Patreon EXCLUSIVE | Hakuna Matata Part 1 | The Joe Budden Podcast
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Things get interesting on this Patreon exclusive! Joe questions Ish on why he showed up late to the pod, Ish and Joe debate the terms of Ish's contract with the JBN + MORE!
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Joe's issue is, he thinks he is smarter than he really is. Ish cooked him. LOVED seeing it!
47:37 we had a president elected for the sole reason of NOT having experience, and now Joe is conflating experience with position.
if i was his representation, i’d advise him to STOP talking. cause the more he does…..the worse the legality of his contracts sound lmao 😂
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SCREAMING FROM MOUNTAIN TOP FACTS!!!!!!!!! He was hotter than fish grease! I love Joe but he was dead wrong. Very insulting!!!!
Joe is bullshyt!!!!
Y’all do know this is why he brung ish on , they’ve had these fights forever , Joe do be wrong but,sometimes he’s arguing with ish for entertainment purposes he knows this is gonna happen.
Ish was 1000% right, Joe literally didn’t answer one question.
Facts. It’s not even close
I totally understand why Rory and Mail left on a whole new level.
Ish and Ice literally saved this show. They showed up when Rory and Mal were on strike and been riding with Joe ever since even when things were mad awkward. Joe should respect them more.
"you don't owe your friends respect".
Joe only respects Joe
@@mbarry7404 you beat me to it! Joe is really a POS but luckily for him he's entertaining to listen to 😅
As someone who was a fan of joe since early. You guys are bigger d riders then the weirdos that came to bb kings to cry to all of me 😂😂😂😂
Joe could replace them tomorrow and the quality of the show wouldn't change Joe is the main draw he knows how to have interesting conversations. Without Joe ish ice and parks would not move the needle even a little bit. Facts
This clause should forever be known as Rory&Mal clause in the pod industry✔
This shit is damn near case law at this point
That’s nasty
But they didn’t quit. Joe fired them on air
Ah! I see you're familiar with Math Hoffa podcast as well😆😆😂
You might be on to something lol
The way Joe weaponizes not being able to understand is incredible. He's a dancing ass. Not to mention he just sat down with Math and told them they were wrong for doing exactly what he trying to do to ish now. I'm with ish.
Master Gaslighter lmaooooo
@@YThis114 EXACTLY it's just that lol
A wise man once said. That's crazy
@@AverageTrackRat legendary comment
@@YThis114 i wish he realized how see thru it all is. i cant imagine all the women he has mentally abused with his crazy ass gaslighting. He thinks hes so clever by changing the topic or purposely misquoting people. shit honestly stopped being entertaining when he fucked over his homies
Naw this episode is GOLDEN!!!! Ish is EXACTLY what Joe needs. He speaks the real and challenges Joe and put him on the ropes! Perfect execution when he speaks. Props to Joe for the fast responds even tho he may be wrong 😂
Adding Ish to this podcast was the ego check that Joe needs at times
You are a huge d rider 😂 because mal and rory would tell him straight up he was wrong. He just does the same shit to everyone.
Great Build they good with they ish talking... buggin word up
Ish really washed Joe in the debate and was well spoken until he got amped in the end .
I applaud you guys for being transparent and tackling the tough conversation.
2 lions ….. no lambs 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
ISH is really aware of his worth - on and off the show
ISH IS A REAL FRIEND NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK HIS MIND DEFINITION OF A BOSS
That’s what’s being slept on
yeah i love him for that
It crushes me when Joe gets like this. Ish was extra well spoken the entire time. He made perfect sense. Joe got on some Matrix dodge shit. It's damn near embarrassing
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He sure does know how to Fucc up a good thing don’t he lol
Lol facts
This is, no pun intended, regular Joe
Always
Joe making an absolute fool of himself is the type of content I'm actually here for.
I love that Ish is willing to fight Joe (verbally) like someone who doesn’t need him, and I love that Joe has enough ego to allow someone he’s paying to engage him like an equal (as opposed to boss / employee dynamic). Great content!
