We covered our home (two story with a "shed" addition from the previous owners) with 8" steel purlins, blown or sheet poly foam insulation, and R-panels. Being in my 60's and having done R-panels starting in the 70's, and given how much it cost to put this roof on, even though I did it myself, yes, cost was a big factor. I was pretty clear that a) I didn't have the equipment to do a "real" standing seam roof (and believe me, I investigated it, from manual crimpers to trailer bound forming machines to small electric roll crimpers for the seams, all the way up to "snap-lock" type "standing seam" roofing), b) I didn't have the experience/expertise (or patience) to do the standing seam, and c) I was able to do my roof at my own pace, getting materials from suppliers I knew could fill my needs when needed. Our roof is a category 4 metal roof and earns a nice insurance discount. I need to go up and scrub it down once in a while because of the natural tendency of anything left outside to get dirty and dusty. But, all that said, I think the standing seam with no fasteners showing is a more "classy" looking roof, as mine tends toward the industrial look. But, sometimes we have choices to make, and mine was to "DIY" and save several thousand dollars. For about 7-8 thousand bux, I got my 2700 square foot home covered with metal, as opposed to the $20K I'd have spent for a standing seam installed by "professionals" (not to mention that I was doing it in the midst of a massive roofing effort in this part of town due to two consecutive springtimes of bit hail storms). Excellent video, much appreciated.
Thanks for sharing Jason, and I'm glad you were able to find a system that works best for your needs! If you would like to see any specific videos in the future that could help you out with maintenance or other info, please let me know.Thanks! -Thad
@@TheMetalRoofingChannel Thanks for your reply. As a matter of fact, I'm open to anything you can suggest about keeping the metal clean and as shiny as possible. Since it's an exposed fastener roof, i certainly want to avoid using a water blaster, and with a fairly strong pitch over the garage and on the second floor, I'm not eager to get up there with a scrub brush. However, I really do want to keep the 'street-visible' portion on the garage as clean as possible. It seems that a harness and tether is about the only answer I can come up with. And, since I'm an old cuss (not frail, just tired), I'd prefer to find a solution that didn't involve that. Doubting there is anything any simpler than getting up there with a stiff brush and bucket of suds. Thanks.
I’ve bought exposed fastener roofing from 3 different places and just like you they leave out a very big consideration.The metal might last a long time but the seals on the screws will not.I have never been told CHANGE SCREWS EVERY 10 YEARS. If you put it on change the screws or you will regret it.
Great presentation, I've roofed since 1974 and my experience always leans toward standing seam, I'm doing Inspections/ repairs now so for my old ass it's a kick to see the progress in the science that takes place now. Roofing has come a long way through the years I've been involved. Nice job guys, live long, work well. ☮️
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You are the only person I’ve heard even attempt to pronounce pvdf properly. Even though you are my companies competition, I appreciate the work you are doing
Thanks so much for the kind words! Our goal is to help the entire industry, and I'm very grateful that you are enjoying the content. Please let me know if you would like to see us cover anything else you're interested in! -Thad
We installed a galvalume standing seam roof on our 1000 sq ft addition project ourselves, awhile back, prior to an army of DIY TH-camrs being a thing. Should be a lot easier to find good educational videos now. Saving the installation cost makes the standing seam roof a swinging deal if you're looking to not have to roof again, or do any maintenance to speak of in your lifetime. The cool roof (galvalume, light silver, plus we spent a little extra on a more reflective UV coating) makes a massive difference on insulation efficiency and comfort (we don't have AC, but we insulated over double the code requirements , used a good radiant barrier, and we have a hydronic heating system in the floors below the metal roof, which is great in Feb). It wasn't that hard to install, as we did it when the weather cooperated. In fact, we even invited our architect over to help us, and learn how to do it. He said the experience changed the way he designs structures. Hardest part was renting a flatbed and driving the panels from the inland empire to ventura county. That was 12 years ago, when we were gambling on a future of rising temperatures wreaking havoc with utilities and wildfires getting worse. Yesterday it topped 112F here on our property in the conejo valley, and we are hoping not to have to evacuate this year. Guess we gambled well on those materials back when. The galvalume standing seam roof, the cement-board siding, and the warmboard decking we ran the pex in for our hydronic floors were definately all a bit of a splurge at the time. In retrospect they were all SO worth it! As we look to retrofitting the existing 1970s construction that needs upgrading, we will insulate and radiant barrier at 3 or 4 times code, waterproof with the new self adhesive barriers available at big box stores, use good whole house fans, install another cool roof over it, and -- if we can--ditch what's left of our forced air heater for point of use hydronics, so we aren't heating rooms we aren't using, or breathing all those allergens. Still hoping we might not have to install AC.
Bought a house with a metal roof. Screws sticking up every where. Panels were coming loose and had some damaged de king under neath. Creeked and popped all day as it warmed up then again as it cooled down. The noise when it rained hard was deafening. Metal roofs are very popular around here. People say they love to hear the sound of the rain. No thanks. We went to shingles and the house is so much quieter there is no comparison. As to your speech some one commeneted, if you just slow down a little and are not in such a hurry it will be better. You gave a ton of good information in a short time. The listener needs a chance for it to soak in. Cheers!
Great video very helpful I'm a salesman starting out selling steel I've sold different home improvement products this is a new learning curve for me thanks again look forward to watching. Other Video
Hi! You mentioned that the metal roof needs to be maintained well for good longevity. Can you do a video on metal roof maintenance? or point to one that was made previously? Searching didn't find any. Thanks!
Galvanized exposed lead seal nail last a hundred years ..! If you insulate with celotex underneath it that will take all the heat out of your attic..!,, if you look at the price compared to the years the old fashioned barn roof galvanized expose nail is the cheapest roof of all ! I have seen this roof on a 12/12 pitch with a bullet hole in it and it still don't leak..!
