Can you beat Pokemon if all stat drops are permanent?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ธ.ค. 2021
- How hard can it be to defeat Pokemon if the stat drops are all permanent?
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when i was a kid, i though all stat drops and stat increases were permanent, id buy a bunch of X items and use them all in a wild Pokemon encounter to prepare for future fights
That would be hell
Did this on the Pokemon Blue
Bro I love that u shared this and I don't truly u judge u for this but u must of been high on angel dust 🤧
I did as well. I kept restarting because of the tail whipping rattatas lol
@@ryanhillier107 it's called being a child my dude, and it's not like older games actually explained how it worked very well lol
Me: well all those leers gonna suck
Ant: lets say the opponent hits us with a sand attack
Me: OH GOD
Haha ditto 😝
I was more surprised by the stat drops being able to go below 6, so I thought "he has to be 6 times stronger/luckier " before hearing that stat drops go below 6
I feel like the worst would be special drops because they ruin two stats
@@jatarokemuri5443 that doesn't matter if you can't hit anything, in the first place. Permanent accuracy drops are basically a death sentence to anyone on your team.
@@some_guy_that oooooooooooooooooloo
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Predicting a rough early game and an almost normal endgame.
I agree, you can catch extra pokemon similar to the delevel one. It will be interesting for sure
Ok just a couple points for anyone who doesn't know gen1 very well:
-EV's do not exist. Instead it's a Stat xp system(not going to go in depth with this you can look it up)
-Crits are based off of a pokemons BASE speed Stat. The equation is [base speed/512]
-There are no abilities in this gen
-There are no held items in this gen
-there is a bug that can allow ANY attack to miss even if it has "100%" accuracy. Except for swift(there's is a 1/256 chance an attack misses)
-Any one hit KO move will always miss if the pokemon who uses the attack has a lower speed than the opposing pokemon, even if you use accuracy increasing items.
-Since he went with bulbasaur, as soon as he gets toxic leech seed he could become a God lol. In gen1 toxic and leech seed run off the same damage counter.
So when toxic starts building up leech seed will start doing the same damage and thus heal more.
-If a pokemon gets hit with toxic, if the player switchs the pokemon out it resets the toxic to only do regular poison damage for the remainder of the battle.
-Crits ignore all Stat buffs and opposing Pokémon Stat buffs/debuffs.
-Focus energy actually lowers the pokemons crit chance instead of raising it.
-The badge boost glitch raises a pokemons stats by 12.5% every time a buff/debuff is applied(EX: having all badges, if you use harden not only will your def be raised, but your attack, speed, and special will raise. If you get hit with tail whip, your def will drop but your att, speed, and special will rise.)
-"It's super effective!/It's not very effective..." there is a bug that, when using a move, the game only checks the second typing of dual type mon's that will show this message but will be doing neutral damage if applicable.
-When a pokemon uses Bide if you use an attacking move 1st turn, and then use a status move, like growl, the damage from the 1st turn will be applied to the second turn thus adding more damage.
-Counter only works if hit by a normal or fighting move.
There's a lot more to gen1 bugs but I just put these since chat kept asking/making comments about these points.
Just FYI regqrding the second type messaging, that's not quite accurate.
If type 1 has a message(super/not very effective) and type 2 doesn't it'll still display the first message.
The messages are overwritten in order though which is why message 2 has priority.
First the game calculates damage ignoring typing.
It resets the type effectiveness message to be empty(no message)
It then checks the first type, if super effective store that message and multiply damage by 2. If not very effective store that message and divide damage by 2. If completely blocked multiply damage by 0(no message stored because that's checked later).
Then it checks type 2 in the same way overwriting the message.
Then it checks if the damage was 0 to set the no effect message.
This also explains why not very effect/super effective typing always results in even damage and how no effect has even higher priotiy than the second typing.
@@scragar thanks for verifying! I was just going off memory and new that wasn't quite right.
Yea I should've said type 2 was prioritized.
X Accuracy in Gen 1 doesn’t just raise accuracy by a stage, it means that any move ignores accuracy checks to always hit, except for moves with another condition like OHKO moves that require outspeeding.
