At least the Egyptians were actually in Africa, there are genuinely people out there who believe that the "true" Irish were actually black and that the Celts in Ireland were sub Saharan African. As an Irishman this doesn't offend me, it just confuses me to the point that I have to sit down and contemplate how the education system has failed these people
If I remember correctly, her father and brother-husband didn't even speak Egyptian and she was the first in the family to bother learning it. She was absolutely Greek.
but im asking why do you believe that? Cuz if people could travel to other countries thousands of years ago why couldn't ppl be born in other lands or countries. Like I'm not understanding. Like most you don't want to admit that she was a Greek african
I appreciate the detailed and honest way you handled this topic. Half my family has European features and half has African features so I would have to admit my bias for the African side if I had been doing the above research. But this is where scientific method comes into play--which is meant to keep me from skewing my results with my bias. So thanks for your clear vision and professionalism!
@Nin10dofan8 what they don't realize is that they DO have an history to be proud of. I also hate having to say "they" after all its all human history, all accomplishments made by the same species.
I'm with you and stand on the evidence to date. That is until further research proves otherwise, of course. Research outside the scope of ancient mummies (which only speak to a particular social strata from a particular region rather than your every day Egyptian) would be a wonderful beginning.
Noooooo The ancient Egyptians were either white blonde and blue eyed ARYANZ TM or black curly haired big lipped KANGZ TM There are no other possibilities
@@mikejake3136 ironically, Ramses II (The Great) was a redhead. His family was not of royal blood at first and came from the Delta, though he is not white. Egypt lasted for millenia and would be a melting pot rather than a homogenous people at that point
@@mikejake3136 nah my brother the ancient Chinese were in fact black. The real native Americans were black. Abraham Lincoln was actually black. The man who invented the lightbulb was black. The ancient Romans were black. Everyone who has ever done anything impressive or noteworthy was black. Then the devil himself came in and ruined everything. That’s the truth. My source is a five hour TH-cam video made by a guy whose username is “real_truths-awakened_followerofYeshua100”
The ancient Egyptians in the earlier stages of Egypt were definitely BLACK but as time went on different kingdoms ruled Egypt. Herodotus described Egyptians as dark skinned with wollyhair like their neighbours to South the Kushites. Unlike present day Europeans Herodotus had no agenda or racial Bias, he just simply described what he saw and what he thought of the people he encountered.
The group that calls itself the "Foundational Black Americans" has a founding member, Tarique Nasheed, who also released the "Hidden Colors" movie series. Searching for any of those will give you a taste of just how bizarre some of the claims are. In light of current events, it would appear that they plan on rewriting history in the future, and we must make sure that doesn't happen.
It's what I would expect, really. When we look at the world map, we can see a sort of gradient of skin tones as you go from one location to another (e.g. from europe -> middle east -> africa), and so it makes sense to expect that, given the geographical location of Egypt, that the skin tones would be somewhere between the dark African tones and the olive Middle Eastern ones, and perhaps with a pinch of white from Europe. That's what I would expect even if they weren't multi-ethnic.
They were obviously all black before Greece and other places invaded, after that they were probably mixed race, if you know any mixed people they have more “white” features which is why their statues look how they look, rihanna actually would be good to play cleopatra, if rihanna had a ancient statue of her some would say she was white
@@soulunbound4882 You're going to need evidence if your assertion is to gain any credible purchase. You don't have evidence that the Nile valley was all black. In fact, being at the crossroads it is improbable.
And never take anyone seriously who says he can read Greek and Latin yet doesn't know that the Greeks UNIFORMLY STATED that the Kemites were Black. Of course, the Ptolemies and the 7 Cleopatras were White. It's also a fact that they were invaders, not true Queens and Kings of Kemit, as they routinely participated in anti-Maat activities, like that weird 'man/boy thing', and incest, that is still practiced by many of those who you venerate today.
pah, jokes on you, Cleopatra was actually Russian. If it wasn't for those pesky Romans she would've been runnin Ukraine with her Chinese husband Marc Antony.
@@coolcat1530 "Greek Descended. She was Egyptian." Touché . So let me ask you this.... Many of Nicola Tesla's inventions were invented in America after he got his citizenship. Are those inventions American or Serbian? There's actually a hot debate on this, so what say you?
There are even blacks who claimed ancient China & Japan, Mexico, India, Cambodia (Angkor Wat), Mynamar (Bagan Ruins), Thailand, Indonesia etc... this is just too funny! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hundreds of years of archaeological excavations , tons of artifacts , millions of people who have given their whole lives to this topic , billions of printed publications and books of inceclopedias , museums Netflix BUT YES, I have to ignore it all because grandma told her granddaughter that Cleopatra is BLACK
@bumble-bee the archaeologist and historians you’re talking about falsified history, and had they not falsified history they would not be published because at that time European governments funding there research did not want to hear that Egyptian was black.
What really sucks is that the people who get mad about this probably don't know anything about Egyptian history other than that Cleopatra was a person who existed. Because instead of shooting themselves in the foot, they might be pleasantly surprised to learn there were in fact black pharaohs ( The Nubian Dynasty / 25th Dynasty ) from Kush. Cleopatra just wasn't one of them.
@@josephskiles I also believe it's because too many people hold too much pride in regards to the color of their skin. As a white man, if I see another white person accomplish something great, in the now or in the past, I don't think to myself, "wow, look at what we can do", rather I think, "wow, look at what that person did". It's good to look up to people, but far too many nowadays think that just because they share the same skin color of someone who did something really great or terrible, somehow makes them of the same caliber. It's just people looking too deep into things, which is unhealthy imo.
As a Black man; I've literatelly been having this argument with black people for years on end. I've met several people from Africa, and I can tell you that not all african's are black. I have a coworker that calls herself black and is from morocco, but she has red hair and light skin and when she wears a blonde wig she passes as white. I've met people from Ethiopia that are black but lighter than me. Egypt has had different rulers of different skin colors all throughout it's history. And its absolutely asinine to just assume that everyone from Africa is automatically "black.." I've never understood how that was even possibily, or made remote sense.. I could go on and on ranting but thank you for making this video.
@@metatronyt I'm a long time fine of yours . Not gonna lie I was iffy cause theres tons of "historians." On TH-cam but after finding out that you taught yourself hebrew and latin and did your research better than most people I was sold.
Yes, that's the point. Being a Black African according to the genetic/ethnic category doesn't mean you have to be as black as coal. We have SSA people that are pretty fair.
@@joshbuddha6112 What's kind of funny is that, historically, (at least in 19th century scientific circles) Ethiopians and Somalians were considered Caucasian, as Caucasians were separated into three sub groups, Aryans (Indo-Europeans), Semitics (Arabs, Jews, Assyrians), and Hamitics (people from the Horn of Africa).
I love that "black land" refers to the flooding of the Nile, in every single way, the Nile is always central to everything. It's even 'visible' in Upper and Lower Egypt! Upper Egypt is down south, Lower Egypt is up north. This doesn't mean Egyptians are stupid for not using out maps. But water always flows from high to low. So Upper Egypt was on a higher elevation than Lower Egypt.
Who is to say that North can't be down in a map? East was up for the longest time. Which is where we get our word 'orientate', which means to turn the map up towards the Orient. But that said, yes, upper Egypt was literally higher up than lower Egypt.
Yes, terms and meanings change over the years. Just like here, "A well-regulated militia" has nothing to do with the Army. At the time, the militia was anyone old enough to carry a gun and turn out for maneuvers. And "People" meant a collective of the individual.
@@stephenturner757 While valid, that's besidse the point here. The point isn't that tthe "right way=north is up", but that the Nile was so important to them they even named their lands based on whether it was up or down the Nile. They coudl've used any other naming convention: based on a ruling peoples or dynasty, based on the resource or trade coming from there, the life you can find there, myths, anything... but they chose the Nile.
As someone that's black, I appreciate this video a lot. I know too many ppl in my community that weaponize their afrocentric rhetoric to silence dissent. Even in the face of genuine, scientific and historic evidence (evidence which they would usually use some bullshit oppression conspiracy to hand wave away). Most importantly, I also appreciate your disposition in being willing to possibly update your views, if new genuine data were to come to light in the future (a mark of a true academic and intellectual, as opposed to just a basic ideologue) Love your channel, been a fan for a while. Proud to support you. Can't wait for more content. Keep standing for truth and supported reason. (and congrats on your recent wedding, I wish the best for you and your wife)
I really don't get their logic it's not like black people didn't achieved something , black people also built impressive civilisation like the Mali sultanate and the Ethiopian kingdom and the kingdom of kush, why do they overlook these impressive civilisation and appropriate civilisations of others
@Chris G maybe the common people don't know much about African history i don't blame them , but i blame people who make movies that instead of making movies about black history (like a movie about mansa Musa for example), they just put black people in whatever setting even when it's inaccurate and misleading
I agree that Cleopatra wasn't white tho she would have had significant (maybe over a quarter) Persian genes from dynastic marriages. 6:24 I'll counter to this by saying but do we tho? Do we really know what we mean when we say "he Ancient Egyptians were Black". Like Ignore the crazies on twitter for a second, what is Black?. Because while some people might be picturing Robert Mugabe as the stereotypical Black, the Skin tones and Facial structures of what is considered Black can differ alot. For example the people in th-cam.com/video/DGofahvHDSg/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/hlqECzsvwVU/w-d-xo.html (from 1:03) would be both considered black but both have fairly bright skin tones and the later is 100% SSA. So if the ancient Egyptians looked like the later, would they not still be Black? 6:52 As I said before, you don't have to look like that handsome man to be Black, you can look like either of the people I gave examples of from in the links and still be considered Black. This might be a weird concept for Europeans(I don't know) but is the norm for Americans whose racial categories are to be used as they are the origin of this debate. 7:57 True, they did consider themselves lighter than the southerners but also significantly darker than the Northerners who were in the Levant and a Mediterranean skin tone people. So at least they were darker than Mediterraneans. 10:35 I disagree on this Tan hypothesis. Being brighter skin is generally considered a favourable characteristic among women from modern Nigeria to Ancient Japan to early modern Europe; Its isn't like Egyptians uniquely worked the field everybody did so why the the Libyans and Asiatics not share similar Tans; Why was similar darker and lighter tans used for ALL women and men respectively. I am pretty sure Tanning played a role but it seems to me to be minor to Egyptians conceptualization to women being lighter and men being darker that got exaggerated in art, after all, their work is highly stylized and the Asiatics and Libyans that would have been in the Sun similarly as long were shown even fairer than the women. 10:58 A Nubian's skin colour is gonna be "Black", yes, in looking like your example for the average black skin tone but even black people Tan. I work in a hospital and you can see the clear difference between Black people's faces being much more darker than their chest that is always covered in modern dressing during a physical. Same between the palm and upper arm. 14:11 Fine, no perfect continuity but Egypt's history is very well documented. We can do an analysis that Identifies the DNA admixed from Romans, Greeks, Persians, Berbers, Arabs etc. exclude that from the final Analysis, find the oldest genetic component which I assume would be 99%+ the same as Ancient Egypt and analyse that to show where they land in SSA and West Eurasian admixture. 14:44 This video by Christopher Ehret th-cam.com/video/S_DD4nmyoss/w-d-xo.html argues against this study or a similar one by the location of the samples being from places that from the historical record we should expect that the recorded migrants from the Levant would have settled. Also such a study could just validate the many out of Egypt origin story myth that exists for many peoples from the Scots to the Bamun to the Jews, neither of which have been disproved beyond a reasonable doubt. 15:50 Which is every likely given you yourself accept the highly multi-ethnic nature of ancient Egypt. 16:15 The problem is that the North was where the vast majority of Egyptians lived so if the South was majority Black, they could just be treated as insignificant. The stuff about how after a few generations only langauge could tell apart can be resolved by miscegenation occurring, not Greeks getting Tanned to looking like Ancient Egyptians.
Its funny that egypt still exist and egyptians are still living there with the same colors in the same locations let alone the drawings and writings on the walls still exist.. Then few people come along with a dilusional idea of stealing their heritage.. And doesnt even feel ashamed.. The world is becoming a weird place Wtf 😂... Egyptians were and are egyptians, book a flight and get to meet them in person. And thanks for the honest work in this video.
The funny part is that Afrocentrists say that the invader Greeks turned the Egyptians into white or light skinned peoples, but yet argue Cleopatra had to be black because Egypt is in Africa. They can’t have it both ways!
Egypt does not exist, "native Arabic" name of Egypt is Misr. Moreover, Egyptians do not exist either. People that you call Egyptians are Arabs nowadays. That's like equating Americans to American natives.
@@invoker7826 Coptic Egyptians would not be Arabs. Unless, you are saying that when Arabs spread Islam into Egypt some of those Arabs instead became Christians?
@@Tiber2017 Coptic Egyptians form like 10% of Egypt. What about the 90% who are Arabs and Muslims? And Egypt's official name is "Arab Republic of Egypt"
@@invoker7826 The remaining 90% aren’t all Arabs either. A lot of them are native Egyptians. Modern Egyptians are the descendants of ancient Egyptians. Ancient Egyptians didn’t just disappear. They remained living in Egypt to this day.
What gets me is when black Americans claim to be the descendants of the Hebrew slaves of the Exodus and then say in the same breath that they were the Ancient Egyptians too. They need to pick one. They can’t be both. Also, it grinds my gears when they claim to be the Ancient Celts and the original Native Americans. Like, bruh.
Just to show your ignorance (Ignoring the facts) I will show you this right off the net. You mentioned the Celtic Was the Celts a black person? The ancient Celts and Vikings were Black people. The Celts were originally Black people. Ephorus (c. 405BC) claimed that the Celts were Blacks or Ethiopians (1)The Celts continued to be recognized as Blacks by Tacitus, who wrote about the Black Celts and Picts in 80 AD . (2) Where do you think Black Irish came from?
My Grandparents live in a very small village on the mountains of Cyprus. My Grandmother was pale in skin tone , my Grandfather was very dark brown, but that’s because he was always outside, while she was inside. If you didn’t know them you would have thought they were two different races.
My grandpa as a child was the "black" kid at school. We have no idea where his great-grandfather (who was also dark skinned) was from. We thought he might be aboriginal, because of the typical facial features, but we honestly have no idea. But if you look at my grandpa now, you'd say he is an Australian with a dark tan. But looking at that photo of him as a kid, you'd swear he was some sort of African/Aboriginal decent, because he was very dark. The rest of my family also tan very easily - though no one is as dark as he was. Should he go out and claim brownie points, because of his dark skin? Ridiculous. Then there is me, I am as white as a snowflake (in two generations, we went from dark-skinned to pale-skinned, all on the account of my father's heritage being European). I can't claim aboriginal heritage because I pass as white, not that I would anyway, but you know other's would for victimhood points. So I agree with you. Race is a nothing burger. Culture and Heritage you can claim is more significant. The colour of your skin, doesn't define were you are from, hell like you said, you can be of the same race, but because one is "darker" thus you must be different. The human race is literally a mutt breed. We are from everywhere! Race means nothing!
@@TheOriginal_Unaleska this.the problem when it comes to Egypt is that we are looking at it with American social lens.if u were in the USA in the fifties you'd be black coz of one drop rule.see how this shit is confusing
Exactly the same thing we have in Egypt, especially in the villages, where the men farmers are dark brown and the women are pale white, and some of the women who go out to work in the fields during harvest seasons are light brown in color.
I am born as Egyptians, and i switch from white (winter) to dark brown (summer with many weeks of sun on the beach) And it is common knowledge in Egypt that we are closer to middle/eastern teraradian in skin tone.
You are not the ancient Khemites who are indigenous. You are the Egyptians who are the Hkysos, Greeks, Romans, Turks Europeans and what you call Arabs.
Exactly! As a Malay from Malaysia; this concept is not hard to understand on human ethnic groups who carries phenotype skin tones that ranges from fair to tan. What you described applies to Europeans and Arabs as well. But for some reason Jada Pinkett Smith and even some Americans literally take the term “white” and “black” as a factual indication of ethnicity 🙄
These “black Egyptians” were Nubians/Kushites and lived further down the Nile. They had a similar religion and had a kingdom of their own and even had their own pyramids. Yet these people like to claim that Egypt was a black civilisation because it is the more well-known out of the two.
There is always cultural exchanges present, especially with two very politically connected entities like Kush and Egypt. As each group interacts with one another, there is going to be inevitable influence on both a genetic and cultural level. To put it maybe a bit more bluntly, there was nothing stopping an Egyptian man from taking a fancy to a Kushite woman, or a Kushite man to an Egyptian woman. It’s humans, we tend to do our own thing and have our own outlooks when it comes to things like who we want to have children with/who we want to spend our lives with. Nothing has changed there in the past 4000+ years.
@O B D vast majority of pyramids in Egypt are dwarf pyramids. Also, so what if they weren't star aligned lol Youre just making an argument that bc most palaces aren't as large and exquisite as versailles, they are somehow worthless lol There are only a handful of pyramids as large as egyptian in all recorded history, thats what makes Egyptian pyramids so exceptional lol
The First Dynasty of Egypt (around the 3000s BC) came from the southern regions such as Upper Egypt (around modern day southern Egypt/northern Sudan) and there are some statues depicting a few pharaohs who may be considered "black." Look up the head bust of the Narmer, the founder of the First Dynasty (though this statue is considered by some to be a Pharaoh of the 4th Dynasty). So it is possible that there were some black Egyptians before the Nubian 25th Dynasty.
@O B D Look up the stone statue of the head of King Narmer and describe what it looks like. It is not confirmation, but it is worth taking a look and considering the possibility.
@O B D Some think it is a statue of Khufu, but Khufu is still a pharaoh of the 4th Dynasty. That still supports my point that there were possibly darker skinned African leaders/people in Egypt since the earliest Dynasties of Egypt long before the 25th Nubian Dynasty.
About the black land, some extremely fertile lands in Eastern Europe is called "chernozon" or "black dirt" due to its colour. Exactly the same meaning as the Egyptian "black lands".
As a lifelong egyptophile, Ancient Egypt has been ruled by many ethnic groups. The 25tn Dynasty was black, but the Ptolemaic dynasty was white. I wish people stopped making assumptions that all of Egyptian history was the same
@Leo the Anglo-Filipino They were Nubians, not Sub-Saharan African, mind you. They have been called the Black Pharaohs, but they were not the norm among Egyptian dynasties. For most of Egyptian history, the Nubians were either an enemy or a subject people.
@Christian De Maria black is described as anyone who has non white skin but particularly anyone from African or aboriginal descent. Straight from the dictionary
@@christiandemaria9682 I think you have inadvertently found why ethnic and racial descriptions are less than scientifically satisfying. Skin color is a continuous trait, not a discrete one. It’s therefore impossible to box people into “racial” groups while being completely accurate.
Its an uphill battle when facing the black supremacist propaganda. Too many people are too scared to speak the truth because they're scared they'll be labelled a racist.
I have long ago figured out where people got confused. Before the Persians took over Egypt, the Nubians DID conquer Egypt for about a century or so. So there were black Pharaohs, just not NATIVE Egyptian pharaohs. Due to trying to push a narrative, this turned into ALL Egyptians being black. I don't know when this started, but Egyptians were not that different than they are now just no Arab mixes. The one truth is they were Africans, but NORTH Africans. If you want to push a narrative, this is one of those vague things many people can do it with. On a final note I never truly realized how many crazy people could be suddenly convinced they need to lynch anyone that doesn't agree with them. If you don't agree with me don't. But crazy doesn't help.Edit: Apparently a large group of people never watched the video and keep trying to force me to back down. I'm not sure why they can't handle what I am saying but a whole lot of people just have no intelligent argument. I'm not changing any of this. Facts have no feelings snowflakes. Edit: I myself was wrong on one detail it was the ASSYRIANS not the PERSIANS who pushed out the Nubians.
People forget that Africa is a very large continent with different biospheres that change human development. It ranges from deserts to plains, to hilly regions, to thick jungle. The flora, fauna, and all the above changes with that. For people who say they speak for Africans they sure don't understand the difference between them. Shit even nations have issues because two major ethnicities live together. (Rwanda anyone)
As a Native North African I've never thought that one day I will be considered a stranger to this continent just because my skin color is white . Personally I've never classified people based on their skin tone or based my interactions with them on it , but rather by thier political ideology as it reveals a lot about them and I think it's a safer more rational measure.
You're being used as a political tool in a foreign landscape which has it's own history it's currently struggling with, and they like to apply their own history and experiences to people from elsewhere. It's similar to how the first half of the 20ieth century had Germans trying to define themselves in terms of indo-europeans they call Aryans and Atlantis and other such nonsense, because they were struggling with their own sense of identity and their recent history.
I mean if your skin color is white your genetics probably trace back to Europe. That’s like white Americans who’s family came to the now USA in the 1600s saying they feel like foreigners. In short sight, they are Americans but the USA is not “their land” it’s the native Americans land. Similarly, North Africa was colonized so it is the native black Africans land and no one else’s.
Most of North Africa has a hatred for “black” people just like the West. The only reason you can even read and write in Tifinagh is because “black” Tuaregs preserved a form of the Libyco-Berber script while the rest of the Amazigh rolled over and assimilated. You’re part of the problem.
In that analogy that would be dainty Ferrari is European because Italy is in Europe much like Egypt is African because it's in Africa despite the centuries European's have spent trying to separateit's identity from Africa because God forbid black people have something nice
Never thought about the "George Washington as a Native American, because he was born in America" argument. Love it in its simplicity and finesse. Want to know what the Woke crowd responds to that
Ok, im about to end this debate right now. 1, the ancient Egyptians called Punt(modern day Ethiopia and somalia) their homeland and place of origin. 2, the greeks saw the ancients themselves and said they were dark and had wooly hair. Diodorus, a greek scholar of the time who saw the ancient Egyptians himself said “it appears the Egyptians were colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, many of them that dwell along the nile have the same dark skin and wooly hair”, the greeks saw them with their own eyes. Also, all the drawings on the inside of tombs are of brown, reddish brown and dark brown complexioned ppl. Also majority of the statues especially from the old kingdom show broad noses and full lips, arabs aka modern Egyptians dont have that. The modern Egyptians are yellow and arab looking, the ancients were brown, dark brown and proven to look like the Ethiopians. The problem is ppl hear “black” and think we’re talking about 50 cent or Jay Z facial features. No, the ancients did not look like African Americans or west africans but the DID look like the beja people, northern Sudanese, Ethiopian, southern Egyptians. Brown and dark brown skin, soft black curly hair and narrow noses. Those are STILL black ppl. Black doesn’t just mean Kevin Hart lmao. If you want to know what race the ancient Egyptians were look up the “beja people” and “Marcus Samuelson”. The ancients WERE black, just not the kind of black you’re thinking of.
@@borattopaz4592 Diodorus’ brother Antidiodorus said that those Egyptians were merely servants of a people described as “tall, pale and of straight hair”. Furthermore, those ruling Egyptians had their hair described as “long, straight and of many bright colours such as red and gold.”
@@Jogvanth Bullshit. And easily disproven by the fact that anti-enslavers and abolitionists existed long before the U.S. did, and by the words of its 3rd POTUS and enslaver Thomas Jefferson. "I tremble for my nation when I reflect that God is just; His justice cannot sleep forever." What you just said is not the first rule of anything. Throughout time all wrongdoing pieces of shit knew they were doing wrong. Just because an action is sanctioned by a society doesn't mean the bastards who do evil don't know they're evildoers. Human beings have always had ears, and ears can hear screams.
the Cleopatra thing is especially funny b/c one of the things she's famous for is being the only Ptolemaic ruler to actually speak Egyptian *edit:* replies mostly consist of weird racist baloney, proceed at your own risk
@@matiusbond6052 that's highly doubtful. The Ptolemaic dynasty took on a lot of Egyptian customs including incest. We know for a fact that every Ptolemaic ruler of Egypt before Cleopatra was married to either a sibling or a cousin. Cleopatra herself married her younger brother. The only reason this is an argument is that Cleopatra's mother is not recorded. So yes it's a possibility but wouldn't it be more likely looking at what came before and after that her mother was from the same Ptolemaic line and a Macedonian.
@@soulunbound4882 Do you understand that 30% of the genetic of a black american is white ? Egypt is more mixed today then they were before because of slavery.
I am a black man from American, I think a lot of black Americans try so hard to attach themselves to anything Africa because a lot of us don't know where we can from and don't want to be looked at just as slave descendants. Great video Metatron!
Neither one of y’all are black definitely not educated in African/American history either. Y’all can look up ancient Ethiopian stones then let me know what y’all think.
Ancient Egyptians were never black, Pharoah Tutankhamun had sandels excavated and dated to be 3,300 BC. Those sandals show him stepping on hia enemies the nubians.
how does that prove they werent so called black? The Egyptians were more than one "color" of people and they were %100 not WHITE and were depicted with reddish/brown skin. Similar to Blacks of America who are anywhere form high yellow(fair, light skin, almond) , medium brown (chestnut ,tawney) to dark (Black). They were AFRO ASIATIC people so how were they not "black"?
If people really want a pyramid-building culture of black people, there's the Nubians. In fact I wouldn't mind seeing pop culture made about the Nubians since they are never seen in anything.
@O B D Mansa Musa was the single wealthiest human being of all time. He was once so generous with his wealth that he crashed the Egyptian economy, so he had to take the gold back on loan on his return trip.