It's time for me to replace the shingle roof. I wish to do a metal roof; standing seam. I live in SE NYS. What gauge metal would be best to use??? Can you recommend a company who can do this correctly??? I presume I would want to remove the single layer of shingles OR would it be ok to have a metal roof applied over the shingles???? When I had the current roof applied, 2 layers of singles were removed prior to the roof I have now. What do you think it would cost to apply a metal roof on a standard 26' x 40' ranch-style house??? I do have a semi-detached garage & screened porch (between house & garage) , as well. I am more concerned with having only the house redone due to costs.
I purchased a house with a hidden fastener type tin roof. It has a three car carport that was extended with the same material. It has long deep running grooves at a very shallow pitch. I don't think that the carport will hold a person on is an I am not sure of the best way to get the leaves off of it. The trees drop lots of dabree and I would have to have to pay someone to bring a cherry picker out here a few times a year.
I literally watched over a dozen metal roof videos and Ive yet to see anyone address the issue of panel length and size of roof. Ive seen exposed fastener roofs that were 30x40ft. How is this done when the panels are only 16ft long?
Very informative video, I plan on building my first house with my dad in cash, in order not to take out a mortgage, and I’ve really have liked the look of standing seam roof. I’m definitely gonna check out the rest of your videos. Thank you
A matter of pay me now or pay sometime in the future. Standing seam with zink coated steel is probably the last roof you will put on that roof. Please note that cathedrals built 500 years ago still have the original roof. These are cast in place lead.
Hello! It will depend on a few things. Washer material, whether or not it has protection from UV like a steel washer or cap head, if it was installed correctly and not blown out, etc. You should be able to get a more specific answer from the fastener manufacturer and also check if they offer any types of warranty on the fastener/washer. Hope this helps! -Thad
@@1unitedredneck most guys just don't want to use clips....One estimate was for 10k over nail strip....that was the only roofer that would even do it....
@@capeheartriz 10k for how many square roof!? you could specify a mechanical seam roof as opposed to a snap lock roof then there is no nail strip option available
We live in south FL. Shopping for a colored metal roof. We currently have asphalt shingles. I'm wondering, would a matte black metal roof hold more heat than my asphalt shingles. I understand thr SRI is lower than other lighter metal paints, but we are mostly concerned with whether or not the black metal would really hurt our power bill. I've asked around about this, but no solid answer from metal roofers.
1pcmedic Use a boot. Then use the proper sealant before install. Make sure you clean the surface before application. On sealing a boot on a old metal roof. I would use H.E.R products
Where I live in Florida standing seam hidden fastener cost twice as much as exposed fastener roofs. Another thing all these companies leave out is exposed fastener is superior to standing seem when it comes to high winds like hurricanes. If you are going to lose an exposed fastener panel it means you are losing the plywood under it as well and in that case standing seem would fail as well. According to FEMA and again not talked about on these videos is standing seem snap lock panels are the worst performing metal roofs with the panels coming unsnapped from the change in wind pressures. We just went through Hurricane Ian this past September of 2022 and the exposed faster roofs all survived around me without damage, the same can not be said for standing seem hidden fastener roofs were some of them did fail. One shopping plaza has a standing seem hidden fastener roof and the entire roof is having to be replaced, right now they have the entire roof shrink wrapped.
I have an existing car port with exposed fasteners. The panels are the classic ridge , i would like to install a poly-carbonate panel for natural light . The issue is i can seem to find a supplier. The local big box stores don't carry them. The car port is 10 years old an no leaks, any ideas where i can purchase???
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Do not!! I repeat, do not buy home depot crap!! Go to farmtek.com and they're expensive, but the clear panel's they sell are thick, pliable, u.v. resistant and are awesome!! You'll thank yourself for spending the money once, the stuff in the store becomes brittle in no time. Another trick use 1/4 in butyl rubber strip caulk at joints and you'll have zero leaks, you can get it on amazon cheap as hell, it never dries so it stays viscous and wont leak. I wish someone told me about farmtek!! LOL!!
those poly carbonate or fiberglass skylights are problematic and often break and leak before the other roofing....I'm sure that's why they don't handle them anymore....too many issues.
You have to change the fasteners every 10-15 years, because of the steel contracting and expanding day and night causes the neoprene seals on the washers wear out over time and it will begin leaking.
Barn siding, agricultural buildings, not roofing quality in my opinion to lite gauge tear that 29 aka pole barn panel with my hands "crap lap" good for livestock buildings and sheds etc. Atleast should be 24 gauge on the roof that's commercial grade. Paint quality has come along way on these heavier gauge painted metal roof coils. Different paints for barn panels. I just put it this way on my roof I dont want holes in my metal sheets. Screws go in the flats. Looking at the lapping rib on the sheet that first flat on the right of the lapping rib. If u float them through the tops of the rib they will orbite the hole overtime due to thermal expansion. In a pole barn u can often here the screws doing this on a hot but cloudy day sometimes loud enough to sound like a gunshot
@@morehp1 It isnt . Its like saying exposed is wrong , standing seam is right . Its a matter of durability thats it ... and thats the industrys opinion too . U get what u pay .
The location of the lost ark, is more well known, than the proper location of the dam screws. Ask a thousand roofers, get a thousand different answers. Even manufactures can't agree upon placement. The search continues
Depending on the project requirements and location, it's not uncommon that we see radiant barrier systems installed. We used a Sharkskin radiant product on Matt Risinger's house: bit.ly/Matt-Risinger-roofing-video -Thad
I see a lot of exposed fastener roofs where the screws have backed their way out of the decking over the years. Do standing seam metal roofs have this same problem as well but you just can't see the screws? If no, why not?
Screws backing out of an exposed fastener roof is often due to expansion and contraction. Because the panel is pinned to the substrate, the screws can eventually get worked out of the panel due to thermal movement, especially on longer panel runs. A standing seam roof that uses expansion clips won't have the same problem because the clip allows the panel to move appropriately during expansion and contraction. Thanks for the comment! -Thad
In my experience, it depends on what it's screwed into and climate. If the screw protrudes the strapping, it allows conductivity of heat throughout the screw. Which in turn causes it to expand and contract at greater rate than the wood.Thus the term a screw loose. Good day to you. Lol. A little knowledge and laughter rolled into one.