Also, Counter can actually counter items in Gen 1.
@@elephystry ooh I didn't know that about x-acc.
But what do you mean Counter can counter items?
I forgot that counter will work if Substitute is up. That was changed in Gen2.
There's also some wonkyness when used with multihit moves as it only counters the damage done from the last hit.
I love how every challenge there is that first 20 minute of everyone asking the same question that's in the title
20 minutes? I'm 1h30 into it and still every other comment is "what about stat buffs?" And "what about stat changes from paralysis"
@@Jafrmi96 To be fair for the paralysis/burn one even Ant wasn't sure about it at the start and had to get Atsign to clarify it for him.
@@ManiacalSpy but what if he gets growled?
That’s how every small ant stream goes too 🤣🤣🤣 usually always the same questions too!!
I’m
"we got Leech seed now, let's gooo!" *proceeds to slam bulbasaur into kakuna without leech seeding*
Twitch Chat be like Title Stat Drops…… So, If you use teleport are you permanently teleported??
Does the Pokemon centre permanently heal your Pokemon?
If you die in the game, do you permanently die in real life?
If you use hyper beam... do you recharge permantely
It still boggles my mind that these games are close to 30 years old, they have never altered the obedience mechanics once, and there are still people who believe non-traded pokemon can disobey you.
they are 23 years old not 30
@@miccuzzzo Red and Green were realeased in 1996 so that's 26 years but I meant to close to.
I could be wrong, but I think for a few gens when you got a gym badge it used the verbage "in addition, Pokemon up to level ___ will obey!" or something like that, so lots of people assume it applied to all Pokemon, not just traded ones
@@MamaSymphonia In the older games it wasn't clear in the actual game, you can see it in this video when he gets the Cascade Badge. It was shortened likely due to character limitations. I think the manual specified it more clearly. Combined with the anime where pokemon regularly disobeyed trainers that caught them, it's not hard to see where the misconception comes from.
However it only applies to traded pokemon, and has only ever applied to traded pokemon. Anyone remembering a non-traded pokemon not obeying them is lying or misremembering. It's very easy to figure this out just by overlevelling your current gym badge level, its not insane luck that it always obeys still. The level limitation applies to any pokemon with a different trainer ID than your own, that's why gift pokemon are often considered traded.
@@MiriaJiyuu except there is an NPC who outright tells you it only affects outsiders before you ever get to Misty and Misty's quote even says, "that includes even outsiders", again highlighting that obedience is only an issue with _traded_ Pokémon.
I love the questions about attacks that are not in Gen 1
36:58 "trev would be great for a trick room team" - Gen 4
37:05 "would clear smog work?" - Gen 5
the first one isn't a question. its a statement.
He should have tried Dragon Ascent. Smh.
Nah just use Z celebrate
@@Itsxfutile no all he needs is topsy turvy, instant OP
5:55 "If your favourite is Charizard then you're game freak. Youre game freak, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just something the people around you should know about" -WolfyVGC
For one of these, when you get a rat looking Pokémon, name it “Ratsign”
cat like pokemon can be catsign, and bats can be batsign
@@pinkkam Snorlax gotta be Fatsign
This sounds like a fun and not at all frustrating gameplay experience and I'm here for it.
Looks like sword/shield permanently dropped chats IQ stats
I watched a playthrough and I lost 20 IQ points.
The first battle set the tone for this whole concept lol. Not only did Blue completely cripple Bulbasaur’s attack, he still won the battle as well.
Who's Blue? I only saw SmallAnt fight THEMAN.
Gen 1 is the hardest gen to play this in. If you get growled too much, then you might deal too little damage and deal 0 damage, which registeres as a miss.
Yeah but it's harder to get growled since growl can miss in gen 1
Been blessed with these VODS lately
So many people asking "Can you lower an opponents pokemons stats permanently?"