I don't understand the arm flailing from the "diversity" crowd over this. Egypt actually did have a Black dynasty that ruled for over 100 years, it was the Kushite Dynasty. Why don't they make a movie/show about that? It is actually historically accurate and quite dramatic how it began and ended, it would make for good television. It's more accurate than Black Female Vikings ruling a multiracial utopia in medieval Scandinavia.
The "black Egypt" theme is at the heart of the Afrocentric movement to supposedly expose white supremacy from "hiding" the true genius (even divinity lol) of "black Africans". You lose that argument, the narrative collapses. You can see from these comments how triggered a lot are from facts that debunk the narrative, resorting to throwing insults to modern Egyptians as being "invaders", etc. They are operating in a bubble with terrible group think, failing to see how foolish it looks on a global scale. And like you pointed out, there were black people then and now in Egypt -- however, the core Egyptian population is what it has been for tens of thousands of years, and people cannot come to grips with this basic fact.
the pyramids weren't built 2000 to 3000yrs ago... Those things are over 10,000 to 20,000 yrs old, built by early African settlers technologically advanced than we currently are before the deluge(book of Noah clearly states who Egyptians were), civilisation and humans keep factory resetting time to time... And we start a fresh from stoneage(genesis). Arabs discovered the pyramids of giza and sphinx all covered up by huge mountain of sand, as we do nowadays uncovering archaeological stuff
Compelling arguments with sound reasoning. A rarity in today’s world of biased pseudoscience to fit social agendas. Congratulations on getting married by the way.
@@paulbrandel5980 I'll try to lay off the booze, thank you. Now if I can give you an advice as well: Try reading the scientific articles. Because even that DNA study Metatron cites was ultimately based on 3 late period mummies, of unknown origin. Quoting the authors of the study (Johannes Krause et al, Nature, 2017): “However, we note that all our genetic data were obtained from a single site in Middle Egypt and may not be representative for all of ancient Egypt. It is possible that populations in the south of Egypt were more closely related to those of Nubia and had a higher sub-Saharan genetic component, in which case the argument for an influx of sub-Saharan ancestries after the Roman Period might only be partially valid and have to be nuanced. Throughout Pharaonic history there was intense interaction between Egypt and Nubia, ranging from trade to conquest and colonialism, and there is compelling evidence for ethnic complexity within households with Egyptian men marrying Nubian women and vice versa”. And, most importantly: “Unfortunately, mummies from the Old till early New Kingdom are not present at the site or and not included in our data set, which focusses on the three consecutive periods.” Now, please Google everything related to pre-dynastic and Old Kingdom, such as "Human face hieroglyph" (Gardiner D2).
The ancient Egyptians in the earlier stages of Egypt were definitely BLACK but as time went on different kingdoms ruled Egypt. Herodotus described Egyptians as dark skinned with wollyhair like their neighbours to South the Kushites. Unlike present day Europeans Herodotus had no agenda or racial Bias, he just simply described what he saw and what he thought of the people he encountered.
When Egypt matter everyone was black. We have this thing called melanin that flows through our bodies.. Black people comes in all kinds of shades from being very dark to very light .Melanin is the key you couldn't survive without it
Um no everything has melanin even cockroaches and plants stop trying to make everything about Black Folks the world does not revolve around Black & White.
No, the mummies from the new knigdom era when egypt was at its peak, the dna study proved they looked like any other eastern Mediterranean nations rather than africans
Black people are Semites. The we are NOT Hamites so, no Egyptians were not "negro", however some of the inhabitants of Egypt were black (negro). Namely the Nubians who were also Semitic. That's why Joseph was mistaken for one of them by his brothers. Most Egyptians we're of a lighter complexion. Israel weren't and were one of the negro tribes there.
What frustrates me the most about this subject is that everyone who defends that the Egyptians were black completely ignore their descendants: the modern Copts. And they are far from being black.
What frustrates me the most about this is that you cannot actually reason with these people, they just want to believe this kind of lies. Recently you encounter this kind of bullcrap with black Vikings... They don't care about scientific truth, reason, they just want to believe it and push their agenda in everything.
what frustrates me is that you can't talk about reality with out seeming like you have a bias because you offended somebody who is wrong, we care more about people than facts yeah that's a good thing but can't we care about both?
I am surprised that when you talked about Kemet meaning black land you didn't bring up Deshret, which means red land. The area around the Nile was called Kemet or black land because of the color of the soil when the Nile flooded. The area outside of the Nile was called Deshret or red land, because of the reddish land that made up the desert. This is unequivocal proof that the Ancient Egyptians did not use these terms to reference skin color.
@@ikengaspirit3063 No, they didn't. Deshret is where the word desert comes from. It's obvious that they were talking about the color of the land, not the color of the people. If that was true, then they would have celled Egypt Deshret, as they depict themselves in art as having a more reddish skin, while depicting Libyans as having paler, more white skin.
@@minutemansam1214 You're mostly right, except for explaining the word desert coming from Deshret. In reality, it's a pure linguistical coincidence. The word "desert" comes from Latin, meaning "abandoned, forsaken" (hence the words like "deserter", "to desert"). It has nothing to do with "Deshret" etymologically.
As a modern Egyptian, THANK YOU. I'm tired of being told I'm an Arab colonizer and not a true African because I'm not black, even though genetic testing proved that modern Egyptians are still very genetically connected to Ancient Egyptians. Here's the truth: 1. Ancient Egypt was a diverse country (as is modern Egypt) and it's also huge, it goes from the very northern part of Africa to the Nubian region. Original north Africans are all non-black. Why would they be black, they're closer to Europe than the Equator. Having dark skin is related to how close to the Equator you are because melanin develops in skin to protect it from the harsh sun. 2. There's absolutely no historical record of genocide against Ancient Egyptians (like the very well-recorded and documented genocide against Native American, for example), so where did this all black population of Ancient Egypt go? Magically disappear into thin air? It just never existed. There were black people in Egypt, yes, in the very south, and people's skin got lighter and lighter the closer they got to the Mediterranean. 3. Egypt did not receive any mass migrations the way the New World did. There was a frequent change in who was in power, yes, but the population itself never changed to the point where everyone's skin was magically bleached over centuries.
I have been told by a black American that I am not indigenous of South America because my skin in my avatar is clear and my ancestors were black @_@ I really hope that person was trolling but I suspect is somebody that takes the Flinstones as a documentary
It's ridiculous that people tell you you're an Arab colonizer. We colonized you and gave you our language, but most of your DNA is still 3ajamy, right? (I remember reading that Muslim Egyptians have slightly more Arab DNA than Christian Copts, but still not much.) I don't have data for this -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- but it seems to me that even your dialect has all the hallmarks of a dialect spoken by a different race than the parent language, such as the erasure of interdental fricatives, which is something you often see when a language is adopted by a different race, like Latin American Spanish and Indian English, and loads of non-Arabic vocabulary and grammatical features. Could be wrong about this but it seems that way to me; especially your phonology is very different from the accents we have in Arabia. Seems to me even while speaking fos7a many of you have a distinct pronunciation. Again, sorry if I got anything wrong! Love your guys accent and culture.
Being on the equator or far away from it is not necessarily an indicator of the likelihood of your skin colour. The Cheddar man for example was black, and he lived in Britain.
You say, thank you, but he specifically stated that those mummies were more connected to Europeans than people from the near East. On top, the only people speaking Egyptian in Egypt are Coptic peoples. Yes, Coptic is a direct descendant from Ancient Egyptian language. The rest ARE arabs, and you are probably too!
As an African American and history buff I appreciate your logical and factual takes. Unfortunately many Americans are emotional and want to change history to fit whatever narrative makes them feel good. Keep up the good work. Keep spreading historical truths.
Read and learn (part 2) Greek + French philosophy admiting the original Egyptiam were black This list of quotes from ancient, near-recent, and recent scholars that have spoken truthfully on this topic: “Herodotus says: ‘The Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. They were black-skinned and have wooly hair’” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. xv). Diodorus of Sicily (90 BC - 30 BC) was a Greek historian that wrote the following: “The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies which was brought into Egypt by Osiris . . . . They add that from them, as from their authors and ancestors, the Egyptians get most of their laws. It is from them that the Egyptians have learned to honor kings as gods and bury them with such pomp; sculpture and writing were invented by the Ethiopians. The Ethiopians cite evidence that they are more ancient than the Egyptians” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 2). Herodotus asserts that “‘It is certain that the natives of the country [Egypt] are black with the heat” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 1). “The opinions of all the ancient writers on the Egyptian race is more or less summed up by Gaston Maspero (1846-1916): ‘By the almost unanimous testimony of ancient historians, they belonged to an African race [read: Negro]’ which first settled in Ethiopia, on the Middle Nile; following the course of the river, they gradually reached the sea’”’ (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 2). French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820) described the Sphinx as “‘typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says: ‘As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair . . . . ‘ In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 27). The French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820) Just think that this race of black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech! Aristotle says, “the Ethiopians and Egyptians are very black” (Ripples Nigeria, 2018). The French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820) described the Sphinx as “‘typically Negro in all its features’”(Diop, 1974/1955, p. 27). Upon learning that the ancient Egyptians were Black, French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820), remarks on how faulty it was to believe that Blacks were less intelligent than Whites. Volney states, “What a subject for meditation, to see the present barbarism and ignorance of the Copts, descendants of the alliance between the profound genius of the Egyptians and the brilliant minds of the Greeks! According to the African historian John G. Jackson, “there are many physical varieties of African peoples. [However,] the complex skin tones of Africans are mainly black and brown. Most of the light-skinned people in Africa today are latecomers and interlopers. They have later or no relationship to African ancient history. The Egyptians are a distinct African people. They did not originally come from Europe or Asia. Their history and their culture started in what is now Ethiopia and the Sudan” (Jackson, 2001, p. 6). Professor Manu Ampim on how ancient Egyptian sculptures are being de-Africanized: “When the artifacts in question were examined meticulously, I found that the methods used to change or damage the images are varied, and they include: subtly altering the shape of the nose on statues by using some type of tomb sanding device; adding on false noses; reshaping or completely destroying the face on temple and eliminating the paint on statues and paintings and thus making the images appear ‘white’; destroying the lower facial structure, particularly the chin and jaw area; putting in false bluish-gray inlaid eyes; plastering over temple images with White Portland Cement during ongoing ‘conservation’ work; and creating outright forgeries! These acts of fraud and deliberate destruction is what I call the handiwork of modern conspirators. I was stunned by such an angry, vicious, and widespread attack against Black images by the enemies of Classical African Civilizations” (Ampim, 2001). In his book, The Ruins of Empires (1791), French scholar, C. F. Volney wrote the following about the ancient Kemites (Egyptians), “There is a people, now forgotten, discovered, while others were yet barbarians, the elements of the arts and sciences. A race of men now rejected from society for their sable skin and frizzled hair, founded on the study of the laws of nature, those civil and religious systems which still govern the universe” (All Eyes on Media, 2013). When this text was translated from French to English and published in America, this line was taken out, as not to offend White-Americans. If the ancient Egyptians were White, there’s no way they would sculpt J. F. Champollion (19th century French Egyptologist) stepping on the head of this ancient Egyptian Pharaoh. The hate for the Black-African is despicable. This is why upon learning that the ancient Egyptians were Black, French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820) said the following: “Just think that this race of black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 28). References: All Eyes on Media. (2013, Nov. 16). Nile valley contributions to civilization - Anthony T. Browder [Video]. TH-cam. th-cam.com/video/OgXtA7Wyl_w/w-d-xo.html Ampim, M. (2001). The vanishing evidence of classical African civilizations: “A 2001 Update.” Africana Studies from the Primary Sources with Professor Manu Ampim. manuampim.com/update1.html. Diop, C. (1974). The African origin of civilization: Myth or reality. (M. Cook, Trans., Ed.). Lawrence Hill & Co. (Original work published 1955). Jackson, J .G. (2001). Introduction to African civilizations. Citadel Press. Ripples Nigeria (2018, Nov. 11). Europe and Americas stole and denied Africa’s civilization.” Graffiti. www.ripplesnigeria.com/europe-and-americas-stole-and-denied-africas-civilization
Ramesses III Edit In December 2012, a genetic study conducted by the same researchers who decoded King Tutankhamun's DNA predicted using an STR-predictor that Ramesses III, second pharaoh of the Twentieth Dynasty of Egypt and considered to be the last great New Kingdom regent to wield any substantial authority over Egypt, belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup E-M2, alternatively known as haplogroup E1b1a.[18] E1b1a is black
@@macmac9371Black people like to claim any person who has any Black in them as full Black such as Barack Obama. No one acknowledges that he’s literally half White from his mom and half Black from his dad, yet he’s claimed as full Black from Black people. Why is that? Why do Black people have to always make claim to a half Black or part Black person? To feel like they share that person or peoples’ achievements? I’ll check into his haplogroup but it wouldn’t surprise me if it does have it being from Sub-Sahara because it’s not too crazy to think that they had some Black mixture in them but Black people want to blow it out of proportion and just say, “No, they’re all Black!”. It’s tiring and unintelligent to say that.
You Mean woketarts and Joe Biden sexaul not all Americans bleve in that bs as Mexican/ Israeli find what he says to be more bleveable then black liberals who sit there saying Egyptians were black with littie to no proof to back there claims up . When the facts and history go against what they believe.
SJW's be like: "Cleopatra was black!" Me: "Yes... Cleopatra... Of the House of Ptolemy... From Macedonia... Macedonians are famous for being black, aren't they?" 🤔
@@als3022 Yes, Noble families in general are famous for marrying and having children with locals. They were always progressive that way. More than happy to add genetic lineage from outsiders to their noble stock. 🤣
I saw a documentry about Cleopatra being black. They based it one thing. Who her grandmother was, was not recorded. Well, that may be so, but given that the Ptolemaic Dynasty were incestuous, I'd say a good guiess would be her grandfather's sister...
Finally, I was waiting for you to speak about this subject as an Egyptian we don't talk about this subject its a western controversy to us if you are an Egyptian you are an Egyptian your skin color doesn't matter, and historically we've been ruled over by various races colors and religions and we absorbed them eventually as pharaohs and as Egyptians because we don't have a problem with race as people Egypt is not exclusively black nor any civilization ever was only one color and I have family members of all shades much like Egypt itself from the delta to Aswan and for anyone claiming this civilization as his own that will not make him greater than the rest of us and only Egyptian can claim Egypt and they are of all colors because Egypt is bigger than any color and God bless you Metatron
I see the argument a lot from black supremacists. I like a lot of pages related to the 'Ancient' world and this is a ridiculously common subject. Most of the responding arguments come from Egyptians themselves and they tend to be quite aggressive about it on the whole. It was a strange argument to see keep coming up since it always made sense to me that Egyptians would be exactly as they are today, I hadn't thought about it before. I'm not sure what the obsession is with claiming some sort of link to the achievements and actions of a group of people based purely on skin colour and not direct ancestry.
@@VincoVenator They try to compensate in a weird way and show that they are better than white people since Egypt was one of the great civilizations of the world then. All I know for certain is that most extremists of all minorities reside in America and have weird pent up complex issues and unhealthy obsessions. Most different colored people in Europe are really chill and almost never bring shit like that. Some black people even let their friends to call them the N word because for them it doesn't mean anything, it's just a word.
@@cloudshifter It's a bunch of cope because they have lost their histories by being taken as slaves rather than being immigrants. They can't say "I'm Ghanaian", or "I'm Nigerian"; they haven't got any ancestral knowledge apart from their skin colour and historical status. So they play it up and mythologise it. You can see the hilarious confused reactions of Africans who move to the US. There's a huge cultural difference in mindset between hardworking Africans and the victim mentality of many (but not all) black Americans. It carries over to many other areas, such as wokeness and calling successful black people "Uncle Toms", but that's getting off-topic.
@@cloudshifter You all are SO stupid with your theories as to what African Americans think. " Only Egyptians can claim Egyptians " is bullshit, as you live on the African continent. You can't claim this anymore than an Italian person can claim that they aren't European. What this is all about. , & brotha you've been indoctrinated into the white supremacy as well, is an erasure of history, a down playing of Africa civilizations. I'm assuming you didn't grow up in the U.S, but this goes all the way back to the Trans Atlantic slave trade, where they had to settle their conscience by saying Africans were sub human, so they tried to chop up Africa into different racial classes . & it saddens me to see modern African talk against their brothers that were taken from the continent. African Americans have just as much right to claim Africa as a whole, as Asians do Asian & Europeans do Europe. This has all come about due to a whitewashing of this particular part of our history Current science tells us that the Sub Saharan desert wasn't always a desert, that the climates shifts every 6 thousand years or so. I'm other words , there were people living in the desert region ( which was green & habitable then) . The last change came about as dynastic Egypt started up. These were people having to flee the Saharan area & they spread out, some of them populated the Nile Valley. These were the original people of the Nile Valley that went on to build the pyramids . 1st Pharoah Narmer , was clearly a very " Negroid " African. Don't be ashamed of your own history brutha, be proud & know that most of the early Pharoahs were clearly African ...." Black " Africans . You haven't experienced racism as African Americans have, I get that, but you should be conscious enough not to support a white supremacist attitude, as that's what I get from you. Oh, & here are some shots from the earliest to the most powerful dynasty ( The 18th) drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZcKZha8iFhfeGnLe76thdtaDw-hSuVn1
Makes it infuriating that activists want Cleopatra, a Macedonia Greek pharaoh who may or may not have some Egyptian ancestry, to be played by a black. The Nubians were black, but not the native Egyptians.
Uan Muhaggiag says otherwise, the oldest North African mummy was Sub-Saharan. Interesting he didn't touch on this. Also there are many paintings and items depicting Nubian roots like the Egyptian book of the dead that claim Egyptians came from further down the Nile. We know nubians originally inhabited Egypt from Greek testimonies and Arab invasion accounts. Also, the pyramids are now said to be much older than anticipated. Not to mention clear African facial features on many artifacts... I do wonder if there's something we don't know about the genesis of Egypt and wonder if the culture was adopted from Libya and Kush... questions that shouldn't be dismissed
Bonus points, Metatron, for mentioning the dualistic underpinnings of Ancient Egyptian metaphysics. Red is the desert, dryness, and death; black is the river, water, and life. The world is a battle between to two. I'm not sure if it ever was a sophisticated as East Asian depictions of Yin/Yang, but it was part of their cultural underpinnings.
@でッ Listen-- ancient Egypt or Khemit is in Africa. It's people are & were African. AncientvEgypt was a primary African culture/society. Grouping it w/ the mideast denies that Egypt is a part of Africa. Today, Egypt & all other no. African countries r invested in the whole well being of continental Africa. Rather then aligning w/ the mideast or as just being no. Africa.
@@coleslaw9181 Does race have to be apart of it when it really doesn't exist?! Race is an imperialist concept. So called north Africans r now working for the all inclusiveness of Africa. Rather then aligning w/ the mideast. "All humanity r the children of God; they belong to the same original race. There can be no multiplicity of races, since all r the decendants of Adam." Many mideast inhabitants are indigenous to those regions. & they resemble east Africans. The Carribean & the Americas have diverse varieties of people. -- Rich African legacies of Afro-Latino, Foundationsl black Americans, indigenous Americans, Afro-Arabs &, Amizigh. These hybrid societies r all a part of the whole.
The skin tones made me think of Japan and their depictions of different skin colors according to social status (workers dark and nobles pale with noble women very pale). Although it's an animated movie not meant to be a documentary, I like how Egyptians were depicted in "The Prince of Egypt".
this "depiction" is actually the truth for most Afro-Asiatic people (except for east Africa), the Arabs and Amazigh (Berber) people generally get a tan from working in fields or other labor-intensive work, while the women are generally housewives and wear a veil outside givng them lighter skin, and the well-off men working in offices or other comfortable areas are generally whiter than the ones who work in the sun light. my father is on the darker end of how an Arab would look like, while my mother actually kinda looks how Celopatra statue looked like lol, so she's more south European looking. I get called white by dark skinned people, and non-white by blonde people.
I agree. And even though they decided to make an artistic contrast between the Hebrews and the Egyptians by making the former with softer shapes and the latter with more angular ones to make us more sympathetic to the Hebrews, both still looked fairly realistic.
I think this is similar to Minoan art on Crete. Perhaps women didn't work outside. Or maybe some women did work outside and get tan, but they were painted a lighter shade as a matter of custom.
I just had an argument with one of these Afrocentrists. It boiled down to "everything in history and archaeology and the entire body of evidence is faked by whites, Rome invaded Egypt only a few centuries ago and stole the advanced African culture (no joke) and pretended Cleopatra was a white lady to devalue black women, white America always did this, you should educate yourself." When I told them that pretending a European colonizing force (the Ptolemies) were natives actually does a disservice to the plight of the colonized, they just responded with "it's all lies." I even brought up the George Washington analogy. They did not appear to have understood the analogy. I am not sure it is at all purposeful to engage with someone like this. It was quite idiotic of me.
The world isn't black and white, quite literally. And neither claims of european supremacy nor claims of whitewashing of history are helpful to the truth. The truth lies inbetween and all kinds of people had all kinds of history, times of strength and weakness. Finding the thuth and sharing that knowledge is what is important.
Back in college I was friends with a Coptic Orthodox Christian who was born here in America but whose parents were immigrants from Egypt and who visited there often. During the summer his skin was almost exactly the reddish tone used for the Egyptian male pictures, while in winter it was closer to the yellowish tone used for Egyptian women. At first glance you'd probably think he was Arab instead of black, but his hair texture was definitely closer to that of black Africans. He claimed his family had no Arab ancestry, never learned Arabic, and was of the purest Egyptian stock.
Yes we keep saying that to Afrocentric that , I’m a Coptic Muslim myself , I’m having light skin , like they keep discriminate against me calling me to go back to Balkan or turkey , and when I’m telling them actually it’s easy for us to get tanned in the summer they like nah , you are lying you don’t have melanin.. they are idiots
8:48 fake reconstruction, look at the original book of gates you'll see that it's destroyed for the most part but you'll be able to see black paint on the feet of the person that's beside the "nubian" on the right, you'll also notice that the two people on the left of the "nubian" have the same hair as him in the original and they don't look different, so yeah I already knew he was going to use this image to push his agenda 😂, btw If you want to see the original type "tomb of Seti book of gates" it looks nothing like the poor attempt at white washing.
I think a big part of the problem is the use of the term "African" to describe individuals from a continent as if a continent is a unified community of some kind, coupled with this absurd obsession over skin-tone, as if "white" people don't have variant skin tones depending on what climate they happen to be living in at a given moment! Neither Africa nor Europe are unified communities. "Africa" is a very large land mass with very distinct regions, just like Europe. Being "African" did not make one "black". The Roman Empire was not really "European" at all, it was MEDITERRANEAN and Egypt is also significantly Mediterranean. Egypt was less "multi-ethnic" than Europe due to the vast deserts to the south vs the passable mountain ranges in the more hospitable northern continent and the penchant for Europeans to create roads for trade. Europeans traveled by sea and river to Egypt, and Egyptians traveled along the coast into Europe as well as down river into northern Sudan. "Nubians" (i.e. northern Sudanese people) were a rarity everywhere in the north, and the Nubians of ancient Egypt were STILL not sub-Saharan (according to genetic testing). Sub-Saharan genotypes were present during Christianization but were gone during Muslim expansion and only came back in the modern era. Sub-Saharan south Sudan is genetically distinct from northern Sudan. Again, SUDAN, in Africa, contains genetically distinct ethnicities. But the "ethnic" Egyptians saw the Nubians as so very different from themselves in terms of skin-tone that they painted them 'black' while their own women are pale.
That's because "Afro-americans", fanatical black supremacists don't know much about Africa at all. Most of them can't even find Africa on the map. Or the map. But they are forcing their revisionist fantasists on every else.
Not to mention that Africa is the most genetically diverse continent on the planet. Even Africans can vary vastly in stature, skin color, and of course cultural customs on hair in that some tribes and ethnic groups have men and women shave their heads and others see hair as a sign of power and prosperity. It’s really hard to lump an entire continent with vastly different climates and people groups into one group, but of course enslaving people based on their general skin tone can do that. Which in it of itself was odd considering that peoples like the Romans enslaved more indiscriminately; in that they enslaved anyone they came upon, even other Romans. It’s very odd that suddenly people decided to enslave one very broad group of people that can easily be identified by the very general color of their skin.
@@therealspeedwagon1451you do realize that race is fundamentally about biology but a political construct refer not only to skin but also truth lineage black equates to African as white people to Europe
Rome was a mediterranean power, the continent of Europe was just a forest jungle with savages at the time. Just like the Greeks before, the Romans sought the riches of trade and commerce in the civilization around the mediterranean basin, its sorta silly and anachronistic to call it a "European" power or attributing a European identity to it. It was an Alien culture with penis amulets and death matches with lions, weird food, and weird superstitions, when they conquered Jerusalem, to celebrate, they ritually murdered (human sacrifice) teenage boys...you fkrs are way lost to imagine you have any affinity with this alien culture
Egypt is multicultural but if we are talking about ancient Egypt I’m sorry but the culture started in the south with the Nubians who were black and they started the Egypt culture and it was called Kemet MAtatron which means black ! Then later over time thousand and hundreds years people of all colors migrated!! But I know damn well for certain that they weren’t Europeans and the Greeks migrated to Egypt ! Greeks wrote about the Egyptians and said they were mostly black and brown people!! What is funny right under the border of Egypt is Sudan which means land of the black lol !! So stop it people !! Don’t hate or do !!! This is old information everyone wants to claim Egypt !!
