I tested this strategy and get 12-15 t17 maps for 30 runs. I think we need more pack size and rare monsters, mb rogue exiles or unique monsters which reinforced with a scarab giving more rewards. May be good choice is using 5 Cartographer's Delirium Orb
Thanks for a great guide, I managed to earn enough for my first ever mageblood within a week with this strat (with some slight modification for my own enjoyment) :)
Using the cheap scarab setup and I must say this stat is good but more importantly it's fun. Thanks! I am getting a good amount of gold and shaper guardian maps as well
i just tested out the corruption key stone boys and if ur target farming maps dont use it because it randomly changes maps too i put in strand i end up in lair etc. if u wanna have a low investment farm strat then go for it but its not good for farming specific maps like ziggurat. btw i noticed i get a ot more gold coins doing this because of the mods rarity quant etc. so if u wanna farm cheap gold for kingsmarch den tdo this.
i actually added dominion gold strat and enhanced map effects (on atlas), and its being quite nice, even for easily rolled maps; 8mods should be insane with this even in t16s
yoo..great vid man..just a question..i have all 4 void stones so do i need to put points into the higher teir map chances nodes..bc all my droped maps already come lvl 16? or does it still help? thanks!!
well if you read the node..."3% increased effect of Explicit Modifiers on your Maps per 5% Map Quality" it has nothing to do with chisels since the maps are already 8mod rolled maps with qual on them
Thank you for the vid! I have bounced atlas idea to atlas idea and never enjoyed the playstyle. This is exactly what I was hoping for. It's not raining currency, but it's very consistent and I even dropped a near perf Svalinn which sold for almost 6div. I ran 10 maps and made about 18div (~20div in loot, minus the 2.2div in scarabs/etc).
strongboxes with rare variants is a good strategy too, can get up to 25 strongboxes in a map and some of those can be cartography ones, with a decent-ish chance for t17
Just kiddin' haha. I've been farming them since day 3-4 and funded a decent build out of it. I'm going to stop for a few days and see how the prices adjust, especially since fubgun also released a video earlier. Alch and go shaper guardian rota until then. You literally can't lose currency with it.
I really like the video, and it has a bunch of information, but there are some unknowns i'd like to clarify, and sorry if I missed answers in the video i watched it completely and went back in search of answers. 1. If not using twist, is it better to use eater? If using maven, you'd have to have a pool of different maps which could be difficult. 2. What maps are you favoriting? Is it better to favorite one map or have you had more luck with multiple favors. 3.1 I did not yet run a huge pool of maps to get a good feel, but noticed only getting maps at the bosses, not many within the map itself. Have i just been unlucky so far or is that usually the case. 3.2 I had JV as my only favorite did this reduce the map drop count?
Thank you for watchin man! Both Maven and Eater are good, Maven will require different maps but you can rotate Elderslayer maps for example. If you hate this approach run Eater but Maven should be better. You can favourite any map - just dont take Singular Focus. Maps drops are very random too so both maps AND boss can provide it. If you will need further help hit me on twitch as well - www.twitch.tv/ronarray
@@ronarray Thanks for the quick reply, i took a break from POE mid 3.24 and just came back last week. There are a lot of things to catch up on. I wanted to try this method to self sustain some maps as well as sell some T17.
If doing on 8 mod maps of the same layout without twist of fate, unfortunately destructive play wouldn’t work. Not unless you’re doing 8 mod conqueror/guardian maps. I’d LOVE to do this Strat exactly as-is on jungle valley only but maven will refuse to spawn after the first time. I’m toying with the idea of swapping to altars for quant instead. Thoughts?
You could just run 8 mod silo maps. Drops Fortress. Just leave after the first phase of boss. She spawsn the extra bosses and you can just keep runnign it as long as you dont kill the silo boss.
@@yrudonking nice one! I knew of the silo tactic but didn’t put it together with this specific strategy, that’s smart. Always hated that boss but here’s a time she can serve for good…
Why do we need to have a 8mod map with twist of fate on? It is anyhow going to be randomized. I would jsut throw in any t16 20% quality corrupted map and run it…
I do this with harvest to get an extra divine or 2 in about 3-4 maps. I know that’s not great per time invested but it’s a nice chill sale to add on a few divines. Great video, although I was doing this already I did learn/get a few new ideas from ya👍👍
Thank you for the video! Do you know if the “connected map drop %” nodes do anything while running shaper guardian maps? (Assuming I’m not using twist of fate). I know it’s a slightly different strat but I can’t find an answer anywhere!
Really doing great with this strat,fast mapping, many maps and give you many other thing with how much twist of fate give rarity and quantity on map, thanks a lot for sharing this!
Hey Ron, this strategy has been working out pretty well for me. I wanted to know if you'd recommend a strategy that involves running the T17 maps and what that Atlas tree might look like? T17 maps will not open on my map device with this tree. My goal is to run a few T17 maps here and there when I have a large surplus then sell the rest.
Nice to hear it is working for you man! th-cam.com/video/7g4RUBn2K1c/w-d-xo.html that video contains some T17 strategies and i will probably work on more of those later on. Hit me on Twitch if you will have questions too www.twitch.tv/ronarray
Thanks for this it looks really good so far but I may not have understand something about Maven influence. Are we supposed to witness all our map bosses ? Because once it has been witnessed it can't be anymore, the option is disabled. But I think I'm missing a simple key point there... Thanks for your content so easy to understand and accessible !!
With 'Twist of Fate' your map will be modified unpredictably, so it will become probably any possible map. So you don't need to worry much about rotating maps, just 2-3 types, just in case that you encounter one of you them with maven and this map will no longer be possible to attract Maven. It happens rarely.
@@ronarray i mean i have lots of 8 modded Jungle Valleys because i farmed with Corruption Scarab, i wanted to capitalize on that stock , my other maps are not so well rolled :D
why do we take the shaping nodes? don't the nodes say that it only affects maps dropping higher tier map t1-15? also doesn't it not matter if we run 8-mod maps? since it "re-vaals" the map basically and then adds the 1-3 mods? also the map craft also gets randomised so why do we take one?