Hello! I can't give you a straight answer because it really depends on your assembly. Is this an open framing application or is there decking? Things like location, pitch, panel type, amount of foam, location of foam, and current ventilation all will have an impact as well. If you give me a few more specifics I will be able to better answer your question. Thanks! -Thad
The Metal Roofing Channel I am using an open framing system. I realized how much I disliked the look of the conventional R-Panel so I am looking at other options to put that have a more “modern” look. I loved the look of the standing seam panel but I was told that in order to put that I’d have to put decking. This is a simple open gable pitch and I wanted the look of a modern farm house. Thank you, I’d appreciate your input.
Thanks for sharing about your system! Unfortunately, there's some more information that we would need to say yes or no. Luckily though, you can contact the Sheffield Metals technical department directly and talk to them here: www.sheffieldmetals.com/Resources/Technical-Department Jeff is the Technical Director, and his phone number is listed on the page. Give him a call and he will be happy to go over your assembly with you. Hope this helps! -Thad
carport roof is shingles and they have blown off several times but were not installed properly .The nails were not nailed in the nail strip and were nailed up to high .I called Max Kendal here to put on a metal roof as they are the metal roof makers here in VA .He wants to put down strapping first and then the metal roof over the shingles .Carport was installed in 2006 with gaf shingles .Should this be standing seam install
The short answer is yes, you can install metal over shingles using strapping, but we don’t recommend it even though people do it all the time. I would recommend tearing off the old shingles, that way you can inspect the wood decking and replace as necessary, install a new UDL and attach the panels directly to the substrate. If your roof has blown off several times already, why take any chances? Installing directly to the plywood also allows you the option of being able to use an engineered system because I'm not aware of anyone that has testing over furring strips. If you want to talk directly to our technical department about your project, you can call Jeff Hock our technical director here: 904.451.5989 Thanks for the comment! -Thad
@@TheMetalRoofingChannel if I have to spend more than 5 thousand I would have it torn down and put up a metal carport for 3 thousand and it is bigger than the wood one
Exposed fasteners are terrible. They loosen after time and on my 10/12 roof it's a pain to tighten them. The screws would be best to have into your framing not the sheeting but that's usually possible. I have 2 feet or more of snow on my roof at times and loose screws are a real problem.
If you can do the install yourself then you are better off purchasing standing seam. The cut in install price should even out closely to the ribbed and install costs.
Good info and nice presentation, my concern is what region was your info from. Being from Michigan we hear good and bad, but our weather can change as much as 50 degrees overnight. Which paint type and roof type can or will handle such extremes better. Is it better to use longer roofing verse shorter panels. i.e Gamble roof or Dormers and issues that have come up from the type of roof add on,s, such as Sky lights. Anyone know more please post.
Hello Ken! The Information is based on best practices and not a specific region, however certain regions might dictate different circumstances. Thermal movement charts are usually based off of 100 degree ambient temperature change in a 24 hour period. SMP or PVDF both should be able to handle the temperatures, but PVDF is an all-around better paint system as we have discussed in previous videos. For standing seam applications we don’t recommend lapping panels so the panel would be as long as it needs to be to remain continuous in length. Length of panel should not be a concern for temperature changes as long as thermal movement is accounted for i.e. expansion clips, hem lengths etc based on the total length of the panel, panel material type and substrate it is being installed on. Expansion tables can be found in all of Sheffield's installation details. We recommend pre-manufactured curbs for any square penetrations. Most flashing kits that come with sky lights are not suitable for metal roof installations. Thanks for the questions! -Thad
Standing seam is a lifelong product. Any good metal outfit is installing 24 gauge metal with 40 year paint warranty. Akzo Nobel and PPG paint systems with a reputable true standing seam installer should be what there installing. In michigan them barn panels tear out of valleys because of ice usually. The only way to flash skylights and chimneys is with hand crafted sheetmetal flashings. A good metal man or installers of mechanically fastened true standing seam will be fabricating all there drip edge sheet panels to length on the job with a portable machine that makes these panels out of painted coil steel. There also is aluminum copper and ryn zinc leaded copper lots of various materials in coil that can be made into panels for roofing. The blind fasten systems do cost more but here it is if you where to stay in a residence for your life you would put three asphalt roofs on vs. 1 standing seam metal roof. When you honestly break the price down a standing seam roof will look just like it did the day it was installed vs. That big ol truck
That u mite have purchased at the same time 60k truck shot in ten years 30 40 50k roof food to go. Guess is people cant see you drive your roof around.... the true standing seam roof is the cat's meow..
TRUE STANDING SEAM MECHANICALLY FASTENED. 2 straight shots gable gable. Penetrations minimal and pipes and penetrations that are a must plan them to be closer to the ridge of the roof especially in regions of heavy snowfall. Standing seam set for good great product. The cost price factor into these more complex and heavier gauge roofing systems is not so much material comparison to asphalt prices. The more and elaborate the roof the higher the cost due to labor. Dormers, valleys,, sidewalls skylights etc. It takes alot more attention to detail then a utility knife to cut asphalt and a bucket of tar then to actually measure cut with tin snips and custom fabricate a piece of sheetmetal to get a chimney not to leak skylight etc. It is really nice to see the roofs that are all cut up and dormers and valleys and spires multi leveled with details up the wazoo. But to achieve the desired effect you must get the architectural layout to it. Nothing worse then seeing a botched layout on a multi sided spire.