Ish 100% correct.
No, he's not.
No… he’s not 100% right but he has points
Joe is finally speaking to people who've worked real jobs in the real world and not entertainers
Facts‼️
Bro when will he give us another stimulus check
Joe saying your not worth resetting the market for and the number is up
🎯
Wow. Unbelievable episode. I'm so glad they released this. This is the conversation that the old cast should have. It seems like Joe has grown in ish is the perfect Challenger. Love this pod and shout out to the old cast as well, nothing but prayers and blessings to all🙏🏽
"You sound like a label" is one of the biggest facts ever heard in this pod.
Joe can’t finesse Ish , Ish is smart lol 🤣
Joe argues with everyone like they're retarded strippers he's housing. His literal entire life.
Facts😂
He trying his hardest Joe a clown 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@ear2thestreets945 this a old patron episode
@@headshotjones7726 I don't care how old it was that s*** was some clown s***
Ish the only one that’s not afraid of joe, he got his own bag , I’m rocking with ish whatever happens
They’re one in the same, don’t get it fucked up
Ish knows the real Joe and knows how to play his games 💯
Ice not scared, Parks 💯 scared.
Joe is the king of moving the goal post 🤣😂🤣😂 ISH killed that argument 💯
I love how Joe ADDED “entry level” to the argument - then contradicts that by saying he pays more than any other entry level position at a company.. but missed the fact that ANYONE can willfully quit their ENTRY level position without recourse. He’s alllll over the place just to be right and so wrong lol
Ice made the great point that there are employees making less with less responsibilities which makes them entry level. Not having prior experience does not make it entry level. Joe didn’t get that.
@@nancyadane1818 exactly lol. Joe isn’t able to split work experience, and hierarchies. There’s CEO’s that have no prior experience in a specific industry, that get headhunted by Fortune 500 companies cause of what they’ve done In different areas. Literally 0 experience in that industry, and being CEO is as far as you can be from an entry level position in a business.
We’ve never seen a man move goal posts like Joseph Anthony Budden II. Special talent
This is the comment right here. This is the one!!!
lol word
Makes me hate and love the show lol
I am DYING laughing at this 🤣🤣🤣
I can't believe they put this up. It's golden. I really hope Joe handles Ish correctly. It's looking scary because Ish is very aware of his worth and Joe is uncomfortable with it.
Agreed, Joe clearly didn’t learn the lesson.
Bingo
You just dropped a bar.
Worth in Joe system
@@vonniev0n I was going to say the same. These mf are random guest to us. This is their first pod
Ish is bane LMAOOO ‘this is where I THRIVE’
“And I gotta fill my pockets” 🤣💯
Joe got his muffins sliced up in this discussion. I understand he wanted to protect himself because of what happen but in this case ish is 1000 percent right
Ish is Right on paper. But Joe is right in the sense that most companies paying the amount hes paying wont modify the contract & the clauses in place are non-negotiable. So essentially Ish's only recourse is to ask for more money cuz that part of the contract can be modified but not the legal bylaws in place to protect the business. I JUST WISH JOE KNEW HOW TO ARTICULATE HIS POINT WITHOUT USING EXAMPLES THAT BELITTLE/DEMEAN ISH'S VALUE!
No he's not lol
@@DonCurlyOny Joe didn't diminish ish's value. Joe held back in letting Ish know his role as a beginner podcaster. Ish got upset because he feels he's not a entry level podder, which he is. So the demands he's asking for shouldn't be awarded to someone who just entered the field.
Ish was right
@@broabc66 ish isn't an entry level podder lol. Ish has been the life of the pod for a lot of us. His ability defaults him out of being entry level
Ish and Ice have taken the podcast to a whole new level in my opinion. The views are more thoughtful the music deep dives are more articulate. The vibe in general feels so much better. Joe don't mess this up bro.