"The southern Indians are rather more like Ethiopians as they are black to look on, and their hair is black; only they are not so snub-nosed or woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; *the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians physically* ." - Indica by Arrian (2nd century BC) We know there was no major population replacement in the Indian Subcontinent in the last 2 millennia, only some religious/cultural changes. Modern northern Indian/Pakistanis have similar range of skin color to modern Egyptians, and can at times be mistaken for the other. Further, when comparing Ethiopians with southern Indians, Arrian makes it a point to mention that although similar in skin color, they do no have similar nose and hair-type; but says nothing when comparing Egyptians to northern Indians, meaning that Egyptians most likely did not have the Ethiopian-like nose and hair-type. So, it is safe to assume that ancient Egyptians didn't look too different from modern Egyptians.
I actually thought that looking at the art of ancient Egypt. Indians can be quite light skinned and also very black interestingly being fair is a desirable trait in wealthy women hence the skin whitening industry.
As we have seen from Americans, someone can have fairer skin and still be considered black by facial structure so Ancient Egyptians could still have been black.
Very eloquently put and presented. US culture has a lot of extreme views when it comes to race. Egypt and Greece both were metropolitan. They shared knowledge and traded goods with all the known world of their times as a sea fearing people. It's common sense to think that the people there were from different ethnic groups. Just like every other major city and country today. People have migrated since their birth for the most favorable place to live. 👌🏾
@metatronyt Your welcome. I've lived in different countries since my youth. During my teenage years living in Germany I learned more about history and migration of people. Just like I got there by plane, people used boats back then. When speaking to American people about identity in history I ask this question, "What does an American look like today?" 💭 Well imagine these thriving ancient cities back then. People from all over would've migrated for better living.
@@metatronyt HAM THE YOUNGEST SON OF NOAH BORN PROBABLY ABOUT 96 YEARS BEFORE THE FLOOD.AND ONE OF EIGHT PERSONS TO LIVE THROUGH THE FLOOD.HE BECAME THE PROGENITOR OF THE DARK RACES NOT THE NEGROES BUT THE EGYPTIANS,ETHIOPIANS ,LIBYANS AND CANNANITES. FROM THE ZONDERVAN BIBLE DICTIONARY AND THIS IS JUST LIGHT EVIDENCE
As an art student I studied ancient Egyptian art. The ancient Egyptians were skillful, brilliant artists. Even though the art is highly stylized, it is clear they were depicting different ethnicities, from skin tone to facial structure to hair texture. If the ancient Egyptian rulers had been black, they would have been depicted as such, but they weren’t.
@@TheLeadpepper It's the melanated recessive people that need proof. My ancestors left proof with statues and ancient temples with people on the walls that look like me or my grandmother photo album. They left mummies that people like you desecrate because you want to find yourselves in our-story, which is before his-story.
Why are black africans carrying a haplogroup which is not only non african but also comes from a people who migrated form North Asia (closer to Siberia and Ural mountains)? It even predates the bronze age. Look up the V88 subclade of R1b. This R1 population also carried the geneitc mutation for light skin, hair and eyes. Which is a mutation they Inherit from their ancestors who survived two Ice ages In Eurasia.
This confusion about race is interesting in many ways. I worked with a girl whose family was originally from Mexico but had been US citizens for multiple generations. In the 2020 census, she and her sister (whose skin tone is about like mine, and I am mostly northern European) put their race as "White" while her father and mother (with similar skin tones) put "Hispanic". When I was in college many years ago, we had a guest speaker in one of the Humanities classes I was required to take who was an assistant coroner in the county where the school was located. His view on "race" was totally different from most of the class because he didn't pay any attention to skin color, in fact, many of the bodies he had to examine were only bones and had no skin color. He indicated that he recognized three different bone structures; African, Asian and Indo-European, and he could tell from the bones what "race" the person was. Where it got interesting was when races were mixed, such as most Blacks in the US who are 20-25% European. The census now has a category for mixed races, but I had a friend years ago whose father was Korean, and mother was European decent. Before "mixed race" was an option starting in the 2000 census, his parents (and himself when he was on his own) would put "Asian" one census and "White" the next, because he was both.
The census gathers this information to get a general sense of the demographics of the country. People are more mixed nowadays compared to 1790, when the first US Federal Census was taken.
@@Es97Coqui I was in college in the early 70's and he didn't go into a lot of details about this, but I will try to tell you what I think he was saying. If you have a family where one parent is White and one is Black, the children frequently have skin color that is in between the two - not as dark as the Black parent, but darker than the White parent. I interpreted the remarks when I heard them to be something similar on the bone-structure level. When the coroner finds human bones in the woods and it gets reported to the news media, the official statement generally goes like this: The body "appears" to be that of a white female approximately 23 years old". There is some hedging because more than likely the bone structures of all humans are pretty similar. That is the best that I can do with the knowledge I have. You might use Google to try to pull up more info if you are interested in more details.
Ok, im about to end this debate right now. The ancient Egyptians WERE black. 1, the ancient Egyptians called Punt(modern day Ethiopia and somalia) their homeland and place of origin. 2, the greeks saw the ancients themselves and said they were dark and had wooly hair. Diodorus, a greek scholar of the time who saw the ancient Egyptians himself said “it appears the Egyptians were colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, many of them that dwell along the nile have the same dark skin and wooly hair”, the greeks saw them with their own eyes. Also, all the drawings on the inside of tombs are of brown, reddish brown and dark brown complexioned ppl. Also majority of the statues especially from the old kingdom show broad noses and full lips, arabs aka modern Egyptians dont have that. The modern Egyptians are yellow and arab looking, the ancients were brown, dark brown and proven to look like the Ethiopians. The problem is ppl hear “black” and think we’re talking about 50 cent or Jay Z facial features. No, the ancients did not look like African Americans or west africans but the DID look like the beja people, northern Sudanese, Ethiopian, southern Egyptians. Brown and dark brown skin, soft black curly hair and narrow noses. Those are STILL black ppl. Black doesn’t just mean Kevin Hart lmao. If you want to know what race the ancient Egyptians were look up the “beja people” and “Marcus Samuelson”. The ancients WERE black, just not the kind of black you’re thinking of.,.
I'm white Hispanic and I remember this time on high school I was filling up this paper and I had to put what ethnicity I was and separately what race. For ethnicity I had to put Hispanic and for race I had to put white, I always find it funny how a lot of people in the US put Hispanics as its own race as if there weren't black, white, and mixed Hispanics.
As a person of African descent i respect this man and the take he has on racial matters very refreshing to see you have earned my support for your integrity and intelligence
@@16ClarkKent exactly and to be honest I’m sure this person is not black at all. They even got mad At Kevin heart for saying the ancient Egyptians were black. U can even find videos right here on TH-cam by white scholars who proved they were black
@16:00-17:30 as an Egyptian, this is pretty much how I'd break down the current population of Egypt. Regarding genetic continuity, I actually expect there to be a higher degree of continuity than suggested in the video, despite the Arab/Islamic conquest. This is probably due to the fact that Egypt was (and still is) by far the most populous land in the region, so the impact that a much smaller number of foreigners can have on the genetic makeup of the overall population is limited. This is supported by two facts/observations: (1) On average, current Egyptians have a slightly darker skin color than most other Arabs (the name used by Egyptians to describe that color is "wheatish"), and (2) Muslim and Christian Egyptians are virtually indistinguishable by appearance. The last point is significant, becuase unlike Egyptians who converted to Islam, Coptic Christians didn't intermarry with Arabs (at least not with Arab Muslims). So the homogenous appearance of the two religious groups suggests that there's a high degree of genetic continuity in my opinion.
I agree with anestistrgikas. With all that said, what kind of skin color are you proposing for ancient Egyptians (just to return to the point of the video)? Are you saying dark brown, black, or olive?
@@matthewheald8964I think ancient Egyptians looked pretty much like modern Egyptians. As the video creator says, the majority would have been brown/olive, some black, and some white.
Ok cool. I arrived at the same conclusion, but I was trying to make sure I understood you right. Also, a quick tip if I may; in English, “author” usually refers only to people who write books. For someone who makes a video, “content creator” would work or simply “creator of the video” or something like that. I like to know when I’m doing something wrong or just slightly off in my secondary languages (Spanish & Portuguese), but if you do things a little differently, that’s fine; just ignore that part. God bless!
@@metatronytI'm glad you know Cleopatra is Greek. You even show statues to prove your point. Do you know anything about ancient Egypt and what the actual native Pharoahs look like because you did not discuss any of the intermediate periods. The sphink has melanated features think lips you see that before you see anything on the walls. I thought you were going to go into detail witch you couldn't because ancient Egypt was not diverse during the first intermediate period. This video is so stupid it's like trying to say that the navies of America are mixed and diverse because we are now.
@@PrinceRahorakhty The Sphinx being used to say that old Egypt was black has been debunked by many academics. both ancient art and all else show old Egyptian pharaohs to have been brown and not much different from Egypt's later rulers. Sorry kangz, you gotta go steal another ancient civilization
@@ManiacMayhem7256 So what type of brown people please educate me because if you know anything about Egypt you know there was intermediate periods. I know during the second intermediate period the Hyksos went into power. So what culture of brown people created ancient Egypt was it the Assyrians the Greeks. Or are u upset that a melanated man ruled all of Egypt lol cause even in this video he can't go far back into history Cleopatra is the last Pharoah to rule Egypt and she is not even native Egyptian. You just sound like a racist.
@@ManiacMayhem7256 let me know when you care to discuss the first intermediate period because you guys know nothing. What I said had nothing to do with you and I have more evidence besides the sphink. I only used it because in the video he used a statue of Cleopatra to also prove his point. Wikipedia is a simple source anyone can use.
Finally, the truth emerged that the ancient Egyptians were not of the Negro race, I hope that these people will stop spreading rumors about the civilization of Egypt. I feel that next time there will be other rumors that the king of China was the pharaoh of Egypt
Quel rumeur?Les Egyptiens se représentaient en deux teints différent:Brun sombre que l'on voit dans la temple de Séti 1e et noir charbon comme dans la tombe de Ramsès 3.Le teints brun sombre est général au Africain, le noir charbon est le teint qu on trouve essentiellement au Soudan.Malgré tout les deux teints étaient présente en Egypte et en Nubie. th-cam.com/video/A8t3GEXHKyw/w-d-xo.html Pour les tests ADN: th-cam.com/video/A8t3GEXHKyw/w-d-xo.html
Egypt is so old... Cleopatra, Julius Caesar and even parts of the new Kingdom are closer to us today than the era of the "old Kingdom." It's hard to assume based on locale that over 1000s of years tht Egypt did NOT become more and more multiethnic. I wonder the ethnic contrast between the old, middle and new kingdoms... But not something I fall to sleep pondering
Yes cleopatra and Julius Caesar is a lot closer to us in history if you search the really old books it really shows who the people were , I think most people will be surprised if they new who started and produced the early technology
Exactly they came in the late era. This is just a white washed version to continually align this white supremacist world. Yes allot were European but it was in the last dynasties. Him choosing to began at this point is evil and intentional. Hes literally rewriting history with false info. It's like saying white people are native of the United States. Egypt was Research real ancient Egypt not this bs they are liers. So Africa is Europe. Ok... Also The land cannot be Black and not the People dude. We will all become awoken soon
@She belongs to the Skreets South why say that? They were actually there first. Black Man is everywhere first it would be no civilization without Black. If anyone question we are not ask them where are the European foot notes in history.
@@romejuan1033 Eastern Asia, Central America and Andes at least had their own cradles of civilization spur up completely independently. Other areas might have as well, but these are the most certain ones. I guess if you want to go all the way back to the origins of humanity you'll eventually reach Africa, but that's a completely different topic. Everything that makes us human, other than pure biology, can be traced to multiple origins independent of one another.
@@monicabolognini7962 Yes, but the Ptolemaic dynasty did not displace the native population the way Europeans did in North America, they only replaced a portion of the ruling elite. That is why I said it wasn't a perfect match. As I said in another comment for this video, I like to remind people that the last leaders of Egypt prior to Rome turning it into an actual province, were Greeks. (Or if you prefer, Macedonians)
I really would love to see the results after testing a plurality of mummies across each era of Egyptian history to see if there were even changes in appearance across dynasties. We're some prominent families vastly different in appearance? We're the elite more homogeneous? Did this change over time and by how much and when? These questions can lead to a baseline understanding of how thier culture functioned and where one could potentially move up the social/economic ladder. Knowing how similar in appearance to other empires they were might also help us understand how easy or difficult it might have been to blend such societies. We see an example in the Bible of Joseph being described as being mistaken for being an Egyptian. This means there must have at least been some level of similar appearance between a Jewish and Egyptian man from the perspective of a Hebrew family who spent a great deal of time outside.
I do remember reading a study at some point like this, where genetic variation between “upper” (the south) and “lower” (the north) kingdom mummies yielded results that showed more similar genetics between Nubian traits and the upper kingdom mummies while lower kingdom mummies were more common to modern day residents of Asia Minor. I cannot find it at the moment, unfortunately. Might be something to do some digging for, though.
I would point to other current ethnic groups with a similar African and Eurasian ancestry. Tuaregs, Eritreans, the Sudanese, Ethiopians, etc. All these cultures have deep African roots with hundreds to thousands of years of genetic mixing with “outsiders”. By today’s standards, Ancient Egyptians would be considered black but black to the same extent that someone like the rapper Drake is considered black. A lot of North East Africans aren’t black like Djimon Hounsou, but most people would consider them black. Before the pan-African movement, Ethiopians didn’t even consider themselves black. Black has been a very fluid term throughout history. Obama is considered black despite being half white. The average North East African is evenly split between native African ancestry and Near East ancestry. And as mentioned in the video, the population gets more “black” the farther south you go. Ancient Egypt was the same, as is modern Egypt. Google “people of Luxor” and it gives you an average view of what most Egyptians look and looked like. Hair texture even ranges from nearly straight on really dark individuals to being extremely curly on really light individuals. Any and all contemporary accounts of Egypt come from a time when Egypt had already been mixing for thousands of years. Mixed populations and their variety of physical characteristics are usually impossible to accurately represent in art, but the Egyptians did a pretty good job.
Sounds like Egypt was similar to the US as far as ethnic diversity. I find it amusing, albeit sad, that people think their skin color defines their identity. I am, as most people in the world nowadays, a decendant of several different ethnicities. Because I live in Texas, most people think I'm "Mexican" which is slightly understandable as I'm of Native American, Mediterranean and Europen ancestry, but none of the European is Spanish and none of the Native American is from the region that is Mexico.
Sigh… only in Hollywood. I’m so sick of how they distort everything. I’m very glad that the Egyptians are pushing back this time. Thanks for all your efforts in this video.
If you're looking to get educated by Hollywood you should be ashamed. Egyptians were Black before the white man and arab man came to learn. How do I know this? Simple Europeans started to Explore during the 15th century When were the pyramids built? Whites have Neanderthal DNA and Human DNA Blacks naturally have no Neanderthal DNA which means they traveled the world and interbred with Neanderthals to create a hybrid human species. Goto an Museum and pay attention to detail when looking at the different dynasties and you will see the art work/buildings change. Same with Gentrification. The people who lived there prior before all the chaos is no longer there. You won't get any of this information from Hollywood
By Egyptians, don't you mean Arabs? The modern country is called the Arab Republic of Egypt for a reason. The Arabs who are currently there invaded in the 7th century AD, long after the old civilization's demise. Subsequently, the Arabs have as much claim to the pyramids as the Spanish have to Manu Pichu in Peru.
@@jbuk4369 When the Arabs conquered Egypt, the Byzantine Empire was in power. By your logic, does that mean that all the Egyptians were Romans at the time? The people were still Egyptian. With the aid of the people the Arabs were able to quickly oust the Romans out of Egypt. Btw, the Arab army consisted of only around 4,000 men. Egypt at the time had a population of around 5 million. The majority of Egyptians accepted the faith of the Arabs and made Arabic their official language...how does that change their ethnicity? Look, Chad is a good example because most of the population is still black. They also did the same thing as the Egyptians, they took the faith of the Arabs and the Arabic language it didn't make them ethnically Arabs either. I'm talking about DNA here. It's really not that hard to understand.
Read you may learn something Greek + French philosophy admiting the original Egyptiam were black This list of quotes from ancient, near-recent, and recent scholars that have spoken truthfully on this topic: “Herodotus says: ‘The Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. They were black-skinned and have wooly hair’” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. xv). Diodorus of Sicily (90 BC - 30 BC) was a Greek historian that wrote the following: “The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies which was brought into Egypt by Osiris . . . . They add that from them, as from their authors and ancestors, the Egyptians get most of their laws. It is from them that the Egyptians have learned to honor kings as gods and bury them with such pomp; sculpture and writing were invented by the Ethiopians. The Ethiopians cite evidence that they are more ancient than the Egyptians” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 2). Herodotus asserts that “‘It is certain that the natives of the country [Egypt] are black with the heat” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 1). “The opinions of all the ancient writers on the Egyptian race is more or less summed up by Gaston Maspero (1846-1916): ‘By the almost unanimous testimony of ancient historians, they belonged to an African race [read: Negro]’ which first settled in Ethiopia, on the Middle Nile; following the course of the river, they gradually reached the sea’”’ (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 2). French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820) described the Sphinx as “‘typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says: ‘As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair . . . . ‘ In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 27). The French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820) Just think that this race of black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech! Aristotle says, “the Ethiopians and Egyptians are very black” (Ripples Nigeria, 2018). The French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820) described the Sphinx as “‘typically Negro in all its features’”(Diop, 1974/1955, p. 27). Upon learning that the ancient Egyptians were Black, French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820), remarks on how faulty it was to believe that Blacks were less intelligent than Whites. Volney states, “What a subject for meditation, to see the present barbarism and ignorance of the Copts, descendants of the alliance between the profound genius of the Egyptians and the brilliant minds of the Greeks! According to the African historian John G. Jackson, “there are many physical varieties of African peoples. [However,] the complex skin tones of Africans are mainly black and brown. Most of the light-skinned people in Africa today are latecomers and interlopers. They have later or no relationship to African ancient history. The Egyptians are a distinct African people. They did not originally come from Europe or Asia. Their history and their culture started in what is now Ethiopia and the Sudan” (Jackson, 2001, p. 6). Professor Manu Ampim on how ancient Egyptian sculptures are being de-Africanized: “When the artifacts in question were examined meticulously, I found that the methods used to change or damage the images are varied, and they include: subtly altering the shape of the nose on statues by using some type of tomb sanding device; adding on false noses; reshaping or completely destroying the face on temple and eliminating the paint on statues and paintings and thus making the images appear ‘white’; destroying the lower facial structure, particularly the chin and jaw area; putting in false bluish-gray inlaid eyes; plastering over temple images with White Portland Cement during ongoing ‘conservation’ work; and creating outright forgeries! These acts of fraud and deliberate destruction is what I call the handiwork of modern conspirators. I was stunned by such an angry, vicious, and widespread attack against Black images by the enemies of Classical African Civilizations” (Ampim, 2001). In his book, The Ruins of Empires (1791), French scholar, C. F. Volney wrote the following about the ancient Kemites (Egyptians), “There is a people, now forgotten, discovered, while others were yet barbarians, the elements of the arts and sciences. A race of men now rejected from society for their sable skin and frizzled hair, founded on the study of the laws of nature, those civil and religious systems which still govern the universe” (All Eyes on Media, 2013). When this text was translated from French to English and published in America, this line was taken out, as not to offend White-Americans. If the ancient Egyptians were White, there’s no way they would sculpt J. F. Champollion (19th century French Egyptologist) stepping on the head of this ancient Egyptian Pharaoh. The hate for the Black-African is despicable. This is why upon learning that the ancient Egyptians were Black, French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820) said the following: “Just think that this race of black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 28). References: All Eyes on Media. (2013, Nov. 16). Nile valley contributions to civilization - Anthony T. Browder [Video]. TH-cam. th-cam.com/video/OgXtA7Wyl_w/w-d-xo.html Ampim, M. (2001). The vanishing evidence of classical African civilizations: “A 2001 Update.” Africana Studies from the Primary Sources with Professor Manu Ampim. manuampim.com/update1.html. Diop, C. (1974). The African origin of civilization: Myth or reality. (M. Cook, Trans., Ed.). Lawrence Hill & Co. (Original work published 1955). Jackson, J .G. (2001). Introduction to African civilizations. Citadel Press. Ripples Nigeria (2018, Nov. 11). Europe and Americas stole and denied Africa’s civilization.” Graffiti. www.ripplesnigeria.com/europe-and-americas-stole-and-denied-africas-civilization
It is unfortunate that you got so many views on your lies. People please view videos from Know Thyself to get the truth. Bias based on race will not help you in any way, knowing the truth will save you while ignorance may just lead to your downfall.
One fact that I found most fascinating (and sometimes a little scary) about the Ancient Egypt is the fact that they were in fact... basically just a bunch of crazy obsessed bureaucrats. We always speak about the monuments, mummies, their gods etc., but a bunch of scolars will tell you that if you had the opportunity to speak to an Ancient Egyptian of what he believes is their greatest accomplishment, they will tell you one word - MAAT. Order. They really had an obsesion about writing every shit down, everything had to go through the chain of bureaucracy, took loads of time etc. And here we are, thousands of years later and the same tax official makes you wanna kill yourself because you didn't fill the right form. Some things never change, eh? Oh and skin color? If you were born there, spoke their language and worshipped their gods, you were good. Everyone else was basically inferior barbarian no matter the skin tone. Just like everywhere else in that time.
And Moses took that anal retentive trait with him to Israel and the Jews became law makers on paper. Then the Christians followed suit where the clergy copied the scriptures and that's where we get the word clerical.
Your projections have little basis in reality EXCEPT for your observations about MAAT. Kemit and all other members of the Previous Worldwide Civilization (including Atlantis for a time) constructed their 'interpretations of civilization' based on the 'Primordial Organizing Principle', Collective Empathy for All Spirits based on Expanded Perception of the One Law". Kemits' interpretation of Collective Empathy was expressed through the Ethical System called the "48 Affirmations of Maat". The 10 Commandments are a 'loose translation' of some of these Affirmations. In Kemit, EVERYONE WAS IN A PRIESTHOOD (until the invasions began around 670 BCE), and EVERYONES PRIMARY OBJECTIVE, was to transition to the next level of existence "Justified". Which meant that they adhered to the 48 Affirmations throughout their lifetime. The Queen, King and Everyone in a Priesthood PRIMARY OBJECTIVE was to uphold MAAT. The Builder Texts at Edfu Temple describes them as the "Blacksmiths of Edfu"...the Keepers of the Sacred Sciences of Zep Tepi (1st Time). The Winged Disc was their Symbol and an annual ceremony, held at EVERY Temple in Kemit and associated Temples across the planet, called "The Union of the Disc", which symbolized the union of the State with the Source of Kemitic Civilization, the "Anu from the Sah" (aka Constellation of Horus, Orion's Belt) These were the Advanced Beings (not gods) who first relayed to us several 'Great Years' ago (1 GY equals 25,920 solar years), the Primordial Organizing Principle, "Collective Empathy for All Spirits based of Expanded Perception of the One Law". They also relayed that Collective Empathy was embraced by innumerable life-forms across the "Omniverse", the web of 'universes' roughly equal in number to number of stars in our 'universe'. Most of whom are MILLIONS-OF-YEARS older than us.
How about a similar videos on the Carthaginians, specifically Hannibal? I feel like Phoenician culture is generally overlooked in mainstream history in favor of Roman and Greek civilization so our understanding of what they were really like is lacking. It’s allowed dubious claims to be made concerning their ethnicity, religion, and many other aspects of their society that we don’t fully understand.
Phonecians come from the levant and were a canaanite group very close to jews in genetics and language. For example i am a hebrew speaker and when I see the name Hannibaal, i read it as khein baal, khein חן means grace and baal was a canaanite god. Since jews are yhwhists they put ya at the end so it’s equivalent to the name chananiyah so you see the root of khein with the yhwh term at the end instead of baal.
Well done. It's like asking what does a Brazillian or Cuban look like. I also think that the typical Old Kingdom and New Kingdom Egyptian may have looked very different and as you said, differences would also be noticed depending on if they were in the North or South of Egypt. A very objective video. Thanks
The guy who owns this channel has never heard of the great debate on this matter that took place in 1974. It is called the 1974 UNESCO Conference. This took place in front of neutral observers and UNESCO. On one side were 18 so called scholars, consisting of mostly whites and arabs, on the other side were two Blacks, Theophile Obenga and the great Cheikh Anta Diop. IT WAS NO MATCH. If this was televised maybe we would not be here listening to nonsense, it was that lopsided and UNESCO said it was no match. To learn more here is a short video th-cam.com/video/qkwoym8CSPc/w-d-xo.html Remember, the owner of this channel is learning about this as you do, he had no idea or he would have mentioned it. People are acting like this is not AFRICA...
Except that a good percentage of the Brazilians and Cubans were descendants of European colonizers or shipped slaves and the indigenous people were distinguishable from Mordern Brazilians. So your argument holds little water
Ancient Egypt is a perfect example of how diverse and connected the whole ancient world actually was. Modern day people underestimate this level of connection and diversity.
True, alot of people today (especially those who barely know the history of their own country, let alone others) think that back in that Era every civilization was shut in from the world.
@@marcogenovesi8570 this has nothing to do with "SJWs". A small group of anti racist activists believe that ancient egypt was ruled solely by blacks. A lot of racists think they were all white. This is about history, not narrative.