Due to expansion and contraction, the screws can potentially back out or make their hole bigger because of the metal's thermal movement. When that happens, it presents the possibility for leaks if the screws aren't maintained. It depends on the system, location and environment, panel length, etc. as to what time frame that would occur. Hope this helps! -Thad
Here's a quick tip that might help some people get by if their rubber washers fail, before you ever attempt to put a metal roof on if you have a shingle roof DO NOT remove the shingles and put 30 lb felt over the shingles before you put the metal down and then use long screws that will penetrate through your old shingles into the plywood this will impregnate around the screw even when the washer do fail and give you some extra time, contractor told me this once and he said he'd never went back on a job in 35 years of experience he also coated each screw head with neoprene caulking which is going to take a little longer but in the long run you'll benefit from it
Thanks for sharing, Brad! Yes, there is a risk for leaks due to the hundreds or thousands of exposed fasteners in a given roof system, especially if they are not installed/maintained correctly. -Thad
The video never got to heart of the issue. The exposed fastener steel may last 60 years but the neoprene on the screws won't, so you have a roof that will leak in best conditions in 15-20 years. For a post frame farm building that may not be a big deal but for a residence or commercial building it will be a disaster. Think about it, steel expands during the coarse of a day and then contracts at night; movement of the roof panels happens over 700 times a year. Screw holes eventually elongate the rubber seal loses it integrity. Chip and Joanna Gaines may get away with exposed fastener roofs in Texas but in Wisconsin exposed fastener roofs on homes and commercial structures are only for the foolish and ill informed. This video does not do justice to the issue.
All American. You make some good points mate, what got me, was the fixings in the middle of the sheet pans. In Australia that’s a warranty fail regardless of pitch or fall.
You are correct sir. I bought a house with a 17 year old exposed fasteners metal roof. It was a nightmare. I'd say we had at least 15 places where the rubber gasket had failed and it rotted the plywood behind it. We tried to have it repaired but it ended up still leaking. We eventually replaced it with an impact resistant shingle roof. It's definitely not a permanent solution like standing seam metal but it was 11k instead of 40k. I'm in Texas. Definitely wouldn't recommend an exposed fastener roof to anyone.
ive been building pre engineered steel buildings for 20 years.no doubt standing seam is way better.alot slower.more components in a standing seam.not really non with a screw down(what we call it)
We have an exposed fastener roof on our ice rink and indoor turf fields. About 85,000 square feet. It was a huge mistake. The roof is about 20 years old and about 10 years ago we started to get leaks all over the place. Seems like the roof expanded and contracted over the years and since the screws stayed in one spot it cut holes in the mental roof. We got leaks all over the the place. We are suppose to get a new roof next year. Total shit show. I hear the old owner said he could have laid 3 exposed faster roofs for the price of one standing seam roof. Not sure about that.
instead of replacing the whole roof just put a coat of white knight plus on it ..it will put a rubber coat over it and you will get another 10 or 20 yr
Must be fastened from ridge or crap screws because my garage roof is 23 years old and everything is still perfect nothing leaks and rubber seals are flexible. My screws has EPDM rubber seal and all screws are in valley which prevents thermal movement much better.
Exposed fastner roofs are meant for Barnes Sheds etc not homes take it from me I have a exposed fastner roof it been on about 8 years and all of the rubber washers around the screws have began to dry rot therefore creating leaks.....my parents have had a shingle roof for 27 years now no problems at all just stick with shingles there cheaper and seem to be more reliable from my experience
A) no actual figures, not even ranges, to answer the question of expense. B) This is so obviously shilling for standing seam, that it actually weakens your case. Try again, as if you were not a salesman for a company that makes and sells standing seam.
Here's a video about cost that covers exposed fastener and standing seam: bit.ly/metal-roof-cost-price-video If there's something specific that I missed, let me know and I can talk about that in a future episode.Thanks for checking out the channel! -Thad
Good video, but I had trouble understanding you. Don't "slur" your words. You know, potatoes in your mouth? Take a class in public speaking ... even a lesson from a voice teacher. Good Luck.
I do educational videos myself and it has taken me a long time to get my speaking abilities better. (I write textbooks, but writing is much different than speaking.) There is a science to this and it's worth looking into. If you have occasion to listen to the "head" of ICE ... he will show you what I mean (he's a terrible speaker, and hearing the error is good to do). @@TheMetalRoofingChannel
Lol your fine. Perhaps the mic is a little close. I do hear the S`s sounding long. It's not you bro it's the Mic or sound settings. You are doing great. Making videos is a tough gig. Keep it up.
We covered our home (two story with a "shed" addition from the previous owners) with 8" steel purlins, blown or sheet poly foam insulation, and R-panels. Being in my 60's and having done R-panels starting in the 70's, and given how much it cost to put this roof on, even though I did it myself, yes, cost was a big factor. I was pretty clear that a) I didn't have the equipment to do a "real" standing seam roof (and believe me, I investigated it, from manual crimpers to trailer bound forming machines to small electric roll crimpers for the seams, all the way up to "snap-lock" type "standing seam" roofing), b) I didn't have the experience/expertise (or patience) to do the standing seam, and c) I was able to do my roof at my own pace, getting materials from suppliers I knew could fill my needs when needed. Our roof is a category 4 metal roof and earns a nice insurance discount. I need to go up and scrub it down once in a while because of the natural tendency of anything left outside to get dirty and dusty. But, all that said, I think the standing seam with no fasteners showing is a more "classy" looking roof, as mine tends toward the industrial look. But, sometimes we have choices to make, and mine was to "DIY" and save several thousand dollars. For about 7-8 thousand bux, I got my 2700 square foot home covered with metal, as opposed to the $20K I'd have spent for a standing seam installed by "professionals" (not to mention that I was doing it in the midst of a massive roofing effort in this part of town due to two consecutive springtimes of bit hail storms). Excellent video, much appreciated.
Thanks for sharing Jason, and I'm glad you were able to find a system that works best for your needs! If you would like to see any specific videos in the future that could help you out with maintenance or other info, please let me know.Thanks! -Thad
@@TheMetalRoofingChannel Thanks for your reply. As a matter of fact, I'm open to anything you can suggest about keeping the metal clean and as shiny as possible. Since it's an exposed fastener roof, i certainly want to avoid using a water blaster, and with a fairly strong pitch over the garage and on the second floor, I'm not eager to get up there with a scrub brush. However, I really do want to keep the 'street-visible' portion on the garage as clean as possible. It seems that a harness and tether is about the only answer I can come up with. And, since I'm an old cuss (not frail, just tired), I'd prefer to find a solution that didn't involve that. Doubting there is anything any simpler than getting up there with a stiff brush and bucket of suds. Thanks.