I agree but i do miss Rory’s music takes and sleepers
They didn’t bring it to another level now they just dance around and this is probably the only time when they’re entertaining talking about Rory and mal basically pretty sad
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You think you can fire someone without notice but they can't quit without notice JOE you're killing me
Ohhhhh boiiiii joe got absolutely cooooked this segment
This podcast is the best example for why "friends" and business should NEVER be combined, thanks for the life lesson 👍🏽
i was thinking the saaaaaame thing.
Yeah, when I was young, I thought that I could get money with my family or friends but I’ve quickly grown to learn it will NEVER work.
No. This is the example of how to manage friends & business. It can work, just be grown about it.
if your friends are like joe then u shouldnt combine
But you can the problem is whom you get in business with cause all your friends & family aren't good in business
If I was Ish, this conversation would make me understand why people say Joe is not a good business man. Joe is the master at gaslighting! LOL
Yes. The whole time i was thinking Joe is gaslighting the shit out of Ish!
@@chanelcummings9480 Yesss!! LOL. Luckily Ish knows that and was holding his own, which frustrated Joe even more. Nothing about Joe's argument made sense. It doesn't matter how much money Joe is paying him, Ish still has the right to protect his lifestyle. Plus, the way Joe keeps mentioning that Ish is late coming to work on the Pod, it makes me think "yeah, this isn't going to last too much longer". LOL
Joe is the definition of GASLIGHTING! Look the word up in the dictionary, you’ll see Joe’s face lol
Ish is truly amazing. Always holds Joe accountable 💪🏾
This might be the episode that gets me to pay for the patreon! 😂
That cut from light to dark was WILD 😂
Mannn i didn't even notice that. Lol I had to go back after seeing this comment and it happened around 9:40 shit looks mad awkward when they cut back. Ice does his fake laugh when shit gets uneasy and Joe drops a corny joke to break the silence. Something definitely happened 🤷🏽♂️
Im glad someone noticed
@@BaldwinFanonGarveyTureShakurX No it didn’t. This is a 3hr pod. They did some editing.
@@beng8262 Lol 3 Hours won't cut it if you know anything about natural light. It went from high noon to pitch black. No golden hour, blue hour, nothing? 🤣 Sure they may film 6 or 7 hours and cut takes... We'll never know 🤷🏽♂️
The episode was 3 hours long. They took a chunk from the beginning and a chunk from the end.
Joe really out here giving out 90s bad boy contracts 😂😂😂
Joe giving Ruthless Records contracts 😂😂😂😂
Lmao
Jerry Budden aka
Joe heller 😂
Dope content! These talks amongst friends can get uncomfortable but necesary sometimes in business. Transparency always keeps the business afloat.
“You not minimizing me” - ISH
💯💯💯 46:41
TEN TOES DOWN.
Rory and Mal forming an acoupe is hilarious 🤣🤣
ACOUPE BOYS
It’s true
A coupe is crazy wild 😂😂😂
They gave him the word and he still said it wrong 😂😂
They did
Joe gives the perfect balance of “damn that guys a genius” and “nigga wtf is you talking about” 😂
A "Brilliant Idiot." If you of the culture you will understand why this is really a BAR😂😂😂
Yup a whole bar.
Ish baked up a pallet of assorted 1,000-piece hot n fresh muffins. Cracked! Lol
“A look up entry level” lmao my dawg Joe be trying to find every way to escape that corner
Agree with ish 100% on the contract. Joe could walk in tomorrow and say Spotify offered me a solo show deal making 100 million dollars. They would have to eat it and go back to their previous lives. If they made sacrifices, turned down gigs or quit jobs to be here, there should be compensation. The co host have more to lose than Joe does. We've already seen that all it takes is 2 more people who can talk to keep the ball rolling for joe.
The difference between this job and other high paying jobs is if I’m a great lawyer and get fired another firm will higher me and probably pay me exactly what my previous firm did. Ish can only get the money he’s getting paid from Joe. He’s negotiating against himself. Real jobs that’s usually not the case if you’re talented.
If I work 2 jobs….1 at Burger King and the other at Marshall’s…does Burger King have to modify their contract because of that?
