The strange thing is how can the head of AMG not understand this? Who did they put there and why? Every guy with any amount of interest in cars understands this...
They also don’t really care about torque as they don’t weight anything- they spend their life over 10k rpm… as good of a following as the S2000s have now they weren’t really popular when new because they were gutless under 3500rpm- not great for the street
Uh, here's one guy who cares about efficiency. 1983 Mercedes Benz 240D Manual with 4 speed manual electric windows and sunroof. Runs 70-80 all day long and will do it for decades. And it cost me less than a down payment on anything today.
I got a manual 240D , doing 80mph in 4th gear is almost all the revs and sounds terrible xD this car drives nicely at 100 km/h (60mph) , everything over that is not very comfortable in my opinion.. well maby 110-120 still ok if you crank up the radio xD
True , l had an 83 240 D. Dog slow and noisy at 65 mph. My 78 300D was way more fun and almost same mpg and quicker for sure. 240 too slow to merge into most highway moving traffic. Great as taxi around town
@ it is not to slow to merge.. busses merge too , they are slower.. just need some planning xD mine is the 72 hp .. there is a 65 hp variant aswell.. Theese cars are made fun of for beeing slow.. but most vans are just as slow, and they keep up with traffic too some are badly maintained are even slower than what they supose to be thou,,
@@JordanDorsey-tc4qu i got a old man 1 owner 95 accord with 130k for 3500 Timing belt & water pump job later and its good for another 30 years lol My last 95 accord wagon died @ 550k Most people loose more $$ as soon as they drive off the lot You could also buy a $1000 paid off car once a year for 40 years for the same price.of a new car Then sell it for $1000 when your done or more and never loose $ on cars Ive always drove a car for a yr or 2 then sold it for more then i paid Never lost money driving. I basicly rent them for free
Not only has Stellantis priced the Wagoneer / Grand Wagoneer to the Stratosphere, the Quality is abysmal and it was way to rushed for sale. One of the worst vehicle introductions ever.
My buddy just bought a car dealers loaded grand Wagnoneer personal car under two years old for $65,000. It’s very nice for $65,000 but certainly not the $106,000 sticker. They played golf together one day and he mentioned he was looking for a new bigger car because he just had another kid. The dealer asked if he wanted his for $65k. Bing, bam, boom…Done deal. 😂
They don't even need a focus group to figure out what to build. They can just look at all the cars and trucks that are sitting on dealer lots because nobody wants them and do the opposite.
But you could clear the lots immediately if you handed everyone a "50% off one item" coupon. It's price vs wages vs financing that keep todays cars sitting.
This is like the 70s. The consumer didn't ask for 5 MPH bumpers, catalytic converters, lower compression engines, etc. They were forced upon people. I'm not arguing over the merit of these things, they just happened and without an option......
But that's a whole different thing from all car manufacturers constantly upscaling their cars and end up with lots full of cars they can't sell because buyers can't afford to buy them anymore. This AMG C63 simply makes no sense in a whole different way: you buy the C63 because you have the money and want the V8. Mercedes downscaling from the iconic 6+ liter V8 to the 4+ liter twin-turbo V8 was already frowned upon, but as it still had a V8 that made all the proper noises and it performed even better than the old V8, people bought them. This 4-cylinder hybrid C63 simply doesn't make any sense and in another comment someone pointed out that Mercedes should have sold it as a different version beside the C63 and maybe call it the C43. That way they would have given their customers the choice: do you want to buy the "old" V8 powered car or do you want to buy the "exiting new" high-tech 4-cylinder hybrid car?
@@tjroelsma Agreed, but it is still very similar. In 1971 all the horsepower ratings went down and continued to drop for the next several years. People who wanted performance cars were suddenly faced with the fact that last year‘s model was faster. From the 50s on cars got more powerful and better every year, all that changed in the 70s. suddenly four cylinders were popping up everywhere, and later front wheel drive cars. Full-size cars, which previously had big enough V8s to pull them around were suddenly struggling with small V-8s or V-6s.
@@charlesdalton985 It's nothing like the 1970s. The new C63 has 680hp and 750ft-lbs of torque. There is no lack of power going on here, but there is a serious lack of cylinders. It will be ridiculously fast but in a very different way to what the old V8 engines did. I don't think these cars will sell well because the people with the money to buy them don't want a massively boosted 4-banger and the people who do want a massively boosted 4-banger don't have the money for a C63.
You're close Hoovie! The manufacturers say don't charge over 80%, but they also say don't deplete the battery under 20%. So it's not an 80% figure you're working with. It's a 60% figure.
Said, I think by somebody that doesn't drive an EV 😮 You're right that you shouldn't run a Lithium Ion battery to completely 0% as that destroys it, however it's also almost impossible to do that as the vehicle manufacturers don't let you go below 5% (That's the true percentage when your car shows 0%) and you can run it down to (what shows as) 0% all you like without damaging the battery. Likewise, when you charge to 100%, you're really only going up to 95%.
Depends on the battery. NMC is better to keep off the buffers (like redlining for longevity) whereas the LiFePO4 batteries need you to charge them to 100% often for best management.
@@icereturns7867 So then why even display the battery as 5% remaining when it won't let you use the battery at anything less than that? It should be showing 0% remaining. Seems to me that they're playing fast and loose with the facts.
@michaelhintz6187 Agreed 100% V8 or nothing, Alot of these Turbo engines (especially the overpriced EcoBoost trucks as well as the overpriced Hurricane Rams) aren't known for reliability at all and they cost you an arm and a leg when they break.
Inertia will hurt 'ya. There's a reason Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space (and turbines pull off more power than a reciprocating piston can ever dream of).