Yikes -- Sorry for your costs...whew! I guess I should get into the standing seam business.
I’ve bought exposed fastener roofing from 3 different places and just like you they leave out a very big consideration.The metal might last a long time but the seals on the screws will not.I have never been told CHANGE SCREWS EVERY 10 YEARS. If you put it on change the screws or you will regret it.
I have two buildings with roof and exterior walls of exposed fastener roofing. After 17 years I have absolutely no problems. None.
Great presentation,
I've roofed since 1974 and my experience always leans toward standing seam,
I'm doing Inspections/ repairs now so for my old ass it's a kick to see the progress in the science that takes place now.
Roofing has come a long way through the years I've been involved.
Nice job guys, live long, work well. ☮️
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You are the only person I’ve heard even attempt to pronounce pvdf properly. Even though you are my companies competition, I appreciate the work you are doing
Thanks so much for the kind words! Our goal is to help the entire industry, and I'm very grateful that you are enjoying the content. Please let me know if you would like to see us cover anything else you're interested in! -Thad
We installed a galvalume standing seam roof on our 1000 sq ft addition project ourselves, awhile back, prior to an army of DIY TH-camrs being a thing. Should be a lot easier to find good educational videos now. Saving the installation cost makes the standing seam roof a swinging deal if you're looking to not have to roof again, or do any maintenance to speak of in your lifetime. The cool roof (galvalume, light silver, plus we spent a little extra on a more reflective UV coating) makes a massive difference on insulation efficiency and comfort (we don't have AC, but we insulated over double the code requirements , used a good radiant barrier, and we have a hydronic heating system in the floors below the metal roof, which is great in Feb). It wasn't that hard to install, as we did it when the weather cooperated. In fact, we even invited our architect over to help us, and learn how to do it. He said the experience changed the way he designs structures. Hardest part was renting a flatbed and driving the panels from the inland empire to ventura county. That was 12 years ago, when we were gambling on a future of rising temperatures wreaking havoc with utilities and wildfires getting worse. Yesterday it topped 112F here on our property in the conejo valley, and we are hoping not to have to evacuate this year. Guess we gambled well on those materials back when. The galvalume standing seam roof, the cement-board siding, and the warmboard decking we ran the pex in for our hydronic floors were definately all a bit of a splurge at the time. In retrospect they were all SO worth it! As we look to retrofitting the existing 1970s construction that needs upgrading, we will insulate and radiant barrier at 3 or 4 times code, waterproof with the new self adhesive barriers available at big box stores, use good whole house fans, install another cool roof over it, and -- if we can--ditch what's left of our forced air heater for point of use hydronics, so we aren't heating rooms we aren't using, or breathing all those allergens. Still hoping we might not have to install AC.
Thanks for sharing that great story! -Thad
What about the longevity of the gaskets under the screws with the exposed fasteners?
Soak the screws in 303 aerospace sealant. The rubber grommet will soak this up
@@BrettTracyRealtor It may have a temp effect but again, exposed gaskets will deteriorate because of heat cold, and UV exposure.
@@laserfalconvery true, this will help in those certain conditions.
Bought a house with a metal roof. Screws sticking up every where. Panels were coming loose and had some damaged de king under neath. Creeked and popped all day as it warmed up then again as it cooled down. The noise when it rained hard was deafening.
Metal roofs are very popular around here. People say they love to hear the sound of the rain. No thanks. We went to shingles and the house is so much quieter there is no comparison. As to your speech some one commeneted, if you just slow down a little and are not in such a hurry it will be better. You gave a ton of good information in a short time. The listener needs a chance for it to soak in. Cheers!
A little tip click on the 3 dots aNd u can adjust the video speed faster or slower. Really helps with accents or dialects and slow talkers.
Thad, you do a great job with these videos. Thanks.
Great video very helpful I'm a salesman starting out selling steel I've sold different home improvement products this is a new learning curve for me thanks again look forward to watching. Other Video
Hi! You mentioned that the metal roof needs to be maintained well for good longevity. Can you do a video on metal roof maintenance? or point to one that was made previously? Searching didn't find any. Thanks!
Great suggestion! Thanks for watching! -Thad
Thanks….Great info…helped me decide which material to go with..👍
this guys a great spokesperson.
Galvanized exposed lead seal nail last a hundred years ..! If you insulate with celotex underneath it that will take all the heat out of your attic..!,, if you look at the price compared to the years the old fashioned barn roof galvanized expose nail is the cheapest roof of all ! I have seen this roof on a 12/12 pitch with a bullet hole in it and it still don't leak..!
It's time for me to replace the shingle roof. I wish to do a metal roof; standing seam. I live in SE NYS. What gauge metal would be best to use??? Can you recommend a company who can do this correctly??? I presume I would want to remove the single layer of shingles OR would it be ok to have a metal roof applied over the shingles???? When I had the current roof applied, 2 layers of singles were removed prior to the roof I have now. What do you think it would cost to apply a metal roof on a standard 26' x 40' ranch-style house??? I do have a semi-detached garage & screened porch (between house & garage) , as well. I am more concerned with having only the house redone due to costs.
I purchased a house with a hidden fastener type tin roof. It has a three car carport that was extended with the same material. It has long deep running grooves at a very shallow pitch. I don't think that the carport will hold a person on is an I am not sure of the best way to get the leaves off of it. The trees drop lots of dabree and I would have to have to pay someone to bring a cherry picker out here a few times a year.
I literally watched over a dozen metal roof videos and Ive yet to see anyone address the issue of panel length and size of roof. Ive seen exposed fastener roofs that were 30x40ft. How is this done when the panels are only 16ft long?
Very informative video, I plan on building my first house with my dad in cash, in order not to take out a mortgage, and I’ve really have liked the look of standing seam roof. I’m definitely gonna check out the rest of your videos. Thank you
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A matter of pay me now or pay sometime in the future. Standing seam with zink coated steel is probably the last roof you will put on that roof. Please note that cathedrals built 500 years ago still have the original roof. These are cast in place lead.
