You motivated me to order some autumn orange 2117 arrows and weighted inserts from Three Rivers. My father gave me some original Bear Razorheads. I'm going to use these in my 1970s 50lb Bear Kodiak Hunter for Kodiak Sitka Deer! Thank you!
Nice video! Thank you! I'm glad to see someone building aluminum arrows, which have a higher accuracy to price ratio than carbon arrows. All I shoot are Easton Aluminum arrows. I have dozens (over 200 arrows) of various sizes, with being 2016's the most. With my 35# Taow bow pulling 42#, I'm spot on @ 20yds with full length 2016 GameGetters using 125gr tip and stock insert, 5in shield cut right-helical feathers, and 560gr total weight. But with my 70in 35lb (pulling 41) Bear Tamerlane HC-300, I'm spot on with full length Easton X7 Eclipse 2213's weighing 760gr using 300gr tip and stock inserts. Same 5in shield cut right-helical feathers.
Another great one Jeff! I do shoot aluminum arrows as well as carbon. Love the aluminums especially for the straightness factor although not quite as durable and like that I may not have to nock tune them as with carbons. I use a lot of 1916s and wish they would sell brass inserts for them. I’m shooting gold tip classic 500’s with my Super Grizzly so I think I can build some 2016’s with high foc, after watching your video. Thank you
Thank you So Much for another great video ! I'm just getting back into Archery after having lost all my gear a while back , and you've been such a great resource for all things traditional . I'm starting up with wood and bamboo arrows , but I'm sure I'll get some Carbon and Aluminum shafts down the road a bit . I have a set of 35 pound and 45 pound ILF limbs to get me back in form and intend to try some wingshooting jumping doves along the powerlines . I'm in North Central Florida , so eventually , Hogs and Deer will be on the menu as well as Turkeys and maybe even some Armadillo . Thanks again for sharing your valuable insights and knowledge on setup , tuning and shooting form ! God Bless and Thanks Again for your Great Work ! Bob
Huge fan of your videos. Not new to trad but picking it up after about 12-15 years of dormancy. I’m 30 now and ready to restring my old bows and put that time in. I just ordered everything you built with, but I went with the 1-1/4 cut 200 grain heads. You think that will make a huge difference in flight compared to the 1 1/8? Can’t wait to put these arrows together and definitely a nostalgic arrow for me, I remember my dad shooting these eastons out of his pse compound bow. God bless!
Do you build wooden arrows? If so can you do a video on it ? I shoot a 40 lb longbow and I like a 550 to 600 grain arrows for hunting.So can you do that? Thanks
Thank you for sharing this build with us. I have been shooting 2315 and 2317 arrows in my compound for many years and I recently decided to shoot them out of my recurve and they shoot surprisingly good. It was a surprise to me because my compound is 78 lb draw and my recurve is 58. I have all factory inserts with 150 grain heads. This may not be the perfect combination but it's what I have to work with and they hit where I aim and hit hard. Mine weigh 579 grains.
@@charlesperegoy6492 A long bow is a bow that, when strung, the string does not touch the limbs beyond the limb tips. You can get a long bow in a classic D shape, reflex deflex, or other designs. A selfbow is a bow made out of a single piece of wood. You can shape a self bow to be any of the long bow shapes or even a recurve bow. There are lots of TH-cam videos on making a selfbow.
Im considering a aluminum build for my hoyt rx5 ultra, 70lbs, 27.5" draw I shoot 400 carbon spine, 410g arrow currently. Do aluminum arrrows handle higher FOC better than carbon? They weigh more, so?
Would you kindly tell me that did you do some special treatments ( for example, heat treatment, or chemical treatment) to the bamboo laminations to make them stronger before you used them to make bow limbs ? Thank you very much.
Hey man I just built a 655 grain aluminum and it shoots like no other I have built thanks for the info, mine was a aluminum arrow 5 inch feathers and reg insert 250 grain head it flys so good
No sir, as with any arrow that bare shaft tuned good the broadheads will fly great no matter how they’re turned, I’ve actually found that on some marginal arrows the best way was to actually split the difference not lining them up with the feathers, some bigger heads try to over steer them but if it tuned from the beginning it’ll fly no doubt 👍🏻
Thank u sir. I'm curious about your thoughts on wooden arrows? Some old hunting arrows even had a removable foreshaft. I'm guessing for when it breaks and to add more weight but I'm sure u know of all this . Cheers 🍻
You just opened my eyes to a lighted nock for aluminums. It's all I shoot, 2016's cut to 28 with 315 up front out of my 40lb Longbow, very hard hitters! But do you think those would work in the 2016's' as well? Thanks in advance and I love the content!
