9:30 I went and watched the video they referenced here, and it was amazing! Super informative and broke down the technical details into a level that totally made sense. If the *really* nerdy tech about speedrunning appeals to you, go watch it. Also, fantastic run! I always love seeing TASbot.
I stayed up just so I could see this live. Was worth it, TASbot really delivered. Very impressive. Thanks to all the authors who made this TAS. Also: Deer Force!
It was a miscommunication of how the run is timed, RTA timing for Metroid starts on first input, which is on Ceres, unfortunately there's nearly 3 minutes of cutscene before that
Personally, I like the version where the graphics still get screwed up, but fixed at every door transition. The fully unlocked cam is just a bit too weird for me.
kinda both? basically the inputs themselves are recorded in sequence and played back by plugging it into the game, so it is possible for it to go off-sync if it were to get unplugged for a second, for example
Tool Assisted Speedruns (TAS) are recorded using emulators to control the game frame by frame with perfect precision. This allows the TAS author to break the game doing things that a physical controller and actual humans cannot. Ordinarily, you would playback the TAS on a compatible emulator to watch the game play out. Physical verification is the process of performing the run playback on a physical device, 'proving' that the TAS is valid. TASBot is a physical device that plays back the controller inputs in real time, serving as both a physical verification and a really cool looking piece of tech. You could accomplish the same thing with a relatively low-tech PCB and the know-how, but it wouldn't look nearly as cool in a live setting. There has also been a ton of work to improve the accuracy and performance of the device over the years. So yes, TAS is pre-recorded. The physical ROB the robot model is just a cool looking model casing for the PCB that plays back exact controller inputs.
@@eudaimonistic While most TASes shown at GDQ are being played by feeding inputs to the console in real-time, this one was actually just an emulator video (well, a *pair* of videos, due to Save vs Kill) being played back. Unfortunately Super Metroid is very difficult to Console Verify because of desyncs between the CPU and SPC. Dwango made reference to that in this video, he went into more detail at SGDQ2018, where that TAS *was* being played back on a console. They needed to do some weird movement to make sure it would still sync up, which made the Ceres Escape time worse than many human runners are capable of.
This was a video recording of the TAS. For most TASBot shows, they are sending the controller inputs directly to the console. Unfortunately, SNES TASes are extremely challenging to sync with the console due to some timing variations in the audio processor.
Wait, so is this TAS or a person playing? The inputs are crazy accurate and NO mistakes.... crazy 11:53 and how's he falling so fast consecutively? Is that the normal moon fall? I also noticed he was spamming the jump before a fall.
Nothing is truly random in a video game - the "random number generator" in this game is actually doing a bunch of fancy math to make a fixed sequence of random-looking numbers. The "seed" for the random number generator is generally user input or the system clock, so if you make the same inputs at the same time the game will always get the same random numbers.
@@benjaminlee985 While most TASes shown at GDQ are being played by feeding inputs to the console in real-time, this one was actually just an emulator video (well, a *pair* of videos, due to Save vs Kill) being played back. Unfortunately Super Metroid is very difficult to Console Verify because of desyncs between the CPU and SPC. Dwango made reference to that in this video, he went into more detail at SGDQ2018, where that TAS *was* being played back on a console. They needed to do some weird movement to make sure it would still sync up, which made the Ceres Escape time worse than many human runners are capable of.
What's funny about some of the things I see breaking these games is.. when i was younger and playing these games figuring these things out... I never realized I was doing things that would become part of a movement.. and it's so cool to see a computer run it and exploit things I found on my own and see them done perfectly
i wish it was explained at all why the TAS goes to so many areas that RTA was not. they say so many things about RTA being different and never explain why
I've noticed this in a bunch of the GDQ videos from this iteration, but what's up with the bits and pieces of people talking in the background? Were the mics just too sensitive or was there a hot mic that wasn't supposed to be or? It could be worse but it's certainly distracting. If anyone is aware of what happened with this I'd appreciate knowing more.
Wait a minute. If this is a TAS, what the heck kind of effect would the bid war have on Saving / Killing the Animals? The TAS input sequence doesn't have realtime forks, as far as I know. That part seems phony.
I know this comment is 5 months old, but iirc they were running two versions of the tas simultaneously, and just switched the video feed to reflect the dono goals
What do you want, the slightest change in routing? The point is entertainment, if you had sniq make a separate rbo tas it would be 95% the same, there wouldn't be a point to a separate tas.