It’s his creation and company and he created podcast before everyone including joe rogan
The business owner takes disproportionate risk at multiple levels which co creators can't compare with. Apart from being a business owner Joe is also the creative head of the gig as well as co creator as well as cutting deals and much more, so no, the co hosts business risk don't compare at all
You’ll only thinking as the employee.
Joe acting like he works for the attorney 😂😂😂
The joe smoke break had me dead af😂😂
I remember Rory and mal saying that joe did this when they ask for the stats 😂😂😂
Ish learning from the Rory and Mal situation ✊🏾
This ain’t about them at all. This about Joe needing Ish which makes Ish an asset, who has liabilities.
Kap. Ish just knows wtf he talking abt this should show you Ish would’ve never got done like R&M Foh. 😂
@@four1ne exactly 😂
@FOUR1NE 4ALL well all these people think Joe is their friend. So they can't help they thought this man would look out for em.
Best pod ever. The real life arguments between friends was so real and genuine. Dope shit glad u released this.
Been waiting on this since the clip dropped
Why Joe dont have his real pods like this. The pods he upload to youtube be average or trash sometimes. The 3 paetron clips i watched all have been fire. I might be willing to pay now..
Yeah they need more dicussions like this no lie. And ish did put that up for real.
It’s all fun and games until it ends like what happened on the No Jumper podcast 😂
@@MoeDavinci lol. Adam let’s his cohost do whatever they want . Start competing pods etc
This pod is fire , these two brother’s are real men and they love each other that why it is only here on the JPB that contracts disagreements are openly talked about, Joe has nothing to hide he put this out so mature and brave .Shoutout to Ish for standing up for himself.
Ahhhh I’m loving all the Catch Up I’m Doing On This Podcast. Definitely My Fav Pod Right Now. I try and go back to watch a Seasoned Episode Everyday.💙🤗
Joe: You have the ability to quit when you want. There’s no recourse
Ish: So take it out of the contract
Joe: Hell no
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
"Put it in the contract. "
😂
I feel sorry 4 niggas joe in contract with lol
Joe got his ass buss 😂😂
Sums it up perfectly!!!
Joe knows he is wrong that's why he keeps interuppting and leaving. Needing this kind of control of people he says he loves is what makes them resent him. Yes they are operating in a professional capacity but fairness is critical for optimal performance in any industry.
which boss sits around with all of their employees discussing their contracts
Joe is making Rory and Mail look more right 😂😂😂😂😂
You dont think he making them look dumb for accepting terms and yelling after instead of beforw?
This was epic.. love the JBP
Out of all of the statements Ish said, the one statement that sums it up is when he said "You not minimizing me" HEARD YOU!!!! 💪🏾
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That was powerful and that’s how I always negotiate my packages. I need something as soon as I signed the docs and then we will move on what I need monthly and if I don’t get what I need I leave
@@dylonvr9595 It was definitely powerful!
This podcast is a great example of why it’s so tough to mix business and friendship. Joe is doing everything right from a professional standpoint but by admitting the contracts aren’t binding because of the friendship he’s causing unnecessary confusion. Ish brings up a great question… if I’m protected on a personal level why wouldn’t you protect me on a professional level?
Great talk fellas
You literally hit this on the nail
It’s tough for sure . But Joe purposely makes it complicated lol
Because hes already paying him at friend rates
@@BkuBrown facts!! Lol
Aye! For anyone who reads this… if you do business with a friend and the contract protects them and not you and then the friend says “I would never do that bc we’re friends” RUN!
JOE is the man for posting this ! Easily could’ve tucked this
"THIS IS WHERE I THRIVE" 😂
EPIC ISH!
Joe shifting his body when Ish starting getting on his behind is hilarious 😂
I love this type of energy and talk between men. Get it all out in the open, forget the middle man.