Reevaaling not changing amount mods, just adding new one. We take a map craft for twist of Fate to work properly because it has a wording of AND (Also random map mode is nice for 2c). Shaper nodes rise amount of t1-t15 Maps that will be dropped at T16 instead and can be converted to T17 because of that.
@@ronarray ok so a simple test proves that it does revaal the map mods, I vaaled a map and checked the mods, when I went in the mods were all completely different. Perhaps u had just seen some of the same mods and thought they didn’t change?
@@ronarray and after another simple test of just activating with just the plain increase quant map craft, twist of fate still worked, tho I suppose the question now is whether a random map craft worth over 8% quant?
I don't know if i'm just super unlucky, but have been trying something really similar and didn't get any t17 in like 40 maps.. :( Hope I will get some soon.
Im pretty sure shaper/guardian maps scarab fucks this strategy because a map can either convert to shaper/elder or to a t17, a map cant ever convert to a shaper/elder then again convert to a t17.
It is important to understand which conversion is rolled first - so first check - IF the map converting to T17 -> if yes it just converts, but if NO it has a chance to convert to shaper / elder etc instead. But AFTER T17 check. You can check it yourself since in my experience adding this scarab had no effect on my average T17 drops over 100 maps. Cheers!
just a feedback for you, i am running the same strategy as you, just with jun i am already getting 1 x t17 map per 3 shaper map without scarabs. not sure if i am lucky. i have been running for 3 - 4 days already
@@ronarray alch and go. i tried mixing in other mech, ambush, essense,harbringer and they required scarab to run, i just dont want to bother with adding scarab into my run. i feel jun is the best profit for me if i hit veil orbs. if not for the exp. other mechanic may just cause me sudden death.
i only have 2 watchstones and not using any scarab.. doing like 15 maps and manage to drop 4 tier 17 maps lol , its actually pretty cool since i put zero budget on it.. also i always love the shrine atlas node.. its literally give you a free mob pack and some powerful buffs
hi, thx for video, now i farming your stacked deck farm, yesterday it get me arround 30 div+harvest which i use to craft, can i farm this if use your cheap endgame build? wouldnt i die every map with maps mods haha?
Why does toxic sewers have to connect to the hard t17 crash one Ugg. Melee small aoe killing me mentally in melee hehe.Also I seem to only see a t17 in about one out of 3 runs. I had some bad runs where only one reg corrupted dropped thinking maybe loiokjng for a mechanic to add to this for the pack map scarab costs as is a or 50-60c a map I am liking seer though, less rippy and a bit more forgiving to melee😀
You are not supposed to run 8-mod maps with this strategy, right? Since Twist of Fate completely randomizes the number and type of mods on corrupted maps. So if you put in a 4mod corrupted map or an 8mod corrupted map it doesn't matter, Twist of Fate is gonna Twist of Fate and randomize everything anyway. Right?
3 maps is a very low sample size, it should be closer on average around 50-100 samples at least. But be careful - if it is not working for you right now dont overforce it since prices / rates can change. Cheers!
twist of fate seems to be a bad idea if youre running 8mod maps i assumed that since its 8 mod maps, plus 1-3 mods from twist, +1 from risk scarab, you could get 12 mod maps but no, twist of fate rerolls the number of mods on the map as well, ive ended up with some of my maps being 6 mod, even worse than if i didnt use risk and twist
@@ronarray ive done a little more digging and it seems that you cant get 12 mod, when twist of fate rerolls maps it chaos orbs them, meaning the base map is incapable of rolling any more than 6 mods so the max you can get with twist of fate is 9, plus scarabs of risk regardless of what map you put in, it will have 5-9 mods, plus scarab of risk so its barely ever better than just running an 8 mod without twist of fate
@@vincentgrinn2665 interesting, i tested both and didn't feel a difference, but thought that was just me. Feels like the node is good maybe early league if u have no currency ?
what a bullshit commentary nice try but is not possible to drop that in only 1 map, u can only maybe drop 4 with the great luck of double 1 and another T17 map, but because is a fact that after first T17 drop the chance is VERY VERY LOWER to get another map, SO 5 COME ON PLEASE ^^
Thank you I needed to get away from Harb farming its just not doing it for me anymore lol.. I actually thought i was done with the league last night until i happened upon this strat going to do it
Well, in the ARPG all drops are a little RNG gated to be honest. But if price is a little too much you could go with less expensive strat ( I have a few there). Cheers!
Since I'm pretty much done with this league and have A LOT of divines sitting around I decided to test this strat. After running 100 maps, believe it or not I only got 8 T17 maps, which is awful. LS Slayer with Headhunter can pretty much run every mod when it gets those modes from monster. T16 maps were droping like CRAZY, but not T17. What I did notice is that you get a lot of gold with this strat. So bottom line is: I think after they removed Back To Basic atlas node that T17 farming is horrible, I think you just have to run maps and hope that RNG Jesus will bless you. And that's about it.
@@ronarray I did 25 maps and 3 t17 loot drops. 2 Multitudes and twist of fate. I Might have done something wrong. I will try again and report here, I'm sure it's a good strat
It was a really unlucky streak. I did 12 maps and got 8 t17 😅. You need big samples for everything in poe. Thanks for the start, it is generating thousands and thousands of gold
Guys, I have a stupid question. Can favor map slots reduce chance to get t17? In theory, they shouldn't. Most likely, the t17 check comes last and doesn't care about the map location. @ronarray thank you, btw!
Dang, i got 3 strats gone less profitable in 2 days from appearing in yt vids. Time for making sanctum mymancave for currwncy farming for the rest of the league
@@ronarray dw it's just natural market stuff, highly profitable strats work best the less ppl know about it, but when one becomes popular the market creates gaps somewhere else
After the rework, everything is balanced around you using them. You kinda have to, or you're losing so much value. Idk how one could hate doing it, it's as simple as putting them in the map device and doing what you were gonna do anyway. Just gotta buy a handful and go. No difference compared to before, except it's even easier cuz no sextants.