My belief is if one seeks a legitimate source of pride, then earn or achieve something yourself. One thing that we all can agree on, is that the ancient Egyptians, not anyone else, can take credit for the accomplishments of their civilization. This desperation on the part of so many people to seek glory in the achievements of the various ancient civilizations seems ridiculous to me.
Nobody accuses Europeans of desperation when they discuss ancient Greek or Roman history. Why Africans are the only ones accused of it? For me it's alienation speeking. Historical exactitude does matter, without having to attach oneself to past civilizations. To Cesar what belongs to Cesar... or should we say, to Pharaoh.
@@hollyarandelovic1158"Africans don't even like African Americans"?! Talk for your racist self. "Africa... still has same issues killing each other" how rich coming from someone who is probably from the Balkans, which violently disintegrated itself. Or just take a look at Russia-Ukraine. Or at the World Wars, who started them? Deluded much... Also, who claimed all Africans were Egyptians? You need to develop some comprehension skills... and learn a bit more about your bloody (I mean that literally) history. And then learn African history (start by googling "human face" hieroglyph, Gardiner D2).
Don't we have a literal living example of what Native North Africans look like in Morocco? The Berbers are an ethnic group that never mixed with the Arab conquerors in the 6th century. And they are very distinct, but they are not sub-Saharan African. I would think Ancient Egyptians probably looked more like Berbers than anything.
I have read several articles on the DNA tests I am sure he mentioned in the video and they were compared both to modern day Turkish people and people of Morocco. What he didn't mention was the DNA was extracted from the teeth of the mummies tested which is a much more accurate ( and in some ways the only) way to test it because of the climate. It gives an extremely good picture of exactly what people in that area of Egypt looked like from 3 different dynasty's that spanned a couple thousand years
The Amazigh are native to the Sahara WEST of the Siwa Oasis. By the time the first dynasties in Egypt arose, the people were already mixed. There are current populations in Africa who display a similar genetic history as Egypt, only we can see them right now. Eritrea, Ethiopia, Djibouti, etc. are all populated by people with a nearly even split between indigenous North Eastern African decent and Near Eastern decent. They aren’t sub-Saharan, but most people would still consider them black. Ethiopians, for example, didn’t consider themselves black until the rise of the pan-African movement. Black is a fluid term. The rapper Drake and former President Obama are both mixed, yet society considers them black.
@@joalvarado8506 the case with Obama as well as Drake are mainly due to the old notion of the one drop rule in the US. Actually a lot more blacks have white ancestors than what they even realize here
@@josephskiles But this old notion sneaks its way into every day life without people realizing it. My point was that racially classifying someone is subjective. If we were to go by the DNA, Egyptians were mixed. But they would be considered black in today’s USA. Google “people of Luxor” for a great example of what Egyptians looked like and still look like. A variety of phenotypes ranging from “black” to middle-eastern, but the majority are dark with curly hair. They are easily distinguishable from “sub-Saharan Africans” but would still be considered “black” by most laymen. This was likely the initial point made by Afro-centrist before they lost their minds.
@@joalvarado8506 I am sorry but no they don't share a similar genetic history to Egypt. Watch the video 30 percent Greek and the Greeks are indistinguishable from the natives but by speech in some cities? Eritrea and Ethiopia never had that much Mediterranean colonization.
Lol, yea the south rewrote history to fit a "politically correct" narrative. Putin is re-writing the history of Urkaine to be "woke". It's the 21st century, our history isn't being rewritten, it is being filled in and changing formats (like from books to TH-cam documentaries). It is ironic the same people trying "re-write history" hate political correctness and use that very argument to justify their re-writing of history.
@@sunkings5972 Literally nobody who's against political correctness would condone or agree with re-writing history. But you making that claim proves which tribe you belong to.
So cleopatra was Greek… they need to stop calling Greeks ancient Egyptians and claiming the history or ancient Egypt. 1. The way to find out the race of ancient Egyptians. We need to look at the earliest Egyptians. How Egyptians look now, how they cleopatra looked is irrelevant. 2. Greeks where the first to properly document history (to western standards). The Greeks wrote on several occasions that the Egyptians where black with woolly hair. So the earliest concrete written evidence clearly state that the Egyptians were black. The red herrings (Kemet, colors or the paintings etc)
Greeks NEVER said Egyptians were "Black". Word Herodotus used - melanchores - means simply "dark" aka "darker 👨🏾 than average Greek 👨🏼" Herodotus said they were like Colchians, "dark skinned and curly haired". But Colchians aren't Black Africans - they were Caucasians of brown complexion 🧑🏾🧑🏾 who were ancestors of modern Georgians. Stop spreading nonsens! Herodotus specifically said Egyptians were NOT Black. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 correction “wooly hair”… what race has woolly hair? Disagree? post your source I myself guessed it, partly because they are dark-skinned and woolly-haired; - Herodotus Hdt. 2.104 Who would that describe? What other race has wooly hair throughout the whole race?
@@Marcus-kn4mb "Wooly" ies synonymous of CURLY. It is matter of perception. Some people view dark blond as light brown and to some very curly hair appear "wooly". That does not mean person is Black. It is simply matter of assesment. Also, Zahi Hawass or Selima Ikram hair could be decsribed as "wooly" 👨🏽🦳👩🏽🦱 and neither of them is Black. They are both native Egyptians. You still didn't adressed elephant in room - that is Herodotus compared Egyptians to COLCHIANS who are NOT Black Africans.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518Curly and wooly are to different things. I’m quite sure they could distinguish curly from wooly hair. As Greeks had curly hair themselves. So show me a Greek in ancient times who considered curly hair wooly. Make that make sense please?
In short the ancient Egyptians were multi ethnic but mostly comprising of what we would call middle eastern and North African. But also some black African and Southern Europeans (romans and greeks) thrown into the mix. But foreign populations after a few generations had got genetically assimilated into the native population. So ancient native Egyptians probably didn’t look too different from modern day Egyptians.
@@viciousv9671 no, you're mad over scientific facts and in strong denial. You know, reality isn't always black or white. Metatron did a good job explaining how ancient egypt was multicultural and inhabitated by different ethnicities. If you refuse to accept that, you're making a clown of yourself, just like those flat earthers. You won't change the truth with your stubborness. Truth doesn't care about your wishful thinking.
That's exactly what it is. Not just with Egypt, they also talk about black carthaginians, black romans, black moors... it's a story about a race of people in America that after centuries of slavery, opression, was finally free and wanted to explore their own pasts, only to discover their race was pretty irrelevant in the story of the rise of human civilization, and their most notable contribution was being slaves of others. Which is why they started appropriating various other cultures dating back to the start of human civilization.
Basically: Cleopatra was from an extremely inbred Greek dynasty, so she almost certainly looked Greek. Egypt is at the crossroads of three continents, so you would see a lot of different types of people there, from very white Gauls to dark black Nubians. Egyptians themselves probably looked like what modern Egyptians look like: Varied but mostly fairly tan. However, there was at least one Egyptian dynasty, the 25th, of Nubian origin that was very dark skinned.
@@viciousv9671 Actually what Herodotus said is usually translated like this : "the Egyptians said that they considered the Colchians part of Sesostris' army. I myself guessed it, partly because they are dark-skinned and woolly-haired; though that indeed counts for nothing, since other peoples are, too;" Now, Colchians were a people of the Black Sea, more or less modern Georgia. And though Goergians aren't like Swedish, they are not black. The are simply white with kinda dark skin and black hair. The word used is " μελάγχροες"(melaghroes) which is like the modern Greek term for women with black hair, melaghroines. For example Gal Gadot is melaghrini. That's preety much it. Also, it's not "wooly-haired" but basically curly hair.. Modern Egyptian footballer Salah has black curly hair and quite a dark skin too, alluding to an Arab ancestry too, but in any case that's pretty damn close to the description of Herodotus. Now, if you think that Georgians such as Stalin were black ok. But otherwise, keep in mind you're using a bad translation. Ancient Egyptians are described like the Colchians.
@@jackdonith that’s outdated ! He said the Egyptians AND Ethiopians then gave the same description if we follow ur logic Ethiopians aren’t black either 🤨
What sucks is that this is mainly an EMOTIONAL argument, which typically means there's no convincing these people otherwise. Ignorance is bliss............for them.
Wow after having watched your video about Jesus' appearance a while ago, this very topic jumped to my mind and I'm so glad you made this. One time I had googled this out of curiosity and yeah, just as you said, various eurocentric and afrocentric groups would have animated discussions which just left me more confused than anything. In the end I always assumed they were various shades of brown, but damn am I glad that finally there's an educated and factual explanation that clears things up without bias and without the implication of "nuh uh, we are the real descendants" as if that even mattered in the slightest 🙄
@@metatronyt Hi Mediterranean would you be willing to set up a live stream with me to discuss this topic? I think we could have a really good exchange, I think it would be worth your while.
@@metatronyt Your video ignores Ancient Greek Historiography, including peoples that have interviewed The Builders of The Pyramids; for Ancient Greek Historiography reports/records that The Builders of The Pyramids are a proper subclass of nA nHsw m tA nHsw: "They say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris having been the leader of the colony. For, speaking generally, what is now Egypt, they maintain, was not land but sea when in the beginning the universe was being formed; afterwards, however, as the Nile during the times of its inundation carried down the mud from Ethiopia, land was gradually built up from the deposit. Also the statement that all the land of the Egyptians is alluvial silt deposited by the river receives the clearest proof, in their opinion, from what takes place at the outlets of the Nile; for as each year new mud is continually gathered together at the mouths of the river, the sea is observed being thrust back by the deposited silt and the land receiving the increase. And the larger part of the customs of the Egyptians are, they hold, Ethiopian, the colonists still preserving their ancient manners. 4 For instance, the belief that their kings are gods, the very special attention which they pay to their burials, and many other matters of a similar nature are Ethiopian practices, while the shapes of their statues and the forms of their letters are Ethiopian; for of the two kinds of writing which the Egyptians have, that which is known as "popular" (demotic) is learned by everyone, while that which is called "sacred" is understood only by the priests of the Egyptians, who learn it from their fathers as one of the things which are not divulged, but among the Ethiopians everyone uses these forms of letters. Furthermore, the orders of the priests, they maintain, have much the same position among both peoples; for all are clean who are engaged in the service of the gods, keeping themselves shaven, like the Egyptian priests, and having the same dress and form of staff, which is shaped like a plough and is carried by their kings, who wear high felt hats which end in a knob at the top and are circled by the serpents which they call asps; and this symbol appears to carry the thought that it will be the lot of those who shall dare to attack the king to encounter death-carrying stings. Many other things are also told by them concerning their own antiquity and the colony which they sent out that became the Egyptians, but about this there is no special need of our writing anything." - The Library of History: Book III - Chapter 3.1 - 3.7 by Diodorus Siculus Further: "Since, to bear witness ourselves, during the time of our visit to Egypt, we associated with many of its priests and conversed with not a few ambassadors from Ethiopia as well who were then in Egypt; and after inquiring carefully of them about each matter and testing the stories of the historians, we have composed our account so as to accord with the opinions on which they most fully agree." - The Library of History: Book III - Chapter 11.4 by Diodorus Siculus Thus, here we have Ancient Historiography observing that both The Priest-Historians of Kamit and The Ambassaors from Ta-Seti recognize that The Builders of The Pyramids are nA nHsw.
@@metatronyt Further, The Builders of The Pyramids also have depicted their persons in The Selfsame Hues as nA nHsw m tA nHsw. Thus, your video is promulgating a Revisionist History here.
Egypt is at the Ross Roads Between The Middle East and Africa. And there has all ways been a lot of Trade and travel from all over the Mediterranean Sea Coast. There were many of all Skin colors and Peoples, of Who there were many descendents of multi races. So the answer is, Egyptians were not all black. only a part of the people group.
It’s ridiculous that someone is so offended by a concept that they don’t want to learn or risk having their preconceptions disproved. Cleopatra was from the Ptolemaic(descended from Alexander the Great’s general Ptolemy) so yeah, she’s at least partially Greek and probably raised with that culture.
Egypt was invaded and taken over by the time cleopatra was queen Egypt was taken over by Macedonia.... before those times much longer ago Egypt was black ....
@@tobiasisrael3758 You... Do know that Alexander never invaded egypt itself, right? It was part of the old ancient empire that Alexander toppled and took over
@@tobiasisrael3758 not everyone in the world thinks in silly american black/white nonsense. your country is not the only place in the world you know. I'm french caucasian, yet my father was born in algeria, his father was from argentina, and yet, being of mediterranean extraction, I am considered black in the north of my country. I'm often approached by magrehbis as though I am african, and have had to learn darija to let them know that I have no arabic as they switch to this default when they realise that I do not understand them. for such a cosmopolitan country, I find americans peculiarly insular. I find it more amusing that black americans are considered 'american invaders' in the majority of subsaharan africa. they do not see you as african. never forget that the USA only has one colony, one that was created in 1820, by subscription. the irony is that this colony is responsible for internicine war in the region since it's founding. I know , I know, "see! you whitey blah blah blah!" the country of Liberia, was founded by The Black American Colonial Society. you had to be a *free black man* to subscribe.
The ancient Egyptian were the forefathers of the Sudanese they were hamites the land of mizraim which were the son of ham the land of Egypt was a inheritance given to a hametic nation of dark skin origin
Omg I lived this argument and it's craziness in a forum thread. It's nice to see this explained so well. I got tons of crap for saying what the video is saying and especially for even suggesting they weren't fully black.
I am considered black In my family dna black is a mixture of Hebrew, west African coastline tribes, Spaniards, and Irish, due to the slave trade. Some Pharoahs were dark Afficans and some were brown from Egypt. Either way the Pharoah's were of color.
So because they were "of colour" you people feel you have the right to claim ownership over an entire culture, I guess White people can claim Japanese culture because the Japanese have White skin then.
@@kernal1127 Egypt is messed up now because it has totally turned white. Little by little they have lighten the Egyptians. Now this is what they are trying to do it to America. You are very strategic people. You don’t just do things without knowing the outcome. Your outcome for America is to deplete the black population by lightening them. You open the floodgates and pay people to marry black peoples solely to get rid of them. That is the story of Egypt. The white man was welcome into a black Africa and then turn against the blacks there and start lightening up the whole land. There obviously was a lot of colorists and racist White people there in a black land. You should have stayed in Europe because you brought with you hate, discrimination, imperial attitude and destruction.
The Nubian Pharaohs were indisputably Black. Nubian or Kushite Pharaohs: other, common name of the pharaohs of the Twenty-fifth dynasty, which originally ruled the Nubian kingdom of Napata. They ruled over Egypt from the late eighth century to 666 BCE.
Not 100% sure if you're trying to make a point here. Yes the Nubians ruled for a short time in Egypt. Just like Cleopatra for example, she was not the same ethnicity as the people she ruled over.
@@morningstarxiv342 simply sharing knowledge. Either learn from it and grow or ignore it and remain untutored. But there's no need for taking an adversarial tone or attempting to debate. I'm sure there were several people who appreciated me sharing bcz prior to, they'd never known.
Black doesn’t mean much tbh, yes they would’ve been considered black by modern standards but that doesn’t mean they’d be related in any way to west Africans in fact they would’ve been most closely related to modern Nubians, Ethiopians, Somalis etc.
@@gemitulcacma7986 unlike people from Somalia , Ethiopia and the others in the horn of Africa that are cushites , Nubians have a similar look to that of majority of sub Saharan Africans. In fact they tend to be quiet dark
Nubia was never a country, but a region. Part of Upper Egypt was part of the Nubian region at the first cataract. White media is meant to deceive you. The culture started from the south and push north. It is on the Narmer Palette. By presenting Nubia as a country they get to separate the natives who fled the invasion and resettled south. Ever wonder why the Kemet army was black soldiers? The media tried to spin it as recruited mercenaries. This guy in the video is still not speaking the truth and using those ceremonial red ochres (males) and yellow ochres(females) as representative of skin color. Google the ochres as they still use them in ceremonies in neighboring countries.
Egyptians, Israelites, Olmecs, Moors, Native Americans, Aztecs, European Royalty, etc. They claims to be everyone EXCEPT Sub-Saharan africans. Because... well, you know why.
Interestingly, the agricultural land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers was known historically as the Sawad (black). Not because the Iraqis were black but the soil was black due to its richness and fertility. This has been well documented in various historical writings at the time and is why there is not the same arguments for Iraqis being black Africans.
Probably because Iraq does not have a huge black culture in the country today leaving people wondering where did they come from. Or Maybe because of the history of other African tribes ruling Egypt at different times through it's history. Or the likely chance that during all the time of its rule marriages with other African tribes would have occurred.
@@pheleekseh1391 Nubia means gold from the Egyptian "nbw" as it was a region known for gold production. Ethiopia does mean "burnt face" referring to the color of the people, but it is of Greek origin and refers to a region much larger than the country known by that name today. The Hebrews called it Cush. The words are essentially foreign as the people who lived there during that time did not refer to themselves by those names.
At least the Egyptians were actually in Africa, there are genuinely people out there who believe that the "true" Irish were actually black and that the Celts in Ireland were sub Saharan African. As an Irishman this doesn't offend me, it just confuses me to the point that I have to sit down and contemplate how the education system has failed these people
Egyptian still declare as part of the Mediterranean and middle east too
There are even those who say the Vikings were black.
Really, what the holy fack?
woke teachers that what caused it
Seriously, who comes up with this bs??? Irish and Celts are black???? 🤣
If I remember correctly, her father and brother-husband didn't even speak Egyptian and she was the first in the family to bother learning it. She was absolutely Greek.
You can be black born in Greece
@@pariskay2566 Not 2000 years ago you couldn't.
I want to know why you believe that and who tolf you that you couldn't?
@@pariskay2566 History, anthropology, and reality.
but im asking why do you believe that? Cuz if people could travel to other countries thousands of years ago why couldn't ppl be born in other lands or countries. Like I'm not understanding. Like most you don't want to admit that she was a Greek african
I appreciate the detailed and honest way you handled this topic. Half my family has European features and half has African features so I would have to admit my bias for the African side if I had been doing the above research. But this is where scientific method comes into play--which is meant to keep me from skewing my results with my bias. So thanks for your clear vision and professionalism!
That filthy part of u is talking,there a video that debubked all of his and much more evidance, u probaly aint got black in u
Look up Mr Imotep. Don't be a dickhead.
DNA results indicate that the ancient Egyptians were even whiter than today's Egyptians
@@uuuuuuuu-ko8cr Bollocks.
@@uuuuuuuu-ko8cr They're pretty white in present day. Whiter than this and you get fake Egyptians with roman blood. lol
This comment section is still going off. Afrocentric comedy gold.
Ok, Jacob 🥱
@Solur Ok, Solur☠
I swear afrocentrics are so sad, but even worse is the damage they cause.
@Nin10dofan8 what they don't realize is that they DO have an history to be proud of. I also hate having to say "they" after all its all human history, all accomplishments made by the same species.
I'm with you and stand on the evidence to date. That is until further research proves otherwise, of course. Research outside the scope of ancient mummies (which only speak to a particular social strata from a particular region rather than your every day Egyptian) would be a wonderful beginning.
Noooooo
The ancient Egyptians were either white blonde and blue eyed ARYANZ TM or black curly haired big lipped KANGZ TM
There are no other possibilities
@@theactionman8403 Yeah and the Chinese and Native American Mayans were red head Caucasians
@@mikejake3136 ironically, Ramses II (The Great) was a redhead. His family was not of royal blood at first and came from the Delta, though he is not white. Egypt lasted for millenia and would be a melting pot rather than a homogenous people at that point
@@mikejake3136 nah my brother the ancient Chinese were in fact black. The real native Americans were black. Abraham Lincoln was actually black. The man who invented the lightbulb was black. The ancient Romans were black. Everyone who has ever done anything impressive or noteworthy was black. Then the devil himself came in and ruined everything. That’s the truth. My source is a five hour TH-cam video made by a guy whose username is
“real_truths-awakened_followerofYeshua100”
The ancient Egyptians in the earlier stages of Egypt were definitely BLACK but as time went on different kingdoms ruled Egypt.
Herodotus described Egyptians as dark skinned with wollyhair like their neighbours to South the Kushites. Unlike present day Europeans Herodotus had no agenda or racial Bias, he just simply described what he saw and what he thought of the people he encountered.
The group that calls itself the "Foundational Black Americans" has a founding member, Tarique Nasheed, who also released the "Hidden Colors" movie series. Searching for any of those will give you a taste of just how bizarre some of the claims are. In light of current events, it would appear that they plan on rewriting history in the future, and we must make sure that doesn't happen.
Tariq Nasheed is an absolute bell end
@@scottydu81 Is he the dude who refers to pretty much all white people he mentions as "suspected white supremacist" so and so?
@@blackhawks81H Da
We're in a stupid culture war and: "In war, truth is the first casualty."
It's what I would expect, really. When we look at the world map, we can see a sort of gradient of skin tones as you go from one location to another (e.g. from europe -> middle east -> africa), and so it makes sense to expect that, given the geographical location of Egypt, that the skin tones would be somewhere between the dark African tones and the olive Middle Eastern ones, and perhaps with a pinch of white from Europe. That's what I would expect even if they weren't multi-ethnic.
They were obviously all black before Greece and other places invaded, after that they were probably mixed race, if you know any mixed people they have more “white” features which is why their statues look how they look, rihanna actually would be good to play cleopatra, if rihanna had a ancient statue of her some would say she was white
@@soulunbound4882 I'm curious, what makes it *_"obvious"_* that they were all black before?
@@skaruts that there was a time before contact with other civilizations and in that time they were all black
@@soulunbound4882 ok, but that's a given. You're not explaining what makes it obvious that were all black.
@@soulunbound4882 You're going to need evidence if your assertion is to gain any credible purchase. You don't have evidence that the Nile valley was all black. In fact, being at the crossroads it is improbable.
If the truth offends some people, let them be offended. I love this man.
Those offended by the truth are satisfied living the lie.
Yep! I agree. Love Metatron's research! (Thank you, sir!!)
Then why don’t you marry him.
Oh wait..
Truth offends the liars. Simple as that.
It’s like that with stand up comedy now, it’s a shame most people aren’t so understanding.
Never take anyone seriously as a “historian” if they don’t know that cleopatra was Greek.
and ironically the only one of her dynasty that even bothered to learn the native egyptian language
Greek Descended. She was Egyptian.
And never take anyone seriously who says he can read Greek and Latin yet doesn't know that the Greeks UNIFORMLY STATED that the Kemites were Black. Of course, the Ptolemies and the 7 Cleopatras were White. It's also a fact that they were invaders, not true Queens and Kings of Kemit, as they routinely participated in anti-Maat activities, like that weird 'man/boy thing', and incest, that is still practiced by many of those who you venerate today.
pah, jokes on you, Cleopatra was actually Russian. If it wasn't for those pesky Romans she would've been runnin Ukraine with her Chinese husband Marc Antony.
@@coolcat1530 "Greek Descended. She was Egyptian."
Touché
. So let me ask you this.... Many of Nicola Tesla's inventions were invented in America after he got his citizenship. Are those inventions American or Serbian? There's actually a hot debate on this, so what say you?
There are even blacks who claimed ancient China & Japan, Mexico, India, Cambodia (Angkor Wat), Mynamar (Bagan Ruins), Thailand, Indonesia etc... this is just too funny! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No Way……
But....dna doesn't lie.
@@trees8240
Which DNA?! There have nothing be proven regarding DNA, Chromosomes etc..Tell me a source!
Go look up the first 4 dynasty’s of Egypt
@@scs2850
What about it? I looked it up a million times so whats your point and on top of that i mentioned other empires aswell that blacks claim.
Hundreds of years of archaeological excavations , tons of artifacts , millions of people who have given their whole lives to this topic , billions of printed publications and books of inceclopedias , museums
Netflix
BUT YES, I have to ignore it all because grandma told her granddaughter that Cleopatra is BLACK
The Greek and Roman historians all said the ancient Egyptians are blk with woolly hair
@@IsraeliteJudhite No they didn't. Look at the mummy portraits. None are sub Saharan
@bumble-bee the archaeologist and historians you’re talking about falsified history, and had they not falsified history they would not be published because at that time European governments funding there research did not want to hear that Egyptian was black.
Cheikh Anta Diop
@@TonyFontaine1988
"Look at the mummy portraits"
Like Mentuhotep II, Intef VII and Amenmesse?
What really sucks is that the people who get mad about this probably don't know anything about Egyptian history other than that Cleopatra was a person who existed. Because instead of shooting themselves in the foot, they might be pleasantly surprised to learn there were in fact black pharaohs ( The Nubian Dynasty / 25th Dynasty ) from Kush. Cleopatra just wasn't one of them.
@@josephskiles I also believe it's because too many people hold too much pride in regards to the color of their skin. As a white man, if I see another white person accomplish something great, in the now or in the past, I don't think to myself, "wow, look at what we can do", rather I think, "wow, look at what that person did". It's good to look up to people, but far too many nowadays think that just because they share the same skin color of someone who did something really great or terrible, somehow makes them of the same caliber. It's just people looking too deep into things, which is unhealthy imo.
They don't even know that Κλεοπάτρα is literally a Greek word. Why would native Africans name their children using Greek names? lol.
And the go to England or Vikings and say they were black. I mention the Mali Empire or other African empires with cool armor and they stare blankly.
