there time for more then 100 yers, and many times deafeted enemy who has insane number adventage* Also hussars: *have been called trash units by age of empires 2 players* *Angry husars noises*
The polish re-edition of Hussars, albeit the most famous, came in towards the very end of years bracket Aoe2 uses. Before they were more like more international mercenary light cavalry. Names are shared, but not much besides that.
Now I can't really say much about the new trash crossbow from Persians--I haven't played DE--but personally I value the swordsman line a lot in trash fights, since in my experience using just a little bit of gold for a few champions can really make a difference. For civs with strong champions, like Slavs and Japanese, that really bumps them up to me in trash fights. Meanwhile, Persians are stuck with longswordsmen. I just feel like it's something worth mentioning.
Malians: Halberdiers get +1 Pierce armor per age, starting in Feudal. Also Malians: Trade the 15 HP and cost of the Hussar upgrade for +3 attack. SotL: Honorable mention for Lithuanian, for having slightly faster, if weaker, foot trash.
not agree, unless you fight in Black Forest then I will agree, if not then woods will always be more expensive than foods, you can turn woods into foods by farming, so if you use persian archers you will lost resources and possibility to get more troops, but if you turn the woods into foods, and spam it with berber's hussar, you will get more troops.
Recently top player Viper vs Hera did this trash war game, malay vs persian with both massively using trash unit. Definitely a game worth to watch for trash unit lover.
can you make a educative video on the historical background of Hussars? mainly the Magyar ones and how they are special with their shield, wings and greater power? keep the great content up!
I figured Persians should be number one soon as I heard that Definitive Edition Tech came out. It's pretty powerful and combined with the fact that they have the best elephants in the game they make for a pretty nasty combo that with the archers manage to take out the monks as well
If we look at gold-less units from certain civs that can really make an impact, I say quality of the trash unit does matter a lot. Honourable mention: 1) Burmese- additional +3 attack halbs. 2) Slavs - Druzhina halbs. 3) Incas Vils with Full blacksmith upgrades + sappers. I like no.3 most of all..and it can be really effective.
I have missed Aztecs and Burmese: First one has 12 attack pikemen, as well as 9 range 8 attack skirmishers (with vietnamese ally 9 attack), though as meso american they lack of cavalry. For Burmese, they have 13 attack halbs and raiding hussars (+6 attack vs buildings), though their skirmishers are made of paper.
I was thinking Portuguese might have good honorable mention because gold making building is probably good when map gold runs out, but technically isn't a boost to trash units.
Maybe he should do a "Top 5 Civs for Baltic" video. They'd surely make it into that as well. Honestly, they're my top pick for Baltic. Strong defensive civ for blocking off land access and then you can leverage their fire ships for early water control. Once you have control of the water and land access blocked off the match is yours if you leverage that properly. Huge advantage having fishing ships when your enemy can't. Even the beloved Japanese fishing bonus pales in comparison to the Byzantine fishing bonus of "My ships exist while yours are all charred wrecks at the bottom of the sea."
How about Aztecs ? They have bonus on skim and +4 atk on pikemens. They dont have final def uppgrade on skims + no ring and dont have halbs but overall they can beat lot of civs, specially during Castle age.
Malays are even better now since two handed swordsmen got +1 meele armor (for every civ), so they shred halbs even harder and can have a really neat matchup against hussars as well (didnt run the numbers, but since they were already decent against hussars i cant imagine getting more armor not improving this)
I'm really surprised that the Aztec weren't on the list ^^ the +15% training speed for all units, and both unique techs that make their skirmishers so strong and their pikeman better than hallbds on trash fight...great video tho, I'm loving that Persian tech ☺️
He listed it in a previous video; it's "Midnight Hotel, Indie Pop Version" by Epidemic Sound. But yeah, he should list his songs in every description cause his picks are good
How about the Goths? The build speed of the barracks makes for incredibly fast build time (5ish seconds) and the cost reduction resulting in fewer peasants required to collect resources, plus the extra 10 population limit means you can replace lost soldiers faster than your enemy and use numbers to push the enemy. The also get decent skirmishers and hussars though skirmishers aren't absolutely necessary if you just use huskarls to counter archers.
new intro...cool and all...but honestly...i really liked the old one...so maybe you can work a way out to keep the music somewhere in the video? Like when ure showing stuff or sth? idk i just found that old intro to be pretty relaxing...just imo tho
In Nac3 malay won persians (though map had fishing also) and i would say two handed swordmans ability to destroy buildings compared to other trash units is big plus. Persians is definately atleast second though.