Man This Episode Only Makes Me Appreciate Ish & Highlights His Contribution To The Pod 1000x
This is one of the best episodes in JBP history
😂 as a member we been seen this lol 😩 enjoy its iiight lol
See unlike Rory and Mal, Ish got all of his bases covered, he’s a business owner himself so he understands incentive.
orrr Ish has the benefit of hindsight. He was able to have front seat to the dissolution of that partnership. So now he knows how to protect himself when Joe does what Joe does best. 🤷🏿♀️
@@tarheelmami
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@@tarheelmami both can be true. This is why you negotiate.
Rory and mal didn't think they needed to do certain things because they're relationship
That’s hate!
Joe was kicking some real serious bullshit on here shit was comical 😭
53:18 is what I was happy to see after all the talk. They still friends and I hope they keep it that way, with or without them doing pod together. Just stay friends don't ruin relationships 🙂
Joe should be grateful that Ish and Ice even stepped up to help him when ours left. Ish is new in the pod world but that boy is a wizard with the words.
Joe is master manipulator. Ish asked him DIRECTLY 5 times “what protects me if I get fired from jbp”
Ish shut Joe's shit down.
Nothing protects him. Employers don't typically protect the employee in the event of a firing. That's what Unemployment Insurance is for. An employer might choose to offer a severance package of a couple months salary or something like that, but by no means is that the norm or an obligation.
@@WillieYams Following that parallel though, employees that lack all of those protections have the ability to quit when they want with the understanding that they'd be opting out of the few protections they may have been entitled to if they were fired instead. Budden can't have his cake and eat it too without getting this logical pushback from Ish.
@@OriginalBoondocksXVIII Not necessarily. It depends on their employment contract. An employer may require 2 weeks or some advance notice (that isn’t always just a courtesy). The employee may still choose to quit without notice but that breech may incur a penalty such as forfeiting a final paycheck or not being paid out sick days or annual leave, etc.
The point I’m trying to make is this clause is nowhere near as unusual as people are trying to make it sound, and it’s not foul at all. Joe has the right and obligation to protect his business interests. Ish has the right to negotiate, to not sign, or to accept that risk.
The dumbest part about this is that Ish said he was willing to take a reduced salary to have Joe leave that clause out; the reduction in his salary is likely to be equivalent to whatever penalty he might incur from breaching the clause.
Yo when Joe said, "IT'S UPPED" 😂
After watching g this I felt like “are mommy and daddy getting a divorce”😂😂😂
Joe literally never admits when he is wrong . When he seeing he just talks in circles
The fact that Joe is not willing to put it in writing on a contract is a huge red flag
No it’s not. Do we do this to the white man? Why when we try run a business we have to tweak everything. He almost lost it all
Joe better not let go of Ish because this guy is special, he’s the single reason I listen to the Pod these days.
Rory and Mal are having a good laugh right now.
Because a leopard can never change their spots
Joe never wants to be wrong lol
I mean who wants to be wrong lol
@@rayray1052mature people lmaoo life aint abt being right 100% of the time
"I got niggas outside smoking cigs, panicking!" -Ish 2022
Joe had to eat that, but I'm glad he got friends that he can have these conversations with and still be able to sit down and be amicable afterwards.
You can tell ish is a genuinely honest person.
This was a great segment.
ish *stays silent through joes story*
"can i expect the same thing from u joe"
joe: "sure"
ish *tells his side of the story*
joe: *makes a comment every 3 words*
“And I gotta fill my pockets” that one hit hard 😂 Joe got smoked on this one
Ish is so right here. Those of us in corporate America who have read those contracts have read "you can quit at will. You can be terminated at will" lol sooooooo an attorney some where agreed to it 😂 I'm also in Charlotte NC. NY may be different.
You got to respect the content of the jbp this was 🔥🔥🔥
The crazy thing with Joe which is actually pretty normal is that his opinion switches depending on what side of the coin hes on.
that’s true if he was in ish’s place he’ll feel the same way as ish. He feels that way towards labels having questionable things in their contract but when he takes the “label” role he doesn’t see nothing wrong with it
@@tayvalid bingo
1000% facts. When it's someone he don't like like a label it's "fuck them they shady" (no pun intended), but when it's him or someone he likes doing some questionable moves it's all good.