@@als3022 Yeah, pretty sad that they try to make some non-black historical figure black instead of being proud of the actual black figures
They are just repeating what they were told by the establishment ideologues.
As a Black man; I've literatelly been having this argument with black people for years on end.
I've met several people from Africa, and I can tell you that not all african's are black. I have a coworker that calls herself black and is from morocco, but she has red hair and light skin and when she wears a blonde wig she passes as white. I've met people from Ethiopia that are black but lighter than me.
Egypt has had different rulers of different skin colors all throughout it's history. And its absolutely asinine to just assume that everyone from Africa is automatically "black.." I've never understood how that was even possibily, or made remote sense..
I could go on and on ranting but thank you for making this video.
Thank you very much sir for your nice comment
@@metatronyt I'm a long time fine of yours .
Not gonna lie I was iffy cause theres tons of "historians." On TH-cam but after finding out that you taught yourself hebrew and latin and did your research better than most people I was sold.
@@joshbuddha6112 I’m glad to hear and it’s a pleasure to have you in the community
Yes, that's the point. Being a Black African according to the genetic/ethnic category doesn't mean you have to be as black as coal. We have SSA people that are pretty fair.
@@joshbuddha6112 What's kind of funny is that, historically, (at least in 19th century scientific circles) Ethiopians and Somalians were considered Caucasian, as Caucasians were separated into three sub groups, Aryans (Indo-Europeans), Semitics (Arabs, Jews, Assyrians), and Hamitics (people from the Horn of Africa).
We wuz kangs!
I love that "black land" refers to the flooding of the Nile, in every single way, the Nile is always central to everything. It's even 'visible' in Upper and Lower Egypt! Upper Egypt is down south, Lower Egypt is up north. This doesn't mean Egyptians are stupid for not using out maps. But water always flows from high to low. So Upper Egypt was on a higher elevation than Lower Egypt.
Upper Egypt is literally up
Who is to say that North can't be down in a map? East was up for the longest time. Which is where we get our word 'orientate', which means to turn the map up towards the Orient. But that said, yes, upper Egypt was literally higher up than lower Egypt.
THEY were NOT black, they were NOT white. They were BROWN, and they were a Semitic ethnic group...
Yes, terms and meanings change over the years. Just like here, "A well-regulated militia" has nothing to do with the Army. At the time, the militia was anyone old enough to carry a gun and turn out for maneuvers. And "People" meant a collective of the individual.
@@stephenturner757 While valid, that's besidse the point here. The point isn't that tthe "right way=north is up", but that the Nile was so important to them they even named their lands based on whether it was up or down the Nile. They coudl've used any other naming convention: based on a ruling peoples or dynasty, based on the resource or trade coming from there, the life you can find there, myths, anything... but they chose the Nile.
As someone that's black, I appreciate this video a lot. I know too many ppl in my community that weaponize their afrocentric rhetoric to silence dissent. Even in the face of genuine, scientific and historic evidence (evidence which they would usually use some bullshit oppression conspiracy to hand wave away).
Most importantly, I also appreciate your disposition in being willing to possibly update your views, if new genuine data were to come to light in the future (a mark of a true academic and intellectual, as opposed to just a basic ideologue)
Love your channel, been a fan for a while. Proud to support you. Can't wait for more content. Keep standing for truth and supported reason.
(and congrats on your recent wedding, I wish the best for you and your wife)
I really don't get their logic it's not like black people didn't achieved something , black people also built impressive civilisation like the Mali sultanate and the Ethiopian kingdom and the kingdom of kush, why do they overlook these impressive civilisation and appropriate civilisations of others
@@hussienbintalal91 yep, agreed. quite sad state of affairs.
@Chris G maybe the common people don't know much about African history i don't blame them , but i blame people who make movies that instead of making movies about black history (like a movie about mansa Musa for example), they just put black people in whatever setting even when it's inaccurate and misleading
@Chris G good point
I agree that Cleopatra wasn't white tho she would have had significant (maybe over a quarter) Persian genes from dynastic marriages.
6:24 I'll counter to this by saying but do we tho? Do we really know what we mean when we say "he Ancient Egyptians were Black". Like Ignore the crazies on twitter for a second, what is Black?. Because while some people might be picturing Robert Mugabe as the stereotypical Black, the Skin tones and Facial structures of what is considered Black can differ alot.
For example the people in th-cam.com/video/DGofahvHDSg/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/hlqECzsvwVU/w-d-xo.html (from 1:03) would be both considered black but both have fairly bright skin tones and the later is 100% SSA. So if the ancient Egyptians looked like the later, would they not still be Black?
6:52 As I said before, you don't have to look like that handsome man to be Black, you can look like either of the people I gave examples of from in the links and still be considered Black. This might be a weird concept for Europeans(I don't know) but is the norm for Americans whose racial categories are to be used as they are the origin of this debate.
7:57 True, they did consider themselves lighter than the southerners but also significantly darker than the Northerners who were in the Levant and a Mediterranean skin tone people. So at least they were darker than Mediterraneans.
10:35 I disagree on this Tan hypothesis. Being brighter skin is generally considered a favourable characteristic among women from modern Nigeria to Ancient Japan to early modern Europe; Its isn't like Egyptians uniquely worked the field everybody did so why the the Libyans and Asiatics not share similar Tans; Why was similar darker and lighter tans used for ALL women and men respectively.
I am pretty sure Tanning played a role but it seems to me to be minor to Egyptians conceptualization to women being lighter and men being darker that got exaggerated in art, after all, their work is highly stylized and the Asiatics and Libyans that would have been in the Sun similarly as long were shown even fairer than the women.
10:58 A Nubian's skin colour is gonna be "Black", yes, in looking like your example for the average black skin tone but even black people Tan. I work in a hospital and you can see the clear difference between Black people's faces being much more darker than their chest that is always covered in modern dressing during a physical. Same between the palm and upper arm.
14:11 Fine, no perfect continuity but Egypt's history is very well documented. We can do an analysis that Identifies the DNA admixed from Romans, Greeks, Persians, Berbers, Arabs etc. exclude that from the final Analysis, find the oldest genetic component which I assume would be 99%+ the same as Ancient Egypt and analyse that to show where they land in SSA and West Eurasian admixture.
14:44 This video by Christopher Ehret th-cam.com/video/S_DD4nmyoss/w-d-xo.html argues against this study or a similar one by the location of the samples being from places that from the historical record we should expect that the recorded migrants from the Levant would have settled. Also such a study could just validate the many out of Egypt origin story myth that exists for many peoples from the Scots to the Bamun to the Jews, neither of which have been disproved beyond a reasonable doubt.
15:50 Which is every likely given you yourself accept the highly multi-ethnic nature of ancient Egypt.
16:15 The problem is that the North was where the vast majority of Egyptians lived so if the South was majority Black, they could just be treated as insignificant.
The stuff about how after a few generations only langauge could tell apart can be resolved by miscegenation occurring, not Greeks getting Tanned to looking like Ancient Egyptians.
Its funny that egypt still exist and egyptians are still living there with the same colors in the same locations let alone the drawings and writings on the walls still exist.. Then few people come along with a dilusional idea of stealing their heritage.. And doesnt even feel ashamed.. The world is becoming a weird place Wtf 😂... Egyptians were and are egyptians, book a flight and get to meet them in person. And thanks for the honest work in this video.
The funny part is that Afrocentrists say that the invader Greeks turned the Egyptians into white or light skinned peoples, but yet argue Cleopatra had to be black because Egypt is in Africa. They can’t have it both ways!
Egypt does not exist, "native Arabic" name of Egypt is Misr. Moreover, Egyptians do not exist either. People that you call Egyptians are Arabs nowadays. That's like equating Americans to American natives.
@@invoker7826 Coptic Egyptians would not be Arabs. Unless, you are saying that when Arabs spread Islam into Egypt some of those Arabs instead became Christians?
@@Tiber2017 Coptic Egyptians form like 10% of Egypt. What about the 90% who are Arabs and Muslims?
And Egypt's official name is "Arab Republic of Egypt"
@@invoker7826 The remaining 90% aren’t all Arabs either. A lot of them are native Egyptians. Modern Egyptians are the descendants of ancient Egyptians. Ancient Egyptians didn’t just disappear. They remained living in Egypt to this day.
What gets me is when black Americans claim to be the descendants of the Hebrew slaves of the Exodus and then say in the same breath that they were the Ancient Egyptians too. They need to pick one. They can’t be both. Also, it grinds my gears when they claim to be the Ancient Celts and the original Native Americans. Like, bruh.
Only bigots talk like you.
Just to show your ignorance (Ignoring the facts) I will show you this right off the net. You mentioned the Celtic
Was the Celts a black person?
The ancient Celts and Vikings were Black people. The Celts were originally Black people. Ephorus (c. 405BC) claimed that the Celts were Blacks or Ethiopians (1)The Celts continued to be recognized as Blacks by Tacitus, who wrote about the Black Celts and Picts in 80 AD . (2)
Where do you think Black Irish came from?
Here is a real indigenous American look.
i.pinimg.com/originals/c1/03/fb/c103fb893c94fa0f99c993b47f8689a3.jpg
You are dismissed.
Tbf it makes sense when you consider how long black people have been enslaving other black people for.
My Grandparents live in a very small village on the mountains of Cyprus. My Grandmother was pale in skin tone , my Grandfather was very dark brown, but that’s because he was always outside, while she was inside. If you didn’t know them you would have thought they were two different races.
Only if you're racist
My grandpa as a child was the "black" kid at school. We have no idea where his great-grandfather (who was also dark skinned) was from. We thought he might be aboriginal, because of the typical facial features, but we honestly have no idea. But if you look at my grandpa now, you'd say he is an Australian with a dark tan. But looking at that photo of him as a kid, you'd swear he was some sort of African/Aboriginal decent, because he was very dark.
The rest of my family also tan very easily - though no one is as dark as he was. Should he go out and claim brownie points, because of his dark skin? Ridiculous.
Then there is me, I am as white as a snowflake (in two generations, we went from dark-skinned to pale-skinned, all on the account of my father's heritage being European). I can't claim aboriginal heritage because I pass as white, not that I would anyway, but you know other's would for victimhood points.
So I agree with you. Race is a nothing burger. Culture and Heritage you can claim is more significant. The colour of your skin, doesn't define were you are from, hell like you said, you can be of the same race, but because one is "darker" thus you must be different. The human race is literally a mutt breed. We are from everywhere! Race means nothing!
@@TheOriginal_Unaleska this.the problem when it comes to Egypt is that we are looking at it with American social lens.if u were in the USA in the fifties you'd be black coz of one drop rule.see how this shit is confusing
Ya! My archeologist father was what we call wheaty brown cause of his work in saqara
Exactly the same thing we have in Egypt, especially in the villages, where the men farmers are dark brown and the women are pale white, and some of the women who go out to work in the fields during harvest seasons are light brown in color.
I am born as Egyptians, and i switch from white (winter) to dark brown (summer with many weeks of sun on the beach)
And it is common knowledge in Egypt that we are closer to middle/eastern teraradian in skin tone.
You are not the ancient Khemites who are indigenous. You are the Egyptians who are the Hkysos, Greeks, Romans, Turks Europeans and what you call Arabs.
Think what you like, and then there is the truth. If they are pink to you, then they are to your ignorant mind. Have a great sun hour.
You are people are not Ancient Egyptiams stop bring delusional..You Arabs are a bunch of Muslims who invaded
@@amonone399 Sub-saharans has nothing to do with ancient or modern Egyptians.
Egyptians are north africans.
Not all africans are black.
Exactly! As a Malay from Malaysia; this concept is not hard to understand on human ethnic groups who carries phenotype skin tones that ranges from fair to tan. What you described applies to Europeans and Arabs as well. But for some reason Jada Pinkett Smith and even some Americans literally take the term “white” and “black” as a factual indication of ethnicity 🙄
These “black Egyptians” were Nubians/Kushites and lived further down the Nile. They had a similar religion and had a kingdom of their own and even had their own pyramids. Yet these people like to claim that Egypt was a black civilisation because it is the more well-known out of the two.
There is always cultural exchanges present, especially with two very politically connected entities like Kush and Egypt. As each group interacts with one another, there is going to be inevitable influence on both a genetic and cultural level. To put it maybe a bit more bluntly, there was nothing stopping an Egyptian man from taking a fancy to a Kushite woman, or a Kushite man to an Egyptian woman. It’s humans, we tend to do our own thing and have our own outlooks when it comes to things like who we want to have children with/who we want to spend our lives with. Nothing has changed there in the past 4000+ years.
@O B D vast majority of pyramids in Egypt are dwarf pyramids. Also, so what if they weren't star aligned lol
Youre just making an argument that bc most palaces aren't as large and exquisite as versailles, they are somehow worthless lol
There are only a handful of pyramids as large as egyptian in all recorded history, thats what makes Egyptian pyramids so exceptional lol
The First Dynasty of Egypt (around the 3000s BC) came from the southern regions such as Upper Egypt (around modern day southern Egypt/northern Sudan) and there are some statues depicting a few pharaohs who may be considered "black." Look up the head bust of the Narmer, the founder of the First Dynasty (though this statue is considered by some to be a Pharaoh of the 4th Dynasty). So it is possible that there were some black Egyptians before the Nubian 25th Dynasty.
@O B D Look up the stone statue of the head of King Narmer and describe what it looks like. It is not confirmation, but it is worth taking a look and considering the possibility.
@O B D Some think it is a statue of Khufu, but Khufu is still a pharaoh of the 4th Dynasty. That still supports my point that there were possibly darker skinned African leaders/people in Egypt since the earliest Dynasties of Egypt long before the 25th Nubian Dynasty.
Has he ever addressed the 1974 cairo symposium claims?
About the black land, some extremely fertile lands in Eastern Europe is called "chernozon" or "black dirt" due to its colour. Exactly the same meaning as the Egyptian "black lands".
And the dirt is really really dark. So can understand why.
same in India.
@Tiago de Mello "cherno" means "black" in slavic languages so that's why
yes perfeckt comparison
The original Black Gold wasn't oil, but soil. T'was a term used often in the old west of the USA, but guessing it had old world roots.
As a lifelong egyptophile, Ancient Egypt has been ruled by many ethnic groups. The 25tn Dynasty was black, but the Ptolemaic dynasty was white. I wish people stopped making assumptions that all of Egyptian history was the same
@Leo the Anglo-Filipino They were Nubians, not Sub-Saharan African, mind you. They have been called the Black Pharaohs, but they were not the norm among Egyptian dynasties. For most of Egyptian history, the Nubians were either an enemy or a subject people.
@@rkitchen1967 Black doesn’t mean sub Saharan African automatically.
@Christian De Maria black is described as anyone who has non white skin but particularly anyone from African or aboriginal descent. Straight from the dictionary
@@christiandemaria9682 I think you have inadvertently found why ethnic and racial descriptions are less than scientifically satisfying. Skin color is a continuous trait, not a discrete one. It’s therefore impossible to box people into “racial” groups while being completely accurate.
Wasn't there also a ginger Pharaoh or a pharaoh with red hair I mean
I love that you also tackle the more controversial topics by using facts and data! 😃
Its an uphill battle when facing the black supremacist propaganda. Too many people are too scared to speak the truth because they're scared they'll be labelled a racist.
I have long ago figured out where people got confused. Before the Persians took over Egypt, the Nubians DID conquer Egypt for about a century or so. So there were black Pharaohs, just not NATIVE Egyptian pharaohs. Due to trying to push a narrative, this turned into ALL Egyptians being black. I don't know when this started, but Egyptians were not that different than they are now just no Arab mixes. The one truth is they were Africans, but NORTH Africans. If you want to push a narrative, this is one of those vague things many people can do it with. On a final note I never truly realized how many crazy people could be suddenly convinced they need to lynch anyone that doesn't agree with them. If you don't agree with me don't. But crazy doesn't help.Edit: Apparently a large group of people never watched the video and keep trying to force me to back down. I'm not sure why they can't handle what I am saying but a whole lot of people just have no intelligent argument. I'm not changing any of this. Facts have no feelings snowflakes. Edit: I myself was wrong on one detail it was the ASSYRIANS not the PERSIANS who pushed out the Nubians.
A lot of western people don't seem to realize that not all Africans are black.
People forget that Africa is a very large continent with different biospheres that change human development. It ranges from deserts to plains, to hilly regions, to thick jungle. The flora, fauna, and all the above changes with that. For people who say they speak for Africans they sure don't understand the difference between them. Shit even nations have issues because two major ethnicities live together. (Rwanda anyone)
@@als3022 they didn't forget. It's about a narrative not actual history.
@@shadowbanned1999 I'm well aware thank you lol. That's because I had a father who refused to raise an idiot lol.
I think it was like the 13th dynasty or something, anyhow it was a long long long time after the major works the Egyptian people were known for
As a Native North African I've never thought that one day I will be considered a stranger to this continent just because my skin color is white .
Personally I've never classified people based on their skin tone or based my interactions with them on it , but rather by thier political ideology as it reveals a lot about them and I think it's a safer more rational measure.
You're being used as a political tool in a foreign landscape which has it's own history it's currently struggling with, and they like to apply their own history and experiences to people from elsewhere. It's similar to how the first half of the 20ieth century had Germans trying to define themselves in terms of indo-europeans they call Aryans and Atlantis and other such nonsense, because they were struggling with their own sense of identity and their recent history.
@@Altrantis I don't use race to define myself with or as a personality trait , I'm not that insecure.
@@Altrantis for some reason blacks just get offended when they know that there are people in North Africa who are natives and they are not black lol
I mean if your skin color is white your genetics probably trace back to Europe. That’s like white Americans who’s family came to the now USA in the 1600s saying they feel like foreigners. In short sight, they are Americans but the USA is not “their land” it’s the native Americans land. Similarly, North Africa was colonized so it is the native black Africans land and no one else’s.
Most of North Africa has a hatred for “black” people just like the West. The only reason you can even read and write in Tifinagh is because “black” Tuaregs preserved a form of the Libyco-Berber script while the rest of the Amazigh rolled over and assimilated. You’re part of the problem.
Trying to say ancient Egypt was black is like saying Ferrari is Irish because Italy and Ireland are both European countries.
The first Irish people were dark skin, and so were the Pict's.
@@amonone399yeah maybe 20k or smth years ago when they first stepped on that land
@@VinyZikss You are Neo Europeans, not the original.
In that analogy that would be dainty Ferrari is European because Italy is in Europe much like Egypt is African because it's in Africa despite the centuries European's have spent trying to separateit's identity from Africa because God forbid black people have something nice
@@amonone399Absolute nonsense. Total and utter lies.
Never thought about the "George Washington as a Native American, because he was born in America" argument. Love it in its simplicity and finesse. Want to know what the Woke crowd responds to that
Ok, im about to end this debate right now. 1, the ancient Egyptians called Punt(modern day Ethiopia and somalia) their homeland and place of origin. 2, the greeks saw the ancients themselves and said they were dark and had wooly hair. Diodorus, a greek scholar of the time who saw the ancient Egyptians himself said “it appears the Egyptians were colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, many of them that dwell along the nile have the same dark skin and wooly hair”, the greeks saw them with their own eyes. Also, all the drawings on the inside of tombs are of brown, reddish brown and dark brown complexioned ppl. Also majority of the statues especially from the old kingdom show broad noses and full lips, arabs aka modern Egyptians dont have that. The modern Egyptians are yellow and arab looking, the ancients were brown, dark brown and proven to look like the Ethiopians. The problem is ppl hear “black” and think we’re talking about 50 cent or Jay Z facial features. No, the ancients did not look like African Americans or west africans but the DID look like the beja people, northern Sudanese, Ethiopian, southern Egyptians. Brown and dark brown skin, soft black curly hair and narrow noses. Those are STILL black ppl. Black doesn’t just mean Kevin Hart lmao. If you want to know what race the ancient Egyptians were look up the “beja people” and “Marcus Samuelson”. The ancients WERE black, just not the kind of black you’re thinking of.
@@borattopaz4592 Diodorus’ brother Antidiodorus said that those Egyptians were merely servants of a people described as “tall, pale and of straight hair”. Furthermore, those ruling Egyptians had their hair described as “long, straight and of many bright colours such as red and gold.”
Ok, so he can be called "Native American." Cool. But "piece of shit racist enslaver" is just as accurate.
@@abinsurly2910 First rule of historians: Don't judge based on todays morals and standards, but try to understand the times in question
@@Jogvanth Bullshit. And easily disproven by the fact that anti-enslavers and abolitionists existed long before the U.S. did, and by the words of its 3rd POTUS and enslaver Thomas Jefferson. "I tremble for my nation when I reflect that God is just; His justice cannot sleep forever."
What you just said is not the first rule of anything. Throughout time all wrongdoing pieces of shit knew they were doing wrong. Just because an action is sanctioned by a society doesn't mean the bastards who do evil don't know they're evildoers. Human beings have always had ears, and ears can hear screams.
the Cleopatra thing is especially funny b/c one of the things she's famous for is being the only Ptolemaic ruler to actually speak Egyptian
*edit:* replies mostly consist of weird racist baloney, proceed at your own risk
She spoke Egyptian because her mother was African,yws Egyptian
@@matiusbond6052 that's highly doubtful. The Ptolemaic dynasty took on a lot of Egyptian customs including incest. We know for a fact that every Ptolemaic ruler of Egypt before Cleopatra was married to either a sibling or a cousin. Cleopatra herself married her younger brother. The only reason this is an argument is that Cleopatra's mother is not recorded. So yes it's a possibility but wouldn't it be more likely looking at what came before and after that her mother was from the same Ptolemaic line and a Macedonian.
@@matiusbond6052 Nonsense
She probably looked like zoe kravitz, if there was a ancient statue of zoe kravitz people would be saying shes white 😂😂
@@soulunbound4882 Do you understand that 30% of the genetic of a black american is white ? Egypt is more mixed today then they were before because of slavery.
I am a black man from American, I think a lot of black Americans try so hard to attach themselves to anything Africa because a lot of us don't know where we can from and don't want to be looked at just as slave descendants. Great video Metatron!
Yeah u aint black man and u will never be
We are certainly not Khemites, but people want to live in fantasy land.
Neither one of y’all are black definitely not educated in African/American history either. Y’all can look up ancient Ethiopian stones then let me know what y’all think.
@@Jihadhamlett Says the person pretending he is a caucasoid, Near Eastern, Medierranean Egyptian from North Africa and not what he is.
@@dareal05 ?
Ancient Egyptians were never black, Pharoah Tutankhamun had sandels excavated and dated to be 3,300 BC. Those sandals show him stepping on hia enemies the nubians.
how does that prove they werent so called black? The Egyptians were more than one "color" of people and they were %100 not WHITE and were depicted with reddish/brown skin. Similar to Blacks of America who are anywhere form high yellow(fair, light skin, almond) , medium brown (chestnut ,tawney) to dark (Black). They were AFRO ASIATIC people so how were they not "black"?
It’s a depiction of Nubians and Asiatic on his sandals plus on his throne there’s a depiction of him and his wife both with brown skin.
@@Smoker2777
And?
Sure!! That is why there were so many similarities between the two regions yet they "hated" them LOL. Give up the eurocentric babble already.
If people really want a pyramid-building culture of black people, there's the Nubians. In fact I wouldn't mind seeing pop culture made about the Nubians since they are never seen in anything.
True. Nubian have a rich culture and yet it's never brought up. It bugs me to no end when all you have to do is look. It's not hidden
The Parthians would be fun to see in film too.
Seriously, there's so many interesting cultures from that region. Kind of wish there was a total war game centered on Africa.
@O B D Mansa Musa was the single wealthiest human being of all time. He was once so generous with his wealth that he crashed the Egyptian economy, so he had to take the gold back on loan on his return trip.
I don't understand the arm flailing from the "diversity" crowd over this. Egypt actually did have a Black dynasty that ruled for over 100 years, it was the Kushite Dynasty. Why don't they make a movie/show about that? It is actually historically accurate and quite dramatic how it began and ended, it would make for good television. It's more accurate than Black Female Vikings ruling a multiracial utopia in medieval Scandinavia.
The "black Egypt" theme is at the heart of the Afrocentric movement to supposedly expose white supremacy from "hiding" the true genius (even divinity lol) of "black Africans". You lose that argument, the narrative collapses. You can see from these comments how triggered a lot are from facts that debunk the narrative, resorting to throwing insults to modern Egyptians as being "invaders", etc. They are operating in a bubble with terrible group think, failing to see how foolish it looks on a global scale. And like you pointed out, there were black people then and now in Egypt -- however, the core Egyptian population is what it has been for tens of thousands of years, and people cannot come to grips with this basic fact.
Im sorry but the ancient egytpian were africans,all african people in our childhood we aware that we from there
For example u can be a pharaoh only if u from Nubia or Egypt
@@Nkraikage This makes no sense, and yes they were and are African -- North African.
@@Nkraikage The brown skinned Berbers, and the Fair Skinned Amazigh of the North are also Africans.
the pyramids weren't built 2000 to 3000yrs ago... Those things are over 10,000 to 20,000 yrs old, built by early African settlers technologically advanced than we currently are before the deluge(book of Noah clearly states who Egyptians were), civilisation and humans keep factory resetting time to time... And we start a fresh from stoneage(genesis). Arabs discovered the pyramids of giza and sphinx all covered up by huge mountain of sand, as we do nowadays uncovering archaeological stuff
WHERE do u get this bullshi
Compelling arguments with sound reasoning. A rarity in today’s world of biased pseudoscience to fit social agendas. Congratulations on getting married by the way.