....come on people, use your brain 🤦♂️
Lower their stats. Whiteout. Go back in. What's not to get? Also, rival
@@alikengi17 you make a fair point. But also, why would they code that in? It wouldn't make it a challenge cause then you just go in with a bunch of throw away mons, lower stats then come in to sweep with anything.
@@wiseguise5960 sometimes romhacks miss details like that, but also atsign is kind of a god
@@alikengi17 True true. I'm really interested to see how this ends, and why the storage box was all wonky.
@@alikengi17 Its not missing details, its about not wasting time and resources for stupid things
I remember as a kid first playing Pokemon being terrified of stat dropping moves in the first half hour or so of the game because I thought it would be permanent
I had similar thoughts, but my mistake was thinking that the stat drops would persist until I healed at a pokemon center.
@@revenevan11 that would actually be cool. Keep the existing +/-6 system, but instead of resetting at the end of battle it resets when you reset your stats with a move or heal at a center.
Although thinking about it more that would be busted for swords dance or belly drum or any similar moves
@@revenevan11 i thought this as well. maybe because my first pokemon game was mystery dungeon lol.
My Childself was even more dense xD I used noneffective moves because I.. And I'm not kidding ... LIKED THE SOUND BETTER!
I guess my brain couldn't even comprehend THAT Statdrops MIGHT be permanent 😂
I was thinking of this idea for years. I never thought someone would actually do it.
bro me too
@UCk2aQz1GuMME2rmh3p_VfCw no disrespect to you either but not everyone cares about making content, some people are just fine doing other things with their time and simply enjoy watching.
I had this idea a few years back. Glad Small Ant, or someone thought about it. But my idea was subtracting from the Stats rather then just Division. Still really cool to see an idea similar to mine applied.
This is a dumb idea for this generation because you can easily get a level 100 pokemon before pewter gym with just a escape rope.
@@kurtisnt8685 What did UCk say?
Chats braincells dropped a lot this stream
Bold of you to assume they were any higher beforehand
It's because stat drops are permanent
Someone must've thrown sand in their face
the amount of people not getting that stat drops are in fact permanent, the amount of people asking what shiny odds this game has and the amount of people suggesting to use a pokemon with ability X...
...is too damn high!
For such over talked about games, it seems that no one has any idea how they actually work
What in the world is ability X?
@@geraldpfeffer not sure if trolling, but there’s no “ability X”, people just say the letter X as like a “fill in the blank” kinda word
For example, if I said “car X” you could fill in the blank with any brand of car, like a Hyundai or a Jeep
@@demonyckscreations9990 it was meant to be a joke, but I do appreciate you explaining it
@@geraldpfeffer ngl you got me. for a moment i was like "wtf. don't people say that in english?" (because english is not my native language) 😅
It seems like most people in chat didnt know that all pokemon streamers agree that whatever pokemon game they stream they can put in on sword and shield category
people have the stupidest questions in twitch chat I wish the streamer would ignore it
I thought they just had to do that since twitch only let's you pick the newest game? I don't know I don't use twitch much.
@@somethingnooneused Nah, you can definitely pick the other games as categories
@@somethingnooneused Nah, it's because it's better for viewership if all pokemon streams are collected under one game, instead of 10 different ones
All previous games of the series go under the category of the newest game in the series. Like it's the same with Sims, Sims 2 and 3 streamers stream under the Sims 4 category as well. This is normal and acceptable, and generally well understood in most communities.
I'm always shocked at how dumb the chat is... constant "do boosts last forever?", "what about clear body?", "what is the challenge?" I mean... it's all in the title. But as always fun to watch Ant doing challenges. This was so much cooler than I thought it would be.
"Ok this doesn't seem so bad"
It goes below minus 6
"Fuck"
shout out to the guy who said "that's snes, not n64" at 1:06:35 as if he knows what console ant is on better than ant does
that's twitch chat for you
Smants chat aren't the brightest bulbs
This vod is blessed, while watching it I caught ho-oh with a single pokeball, and then I found a SHINY floatzel, my 4th ever shiny! I usually have garbage luck in pokemon, too. This video is absolutely blessed.