He a narcissist but its cool 😂
This is the scary truth.
Everyone else is thinking, “DAMN, I shouldn’t have signed the contract.”
Ish be on point but he can’t stand when Joe make a point back 😂😂😂 man these exclusives been a real gift , happy holidays to the guys and anybody reading this rn 🙏🏽🙏🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Seeing Joe yelling in the reflection of the glass is hilarious XD
Once you get through the yelling, this is a great conversation
He's lacked comprehension skills since at the very least, the start of his music career
stop hating without the yelling it’d be boring. look at ice and ish they don’t carry like joe, they need joe and you know that as well. we all do. 😂
@@xavierrussell7924 it’s not hate, most people can’t get passed yelling in normal conversations. The points both men made here are really good and worth a listen and to take notes on.
What Joe wanted to say when Ish said what protects him if he gets fired, is Friendship 😂
The power of friendship triumphs over all 😂
Lol dead. Friendship has no place in contracts
Mal thought so to
But he couldn’t use it cause friendship doesn’t stop Joe from doing what him lol
Joe a carebear, the power of friendship always wins 😂😂😂
Good on Joe for droppin this.
The emotions y’all get out if people during this pod is crazy! I be feeling awkward and I’m not even in there or in the conversation lol
Oh Joe actually let that episode out for the public🤣🤣🤣 mans was getting cooked, baked, grilled, every way you can cook something, that was Joe. Shoutout Chef Ish, the Gordon Ramsay of poddin.!!!
What I saw in this debate was that JB wants his friends and fellow podcasters to feel trust in him,but it’s really a control thing.JB wants to control the narrative and be able to say how well and fair he was and not allow a legally binding agreement to hold him to an accountable situation that could occur.
Basically lol!!!
Aka narcissism lol
Yup. He is hella wrong in this. I wouldn’t sign that either Ish.
He wants to control the business that he owns and his liable for not “the narrative “
Joe’s the best dancer I’ve ever seen, it’s honestly amazing.
It's a contract for a reason regardless of Joe saying "He's not going to sue".. If you're not going to sue, take it out the contract; kudo Ish.
“This is where I thrive ,This ni**a cant compete with me here”!! That should be a drop on the pod 😂😂😂😂
Don’t give in Ish. Workers right is a thing for a reason. It’s kinda an example of Joe living long enough to see himself turn into a villain 😂.
They are both right, in some way. There should be an agreement on how much notice is required to quit/fire. Joe is correct as well, I’m paying you very well for something you knew nothing about, so you can either take less or agree to the terms. No one else would hire him with no experience and pay him what it seems like he’s getting paid there. The pay was good enough for him to cut back at his own business. Great POD ! Hope they work it out. I love both Ice and Ish!
Joe's stubbornness really showed this episode. Ish cracked his muffins something crazy
I know damn well joe didn’t move the goal post to entry level with the conversation Ish has brought to this Pod Ish came in here and brought the heat he’s a dad he’s older interracial dating but pro black home ownership etc he brings so much to the table and he’s informing all staff during this episode on how to legally protect themselves 🙌🏾👌🏾🗣️ you did that shit Ish 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Is he entry level as a podcaster yes. Is he entry level of the knowledge and experience of what they talk about . Fucc no . So if Joe ain’t right the 🥅 gets moved
He is entry level though to this profession, which is a business. Which is why I get where Joe is coming from, if you want that clause in the contract, then you won’t be getting paid higher than you should be. Negotiating at it’s finest
Joe finally met his match and Ish has his OWN money. And honestly if he left and started his own joint he would be extra successful. He's highly intelligent and knows his worth. The women and real men fuxk with him. TALK YA SH** ISH
Pod 3 months old. Ish been signed since then.
@@beng8262 Hopefully he doesn't have to put hands on Joe.
Ice looking like he regrets not negotiating his contract. 😂😂😂😂
This was amazing 🔥🔥🔥