Jeff, this is Jim Scott in Oregon. I have a confession to make to you. As you know, you guy's built me that 45 pound longbow last year. Between the time that I ordered my bow from you and the time that I actually got it, I had an accident and ended up in the hospital for about a week and then got back home. I was really weak and lost around 30 t0 35 pounds, and it has been a slow recovery. I started shooting your bow soon after that and I was struggling with it at first but then got used to shooting it and can shoot it all day long now. During that first month or two shooting your bow I had an idea, and I ordered one of those cheap bows you are talking about in 50 pounds. The reason I bought that bow was to build myself up faster so that it would be easier to shoot your bow. Well I hate to say this, but in order to back up what you are saying here, that cheap bow actually shoots every bit as good as your bow does. I was blown away after the first few shots with it. Now don't get me wrong, your bow has a lot of special meaning to me and it's the only one I shoot now and hunt with. But what you are telling people here is absolutely true. Those cheap bows are amazing and really shoot darned good. OK Jeff, thats all I had to say. Glad to see you still making video's. Take care buddy and say hello to Ty for me. Jim
Archers! Please watch and listen to this post three times and pay very close attention to the shot sequence! This archer Mr.Jeff Phillips has mastered the shot sequence to the point of Ridiculous! Now granted , arrows are spined correctly the incerts are correct the field points are correct the string is correct, however, Phillips is lining up his elbow with the point of his arrow, his anchor point is consistent and his release is straight back! He can literally shoot any bow of any make or quality Phillips is an absolute MASTER archer ! 🏹🦌
I have been hunting with traditional 30 years l always learn something from your videos l have used bows from $800 TO $120 I have a black hunter longbow and another $120 longbow from Amazon they are the best shooting bows l have ever owned thanks for the video
Jeff, I love all your videos and I love how you end them too. Always giving thanks to our creator, Jesus Christ. I wanted to know if you could talk about Nocks and Nock tension and how they affect the arrow and the arrow flight. This is only a request and no worries if you can't. I can't wait for archery season already and it's April 1 and this is no Joke :)
I agree 100%. I have a Bear take down and a Thunder child. I have a sage and if set up properly it shoot just as good. It doesn’t look as good but, it shoots as good.
Your right, I’m about to stock several of the really good “ affordable “ bows and start selling hunt ready packages that’ll shoot great and not cost a fortune lol
I agree, Jeff! I shoot just as accurately with my 1970's Bear recurve for $120, as I do with my Big Jims Thunderchild, that was $1200! I so enjoy your videos! Please keep making them!
Another reason you are spot on. Im learning archery, so im learning form, you dont need an expensive bow to learn good form, even though as im doing is take a course, mine hopefully starts September 60 uk for an 8 week course, then if i want i can join the club. But the course is also important because you then get a piece of paper stating youve took a course and can then shoot outside of youre club, say do a 3d range, in uk you need this form to allow that. So yes, get a cheap but good bow, all the ones hes said ive researched and they are fantastic bows for the price. My goal is to compete, thus after my course i will then invest on a bow that is compilation standard. This man is absolutely correct on everything hes saying, so much so hes in my archery list, that is public for anyone to see.
@@daddoesthings9461 😅😅 yes and it sucks. We are too strict about keeping ourselves safe. Apart of the reason i got a bow was also house defence because we can't freely have firearms, it's stupid, it's very controlling, and some of it is down to just wanting you're money
@digitaldogs233 be careful what you say bro you could get raided. Saying that from genuine concern. As someone who could go buy a hunting rifle at 18 years old, take it home and shoot it, legally and without any contact with law enforcement...... I can't even imagine.
@digitaldogs233 and what you said about them wanting your money is exactly right, if the courses where about safety they would be free. That way they where accessible to anyone.
@@daddoesthings9461 I get you, but crazy thing is i can carry my bow with arrows around and its legal. We don't need a licence too own a bow or cross bow, the "licence" is just so other clubs know you've been trained. But i can go out hunting for rabbits if i wanted to. Our situation on this is confusing and dumb. As for hush hush one of the teachers was a cop lol, and i told him that reason, and he said i don't blame you, but be very careful because even in a house invasion if i shot a guy i would be arrested for some stupid thing.
Great video ! Thank you. I haven't had a bow for around 50 years but would like to start shooting archery for fun. I will be rewatching this vid many times. !
Great video Jeff! I couldn't agree more with you. I think the radiused side plate helps to smooth the arrow launch when it's taking power from the limbs rather than bows that have a flat side plate with a 90 degree corner to shoot around. Having both shelf and side plate radiused seems to me to make it more smooth and accurate. Keep your videos coming and God bless!
This! I've often wondered why more bows don't feature a radiused sideplate (and, for that matter, the shelf)at the deepest part of the grip. I altered mine and noticed a difference right away!
Just bought 2 Black Hunter Longbows last month. I haven't shot a traditional bow since 2006. My first 6 arrows at 10 yards were stacked in there like I had been shooting for years. $67. For a set of extra limbs or $97. For a whole bow. Have a few extra laying around, and maybe you can get a friend started shooting. They are fun sticks.