When he said stat buffs were still temporary, my plan immediately went out the window.
Says all stat drops are permanent not stat changes lmao. If buffs were included it would've said that.
@@DrMaoh read the commentary right
I loved the no damage run and it would be great to see a perma damage run!!
He did a no heals run
@@jeremymcadam7400 a think a permanent damage run would have to lower your max hp after each battle to be equal to your current hp. Meaning that a Pokémon will be permanently weaker, similar to this one.
No idea how fainting would work. Just delete the team member from your party?
@@DemonMankeyMan oh that's smart
@@DemonMankeyMan You can regain hp by levelling up a fainted pokemon by using a rare candy which also revives it
@@DemonMankeyMan I mean that’s kinda just minimal damage without healing
I never cared about stat moves because they weren't permanent, I remember checking stats after a battle and things didn't change, so I never realized how good stat increases could be until like, a year or two ago.
The starting ones are useful very early then tend to be quite bad for the average player as you expect to 1hko everything with over levelled pokemon.
The amount of clueless Pokémon viewers asking questions is kinda concerning lol
he should catch a ditto since that will always change his stats to his opponents
The thing is, you can't catch ditto until you're almost at koga; at which point this run will be much easier anyway.
If wooper were in this game he would be unfazed by the stat drops
Only small ant would do something this crazy and time consuming
I didn't because sand attack didn't seem permanent.
58:40 this is the kind of sound I might expect someone to be self conscious about. Smant, your singing is beautiful!
Cool challenge man, warms my heart to see something new
Keep up the great work
imagine if this also applied to the rival, or any other recurring trainers there might be
you could just destroy any of his consistent pokémon with leer or sand-attack
Sadly, even if the stat drops on the opponents were permanent, this would not be the case, for Gen 1 uses different Trainer IDs for each of the battles, such as "Rival_1_Bulbasaur" or "Rival_3_Bulbasuar". I'm not very good at explaining things like these, so I'll direct you to another video to someone who is better than me at explaining this.
th-cam.com/video/8yUPhRJtNJM/w-d-xo.html&t
@@semajniomet981 Thats exactly how it works in every Pokemon game
@@UltraAryan10 Somehow I hadn't realized that, even though it would make perfect sense for that to be true.
@@semajniomet981 This even might be universally true for more than 99% of all games ever made that use something even slightly similar to trainers. In fact Gen 1 is a bit of an exception which treats rival (and also gym leaders and elite four) slightly uniquely since they have Pokemon with varying level, which if you noticed all generic trainers have all Pokemon with the same exact level. This way they saved storage and fit more trainers into the game, that is no longer true for Gen 3+ though which treat all trainers including all repeated battles as a distinct trainer with varying amount of information, and also equally.
@@semajniomet981 you could recode the trainer id to stay the same
what i love about this is how you can tell how old the people in chat are by the questions they ask. If they dont know jack about gen 1-3 theyre definitely not older than 20
Unless they are a pokemon nerd and just know about every gen for no reason
@@UltraAryan10 well, yeah, im not talking about knowing specific stats and stuff but things like "is that a shiny?!" when those didnt exist untill gen 2.... TECHNICALLY. because the pikachu from pokemon yellow was ALWAYS a shiny if traded to a later gen.
@@fatnfurious4370 I have never seen the Pikachu from Pokemon Yellow always being shiny, its always holding a Light Ball but thats everything special about it. And if you are talking about technicalities, Gen 2 determined shinies using DVs which also exist in Gen 1 so a Pokemon you trade can be shiny, it just won't show up in Gen 1.
Yo, awesome vod
I think a permanent damage run would be a fantastic idea. One might think if your Pokemon faints it's dead for good, but Rare Candies actually revive fainted Pokemon with the added health.
as he said, he did a "no damage run", which is far more difficult than permanent damage
@@ankthares6474 I didn't say it'd be harder, it would just be different and interesting in its own way
@@NeoPerfectPhantom I guess for someone that does not wanna do no damage run because its pain
i think ther might be a bug in atsign's code, where if you level up doing a battle where you stat got droped the stat change will not be permanent. The Ratata at 1.19.00 use tail whip on bulb and bulb had 24 defence at leve 14. But after the batlle bulb was at level 15 and have 25 defence. Trev as a comparation had 19 defence at level 10 but only 12 after the ekans used leer in the same battle.
