Understanding Loudness
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- LUFS are a way of measuring loudness in your audio production.
Let's find out why they're important.
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I love it when you go all professor on us. Seriously, please do this anytime you want to.
This is reference quality
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I think you mean "I LUF it when you go all professor on us"
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J Corbett trueee
nice! lots of good info!
Lufs love you too, Andrew
have you been hit by an uninsured driver?
two of my favorite youtubers... this is awesome.
hes secretly like fuck off whyd u gotta tell em all
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I learned a lot today. Thank you for making these kinda videos, you make music production feel less crypric and more like magic, both at the same time.
This video is a bit misleading.
you could have a mix that is totally overcompressed and still hit your -14 lufs target by adjusting the output level of your compressor/limiter.
This is because there are generally 3 types of lufs meters, momentary, short term and integrated (though terminology may bary by manufacturer) some meters will also give you a range which is typically the difference between momentary and short term loudness.
Momentary acts like a traditional dbfs peak meter, short term acts like a dbVU meter (rms), integrated is the average of the entire length of the program or the duration of program which youve fed into the meter. Range measurements will give you a sense of how much louder your transient peaks are than your sustained content. And depending on the timescale youve chosen for short term and integrated the difference between quiet and loud sections of the program.
Typically, if you were say mixing for a -24 lufs target, you would want to mix the track so that the integrated loudness is -24, the problem with only looking at integrated lufs is you could have an extremely quiet program with a few loud bursts that make the average -24, or a program that is hard limited at -24 and have no dynamic range at all. You have to pay attention to your momentary and short term meters to really know whats going on.
If there is little difference between short term and momentary than your audio is extremely compressed, and difference between them and your integrated loudness would only be from differences in loudness between song sections.
There isnt a hard and fast rule for this all but a good thing to look for would be that your maximum momentary lifs level is +3, maybe +6 (or more if the music is extremely dynamic) over your short term lufs.
Basically momentary lufs is the same as peak with a different calibration, short term is rms, integrated is average of the whole song. Rms is almost the same as VU same as short term lufs.
If youre hitting a target of -24rms, 0dbvu, or -24 short term lufs, dipping a couple on quiet sections, maybe going over a little at the climaxes, while seeing numbers on your peak/momentary lufs which are quite a few lufs higher, chances are your mix isnt overcompressed and all of your tracks will have the same consistency of volume.
If you want it turbo squashed get momentary, short term and integrated to be pretty much all the same reading.
Good info
As an amateur/hobbyist, I’d never even heard of LUFS. Fantastic knowledge to share, thanks so much!
Homie, I have my EP all mixed and was like, time really get into mastering and this was just waiting for me when i got here.
This is a just a long convoluted way of me trying to say thanks for posting this :)
More! Of! This! PLEASE!! This is really wonderful content and I learned a lot!
This is great information!!! Everybody should see this video!!! I'm just a listener, but I've been fighting the loudness wars for a long time now. You mention that you master for streaming services at -13 or -14 LUFS, which is great. But I still buy CDs, and they are still being mastered to 0 LUFS (apparently), still super compressed. That's why I switched back to vinyl, because it's not as compressed. I hope engineers would just master to -14 LUFS across all media (streaming, CDs, vinyl) and give us the best sounding version!!!
Holy shit that's the reason people prefer vinyl!?
Thanks to this guys video and your anecdote, I now understand where audio people are coming from.
The music sounds more dynamic and it doesn't fuck up everyone's ears!
Good stuff! 💎
i never got to understand lufs but now i do thank you very much sir
I luf this video! Amazing research and information here. I guess most people must think "why do I care, I only want to make music" but this is super useful information. Thanks for taking the time and putting this together! It may never reach a million views (I hope I'm wrong) but people that do care will relish it.
Excellent 👍now for a tut on LUTS
Great Video here... Would love to see more... more on this subject.
This is some game-changing information. I've always wondered why my mixes always sound quieter on streaming services and now I'm almost certain that it is because I am mixing too loud (I've been mixing at about -10 to -8 LUFS). Thank you for making this video
You'll find different genres are mixed to different lufs so treat this as a guide at best!
Wow, this was wildly helpful for me. It’s so hard to find mastering information that’s clearly put together like this!
I've actually been learning these terms and ways of measuring sound at work, fun that you bring it up around the same time.
Awesome and useful video. Thanks Jeremy ! Subscribed 👍🏻
Well done, sir. Easy to follow, and really liked the recap that you did at the end. I learned about LUFs today and for that I am grateful. Well edited video too. Thumbs up
Awesome video!! thank u for linking the free option for LUFS meter. Izotope would be nice but not until a couple paydays from now hahah
Great explanation of the LUFS situation
This is so absolutely wonderful. Thanks tons for sharing!
This is an important video. Thank you Jeremy!