Let's try to be honest here. Automakers are trying to market their way into convincing the public they want these cars. There are two reasons they exist broadly: 1. Planned obsolescence and greater complexity and therefore more profit. Why more profit? Constituent parts are more complex and cost more to replace and fail more often. A hybrid has 2 powertrains versus 1. A hybrid automobile has 2.4 x's the part of complexity of either a pure EV or gas vehicle. Statistically, more complex machines fail at a higher rate. Every time a motor or controller or battery fails on a hybrid that doesn't exist on a gas car, automakers make more profit. Engineers that develop the technology, know when parts generally fail which is out of warranty based upon their production validation testing. 2. Second reason is CAFE. Automakers are rewarded for greater fuel economy and lower emissions. The ONLY reason automakers step up to make more complex automobiles which is more work for them is they are more rewarded in terms of profit for making vehicles that have a higher failure rate. The American public is largely clueless about automotive technology. Automakers depend on the ignorance of the public to purchase more complicated cars...like hybrids... that are less reliable.
Excellent, but there is one more bonus for the manufacturers here. When you have an electronic module that gets used on one model for 2 or three years, by the time that car is 15 or 20 years old nobody will be making a replacement for the module.
I guess Toyota cannot fix "stupid" so they are taking advantage of that by trying to sell them a 4-cylinder Land Cruiser. Toyota does not realize that there is a small number of potential stupid customers!!! LOL
@@dipren443 I was born in Western Pennsylvania in the mid 60s and I never heard the term till this video. Amazing how sayings vary from place to place. Of course most people can’t speak Pittsburghese either. 😂
I mentioned awhile back, manufacturers need to speak up against asinine regulations rather than silently comply. I think the last time I mentioned this was as recently as the new WRX STi coming with a CVT transmission.... which is peak stupidity. I'm glad they're starting to find their balls to speak up. Should've been done years ago but better late than never.
@@stevenhampton8417 Yup, it's such a crazy decision that makes you wonder how it was ever OK'd at Subaru. No one at the company thought it was a bad idea or were they just not allowed to complain? Either way, let's hope for some change. :)
You say speak up to regulations ... but there are no electric car mandates ... there are Cafe MPG regulations and this is the way the manufacturers decided to go ... because they don't understand their customers
Automakers are in a difficult position. EU has an aggressive time line to move to EV’s. Wall Street is putting money in EV manufacturers, not ICE manufacturers. Tesla is worth more than Ford and GM combined and should be worth 10% of Ford. EV’s do not have the must haves to move people from ICE. When they get to 10 min full charge, 300 to 400 mile range, cheap battery replacement, easy availability of chargers nationwide, and laws to prevent rolling coal vehicles icing chargers, then people will start moving to EV’s.
The elephant in the room is that car makers are only making 4-cylinder hybrid "performance," vehicles...is that it would be the only way they'd be able to meet the ridiculous emissions regulations, which get more strict year-over-year. This also is the reason why all cars are getting larger, because the emissions allowance is related to its track (total wheelbase LxW), the bigger the car, the more emissions allowed. The EPA is actively working towards forcing standard ICEs out of the market via incremental regulation
I agree with the first and third point. The second only applies to America and explains why you don't get cars like the Toyota GR-Yaris. Who needs four cylinders ? 🙂
IDK if it's that surprising. She is isolated from the real world because of her looks and family influence and money. She's probably been that way since she was a child.
An F1 car has a V6, so the C63 didn’t get F1 powertrain, plus an F1 engine costs a million dollars. If they did a C53 with the 443 hp inline 6 and just didn’t have a C63 that would have had less push back.
Nobody is buying a Mercedes Benz to drive a freaking 4 cilindros. If i want a 4 cilindros i buy a Mini Cooper or a Japanese car or something cheap Car companies hates their userbase
I own a 07 supercharged SL55 P30 AMG. It has 510 hp 530 ftlbs of torque it is a beast full stop. I love it. I also have a 2023 E450 Allterrain twin turbo in line 6 near hybrid…I love it and the battery eliminates any turbo lag BUT it is not a beast.
I live in U.K. and USA… I can see the appeal of small bore high tune engines. I have a GR Yaris with 3 cylinder/ 270 hp which is sublime and also have a Bronco Sport with 3 cylinder engine which is fine for going to Walmart and Target BUT BUT BUT… I still want big bore V8 or V6 / straight six’s so also have BMW M240i / McLaren 570 and a Ferrari Cali T. Biggest issue is trying to over sell performance cars with tin-pot power plants at crazy price points…
CAFE standards is 50.4 MPG by 2031. No V8 can achieve this number therefore no new V8 will be made by 2030. People still can get V8's now but in a few years, there's no other choice than 4 cyl hybrid.
The amount of executives that failed to read, plan and execute for the post-Covid economy is impressive. Across many industries, so many believed demand and price elasticity will remain the same.
GO back to the old school way of having 3/4 of your cars in your line up is what majority of working class can afford. $18,000 to 35,000 . Make profits on high volume. Then have 2 heavy hitters .
Just starting the video…spot on. The C63S was on the top of my buy list as a daily until the 4 cylinder was announced. How can Merc leadership be this disconnected. It’s crazy.
April is right on the mark with the Charger. It is fine that Stellantis wanted to make an electric car.....but call it something else. It's simple - WHY call it a Charger? and $70K? - not on your life
Like a Bronco Sport with a 1.5L, 3 cylinder, turbo engine. Or a 2.3L, 4 cylinder, turbo in the larger Bronco. And we're all tired of color choices of black, silver, white and gray. We're tired of vehicles with fake exhaust tips. We're tired of vehicles with massive aircraft carrier-sized center consoles. We're tired of everything having to be a sport SUV that can carve corners like a razor blade on ice and do 0-60 faster than the speed of light.
@@Kirkster131New 4runner is solid, the engine is reported on negatively but when you drive it it's a different story. Try it before that piece of junk bronco screws you over.
@@tacs25A 4 cylinder powering a ~4500 pound SUV and then trying to tow anything is going to be over stressed. It’s not like a ~2500 pound Hilux. And then driving fully loaded with gear and towing an open light weight trailer with two motorcycles for 6 or 8 hours a 4 cylinder is not going to cut it. I understand if all you are doing is getting groceries it is fine. It’s the U in SUV that worries me.