I’d go with a DAS 17” ILF riser and 3K carbon bamboo limbs from 3rivers medium 45# super sweet other than that a Hoyt Satori Riser with the same limbs it’s a very easy transition from compound way easier to be on quick than a wood bow, the main thing is to get the low 2.0 jager style grip on the DAS riser and on the satori you want to order an R-Core Master grip in low wrist angle because the factory satori grips are awful but once you charge that they’re awesome but either one would be my pick because you can adjust tiller for your shooting style and +- two pounds weight adjustment as well 👍🏻
Thank you so much for the videos! Shooting a 45 lb. Longbow w/27" draw. What would the equivalent aluminum arrow be for a 600? Or would you recommend the aluminum equivalent of a 500?
Thanks buddy A 2013 is a 600 and a 2016 is a 500 in aluminum, either one will shoot fine especially the 2016 for that bow cut around 29” with stock inserts and 150-175gr heads.
Jeff, I enjoy your content which had me intrigued to get aluminum arrows after watching your video. I shoot a 50lbs sage with 28.5 inch draw length. I got the 2117 / 400 spine game getters and the 100 grain brass inserts for the 2117s, but my bare shaft tuning has been a nightmare. I never had any issues with my carbon arrows, but aluminums have me stumped. Every time I shoot it keeps showing weak spine. I have cut my arrow down in 1/8 increments as I would like to stay around 250 grains up front with such a heavy arrow. The arrow was cut to 29in and still showed week. I have checked the brace height and form, as I shot my carbon bare shaft and it was on. I have a field point test kit, and been shooting the arrows trying different weights now, but Any suggestions, I really like the hard hitting of the aluminums but just cant seem to get a arrow to flight straight??? I appreciate your videos and look forward to your response. God Bless!
Perfect timing for this lol I’ve got a brand new video coming out tomorrow on this exact subject with my latest kill and the arrow setup I used on a buck this week!
Hey Jeff, greetings vom good old Germany. What about the foc of these heavy arrows?? Is it necessary to change nockhigh for these high foc arrows??? Joerg Bowhunter Vormwald
Thank you for this video, Jeff. I've been shooting aluminums since the 80s. Mainly because they are much more affordable than carbon. I have a compound and some day when I have the extra $, I'll be getting a recurve. Question.... do you line up your broadhead blades with your fletchings? I wondered if it helps arrow flight, or if it even matters.
The only "alignment" I even think about is what facilitates my sight picture. I like 2 blade heads to be horizontal and 3 blade heads oriented with 2 blades up, forming a "V". This is strictly for sight picture, not flight. Other archers orient them to their preference and still get great flight.
I am pretty sure those are camo hunters. 2117 are logs though. Great shaft regardless. I try to set up my bows around 2216 arrows. 2216 are damn wonderful.
@@Dlaw. should be a 2016 if it’s going to be around 30” and that’ll handle up to a 200 grain broadhead but you can get a test kit from 3rivers to know for sure because every bow is different, you can call them and give them your bow specs and they’ll send a test kit in the range you need!
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Thank you so much, I have a fairly decent knowledge on carbon arrows ( because of you ) but wanted to try aluminum and had no idea where to start, found some 1916s at 30" if I cant get them dialed im going to try the 2016s. Keep up the great content and thanks again!!! 👍
Only did the 1916s cuz I liked how the easton fall stalkers looked lol but I have a 65# set of recurve limbs I think I'll be building out some wooden arrows for eventually
Great video Jeff I am experimenting with aluminum currently. My question is do you use the same arrow saw blade you us3 on carbon? I'm getting a heck of a burr after cutting.
Yes, it cuts them very clean with no burr, mine is a De-Cut, they’re usually available through 3rivers, I bought mine on Amazon it’s been great for both!
Hey brother hope you’re doing well, I’m not doing any arrow orders until probably after hunting season just don’t possibly have time lol but 3rivers has a ton of aluminum 2016’s pre fletched at some really good deals right now I mean they’re literally overstocked with them and they’ll cut and insert them for you if needed but you’re bow will love a 2016 for sure!
You originally said the cut shaft with that doctor for the knock in was 369 And then you said the shaft weighed 362 I listened to it several times check it yourself
aluminum? I use to shoot them, but then I thought about it and they didn't fit the traditional archery paradigm that was trying to keep, so I stowed them away for visitors who come over.