This was an awesome video I’ve got me a Southwest Archery Ghost Take down bow I paid at the time like 159 dollars and the limbs are only 79 dollars so yeah I absolutely love that bow and I can shoot that bow lights out I use it for both 3D and for hunting
Great video brother, I’ve seen the bow in your hands as low as $49 at Christmas, same color, came with a string, tab, stringer and armguard too, a couple people I know picked them up and love them
My preferred method of aiming is a 25yd fixed crawl (combination of gap and string walking)... For Hunting (yeah I use string walking to aim in the off season), during deer season at 20 yards I aim for the bottom of the chest, if 30 yards I aim for the top of the shoulder... for a whitetail, and adjust for larger or smaller animals accordingly... puts the stick in the Vitals pretty much every time
I'm glad to see all these cheap Chinese recurve bows out there nowadays. And we're talking takedowns, which used to be more expensive than one-piece! The price of today's American-made recurves have gotten out of reach for many people. I bought my first Howatt Hunter back in 1986 from a pre-internet, mail-order company called Bowhunter's Discount Warehouse for $100, which I thought was outrageous at the time.
Im loving youre content. I'm a bigginer archer own 3 bows but by far my best bow is my SAMICK SAGE its just so user friendly, its light, has the ability to put a plunger on, and sites, but tbh i like to shoot without one, one could say im an instinctive archer even as a learner, because alot of what you say rings true in how i approach archery. Big thumbs up. Ps i live in uk and have had real bad experiences buying from amazon, so i got my Samick from a proper archer retailer who is amazing, i can ring this guy up and just ask for advice, they also have a range in the shop so you can try before you buy, and they will take the effort to set youre bow up, brace hight, proper good strings the lot. I ordered a bow stringer and he emailed me instantly and wrote you got the wrong trype for youre bow, and sent me the proper one even though the proper one was cheaper, and he refunded me the difference. Thats how an archery shop should treat their customers. As he said, its not about the money, its about me knowing youve got the right equipment and bow that suites you.
It’s a blast , 100$ black hunter longbow 40# it’s awesome , 49$ selway quiver , 6 carbon arrows from amazon 29$ , make a leather tab out of scrap leather in it for under 200$
I like that a lot of experienced shooters are finding the value of these "budget bows", especially for the new shooters and shooters transitioning from compound. I'm in the transition phase right now and I'm starting to get pretty comfy with my Bear 45# recurve inside 20 yds, but I want to try a little heavier longbow and have my eye on getting a BH. For the price, I don't see how I can go wrong, other than I have to convince the wife that I "need" more arrows.
My black hunter longbow got me back into traditional archery. Been a compound hunter for decades. Shooting the black hunter made me WAY better in every way.
I like my black hunter longbows!!! If I put a 1/4 inch elevated rest , I get a nice center shot . I don't have to aim left or right to hit the x ring. Seems like some black hunter shelves and sight window there is a bit of a hump that makes your arrow sit outside of center too much when the arrow sits right on the shelf without a elevated rest. I set all my Black hunter bows this way..
My first longbow was a Bear Patriot. It was an excellent bow and I shot it well. It was a good range bow for me but cumbersome to hunt with. I took a chance on a Black Hunter longbow a few years back and really love it. I got it strictly for hunting. It is quiet, plenty of speed, and light and maneuverable. I also bought a Spider XL which has been a good shooter too. Overall, they are great shooting bows perfectly suited to hunt with. 👍
I'd rather have them buddies shooting with me with these than one with a high end bow because the rest can't afford. I know these arnt made in USA but these days most isn't. I do support all local companies, I do have ten other bows all made in USA and high dollar. But it's nice to have a cheaper one to play with when friends are available and or need to lend them one. My buddy has hunted a ton and killed over 20 animals with his, another buddy is a top named shooter owned a bow shop and he has used them for as long as I can remember!
I can only concur. I started 2 months ago with a black hunter, got an olympic archer to build me a string because like you said, the string that come with it are NOT good. I have been working relentlessly on my form and am now where i can actually hit somewhat consistently within 2-3 inches at 20 meters. And going to 3d shoots is just SO much fun!
I truly enjoy watching your channel! I like your practical approach to traditional archery and that you help educate your audience by sharing your vast knowledge. I would like to hear your opinion of the TBOW and how you would set it up. I wish you continued success!
I tried to get into trad a few years ago bought a samick sage but over bowed myself and got very frustrated and gave up after coming across your videos a few months back I was inspired to try again ordered a black hunter in 30 pounds and now I'm hooked already gave the 30 pound bow to my oldest son ordered a 40 pound black hunter with a lane Holcomb string and have a custom 1 piece on the way to my house now I've never enjoyed shooting a compound like I do these trad bows
Awesome! That’s what so many people do, they start way too heavy and give it up when they can’t develop their form and I’m so glad you did it the right way this time! Thanks for watching 👍🏻
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 videos are awsome I'm slowly picking up instinctive shooting started gap moved to split vision and now slowly not noticing my arrow tip as much
Probably the 58” Sanlida Eagle X9 in light weight would be the best and they are amazing bows! Here’s the link where you can get on in about 4 days for $99 www.sanlidaoutdoor.com/web/?invite=15192
I love the BH. Great bow. the only thing I hate about it is the lack of QC from the countless sources you can get this bow from. I think it is sort of hurting the bow's reputation at this point. I strongly urge a new comer considering this bow to look at places like Lancaster ( I think they call it the Ember bow) or Twig Archery who actually carries the original BH and buy from them. Thanks Jeff.