MANY of the problems that car makers have are because of government INTERFERENCE AND REGULATIONS that serve no purpose but to make vehicles more expensive and horrible to drive.
Just for fun. Unlike NASCAR where at pit they throw a few gallons of gas in, spilling some on the car. F1 they have basically a fuel cell. No refills. The cars are small, made with exotic lightweight materials and smaller motors. 40 years ago Ford used a 4 cylinder in their compact Festiva(?) That was the same block they had been using in F1 cars. Yes a 4 banger. Works in a small, light subcompact. Not so much in a larger full dress sedan.
Stelantis needs to up their quality alot before people will want to buy their products, the crappy quality hurt them more the bad pricing in my opinion. If I'm going to spend 70k plus it better be Toyota reliable.
In short: “performance” is not the same as “experience.” I have no doubt that some of these smaller, turbo charged, supercharged, and/or hybridized engines make the cars go faster. But the thing is the sensation of speed is more important than speed itself, so long as you’re on the road and not the track. NO ONE is tracking these cars. We we buy an AMG product it’s not to go from traffic light to traffic light as quickly and as efficiently as possible… It’s to go AS FUN as possible. And that means the feel of a big engine, being loud, and building power. I’d much rather go from 0-60 in 4 seconds the stupid way then 0-60 in 3 seconds the best way. That’s what they’re missing the point of. It’s the exact same thing that Tesla drivers don’t understand.
I can't think of one 2024 or 2025 vehicle I would want as my daily. Too expensive, too complicated, and too much depreciation. I'm happy to stay in my 2016 F150 V8
I'll sit in a focus group all day long and give opinions to the automakers that will make the "smart set" that got them in this mess head for the fainting couches. Remember "the experts" have royally f'ed up everything they've touched for the past decade or more. No need to be shy about telling them how stupid they really are.
Car manufacturers do not downsize from popular, profitable, high displacement powertrains because they hate car sales, revenue, and profit. They do so when Western governments commit to net zero emission goals and difficult to attain CAFE standards, and their boards are held ransom to ESG metrics. Tyler knows this. His audience know this.
Likely the Euro emissions and other restrictions are forcing mfgs to make smaller engines. V8s turn into v6’s and V6’s are turning into 4’s and turbo 4’s…
One thing April and Tyler are leaving out is California's "Advanced Clean Cars II" regulations. Which around a dozen states have adopted, so far. "States do not have any right to regulate vehicle emissions" -- that's the domain of the Federal Environmental Protection Agency. Though, California had vehicle emission standards before the EPA ever started even thinking about making some, so their regulations have been "grandfathered" in -- so California DOES have that right. And there is a small bit of California's regulations that allow them to "export" their rules to other states. And THAT is why other states can even make these regulations, period. But the fact remains that more than a dozen states WILL require that sales of new vehicles by 2023 MUST be "zero emission" vehicles. Which, at this point in technology, means "battery electric vehicles." That "100% sales of new vehicles by 2035" actually starts NEXT YEAR -- 2026 -- when 35% of new vehicles must be zero emission. That percentage goes up by 8% each year, until it reaches 100% in 2035. And THAT is why manufacturers have been producing battery electric vehicles, whether anyone wants to buy them, or not. GOVERNMENTS ARE REQUIRING THEM TO DO SO. Now, while the Federal government may relax vehicle emission rules, there is no reason to expect that these dozen or so states will do the same. And thus, with a decade left to go, these manufacturers need to figure out how to make these things, so they can sell to the biggest vehicle market in the US (California), and more.
With any luck, the ONE AND ONLY good thing TrumpleDumple might do for this country is relax emissions laws at a federal level and strip away the CARB bullshit. Auto manufacturers should step up in masse and flat out refuse to deal with their bullshit. If all manufacturers did this, there'd be nobody to buy vehicles from. Many of the electric companies don't build vehicles that can do work (trucks, vans etc) and many can't afford the expensive brand new EVs and would get very pissed, move, protest etc.
Did the Government get carried away with electric cars, absolutely. Does that mean they’re bad, absolutely not. The mistake made by mandated electric vehicles before having a nationwide charging system was the straw that broke this camels back. And I love my PHEV Wrangler.
Friend of mine has a new Jeep Wrangler at six months old and is having serious Oil leak issues. He’s been in a rental car provided under warranty. These new cars are just not as reliable as they used to be.
@@butcherrocker Flashing on a Big Bang Theory vignette. Professor Proton: "The blonde woman is really your girlfriend?". Leonard: "Yes". Professor Proton: "_You're_ the genius".
For the city electric could be a good choice. Outside i would choose maybe for a hybrid. But it all depends how many miles you drive. All electric, all day could still be a good choice. (Charging at home.)
I’ve actually realized hybrid 4, and 6 cylinders are the way to. Sick of costing myself $100 in gas every time I want to open it up a few times on the way home
Thank you for talking about this, the federal government should have no place telling us what cards we should like and buy. Give us the best and most reliable technology.
The US Government seem to have been doing that for years. In the U.K. I work next to a Polestar and BYD dealer, while enthusiasts have had Nissan GT-Rs for decades.
I don't know how well the Cayman/Boxster sold to compared to the 911. I would suspect it had lower sales especially when they came out with the turbo 4's. The heart and sole of Porsche for so many years has been the flat six engines. Even worse than Mercedes, Porsche is jumping into the Sportscar EV pool. From the most current picture of the EV Cayman, I would say the looks remind me of a 2dr Taycan. I think car manufacturers could put some R& D into NA V8 engines, flat six engines etc. and bring them back. The EV thing is just not there yet. Unless you buy a tiny one you end up paying 60K for something you really want.
I've owned Wranglers and Cherokees, currently have an XJ. The Wagoneer failed for a few reasons. First, it's ugly. It doesn't look good at any angle. Second, as you discussed, it was priced WAY too high. Third, Jeep (Stellantis) doesn't have the reputation for quality that would make a reasonable person think that spending $100k on a vehicle of theirs would be a good use of money.