@@Chiefshadow4 not really. Carbon and aluminum are both elemental. AL is hardly comparable in physical qualities to the wood arrows I shoot. - you assumed too much ;)
You motivated me to order some autumn orange 2117 arrows and weighted inserts from Three Rivers. My father gave me some original Bear Razorheads. I'm going to use these in my 1970s 50lb Bear Kodiak Hunter for Kodiak Sitka Deer! Thank you!
Great build I've always loved aluminum arrows I'm gonna build some for my recurve
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm wanting to try 2117s for my first self-bow and so glad to have found this video.
Nice video! Thank you! I'm glad to see someone building aluminum arrows, which have a higher accuracy to price ratio than carbon arrows.
All I shoot are Easton Aluminum arrows. I have dozens (over 200 arrows) of various sizes, with being 2016's the most. With my 35# Taow bow pulling 42#, I'm spot on @ 20yds with full length 2016 GameGetters using 125gr tip and stock insert, 5in shield cut right-helical feathers, and 560gr total weight. But with my 70in 35lb (pulling 41) Bear Tamerlane HC-300, I'm spot on with full length Easton X7 Eclipse 2213's weighing 760gr using 300gr tip and stock inserts. Same 5in shield cut right-helical feathers.
Is there any way that you can put a lighted nocks on a wood arrow. if you can then can you make a video of you do it soon Please THANKS
Another great one Jeff! I do shoot aluminum arrows as well as carbon. Love the aluminums especially for the straightness factor although not quite as durable and like that I may not have to nock tune them as with carbons. I use a lot of 1916s and wish they would sell brass inserts for them. I’m shooting gold tip classic 500’s with my Super Grizzly so I think I can build some 2016’s with high foc, after watching your video. Thank you
Thank you So Much for another great video ! I'm just getting back into Archery after having lost all my gear a while back , and you've been such a great resource for all things traditional . I'm starting up with wood and bamboo arrows , but I'm sure I'll get some Carbon and Aluminum shafts down the road a bit . I have a set of 35 pound and 45 pound ILF limbs to get me back in form and intend to try some wingshooting jumping doves along the powerlines . I'm in North Central Florida , so eventually , Hogs and Deer will be on the menu as well as Turkeys and maybe even some Armadillo . Thanks again for sharing your valuable insights and knowledge on setup , tuning and shooting form ! God Bless and Thanks Again for your Great Work ! Bob
Very interesting I am hoping to make some of my own arrows someday.
Huge fan of your videos. Not new to trad but picking it up after about 12-15 years of dormancy. I’m 30 now and ready to restring my old bows and put that time in. I just ordered everything you built with, but I went with the 1-1/4 cut 200 grain heads. You think that will make a huge difference in flight compared to the 1 1/8? Can’t wait to put these arrows together and definitely a nostalgic arrow for me, I remember my dad shooting these eastons out of his pse compound bow. God bless!
Awesome and yes the 1 1/4” will be fine just cut a bigger hole lol
God bless you Jeff.
Do you build wooden arrows? If so can you do a video on it ? I shoot a 40 lb longbow and I like a 550 to 600 grain arrows for hunting.So can you do that? Thanks
Thank you for sharing this build with us. I have been shooting 2315 and 2317 arrows in my compound for many years and I recently decided to shoot them out of my recurve and they shoot surprisingly good. It was a surprise to me because my compound is 78 lb draw and my recurve is 58. I have all factory inserts with 150 grain heads. This may not be the perfect combination but it's what I have to work with and they hit where I aim and hit hard. Mine weigh 579 grains.
What is the difference in a self Bow and a long bow
@@charlesperegoy6492 A long bow is a bow that, when strung, the string does not touch the limbs beyond the limb tips. You can get a long bow in a classic D shape, reflex deflex, or other designs. A selfbow is a bow made out of a single piece of wood. You can shape a self bow to be any of the long bow shapes or even a recurve bow. There are lots of TH-cam videos on making a selfbow.
Where do you get heavier inserts for 2016 shafts?
Awesome! I have a 51#@ 30" bow, I have a 30" draw length. Will this same build work for me with a 31" cut to length shaft?
Im considering a aluminum build for my hoyt rx5 ultra, 70lbs, 27.5" draw
I shoot 400 carbon spine, 410g arrow currently.
Do aluminum arrrows handle higher FOC better than carbon? They weigh more, so?