"Compelling arguments"... leaving out 90% of the evidence. This kind of practice is very deceiving.
@@a.r.tavares1322 So true. The wall of the Egyptian Pharaoh's tells the story of the Blackmans rule over Egypt.
@@a.r.tavares1322 You must have slept through the presentation. Try watching it
soberly.
@@paulbrandel5980 I'll try to lay off the booze, thank you. Now if I can give you an advice as well: Try reading the scientific articles. Because even that DNA study Metatron cites was ultimately based on 3 late period mummies, of unknown origin. Quoting the authors of the study (Johannes Krause et al, Nature, 2017): “However, we note that all our genetic data were obtained from a single site in Middle Egypt and may not be representative for all of ancient Egypt. It is possible that populations in the south of Egypt were more closely related to those of Nubia and had a higher sub-Saharan genetic component, in which case the argument for an influx of sub-Saharan ancestries after the Roman Period might only be partially valid and have to be nuanced. Throughout Pharaonic history there was intense interaction between Egypt and Nubia, ranging from trade to conquest and colonialism, and there is compelling evidence for ethnic complexity within households with Egyptian men marrying Nubian women and vice versa”. And, most importantly: “Unfortunately, mummies from the Old till early New Kingdom are not present at the site or and not included in our data set, which focusses on the three consecutive periods.” Now, please Google everything related to pre-dynastic and Old Kingdom, such as "Human face hieroglyph" (Gardiner D2).
The ancient Egyptians in the earlier stages of Egypt were definitely BLACK but as time went on different kingdoms ruled Egypt.
Herodotus described Egyptians as dark skinned with wollyhair like their neighbours to South the Kushites. Unlike present day Europeans Herodotus had no agenda or racial Bias, he just simply described what he saw and what he thought of the people he encountered.
When Egypt matter everyone was black. We have this thing called melanin that flows through our bodies.. Black people comes in all kinds of shades from being very dark to very light .Melanin is the key you couldn't survive without it
Um no everything has melanin even cockroaches and plants stop trying to make everything about Black Folks the world does not revolve around Black & White.
No, the mummies from the new knigdom era when egypt was at its peak, the dna study proved they looked like any other eastern Mediterranean nations rather than africans
@LetsBeHonest the new kingdom era was completely native egyptian without any foreign interference
Unless you’re mix otherwise no.
Black people are Semites. The we are NOT Hamites so, no Egyptians were not "negro", however some of the inhabitants of Egypt were black (negro). Namely the Nubians who were also Semitic. That's why Joseph was mistaken for one of them by his brothers. Most Egyptians we're of a lighter complexion. Israel weren't and were one of the negro tribes there.
What frustrates me the most about this subject is that everyone who defends that the Egyptians were black completely ignore their descendants: the modern Copts. And they are far from being black.
What frustrates me the most about this is that you cannot actually reason with these people, they just want to believe this kind of lies. Recently you encounter this kind of bullcrap with black Vikings... They don't care about scientific truth, reason, they just want to believe it and push their agenda in everything.
@@m0-m0597 are you going to bring any sources or facts to this discussion, or just baseless ad hominems ?
@@filzy1887 I read that as parody of the common arguments tossed around by those defending the agenda mentioned in the tweet that Metatron posted.
@@filzy1887 XD I'm so sorry we're living in a world where anyone can't help but take that seriously
what frustrates me is that you can't talk about reality with out seeming like you have a bias because you offended somebody who is wrong, we care more about people than facts yeah that's a good thing but can't we care about both?
I am surprised that when you talked about Kemet meaning black land you didn't bring up Deshret, which means red land. The area around the Nile was called Kemet or black land because of the color of the soil when the Nile flooded. The area outside of the Nile was called Deshret or red land, because of the reddish land that made up the desert. This is unequivocal proof that the Ancient Egyptians did not use these terms to reference skin color.
Or they could have considered the Libyans to be reddish.
@@ikengaspirit3063 No, they didn't. Deshret is where the word desert comes from. It's obvious that they were talking about the color of the land, not the color of the people.
If that was true, then they would have celled Egypt Deshret, as they depict themselves in art as having a more reddish skin, while depicting Libyans as having paler, more white skin.
@@minutemansam1214 You're mostly right, except for explaining the word desert coming from Deshret. In reality, it's a pure linguistical coincidence. The word "desert" comes from Latin, meaning "abandoned, forsaken" (hence the words like "deserter", "to desert"). It has nothing to do with "Deshret" etymologically.
@@minutemansam1214 Eh, fine Deshret was the desert.
Kamit does not mean "Black Land."
As a modern Egyptian, THANK YOU. I'm tired of being told I'm an Arab colonizer and not a true African because I'm not black, even though genetic testing proved that modern Egyptians are still very genetically connected to Ancient Egyptians. Here's the truth:
1. Ancient Egypt was a diverse country (as is modern Egypt) and it's also huge, it goes from the very northern part of Africa to the Nubian region. Original north Africans are all non-black. Why would they be black, they're closer to Europe than the Equator. Having dark skin is related to how close to the Equator you are because melanin develops in skin to protect it from the harsh sun.
2. There's absolutely no historical record of genocide against Ancient Egyptians (like the very well-recorded and documented genocide against Native American, for example), so where did this all black population of Ancient Egypt go? Magically disappear into thin air? It just never existed. There were black people in Egypt, yes, in the very south, and people's skin got lighter and lighter the closer they got to the Mediterranean.
3. Egypt did not receive any mass migrations the way the New World did. There was a frequent change in who was in power, yes, but the population itself never changed to the point where everyone's skin was magically bleached over centuries.
One thing to remember:@$$holes come in every color.
I have been told by a black American that I am not indigenous of South America because my skin in my avatar is clear and my ancestors were black @_@ I really hope that person was trolling but I suspect is somebody that takes the Flinstones as a documentary
It's ridiculous that people tell you you're an Arab colonizer. We colonized you and gave you our language, but most of your DNA is still 3ajamy, right? (I remember reading that Muslim Egyptians have slightly more Arab DNA than Christian Copts, but still not much.)
I don't have data for this -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- but it seems to me that even your dialect has all the hallmarks of a dialect spoken by a different race than the parent language, such as the erasure of interdental fricatives, which is something you often see when a language is adopted by a different race, like Latin American Spanish and Indian English, and loads of non-Arabic vocabulary and grammatical features. Could be wrong about this but it seems that way to me; especially your phonology is very different from the accents we have in Arabia. Seems to me even while speaking fos7a many of you have a distinct pronunciation. Again, sorry if I got anything wrong! Love your guys accent and culture.
Being on the equator or far away from it is not necessarily an indicator of the likelihood of your skin colour.
The Cheddar man for example was black, and he lived in Britain.
You say, thank you, but he specifically stated that those mummies were more connected to Europeans than people from the near East.
On top, the only people speaking Egyptian in Egypt are Coptic peoples. Yes, Coptic is a direct descendant from Ancient Egyptian language.
The rest ARE arabs, and you are probably too!
As an African American and history buff I appreciate your logical and factual takes. Unfortunately many Americans are emotional and want to change history to fit whatever narrative makes them feel good. Keep up the good work. Keep spreading historical truths.
Read and learn (part 2)
Greek + French philosophy admiting the original Egyptiam were black
This list of quotes from ancient, near-recent, and recent scholars that have spoken truthfully on this topic:
“Herodotus says: ‘The Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris.
They were black-skinned and have wooly hair’” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. xv).
Diodorus of Sicily (90 BC - 30 BC) was a Greek historian that wrote the following: “The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies which was brought into Egypt by Osiris . . . . They add that from them, as from their authors and ancestors, the Egyptians get most of their laws. It is from them that the Egyptians have learned to honor kings as gods and bury them with such pomp; sculpture and writing were invented by the Ethiopians. The Ethiopians cite evidence that they are more ancient than the Egyptians” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 2).
Herodotus asserts that “‘It is certain that the natives of the country [Egypt] are black with the heat” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 1).
“The opinions of all the ancient writers on the Egyptian race is more or less summed up by Gaston Maspero (1846-1916): ‘By the almost unanimous testimony of ancient historians, they belonged to an African race [read: Negro]’ which first settled in Ethiopia, on the Middle Nile; following the course of the river, they gradually reached the sea’”’ (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 2).
French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820) described the Sphinx as “‘typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says: ‘As for me,
I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair . . . . ‘ In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 27).
The French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820)
Just think that this race of black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech!
Aristotle says, “the Ethiopians and Egyptians are very black” (Ripples Nigeria, 2018).
The French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820) described the Sphinx as “‘typically Negro in all its features’”(Diop, 1974/1955, p. 27).
Upon learning that the ancient Egyptians were Black, French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820), remarks on how faulty it was to believe that Blacks were less intelligent than Whites.
Volney states, “What a subject for meditation, to see the present barbarism and ignorance of the Copts, descendants of the alliance between the profound genius of the Egyptians and the brilliant minds of the Greeks!
According to the African historian John G. Jackson, “there are many physical varieties of African peoples. [However,] the complex skin tones of Africans are mainly black and brown.
Most of the light-skinned people in Africa today are latecomers and interlopers. They have later or no relationship to African ancient history. The Egyptians are a distinct African people. They did not originally come from Europe or Asia. Their history and their culture started in what is now Ethiopia and the Sudan” (Jackson, 2001, p. 6).
Professor Manu Ampim on how ancient Egyptian sculptures are being de-Africanized: “When the artifacts in question were examined meticulously, I found that the methods used to change or damage the images are varied, and they include: subtly altering the shape of the nose on statues by using some type of tomb sanding device; adding on false noses; reshaping or completely destroying the face on temple and eliminating the paint on statues and paintings and thus making the images appear ‘white’; destroying the lower facial structure, particularly the chin and jaw area; putting in false bluish-gray inlaid eyes; plastering over temple images with White Portland Cement during ongoing ‘conservation’ work; and creating outright forgeries! These acts of fraud and deliberate destruction is what I call the handiwork of modern conspirators. I was stunned by such an angry, vicious, and widespread attack against Black images by the enemies of Classical African Civilizations” (Ampim, 2001).
In his book, The Ruins of Empires (1791), French scholar, C. F. Volney wrote the following about the ancient Kemites (Egyptians), “There is a people, now forgotten, discovered, while others were yet barbarians, the elements of the arts and sciences. A race of men now rejected from society for their sable skin and frizzled hair, founded on the study of the laws of nature, those civil and religious systems which still govern the universe” (All Eyes on Media, 2013).
When this text was translated from French to English and published in America, this line was taken out, as not to offend White-Americans.
If the ancient Egyptians were White, there’s no way they would sculpt J. F. Champollion (19th century French Egyptologist) stepping on the head of this ancient Egyptian Pharaoh. The hate for the Black-African is despicable.
This is why upon learning that the ancient Egyptians were Black, French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820) said the following: “Just think that this race of black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 28).
References:
All Eyes on Media. (2013, Nov. 16). Nile valley contributions to civilization - Anthony T. Browder [Video]. TH-cam. th-cam.com/video/OgXtA7Wyl_w/w-d-xo.html
Ampim, M. (2001). The vanishing evidence of classical African civilizations: “A 2001 Update.” Africana Studies from the Primary Sources with Professor Manu Ampim. manuampim.com/update1.html.
Diop, C. (1974). The African origin of civilization: Myth or reality. (M. Cook, Trans., Ed.). Lawrence Hill & Co. (Original work published 1955).
Jackson, J .G. (2001). Introduction to African civilizations. Citadel Press.
Ripples Nigeria (2018, Nov. 11). Europe and Americas stole and denied Africa’s civilization.” Graffiti. www.ripplesnigeria.com/europe-and-americas-stole-and-denied-africas-civilization
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In December 2012, a genetic study conducted by the same researchers who decoded King Tutankhamun's DNA predicted using an STR-predictor that Ramesses III, second pharaoh of the Twentieth Dynasty of Egypt and considered to be the last great New Kingdom regent to wield any substantial authority over Egypt, belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup E-M2, alternatively known as haplogroup E1b1a.[18]
E1b1a is black
@@macmac9371Black people like to claim any person who has any Black in them as full Black such as Barack Obama. No one acknowledges that he’s literally half White from his mom and half Black from his dad, yet he’s claimed as full Black from Black people. Why is that? Why do Black people have to always make claim to a half Black or part Black person? To feel like they share that person or peoples’ achievements?
I’ll check into his haplogroup but it wouldn’t surprise me if it does have it being from Sub-Sahara because it’s not too crazy to think that they had some Black mixture in them but Black people want to blow it out of proportion and just say, “No, they’re all Black!”. It’s tiring and unintelligent to say that.
You Mean woketarts and Joe Biden sexaul not all Americans bleve in that bs as Mexican/ Israeli find what he says to be more bleveable then black liberals who sit there saying Egyptians were
black with littie to no proof to back there claims up . When the facts and history go against what they believe.
We wuz kangz and....... Shiet
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SJW's be like: "Cleopatra was black!"
Me: "Yes... Cleopatra... Of the House of Ptolemy... From Macedonia... Macedonians are famous for being black, aren't they?" 🤔
I wonder if they realize that even the name Cleopatra is Greek. It means "glory of the father" if I remember correctly.
But, they might have been mixed with locals. The family that had a penchant for marrying sisters and brothers. Yes mixed with locals.
@@als3022 Yes, Noble families in general are famous for marrying and having children with locals. They were always progressive that way.
More than happy to add genetic lineage from outsiders to their noble stock. 🤣
I saw a documentry about Cleopatra being black. They based it one thing. Who her grandmother was, was not recorded. Well, that may be so, but given that the Ptolemaic Dynasty were incestuous, I'd say a good guiess would be her grandfather's sister...
Fun fact: The god of male fertility, Min, was depicted as black because fertile soil is black. He looks hilarious to a modern audience
Not even mentioning his other physical feature...
@@Anesthesia069 Hmm, wonder if that images was on Lily's mind when she asked Sheriff Bart if something was true.
That's amazing lol
Was just painted black not depicted as black.
Huge difference.
Netflix's latest turd about Cleopatra brought me back here.
A short well-documented correct answer to this irrelevant question? NO
Finally, I was waiting for you to speak about this subject as an Egyptian we don't talk about this subject its a western controversy to us if you are an Egyptian you are an Egyptian your skin color doesn't matter, and historically we've been ruled over by various
races colors and religions and we absorbed them eventually as pharaohs and as Egyptians because we don't have a problem with race as people
Egypt is not exclusively black nor any civilization ever was only one color and I have family members of all shades much like Egypt itself from the delta to Aswan and for anyone claiming this civilization as his own that will not make him greater than the rest of us and only Egyptian can claim Egypt and they are of all colors because Egypt is bigger than any color
and God bless you Metatron
As a Greek, you guys are awesome!
I see the argument a lot from black supremacists. I like a lot of pages related to the 'Ancient' world and this is a ridiculously common subject. Most of the responding arguments come from Egyptians themselves and they tend to be quite aggressive about it on the whole. It was a strange argument to see keep coming up since it always made sense to me that Egyptians would be exactly as they are today, I hadn't thought about it before. I'm not sure what the obsession is with claiming some sort of link to the achievements and actions of a group of people based purely on skin colour and not direct ancestry.
@@VincoVenator They try to compensate in a weird way and show that they are better than white people since Egypt was one of the great civilizations of the world then. All I know for certain is that most extremists of all minorities reside in America and have weird pent up complex issues and unhealthy obsessions. Most different colored people in Europe are really chill and almost never bring shit like that. Some black people even let their friends to call them the N word because for them it doesn't mean anything, it's just a word.
@@cloudshifter It's a bunch of cope because they have lost their histories by being taken as slaves rather than being immigrants. They can't say "I'm Ghanaian", or "I'm Nigerian"; they haven't got any ancestral knowledge apart from their skin colour and historical status. So they play it up and mythologise it. You can see the hilarious confused reactions of Africans who move to the US. There's a huge cultural difference in mindset between hardworking Africans and the victim mentality of many (but not all) black Americans. It carries over to many other areas, such as wokeness and calling successful black people "Uncle Toms", but that's getting off-topic.
@@cloudshifter You all are SO stupid with your theories as to what African Americans think. " Only Egyptians can claim Egyptians " is bullshit, as you live on the African continent. You can't claim this anymore than an Italian person can claim that they aren't European. What this is all about. , & brotha you've been indoctrinated into the white supremacy as well, is an erasure of history, a down playing of Africa civilizations. I'm assuming you didn't grow up in the U.S, but this goes all the way back to the Trans Atlantic slave trade, where they had to settle their conscience by saying Africans were sub human, so they tried to chop up Africa into different racial classes . & it saddens me to see modern African talk against their brothers that were taken from the continent. African Americans have just as much right to claim Africa as a whole, as Asians do Asian & Europeans do Europe. This has all come about due to a whitewashing of this particular part of our history
Current science tells us that the Sub Saharan desert wasn't always a desert, that the climates shifts every 6 thousand years or so. I'm other words , there were people living in the desert region ( which was green & habitable then) . The last change came about as dynastic Egypt started up. These were people having to flee the Saharan area & they spread out, some of them populated the Nile Valley. These were the original people of the Nile Valley that went on to build the pyramids . 1st Pharoah Narmer , was clearly a very " Negroid " African. Don't be ashamed of your own history brutha, be proud & know that most of the early Pharoahs were clearly African ...." Black " Africans . You haven't experienced racism as African Americans have, I get that, but you should be conscious enough not to support a white supremacist attitude, as that's what I get from you. Oh, & here are some shots from the earliest to the most powerful dynasty ( The 18th) drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZcKZha8iFhfeGnLe76thdtaDw-hSuVn1
I'm glad you tackled this, no they were not. DNA doesn't lie.
Neither do their tomb paintings
Or found actual preserved dead bodies.
Makes it infuriating that activists want Cleopatra, a Macedonia Greek pharaoh who may or may not have some Egyptian ancestry, to be played by a black. The Nubians were black, but not the native Egyptians.
@@Apollo1989V These "woke" people seem to forget about the Ptolemaic Dynasty.
Uan Muhaggiag says otherwise, the oldest North African mummy was Sub-Saharan. Interesting he didn't touch on this. Also there are many paintings and items depicting Nubian roots like the Egyptian book of the dead that claim Egyptians came from further down the Nile. We know nubians originally inhabited Egypt from Greek testimonies and Arab invasion accounts. Also, the pyramids are now said to be much older than anticipated. Not to mention clear African facial features on many artifacts... I do wonder if there's something we don't know about the genesis of Egypt and wonder if the culture was adopted from Libya and Kush... questions that shouldn't be dismissed
Bonus points, Metatron, for mentioning the dualistic underpinnings of Ancient Egyptian metaphysics. Red is the desert, dryness, and death; black is the river, water, and life. The world is a battle between to two. I'm not sure if it ever was a sophisticated as East Asian depictions of Yin/Yang, but it was part of their cultural underpinnings.
I have no doubt that Ancient Egyptian culture was every bit as sophisticated as East Asian cultures in its own way.
@@robinlillian9471 I think he meant only in the dualistic ideas/practice/thought/et...
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@でッ Listen-- ancient Egypt or Khemit is in Africa.
It's people are & were
African. AncientvEgypt was a primary African culture/society.
Grouping it w/ the mideast denies that Egypt is a part of Africa.
Today, Egypt & all other no. African countries r invested in the whole well being of continental Africa. Rather then aligning w/ the mideast or as just being no. Africa.
@@coleslaw9181 Does race have to be apart of it when it really doesn't exist?!
Race is an imperialist concept. So called north Africans r now working for the all inclusiveness of Africa. Rather then aligning w/ the mideast.
"All humanity r the children of God; they belong to the same original race. There can be no multiplicity of races, since all r the decendants of Adam." Many mideast inhabitants are indigenous to those regions. & they resemble east Africans.
The Carribean & the Americas have diverse varieties of people. -- Rich African legacies of Afro-Latino, Foundationsl black Americans, indigenous Americans, Afro-Arabs &, Amizigh.
These hybrid societies r all a part of the whole.
BASED. very good video. I don't believe the main Egyptians were black but I do believe they were there as you explained.
You can be-lie-eve the moon is cheese, it don't mean its true peace out.
The skin tones made me think of Japan and their depictions of different skin colors according to social status (workers dark and nobles pale with noble women very pale). Although it's an animated movie not meant to be a documentary, I like how Egyptians were depicted in "The Prince of Egypt".
yeah, they did their research.
Etruscan art also consistently depict women as white while men are typically brick red.
this "depiction" is actually the truth for most Afro-Asiatic people (except for east Africa), the Arabs and Amazigh (Berber) people generally get a tan from working in fields or other labor-intensive work, while the women are generally housewives and wear a veil outside givng them lighter skin, and the well-off men working in offices or other comfortable areas are generally whiter than the ones who work in the sun light.
my father is on the darker end of how an Arab would look like, while my mother actually kinda looks how Celopatra statue looked like lol, so she's more south European looking.
I get called white by dark skinned people, and non-white by blonde people.
I agree. And even though they decided to make an artistic contrast between the Hebrews and the Egyptians by making the former with softer shapes and the latter with more angular ones to make us more sympathetic to the Hebrews, both still looked fairly realistic.
I think this is similar to Minoan art on Crete. Perhaps women didn't work outside. Or maybe some women did work outside and get tan, but they were painted a lighter shade as a matter of custom.
We wuz kangz and sheeeeeiiiittt
I just had an argument with one of these Afrocentrists. It boiled down to "everything in history and archaeology and the entire body of evidence is faked by whites, Rome invaded Egypt only a few centuries ago and stole the advanced African culture (no joke) and pretended Cleopatra was a white lady to devalue black women, white America always did this, you should educate yourself." When I told them that pretending a European colonizing force (the Ptolemies) were natives actually does a disservice to the plight of the colonized, they just responded with "it's all lies." I even brought up the George Washington analogy. They did not appear to have understood the analogy. I am not sure it is at all purposeful to engage with someone like this. It was quite idiotic of me.
Don't stop arguing. Our silence emboldens them. Falsehood must be debunked, no matter how irritated we become.
The world isn't black and white, quite literally. And neither claims of european supremacy nor claims of whitewashing of history are helpful to the truth. The truth lies inbetween and all kinds of people had all kinds of history, times of strength and weakness. Finding the thuth and sharing that knowledge is what is important.
The ptolemies were Greek what are you talking about? Just because u don’t like the truth doesn’t mean it’s Afrocentric
@@gromhellscream4487 Herodotus:Ethiopians and Egyptians have thick lips, broad nose, woolly hair and they are burnt of skin.”
@@gromhellscream4487 your ? Who’s you ?
My fan casting for Cleo has always been Jennifer Aniston, an actual Greek.
NOT GREEK! SHE'S BLACK
Yk Cleopatra had a mixed background? Jennifer aniston is a hilarious pick😂
Back in college I was friends with a Coptic Orthodox Christian who was born here in America but whose parents were immigrants from Egypt and who visited there often. During the summer his skin was almost exactly the reddish tone used for the Egyptian male pictures, while in winter it was closer to the yellowish tone used for Egyptian women.
At first glance you'd probably think he was Arab instead of black, but his hair texture was definitely closer to that of black Africans. He claimed his family had no Arab ancestry, never learned Arabic, and was of the purest Egyptian stock.
Yes we keep saying that to Afrocentric that , I’m a Coptic Muslim myself , I’m having light skin , like they keep discriminate against me calling me to go back to Balkan or turkey , and when I’m telling them actually it’s easy for us to get tanned in the summer they like nah , you are lying you don’t have melanin.. they are idiots
Yeah, Modern-day Egyptians even have 8% more Sub-Saharan African ancestry than Ancient Egyptians.
Capture the specimen
@@erichvondonitz5325 um, What? 😂
@@Josue-xd5ru You heard the man!
8:48 fake reconstruction, look at the original book of gates you'll see that it's destroyed for the most part but you'll be able to see black paint on the feet of the person that's beside the "nubian" on the right, you'll also notice that the two people on the left of the "nubian" have the same hair as him in the original and they don't look different, so yeah I already knew he was going to use this image to push his agenda 😂, btw If you want to see the original type "tomb of Seti book of gates" it looks nothing like the poor attempt at white washing.
I think a big part of the problem is the use of the term "African" to describe individuals from a continent as if a continent is a unified community of some kind, coupled with this absurd obsession over skin-tone, as if "white" people don't have variant skin tones depending on what climate they happen to be living in at a given moment! Neither Africa nor Europe are unified communities. "Africa" is a very large land mass with very distinct regions, just like Europe. Being "African" did not make one "black". The Roman Empire was not really "European" at all, it was MEDITERRANEAN and Egypt is also significantly Mediterranean. Egypt was less "multi-ethnic" than Europe due to the vast deserts to the south vs the passable mountain ranges in the more hospitable northern continent and the penchant for Europeans to create roads for trade. Europeans traveled by sea and river to Egypt, and Egyptians traveled along the coast into Europe as well as down river into northern Sudan. "Nubians" (i.e. northern Sudanese people) were a rarity everywhere in the north, and the Nubians of ancient Egypt were STILL not sub-Saharan (according to genetic testing). Sub-Saharan genotypes were present during Christianization but were gone during Muslim expansion and only came back in the modern era. Sub-Saharan south Sudan is genetically distinct from northern Sudan. Again, SUDAN, in Africa, contains genetically distinct ethnicities. But the "ethnic" Egyptians saw the Nubians as so very different from themselves in terms of skin-tone that they painted them 'black' while their own women are pale.