I love how the president of AMG is like “just drive the car and you’ll see how good it is” when it drives like ass. The car is far too heavy which makes it both uncomfortable in daily driving and shit in the corners, the 4 popper is severely underpowered until the boost comes in and then it is very peaky, and the transmission never seems to pick the right gear. It’s a shitty car all around.
To change the subject for a second. The mid air last night in DC. Soon as they said it was from Wichita I first thought of the car You tubers in town, prayed no one was on it. Such a tragedy. April is the Lincoln transmission fixed?
Quality is like today’s appliances they are designed to die and are totally dead in 8-10 years. Yet there are fridges and freezers from the 50ies and 60ies still out there keeping beers cold and deer meat frozen. Good American quality that somehow can’t be replicated today.
There are 6 million people living in Denmark, and our cars are almost all 4-cylinder cars, and many are hybrids. 8 and 6 cylinders are very rare. The reason is that our government has some climate goals that will make you in America throw up. Our cars are taxed so heavily in owner tax if they don't drive far Per kilometer / miles. At the same time, the car is taxed 180% in registration tax to the state, which makes V8 and V6 cars very rare. Electric cars are gaining ground here because they are tax-free until 2025 and emit 0% co2 and are only moderately taxed in owner tax compared to fossil cars.
the strange thing to me about the new Charger EV, have not seen one in person, but from photos, it is way better looking than its four door gasoline predecessor.
Nobody wants cars that are too complicated to fix, which is to say ALL of them these days. At $150/hour, even a simple job with a cheap component cost $500. It is sickening how much cars cost both to buy and repair - people are going to be forced to buy older cars and a big set of tools and hope for the best they can fix whatever breaks. Why don't the car manufacturers simplify their offerings? They're pricing themselves out of customers.
A 4-banger C63 is an absolute joke. They should discontinue the car if they can't put a real engine in it. Just terrible.
Their sales are going to be awful for the new C63
It’ll be a bargain in 5 years
Or just rename is C43 AMG & cut 25% out of the sticker. Yea…. Thats not going to happen 🤣
@@grtelli I mean its not really that either.. Its a C20 Turbo Hybrid AMG 🤣
The strange thing is how can the head of AMG not understand this? Who did they put there and why? Every guy with any amount of interest in cars understands this...
Ford did that with 89 Thunderbird. They found out that Thunderbird owners could count to 8 and changed their mind to offered a V8 the next year.
F1 uses a tiny V6 with turbos and hybrid, losing 2 cylinders wasn’t gonna fool anyone
They also don’t really care about torque as they don’t weight anything- they spend their life over 10k rpm… as good of a following as the S2000s have now they weren’t really popular when new because they were gutless under 3500rpm- not great for the street
@@mikejacques8863 Funny how we are going back in time to where the Japanese engines had to always be in rev's to make power.
Uh, here's one guy who cares about efficiency. 1983 Mercedes Benz 240D Manual with 4 speed manual electric windows and sunroof. Runs 70-80 all day long and will do it for decades. And it cost me less than a down payment on anything today.
Emissions rules have made modern engines less reliable
You’ve got a German Gem there
I got a manual 240D , doing 80mph in 4th gear is almost all the revs and sounds terrible xD
this car drives nicely at 100 km/h (60mph) , everything over that is not very comfortable in my opinion.. well maby 110-120 still ok if you crank up the radio xD
True , l had an 83 240 D. Dog slow and noisy at 65 mph. My 78 300D was way more fun and almost same mpg and quicker for sure. 240 too slow to merge into most highway moving traffic. Great as taxi around town
@ it is not to slow to merge.. busses merge too , they are slower.. just need some planning xD
mine is the 72 hp .. there is a 65 hp variant aswell..
Theese cars are made fun of for beeing slow.. but most vans are just as slow, and they keep up with traffic too
some are badly maintained are even slower than what they supose to be thou,,
All new cars are unreliable appliances.
And buying used can save you a ton of money
My 2015 Acura tlx cost 14k and brand new one starts at 50k
The new one is nice but not worth 36k more
@ agreed!
@@JordanDorsey-tc4qu i got a old man 1 owner 95 accord with 130k for 3500
Timing belt & water pump job later and its good for another 30 years lol
My last 95 accord wagon died @ 550k
Most people loose more $$ as soon as they drive off the lot
You could also buy a $1000 paid off car once a year for 40 years for the same price.of a new car
Then sell it for $1000 when your done or more and never loose $ on cars
Ive always drove a car for a yr or 2 then sold it for more then i paid
Never lost money driving. I basicly rent them for free
Mazdas are supposed to still be good
@ I’ve heard of the turbo engines having issues, but that may not be longer be the case, was a few years ago.
Not only has Stellantis priced the Wagoneer / Grand Wagoneer to the Stratosphere, the Quality is abysmal and it was way to rushed for sale. One of the worst vehicle introductions ever.
Stellantis is all that’s needed to know. Any decently cared for 20 year old Toyota will have a longer life span
The problem was the person in charge who didn't give a shit about American Brands only Europe brands
This 100%. Then add in they took all the profits from the American brands to prop up their failing Euro brands.
5/50 yrs warranty and free maintenance free loan vehicles at that price 😂😂
My buddy just bought a car dealers loaded grand Wagnoneer personal car under two years old for $65,000. It’s very nice for $65,000 but certainly not the $106,000 sticker. They played golf together one day and he mentioned he was looking for a new bigger car because he just had another kid. The dealer asked if he wanted his for $65k. Bing, bam, boom…Done deal. 😂
They don't even need a focus group to figure out what to build. They can just look at all the cars and trucks that are sitting on dealer lots because nobody wants them and do the opposite.
But you could clear the lots immediately if you handed everyone a "50% off one item" coupon. It's price vs wages vs financing that keep todays cars sitting.