Yes sir that’s exactly right, Lancaster actually carries the original one called Galaxy Ember and it’s at least weight checked and inspected with an upgraded string👍🏻
Jeff, I just watched this video this evening. I was wondering if you had heard of the SAS Voyager takedown recurve? It's a 62" recurve that sure looks a lot like the Top Archery recurve you were showing us. Anyway, have you heard of the Voyager? I am really enjoying it and wondered if you had any thoughts on it.
@@garykemmerling919 agree to some extent but all D97 is not the same, TTT for instance uses BCY and others use various blends, I’ve got some D97 strings that are much softer material than others almost like B55 Dacron using SK75 Dyneema and others that use 452X which are way stiffer but you’re right there are differences for sure!
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 gotcha Jeff just could have confused new people. I've been shooting since 84 and I still learn alot from your Videos and are an amazing archer.keep it up brother 🙌 🙏 we probably know some of the same people and have talked but I left social media a while back. Would love to chat
I also got a black hunter on a whim for $60.00. It isn't finished like a high end bow but it shoots. You are right about replacing the string. It's a must. One of my favorite bows to shoot in the yard is a Southwest archery Spyder xl 35#. It's awesome for about $175.00.
This was very helpful!! I just bought a black hunter longbow a few months ago and have been learning to shoot with it. Hoping to take it deer hunting this fall Two questions though. One is 40 lbs enough to hunt with?? And are there inexpensive quality arrows that you recommend?
Hey Jeff, I shoot a PSE razorback and my draw is around 30” and I believe it’s stacking weight a lot. I have a hard time finding affordable recurves that work well with long draw lengths. Any suggestions?
Yes a Sage or Fleetwood anything in a 62” AMO length with optional limb weights would be great! There are lots of really good bows for under $400 some way under but most come with terrible strings so whatever you get be sure to order a good custom string for it!
Is this something you would recommend to an absolute beginner? I'm not really interested in compound bows, but primitive archery appeals to me. I shoot and hunt with flintlocks, but have never tried archery. Thanks.
Yes sir and actually I’m about to release a new video on the 3Rivers “Carin” recurve budget priced bow that’ll make anybody a great starter and actually beyond that!
Great video Jeff, looking into a 45lb Toparchery Recurve, do they have reinforced limb tips? Are the limb tips holding up well with the Fastflight 97 strings? God Bless,
I have a 30-1/2” draw and like to pull around 48 -50lbs. What would you suggest from these companies with my long draw length?? That’s the problem that I have always been up against.
I’d go with a 45# TBOW ILF rig, they’re 62” and with a TTT string and some Velcro on the back of the limbs they’re quiet and extremely accurate, you’ll hate the loud string they come with and unlike a genuine Hoyt satori you will probably have to tweak the limb alignment screws and possibly shave the rest plate post to get it into the riser hole and maybe even tap it with something to get it inserted into the riser but they do shoot amazing especially for $199 lol I’d suggest watching our ultimate Hoyt Satori setup video when you get it but it’s an exact copy of the Satori plus you can adjust tiller and pounds easily to make it shoot perfect for you , Fred Eichler has some Satori setup videos as well that you can refer to but with your long draw I think it would be by far your best bet!
Outside of the TBOW any of the 62” takedowns would be great, if you go with an ILF wood riser they’ve got longbow limbs that make a 64” bow on any 19” risers and they’re even foam core!
Been shooting a compound for about 13 to 14 years and want to get into traditional. I have only held a recurve a couple of times and they don't feel great in my hand. Feel really bulky in the grip. Would you recommend a longbow or recurve for entry level traditional shooting? Also, what poundage? I shoot around 65 to 68 pounds in compounds. Thanks
Yes sir I would start with a 40# bow for sure with 600 spine arrows, there are lots of great feeling slimmer grip bows you can get cheaper too get started shooting, one on Amazon that’s awesome is the American longbow, they say they’re 62” but really are 60” and you’re going to want to get a good string like a TTT for any of them, also 3 Rivers Archery has some awesome Bodnick bows like the Creed Recurve that are great shooters and affordable.
It's a top archery 60" which is an black hunter gen 1 clone,not a bear takedown, bear has a snap system to fit the limbs not screws, hope that helps, with your short draw a black hunter 58 inch will do just fine
Hi, I just ordered a 60pound hoyt satori which is 58 inches, the bow is still on its way, but I would like to order the strings first. What is the recommended custom bow string length ?
Okay, you definitely need to order the string from TTT or a genuine Hoyt string for it, the satori riser is actually 3/4” longer than stated and Trevor will know exactly how to build it, just let him know you’re bow length for example a 58” is probably a 17” riser with short limbs, he’ll make the string a touch longer so the brace height will be right, the factory Hoyt strings will work they just don’t come with tied nocks or silencers and any other strings you order for a 58” recurve will be a little too short not letting it get below about a 9” brace height, TTT Strings take the orders through their facebook page, I’m sure there are several other people building custom strings for them but store bought will be too short, I found that out back in 2017 when they first came out and it’s something you have to do for it to be right lol
My Satori is a 21" riser and hoyt shorts that makes a 62" bow on paper. It takes a 60" string to brace at 7 5/8". That's 2" shorter than AMO. Not 4" or 3" shorter like normal. My experience is that it's the risers not the limbs. Whether they be Hoyt or aftermarket limbs it won't matter. All the risers are a tad longer than spec. The Satori string I received with my bow braced correctly but required alot of twists to do so. I bought several of the Satori strings from online sources and they were all over the map in length. It's a good string but not a great string so I moved on. I went to Additive Archery strings and never looked back. They come fully stretched with the minimal amount of twists in them and are far superior to the Satori string in material, workmanship and size. I give these string maybe 4 twists and shot in I am at 7.75" on my rig and it stays there.