@@taylon5200 exactly... I have to buy something, put something, remove if I change something, yada yada. so hard to understand about it not being alch and go?
From my personal experience I disagree about Cartography Scarab of Corruption. If you have valuable maps favorited (Strand/Dunes/Jungle Valley/Toxic Sewer/Defiled Cathedral/Beach) then you can sell these maps very easily for ~11c regex, and a good 80% of 8-mod maps will be suitable for someone's regex. And even the non-regex ones sell for 7c each. you get 6-12 of these every map, it is a huge chunk of profit. Every map you are going to get ~0.3 divines worth of 8-mod maps which is quite a lot considering how fast it is to run these maps without mechanics. Not to mention the sheer convenience of supplying your own 8-mod maps. The only real downside to this is needing to bulk sell maps, so you need to be willing to make a listing on TFT every few hours while playing, so if you are not wanting to deal with TFT you shouldn't do it.
For this Strat we are focusing on getting Elder / Shaper / Sirus maps to run and T17 to sell - if you want to farm corrupted ones it will be better to use another setup. prices of 8mods are not that high and selling process is very inefficient.
just tried your strat without twist of fate and i have to say it's the worst atlas tree i have tried as of yet. No t17 map drop in 10-15 maps. 4 voidstones, corrupted 8 mod maps. I get like 2-3 normal maps per map, no t17
You physically cant drop only 2 maps from such Strat - just Multi will provide 2+, something is heavily wrong in the setup there even if we will keep tiny sample size in mind - Maybe you have Singular Focus allocated? That Atlas tree is pretty much old and used by everyone to farm maps from other Content Creators to bulk traders, there is just nothing else that you can pick for maps. Cheers!
Why would one scarab have to cover the cost of another one? That's just silly thinking. You pick the scarabs that have the most positive effect on total revenue and balance it around cost.
Lol you “the scarabs that have the most positive effect on total revenue and balance it around cost”. Yea he did and he found that using a cheap scarab to cover the cost of the expensive ones gets the benefits from the expensive one while not adding barely any cost/time in map. I don’t think it’s a necessity but it’s what he likes.
What do you mean one scarab covering for the other? There is a combination that work the best together, those scarabs cant work without the other, it is NOT like 1 is doing everything and covering for the second which is useless.
@@ronarray Check 4:20 in the video. You say that rewards from conversion scarab will pay for the cost of multitude. I said that is silly thinking - what matters is the total input and output of the strategy.
First of - there is no such thing as "Silly Thinking", any kind of opinion if it formulated correctly should be acknowledged and if it works it works. Second - Well we have a cheap scarab that works in combo with expensive one, while we are fishing for T17 Conversion can help to pay for the rest if T17 fishing fails, it is a simple math I suppose. I hope it is more clear now, cheers!
Great strategy, right? I ran 15 maps, sinking who knows how much currency into them because I couldn't be bothered to keep track. And guess what? I got a grand total of 3 T17 maps. Honestly, I think if you just went with an 'alch and go' approach, you'd get the same-if not better-results. My advice? Don't waste your resources. Statistically, you're likely to drop just as many, if not more, maps without all the extra investment.
Well, you have a VERY low sample size (15 is like 40 minutes?) and don't even state what kind of strategy you are running. Most of my stuff is tested Live and already saved on VODs so all math can be checked and there is no clickbait at all - it is simple RNG in an ARPG.
@@ronarray I think these guys also forget the amount of random influenced maps etc they're getting. On average, you 100% break even regardless and then there's at least 20 - 40c profit per map IMO. I've been constantly dying to this strategy cause of my build being hexblast mines but I like it overall because I just quality, alch + corrupt and go without having to worry about anything else.
Love for your efford, but im sorry , this strat is ass, 80 maps only 6xt17, sure you sustain the cost with the other maps that drop but your not doing any profit, neither do you get enough t17 for yourself to say this is worth.
That's sounds like an unlucky line, there are many people in the comments with much better results. Which strat you have used (there are 4 of them in the video)? Do you have 4 watchstones?
@@ronarray The Expensive Setup from the Video + the Twist Boxes Setup from the description + T16 8Mod Random Maps from TFT, (4 Voidstones) No Favor maps choosen. Duno maybe rly just unlucky but 6xt17 in 80 maps is heavy.
@@xSunny599 Try to run Hybrid setup to hedge some prices and just corrupt quality ones instead of 8mod, maybe it will help. Those results are heavy for sure.
Shaping the mountains, Shaping the skies and other nodes that grant you +tier for map drops are a waste of atlas points if you have 4 voidstones. I dk why people league by league are sill making such a mistake. Take adjasement map drops and you'll see the result
Because it is not a mistake, it is confirmed by literally all Content Creators who did tests (including me) - You are still dropping T14 and T15 maps so those nodes help you to rise more of those to T16. I also have ALL Adjustment map nodes in the strat.
@@ronarray you have 100% chance from your voidstones and you are farming T16 maps. Even if you drop T14 it might upgrade it to T15 that never can happen while farming T16. It might have worked a bit with guardian maps, that usually drop T14 instead of t15 and t16 beach (for example, but who cares about guardian Tier map drop). These +map tier nodes do nothing while farming t17 maps. You are losing 4 Nodes with this strat that grant you +8% to adjacement map drops on your left side of the tree and on the right and some scarab nodes that may be a good option as well
"when an item drops it MIGHT be a map. if it is a map it then rolls its tier e. g. 1-16. if the tier it rolls has no maps on the Atlas, it is converted into a hidden form of currency. When you get enough of that hidden currency a map drop is forced for a valid tier of map on your Atlas. a tier 1 map is worth less currency than a tier 2 map, and so on. so having + tier bonuses will make more maps drop." Apparently that's the mechanic for it ^^ take with a grain of salt but that makes sense.