What is the biggest diameter of aluminum arrows made
Would you kindly tell me that did you do some special treatments ( for example, heat treatment, or chemical treatment) to the bamboo laminations to make them stronger before you used them to make bow limbs ?
Thank you very much.
Hey man I just built a 655 grain aluminum and it shoots like no other I have built thanks for the info, mine was a aluminum arrow 5 inch feathers and reg insert 250 grain head it flys so good
Awesome!
Hi. So JUDO points are so light, what would you recommend to use to get them to weight
So you don’t try to orient the 3 blades of the board head to the fletchings?
No sir, as with any arrow that bare shaft tuned good the broadheads will fly great no matter how they’re turned, I’ve actually found that on some marginal arrows the best way was to actually split the difference not lining them up with the feathers, some bigger heads try to over steer them but if it tuned from the beginning it’ll fly no doubt 👍🏻
Thank u sir. I'm curious about your thoughts on wooden arrows? Some old hunting arrows even had a removable foreshaft. I'm guessing for when it breaks and to add more weight but I'm sure u know of all this . Cheers 🍻
been shooting since 55 and been shooting aluminum as soon as they came out,,nothing works better if you get the spine correct
You just opened my eyes to a lighted nock for aluminums. It's all I shoot, 2016's cut to 28 with 315 up front out of my 40lb Longbow, very hard hitters! But do you think those would work in the 2016's' as well? Thanks in advance and I love the content!
I know they work with any uni bushings
Please let me know what 100 grain inserts you used! I've looked everywhere
Yes sir right now I’m buying.246 brass and steel inserts from Lancaster, 3rivers and Amazon
If you’re talking about 100gr brass for the aluminum 3rivers 👍🏻
Dose feather length make a different
Shorter ones are just quieter and a little faster 👍🏻
Jeff on aluminum arrows is there a stiff side like there is on carbon and if so how do you tell
No sir they are equal in spine with no seam like carbon weave so they don’t have to be turned any certain way 👍🏻
@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 thank you for the information I truly appreciate Jeff
first trad bow if you were moving from compound?what would it be?
I’d go with a DAS 17” ILF riser and 3K carbon bamboo limbs from 3rivers medium 45# super sweet other than that a Hoyt Satori Riser with the same limbs it’s a very easy transition from compound way easier to be on quick than a wood bow, the main thing is to get the low 2.0 jager style grip on the DAS riser and on the satori you want to order an R-Core Master grip in low wrist angle because the factory satori grips are awful but once you charge that they’re awesome but either one would be my pick because you can adjust tiller for your shooting style and +- two pounds weight adjustment as well 👍🏻
Thank you so much for the videos! Shooting a 45 lb. Longbow w/27" draw. What would the equivalent aluminum arrow be for a 600?
Or would you recommend the aluminum equivalent of a 500?
These work fine for longbow not cut quite to canter?
Thanks buddy A 2013 is a 600 and a 2016 is a 500 in aluminum, either one will shoot fine especially the 2016 for that bow cut around 29” with stock inserts and 150-175gr heads.
I’m shooting 1916 out of my 40 pound long bow. They work great out of it.
So how do you cut aluminum arrows?
Arrow saw or a pipe cutter, just beware using a pipe cutter you'll need to Deburr the inside of the shaft
Jeff, I enjoy your content which had me intrigued to get aluminum arrows after watching your video. I shoot a 50lbs sage with 28.5 inch draw length. I got the 2117 / 400 spine game getters and the 100 grain brass inserts for the 2117s, but my bare shaft tuning has been a nightmare. I never had any issues with my carbon arrows, but aluminums have me stumped. Every time I shoot it keeps showing weak spine. I have cut my arrow down in 1/8 increments as I would like to stay around 250 grains up front with such a heavy arrow. The arrow was cut to 29in and still showed week. I have checked the brace height and form, as I shot my carbon bare shaft and it was on. I have a field point test kit, and been shooting the arrows trying different weights now, but Any suggestions, I really like the hard hitting of the aluminums but just cant seem to get a arrow to flight straight??? I appreciate your videos and look forward to your response. God Bless!
50lbs with your draw I would get a 2216. Thats what Im shooting @ 51# and a 29" draw
Just wondering what a recurve would cost me? A hunting setup.
I have 2016 with swaged nock ends, can I cut from the nock end to get the aluma
nock to fit ?
You can cut them and install uni bushings then they’ll work, just order the uni bushings for that size 👍🏻
I have some 720 grain 2317s for my 65# bow. Excessive? Maybe.