That's because "Afro-americans", fanatical black supremacists don't know much about Africa at all. Most of them can't even find Africa on the map. Or the map. But they are forcing their revisionist fantasists on every else.
Not to mention that Africa is the most genetically diverse continent on the planet. Even Africans can vary vastly in stature, skin color, and of course cultural customs on hair in that some tribes and ethnic groups have men and women shave their heads and others see hair as a sign of power and prosperity. It’s really hard to lump an entire continent with vastly different climates and people groups into one group, but of course enslaving people based on their general skin tone can do that. Which in it of itself was odd considering that peoples like the Romans enslaved more indiscriminately; in that they enslaved anyone they came upon, even other Romans. It’s very odd that suddenly people decided to enslave one very broad group of people that can easily be identified by the very general color of their skin.
@@therealspeedwagon1451you do realize that race is fundamentally about biology but a political construct refer not only to skin but also truth lineage black equates to African as white people to Europe
Rome however was still a lot more in Europe and had its origin here
Rome was a mediterranean power, the continent of Europe was just a forest jungle with savages at the time. Just like the Greeks before, the Romans sought the riches of trade and commerce in the civilization around the mediterranean basin, its sorta silly and anachronistic to call it a "European" power or attributing a European identity to it. It was an Alien culture with penis amulets and death matches with lions, weird food, and weird superstitions, when they conquered Jerusalem, to celebrate, they ritually murdered (human sacrifice) teenage boys...you fkrs are way lost to imagine you have any affinity with this alien culture
Egypt is multicultural but if we are talking about ancient Egypt I’m sorry but the culture started in the south with the Nubians who were black and they started the Egypt culture and it was called Kemet MAtatron which means black ! Then later over time thousand and hundreds years people of all colors migrated!! But I know damn well for certain that they weren’t Europeans and the Greeks migrated to Egypt ! Greeks wrote about the Egyptians and said they were mostly black and brown people!! What is funny right under the border of Egypt is Sudan which means land of the black lol !! So stop it people !! Don’t hate or do !!! This is old information everyone wants to claim Egypt !!
Race wasn't a thing back then!. That's a new concept. Kemet meant the soil was black. They never called people black until Europeans made it up
Well everyone was black at one point but yeah they certainly weren’t pasty.
"The southern Indians are rather more like Ethiopians as they are black to look on, and their hair is black; only they are not so snub-nosed or woolly-haired as the Ethiopians; *the northern Indians are most like the Egyptians physically* ."
- Indica by Arrian (2nd century BC)
We know there was no major population replacement in the Indian Subcontinent in the last 2 millennia, only some religious/cultural changes. Modern northern Indian/Pakistanis have similar range of skin color to modern Egyptians, and can at times be mistaken for the other. Further, when comparing Ethiopians with southern Indians, Arrian makes it a point to mention that although similar in skin color, they do no have similar nose and hair-type; but says nothing when comparing Egyptians to northern Indians, meaning that Egyptians most likely did not have the Ethiopian-like nose and hair-type. So, it is safe to assume that ancient Egyptians didn't look too different from modern Egyptians.
I've read this before. Thank you for bringing this up.
I actually thought that looking at the art of ancient Egypt. Indians can be quite light skinned and also very black interestingly being fair is a desirable trait in wealthy women hence the skin whitening industry.
Americanized race politics likes to erase brown and olive people, you're either a Bantu or a Norseman and nothing in between.
As we have seen from Americans, someone can have fairer skin and still be considered black by facial structure so Ancient Egyptians could still have been black.
@@ikengaspirit3063 Ancient Egyptians had more Caucasian facial structure, though.
Very eloquently put and presented. US culture has a lot of extreme views when it comes to race. Egypt and Greece both were metropolitan. They shared knowledge and traded goods with all the known world of their times as a sea fearing people. It's common sense to think that the people there were from different ethnic groups. Just like every other major city and country today. People have migrated since their birth for the most favorable place to live. 👌🏾
Thank you for your nice comment. It’s a breath of fresh air considering the type of comments I’ve been getting on this video. I appreciate
@metatronyt Your welcome. I've lived in different countries since my youth. During my teenage years living in Germany I learned more about history and migration of people. Just like I got there by plane, people used boats back then.
When speaking to American people about identity in history I ask this question, "What does an American look like today?" 💭 Well imagine these thriving ancient cities back then. People from all over would've migrated for better living.
@@metatronyt HAM THE YOUNGEST SON OF NOAH BORN PROBABLY ABOUT 96 YEARS BEFORE THE FLOOD.AND ONE OF EIGHT PERSONS TO LIVE THROUGH THE FLOOD.HE BECAME THE PROGENITOR OF THE DARK RACES NOT THE NEGROES BUT THE EGYPTIANS,ETHIOPIANS
,LIBYANS AND CANNANITES. FROM THE ZONDERVAN BIBLE DICTIONARY AND THIS IS JUST LIGHT EVIDENCE
How did the Egyptians raise so many crops if they were metropolitan? How did they ship their goods if they were afraid of the sea?
@@catholicdad You know it was seafaring, don't be a pedant
As an art student I studied ancient Egyptian art. The ancient Egyptians were skillful, brilliant artists. Even though the art is highly stylized, it is clear they were depicting different ethnicities, from skin tone to facial structure to hair texture. If the ancient Egyptian rulers had been black, they would have been depicted as such, but they weren’t.
It is so sad you are blind.
@@amonone399cope and seethe
Look at the noses and hair styles!!!
@@amonone399 Some proof.. words are just air, without meaning.. Bring meaning to your words. Or are you a liar.. Proof?
@@TheLeadpepper It's the melanated recessive people that need proof. My ancestors left proof with statues and ancient temples with people on the walls that look like me or my grandmother photo album. They left mummies that people like you desecrate because you want to find yourselves in our-story, which is before his-story.
Minoans of Crete also depicted males tanned (coz they spent their days at sea)
You don't how many times, I have gotten into this debate.
It sure would be helpful if the Egyptians left us some pictures... Oh wait
Right they got black and tan and brown on the walls
Why are black africans carrying a haplogroup which is not only non african but also comes from a people who migrated form North Asia (closer to Siberia and Ural mountains)? It even predates the bronze age. Look up the V88 subclade of R1b. This R1 population also carried the geneitc mutation for light skin, hair and eyes. Which is a mutation they Inherit from their ancestors who survived two Ice ages In Eurasia.
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This confusion about race is interesting in many ways. I worked with a girl whose family was originally from Mexico but had been US citizens for multiple generations. In the 2020 census, she and her sister (whose skin tone is about like mine, and I am mostly northern European) put their race as "White" while her father and mother (with similar skin tones) put "Hispanic".
When I was in college many years ago, we had a guest speaker in one of the Humanities classes I was required to take who was an assistant coroner in the county where the school was located. His view on "race" was totally different from most of the class because he didn't pay any attention to skin color, in fact, many of the bodies he had to examine were only bones and had no skin color. He indicated that he recognized three different bone structures; African, Asian and Indo-European, and he could tell from the bones what "race" the person was. Where it got interesting was when races were mixed, such as most Blacks in the US who are 20-25% European.
The census now has a category for mixed races, but I had a friend years ago whose father was Korean, and mother was European decent. Before "mixed race" was an option starting in the 2000 census, his parents (and himself when he was on his own) would put "Asian" one census and "White" the next, because he was both.
The census gathers this information to get a general sense of the demographics of the country. People are more mixed nowadays compared to 1790, when the first US Federal Census was taken.
Wait tell me more about the mixed race bone structure
@@Es97Coqui I was in college in the early 70's and he didn't go into a lot of details about this, but I will try to tell you what I think he was saying. If you have a family where one parent is White and one is Black, the children frequently have skin color that is in between the two - not as dark as the Black parent, but darker than the White parent. I interpreted the remarks when I heard them to be something similar on the bone-structure level.
When the coroner finds human bones in the woods and it gets reported to the news media, the official statement generally goes like this: The body "appears" to be that of a white female approximately 23 years old". There is some hedging because more than likely the bone structures of all humans are pretty similar.
That is the best that I can do with the knowledge I have. You might use Google to try to pull up more info if you are interested in more details.
Ok, im about to end this debate right now. The ancient Egyptians WERE black. 1, the ancient Egyptians called Punt(modern day Ethiopia and somalia) their homeland and place of origin. 2, the greeks saw the ancients themselves and said they were dark and had wooly hair. Diodorus, a greek scholar of the time who saw the ancient Egyptians himself said “it appears the Egyptians were colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, many of them that dwell along the nile have the same dark skin and wooly hair”, the greeks saw them with their own eyes. Also, all the drawings on the inside of tombs are of brown, reddish brown and dark brown complexioned ppl. Also majority of the statues especially from the old kingdom show broad noses and full lips, arabs aka modern Egyptians dont have that. The modern Egyptians are yellow and arab looking, the ancients were brown, dark brown and proven to look like the Ethiopians. The problem is ppl hear “black” and think we’re talking about 50 cent or Jay Z facial features. No, the ancients did not look like African Americans or west africans but the DID look like the beja people, northern Sudanese, Ethiopian, southern Egyptians. Brown and dark brown skin, soft black curly hair and narrow noses. Those are STILL black ppl. Black doesn’t just mean Kevin Hart lmao. If you want to know what race the ancient Egyptians were look up the “beja people” and “Marcus Samuelson”. The ancients WERE black, just not the kind of black you’re thinking of.,.
I'm white Hispanic and I remember this time on high school I was filling up this paper and I had to put what ethnicity I was and separately what race. For ethnicity I had to put Hispanic and for race I had to put white, I always find it funny how a lot of people in the US put Hispanics as its own race as if there weren't black, white, and mixed Hispanics.
As a person of African descent i respect this man and the take he has on racial matters very refreshing to see you have earned my support for your integrity and intelligence
As a person of African decent you should be appalled with the clear cherry picking he is doing...the are FACTS THAT ALSO PROVE HIM WRONG
@@16ClarkKent exactly and to be honest I’m sure this person is not black at all. They even got mad At Kevin heart for saying the ancient Egyptians were black. U can even find videos right here on TH-cam by white scholars who proved they were black
We can tell you're White washed
@tsaoc-tsae yeah I hate when my comments get deleted as well
They were Black!
@16:00-17:30 as an Egyptian, this is pretty much how I'd break down the current population of Egypt. Regarding genetic continuity, I actually expect there to be a higher degree of continuity than suggested in the video, despite the Arab/Islamic conquest. This is probably due to the fact that Egypt was (and still is) by far the most populous land in the region, so the impact that a much smaller number of foreigners can have on the genetic makeup of the overall population is limited. This is supported by two facts/observations: (1) On average, current Egyptians have a slightly darker skin color than most other Arabs (the name used by Egyptians to describe that color is "wheatish"), and (2) Muslim and Christian Egyptians are virtually indistinguishable by appearance. The last point is significant, becuase unlike Egyptians who converted to Islam, Coptic Christians didn't intermarry with Arabs (at least not with Arab Muslims). So the homogenous appearance of the two religious groups suggests that there's a high degree of genetic continuity in my opinion.
exactly...common logic is a rare in our days. Greetings from Greece.
I agree with anestistrgikas. With all that said, what kind of skin color are you proposing for ancient Egyptians (just to return to the point of the video)? Are you saying dark brown, black, or olive?
*anestistrigkas
@@matthewheald8964I think ancient Egyptians looked pretty much like modern Egyptians. As the video creator says, the majority would have been brown/olive, some black, and some white.
Ok cool. I arrived at the same conclusion, but I was trying to make sure I understood you right. Also, a quick tip if I may; in English, “author” usually refers only to people who write books. For someone who makes a video, “content creator” would work or simply “creator of the video” or something like that. I like to know when I’m doing something wrong or just slightly off in my secondary languages (Spanish & Portuguese), but if you do things a little differently, that’s fine; just ignore that part. God bless!
Oh, hello people! Ready for another video that will have people trying to cancel Metatron?
Well, I´m ready to stand by Metatron!
Yep. You can hear the entire woktard army already starting to lose their blithering minds..
If you disagree with them on anything, they're going to try and destroy you. So you might as well disagree on whatever you want
Unfortunately in this day and age the meet mention of race starts WW3.
@Leo the Anglo-Filipino Did I say left?
I said Woketard.
it is a shame you have to explain such basic truth, but you do a excellent job of a difficult task
Thank you very much
@@metatronytI'm glad you know Cleopatra is Greek. You even show statues to prove your point. Do you know anything about ancient Egypt and what the actual native Pharoahs look like because you did not discuss any of the intermediate periods. The sphink has melanated features think lips you see that before you see anything on the walls. I thought you were going to go into detail witch you couldn't because ancient Egypt was not diverse during the first intermediate period. This video is so stupid it's like trying to say that the navies of America are mixed and diverse because we are now.
@@PrinceRahorakhty
The Sphinx being used to say that old Egypt was black has been debunked by many academics. both ancient art and all else show old Egyptian pharaohs to have been brown and not much different from Egypt's later rulers. Sorry kangz, you gotta go steal another ancient civilization
@@ManiacMayhem7256 So what type of brown people please educate me because if you know anything about Egypt you know there was intermediate periods. I know during the second intermediate period the Hyksos went into power. So what culture of brown people created ancient Egypt was it the Assyrians the Greeks. Or are u upset that a melanated man ruled all of Egypt lol cause even in this video he can't go far back into history Cleopatra is the last Pharoah to rule Egypt and she is not even native Egyptian. You just sound like a racist.
@@ManiacMayhem7256 let me know when you care to discuss the first intermediate period because you guys know nothing. What I said had nothing to do with you and I have more evidence besides the sphink. I only used it because in the video he used a statue of Cleopatra to also prove his point. Wikipedia is a simple source anyone can use.
Finally, the truth emerged that the ancient Egyptians were not of the Negro race, I hope that these people will stop spreading rumors about the civilization of Egypt. I feel that next time there will be other rumors that the king of China was the pharaoh of Egypt
Quel rumeur?Les Egyptiens se représentaient en deux teints différent:Brun sombre que l'on voit dans la temple de Séti 1e et noir charbon comme dans la tombe de Ramsès 3.Le teints brun sombre est général au Africain, le noir charbon est le teint qu on trouve essentiellement au Soudan.Malgré tout les deux teints étaient présente en Egypte et en Nubie.
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Egypt is so old... Cleopatra, Julius Caesar and even parts of the new Kingdom are closer to us today than the era of the "old Kingdom." It's hard to assume based on locale that over 1000s of years tht Egypt did NOT become more and more multiethnic. I wonder the ethnic contrast between the old, middle and new kingdoms... But not something I fall to sleep pondering
Yes cleopatra and Julius Caesar is a lot closer to us in history if you search the really old books it really shows who the people were , I think most people will be surprised if they new who started and produced the early technology
@@tommyjones2356 Please share tom
Exactly they came in the late era. This is just a white washed version to continually align this white supremacist world. Yes allot were European but it was in the last dynasties. Him choosing to began at this point is evil and intentional. Hes literally rewriting history with false info. It's like saying white people are native of the United States. Egypt was Research real ancient Egypt not this bs they are liers. So Africa is Europe. Ok... Also The land cannot be Black and not the People dude. We will all become awoken soon
@She belongs to the Skreets South why say that? They were actually there first. Black Man is everywhere first it would be no civilization without Black. If anyone question we are not ask them where are the European foot notes in history.
@@romejuan1033 Eastern Asia, Central America and Andes at least had their own cradles of civilization spur up completely independently. Other areas might have as well, but these are the most certain ones. I guess if you want to go all the way back to the origins of humanity you'll eventually reach Africa, but that's a completely different topic. Everything that makes us human, other than pure biology, can be traced to multiple origins independent of one another.
I love that example with Washington. It might not be a 100% perfect match with Cleopatra, but it really does make the point very well.
And some of the Founding Fathers visited France for a time, so obviously they should be depicted as looking like frogs. 😁
@@jakeaurod Frogs eating cheese. :P
Cleopatra was from the Tolomei Greek dinasty Who ruled Egipt at that time , so It s true She was a south european woman
@@monicabolognini7962 Yes, but the Ptolemaic dynasty did not displace the native population the way Europeans did in North America, they only replaced a portion of the ruling elite. That is why I said it wasn't a perfect match.
As I said in another comment for this video, I like to remind people that the last leaders of Egypt prior to Rome turning it into an actual province, were Greeks. (Or if you prefer, Macedonians)
@@whyjnot420 Exactly!!!
I really would love to see the results after testing a plurality of mummies across each era of Egyptian history to see if there were even changes in appearance across dynasties. We're some prominent families vastly different in appearance? We're the elite more homogeneous? Did this change over time and by how much and when?
These questions can lead to a baseline understanding of how thier culture functioned and where one could potentially move up the social/economic ladder. Knowing how similar in appearance to other empires they were might also help us understand how easy or difficult it might have been to blend such societies.
We see an example in the Bible of Joseph being described as being mistaken for being an Egyptian. This means there must have at least been some level of similar appearance between a Jewish and Egyptian man from the perspective of a Hebrew family who spent a great deal of time outside.
Well the Ptolemaic dynasty was greek, so I greatly assume they varied in appearance from the past pharaohs.
I do remember reading a study at some point like this, where genetic variation between “upper” (the south) and “lower” (the north) kingdom mummies yielded results that showed more similar genetics between Nubian traits and the upper kingdom mummies while lower kingdom mummies were more common to modern day residents of Asia Minor. I cannot find it at the moment, unfortunately. Might be something to do some digging for, though.
Different dynasties came from different countries as Egypt was conquered. The Pharaohs from Kush, to the south, are referred to as the Black Pharaohs.
I would point to other current ethnic groups with a similar African and Eurasian ancestry. Tuaregs, Eritreans, the Sudanese, Ethiopians, etc. All these cultures have deep African roots with hundreds to thousands of years of genetic mixing with “outsiders”. By today’s standards, Ancient Egyptians would be considered black but black to the same extent that someone like the rapper Drake is considered black. A lot of North East Africans aren’t black like Djimon Hounsou, but most people would consider them black. Before the pan-African movement, Ethiopians didn’t even consider themselves black. Black has been a very fluid term throughout history. Obama is considered black despite being half white. The average North East African is evenly split between native African ancestry and Near East ancestry. And as mentioned in the video, the population gets more “black” the farther south you go. Ancient Egypt was the same, as is modern Egypt. Google “people of Luxor” and it gives you an average view of what most Egyptians look and looked like. Hair texture even ranges from nearly straight on really dark individuals to being extremely curly on really light individuals. Any and all contemporary accounts of Egypt come from a time when Egypt had already been mixing for thousands of years. Mixed populations and their variety of physical characteristics are usually impossible to accurately represent in art, but the Egyptians did a pretty good job.
Science and reason? You are over thinking it mate...just screech and sperg about "mah racism" we wuhz kangz n sh!t!
Sounds like Egypt was similar to the US as far as ethnic diversity. I find it amusing, albeit sad, that people think their skin color defines their identity. I am, as most people in the world nowadays, a decendant of several different ethnicities. Because I live in Texas, most people think I'm "Mexican" which is slightly understandable as I'm of Native American, Mediterranean and Europen ancestry, but none of the European is Spanish and none of the Native American is from the region that is Mexico.
The language, the culture, the religion, the images, the DNA....all agree. North Africa is nothing like sub-Saharan Africa.
The new Vikings Valhalla show on Netflix has black vikings, you should do a video on it.
Sigh… only in Hollywood. I’m so sick of how they distort everything. I’m very glad that the Egyptians are pushing back this time. Thanks for all your efforts in this video.
If you're looking to get educated by Hollywood you should be ashamed.
Egyptians were Black before the white man and arab man came to learn.
How do I know this? Simple
Europeans started to Explore during the 15th century
When were the pyramids built?
Whites have Neanderthal DNA and Human DNA
Blacks naturally have no Neanderthal DNA which means they traveled the world and interbred with Neanderthals to create a hybrid human species.
Goto an Museum and pay attention to detail when looking at the different dynasties and you will see the art work/buildings change.
Same with Gentrification. The people who lived there prior before all the chaos is no longer there.
You won't get any of this information from Hollywood
By Egyptians, don't you mean Arabs? The modern country is called the Arab Republic of Egypt for a reason. The Arabs who are currently there invaded in the 7th century AD, long after the old civilization's demise. Subsequently, the Arabs have as much claim to the pyramids as the Spanish have to Manu Pichu in Peru.
@@jbuk4369 When the Arabs conquered Egypt, the Byzantine Empire was in power. By your logic, does that mean that all the Egyptians were Romans at the time? The people were still Egyptian. With the aid of the people the Arabs were able to quickly oust the Romans out of Egypt. Btw, the Arab army consisted of only around 4,000 men. Egypt at the time had a population of around 5 million.
The majority of Egyptians accepted the faith of the Arabs and made Arabic their official language...how does that change their ethnicity? Look, Chad is a good example because most of the population is still black. They also did the same thing as the Egyptians, they took the faith of the Arabs and the Arabic language it didn't make them ethnically Arabs either. I'm talking about DNA here. It's really not that hard to understand.
@@jbuk4369utting Arabic next the country's name because it's the language we speak doesn't mean that we magically changed ethnicity.
Read you may learn something
Greek + French philosophy admiting the original Egyptiam were black
This list of quotes from ancient, near-recent, and recent scholars that have spoken truthfully on this topic:
“Herodotus says: ‘The Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris.
They were black-skinned and have wooly hair’” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. xv).
Diodorus of Sicily (90 BC - 30 BC) was a Greek historian that wrote the following: “The Ethiopians say that the Egyptians are one of their colonies which was brought into Egypt by Osiris . . . . They add that from them, as from their authors and ancestors, the Egyptians get most of their laws. It is from them that the Egyptians have learned to honor kings as gods and bury them with such pomp; sculpture and writing were invented by the Ethiopians. The Ethiopians cite evidence that they are more ancient than the Egyptians” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 2).
Herodotus asserts that “‘It is certain that the natives of the country [Egypt] are black with the heat” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 1).
“The opinions of all the ancient writers on the Egyptian race is more or less summed up by Gaston Maspero (1846-1916): ‘By the almost unanimous testimony of ancient historians, they belonged to an African race [read: Negro]’ which first settled in Ethiopia, on the Middle Nile; following the course of the river, they gradually reached the sea’”’ (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 2).
French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820) described the Sphinx as “‘typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says: ‘As for me,
I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair . . . . ‘ In other words, the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native-born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood, mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of its original color, while retaining nonetheless the imprint of its original mold” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 27).
The French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820)
Just think that this race of black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech!
Aristotle says, “the Ethiopians and Egyptians are very black” (Ripples Nigeria, 2018).
The French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820) described the Sphinx as “‘typically Negro in all its features’”(Diop, 1974/1955, p. 27).
Upon learning that the ancient Egyptians were Black, French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820), remarks on how faulty it was to believe that Blacks were less intelligent than Whites.
Volney states, “What a subject for meditation, to see the present barbarism and ignorance of the Copts, descendants of the alliance between the profound genius of the Egyptians and the brilliant minds of the Greeks!
According to the African historian John G. Jackson, “there are many physical varieties of African peoples. [However,] the complex skin tones of Africans are mainly black and brown.
Most of the light-skinned people in Africa today are latecomers and interlopers. They have later or no relationship to African ancient history. The Egyptians are a distinct African people. They did not originally come from Europe or Asia. Their history and their culture started in what is now Ethiopia and the Sudan” (Jackson, 2001, p. 6).
Professor Manu Ampim on how ancient Egyptian sculptures are being de-Africanized: “When the artifacts in question were examined meticulously, I found that the methods used to change or damage the images are varied, and they include: subtly altering the shape of the nose on statues by using some type of tomb sanding device; adding on false noses; reshaping or completely destroying the face on temple and eliminating the paint on statues and paintings and thus making the images appear ‘white’; destroying the lower facial structure, particularly the chin and jaw area; putting in false bluish-gray inlaid eyes; plastering over temple images with White Portland Cement during ongoing ‘conservation’ work; and creating outright forgeries! These acts of fraud and deliberate destruction is what I call the handiwork of modern conspirators. I was stunned by such an angry, vicious, and widespread attack against Black images by the enemies of Classical African Civilizations” (Ampim, 2001).
In his book, The Ruins of Empires (1791), French scholar, C. F. Volney wrote the following about the ancient Kemites (Egyptians), “There is a people, now forgotten, discovered, while others were yet barbarians, the elements of the arts and sciences. A race of men now rejected from society for their sable skin and frizzled hair, founded on the study of the laws of nature, those civil and religious systems which still govern the universe” (All Eyes on Media, 2013).
When this text was translated from French to English and published in America, this line was taken out, as not to offend White-Americans.
If the ancient Egyptians were White, there’s no way they would sculpt J. F. Champollion (19th century French Egyptologist) stepping on the head of this ancient Egyptian Pharaoh. The hate for the Black-African is despicable.
This is why upon learning that the ancient Egyptians were Black, French philosopher, Count Constantin de Volney (1757 - 1820) said the following: “Just think that this race of black men, today our slave and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, sciences, and even the use of speech” (Diop, 1974/1955, p. 28).
References:
All Eyes on Media. (2013, Nov. 16). Nile valley contributions to civilization - Anthony T. Browder [Video]. TH-cam. th-cam.com/video/OgXtA7Wyl_w/w-d-xo.html
Ampim, M. (2001). The vanishing evidence of classical African civilizations: “A 2001 Update.” Africana Studies from the Primary Sources with Professor Manu Ampim. manuampim.com/update1.html.