Excellent breakdown of an easily misunderstood concept. Thanks so much.
wow this cleared up so much stuff that i've been confused about recently
Great video. Thanks!
Thanks dude!, super practical and useful
YAAS Jeremy I luf your informational content! I'd love to see your mixing workflow in the future! :D
Thank you for spreading LUFS and awareness!
Hello Jeremy!, please!!! tutorial done by you about OZONE 8, Thank you!!!
Well done!
Now I'm off to go hunt down some LUFS. I hope that I have more luck than that time I went hunting for Snipes. My friends had a great time, but I didn't find anything...
Thanks very much for this, I've been trying to find more info on LUFS and you nailed it. Cheers!
Thank you Sir !!!!!
I like to work with the free MLoudnessAnalyzer from Melda Productions. It displays everything I need when I work with music. The YouLean meter is also great, but the histogram (and LRA) is only needed when mixing movies/films, etc. The tool from Melda shows everything I need in a musical context. And you can set your own LUFS target. It is a really flexible tool. And it's for free!
Great video. A possibly confusing subject very simply put! Great work as always.
You’re so awesome Jeremy.
Excellent vid
It's not necessarily true that a higher sample rate creates more "fidelity", just more room for higher frequencies. But we can't hear them anyway so it doesn't really matter. Higher bitrate does give you more dynamic range for volume but really CD bitrate is good enough for almost everything in my opinion. Apart from that I really liked the video!
Amazing video as always
Really informative, thank you!!
great vid !
Lufly jufflee. Will implement tomorrow.
Mastering confuses me so much. Some guides tell you to follow a very strict rule set of keeping all your sounds at certain db‘s and then other producers say don’t stick to a rule set just make everything sound right. So I stopped following any rules and just did everything by ear and now my tracks sound better than before but I’m still not doing something right. My tracks sound decent through my headphones and monitors but when I check them on my friends beats or in my car they sound terrible 😂
I never knew about this. Thank you so much for this video! It was greatly informative!
Great video and amazing content, keep it up!!!!!
wow, never heard of some of this info. thanks! Love the channel.
Lots of luf for this Channel!
Really loved this. It was extremely informative, thanks.
Thanks for this info!!
Thank you for information
Great video. Thank u sir
Thank you!
Thanks a lot Jeremy! Now I have a loudness question for you. It's a little weird but I suppose it makes sense for youtubers who make music content.
First the example:
Video 1: Someone speaking about 3 minutes, after that a 3 minutes techno live jam.
Video 2: A 3 minutes techno live jam (no speaking).
Video 3: Another live jam, now a soft ambient drone like, about 15 minutes and a final talk of about 1 minute.
Now the question:
If you mastered all 3 vídeos at he same target loudness (-13LUFS), the live jam part in video 1 will sound louder than video 2 and the speaking part in video 3 will sound louder than the speaking part in video 1... How do you manage that to find a loudness sweet spot avoiding the TH-cam loudness auto-correction and the consequent chaos?
I hope this question will be usefull for others, maybe I've missed something and it's easier than I think... Anyway, thank you for your time!!
Luf your Channel!! 😜
If the levels are off for the different videos, your problem is in the mixing (initial levels for the different - parts of the - videos).
Thank you that was very helpful
Jeremy - Thanks a lot for this very informative video!
So what does it mean if my target loudness is -14 LUFS for instance? Is -14 LUFS the peak LUFS during my whole track, or is it the average of all my track?
And on another note, I believe LUFS is also a measurement of Decibels, i.e -14 LUFS is actually -14 dB LUFS, and the dB scale in your DAW is actually dB VU, while loudness in the "physical" realm is dB SPL. LUFS is just a different kind of dB. :-)
I see patch cables but I never saw an eurorack modular video from you Jeremy, can we have some? pleeeeeeaasseee? it would be really aweomse. Nice vid btw.
Thanks, I luf it.
I like that ur put ur crystal in ur video man
Very helpful!
Bro that was so informative thank you. I even went to school for this and I didn't know about the "K" part or the BS.1770. awesome awesome awesome
So do I match the LUF to -14 to the overall master track or each track, i.e Dialogue, Music, etc.
Open a radio station. I wanna hear your voice 24/7
Thanks man. Good Shit!
Does include SoundCloud??
I approve of this video
Dug this video. Edit for a podcast that I'm on so this is great information!
what span of times is LUFS measured over though? I heard someone say 300 ms. Or is it just an average over the duration of the song?
There are different time values. I use integrated.
Thanks a lot this is rly helpful
Nada for FCPX, huh? Whadda ‘bout Logic Pro?
Root Means Recording?
Red Mean Square?
If you're analog recording and mastering, would you be able to use the tc electronics meter?
Yeah. It has an optical or spidf in
legendary
Always make TaleSpin louder.