Just right 🤣👍🏻
Would you recommend these over a carbon arrow build? What is your preferred setup between the two?
Perfect timing for this lol I’ve got a brand new video coming out tomorrow on this exact subject with my latest kill and the arrow setup I used on a buck this week!
Hey Jeff, greetings vom good old Germany. What about the foc of these heavy arrows?? Is it necessary to change nockhigh for these high foc arrows??? Joerg Bowhunter Vormwald
Not on the aluminum arrow, they actually balance out a bit more than a carbon because of the shaft weight itself so they are very easy to tune!
Hey there Jeff I’m working with. 40lb longbow with a 28 3/4 draw. What aluminum hunting arrow setup would you run? Thank you in advance !
Most likely a 2016 maybe a 2018 it all depends on how much point weight you want to run, a 2016 is like a 600 and the 2018 is like a 500 spine 👍🏻
Thank you for this video, Jeff. I've been shooting aluminums since the 80s. Mainly because they are much more affordable than carbon. I have a compound and some day when I have the extra $, I'll be getting a recurve. Question.... do you line up your broadhead blades with your fletchings? I wondered if it helps arrow flight, or if it even matters.
Doesn't matter. 2 blade/3 fletch, 3 blade/4 fletch, 4 blade/3 fletch. It's more important to tune your bow, then your arrows to your bow.
The only "alignment" I even think about is what facilitates my sight picture. I like 2 blade heads to be horizontal and 3 blade heads oriented with 2 blades up, forming a "V". This is strictly for sight picture, not flight. Other archers orient them to their preference and still get great flight.
I am pretty sure those are camo hunters.
2117 are logs though. Great shaft regardless. I try to set up my bows around 2216 arrows. 2216 are damn wonderful.
Someone help! I want some aluminum arrows, 60" longbow 45# at 28" with a 28" draw.... 1916? 2117? 2213?
@@Dlaw. should be a 2016 if it’s going to be around 30” and that’ll handle up to a 200 grain broadhead but you can get a test kit from 3rivers to know for sure because every bow is different, you can call them and give them your bow specs and they’ll send a test kit in the range you need!
@@instinctiveaddictionarcher8998 Thank you so much, I have a fairly decent knowledge on carbon arrows ( because of you ) but wanted to try aluminum and had no idea where to start, found some 1916s at 30" if I cant get them dialed im going to try the 2016s. Keep up the great content and thanks again!!! 👍
Only did the 1916s cuz I liked how the easton fall stalkers looked lol but I have a 65# set of recurve limbs I think I'll be building out some wooden arrows for eventually
I just pulled a arrow out my target this AM without 275gn of insert and tip.... the easton epoxy takes the full 24hrs. Can confirm.
Yeah it usually does, I actually use gorilla glue sticks on my aluminum arrows and have never had one pull out at least not yet lol
What is a 2213. (Spine)
450
Not that the difference of 7 grains makes a big deal but I just want to know what the arrow actually ways
These are 677 with 175gr tips and 702gr with a 200gr tip👍🏻
Great video Jeff I am experimenting with aluminum currently. My question is do you use the same arrow saw blade you us3 on carbon? I'm getting a heck of a burr after cutting.
Yes, it cuts them very clean with no burr, mine is a De-Cut, they’re usually available through 3rivers, I bought mine on Amazon it’s been great for both!
Jeff I have a C2 longbow you built me & I want to build me some aluminum arrows for it. It’s 44 lbs @ 28”. What size shaft do you recommend?
Hey brother hope you’re doing well, I’m not doing any arrow orders until probably after hunting season just don’t possibly have time lol but 3rivers has a ton of aluminum 2016’s pre fletched at some really good deals right now I mean they’re literally overstocked with them and they’ll cut and insert them for you if needed but you’re bow will love a 2016 for sure!
2016’s it is then. THANKS!
You originally said the cut shaft with that doctor for the knock in was 369 And then you said the shaft weighed 362 I listened to it several times check it yourself
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2020 arrow build.
aluminum? I use to shoot them, but then I thought about it and they didn't fit the traditional archery paradigm that was trying to keep, so I stowed them away for visitors who come over.
If you shoot carbon, you could stray further from traditional. Aluminum behaves closer to wood.
@@Chiefshadow4 not really.
Carbon and aluminum are both elemental. AL is hardly comparable in physical qualities to the wood arrows I shoot. - you assumed too much ;)
Killed two coyotes today with vapor
Awesome 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