@@Kurtaair I think you misunderstand how it works - 100% chance means nothing in there, here the quote from the wiki - ***"Tier 1-15 Maps found have #% chance to become 1 tier higher: This stat stacks additively with similar stats from the Atlas Passive Tree and Voidstones; if the chance exceeds 100%, the excess chance instead applies to chance to be 2 tiers higher, and so on"*** So as you can see we are still benefitting heavily from those nodes and they are crucial.
your guide isn't good at all, try farming t16 8modded jungle valley with delirium and shrines, put all favorite in to one connectet map and singular (i tried your way liek 100 maps and its huge difference with the singular :) and you can still sell them like 10c each) scarabs are 2x multitude, escalation, lineage and 8modded maps are coruppted, or 3rd multitude, i drop per 10maps about 8 t17 maps + a lot of currency, deli orbs and don't have to gamble with twisted fate ;D i'm only using 8modded with 40+ packsize and more magic/rare monsters on modifiers.
You are literally explaining half of the same strat that I talk about in the video. Twisted fate is not a gamble if you paly strong build that can carry all mods, Singular focus is giving 20% less T17 and not worth it too, you also don't need Linage if you run multitudes already.
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So after all changes in 3.25 the guide about farming T17 Maps is BACK! Hope it will help you drop tons of T17 Maps. Watch live www.twitch.tv/ronarray
I tested this strategy and get 12-15 t17 maps for 30 runs. I think we need more pack size and rare monsters, mb rogue exiles or unique monsters which reinforced with a scarab giving more rewards. May be good choice is using 5 Cartographer's Delirium Orb
Thanks for a great guide, I managed to earn enough for my first ever mageblood within a week with this strat (with some slight modification for my own enjoyment) :)
That is awesome to hear man! Glad it helped!
Using the cheap scarab setup and I must say this stat is good but more importantly it's fun. Thanks! I am getting a good amount of gold and shaper guardian maps as well
Sounds awesome man! Glad it is working
Doesnt Scarab of Conversion actively reduce the number of T17s you get by converting potential T17s into something else?
Not really, it seems T17 conversion happens first and Shaper / Elder / Sirus one happens after.
i just tested out the corruption key stone boys and if ur target farming maps dont use it because it randomly changes maps too i put in strand i end up in lair etc. if u wanna have a low investment farm strat then go for it but its not good for farming specific maps like ziggurat. btw i noticed i get a ot more gold coins doing this because of the mods rarity quant etc. so if u wanna farm cheap gold for kingsmarch den tdo this.
i actually added dominion gold strat and enhanced map effects (on atlas), and its being quite nice, even for easily rolled maps; 8mods should be insane with this even in t16s
yoo..great vid man..just a question..i have all 4 void stones so do i need to put points into the higher teir map chances nodes..bc all my droped maps already come lvl 16? or does it still help? thanks!!
It still helps.
As usual your videos are so good. Do you have any thoughts on scrying maps for better drop improvements?
I got a question. Why chiseled perfection if your corrupted 8 mod maps will have 0 quality on them?
well if you read the node..."3% increased effect of Explicit Modifiers on your Maps per 5% Map Quality" it has nothing to do with chisels since the maps are already 8mod rolled maps with qual on them
@@CoDFoLiFe oh so they're manually rolled, not bulk bought. Gotcha
Thank you for the vid! I have bounced atlas idea to atlas idea and never enjoyed the playstyle. This is exactly what I was hoping for. It's not raining currency, but it's very consistent and I even dropped a near perf Svalinn which sold for almost 6div. I ran 10 maps and made about 18div (~20div in loot, minus the 2.2div in scarabs/etc).
strongboxes with rare variants is a good strategy too, can get up to 25 strongboxes in a map and some of those can be cartography ones, with a decent-ish chance for t17
Prices for T17 skyrocketing so CCs releasing strats to tank the price.
Outstanding move.
Trying my best to share the knowledge haha
Just kiddin' haha. I've been farming them since day 3-4 and funded a decent build out of it. I'm going to stop for a few days and see how the prices adjust, especially since fubgun also released a video earlier. Alch and go shaper guardian rota until then. You literally can't lose currency with it.
Great video! Thank you comrade ❤
I really like the video, and it has a bunch of information, but there are some unknowns i'd like to clarify, and sorry if I missed answers in the video i watched it completely and went back in search of answers.
1. If not using twist, is it better to use eater? If using maven, you'd have to have a pool of different maps which could be difficult.
2. What maps are you favoriting? Is it better to favorite one map or have you had more luck with multiple favors.
3.1 I did not yet run a huge pool of maps to get a good feel, but noticed only getting maps at the bosses, not many within the map itself. Have i just been unlucky so far or is that usually the case.
3.2 I had JV as my only favorite did this reduce the map drop count?
Thank you for watchin man! Both Maven and Eater are good, Maven will require different maps but you can rotate Elderslayer maps for example. If you hate this approach run Eater but Maven should be better. You can favourite any map - just dont take Singular Focus. Maps drops are very random too so both maps AND boss can provide it. If you will need further help hit me on twitch as well - www.twitch.tv/ronarray
@@ronarray Thanks for the quick reply, i took a break from POE mid 3.24 and just came back last week. There are a lot of things to catch up on.
I wanted to try this method to self sustain some maps as well as sell some T17.
does conversion scarab caught less t17 drop because of the conversion to a guardian vs into a t17?
As far as I tested no and it is working just fine together.
what preferred maps??
very nice guide and well structured with those timestamps. thank you!
so if maven holds a recreation of all my th16 maps, i switch to 15 until the invitation is done? is there a way to do it without the invitation stuff?
You can run 4 Sirus / Elder / Shaper maps in circle to avoid it.
@@ronarray ty
that literally cannot happen...
Thanks for the great videos!
Thank you very much for watching - doing my best there!
If doing on 8 mod maps of the same layout without twist of fate, unfortunately destructive play wouldn’t work. Not unless you’re doing 8 mod conqueror/guardian maps. I’d LOVE to do this Strat exactly as-is on jungle valley only but maven will refuse to spawn after the first time. I’m toying with the idea of swapping to altars for quant instead. Thoughts?