What about Aztecs? For me they are the N°1 trash unit civ (not counting in DE, as i dont play it). +4 attack on halbs and +1 dmg +1 range for skirms makes a huge difference. Lacking scouts is not that big of a deal, as you can raid and fight off enemy skirms with your own superior skirms.
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Malay has infinite fish traps that feed infinite two handed swordsmen. Then their docks with extra line of sight shoot arrows to protect the fishes. Its synergistic ecosystem is worth mentioning.
"synergistic ecosystem" lmao
we must defend the fish
@@blobpoop457 more like incidental cybercode
just like how present-day Indonesians, who are technically malays, are ridiculously protective towards their fishing zones. Such accuracy.
From Homo sapiens to Homo Malaycus
Imagine how powerful Spanish villagers would be if you could put them in attack stances so you don't have to micro them to attack.
They do a good enough job gathering resources, and you should be using their talents to build palisades and castle repairs by that stage of the game anyways.
Enemy team contains Magyars, Malay and Persians:
"Those bastards are up to something".
yes, they are going to trade.
Magyars and Persian might actually be a solid team combo
@Aliyan S spanish trade wins the race.
But in team games gold isn't so scarce so... But yeah, they can focus their gold into making siege and do the rest with strong trash unit.
The Magyars and Persians have Paladins. One has good HCA, other has EWE. Gold is used really properly with trade.
Malay: Two handed swords are a must.
Persians: Never heard of 'em.
More like the Persians have their _hussars_ wield those two-handed swords instead methinks :P
"Mercenaries" was actually renamed to "Corvinian Army" as you can see at 4:19
Observation 100
Perhaps to not confuse people with “Cuman Mercenaries”
Sounds really badass
i just love ravens and animalistic-themed warriors so much
I personally like goths, being able to outproduce your enemy and just keep pushing your barracks line forward. Also I think civs that really on their scout line in a trash war is at a disadvantage given the amount of Halberdiers on the field
May I suggest a video about Regicide?
You could talk about which maps give you a tower instead of a castle, how raiding gets more effective, which units the king can outspeed, what are the best methods to protect it, or the funniest (Khmer houses ftw). As most of your videos already taught me there is much I don't know about the game yet even if I've played it for over a decade now and Regicide is definitely something I would love to uncover more.
regicide is a really fun game mode imo
As a kid back in age of conquerors, I discovered the regicide game mode and wouldn't play a standard game for like a decade lol. Would highly recommend it
@vzdorr b Onagers cut through trees so well lol
@@HeyImLucious Seriously I've made countless lan parties with my friends these last 12 years, all about regicide! Bonds were strengthned and friendhips were broken but it was so much fun and we won't stop now. Such a shame Definitive Ed. won't give you Elo for Regicide matches.
I wish they added regicide to the matchmaker. It's my favorite game mode. Let's you get your unique unit out faster, allows you to get the game started faster with more villagers, lets you delay houses for a little longer too. And it also helps the game go faster because you're only trying to kill a king, not every villager. If the opponent is hiding you can use Treason to find them
Malay: *Gets Trash Sword Infantry*
Persians: *Gets Trash Crossbows*
Me: "So the next one is trash Knight/Camel"
Trash camel is interesting.
That would have have to be the Saracens for Knights, I think? As I can't really see anyone who gets Cavalier getting a trash upgrade for it. Since going 'More Cavaliers' is often a better choice than going to Paladins in the first place.
Saracens do get full Blacksmith Upgrades for Cavalry. They'd be kinda terrifying with Trash Knights. Alternatively, you could make that Trash Upgrade for one of the Messoamerican civs. 'Trash Xolotl Warrior from Barracks, uses Infantry Blacksmith (But not unique upgrades, Mayans) Upgrades'.
You mean trash paladins
Turk: release trash knight
Ikiry0 - the break-even is 32 Cavs = Pal Upgrade. That is, if you're going to make 33 or more Cavs after the upgrade / when Pal becomes available, get Pal first/ASAP/instead.
Amazed how you keep making quality content after so many years, keep it up love your vids
He is like a scholar of AoE!