Diop, C. (1974). The African origin of civilization: Myth or reality. (M. Cook, Trans., Ed.). Lawrence Hill & Co. (Original work published 1955).
Jackson, J .G. (2001). Introduction to African civilizations. Citadel Press.
Ripples Nigeria (2018, Nov. 11). Europe and Americas stole and denied Africa’s civilization.” Graffiti. www.ripplesnigeria.com/europe-and-americas-stole-and-denied-africas-civilization
It is unfortunate that you got so many views on your lies. People please view videos from Know Thyself to get the truth. Bias based on race will not help you in any way, knowing the truth will save you while ignorance may just lead to your downfall.
One fact that I found most fascinating (and sometimes a little scary) about the Ancient Egypt is the fact that they were in fact... basically just a bunch of crazy obsessed bureaucrats. We always speak about the monuments, mummies, their gods etc., but a bunch of scolars will tell you that if you had the opportunity to speak to an Ancient Egyptian of what he believes is their greatest accomplishment, they will tell you one word - MAAT. Order. They really had an obsesion about writing every shit down, everything had to go through the chain of bureaucracy, took loads of time etc. And here we are, thousands of years later and the same tax official makes you wanna kill yourself because you didn't fill the right form. Some things never change, eh?
Oh and skin color? If you were born there, spoke their language and worshipped their gods, you were good. Everyone else was basically inferior barbarian no matter the skin tone. Just like everywhere else in that time.
There's a reason the Acient Egypt simply stopped.
Every empire falls from within.
And Moses took that anal retentive trait with him to Israel and the Jews became law makers on paper. Then the Christians followed suit where the clergy copied the scriptures and that's where we get the word clerical.
Your projections have little basis in reality EXCEPT for your observations about MAAT. Kemit and all other members of the Previous Worldwide Civilization (including Atlantis for a time) constructed their 'interpretations of civilization' based on the 'Primordial Organizing Principle', Collective Empathy for All Spirits based on Expanded Perception of the One Law". Kemits' interpretation of Collective Empathy was expressed through the Ethical System called the "48 Affirmations of Maat". The 10 Commandments are a 'loose translation' of some of these Affirmations.
In Kemit, EVERYONE WAS IN A PRIESTHOOD (until the invasions began around 670 BCE), and EVERYONES PRIMARY OBJECTIVE, was to transition to the next level of existence "Justified". Which meant that they adhered to the 48 Affirmations throughout their lifetime. The Queen, King and Everyone in a Priesthood PRIMARY OBJECTIVE was to uphold MAAT.
The Builder Texts at Edfu Temple describes them as the "Blacksmiths of Edfu"...the Keepers of the Sacred Sciences of Zep Tepi (1st Time). The Winged Disc was their Symbol and an annual ceremony, held at EVERY Temple in Kemit and associated Temples across the planet, called "The Union of the Disc", which symbolized the union of the State with the Source of Kemitic Civilization, the "Anu from the Sah" (aka Constellation of Horus, Orion's Belt)
These were the Advanced Beings (not gods) who first relayed to us several 'Great Years' ago (1 GY equals 25,920 solar years), the Primordial Organizing Principle, "Collective Empathy for All Spirits based of Expanded Perception of the One Law". They also relayed that Collective Empathy was embraced by innumerable life-forms across the "Omniverse", the web of 'universes' roughly equal in number to number of stars in our 'universe'. Most of whom are MILLIONS-OF-YEARS older than us.
@@haroldmorris5901 what the hell are you on
@@ravioli_826 Expanded Perception of the One Law
How about a similar videos on the Carthaginians, specifically Hannibal? I feel like Phoenician culture is generally overlooked in mainstream history in favor of Roman and Greek civilization so our understanding of what they were really like is lacking. It’s allowed dubious claims to be made concerning their ethnicity, religion, and many other aspects of their society that we don’t fully understand.
Phonecians come from the levant and were a canaanite group very close to jews in genetics and language. For example i am a hebrew speaker and when I see the name Hannibaal, i read it as khein baal, khein חן means grace and baal was a canaanite god. Since jews are yhwhists they put ya at the end so it’s equivalent to the name chananiyah so you see the root of khein with the yhwh term at the end instead of baal.
Might I suggest Robert Sepehr's work?
You're living in a Phoenician World Order. It is they.
That is be a GREAT suggestion!
@@JJSPARROW1978 agreed
Well done. It's like asking what does a Brazillian or Cuban look like. I also think that the typical Old Kingdom and New Kingdom Egyptian may have looked very different and as you said, differences would also be noticed depending on if they were in the North or South of Egypt. A very objective video. Thanks
Wait a minute! What does a Brazilian look like? That's easy! Anyway you want. Like, literally.
this something similar: th-cam.com/video/lkOm4Ri2WeA/w-d-xo.html
@@GATE12 No, this isn't what I meant. You are talking about the hypocrisy of the media using people's skin tone to do virtue signaling.
The guy who owns this channel has never heard of the great debate on this matter that took place in 1974. It is called the 1974 UNESCO Conference. This took place in front of neutral observers and UNESCO. On one side were 18 so called scholars, consisting of mostly whites and arabs, on the other side were two Blacks, Theophile Obenga and the great Cheikh Anta Diop.
IT WAS NO MATCH. If this was televised maybe we would not be here listening to nonsense, it was that lopsided and UNESCO said it was no match. To learn more here is a short video th-cam.com/video/qkwoym8CSPc/w-d-xo.html
Remember, the owner of this channel is learning about this as you do, he had no idea or he would have mentioned it. People are acting like this is not AFRICA...
Except that a good percentage of the Brazilians and Cubans were descendants of European colonizers or shipped slaves and the indigenous people were distinguishable from Mordern Brazilians. So your argument holds little water
Ancient Egypt is a perfect example of how diverse and connected the whole ancient world actually was. Modern day people underestimate this level of connection and diversity.
Well said.
Good point
more proof that the SJWs don't want diversity but dominance
True, alot of people today (especially those who barely know the history of their own country, let alone others) think that back in that Era every civilization was shut in from the world.
@@marcogenovesi8570 this has nothing to do with "SJWs". A small group of anti racist activists believe that ancient egypt was ruled solely by blacks. A lot of racists think they were all white. This is about history, not narrative.
This man only spit facts and Truth
LOL!
My belief is if one seeks a legitimate source of pride, then earn or achieve something yourself. One thing that we all can agree on, is that the ancient Egyptians, not anyone else, can take credit for the accomplishments of their civilization. This desperation on the part of so many people to seek glory in the achievements of the various ancient civilizations seems ridiculous to me.
I agree
Nobody accuses Europeans of desperation when they discuss ancient Greek or Roman history. Why Africans are the only ones accused of it? For me it's alienation speeking. Historical exactitude does matter, without having to attach oneself to past civilizations. To Cesar what belongs to Cesar... or should we say, to Pharaoh.
@@hollyarandelovic1158"Africans don't even like African Americans"?! Talk for your racist self. "Africa... still has same issues killing each other" how rich coming from someone who is probably from the Balkans, which violently disintegrated itself. Or just take a look at Russia-Ukraine. Or at the World Wars, who started them? Deluded much... Also, who claimed all Africans were Egyptians? You need to develop some comprehension skills... and learn a bit more about your bloody (I mean that literally) history. And then learn African history (start by googling "human face" hieroglyph, Gardiner D2).
@@hollyarandelovic1158 TF??
@@a.r.tavares1322 That's because it's fact that Europeans derive much of their culture from Romans and Greeks. Africans can't say the same for Egypt.
Don't we have a literal living example of what Native North Africans look like in Morocco? The Berbers are an ethnic group that never mixed with the Arab conquerors in the 6th century. And they are very distinct, but they are not sub-Saharan African. I would think Ancient Egyptians probably looked more like Berbers than anything.
I have read several articles on the DNA tests I am sure he mentioned in the video and they were compared both to modern day Turkish people and people of Morocco. What he didn't mention was the DNA was extracted from the teeth of the mummies tested which is a much more accurate ( and in some ways the only) way to test it because of the climate. It gives an extremely good picture of exactly what people in that area of Egypt looked like from 3 different dynasty's that spanned a couple thousand years
The Amazigh are native to the Sahara WEST of the Siwa Oasis. By the time the first dynasties in Egypt arose, the people were already mixed. There are current populations in Africa who display a similar genetic history as Egypt, only we can see them right now. Eritrea, Ethiopia, Djibouti, etc. are all populated by people with a nearly even split between indigenous North Eastern African decent and Near Eastern decent. They aren’t sub-Saharan, but most people would still consider them black. Ethiopians, for example, didn’t consider themselves black until the rise of the pan-African movement. Black is a fluid term. The rapper Drake and former President Obama are both mixed, yet society considers them black.
@@joalvarado8506 the case with Obama as well as Drake are mainly due to the old notion of the one drop rule in the US. Actually a lot more blacks have white ancestors than what they even realize here
@@josephskiles But this old notion sneaks its way into every day life without people realizing it. My point was that racially classifying someone is subjective. If we were to go by the DNA, Egyptians were mixed. But they would be considered black in today’s USA. Google “people of Luxor” for a great example of what Egyptians looked like and still look like. A variety of phenotypes ranging from “black” to middle-eastern, but the majority are dark with curly hair. They are easily distinguishable from “sub-Saharan Africans” but would still be considered “black” by most laymen. This was likely the initial point made by Afro-centrist before they lost their minds.
@@joalvarado8506 I am sorry but no they don't share a similar genetic history to Egypt. Watch the video 30 percent Greek and the Greeks are indistinguishable from the natives but by speech in some cities? Eritrea and Ethiopia never had that much Mediterranean colonization.
Our history is being rewritten constantly to fit a politically correct narrative and I get why many people have interests in doing so.
Lol, yea the south rewrote history to fit a "politically correct" narrative. Putin is re-writing the history of Urkaine to be "woke". It's the 21st century, our history isn't being rewritten, it is being filled in and changing formats (like from books to TH-cam documentaries). It is ironic the same people trying "re-write history" hate political correctness and use that very argument to justify their re-writing of history.
@@sunkings5972 Literally nobody who's against political correctness would condone or agree with re-writing history. But you making that claim proves which tribe you belong to.
Exactly lie after lie!
@@War450 lefties aren't the ones pushing to ban holocaust literature boyo.
@@camronyearout1158 whats your point exactly?? Re writting history is wrong and egyptian is not black period
So cleopatra was Greek… they need to stop calling Greeks ancient Egyptians and claiming the history or ancient Egypt.
1. The way to find out the race of ancient Egyptians. We need to look at the earliest Egyptians. How Egyptians look now, how they cleopatra looked is irrelevant.
2. Greeks where the first to properly document history (to western standards). The Greeks wrote on several occasions that the Egyptians where black with woolly hair. So the earliest concrete written evidence clearly state that the Egyptians were black.
The red herrings (Kemet, colors or the paintings etc)
Greeks NEVER said Egyptians were "Black". Word Herodotus used - melanchores - means simply "dark" aka "darker 👨🏾 than average Greek 👨🏼" Herodotus said they were like Colchians, "dark skinned and curly haired". But Colchians aren't Black Africans - they were Caucasians of brown complexion 🧑🏾🧑🏾 who were ancestors of modern Georgians. Stop spreading nonsens! Herodotus specifically said Egyptians were NOT Black. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 correction “wooly hair”… what race has woolly hair? Disagree? post your source
I myself guessed it, partly because they are dark-skinned and woolly-haired;
- Herodotus Hdt. 2.104
Who would that describe? What other race has wooly hair throughout the whole race?
@@Marcus-kn4mb "Wooly" ies synonymous of CURLY. It is matter of perception. Some people view dark blond as light brown and to some very curly hair appear "wooly". That does not mean person is Black. It is simply matter of assesment. Also, Zahi Hawass or Selima Ikram hair could be decsribed as "wooly" 👨🏽🦳👩🏽🦱 and neither of them is Black. They are both native Egyptians.
You still didn't adressed elephant in room - that is Herodotus compared Egyptians to COLCHIANS who are NOT Black Africans.
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518Curly and wooly are to different things. I’m quite sure they could distinguish curly from wooly hair. As Greeks had curly hair themselves. So show me a Greek in ancient times who considered curly hair wooly. Make that make sense please?
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518Zahi Hawass is a whole liar and a well documented on at that. Who would believe that fool?
In short the ancient Egyptians were multi ethnic but mostly comprising of what we would call middle eastern and North African. But also some black African and Southern Europeans (romans and greeks) thrown into the mix. But foreign populations after a few generations had got genetically assimilated into the native population. So ancient native Egyptians probably didn’t look too different from modern day Egyptians.
Herodotus:Ethiopians and Egyptians have thick lips, broad nose, woolly hair and they are burnt of skin.”
No ! Definitely not
@@viciousv9671 still mad? 😂🤣
@@marcopony1897 mad over myths?
@@viciousv9671 no, you're mad over scientific facts and in strong denial. You know, reality isn't always black or white. Metatron did a good job explaining how ancient egypt was multicultural and inhabitated by different ethnicities. If you refuse to accept that, you're making a clown of yourself, just like those flat earthers. You won't change the truth with your stubborness. Truth doesn't care about your wishful thinking.
Easy answer, no.
Sounds like an attempt at, "cultural appropriation" to me 😂
That's exactly what it is. Not just with Egypt, they also talk about black carthaginians, black romans, black moors... it's a story about a race of people in America that after centuries of slavery, opression, was finally free and wanted to explore their own pasts, only to discover their race was pretty irrelevant in the story of the rise of human civilization, and their most notable contribution was being slaves of others. Which is why they started appropriating various other cultures dating back to the start of human civilization.
Basically: Cleopatra was from an extremely inbred Greek dynasty, so she almost certainly looked Greek. Egypt is at the crossroads of three continents, so you would see a lot of different types of people there, from very white Gauls to dark black Nubians. Egyptians themselves probably looked like what modern Egyptians look like: Varied but mostly fairly tan. However, there was at least one Egyptian dynasty, the 25th, of Nubian origin that was very dark skinned.
There were Celts in Anatolia. So it is likely that Celtic traders would travel to Egypt from Central Anatolia
Herodotus:Ethiopians and Egyptians have thick lips, broad nose, woolly hair and they are burnt of skin.”
Modern Egyptians are not related to the old ones
@@viciousv9671 Actually what Herodotus said is usually translated like this : "the Egyptians said that they considered the Colchians part of Sesostris' army. I myself guessed it, partly because they are dark-skinned and woolly-haired; though that indeed counts for nothing, since other peoples are, too;" Now, Colchians were a people of the Black Sea, more or less modern Georgia. And though Goergians aren't like Swedish, they are not black. The are simply white with kinda dark skin and black hair. The word used is " μελάγχροες"(melaghroes) which is like the modern Greek term for women with black hair, melaghroines. For example Gal Gadot is melaghrini. That's preety much it. Also, it's not "wooly-haired" but basically curly hair.. Modern Egyptian footballer Salah has black curly hair and quite a dark skin too, alluding to an Arab ancestry too, but in any case that's pretty damn close to the description of Herodotus. Now, if you think that Georgians such as Stalin were black ok. But otherwise, keep in mind you're using a bad translation. Ancient Egyptians are described like the Colchians.
@@jackdonith that’s outdated ! He said the Egyptians AND Ethiopians then gave the same description if we follow ur logic Ethiopians aren’t black either 🤨
What sucks is that this is mainly an EMOTIONAL argument, which typically means there's no convincing these people otherwise. Ignorance is bliss............for them.
So convincing people with facts is considered a emotional argument to you?
@@Smoker2777he was talking about afrocentric
@@yazidAlbassel-ci1xq I know buddy
We know what we are. We know what they are. Thats it! White people LOVE to take credit for AFRICAN GREATNESS!!
Wow after having watched your video about Jesus' appearance a while ago, this very topic jumped to my mind and I'm so glad you made this. One time I had googled this out of curiosity and yeah, just as you said, various eurocentric and afrocentric groups would have animated discussions which just left me more confused than anything. In the end I always assumed they were various shades of brown, but damn am I glad that finally there's an educated and factual explanation that clears things up without bias and without the implication of "nuh uh, we are the real descendants" as if that even mattered in the slightest 🙄
Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@metatronyt
Hi Mediterranean would you be willing to set up a live stream with me to discuss this topic?
I think we could have a really good exchange, I think it would be worth your while.
@@metatronyt
Your video ignores Ancient Greek Historiography, including peoples that have interviewed The Builders of The Pyramids; for Ancient Greek Historiography reports/records that The Builders of The Pyramids are a proper subclass of nA nHsw m tA nHsw:
"They say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris having been the leader of the colony. For, speaking generally, what is now Egypt, they maintain, was not land but sea when in the beginning the universe was being formed; afterwards, however, as the Nile during the times of its inundation carried down the mud from Ethiopia, land was gradually built up from the deposit. Also the statement that all the land of the Egyptians is alluvial silt deposited by the river receives the clearest proof, in their opinion, from what takes place at the outlets of the Nile; for as each year new mud is continually gathered together at the mouths of the river, the sea is observed being thrust back by the deposited silt and the land receiving the increase. And the larger part of the customs of the Egyptians are, they hold, Ethiopian, the colonists still preserving their ancient manners. 4 For instance, the belief that their kings are gods, the very special attention which they pay to their burials, and many other matters of a similar nature are Ethiopian practices, while the shapes of their statues and the forms of their letters are Ethiopian; for of the two kinds of writing which the Egyptians have, that which is known as "popular" (demotic) is learned by everyone, while that which is called "sacred" is understood only by the priests of the Egyptians, who learn it from their fathers as one of the things which are not divulged, but among the Ethiopians everyone uses these forms of letters. Furthermore, the orders of the priests, they maintain, have much the same position among both peoples; for all are clean who are engaged in the service of the gods, keeping themselves shaven, like the Egyptian priests, and having the same dress and form of staff, which is shaped like a plough and is carried by their kings, who wear high felt hats which end in a knob at the top and are circled by the serpents which they call asps; and this symbol appears to carry the thought that it will be the lot of those who shall dare to attack the king to encounter death-carrying stings. Many other things are also told by them concerning their own antiquity and the colony which they sent out that became the Egyptians, but about this there is no special need of our writing anything." - The Library of History: Book III - Chapter 3.1 - 3.7 by Diodorus Siculus
Further:
"Since, to bear witness ourselves, during the time of our visit to Egypt, we associated with many of its priests and conversed with not a few ambassadors from Ethiopia as well who were then in Egypt; and after inquiring carefully of them about each matter and testing the stories of the historians, we have composed our account so as to accord with the opinions on which they most fully agree." - The Library of History: Book III - Chapter 11.4 by Diodorus Siculus
Thus, here we have Ancient Historiography observing that both The Priest-Historians of Kamit and The Ambassaors from Ta-Seti recognize that The Builders of The Pyramids are nA nHsw.
@@metatronyt
Further, The Builders of The Pyramids also have depicted their persons in The Selfsame Hues as nA nHsw m tA nHsw.
Thus, your video is promulgating a Revisionist History here.
@@user-pv4mn6dn6d why would you address him as his race lol you weirdo his name's right there
Egypt is at the Ross Roads Between The Middle East and Africa. And there has all ways been a lot of Trade and travel from all over the Mediterranean Sea Coast. There were many of all Skin colors and Peoples, of Who there were many descendents of multi races. So the answer is, Egyptians were not all black. only a part of the people group.
It’s ridiculous that someone is so offended by a concept that they don’t want to learn or risk having their preconceptions disproved. Cleopatra was from the Ptolemaic(descended from Alexander the Great’s general Ptolemy) so yeah, she’s at least partially Greek and probably raised with that culture.
Egypt was invaded and taken over by the time cleopatra was queen Egypt was taken over by Macedonia.... before those times much longer ago Egypt was black ....
@@tobiasisrael3758 You... Do know that Alexander never invaded egypt itself, right? It was part of the old ancient empire that Alexander toppled and took over
@@ruben4257 look you white people do what you want...the whole world is white and white people are god....have a great day
@@tobiasisrael3758 not everyone in the world thinks in silly american black/white nonsense.
your country is not the only place in the world you know.
I'm french caucasian, yet my father was born in algeria, his father was from argentina, and yet, being of mediterranean extraction, I am considered black in the north of my country.
I'm often approached by magrehbis as though I am african, and have had to learn darija to let them know that I have no arabic as they switch to this default when they realise that I do not understand them.
for such a cosmopolitan country, I find americans peculiarly insular.
I find it more amusing that black americans are considered 'american invaders' in the majority of subsaharan africa. they do not see you as african.
never forget that the USA only has one colony, one that was created in 1820, by subscription.
the irony is that this colony is responsible for internicine war in the region since it's founding.
I know , I know, "see! you whitey blah blah blah!"
the country of Liberia, was founded by The Black American Colonial Society.
you had to be a *free black man* to subscribe.
@@tobiasisrael3758 READ A HISTORY BOOK
The ancient Egyptian were the forefathers of the Sudanese they were hamites the land of mizraim which were the son of ham the land of Egypt was a inheritance given to a hametic nation of dark skin origin
Omg I lived this argument and it's craziness in a forum thread. It's nice to see this explained so well. I got tons of crap for saying what the video is saying and especially for even suggesting they weren't fully black.
Am black and that's not my view, don't make this a white vs black issue
@@lightspeed2034 I never said anything about the race of the people upset with me, it was comments so I assume multiple races were represented.
They weren't black
I was replying to @raptor
They sure weren’t white that’s for sure
I am considered black In my family dna black is a mixture of Hebrew, west African coastline tribes, Spaniards, and Irish, due to the slave trade. Some Pharoahs were dark Afficans and some were brown from Egypt. Either way the Pharoah's were of color.
So because they were "of colour" you people feel you have the right to claim ownership over an entire culture, I guess White people can claim Japanese culture because the Japanese have White skin then.
@@kernal1127 Egypt is messed up now because it has totally turned white. Little by little they have lighten the Egyptians. Now this is what they are trying to do it to America. You are very strategic people. You don’t just do things without knowing the outcome. Your outcome for America is to deplete the black population by lightening them. You open the floodgates and pay people to marry black peoples solely to get rid of them. That is the story of Egypt. The white man was welcome into a black Africa and then turn against the blacks there and start lightening up the whole land. There obviously was a lot of colorists and racist White people there in a black land. You should have stayed in Europe because you brought with you hate, discrimination, imperial attitude and destruction.
North Africa was Caucasian since the back to Africa migrations 24.000 years ago
@@amazingamazigh6847 bull crap
@@nala8920 hate springs to mind when reading your comment
The Nubian Pharaohs were indisputably Black.
Nubian or Kushite Pharaohs: other, common name of the pharaohs of the Twenty-fifth dynasty, which originally ruled the Nubian kingdom of Napata. They ruled over Egypt from the late eighth century to 666 BCE.
Not 100% sure if you're trying to make a point here. Yes the Nubians ruled for a short time in Egypt. Just like Cleopatra for example, she was not the same ethnicity as the people she ruled over.
@@morningstarxiv342 simply sharing knowledge. Either learn from it and grow or ignore it and remain untutored. But there's no need for taking an adversarial tone or attempting to debate. I'm sure there were several people who appreciated me sharing bcz prior to, they'd never known.
Black doesn’t mean much tbh, yes they would’ve been considered black by modern standards but that doesn’t mean they’d be related in any way to west Africans in fact they would’ve been most closely related to modern Nubians, Ethiopians, Somalis etc.
@@gemitulcacma7986 unlike people from Somalia , Ethiopia and the others in the horn of Africa that are cushites , Nubians have a similar look to that of majority of sub Saharan Africans. In fact they tend to be quiet dark
Nubia was never a country, but a region. Part of Upper Egypt was part of the Nubian region at the first cataract. White media is meant to deceive you. The culture started from the south and push north. It is on the Narmer Palette. By presenting Nubia as a country they get to separate the natives who fled the invasion and resettled south. Ever wonder why the Kemet army was black soldiers? The media tried to spin it as recruited mercenaries. This guy in the video is still not speaking the truth and using those ceremonial red ochres (males) and yellow ochres(females) as representative of skin color. Google the ochres as they still use them in ceremonies in neighboring countries.
Egyptians, Israelites, Olmecs, Moors, Native Americans, Aztecs, European Royalty, etc. They claims to be everyone EXCEPT Sub-Saharan africans. Because... well, you know why.
Sub-Saharan African was made up by Albion people in 1899.
They even claimed to be persian but they don't know who persians even we're or where they originated from
This comment is underrated..😅
Bc they lived north of the Sahara o.0
Sooo underrated..
Interestingly, the agricultural land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers was known historically as the Sawad (black). Not because the Iraqis were black but the soil was black due to its richness and fertility. This has been well documented in various historical writings at the time and is why there is not the same arguments for Iraqis being black Africans.
Probably because Iraq does not have a huge black culture in the country today leaving people wondering where did they come from. Or Maybe because of the history of other African tribes ruling Egypt at different times through it's history. Or the likely chance that during all the time of its rule marriages with other African tribes would have occurred.
Location is everything
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Kemet means black, nubia means black, Ethiopia means black, sudan means black..
It's not the land, but rather the people...
@@pheleekseh1391 Nubia means gold from the Egyptian "nbw" as it was a region known for gold production.
Ethiopia does mean "burnt face" referring to the color of the people, but it is of Greek origin and refers to a region much larger than the country known by that name today. The Hebrews called it Cush.
The words are essentially foreign as the people who lived there during that time did not refer to themselves by those names.