You could just run 8 mod silo maps. Drops Fortress. Just leave after the first phase of boss. She spawsn the extra bosses and you can just keep runnign it as long as you dont kill the silo boss.
@@yrudonking nice one! I knew of the silo tactic but didn’t put it together with this specific strategy, that’s smart. Always hated that boss but here’s a time she can serve for good…
Why do we need to have a 8mod map with twist of fate on? It is anyhow going to be randomized. I would jsut throw in any t16 20% quality corrupted map and run it…
Yeah, you can run any corrupted one, I just buy 8 mods in bulk so it is kinda easier.
I see thanks! T17 Map price are crumbling down now
dropping t17 is really a insane farm, im doing this over the 2 weeks. EAsy currency
IT also stacks Maven very fast + drops A LOT of Elder / Shaper / Sirus Maps.
I do this with harvest to get an extra divine or 2 in about 3-4 maps. I know that’s not great per time invested but it’s a nice chill sale to add on a few divines. Great video, although I was doing this already I did learn/get a few new ideas from ya👍👍
Nice to hear it man, Thank you for watching!
is it worth to run the tier 17 maps for corropted tier 16 8mod maps you can sell in bulk? with twist of fate as well?
Yeah, it can be a decent strat too.
Is fav map slot I selected affecting the dropping of T17 map?
Not really, if you not using Singular Focus.
Thank you for the video! Do you know if the “connected map drop %” nodes do anything while running shaper guardian maps? (Assuming I’m not using twist of fate). I know it’s a slightly different strat but I can’t find an answer anywhere!
As far as I understand they just drop random map instead (they drop random T17 as well). But it would require more tests.
Thank you kindly for the reply!
@@ronarray Thank you kindly for the reply!
Really doing great with this strat,fast mapping, many maps and give you many other thing with how much twist of fate give rarity and quantity on map, thanks a lot for sharing this!
Glad it is working greatly for you - stay tuned for more great stuff!
I farmed 5 maps n only got 4 T17 maps😢
But it sounds like a good result tbh!
Hey Ron, this strategy has been working out pretty well for me. I wanted to know if you'd recommend a strategy that involves running the T17 maps and what that Atlas tree might look like? T17 maps will not open on my map device with this tree. My goal is to run a few T17 maps here and there when I have a large surplus then sell the rest.
Nice to hear it is working for you man! th-cam.com/video/7g4RUBn2K1c/w-d-xo.html that video contains some T17 strategies and i will probably work on more of those later on. Hit me on Twitch if you will have questions too www.twitch.tv/ronarray
Thank you for the guide o7
Thank you for watching!
I'm a noob so I am probably wrong but doesn't searing exarch have a modifer that duplicates maps that are dropped?
Yeah, there are some good modifiers but rolling those will be very random - when maven can provide much stable results.
if we choose maven, we must change change map every bosses? since maven is witnessing only 1 boss per map
Yes but You can rotate maps gonig Elder / Shaper / Sirus Guardians in a circle.
So for the hybrid strat we use any 8mod corrupted t16???
Any corrupted T16 overall / can be 8 mod can be self corrupted.
Thanks for this it looks really good so far but I may not have understand something about Maven influence. Are we supposed to witness all our map bosses ? Because once it has been witnessed it can't be anymore, the option is disabled. But I think I'm missing a simple key point there...
Thanks for your content so easy to understand and accessible !!
You need to rotate the maps you run for maven to appear (10 bosses, then do an invite and 10 again). Thank you for nice words too!
With 'Twist of Fate' your map will be modified unpredictably, so it will become probably any possible map. So you don't need to worry much about rotating maps, just 2-3 types, just in case that you encounter one of you them with maven and this map will no longer be possible to attract Maven. It happens rarely.
Tried a few maps with different strategy and it doesn't work for me at all :(
Helped a lot, thanks!
Nice to hear man! Glad it helped!
What do you do with all the random t16 map drops that no one buys, just throw them out?
Most of the time you can ignore them and not even loot - or sell them in bulk for cheap - OR make your mappers run them in Kingsmarch.
Should i proc Maven Witnessing on jungle valley , or i just shouldnt kill the big spider at all ? i prefer not to run Twist because of reflect :(
If you don't run twist you can run random 10 maps to get maven or simple Elder / Shaper / Sirus maps.
@@ronarray i mean i have lots of 8 modded Jungle Valleys because i farmed with Corruption Scarab, i wanted to capitalize on that stock , my other maps are not so well rolled :D
@@Heapothenus pantheon + 1 elemental passive makes you reflect immune btw
Hmmm, I keep getting quality 20 t15s as drops when I run t16s with this atlas and scarabs.
why do we take the shaping nodes? don't the nodes say that it only affects maps dropping higher tier map t1-15? also doesn't it not matter if we run 8-mod maps? since it "re-vaals" the map basically and then adds the 1-3 mods? also the map craft also gets randomised so why do we take one?
Same question
Reevaaling not changing amount mods, just adding new one. We take a map craft for twist of Fate to work properly because it has a wording of AND (Also random map mode is nice for 2c). Shaper nodes rise amount of t1-t15 Maps that will be dropped at T16 instead and can be converted to T17 because of that.
Answer all of those, so check the chain please.
@@ronarray ok so a simple test proves that it does revaal the map mods, I vaaled a map and checked the mods, when I went in the mods were all completely different. Perhaps u had just seen some of the same mods and thought they didn’t change?
@@ronarray and after another simple test of just activating with just the plain increase quant map craft, twist of fate still worked, tho I suppose the question now is whether a random map craft worth over 8% quant?
I don't know if i'm just super unlucky, but have been trying something really similar and didn't get any t17 in like 40 maps.. :( Hope I will get some soon.
Feel for you man, sounds like a bad luck - which strategy from the video you have used?
@chunkmiwa do you have all 4 voidstones socketed?
@@Disciple_ Yes, all 4 warchstones, all points from atlas, plus the expensive scarabs strat.
That's an important question too!
Check if you have Singular Focus in your atlas
Does scarab of conversion convert t17 maps to shaper/guardian maps as well? that would be bad no?