In my opinion it’s best to start with a cheap bow. To get a custom bow made before you know how you like to shoot and what you want in a bow is a mistake. Get up to the poundage you want. Figure out weather it’s recurve or long bow. How long do you want the bow. Do you want to shoot fingers or thumb. Then when you know what you want spend the money
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 If I get into full proper form my draw length is 31 1/2"..... is it even possible to get a bow that's made for that? I've never been able to find one
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 waaaait are you saying my draw length comes out longer because I'm shooting a shorter bow?..... is that how that works.... 🤔
Lol I actually shoot both depending on how the bow is tillered and most of mine are built for 3under and yes I like it a lot especially with lighter poundage bows, the shorter bows really shoot better split.
I don't disagree that a better string is better in terms of fps. But does anyone really think that a $50 string for a beginner would make any difference. Those "junk" strings aren't going to make a difference from a $50 string at 20 yards are less which is where a beginner will be shooting from. A beginner is better off spending a little more on arrows than a replacement string which won't make any difference at short yardage.
Jeff, this is Jim Scott in Oregon. I have a confession to make to you. As you know, you guy's built me that 45 pound longbow last year. Between the time that I ordered my bow from you and the time that I actually got it, I had an accident and ended up in the hospital for about a week and then got back home. I was really weak and lost around 30 t0 35 pounds, and it has been a slow recovery. I started shooting your bow soon after that and I was struggling with it at first but then got used to shooting it and can shoot it all day long now. During that first month or two shooting your bow I had an idea, and I ordered one of those cheap bows you are talking about in 50 pounds. The reason I bought that bow was to build myself up faster so that it would be easier to shoot your bow. Well I hate to say this, but in order to back up what you are saying here, that cheap bow actually shoots every bit as good as your bow does. I was blown away after the first few shots with it. Now don't get me wrong, your bow has a lot of special meaning to me and it's the only one I shoot now and hunt with. But what you are telling people here is absolutely true. Those cheap bows are amazing and really shoot darned good. OK Jeff, thats all I had to say. Glad to see you still making video's. Take care buddy and say hello to Ty for me.
Jim
Archers!
Please watch and listen to this post three times and pay very close attention to the shot sequence! This archer Mr.Jeff Phillips has mastered the shot sequence to the point of Ridiculous! Now granted , arrows are spined correctly the incerts are correct the field points are correct the string is correct, however, Phillips is lining up his elbow with the point of his arrow, his anchor point is consistent and his release is straight back! He can literally shoot any bow of any make or quality Phillips is an absolute MASTER archer ! 🏹🦌
I have been hunting with traditional 30 years l always learn something from your videos l have used bows from $800 TO $120 I have a black hunter longbow and another $120 longbow from Amazon they are the best shooting bows l have ever owned thanks for the video
Let's not forget Jeff you are an exceptional archer. 👍👍🇺🇲👍🇬🇧
Lol they do shoot good for real at least when they’re set up right! Thanks brother 😁
Kiitos!
About a year and a half ago I bought a Deerseeker bow from Amazon and made a Flemish twist string D97. It is 45@28, I’m 29 draw. I love my bow
Jeff, I love all your videos and I love how you end them too. Always giving thanks to our creator, Jesus Christ. I wanted to know if you could talk about Nocks and Nock tension and how they affect the arrow and the arrow flight. This is only a request and no worries if you can't. I can't wait for archery season already and it's April 1 and this is no Joke :)
I agree 100%. I have a Bear take down and a Thunder child. I have a sage and if set up properly it shoot just as good. It doesn’t look as good but, it shoots as good.
Your right, I’m about to stock several of the really good “ affordable “ bows and start selling hunt ready packages that’ll shoot great and not cost a fortune lol
This is the best most comprehensive real world trad channel on TH-cam. Thanks Jefff
I agree, Jeff! I shoot just as accurately with my 1970's Bear recurve for $120, as I do with my Big Jims Thunderchild, that was $1200! I so enjoy your videos! Please keep making them!
Another reason you are spot on. Im learning archery, so im learning form, you dont need an expensive bow to learn good form, even though as im doing is take a course, mine hopefully starts September 60 uk for an 8 week course, then if i want i can join the club. But the course is also important because you then get a piece of paper stating youve took a course and can then shoot outside of youre club, say do a 3d range, in uk you need this form to allow that. So yes, get a cheap but good bow, all the ones hes said ive researched and they are fantastic bows for the price. My goal is to compete, thus after my course i will then invest on a bow that is compilation standard. This man is absolutely correct on everything hes saying, so much so hes in my archery list, that is public for anyone to see.
Jesus christ you guys need a license for EVERYTHING.
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😅😅 yes and it sucks. We are too strict about keeping ourselves safe. Apart of the reason i got a bow was also house defence because we can't freely have firearms, it's stupid, it's very controlling, and some of it is down to just wanting you're money
@digitaldogs233 be careful what you say bro you could get raided. Saying that from genuine concern. As someone who could go buy a hunting rifle at 18 years old, take it home and shoot it, legally and without any contact with law enforcement......