What i don’t get is how Skrillex’ latest track (Fiji opener, I think) for which he showed his session in Live is -4 LUFS int...
It's -6 and yeah. EDM tends to get mastered really hot.
Red Means Recording Insight shows -4 integrated on his screen in the project, so yeah - really hot. Maybe this is so hot that streaming services think that it’s not worth dealing with it...😄
Omg I’ve felt like I was fluffing around on this issue for ages and suddenly someone turned on a light.
Tailspin! You get a like :-D
Look... I'm not done compressing until the mix is one long fettuccine noodle.
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Oh my god, you single handedly just saved my new album, holy shit. No wonder why it sounds so wrong on my own speakers, I totally killed the dynamics in the studio. I can't thank you enough
You sure it’s not the songs itself? HAAAAAAAAA
I kid I kid
"I hope you bring LUFS into your life."
Are you saying we should LIVE, LAUGH, LUFS???
Come on, you didn’t wish us a LUFly day? It was right there!
I've been mastering my own stuff for the past year now and diving so deep, and you've just dropped my entire year's education into 11 minutes, plus the true peak thing I had no clue on! This is a damn good video and I'd LUF to see more of these
I can't recommend Youlean Loudness Meter enough. The developer is always adding new features and open to suggestions too. As well as measuring loudness, it also measures dynamic range (PSR), so you can easily see on the graph if any parts are being over-compressed.
Great video, very thorough explanation and well said!
Quick tip: go to loudness penalty (just look it up) and their service will tell you how your master will react to the normalization that TH-cam, Spotify, etc. apply. It's been pretty helpful to me.
Amazing! Love your videos, keep it up 👍
You`ve explained this better than I learned it in college
Can you PLEASEEE, do a mastering video. Watching this video made me realize a LOT of problems I have with my production. If you did an in depth video on the basics of mastering, like what the track needs to be before mastering and then how to master correctly it would be a HUGEEE help
Wow thank you so much! This is all incredibly helpful information which I now understand. Bingo! I have a question: One thing I really struggle with is what level to have a sound-bed music underneath narration. Currently I just wing it by ear, but get into bad brain loops where I question my perception over and over again. Is there a cool rule of thumb I could use sensei?
That's really up to you. I struggle with it at well. I try listening on a few different monitoring situations (big speakers, headphones, small speakers) to make sure ive gotten it right. I have a system that lets me switch between them pretty easily so that helps.
@@RedMeansRecording Cool, thanks! I'll try that!
@@domainofscience I have very little knowledge and have only just started to understand this stuff, thanks to this vid, I have been performing noise sets, with edits, for years, many having Spoken word, I only mix them down and master using Db, until now. However, I would go with what my pro mates and Mr Red has said above, listen in a couple of sets of cans, and a couple of sets of speakers, and on your car stereo as well. It may be technically perfect but will it sound good on all reproduction devices. I play on different PA setups and they always sound good.
Hope it's cool that you are basically becoming my music teacher.
Excellent video! I've been using Youlean for about a year now and it's super helpful! Bought the pro version of it couple of months back to support them.
LUFS is in the air …
… for quite a while on “The Mastering Show“ podcast from Ian Shepherd (Production Advice, th-cam.com/users/masteringmediavideos).
that dolphin😂😂😂
Really good video in general. Put please... use the correct term 'dBFS'.
This is possibly the single most useful youtube video I've ever seen. And I previously used youtube to learn how to tile for my bathroom renovation.
Read means LUFS
We it be to much to ask, if you make a video regarding the parameters and usage of most audio plugins in OZONE 8? (as ive seen it pop up a few times in this)
I was expecting to see many things today but a beluga whale meme I made 3 years ago in a rmr video was not one of them.
That's actually pretty cool lol
@@dethswurl117 yeah I didn't even register until like a minute later I was just like "wait a sec hold up I made that". Super weird moment but it's cool to think that even in a miniscule way I contributed to this video lol
The loudness wars ended? Is it safe to come out? WAAAAAAAHHHH nope still happening I'm going back inside.
The fucking Dolphin saying'Fuuuuuuck!" was hilarious!
super fucking informative. I love your channel. damnit.
Good tips on why to keep the lufs etc. at the right levels for the right platforms but i honestly just disagree about the loudness wars from your perspective.
Unless you're actually making music that "requires" a lot of dynamic range, i dont see any reason to stay away from compressors and limiters.
Current lossless audio has way more dynamic range than you can even hear. This is like Audiophiles claiming they can hear above 22khz and that vinyls sound cleaner. its all placebo.
Unless youre making classical music or literal ambient background music ( but if its background.. then you also dont need the dynamic range to be very high so what gives?), dont be afraid to use limiters and compresssors as long as you dont go too far and your whole track is just squarewaves.
What target loudness should I chose when recording vinyl ?