Not, even Shaper / Elder / Maps could be converted to T17 just fine so it is not hurting the strat.
@@ronarray Are you certain? Based on the wording, it says all t14+ maps can be converted to shaper/elder
Yes, I'm certain IF your map will be converted to Shaper / Elder BUT it is T16 it STILL can be Converted to T17.
Im pretty sure shaper/guardian maps scarab fucks this strategy because a map can either convert to shaper/elder or to a t17, a map cant ever convert to a shaper/elder then again convert to a t17.
It is important to understand which conversion is rolled first - so first check - IF the map converting to T17 -> if yes it just converts, but if NO it has a chance to convert to shaper / elder etc instead. But AFTER T17 check. You can check it yourself since in my experience adding this scarab had no effect on my average T17 drops over 100 maps. Cheers!
bro, is it normal i open a 8 mod JV map n it turns to other maps...i selected Twisted of Fate. thx
Yeah it is absolutely normal, it should change to other maps and modifiers will change as well.
does this atlas tree have all the skill points ? I don't think I missed something and I still have some points
I usually spend a little less skill points for the people who dont have full atlas - so you can pick any last few passives.
just a feedback for you, i am running the same strategy as you, just with jun
i am already getting 1 x t17 map per 3 shaper map without scarabs. not sure if i am lucky. i have been running for 3 - 4 days already
Why you decided to go with jun tho/ otherwise cool that it is working for you!
@@ronarray alch and go. i tried mixing in other mech, ambush, essense,harbringer and they required scarab to run, i just dont want to bother with adding scarab into my run.
i feel jun is the best profit for me if i hit veil orbs. if not for the exp. other mechanic may just cause me sudden death.
i only have 2 watchstones and not using any scarab.. doing like 15 maps and manage to drop 4 tier 17 maps lol , its actually pretty cool since i put zero budget on it.. also i always love the shrine atlas node.. its literally give you a free mob pack and some powerful buffs
Would be even better with 4 watchstones!
@@ronarray yeah awesome guide as always
@@Lyaagato Doing my best as usual stay tuned for crazy bossing video today and thank you for the support!
where do i get the 8 mod maps from?
You can just corrupt normal maps yourself - it will be enough for this strat.
hi, thx for video, now i farming your stacked deck farm, yesterday it get me arround 30 div+harvest which i use to craft, can i farm this if use your cheap endgame build? wouldnt i die every map with maps mods haha?
I would keep farming stack deck - this one is mostly for people interested in farming T17 to run them later.
Why does toxic sewers have to connect to the hard t17 crash one Ugg. Melee small aoe killing me mentally in melee hehe.Also I seem to only see a t17 in about one out of 3 runs. I had some bad runs where only one reg corrupted dropped thinking maybe loiokjng for a mechanic to add to this for the pack map scarab costs as is a or 50-60c a map I am liking seer though, less rippy and a bit more forgiving to melee😀
You are not supposed to run 8-mod maps with this strategy, right? Since Twist of Fate completely randomizes the number and type of mods on corrupted maps. So if you put in a 4mod corrupted map or an 8mod corrupted map it doesn't matter, Twist of Fate is gonna Twist of Fate and randomize everything anyway. Right?
Yeah, you can run 8mods to avoid corrupting stuff yourself and save time OR you can corrupt any normal maps to any mods and run those.
Will try this
Hope it will work out great for you and thank you for watching
Reading the comments and haven't dropped a single t17 in 3 maps xD Expensive set up, 4x watchstones and Twist of Fate running
3 maps is a very low sample size, it should be closer on average around 50-100 samples at least. But be careful - if it is not working for you right now dont overforce it since prices / rates can change. Cheers!
25 maps and no t17 this morning. Granted it might be a huge bad luck streak but I suspect a nerf behind the scenes at this point
Will retest on one of the upcoming streams, thank you for letting me know.
@@scwwfsc yeasame here , even normal maps seems to be rarer ... switched today to farm up some 8 mods and was struggling to get many
twist of fate seems to be a bad idea if youre running 8mod maps
i assumed that since its 8 mod maps, plus 1-3 mods from twist, +1 from risk scarab, you could get 12 mod maps
but no, twist of fate rerolls the number of mods on the map as well, ive ended up with some of my maps being 6 mod, even worse than if i didnt use risk and twist
You can combine any corrupted map with that and get 12 mods in some cases tho. You can corrupt yourself if you want to as well.
@@ronarray ive done a little more digging and it seems that you cant get 12 mod, when twist of fate rerolls maps it chaos orbs them, meaning the base map is incapable of rolling any more than 6 mods
so the max you can get with twist of fate is 9, plus scarabs of risk
regardless of what map you put in, it will have 5-9 mods, plus scarab of risk
so its barely ever better than just running an 8 mod without twist of fate
@@vincentgrinn2665 interesting, i tested both and didn't feel a difference, but thought that was just me. Feels like the node is good maybe early league if u have no currency ?
how much div per hour with this strat bro ?
No idea, I used it to farm maps for myself - it is not the best for currency farming in my opinion.
@@ronarraywhich one u prefer most? Harvest?
I liked Stack deck one, strongboxes are not bad too - so is my Breach / Deli strat.
@@ronarray im seeing ur dark pact path of ur build is this still good in 3.25 bro ?
Yeah it is even stronger now, but keep in mind that you will need 20k life to feel good so good items are in need.
i just got 5 17s in 1 map this strat is insane
Pretty happy it is working out for you man! Thank you for watching.
what strategy?
what a bullshit commentary nice try but is not possible to drop that in only 1 map, u can only maybe drop 4 with the great luck of double 1 and another T17 map, but because is a fact that after first T17 drop the chance is VERY VERY LOWER to get another map, SO 5 COME ON PLEASE ^^
пробежал 10 коррапт мап по 100+ кванты на топ скарабах выпал 1 зиккурат, фарм пушка
If I understood your comment right - it is a very low sample size, 10 maps are too affected by rng.
Good thing zenith can run any mod with no regex needed. I like this
yeah that could be very helpful for some builds!