I can't even imagine.
@digitaldogs233 and what you said about them wanting your money is exactly right, if the courses where about safety they would be free. That way they where accessible to anyone.
@@daddoesthings9461
I get you, but crazy thing is i can carry my bow with arrows around and its legal. We don't need a licence too own a bow or cross bow, the "licence" is just so other clubs know you've been trained. But i can go out hunting for rabbits if i wanted to. Our situation on this is confusing and dumb. As for hush hush one of the teachers was a cop lol, and i told him that reason, and he said i don't blame you, but be very careful because even in a house invasion if i shot a guy i would be arrested for some stupid thing.
Great video !
Thank you. I haven't had a bow for around 50 years but would like to start shooting archery for fun.
I will be rewatching this vid many times. !
Thank you so much!
Excellent video by this gentleman. I own a couple of inexpensive bows and a vintage Ben Pearson and I love keeping things inexpensive.
Exactly! Thanks my friend 👍🏻
Awesome video. I’m a little late to the party, but it’s all about a good string, arrow tuning, & getting out there and shooting.
@@brocephus357 absolutely my friend!
Great video! All I have are cheap bows and I have been wondering if I'm missing out. Nice to know that at my level it probably doesn't matter much.
Great video Jeff! I couldn't agree more with you. I think the radiused side plate helps to smooth the arrow launch when it's taking power from the limbs rather than bows that have a flat side plate with a 90 degree corner to shoot around. Having both shelf and side plate radiused seems to me to make it more smooth and accurate.
Keep your videos coming and God bless!
This! I've often wondered why more bows don't feature a radiused sideplate (and, for that matter, the shelf)at the deepest part of the grip. I altered mine and noticed a difference right away!
Just bought 2 Black Hunter Longbows last month. I haven't shot a traditional bow since 2006.
My first 6 arrows at 10 yards were stacked in there like I had been shooting for years. $67. For a set of extra limbs or $97. For a whole bow. Have a few extra laying around, and maybe you can get a friend started shooting. They are fun sticks.
Where can i find that brand..
This was an awesome video I’ve got me a Southwest Archery Ghost Take down bow I paid at the time like 159 dollars and the limbs are only 79 dollars so yeah I absolutely love that bow and I can shoot that bow lights out I use it for both 3D and for hunting
I've shot trad since I was in my teens. All 8 shoot nowadays is a PSE anthem recurve ($150) and a black hunter ($110). They both are great
Great video Jeff ,shows you do not have to spend a fortune to enjoy archery
Great video brother, I’ve seen the bow in your hands as low as $49 at Christmas, same color, came with a string, tab, stringer and armguard too, a couple people I know picked them up and love them
I got mine for around 50$ just to try it. Got my gf a 30# for the same!!!
My preferred method of aiming is a 25yd fixed crawl (combination of gap and string walking)... For Hunting (yeah I use string walking to aim in the off season), during deer season at 20 yards I aim for the bottom of the chest, if 30 yards I aim for the top of the shoulder... for a whitetail, and adjust for larger or smaller animals accordingly... puts the stick in the Vitals pretty much every time
That's exactly how I am shooting too. 25 yard point on and just adjust within the animal's body anywhere out to 30 yards.
Some of the best Traditional Archery video’s on the web!!!
Thanks! 👍🏻
Love your videos man. Thanks for taking the time
Thanks brother 👍🏻
If you shoot Gap, do you close one eye or do shoot both eyes open? Thank you for all your videos. You run the best channel on TH-cam!
I'm glad to see all these cheap Chinese recurve bows out there nowadays. And we're talking takedowns, which used to be more expensive than one-piece! The price of today's American-made recurves have gotten out of reach for many people. I bought my first Howatt Hunter back in 1986 from a pre-internet, mail-order company called Bowhunter's Discount Warehouse for $100, which I thought was outrageous at the time.
Im loving youre content. I'm a bigginer archer own 3 bows but by far my best bow is my SAMICK SAGE its just so user friendly, its light, has the ability to put a plunger on, and sites, but tbh i like to shoot without one, one could say im an instinctive archer even as a learner, because alot of what you say rings true in how i approach archery. Big thumbs up. Ps i live in uk and have had real bad experiences buying from amazon, so i got my Samick from a proper archer retailer who is amazing, i can ring this guy up and just ask for advice, they also have a range in the shop so you can try before you buy, and they will take the effort to set youre bow up, brace hight, proper good strings the lot. I ordered a bow stringer and he emailed me instantly and wrote you got the wrong trype for youre bow, and sent me the proper one even though the proper one was cheaper, and he refunded me the difference. Thats how an archery shop should treat their customers. As he said, its not about the money, its about me knowing youve got the right equipment and bow that suites you.
Good to hear that about the shop , I'm in Glasgow and the only shop in Scotland is in a shed behind a farm ..
Cheers
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Red frog archery, Border archery, Caledonian archery, just to name a few, you do ok 😅
It’s a blast , 100$ black hunter longbow 40# it’s awesome , 49$ selway quiver , 6 carbon arrows from amazon 29$ , make a leather tab out of scrap leather in it for under 200$
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I found this video extremely helpful. Thanks for your tips and advice.