Top 5 trash unit Civs... Oh look 4 of my favorite civ's got into this list.
Guess I'm a trashy person :D
Which ones are your favorite may I ask? Because 4 out of 5 in SotL's list (Byzantines, Spanish, Magyars and Persians) are my favorite as well. (I love using Paladins, that's why they're my thing) :D
frugal person(?
Magyars are my favorite. Guess I’m garbage too
@@JewelManDLN069 TH-cam is weird with notification pop-up so better late than never reply but Spanish, Lithuanians, Byzantines and Magyars are all my faves, persians are great but tbh I don't like their unique unit compared to others
I heard that Quantity can be also a quality of it's own so you might be up to something.
I'd put goths significantly above average with their build speed allowing them to halb flood like no other. Just behind malay imho.
I would say it's iffy for the same reason as byzantines. When you're at the pop cap, being able to spam halberdiers isn't going to achieve much. Plus they're missing the last armour techs on hussars and halbs. But still, I would think they'd be higher on the list than Byzantines - missing bloodlines & blast furnace is bad.
tbh goths are pretty powerful once at endgame, so spaming trash is not often seen since they either die before imp, or the flood destroys the enemy before the gold runs out since their units are so cheap.
The biggest thing about goths is that they can just plop down a single forward barracks after gaining some ground and that one barracks alone will be a force multiplier when pushing forward.
Goths dont do Trashfights... Once they reach critical mass they no longer play age. They play tower defense as the aggressor 😂
Probably thier weakness here is that they no longer micro, they just set the gathering point's of thier Barack's and spam huskarls and helbs in a good mix and just march them down...
In the age of Supplies, Goths are meh.
Interesting. I would have swapped numbers 1 and 2. The fact that crossbow is countered by elite skirm is my reasoning here: in a trash war elite skirms are something you are certain to run into, meaning that crossbows are going to be hard countered.
Two handed swordsmen on the other hand are a counter-trash unit without that obvious weakness. Add unlimited food allowing a flood of them to go on more or less indefinitely (along with light cav line, who make up for lack of upgrades with sheer expendability) and you're onto a winner.
Generic crossbow man: "so, how much did they pay you for this job?"
Persian crossbow man: "they gave me some wood for the winter"
In Middle East, lol
*Plays 4 Free For All*
The other players are all Magyars, Malay, and Persians
Me playing as Huns: "Oh...Oh No...OH NOOOOOO"
I don't even play multiplayer, so in reality a lot of this information isn't much use to me personally. But I love your content. It's always hugely entertaining and interesting!
That Magyar Huszar+enhanced Cav Archer combo is so good! Seemlessly change from defense to offense on the fly
Guitar intro??? Where is it😭
*That intro has changed XD*
Wasn't expecting that intro.
No goths? Even at the honorable Mentions wft? Gothic fleet is still feared.
They should be here. Supercheap halbs, plus almost fu skirms, plus almost fu hussars. Goth is really good in trash fights.
Population limit
I would bump Malay up to number one, simply because the 2h swordsman is not countered directly by any of the generic trash units, while Persian trashbows are very hard countered by skirms, especially considering the lack of arbalest and bracer.
Me, in literally every game, pumping out as many Skirms, Spears and Scouts as possible: I'M THE TRASH MAN!
* Eats trash, throws garbage can around, trains more skirms etc *
Andrew John Hodge me in a nutshell
The new intro is nice cause it's not a little too long like the old was but you should really incorporate the old intro music somewhere. It was iconic not only to the channel, but to the game because nearly every active Age of Empires 2 player has seen your videos.
I'd consider Aztecs too, since their 2 unic techs help Skirmishers (+1attack +1 range) and Pikeman (+4 attack, it doubles the base 4 attack, making it 33% above base Helbs, that they lack)... they lack Ring archer armor, but their skirms excel against archers, since the main problem with skirms is the low attack (2 for regular skirms, 3 for aztecs; 3vs4 for elite).
As much as I'd like to admit I play 2 of those civs a lot just because of the trash unit options. I didn't know that Persians has gold-free archer tech, that's so awesome. Thanks for doing what you do SotL.
"And in the super late game when all players have reached about 200 units..."