Thank you I needed to get away from Harb farming its just not doing it for me anymore lol.. I actually thought i was done with the league last night until i happened upon this strat going to do it
I hope it will work great for you man - thank you for watching!
How did I farm 100 t16 maps but have no t16?
Why you don't have T16? You should drop a lot of those.
@@ronarray oh I meant to say "but have no t17"
If you have 0 T17 after 100 maps (!!!) something wrong with the setup - which one are you running? Singular Focus on? All watchstones in?
@@ronarray 100 t16 drops, so like 12 maps done or so, I only have two watch stones, and no singular focus
2 Watchstones is bad for this strat - you need 4 to get more maps.
need to know how to get these in POE 2 man
haha yeah, in POE2 it is a little diferrent!
10 maps and 2 t17. With the scarabs high price looks like a rng farm
Well, in the ARPG all drops are a little RNG gated to be honest. But if price is a little too much you could go with less expensive strat ( I have a few there). Cheers!
Since I'm pretty much done with this league and have A LOT of divines sitting around I decided to test this strat. After running 100 maps, believe it or not I only got 8 T17 maps, which is awful. LS Slayer with Headhunter can pretty much run every mod when it gets those modes from monster. T16 maps were droping like CRAZY, but not T17. What I did notice is that you get a lot of gold with this strat. So bottom line is: I think after they removed Back To Basic atlas node that T17 farming is horrible, I think you just have to run maps and hope that RNG Jesus will bless you. And that's about it.
To be honest for map strats RNG plays a VERY big role - it could have very annoying DRY strikes, but generally you are kind of right haha
Multitude has been 16-18c for a couple days now, not sure where you getting the 12-15c from
I've been buying for 15c yesterday while I filmed this, normal market / not Faustus. But 1 or 2c to the price will not change a lot of things tbh.
i think 17 only drop from boss??
No, why? you can see them dropping randomly at the start of the video.
@@ronarray hey, can i combine harvest + sacrifice + Escala tion ??
Yeah, it should work just fine.
Been doing this for the past week and its amazing. I had a good 5 map run with a t17 drop in each. Hoping the Multitude prices don't skyrocket though.
They are steadily Rising but you can run it with less / no multitudes too.
I just started the strat.. I think im doing something wrong. I did 30 maps and only 3 t17 dropped... Did you have such a long streak without t17?
Thats a very long streak - no Multitudes? Without twist of Fate?
@@ronarray I did 25 maps and 3 t17 loot drops. 2 Multitudes and twist of fate. I Might have done something wrong. I will try again and report here, I'm sure it's a good strat
It was a really unlucky streak. I did 12 maps and got 8 t17 😅. You need big samples for everything in poe. Thanks for the start, it is generating thousands and thousands of gold
Guys, I have a stupid question. Can favor map slots reduce chance to get t17? In theory, they shouldn't. Most likely, the t17 check comes last and doesn't care about the map location.
@ronarray thank you, btw!
It shouldn't to be honest since amount of T16 that drops is not changing.
Dang, i got 3 strats gone less profitable in 2 days from appearing in yt vids.
Time for making sanctum mymancave for currwncy farming for the rest of the league
Oh, I'm sorry man - I'm sure it is not that bad... at least I hope so!
@@ronarray dw it's just natural market stuff, highly profitable strats work best the less ppl know about it, but when one becomes popular the market creates gaps somewhere else
nice one 200 Divine build,..
ugh i hate being forced to use scarabs lately
After the rework, everything is balanced around you using them. You kinda have to, or you're losing so much value. Idk how one could hate doing it, it's as simple as putting them in the map device and doing what you were gonna do anyway. Just gotta buy a handful and go. No difference compared to before, except it's even easier cuz no sextants.
@@taylon5200 exactly... I have to buy something, put something, remove if I change something, yada yada. so hard to understand about it not being alch and go?
@@ArnoldsKtm I mean you can still do that. Just dont expect optimal performance.
was this nerfed? im 20 maps in..... ive gotten 2 abominations lol thats it
But the shaper elder scarab went up a lot, mission achieved.
Like bro
Thank you for the support as usual bro!
this strategy is good but not for farming t17. I got a lot of shaper elder guardian maps but 0 t17. Sad
Well, there is no other dedicated strategy to farm T17 - so usually you should drop more than that.
@@ronarray got it, thanks!
From my personal experience I disagree about Cartography Scarab of Corruption. If you have valuable maps favorited (Strand/Dunes/Jungle Valley/Toxic Sewer/Defiled Cathedral/Beach) then you can sell these maps very easily for ~11c regex, and a good 80% of 8-mod maps will be suitable for someone's regex. And even the non-regex ones sell for 7c each. you get 6-12 of these every map, it is a huge chunk of profit. Every map you are going to get ~0.3 divines worth of 8-mod maps which is quite a lot considering how fast it is to run these maps without mechanics. Not to mention the sheer convenience of supplying your own 8-mod maps.
The only real downside to this is needing to bulk sell maps, so you need to be willing to make a listing on TFT every few hours while playing, so if you are not wanting to deal with TFT you shouldn't do it.
For this Strat we are focusing on getting Elder / Shaper / Sirus maps to run and T17 to sell - if you want to farm corrupted ones it will be better to use another setup. prices of 8mods are not that high and selling process is very inefficient.
nice now buying my t17s will be cheaper
Exactly as planned!
just tried your strat without twist of fate and i have to say it's the worst atlas tree i have tried as of yet. No t17 map drop in 10-15 maps. 4 voidstones, corrupted 8 mod maps. I get like 2-3 normal maps per map, no t17
Which scarabs do you use? Because if you have no scarabs at all (At least no multitudes) it is a nice result for a tiny sample size of 10 maps.
@@ronarray 2x multi, 1 conversion, 1 escalation and 1 risk
You physically cant drop only 2 maps from such Strat - just Multi will provide 2+, something is heavily wrong in the setup there even if we will keep tiny sample size in mind - Maybe you have Singular Focus allocated? That Atlas tree is pretty much old and used by everyone to farm maps from other Content Creators to bulk traders, there is just nothing else that you can pick for maps. Cheers!