Yes sir thanks so much!!!!
Man you are a awesome Shooter!😮
I like that a lot of experienced shooters are finding the value of these "budget bows", especially for the new shooters and shooters transitioning from compound. I'm in the transition phase right now and I'm starting to get pretty comfy with my Bear 45# recurve inside 20 yds, but I want to try a little heavier longbow and have my eye on getting a BH. For the price, I don't see how I can go wrong, other than I have to convince the wife that I "need" more arrows.
Lol you really can’t go wrong with them.
My black hunter longbow got me back into traditional archery. Been a compound hunter for decades. Shooting the black hunter made me WAY better in every way.
I bought a black hunter riser and modified it to fit ILF limbs and I love it
I like my black hunter longbows!!! If I put a 1/4 inch elevated rest , I get a nice center shot . I don't have to aim left or right to hit the x ring. Seems like some black hunter shelves and sight window there is a bit of a hump that makes your arrow sit outside of center too much when the arrow sits right on the shelf without a elevated rest. I set all my Black hunter bows this way..
My first longbow was a Bear Patriot. It was an excellent bow and I shot it well.
It was a good range bow for me but cumbersome to hunt with.
I took a chance on a Black Hunter longbow a few years back and really love it. I got it strictly for hunting. It is quiet, plenty of speed, and light and maneuverable. I also bought a Spider XL which has been a good shooter too. Overall, they are great shooting bows perfectly suited to hunt with. 👍
I'd rather have them buddies shooting with me with these than one with a high end bow because the rest can't afford. I know these arnt made in USA but these days most isn't. I do support all local companies, I do have ten other bows all made in USA and high dollar. But it's nice to have a cheaper one to play with when friends are available and or need to lend them one. My buddy has hunted a ton and killed over 20 animals with his, another buddy is a top named shooter owned a bow shop and he has used them for as long as I can remember!
I can only concur. I started 2 months ago with a black hunter, got an olympic archer to build me a string because like you said, the string that come with it are NOT good.
I have been working relentlessly on my form and am now where i can actually hit somewhat consistently within 2-3 inches at 20 meters. And going to 3d shoots is just SO much fun!
I just bought a Samick sage for 84 dollars new an i cant wait to get em!
I truly enjoy watching your channel! I like your practical approach to traditional archery and that you help educate your audience by sharing your vast knowledge. I would like to hear your opinion of the TBOW and how you would set it up.
I wish you continued success!
Yes sir I’ve actually got one on silencing an ILF bow actually a TBOW and one shooting the bow I actually like them really well!
I can’t wait to watch it!
Thanks; also can you send me a link to a string for this bow?
I want to upgrade from the samik sage to a one piece recurve. any suggestions?
Great video. Thanks
I tried to get into trad a few years ago bought a samick sage but over bowed myself and got very frustrated and gave up after coming across your videos a few months back I was inspired to try again ordered a black hunter in 30 pounds and now I'm hooked already gave the 30 pound bow to my oldest son ordered a 40 pound black hunter with a lane Holcomb string and have a custom 1 piece on the way to my house now I've never enjoyed shooting a compound like I do these trad bows
Awesome! That’s what so many people do, they start way too heavy and give it up when they can’t develop their form and I’m so glad you did it the right way this time! Thanks for watching 👍🏻
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 videos are awsome I'm slowly picking up instinctive shooting started gap moved to split vision and now slowly not noticing my arrow tip as much
I have 3 amazon bows excellent shooters. I like the PMZ recurve the best. Great video!
Hmm I haven’t tried one of those yet but I probably will lol
I have a black hunter. It’s nice for my first bow. Had to make it a center shot though
Yeah they cut some of the risers way far past center and some not enough lol but at least they’re cheap enough to go to work on lol 😂
I have $71 ASDW 56" recurve that I love, and a Lwano 62" Wolf" recurve bow that cost me $105 that shoot awesome!!!
You put out the best content Mr. Phillips. Out of all the bows you own or have owned, what is that one bow that feels like the super bow to you?
8:01 8:03 8:04 8:04 8:05 Have you ever shot the southwest archeries ghost takedown longbow and if you have What is your thought on it
@@Steve-zz1xc yes sir and honestly all of the southwest bows shoot good especially for the price!
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 thank you I just bought one and plan on using for Hunting season this year
Great video! What size bow should i get for my wife? She is 5' 4" 120lbs
Probably the 58” Sanlida Eagle X9 in light weight would be the best and they are amazing bows! Here’s the link where you can get on in about 4 days for $99 www.sanlidaoutdoor.com/web/?invite=15192
I love the BH. Great bow. the only thing I hate about it is the lack of QC from the countless sources you can get this bow from. I think it is sort of hurting the bow's reputation at this point. I strongly urge a new comer considering this bow to look at places like Lancaster ( I think they call it the Ember bow) or Twig Archery who actually carries the original BH and buy from them. Thanks Jeff.
Yes sir that’s exactly right, Lancaster actually carries the original one called Galaxy Ember and it’s at least weight checked and inspected with an upgraded string👍🏻
Where is that split vinger shooter?
Jeff, I just watched this video this evening. I was wondering if you had heard of the SAS Voyager takedown recurve? It's a 62" recurve that sure looks a lot like the Top Archery recurve you were showing us. Anyway, have you heard of the Voyager? I am really enjoying it and wondered if you had any thoughts on it.