Poisoning people for 500 years isn't really desireble
What does a hip rafter standing seam detail look like
Can you recommend a quality standing seam installer in the Sarasota/ Bradenton Florida area for your product?
Awesome and a great looking guy to look at to learn about a boring subject.
I always wondered how these types of roofing coop with condensation?
What about the fasteners on the exposed type. How long do those “rubber” washers last?
Hello! It will depend on a few things. Washer material, whether or not it has protection from UV like a steel washer or cap head, if it was installed correctly and not blown out, etc. You should be able to get a more specific answer from the fastener manufacturer and also check if they offer any types of warranty on the fastener/washer. Hope this helps! -Thad
What are your opinions of standing seam clips vs. nail strip installation????…..Do clip installations with stand hurricane force winds better?
Clips are better for allowing thermal expansion and contraction, either can be installed to meet your required wind rating
@@1unitedredneck most guys just don't want to use clips....One estimate was for 10k over nail strip....that was the only roofer that would even do it....
@@capeheartriz 10k for how many square roof!? you could specify a mechanical seam roof as opposed to a snap lock roof then there is no nail strip option available
what does everybody think about Stealthbond adhesive vs screwing in the metal roof?
We live in south FL. Shopping for a colored metal roof. We currently have asphalt shingles. I'm wondering, would a matte black metal roof hold more heat than my asphalt shingles. I understand thr SRI is lower than other lighter metal paints, but we are mostly concerned with whether or not the black metal would really hurt our power bill.
I've asked around about this, but no solid answer from metal roofers.
How would you flash around a 12" roof jack on a 5/12 pitch? I haven't found a channel yet that discusses this. Thanks!
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Use a boot. Then use the proper sealant before install. Make sure you clean the surface before application.
On sealing a boot on a old metal roof. I would use H.E.R products
Loved this!!!
Where I live in Florida standing seam hidden fastener cost twice as much as exposed fastener roofs. Another thing all these companies leave out is exposed fastener is superior to standing seem when it comes to high winds like hurricanes. If you are going to lose an exposed fastener panel it means you are losing the plywood under it as well and in that case standing seem would fail as well. According to FEMA and again not talked about on these videos is standing seem snap lock panels are the worst performing metal roofs with the panels coming unsnapped from the change in wind pressures.
We just went through Hurricane Ian this past September of 2022 and the exposed faster roofs all survived around me without damage, the same can not be said for standing seem hidden fastener roofs were some of them did fail. One shopping plaza has a standing seem hidden fastener roof and the entire roof is having to be replaced, right now they have the entire roof shrink wrapped.
I have an existing car port with exposed fasteners. The panels are the classic ridge , i would like to install a poly-carbonate panel for natural light . The issue is i can seem to find a supplier. The local big box stores don't carry them. The car port is 10 years old an no leaks, any ideas where i can purchase???
Do not!! I repeat, do not buy home depot crap!! Go to farmtek.com and they're expensive, but the clear panel's they sell are thick, pliable, u.v. resistant and are awesome!! You'll thank yourself for spending the money once, the stuff in the store becomes brittle in no time. Another trick use 1/4 in butyl rubber strip caulk at joints and you'll have zero leaks, you can get it on amazon cheap as hell, it never dries so it stays viscous and wont leak. I wish someone told me about farmtek!! LOL!!
Not worth the money or headache
those poly carbonate or fiberglass skylights are problematic and often break and leak before the other roofing....I'm sure that's why they don't handle them anymore....too many issues.
What is the "maintanance" of the exsposed fastener you mentioned? Thanks.
You have to change the fasteners every 10-15 years, because of the steel contracting and expanding day and night causes the neoprene seals on the washers wear out over time and it will begin leaking.
@@erickaufman4674 ahhhhh..thanks. i will either be dead or in a retirement community by then. But good to know.
Barn siding, agricultural buildings, not roofing quality in my opinion to lite gauge tear that 29 aka pole barn panel with my hands "crap lap" good for livestock buildings and sheds etc. Atleast should be 24 gauge on the roof that's commercial grade. Paint quality has come along way on these heavier gauge painted metal roof coils. Different paints for barn panels. I just put it this way on my roof I dont want holes in my metal sheets. Screws go in the flats. Looking at the lapping rib on the sheet that first flat on the right of the lapping rib. If u float them through the tops of the rib they will orbite the hole overtime due to thermal expansion. In a pole barn u can often here the screws doing this on a hot but cloudy day sometimes loud enough to sound like a gunshot
Youre awesome Tad!!! Thanks so much for sharing youre experience, knowledge & skill!!
Thanks so much, Shawn! -Thad
I thought the fasteners were supposed to go through the "flats" on an exposed fastener system. Your video showed the screws through the rib.
Paul Wiederhold in the rib is 100 percent the wrong way.
@@morehp1 It isnt . Its like saying exposed is wrong , standing seam is right . Its a matter of durability thats it ... and thats the industrys opinion too . U get what u pay .
The location of the lost ark, is more well known, than the proper location of the dam screws.
Ask a thousand roofers, get a thousand different answers.
Even manufactures can't agree upon placement.
The search continues
How often do you guys install radiant barriers underneath?
Depending on the project requirements and location, it's not uncommon that we see radiant barrier systems installed. We used a Sharkskin radiant product on Matt Risinger's house: bit.ly/Matt-Risinger-roofing-video -Thad
Very informative. Thanks for the information!
Glad it was helpful! -Thad
I see a lot of exposed fastener roofs where the screws have backed their way out of the decking over the years. Do standing seam metal roofs have this same problem as well but you just can't see the screws? If no, why not?
Screws backing out of an exposed fastener roof is often due to expansion and contraction. Because the panel is pinned
to the substrate, the screws can eventually get worked out of the panel due to thermal movement, especially on longer panel runs. A standing seam roof that uses expansion clips won't have the same problem because the clip allows the panel to move appropriately during
expansion and contraction. Thanks for the comment! -Thad
Makes sense to me. I have never seen screws that have backed out of a standing seam roof, but I have also never removed a standing seam roof, either.