-1 is 2/(2+1) which is 0.67x so yes there was very likely a bug that atsign missed
@Troy Sly It was too big of a raise to be possible for it to account for it
it's gen 1, give it a break
@@omnitroph1501 Its a bug in atsign's code not in gen 1
@@UltraAryan10 I was attempting a joke. I have apparently failed.
"making a patch to fix all the bugs in Gen 1, it'd be so easy to fix them"
You haven't done programming, fixing bugs tends to introduce more bugs. "99 bugs in the code 99 bugs in the code, fix one, compile it now, 129 bugs in the code"
Well. Yes, but some of these bugs are pretty easy to fix overall.
That's the difference between a good and bad programmer, but in general they are more smaller bugs if that happens that don't generate new bugs when you solve them.
I always like watching how at the beginning he’s always so excited but as he goes through he slowly gets more and more annoyed and tired of the challenge
the most painful sounding challenge yet gonna enjoy this one
Sand attack will be a death sentence
Sand attack I a bitch in a normal run, couldn't imagine getting it in this run
If you told me that this was just how Gen 1 works, it would sound pretty normal tbh… also, this feels like something that could be really funny with underflow :)
Wouldnt underflow unfortunately, since it's just division and not subtraction
Underflow could be in the emerald negative exp
I remember getting lvl 100 pokemons because underflow in that mod XD
@@thefriendorthefoe Division can underflow
@@skipfred you speek da troof
Cloyster is still good nowdays, just needs a shell smash and can sweep an unprepared team
I learned this when I did a dragons only run of sw/sh and a random cloyster almost swept my whole team (apple boi so TAANNNKYYY)
But the defense drop would be permanent in this run
@@maddiesmenagerie8853yes but his base defence stat is like 180
Shell smash doesn't exist in Gen1 sadly.
@@TropeHatComics SmallAnt said that back then Cloyster was good, I just said that he is still good rn if you can use it well
This is so cool. It's like a way different flavor of a nuzlocke. it's cool that when pokemon get turned off, there's still a use. Atsign was like your trusty chefs knife that Theman dropped and broke. But you could still grind it down into a paring knife. Or a potato masher.
IDK if it exists, but you should have a mod where all trainers are as hard as Cynthia, Level 3 AI I think
emerald kaizo is pretty hard
I like the idea for the permanent damage run, reminds me of Many a True Nerd's Fallout Yolo runs beating the game on a single health bar.
1:56:40 Since permanent stat changes don't apply in battle, it's still considering it to be a temporary defense drop, in gen one crits ignore all stat changes.
Nice vod, a good way to spend a few hours :)
ngl when I was little, I thought this was how pokemon actually worked
Got to love the old games for the lack of everything, can't believe he is doing this and sane enough to do this!! You go, Smant!! Hope you do this on another gen! I hope Alola!! See some only status moves again!!
"Because Red got 1 in a million odds, never seen anything like it"
Bro, right before that Blue gave you 1 in a *billion*, just not in your favor. That run was blursed.
uh blooming + cursed
If you do the perm-damage run, make it so that Nurse Joy sets your team to 1HP (no blackouts)
I can't believe someone finally did this challenge. I thought of this last year I feel like I commented about it somewhere but I dont remember.
Nobody:
PIdgeys: Im about to end this mans' whole career!
Small ant vods are amazing
I just got Pokémon Shining Pearl for Christmas, so I had this on while I was playing.
It amazes me how many people believe your own Pokemon won't obey you at high levels without certain badges. I've always grinded in Pokemon and never once has one disobeyed. Only ones that were traded to me from friends. Have people really stopped training their Pokemon in fear of this?
I played Blue version the week it was released. This is actually what the game would look like if you put it in a GBC. I was thrilled when I upgraded to it from my gameboy pocket.