The mandarin duck black Hunter 2 with longbow limbs £135 in the UK. Brilliant bow very interesting to. 👍🇬🇧👍👍🇺🇲👍 shoes
Jeff not trying to bust your chops, but D97 and fast flight are not the same. But I agree change the string.
@@garykemmerling919 agree to some extent but all D97 is not the same, TTT for instance uses BCY and others use various blends, I’ve got some D97 strings that are much softer material than others almost like B55 Dacron using SK75 Dyneema and others that use 452X which are way stiffer but you’re right there are differences for sure!
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 gotcha Jeff just could have confused new people. I've been shooting since 84 and I still learn alot from your Videos and are an amazing archer.keep it up brother 🙌 🙏 we probably know some of the same people and have talked but I left social media a while back. Would love to chat
Jeff, what arrow should I buy for my beginner recurve? It has 25 pound limbs, and I draw 29" on my compound.
@@jasonknobloch6447 probably 700 spine Gold Tip Warriors from 3rivers in full length 👍🏻
I do love my Fleetwood summit to 60-inch recurve
Absolutely they’re amazing shooters!
I also got a black hunter on a whim for $60.00. It isn't finished like a high end bow but it shoots. You are right about replacing the string. It's a must.
One of my favorite bows to shoot in the yard is a Southwest archery Spyder xl 35#. It's awesome for about $175.00.
What’s your arrow setup for the 40lb longbow you have there for hunting
This was very helpful!!
I just bought a black hunter longbow a few months ago and have been learning to shoot with it. Hoping to take it deer hunting this fall
Two questions though.
One is 40 lbs enough to hunt with??
And are there inexpensive quality arrows that you recommend?
Yes sir absolutely and I’d recommend the Gold Tip warriors for the money 💯!
I shoot a sas maverick another Amazon special it's great bow I put thousands of arrows through it
Hey Jeff, I shoot a PSE razorback and my draw is around 30” and I believe it’s stacking weight a lot. I have a hard time finding affordable recurves that work well with long draw lengths. Any suggestions?
Yes a Sage or Fleetwood anything in a 62” AMO length with optional limb weights would be great! There are lots of really good bows for under $400 some way under but most come with terrible strings so whatever you get be sure to order a good custom string for it!
Great video as usual 👍
Hey can you send a link to that bow you bought? And do you know Karl Falken out of Riverton Wyoming?
www.toparchery.com/products/62-inch-archery-ilf-recurve-bow-aluminum-alloy-riser
www.toparchery.com
Is this something you would recommend to an absolute beginner? I'm not really interested in compound bows, but primitive archery appeals to me. I shoot and hunt with flintlocks, but have never tried archery. Thanks.
Yes sir and actually I’m about to release a new video on the 3Rivers “Carin” recurve budget priced bow that’ll make anybody a great starter and actually beyond that!
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998Thanks so much for your reply. I will look for that video.
Jeff, what kind of quiver is on that bow?
@@russelljones3171 Selway 👍🏻
What arrow spine and length are bare shafting good out of that top archery bow with the 40 lb limbs? With your 27” draw.
Yes sir! A 600 cut to 28.5” with 150 grain tips are perfect 👍🏻
Thank you!
Recommend recurve on Amazon top archery?
Oh, and I liked and subscribed !
Awesome thank you!!!!
Anyone know what quiver Jeff is running on this bow?
Selway 👍🏻
Thanks again. Great video.
I get it but Amazon is shutting down a lot of us bowyers.
Great video
Great video Jeff, looking into a 45lb Toparchery Recurve, do they have reinforced limb tips? Are the limb tips holding up well with the Fastflight 97 strings? God Bless,
Absolutely yes they do!
I have a 30-1/2” draw and like to pull around 48 -50lbs. What would you suggest from these companies with my long draw length?? That’s the problem that I have always been up against.
I’d go with a 45# TBOW ILF rig, they’re 62” and with a TTT string and some Velcro on the back of the limbs they’re quiet and extremely accurate, you’ll hate the loud string they come with and unlike a genuine Hoyt satori you will probably have to tweak the limb alignment screws and possibly shave the rest plate post to get it into the riser hole and maybe even tap it with something to get it inserted into the riser but they do shoot amazing especially for $199 lol I’d suggest watching our ultimate Hoyt Satori setup video when you get it but it’s an exact copy of the Satori plus you can adjust tiller and pounds easily to make it shoot perfect for you , Fred Eichler has some Satori setup videos as well that you can refer to but with your long draw I think it would be by far your best bet!
Outside of the TBOW any of the 62” takedowns would be great, if you go with an ILF wood riser they’ve got longbow limbs that make a 64” bow on any 19” risers and they’re even foam core!
I’m desperate for someone to do a review on the TopArchery Fire Phoenix ilf td bow, im looking to purchase it soon but i need pro advice! 🙏🏻✌🏻💙🏹🎯
Been shooting a compound for about 13 to 14 years and want to get into traditional. I have only held a recurve a couple of times and they don't feel great in my hand. Feel really bulky in the grip. Would you recommend a longbow or recurve for entry level traditional shooting? Also, what poundage? I shoot around 65 to 68 pounds in compounds. Thanks
Yes sir I would start with a 40# bow for sure with 600 spine arrows, there are lots of great feeling slimmer grip bows you can get cheaper too get started shooting, one on Amazon that’s awesome is the American longbow, they say they’re 62” but really are 60” and you’re going to want to get a good string like a TTT for any of them, also 3 Rivers Archery has some awesome Bodnick bows like the Creed Recurve that are great shooters and affordable.