In my experience, it depends on what it's screwed into and climate. If the screw protrudes the strapping, it allows conductivity of heat throughout the screw. Which in turn causes it to expand and contract at greater rate than the wood.Thus the term a screw loose.
Good day to you. Lol.
A little knowledge and laughter rolled into one.
What are my options if I want to install standing seam with spray foam as I would on an exposed fastener panel?
Hello! I can't give you a straight answer because it really depends on your assembly. Is this an open framing application or is there decking? Things like location, pitch, panel type, amount of foam, location of foam, and current ventilation all will have an impact as well. If you give me a few more specifics I will be able to better answer your question. Thanks! -Thad
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I am using an open framing system. I realized how much I disliked the look of the conventional R-Panel so I am looking at other options to put that have a more “modern” look. I loved the look of the standing seam panel but I was told that in order to put that I’d have to put decking. This is a simple open gable pitch and I wanted the look of a modern farm house. Thank you, I’d appreciate your input.
Thanks for sharing about your system! Unfortunately, there's some more information that we would need to say yes or no. Luckily though, you can contact the Sheffield Metals technical department directly and talk to them here: www.sheffieldmetals.com/Resources/Technical-Department
Jeff is the Technical Director, and his phone number is listed on the page. Give him a call and he will be happy to go over your assembly with you. Hope this helps! -Thad
carport roof is shingles and they have blown off several times but were not installed properly .The nails were not nailed in the nail strip and were nailed up to high .I called Max Kendal here to put on a metal roof as they are the metal roof makers here in VA .He wants to put down strapping first and then the metal roof over the shingles .Carport was installed in 2006 with gaf shingles .Should this be standing seam install
The short answer is yes, you can install metal over shingles using strapping, but we don’t recommend it even though people do it all the time. I would recommend tearing off the old shingles, that way you can inspect the wood decking and replace as necessary, install a new UDL and attach the panels directly to the substrate. If your roof has blown off several times already, why take any chances? Installing directly to the plywood also allows you the option of being able to use an engineered system because I'm not aware of anyone that has testing over furring strips. If you want to talk directly to our technical department about your project, you can call Jeff Hock our technical director here: 904.451.5989 Thanks for the comment! -Thad
@@TheMetalRoofingChannel if I have to spend more than 5 thousand I would have it torn down and put up a metal carport for 3 thousand and it is bigger than the wood one
Thanks Thad for all your info..
Great video
This is good information. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful! -Thad
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Exposed fasteners are terrible. They loosen after time and on my 10/12 roof it's a pain to tighten them. The screws would be best to have into your framing not the sheeting but that's usually possible. I have 2 feet or more of snow on my roof at times and loose screws are a real problem.
If you can do the install yourself then you are better off purchasing standing seam. The cut in install price should even out closely to the ribbed and install costs.
and most businesses use standing seams also because they can dictate the length,and eliminate having a lap
No comparison one is for people going cheap one is for people spending money for a high end product you get what you pay for
Thank You Sir.
Good info and nice presentation, my concern is what region was your info from. Being from Michigan we hear good and bad, but our weather can change as much as 50 degrees overnight. Which paint type and roof type can or will handle such extremes better. Is it better to use longer roofing verse shorter panels. i.e Gamble roof or Dormers and issues that have come up from the type of roof add on,s, such as Sky lights. Anyone know more please post.
Hello Ken! The Information is based on best practices and not a specific region, however certain regions might dictate different circumstances. Thermal movement charts are usually based off of 100 degree ambient temperature change in a 24 hour period. SMP or PVDF both should be able to handle the temperatures, but PVDF is an all-around better paint system as we have discussed in previous videos. For standing seam applications we don’t recommend lapping panels so the panel would be as long as it needs to be to remain continuous in length. Length of panel should not be a concern for temperature changes as long as thermal movement is accounted for i.e. expansion clips, hem lengths etc based on the total length of the panel, panel material type and substrate it is being installed on. Expansion tables can be found in all of Sheffield's installation details. We recommend pre-manufactured curbs for any square penetrations. Most flashing kits that come with sky lights are not suitable for metal roof installations. Thanks for the questions! -Thad
@@TheMetalRoofingChannel thanks for info, and response good ideas for roofing hard to do with no information
Standing seam is a lifelong product. Any good metal outfit is installing 24 gauge metal with 40 year paint warranty. Akzo Nobel and PPG paint systems with a reputable true standing seam installer should be what there installing. In michigan them barn panels tear out of valleys because of ice usually. The only way to flash skylights and chimneys is with hand crafted sheetmetal flashings. A good metal man or installers of mechanically fastened true standing seam will be fabricating all there drip edge sheet panels to length on the job with a portable machine that makes these panels out of painted coil steel. There also is aluminum copper and ryn zinc leaded copper lots of various materials in coil that can be made into panels for roofing. The blind fasten systems do cost more but here it is if you where to stay in a residence for your life you would put three asphalt roofs on vs. 1 standing seam metal roof. When you honestly break the price down a standing seam roof will look just like it did the day it was installed vs. That big ol truck
That u mite have purchased at the same time 60k truck shot in ten years 30 40 50k roof food to go. Guess is people cant see you drive your roof around.... the true standing seam roof is the cat's meow..
TRUE STANDING SEAM MECHANICALLY FASTENED. 2 straight shots gable gable. Penetrations minimal and pipes and penetrations that are a must plan them to be closer to the ridge of the roof especially in regions of heavy snowfall. Standing seam set for good great product. The cost price factor into these more complex and heavier gauge roofing systems is not so much material comparison to asphalt prices. The more and elaborate the roof the higher the cost due to labor. Dormers, valleys,, sidewalls skylights etc. It takes alot more attention to detail then a utility knife to cut asphalt and a bucket of tar then to actually measure cut with tin snips and custom fabricate a piece of sheetmetal to get a chimney not to leak skylight etc. It is really nice to see the roofs that are all cut up and dormers and valleys and spires multi leveled with details up the wazoo. But to achieve the desired effect you must get the architectural layout to it. Nothing worse then seeing a botched layout on a multi sided spire.