I dont think i have ever had a game where i reached more than 100 units, what am i doing wrong
try multiplayer, its fun
Thanks for this video @SpiritOfTheLaw!! Much awaited top 5. Nice perspective, definitely got some unique ideas for civs I hadnt thought about as good in trash. Really nice. Thanks!
Dear SotL, I miss the intro song, please bring it back
Thanks
Is that Airalin you're having for profile picture? X3
Oh, the irony of Bulgarians missing thumb rings tech since the museums in Bulgaria are jam packed with them...
I didn't know trash unit meant a gold-less unit; I honestly thought it meant throwaway units that suck.
3:25 you certainly mean unique tech Corvinian Army 😂
P.S. I am a huge fan and I love all your videos! and I have always wanted this: do you like Montesquieu?
Kinda dope for the Persians. They have max paladins and highly effective elephants as well. Covering fire from crossbows can make em one of the best civs.
do a video on best beginner civ
you always deliver exactly what i need somehow
I finished a multi-player scénario defending my king with 60 Persians crossbows and 2 elite elephants against hordes of hussards, camels ND halbs. And they won me the game with the help of a little hill. So I'm with you on this. 100%
No Turks honorable mention.
My disappointment is immeasurable
Trash units aren't only late-game solution, though. It may also be a case of your opponent denying all the gold for you, way before post-imp
I was honestly expecting Turks to take number one spot. What could go wrong? 🙄🤨🧐
There trash is probably the cheapest to upgrade, if that does not deserve at least an honorable mention, I don't know what does.
Lol bet this is jks. Turks have only one of the three basic unit, making them one of the worse trash unit civilisation, which is what this top list is for.
turks with genitours though
@@Bloodark124 Hussar, Spearman, Skirmisher, I don't know how you count, but I count 3
@@4xelchess905 Well, upgrades are one point, but that just sets them equal to every other normal civ. In fights they will still lose to every civ mentioned.
Also Portuguese should get a mention because of cheaper gold units and Feitoria
Look! Is the old Intro!!!
Spirit, considering the Bulgarians unique tech in imp. Bagains, which gives +3armor on their halbs, having +33% faster attack on their hussar, I would place them before Byzantines, despite possible nerfs in the future.
the new intro feels good and bad at the same time...
Except that it isn't "new"
The thing about Magyars in trash fights is: it takes a while to get the castels up, but when they are up the Magyar Huszar make sure they never go down again. The Siege Unit of the Trashfight is 9/10 times the Ram and they melt to Magyar Huszar like butter in a volcano.
Yep, had a hard time pushing Extreme AI as the Celts. The only thing viable was heavily guarded trebs.
Please bring back the villager in the intro kicking some cobra ass please sir I want some more.
yes, but persians best trash unit still cost woods. In this case woods still more expensive comodities than the foods. Because we can get 550 foods from farm and only cost 60 woods. in this points Berber still better because the Hussar only cost 64 food, and it is fully upgraded hussar. If your money only remain 1000 woods, you will have more squads if you are Berber rather than if youre Persians, because you can get the capital gain from converting woods to foods by farm. Also in my opinion malay two handed swordsman still weaker than berber's hussar, and all sea-benefits I didnt put it in mind since if we fight in land area we gonna lost that benefit.
The Vietnamese getting access to gold from lumber I think alters the dynamic of how they're a trash unit civilisation now.
I suspect with the extra imperial skirmisher damage and strength against both halberdiers and archers & of course having 2 legs up (extra pierce damage & pierce armour) against enemy skirmishers means that they can still usually get gold units for a while, have a skirmisher that deals well with 2/3 enemy trash units (even the scout line can crumble if they lack armour upgrades or getting all the way to hussars).
Even in the old version I would have thought that the 1 extra damage on Imperial Skirmishers would be just that extra bit more since you could flood them out so reliably... an extra 1-2 attacks to kill meant that most would get off at least 2 or more javelins per fight too. But yes I think if they turned their +1 pierce armour into melee armour that'd make them truly a powerhouse in the late game as I genuinely despise that their unique unit is so anti-archer/-ranged too with all of the rest of their bonuses.
Intro: Spirit of the Eaw
A 10 minute video... my life is complete
I wonder if it'd be a good idea or a bad idea to add the ability to designate specific units and buildings to be possible for allies to convert, ignoring Heresy if it has been researched. Maybe also set it up so that all remaining units and buildings receive this flag automatically if a player resigns.