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 thank you so much for the information!
Great video….noob to recurves.. like the top archery ..recommend length? What arrows you shooting or recommend. Thx
@@twintwo1429
Thank you
Get one of these bows, good string, and some basic arrows. Shoot shoot shoot. Now you’re hooked!
Suppose I missed it, but what are you shooting there?
What recommendations for a short draw length 26"?
Great video and advice
Good luck
I’ve asked about the bow with no luck.
@@tonygrubb8530
It looks like a Fred Bear Takedown
@@Ozwald214 thx
It's a top archery 60" which is an black hunter gen 1 clone,not a bear takedown, bear has a snap system to fit the limbs not screws, hope that helps, with your short draw a black hunter 58 inch will do just fine
Can you share the brand and model of bow you are using in video please
Yes it’s a Toparchery 60”
@Instinctive Addiction Archery With Jeff Phillips
Thank you much. I have a short draw 26" and am looking for a 50# (45#) draw weight to begin.
I think I asked this somewhere else but what target butt are you shooting??
Hi, I just ordered a 60pound hoyt satori which is 58 inches, the bow is still on its way, but I would like to order the strings first. What is the recommended custom bow string length ?
Okay, you definitely need to order the string from TTT or a genuine Hoyt string for it, the satori riser is actually 3/4” longer than stated and Trevor will know exactly how to build it, just let him know you’re bow length for example a 58” is probably a 17” riser with short limbs, he’ll make the string a touch longer so the brace height will be right, the factory Hoyt strings will work they just don’t come with tied nocks or silencers and any other strings you order for a 58” recurve will be a little too short not letting it get below about a 9” brace height, TTT Strings take the orders through their facebook page, I’m sure there are several other people building custom strings for them but store bought will be too short, I found that out back in 2017 when they first came out and it’s something you have to do for it to be right lol
Do they ship to other countries?
My Satori is a 21" riser and hoyt shorts that makes a 62" bow on paper. It takes a 60" string to brace at 7 5/8". That's 2" shorter than AMO. Not 4" or 3" shorter like normal. My experience is that it's the risers not the limbs. Whether they be Hoyt or aftermarket limbs it won't matter. All the risers are a tad longer than spec. The Satori string I received with my bow braced correctly but required alot of twists to do so. I bought several of the Satori strings from online sources and they were all over the map in length. It's a good string but not a great string so I moved on. I went to Additive Archery strings and never looked back. They come fully stretched with the minimal amount of twists in them and are far superior to the Satori string in material, workmanship and size. I give these string maybe 4 twists and shot in I am at 7.75" on my rig and it stays there.
In my opinion it’s best to start with a cheap bow.
To get a custom bow made before you know how you like to shoot and what you want in a bow is a mistake.
Get up to the poundage you want.
Figure out weather it’s recurve or long bow.
How long do you want the bow.
Do you want to shoot fingers or thumb.
Then when you know what you want spend the money
What glove do you use. I'm in the market for a new one
The BearPaw Classic!
How long of a string did Fielder make for that recurve?
It’s a little over 57” I believe
I didn’t measure it exactly but it was a perfect fit, they usually run close to three inches shorter than the AMO
What nock height do you have on the black hunter for three under ?
5/8” above center for up to a 28” draw and 3/4” for 29” and longer 👍🏻
I assume the arrows that come with this bow if you get the “value deal” are garbage?
Great video
What bow is in this video?
All Amazon bows in this one! Toparchery, Black Hunter
"The Government system wants you to be either a bow or an arrow;
refuse both,
because there is a third choice:
To be an archer!” 😎🏹
Ive always just kinda shot however worked, turns out i shoot split vision and didnt even realize
Wow! I’m sure lots of people actually do and don’t realize it lol👍🏻
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 If I get into full proper form my draw length is 31 1/2"..... is it even possible to get a bow that's made for that? I've never been able to find one
@@daddoesthings9461 wow! Sounds like a 64” lol
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 I need a 64" bow?
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 waaaait are you saying my draw length comes out longer because I'm shooting a shorter bow?..... is that how that works.... 🤔
I’m from Alabama ( so south you’re in the water) and I gotta say… yall country:)
🤣😁👍🏻
So what bow is that?
Black Hunters and Toparchery
I may check them out seems like a bargain . . 👍
Budget vs pawn shop find video coming soon ?
i see you have gone back to 3 under. any reason why?
Lol I actually shoot both depending on how the bow is tillered and most of mine are built for 3under and yes I like it a lot especially with lighter poundage bows, the shorter bows really shoot better split.
It’s not the brush or the paint, it’s the artist.
those bows have shelves......traditional?
Anyone help on my question above
Thx
The bow he is shooting It's a top archery 60 inch which is a black hunter gen 1 clone, is all the same just the riser looks way nicer
I don't disagree that a better string is better in terms of fps. But does anyone really think that a $50 string for a beginner would make any difference. Those "junk" strings aren't going to make a difference from a $50 string at 20 yards are less which is where a beginner will be shooting from. A beginner is better off spending a little more on arrows than a replacement string which won't make any difference at short yardage.