On an exposed fastener roof I have heard that you have to replace the fasteners every 5 to 10 years.Any truth to that?
Due to expansion and contraction, the screws can potentially back out or make their hole bigger because of the metal's thermal movement. When that happens, it presents the possibility for leaks if the screws aren't maintained. It depends on the system, location and environment, panel length, etc. as to what time frame that would occur. Hope this helps! -Thad
Here's a quick tip that might help some people get by if their rubber washers fail, before you ever attempt to put a metal roof on if you have a shingle roof DO NOT remove the shingles and put 30 lb felt over the shingles before you put the metal down and then use long screws that will penetrate through your old shingles into the plywood this will impregnate around the screw even when the washer do fail and give you some extra time, contractor told me this once and he said he'd never went back on a job in 35 years of experience he also coated each screw head with neoprene caulking which is going to take a little longer but in the long run you'll benefit from it
Great video. Thanks. One topic you missed though was leaks. Exposed fasteners has substantially greater propensity to leak.
Thanks for sharing, Brad! Yes, there is a risk for leaks due to the hundreds or thousands of exposed fasteners in a given roof system, especially if they are not installed/maintained correctly. -Thad
Great video. Thank you.
You are welcome! -Thad
Thank you.
Great video. Informative.
Nice breakdown
The video never got to heart of the issue. The exposed fastener steel may last 60 years but the neoprene on the screws won't, so you have a roof that will leak in best conditions in 15-20 years. For a post frame farm building that may not be a big deal but for a residence or commercial building it will be a disaster. Think about it, steel expands during the coarse of a day and then contracts at night; movement of the roof panels happens over 700 times a year. Screw holes eventually elongate the rubber seal loses it integrity. Chip and Joanna Gaines may get away with exposed fastener roofs in Texas but in Wisconsin exposed fastener roofs on homes and commercial structures are only for the foolish and ill informed. This video does not do justice to the issue.
All American. You make some good points mate, what got me, was the fixings in the middle of the sheet pans. In Australia that’s a warranty fail regardless of pitch or fall.
You are correct sir. I bought a house with a 17 year old exposed fasteners metal roof. It was a nightmare. I'd say we had at least 15 places where the rubber gasket had failed and it rotted the plywood behind it. We tried to have it repaired but it ended up still leaking. We eventually replaced it with an impact resistant shingle roof. It's definitely not a permanent solution like standing seam metal but it was 11k instead of 40k. I'm in Texas. Definitely wouldn't recommend an exposed fastener roof to anyone.
Great info, and correct imo
ive been building pre engineered steel buildings for 20 years.no doubt standing seam is way better.alot slower.more components in a standing seam.not really non with a screw down(what we call it)
Could you repeat that in English for us liberals who don't understand gibberish.
Crap lap libby crap screwdown ya know
You sound like MC Hammer here 4:29
25 k roof----where's the gold ? in your pocket?
We have an exposed fastener roof on our ice rink and indoor turf fields. About 85,000 square feet. It was a huge mistake. The roof is about 20 years old and about 10 years ago we started to get leaks all over the place. Seems like the roof expanded and contracted over the years and since the screws stayed in one spot it cut holes in the mental roof. We got leaks all over the the place. We are suppose to get a new roof next year. Total shit show. I hear the old owner said he could have laid 3 exposed faster roofs for the price of one standing seam roof. Not sure about that.
instead of replacing the whole roof just put a coat of white knight plus on it ..it will put a rubber coat over it and you will get another 10 or 20 yr
Must be fastened from ridge or crap screws because my garage roof is 23 years old and everything is still perfect nothing leaks and rubber seals are flexible. My screws has EPDM rubber seal and all screws are in valley which prevents thermal movement much better.
thanks!
Check out enkapsulator.com
This application might sway the standing seam lobbyist.
Exposed fastner roofs are meant for Barnes Sheds etc not homes take it from me I have a exposed fastner roof it been on about 8 years and all of the rubber washers around the screws have began to dry rot therefore creating leaks.....my parents have had a shingle roof for 27 years now no problems at all just stick with shingles there cheaper and seem to be more reliable from my experience
Bullshit
I have 23 year roof with exposed fasteners and seals are still flexible. Those seals are made from EPDM rubber and everything is still perfect.
The fact that we re still talking about putting exposed screws through a roof in this day and age is mind boggling. US is way behind on this.
Typical Installer trying to justify the higher price of the standing seam system vs the DIY friendly home depot/lowes exposed fasteners panels...
A) no actual figures, not even ranges, to answer the question of expense. B) This is so obviously shilling for standing seam, that it actually weakens your case. Try again, as if you were not a salesman for a company that makes and sells standing seam.
Here's a video about cost that covers exposed fastener and standing seam: bit.ly/metal-roof-cost-price-video
If there's something specific that I missed, let me know and I can talk about that in a future episode.Thanks for checking out the channel! -Thad
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Shit. He just talked the whole video. No help at all
What kind of info would you like, Mark? Maybe I can help you out directly since the video couldn't. Let me know! -Thad
Steel roofing sucks
Good video, but I had trouble understanding you. Don't "slur" your words. You know, potatoes in your mouth? Take a class in public speaking ... even a lesson from a voice teacher. Good Luck.
Never heard that before, but I'll be sure to pay more attention in the future. Thanks for pointing that out. -Thad
I do educational videos myself and it has taken me a long time to get my speaking abilities better. (I write textbooks, but writing is much different than speaking.) There is a science to this and it's worth looking into. If you have occasion to listen to the "head" of ICE ... he will show you what I mean (he's a terrible speaker, and hearing the error is good to do). @@TheMetalRoofingChannel
Dont pay attention to this idiot. Great and informative video and you have no speech problem at all. This guy is crazy.
Lol your fine. Perhaps the mic is a little close. I do hear the S`s sounding long. It's not you bro it's the Mic or sound settings. You are doing great. Making videos is a tough gig. Keep it up.
What a dick! I can completely understand your words and thought it was a great video. Don’t listen to that clown.