This is like the 70s. The consumer didn't ask for 5 MPH bumpers, catalytic converters, lower compression engines, etc. They were forced upon people. I'm not arguing over the merit of these things, they just happened and without an option......
Yup, I'm old enough to remember the non stop complaining about removing lead from gas
But that's a whole different thing from all car manufacturers constantly upscaling their cars and end up with lots full of cars they can't sell because buyers can't afford to buy them anymore.
This AMG C63 simply makes no sense in a whole different way: you buy the C63 because you have the money and want the V8. Mercedes downscaling from the iconic 6+ liter V8 to the 4+ liter twin-turbo V8 was already frowned upon, but as it still had a V8 that made all the proper noises and it performed even better than the old V8, people bought them. This 4-cylinder hybrid C63 simply doesn't make any sense and in another comment someone pointed out that Mercedes should have sold it as a different version beside the C63 and maybe call it the C43. That way they would have given their customers the choice: do you want to buy the "old" V8 powered car or do you want to buy the "exiting new" high-tech 4-cylinder hybrid car?
@@tjroelsma Agreed, but it is still very similar. In 1971 all the horsepower ratings went down and continued to drop for the next several years. People who wanted performance cars were suddenly faced with the fact that last year‘s model was faster. From the 50s on cars got more powerful and better every year, all that changed in the 70s. suddenly four cylinders were popping up everywhere, and later front wheel drive cars. Full-size cars, which previously had big enough V8s to pull them around were suddenly struggling with small V-8s or V-6s.
@@charlesdalton985Agreed 100%
@@charlesdalton985 It's nothing like the 1970s. The new C63 has 680hp and 750ft-lbs of torque. There is no lack of power going on here, but there is a serious lack of cylinders. It will be ridiculously fast but in a very different way to what the old V8 engines did. I don't think these cars will sell well because the people with the money to buy them don't want a massively boosted 4-banger and the people who do want a massively boosted 4-banger don't have the money for a C63.
You're close Hoovie! The manufacturers say don't charge over 80%, but they also say don't deplete the battery under 20%. So it's not an 80% figure you're working with. It's a 60% figure.
50% range in cold weather, so 30% LOL
Said, I think by somebody that doesn't drive an EV 😮 You're right that you shouldn't run a Lithium Ion battery to completely 0% as that destroys it, however it's also almost impossible to do that as the vehicle manufacturers don't let you go below 5% (That's the true percentage when your car shows 0%) and you can run it down to (what shows as) 0% all you like without damaging the battery. Likewise, when you charge to 100%, you're really only going up to 95%.
Depends on the battery. NMC is better to keep off the buffers (like redlining for longevity) whereas the LiFePO4 batteries need you to charge them to 100% often for best management.
@@icereturns7867 So then why even display the battery as 5% remaining when it won't let you use the battery at anything less than that? It should be showing 0% remaining.
Seems to me that they're playing fast and loose with the facts.
I just charge my ID Buzz company car to 100%. It is NOT my problem to solve.
No replacement for displacement
Plus v8 can be fuel efficient if not beat on and be very dependable over many miles. Not like the small turbo engines in large car and trucks.
@michaelhintz6187 Agreed 100% V8 or nothing, Alot of these Turbo engines (especially the overpriced EcoBoost trucks as well as the overpriced Hurricane Rams) aren't known for reliability at all and they cost you an arm and a leg when they break.
Inertia will hurt 'ya.
There's a reason Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space (and turbines pull off more power than a reciprocating piston can ever dream of).
Let's try to be honest here. Automakers are trying to market their way into convincing the public they want these cars.
There are two reasons they exist broadly:
1. Planned obsolescence and greater complexity and therefore more profit. Why more profit? Constituent parts are more complex and cost more to replace and fail more often. A hybrid has 2 powertrains versus 1. A hybrid automobile has 2.4 x's the part of complexity of either a pure EV or gas vehicle. Statistically, more complex machines fail at a higher rate. Every time a motor or controller or battery fails on a hybrid that doesn't exist on a gas car, automakers make more profit. Engineers that develop the technology, know when parts generally fail which is out of warranty based upon their production validation testing.
2. Second reason is CAFE. Automakers are rewarded for greater fuel economy and lower emissions. The ONLY reason automakers step up to make more complex automobiles which is more work for them is they are more rewarded in terms of profit for making vehicles that have a higher failure rate.
The American public is largely clueless about automotive technology. Automakers depend on the ignorance of the public to purchase more complicated cars...like hybrids... that are less reliable.
Excellent, but there is one more bonus for the manufacturers here. When you have an electronic module that gets used on one model for 2 or three years, by the time that car is 15 or 20 years old nobody will be making a replacement for the module.
I was recently horrified to see that the big Toyota's like the Land Cruiser now come with a 4-cylinder.
Yea, being in the market right now I was terribly disappointed in Toyota. Now looking at a big bronco.
I guess Toyota cannot fix "stupid" so they are taking advantage of that by trying to sell them a 4-cylinder Land Cruiser. Toyota does not realize that there is a small number of potential stupid customers!!! LOL
@@go4lowcost652the problem is you think its Toyota. When its really our government putting requirements on every manufacturer.
And it sounds like it's eating itself. Toyota could have made a decent sounding 4 banger. They chose not to. Hard pass.
Didn’t they start production with 4 cylinders back in the 70’s?
The real trouble with smaller engines is how hard they have to work, it means they wear out faster, maybe that's the idea, the real reason.
Screwed the pooch is common don’t let April make you feel weird
Yup. I’ve heard this saying for as long as I can remember.
I've never heard that expression in my life until watching this video
@@0Sled same. it must be more of a midwestern term.
@@evan.c43 definitely not just Midwest. I’m from the northeast and I’ve heard it since I was a little kid.
@@dipren443 I was born in Western Pennsylvania in the mid 60s and I never heard the term till this video. Amazing how sayings vary from place to place. Of course most people can’t speak Pittsburghese either. 😂
I mentioned awhile back, manufacturers need to speak up against asinine regulations rather than silently comply.