That could be interesting, it'd potentially add some strategy in "donating" buildings. The most obvious use would be for producing Xolotl Warriors without having to capture a stable that's incredibly likely to get blown up due to being in enemy territory, but I'm sure significantly better uses could be thought of by someone more familiar with things than me.
Hussars : *was the best cavalery of there time for more then 100 yers, and many times deafeted enemy who has insane number adventage*
Also hussars: *have been called trash units by age of empires 2 players*
*Angry husars noises*
@Hoàng Nguyên Ah yes, you mean the Wings of Liberty campaign? ʕ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°ʔ
I just found out the elite Magyar Hussars are the predecessor to the famed Winged Hussars of Poland.
@Hoàng Nguyên It's called the Slavs.
The polish re-edition of Hussars, albeit the most famous, came in towards the very end of years bracket Aoe2 uses. Before they were more like more international mercenary light cavalry. Names are shared, but not much besides that.
Polish hussars were heavy cav. Hussars were light cav.
Like in polish husaria and huzarzy. Two different types of units.
Now I can't really say much about the new trash crossbow from Persians--I haven't played DE--but personally I value the swordsman line a lot in trash fights, since in my experience using just a little bit of gold for a few champions can really make a difference. For civs with strong champions, like Slavs and Japanese, that really bumps them up to me in trash fights. Meanwhile, Persians are stuck with longswordsmen.
I just feel like it's something worth mentioning.
Even better: aztecz (+4 dmg on champs and on pikes (better than generic FU halbs) on top of Atlatl).
Everyone: why do i hear boss music?
Malay player getting trash Champions: _MENACING_
Its so comforting to know that its not just me that still loves this game.
Thx for the video Spirit now i have my master plan whit Magyars Malay and Persians for late game trash battles
#1: Danny DeVito
THE TRASHMAN!!!
gaming
@@jaredt5127 I JUMP INTO THE RING AND I THROW TRASH EVERYWHERE
Lemme get some TRAAASH to clog up this wound
You mean the Persians are the most like Penguin?
Malians: Halberdiers get +1 Pierce armor per age, starting in Feudal.
Also Malians: Trade the 15 HP and cost of the Hussar upgrade for +3 attack.
SotL: Honorable mention for Lithuanian, for having slightly faster, if weaker, foot trash.
not agree, unless you fight in Black Forest then I will agree, if not then woods will always be more expensive than foods, you can turn woods into foods by farming, so if you use persian archers you will lost resources and possibility to get more troops, but if you turn the woods into foods, and spam it with berber's hussar, you will get more troops.
The intro: "and now the conclusion"
The conclusion to what?
The conclusion to SotL love of Star Trek
Hei Spirit!
I think after last Patch, Lithuanians should be on this list. FU Hussars, UPFU Skirms and Halbs just with -1 MA, being also faster.
Recently top player Viper vs Hera did this trash war game, malay vs persian with both massively using trash unit. Definitely a game worth to watch for trash unit lover.
can you make a educative video on the historical background of Hussars? mainly the Magyar ones and how they are special with their shield, wings and greater power?
keep the great content up!
I figured Persians should be number one soon as I heard that Definitive Edition Tech came out. It's pretty powerful and combined with the fact that they have the best elephants in the game they make for a pretty nasty combo that with the archers manage to take out the monks as well
New intro :0
If we look at gold-less units from certain civs that can really make an impact, I say quality of the trash unit does matter a lot. Honourable mention: 1) Burmese- additional +3 attack halbs. 2) Slavs - Druzhina halbs. 3) Incas Vils with Full blacksmith upgrades + sappers. I like no.3 most of all..and it can be really effective.
I have missed Aztecs and Burmese: First one has 12 attack pikemen, as well as 9 range 8 attack skirmishers (with vietnamese ally 9 attack), though as meso american they lack of cavalry.
For Burmese, they have 13 attack halbs and raiding hussars (+6 attack vs buildings), though their skirmishers are made of paper.
"Spirit Of The Thrash!" :p
I was thinking Portuguese might have good honorable mention because gold making building is probably good when map gold runs out, but technically isn't a boost to trash units.
Also doesn't add enough gold.
massed trashbows are a lot stronger than you'd think, damn. especially as wood is very easy to get
Honestly was expecting Aztecs to take #1, not gonna lie.