Lol, I had a friend who never even made it into Viridian forest with his level 42 Blastoise. He thought Pokemon was very boring until he had the route forward explained to him.
Did he get softlocked
I love the one guy in chat, "does this affect mega evolutions?"
So if this was gen 3, he'd be able to have a level 100 pokemon with 1 in every stat, including HP
Wait, how can HP be lowered???
@@maddiesmenagerie8853 Shedinja has 1 HP permanently, that's why it would only be possible in gen 3
Home claws, work up, or howl would be a godsend for this type of challenge
Man it's crazy how many people struggled with the concept of permanent during that stream, holy balls
I really want to get this mod. This is exactly my level of desired challenge for the early Pokémon gens.
I had this idea a long time ago. I just never knew how one could impliment it. Glad someone else thought of it too
i got used to watching the nice abbreviated versions and then this one, boom 1 hour in viridian forest
The very idea of this makes me think 'Toxic Snorlax?'
i just had this thought earlier, and suddenly here’s the vod. i swear, youtube must be psychic.
I think this would be a really interesting challenge in later gens too, as you would have more options to play around stat drops.
your costume story reminded me of how i learnt what giving someone the middle finger meant
i was a really lonely kid so at one point when i realized that if i looked at my palm and pulled my middle finger down, it kind of looked like a weird face, i would use that as a physical representation of my imaginary friend
and then i would do the opposite, make a fist and then stick out my middle finger, and imagine there were helicopter blades spinning around it so he could "fly"
and then
and then i got in trouble for talking to him in class (grade three i think?)
"if you cant stop talking to your imaginary friend go to the principals office"
wait a way out of class? sweet "okay bye, flight mode go"
*flips off the entire class and walks out*
You are a mad lad, my dude.
You getting growled 6 TIMES off rip had me LOLING
So we're all in agreeance that this is how we thought the game worked anyways as kids?
You could really feel his frustration with chat in this one
This is going to be a good one
All stats drops being permanent sounds like something straight out of gen 1
the pauses between smallant's words made me realize how much editing is done to fit for the main youtube channel
dang the king of retail from nl stuff. NL is lovely with that.
Set damage attacks like nightshade and dragon rage are godsends in this kind of challenge.
Excellent idea for a rom hack/challenge
guard spec would have been a worthwhile investment.
I wasn't able to catch this stream, but why didn't anyone tell this man of the Pikachu that's in Veridian Forest? Leveling up to lvl 25 and I believe it learns thunderbolt, and he wouldn't have to worry about the pidgeotto anymore.
Just a small thing I noticed at about 1:14:00. Seems like Nidoran's speed was already max dropped when Caterpie tried String Shot here. So max stat drops is 6 and haze could maybe work.
Congrats to you for fixing the time stamp
It only works if done during the battle, once the fight is over or the pokemon is switched the current stats are updated to match the modified value.
So could work, but isn't massively reliable because of how the mod works.
Imagine doing this in gen VII and grinding Mantine surfing to raise stats:
Holy shit, that speedrun was nuts.
Ant, your not just crazy your completly insane
Even that's an understatement
Another one you can do, health drops are permanent "from battle" and the only way to increase your hp is by leveling, evolving, or using hp up
Should give this to pokemon challenges for a nuzlocke challenge lol
I think this would be a real interesting way to play the game if it reset after every pokestop vist
It would. And it would be just like a lot of people (including me) thought the game worked as kids, because no one ever said anything to the contrary.
You should try out interviewing people on stream, ask then for a brief intro and if you find it intresting u invite them to a voice chat, you will hear incredible stuff, and its funny to watch
"I don't have a gameboy color light speed" lmao
Yo imagine Burns Permanently Halved Attack 😳
Blaine and the Rival would be laughing Butts off!
I'd love to play that challenge too!
I was thinking of this idea today as well
I'm curious how this handles badge boosts, I'm assuming it leaves them as is and doesn't carry over into the next battle.
Never mind, it was addressed early
When I was a kid I thought this was how it worked