I think the last time I mentioned this was as recently as the new WRX STi coming with a CVT transmission.... which is peak stupidity.
I'm glad they're starting to find their balls to speak up. Should've been done years ago but better late than never.
It’s unbelievable to me that they put that pos cvt transmission in their top performance auto!!
@@stevenhampton8417 Yup, it's such a crazy decision that makes you wonder how it was ever OK'd at Subaru. No one at the company thought it was a bad idea or were they just not allowed to complain? Either way, let's hope for some change. :)
That's why I love Akio Toyoda.
You say speak up to regulations ... but there are no electric car mandates ... there are Cafe MPG regulations and this is the way the manufacturers decided to go ... because they don't understand their customers
Oh some of us guys care very much about the color.....i want red, and the right powertrain...
Four cylinder hybrid = complex!
unfixable.
F1 uses a turbo charged V6 with hybrid boost, not a wheezy four banger. Mercedes is going down the tube, like most other European makers.
They have done a great job at removing emotion from cars, which are generally an emotional purchase. Great job!
Automakers are in a difficult position. EU has an aggressive time line to move to EV’s. Wall Street is putting money in EV manufacturers, not ICE manufacturers. Tesla is worth more than Ford and GM combined and should be worth 10% of Ford. EV’s do not have the must haves to move people from ICE. When they get to 10 min full charge, 300 to 400 mile range, cheap battery replacement, easy availability of chargers nationwide, and laws to prevent rolling coal vehicles icing chargers, then people will start moving to EV’s.
If the Wagoneer wasn’t hideous they may have sold more. April, please don’t use Hoovie’s expressions!😅
the D pillar up tick and the L long body to me it reminds me of a ducks back side wide fat
"F1" powertrain. Sure buddy, sure....
Car market is atrocious right now. Correction is in order.
The elephant in the room is that car makers are only making 4-cylinder hybrid "performance," vehicles...is that it would be the only way they'd be able to meet the ridiculous emissions regulations, which get more strict year-over-year.
This also is the reason why all cars are getting larger, because the emissions allowance is related to its track (total wheelbase LxW), the bigger the car, the more emissions allowed.
The EPA is actively working towards forcing standard ICEs out of the market via incremental regulation
Yes. Cars are made to make the government happy. Not the buyer.
I agree with the first and third point. The second only applies to America and explains why you don't get cars like the Toyota GR-Yaris. Who needs four cylinders ? 🙂
It's not emissions, it's fuel economy. Remember that our Fearless Leader Obama decreed that all cars must get 50 miles per gallon.
"Why even build it?" Seems to be the motto of the auto industry in 2025
April never heard that term? Surprising.
IDK if it's that surprising. She is isolated from the real world because of her looks and family influence and money. She's probably been that way since she was a child.
Judgy much, you boys? She's picking it up. Surprise, y'all: _That's life._
The movie "The Right Stuff" used that pooch phrase repeatedly. It was the new phrase I learned while watching it with my dad. Great movie BTW.
An American Classic!
An F1 car has a V6, so the C63 didn’t get F1 powertrain, plus an F1 engine costs a million dollars. If they did a C53 with the 443 hp inline 6 and just didn’t have a C63 that would have had less push back.
Nobody is buying a Mercedes Benz to drive a freaking 4 cilindros. If i want a 4 cilindros i buy a Mini Cooper or a Japanese car or something cheap
Car companies hates their userbase
What is a cilindros? Is that like cilantro?
I guess I’m really old since I can’t imagine someone belong unfamiliar with the phrase “screw the pooch.”
Give the People what they want. An affordable vehicle that moves the soul.
6:20 that saying is used here in Ontario, Canada as well
I own a 07 supercharged SL55 P30 AMG. It has 510 hp 530 ftlbs of torque it is a beast full stop. I love it. I also have a 2023 E450 Allterrain twin turbo in line 6 near hybrid…I love it and the battery eliminates any turbo lag BUT it is not a beast.
I live in U.K. and USA… I can see the appeal of small bore high tune engines. I have a GR Yaris with 3 cylinder/ 270 hp which is sublime and also have a Bronco Sport with 3 cylinder engine which is fine for going to Walmart and Target BUT BUT BUT… I still want big bore V8 or V6 / straight six’s so also have BMW M240i / McLaren 570 and a Ferrari Cali T. Biggest issue is trying to over sell performance cars with tin-pot power plants at crazy price points…
Makes you wonder what kinda real world market research is done before they put a vehicle into production. As Always, May God Bless you and yours! 😇
That black MB has a British Columbia plate 👍
CAFE standards is 50.4 MPG by 2031. No V8 can achieve this number therefore no new V8 will be made by 2030. People still can get V8's now but in a few years, there's no other choice than 4 cyl hybrid.
CAFE needs to go away permanently.
@@franciscodanconia4324 Trump may make that happen!
“CAFE” Gone Now !
BuBye CAFE…
Never gonna make that number.
The amount of executives that failed to read, plan and execute for the post-Covid economy is impressive. Across many industries, so many believed demand and price elasticity will remain the same.
Thanks for the schooling on “Screw the pooch”! We must educate the youth regarding cultural icons such as this.
GO back to the old school way of having 3/4 of your cars in your line up is what majority of working class can afford. $18,000 to 35,000 . Make profits on high volume. Then have 2 heavy hitters .
Just starting the video…spot on. The C63S was on the top of my buy list as a daily until the 4 cylinder was announced. How can Merc leadership be this disconnected. It’s crazy.
At least they didn’t try canned V8 sound
@ entirely agree! Piped in fake engine sounds…horrible! 😂
In the end the customer is the BOSS!
I’m from upstate NY and have heard of screwed the pooch, for as long as I can remember.