The fact that the Byzantines made it into a 'Spirit of the Law top 5' video makes me happy anyways
P.s: what are your top 5 Navy civilizations?
Maybe he should do a "Top 5 Civs for Baltic" video. They'd surely make it into that as well. Honestly, they're my top pick for Baltic. Strong defensive civ for blocking off land access and then you can leverage their fire ships for early water control. Once you have control of the water and land access blocked off the match is yours if you leverage that properly. Huge advantage having fishing ships when your enemy can't.
Even the beloved Japanese fishing bonus pales in comparison to the Byzantine fishing bonus of "My ships exist while yours are all charred wrecks at the bottom of the sea."
For the love of God bring back the intro music!
How about Aztecs ?
They have bonus on skim and +4 atk on pikemens.
They dont have final def uppgrade on skims + no ring and dont have halbs but overall they can beat lot of civs, specially during Castle age.
3:25 I think you meant "unique tech" not unit
I would love to see where Pols rank in this with their awesome Hussars!
1 view, 17 upvotes. thanks, youtube!
We need a civ with boat trash. Kinda like how the American civs in 3 could swarm enemies in canoes.
Malays are even better now since two handed swordsmen got +1 meele armor (for every civ), so they shred halbs even harder and can have a really neat matchup against hussars as well (didnt run the numbers, but since they were already decent against hussars i cant imagine getting more armor not improving this)
I'm really surprised that the Aztec weren't on the list ^^ the +15% training speed for all units, and both unique techs that make their skirmishers so strong and their pikeman better than hallbds on trash fight...great video tho, I'm loving that Persian tech ☺️
I think Spirit probably overrates completeness in the tech tree compared to synergy between the things a civ does have.
@@teddyhaines6613 Especially since you don't really need Hussars (in team games especially) as Halbs+Skirms cover each others weaknesses already.
As you went up your list I was all the more sure for the No1.
I love the new Persians much more interesting than before.
Womder of the introduction of the Winged Hussar would have any impact on this list?
I agree with your top pick. Them archers outta nowhere are perky.
What's that song that you always tune in when you declare a #1 civ? It's nice...
He listed it in a previous video; it's "Midnight Hotel, Indie Pop Version" by Epidemic Sound. But yeah, he should list his songs in every description cause his picks are good
@@bluequiltedness thanks a lot. I was asking because I thought that this may be something he composed himself as he did with the intro.
Would like to see this vid redone with changes like the addition of Winged Hussars and Teuton +2 melee armor halberds
Another honorable mention could be Aztecs with Atlatl upgrade for skirmishers and the flower wars bonus for pileman
With the new Teutons armor upgrade
i love it
I'd love to see a new civ added to the game that focuses on having better trash units than everyone else
New Honorable Mention: Bohemian Trash Monks
great video, great music! really love your videos man!
How about the Goths? The build speed of the barracks makes for incredibly fast build time (5ish seconds) and the cost reduction resulting in fewer peasants required to collect resources, plus the extra 10 population limit means you can replace lost soldiers faster than your enemy and use numbers to push the enemy. The also get decent skirmishers and hussars though skirmishers aren't absolutely necessary if you just use huskarls to counter archers.
"trash fights tend to be a slow grind."
Sappers: well yes but actually *NO.*
I have always wished to see a video discussing thrash !
I was waiting for this for a long time.. thank you..
new intro...cool and all...but honestly...i really liked the old one...so maybe you can work a way out to keep the music somewhere in the video?
Like when ure showing stuff or sth? idk i just found that old intro to be pretty relaxing...just imo tho
3:24 but after their unique unit mercenaries' should be unique tech, great video as usual though ;)
Probably should have honorable mention Goth also, but great video nonethless!
Hi, im a international relations student.
i have just finished reading "spirit of the law" by Montesquieu, and i thought of you haha
In Nac3 malay won persians (though map had fishing also) and i would say two handed swordmans ability to destroy buildings compared to other trash units is big plus. Persians is definately atleast second though.
Cmon Man. We are here for the introoooo
What about Aztecs? For me they are the N°1 trash unit civ (not counting in DE, as i dont play it). +4 attack on halbs and +1 dmg +1 range for skirms makes a huge difference.
Lacking scouts is not that big of a deal, as you can raid and fight off enemy skirms with your own superior skirms.
yo thats a way better intro
I liked the old intro more...