Why would one scarab have to cover the cost of another one? That's just silly thinking. You pick the scarabs that have the most positive effect on total revenue and balance it around cost.
Lol you “the scarabs that have the most positive effect on total revenue and balance it around cost”. Yea he did and he found that using a cheap scarab to cover the cost of the expensive ones gets the benefits from the expensive one while not adding barely any cost/time in map. I don’t think it’s a necessity but it’s what he likes.
What do you mean one scarab covering for the other? There is a combination that work the best together, those scarabs cant work without the other, it is NOT like 1 is doing everything and covering for the second which is useless.
@@ronarray Check 4:20 in the video. You say that rewards from conversion scarab will pay for the cost of multitude. I said that is silly thinking - what matters is the total input and output of the strategy.
First of - there is no such thing as "Silly Thinking", any kind of opinion if it formulated correctly should be acknowledged and if it works it works.
Second - Well we have a cheap scarab that works in combo with expensive one, while we are fishing for T17 Conversion can help to pay for the rest if T17 fishing fails, it is a simple math I suppose. I hope it is more clear now, cheers!
such a bad strat. ran the hybrid version for 10 maps, full clear all maps. not a single t17 just some t16. rofl
This is literally the only T17 strat that everybody uses, 10 maps is a very small sample size too. Look into Quantity / Scarab setup as well.
Sinusitis, please get checked
Thank you for trying to help man, but I'm fine! Just a little Cold maybe Haha
Great strategy, right? I ran 15 maps, sinking who knows how much currency into them because I couldn't be bothered to keep track. And guess what? I got a grand total of 3 T17 maps. Honestly, I think if you just went with an 'alch and go' approach, you'd get the same-if not better-results. My advice? Don't waste your resources. Statistically, you're likely to drop just as many, if not more, maps without all the extra investment.
But the shaper elder scarab went up a lot, mission achieved.
Nah, 15 maps and 1 t17... clickbait as usual....
Well, you have a VERY low sample size (15 is like 40 minutes?) and don't even state what kind of strategy you are running. Most of my stuff is tested Live and already saved on VODs so all math can be checked and there is no clickbait at all - it is simple RNG in an ARPG.
@@ronarray I think these guys also forget the amount of random influenced maps etc they're getting. On average, you 100% break even regardless and then there's at least 20 - 40c profit per map IMO. I've been constantly dying to this strategy cause of my build being hexblast mines but I like it overall because I just quality, alch + corrupt and go without having to worry about anything else.
Am I the only one who can kill the bosses easy in t17 but think they're too expensive to roll good mods
Love for your efford, but im sorry , this strat is ass, 80 maps only 6xt17, sure you sustain the cost with the other maps that drop but your not doing any profit, neither do you get enough t17 for yourself to say this is worth.
That's sounds like an unlucky line, there are many people in the comments with much better results.
Which strat you have used (there are 4 of them in the video)? Do you have 4 watchstones?
@@ronarray The Expensive Setup from the Video + the Twist Boxes Setup from the description + T16 8Mod Random Maps from TFT, (4 Voidstones)
No Favor maps choosen. Duno maybe rly just unlucky but 6xt17 in 80 maps is heavy.
@@xSunny599 Try to run Hybrid setup to hedge some prices and just corrupt quality ones instead of 8mod, maybe it will help. Those results are heavy for sure.
You Russian?
It is mostly Swedish and French influence haha
Shaping the mountains, Shaping the skies and other nodes that grant you +tier for map drops are a waste of atlas points if you have 4 voidstones. I dk why people league by league are sill making such a mistake. Take adjasement map drops and you'll see the result
Because it is not a mistake, it is confirmed by literally all Content Creators who did tests (including me) - You are still dropping T14 and T15 maps so those nodes help you to rise more of those to T16. I also have ALL Adjustment map nodes in the strat.
@@ronarray you have 100% chance from your voidstones and you are farming T16 maps. Even if you drop T14 it might upgrade it to T15 that never can happen while farming T16. It might have worked a bit with guardian maps, that usually drop T14 instead of t15 and t16 beach (for example, but who cares about guardian Tier map drop). These +map tier nodes do nothing while farming t17 maps. You are losing 4 Nodes with this strat that grant you +8% to adjacement map drops on your left side of the tree and on the right and some scarab nodes that may be a good option as well
"when an item drops it MIGHT be a map. if it is a map it then rolls its tier e. g. 1-16. if the tier it rolls has no maps on the Atlas, it is converted into a hidden form of currency. When you get enough of that hidden currency a map drop is forced for a valid tier of map on your Atlas.
a tier 1 map is worth less currency than a tier 2 map, and so on.
so having + tier bonuses will make more maps drop."
Apparently that's the mechanic for it ^^ take with a grain of salt but that makes sense.
@@Kurtaair I think you misunderstand how it works - 100% chance means nothing in there, here the quote from the wiki - ***"Tier 1-15 Maps found have #% chance to become 1 tier higher: This stat stacks additively with similar stats from the Atlas Passive Tree and Voidstones; if the chance exceeds 100%, the excess chance instead applies to chance to be 2 tiers higher, and so on"***
So as you can see we are still benefitting heavily from those nodes and they are crucial.
your guide isn't good at all, try farming t16 8modded jungle valley with delirium and shrines, put all favorite in to one connectet map and singular (i tried your way liek 100 maps and its huge difference with the singular :) and you can still sell them like 10c each)
scarabs are 2x multitude, escalation, lineage and 8modded maps are coruppted, or 3rd multitude, i drop per 10maps about 8 t17 maps + a lot of currency, deli orbs and don't have to gamble with twisted fate ;D i'm only using 8modded with 40+ packsize and more magic/rare monsters on modifiers.
You are literally explaining half of the same strat that I talk about in the video. Twisted fate is not a gamble if you paly strong build that can carry all mods, Singular focus is giving 20% less T17 and not worth it too, you also don't need Linage if you run multitudes already.