April is right on the mark with the Charger. It is fine that Stellantis wanted to make an electric car.....but call it something else. It's simple - WHY call it a Charger? and $70K? - not on your life
This show has really grown on me. April has a good sense of humor. Hoovie on the other hand... he screwed the pooch. Lol
Like a Bronco Sport with a 1.5L, 3 cylinder, turbo engine. Or a 2.3L, 4 cylinder, turbo in the larger Bronco. And we're all tired of color choices of black, silver, white and gray. We're tired of vehicles with fake exhaust tips. We're tired of vehicles with massive aircraft carrier-sized center consoles. We're tired of everything having to be a sport SUV that can carve corners like a razor blade on ice and do 0-60 faster than the speed of light.
Looking at the 6 cylinder Big Bronco as my next car. Was going to be a 4Runner but Toyota ruined that for me…
@@Kirkster131New 4runner is solid, the engine is reported on negatively but when you drive it it's a different story. Try it before that piece of junk bronco screws you over.
@@tacs25 Bronko will run circles around that junk Toyota. Toyota is circling the toilet bowl.
@@tacs25A 4 cylinder powering a ~4500 pound SUV and then trying to tow anything is going to be over stressed. It’s not like a ~2500 pound Hilux. And then driving fully loaded with gear and towing an open light weight trailer with two motorcycles for 6 or 8 hours a 4 cylinder is not going to cut it. I understand if all you are doing is getting groceries it is fine. It’s the U in SUV that worries me.
Car style and quality is gone!
2008-10 was the end of car styling ... look at the BMW'S grille ,lexus huge chin
MANY of the problems that car makers have are because of government INTERFERENCE AND REGULATIONS that serve no purpose but to make vehicles more expensive and horrible to drive.
Just for fun. Unlike NASCAR where at pit they throw a few gallons of gas in, spilling some on the car. F1 they have basically a fuel cell. No refills. The cars are small, made with exotic lightweight materials and smaller motors. 40 years ago Ford used a 4 cylinder in their compact Festiva(?) That was the same block they had been using in F1 cars. Yes a 4 banger. Works in a small, light subcompact. Not so much in a larger full dress sedan.
Stelantis needs to up their quality alot before people will want to buy their products, the crappy quality hurt them more the bad pricing in my opinion. If I'm going to spend 70k plus it better be Toyota reliable.
Great TH-cam couple and channel!
In short: “performance” is not the same as “experience.” I have no doubt that some of these smaller, turbo charged, supercharged, and/or hybridized engines make the cars go faster. But the thing is the sensation of speed is more important than speed itself, so long as you’re on the road and not the track. NO ONE is tracking these cars. We we buy an AMG product it’s not to go from traffic light to traffic light as quickly and as efficiently as possible… It’s to go AS FUN as possible. And that means the feel of a big engine, being loud, and building power. I’d much rather go from 0-60 in 4 seconds the stupid way then 0-60 in 3 seconds the best way. That’s what they’re missing the point of. It’s the exact same thing that Tesla drivers don’t understand.
I can't think of one 2024 or 2025 vehicle I would want as my daily. Too expensive, too complicated, and too much depreciation. I'm happy to stay in my 2016 F150 V8
Jeep has practically disappeared in the UK, they were everywhere years ago, only the hire car companies have the Fiat/Jeeps.
Why do I have a feeling a large number of used cars from the 2010s are going to go up in value in the next 5 or so years
I'll sit in a focus group all day long and give opinions to the automakers that will make the "smart set" that got them in this mess head for the fainting couches. Remember "the experts" have royally f'ed up everything they've touched for the past decade or more. No need to be shy about telling them how stupid they really are.
Thanks for sharing!
Like a 4cyl Mustang, am I right? wait, those are actually super popular. Even the wizard likes those.
Considering that I hear NOTHING about automotive industry news, I find this channel very informative! Keep up the good work!
Well, I'm suddenly glad to have kept my 03 Sl500.
Toyota just replaced the V6 in their Forerunners with a turbo four
That just raised the value of used Forerunners.
Same with many other makes.
Car manufacturers do not downsize from popular, profitable, high displacement powertrains because they hate car sales, revenue, and profit. They do so when Western governments commit to net zero emission goals and difficult to attain CAFE standards, and their boards are held ransom to ESG metrics. Tyler knows this. His audience know this.
Likely the Euro emissions and other restrictions are forcing mfgs to make smaller engines. V8s turn into v6’s and V6’s are turning into 4’s and turbo 4’s…
One thing April and Tyler are leaving out is California's "Advanced Clean Cars II" regulations. Which around a dozen states have adopted, so far. "States do not have any right to regulate vehicle emissions" -- that's the domain of the Federal Environmental Protection Agency. Though, California had vehicle emission standards before the EPA ever started even thinking about making some, so their regulations have been "grandfathered" in -- so California DOES have that right. And there is a small bit of California's regulations that allow them to "export" their rules to other states. And THAT is why other states can even make these regulations, period. But the fact remains that more than a dozen states WILL require that sales of new vehicles by 2023 MUST be "zero emission" vehicles. Which, at this point in technology, means "battery electric vehicles." That "100% sales of new vehicles by 2035" actually starts NEXT YEAR -- 2026 -- when 35% of new vehicles must be zero emission. That percentage goes up by 8% each year, until it reaches 100% in 2035. And THAT is why manufacturers have been producing battery electric vehicles, whether anyone wants to buy them, or not. GOVERNMENTS ARE REQUIRING THEM TO DO SO. Now, while the Federal government may relax vehicle emission rules, there is no reason to expect that these dozen or so states will do the same. And thus, with a decade left to go, these manufacturers need to figure out how to make these things, so they can sell to the biggest vehicle market in the US (California), and more.
With any luck, the ONE AND ONLY good thing TrumpleDumple might do for this country is relax emissions laws at a federal level and strip away the CARB bullshit. Auto manufacturers should step up in masse and flat out refuse to deal with their bullshit. If all manufacturers did this, there'd be nobody to buy vehicles from. Many of the electric companies don't build vehicles that can do work (trucks, vans etc) and many can't afford the expensive brand new EVs and would get very pissed, move, protest etc.
Yes, essentially California has a license to trash the Commerce Clause. We need to end California exceptionalism.
7:48 You all are missing the marketing bonanza with an all electric car called the “Charger”. It’s a no-brainer marketing hit.
The AMG C63 is really a C43
Did the Government get carried away with electric cars, absolutely. Does that mean they’re bad, absolutely not.
The mistake made by mandated electric vehicles before having a nationwide charging system was the straw that broke this camels back.
And I love my PHEV Wrangler.
the wood panel wagoneers look great in person, i assure you. that price is wild tho
Friend of mine has a new Jeep Wrangler at six months old and is having serious Oil leak issues. He’s been in a rental car provided under warranty. These new cars are just not as reliable as they used to be.
10:29 I had forgotten about those terrible Chevy commercials with the focus groups. THE WORST
Everyone wants an April Rose Get yours today 👍
Hoovie’s the guy in the SpongeBob episode in the magazine where SpongeBob says “a pool inside a pool? this guys got it all”
@@butcherrocker Flashing on a Big Bang Theory vignette. Professor Proton: "The blonde woman is really your girlfriend?". Leonard: "Yes". Professor Proton: "_You're_ the genius".
If you WANT an electric car... go for it!!! But do not force it down our throats.
For the city electric could be a good choice. Outside i would choose maybe for a hybrid. But it all depends how many miles you drive. All electric, all day could still be a good choice. (Charging at home.)
I’ve actually realized hybrid 4, and 6 cylinders are the way to. Sick of costing myself $100 in gas every time I want to open it up a few times on the way home
OMG the cavemen demand their V8s. “V8 = make car go vroom vroom, everything else = make car gay”
Thank you for talking about this, the federal government should have no place telling us what cards we should like and buy. Give us the best and most reliable technology.
The US Government seem to have been doing that for years. In the U.K. I work next to a Polestar and BYD dealer, while enthusiasts have had Nissan GT-Rs for decades.
I don't know how well the Cayman/Boxster sold to compared to the 911. I would suspect it had lower sales especially when they came out with the turbo 4's. The heart and sole of Porsche for so many years has been the flat six engines. Even worse than Mercedes, Porsche is jumping into the Sportscar EV pool. From the most current picture of the EV Cayman, I would say the looks remind me of a 2dr Taycan. I think car manufacturers could put some R& D into NA V8 engines, flat six engines etc. and bring them back. The EV thing is just not there yet. Unless you buy a tiny one you end up paying 60K for something you really want.
Cut the prices in half rather than the engines
you want to see a sales disaster? when that charger drops you havent seen nothing yet!
I have a Dodge Charger ... a 67 Charger!
I hate that I love this channel
700hp, 800tq and 40mpg in the c63 is the future of the combustion engine. They are just ahead of there time. Nobody likes where the future is headed 🤷
The Germans never understood the concept of quantity having a quality all its own.
I've owned Wranglers and Cherokees, currently have an XJ. The Wagoneer failed for a few reasons. First, it's ugly. It doesn't look good at any angle. Second, as you discussed, it was priced WAY too high. Third, Jeep (Stellantis) doesn't have the reputation for quality that would make a reasonable person think that spending $100k on a vehicle of theirs would be a good use of money.
I love how the president of AMG is like “just drive the car and you’ll see how good it is” when it drives like ass. The car is far too heavy which makes it both uncomfortable in daily driving and shit in the corners, the 4 popper is severely underpowered until the boost comes in and then it is very peaky, and the transmission never seems to pick the right gear. It’s a shitty car all around.
To change the subject for a second. The mid air last night in DC. Soon as they said it was from Wichita I first thought of the car You tubers in town, prayed no one was on it. Such a tragedy. April is the Lincoln transmission fixed?
My buddy just bought a grand wagoneer ($106,000 sticker) under two years old with 8000 miles for $65,000.
Baloney : men also pay much attention to color combinations
Quality is like today’s appliances they are designed to die and are totally dead in 8-10 years. Yet there are fridges and freezers from the 50ies and 60ies still out there keeping beers cold and deer meat frozen. Good American quality that somehow can’t be replicated today.
There are 6 million people living in Denmark, and our cars are almost all 4-cylinder cars, and many are hybrids. 8 and 6 cylinders are very rare. The reason is that our government has some climate goals that will make you in America throw up. Our cars are taxed so heavily in owner tax if they don't drive far Per kilometer / miles. At the same time, the car is taxed 180% in registration tax to the state, which makes V8 and V6 cars very rare. Electric cars are gaining ground here because they are tax-free until 2025 and emit 0% co2 and are only moderately taxed in owner tax compared to fossil cars.
10::00 Thats like when i fill my truck up it makes the gas tank get smaller... Oh wait that doesn't happen. 😂
the strange thing to me about the new Charger EV, have not seen one in person, but from photos, it is way better looking than its four door gasoline predecessor.
Even if it was a 6.3 liter 4 banger with a turbo it wouldn’t sell well.Screw governments telling what we want cause we don’t want this crap.
The Subaru was NEVER meant to be make money. It;s there to say that they tried to meet CARB and nobody wanted it.
2:58 a hybrid turbo 4 may be quicker on a track but can't provide the everyday enjoyment of a V8 burble
Nobody wants cars that are too complicated to fix, which is to say ALL of them these days. At $150/hour, even a simple job with a cheap component cost $500. It is sickening how much cars cost both to buy and repair - people are going to be forced to buy older cars and a big set of tools and hope for the best they can fix whatever breaks. Why don't the car manufacturers simplify their offerings? They're pricing themselves out of customers.
The Ford bronco is the same Brilliant concept but priced out of buyers zone.
Two weeks past the inauguration, how long do you hold these videos, bro?
My 2016 AMG GTS has been called the "German Viper" because it's an absolute beast. The new C63 AMG is a neutered POS.
Maybe Tyler can get a C63 AMG for in the 40k range soon to go with his Tesla.