It's an odd decision, but TASvideos has always been very aggressive about "quality over quantity"; they don't want too many runs for any one game and have no problem removing a category if they think other runs for the same game are more entertaining. RBO will probably return eventually when someone finds a way to do it that's different enough. Anyway, "obsolete" runs don't go anywhere -- they're still hosted on the site. (If I had to guess, the reason for this philosophy is that TASing was incredibly controversial in the early days. Speedrunners felt, with some justice, that these impossibly fast runs would steal their audience. The TASers had to prove their work could be entertaining for its own unique reasons instead, and so there was good reason to have only the best examples on TASvideos.)
wow they really shouldn't have shown the bid war at the bottom of the screen for the last 5 minutes of this run, like clearly someone sniped in a fairly large amount for save right after tasbot stopped updating totals, but god it looks real bad to hear 'kill the animals wins' when the read out shows save winning.
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Of all the runners, how the heck did Tasbot go over the estimate!?!? That is not acceptable at all! 🤣
35 minutes wasnt enough to contain the awesome.
One of those, "this hasn't happened before" moments.
If it were allowed to report its own estimate, this wouldn't have happened.
"Stick around for the funny item percent."
Video ends *IMMEDIATELY* prior to the number.
Right? I wish I could remember what it was.
Yeah Ikr? It was 21% btw
They've done it.
They found the Super Metroid BLJ.
"Yahoo! Ya-Ya-Ya-ya-ya-ya-YAHOO!" -Samus
9:30 I went and watched the video they referenced here, and it was amazing! Super informative and broke down the technical details into a level that totally made sense. If the *really* nerdy tech about speedrunning appeals to you, go watch it.
Also, fantastic run! I always love seeing TASbot.
Thank you so much for the kind words! I'm glad you liked it!
Amazing video, agreed.
It's amazing that the incredible atmosphere of this game still comes through even in a TAS presentation. The end still gave me chills!
The ninja pirates watching Samus enter their room with one health: 😈 Ridley watching Samus leave the ninja pirate room with one health: 😨
I stayed up just so I could see this live. Was worth it, TASbot really delivered. Very impressive. Thanks to all the authors who made this TAS. Also: Deer Force!
What is TASbot?
Deer FoOoOORCE!!
Finally seeing some precious frames be saved brought a tear to this old man's eye :,)
Here together!
There is no way that is has been 10 years since TASBot debuted. There is just no way. Oh god I'm old.
I feel that
I'm not sure why but I find it funny that they got the estimated time wrong for a pre-recorded run. >.
It was a miscommunication of how the run is timed, RTA timing for Metroid starts on first input, which is on Ceres, unfortunately there's nearly 3 minutes of cutscene before that
I feel like I need a 2 hour explainer video that explains all the tricks in detail. There's so much to see and understand here.
17:33 wave beam moment made my day 😂🤍✨
D e e R F o r C e
D E E R F O R C E
DeeeeRFooooorce
OG moonfall? All hail TASBOT. I, for one, welcome our TASBOT overlord.
TASbot is a favorite segment of every GDQ. I look forward to seeing them at SGDQ!
I like that the Mother Brain fight was synched to the music through most of it.
stump provided fantastic commentary =]
Can't believe they killed my precious animals I'll never recover
As TerminalMontage showed us, it's either the animals or us.
According to the bids, it was an anonymous donation for $3,500 in the final seconds. Anyone giving bets that it'll be rescinded/reversed?
Same every year
@@indigodarkwolfIt looks like it stayed :)
@@louis-etiennebelangergagno5514What would you like to see next?
21:13 bro back there thinking WHAT THE HECK DID I SEE?
Personally, I like the version where the graphics still get screwed up, but fixed at every door transition. The fully unlocked cam is just a bit too weird for me.
Samus Shine Sparking with her X-ray scope on will never not be funny.
how many percent complete? great run
21%
3 etanks, 1 reserve, 3 missile packs, 2 super packs, 2 power bomb packs, morph, bombs, charge beam, xray, varia, speed booster, wave beam, hi-jump boots, ice beam, and plasma beam.
They cut it off seconds before it showed on screen
9:37 guys we all know what happens when we enter Brinstar 🕺🕺💃💃🎶🎶
Save the frames winning at the very end was one of the most moments in history
I've seen many Super Metroid runs in my time but I've never heard of an X factor until this showcase
smh. TASBot killed the animals and still couldn't beat the estimate.
Bout half way through and the kill-save ratio is almost even now. Nail biting.
Nevermind- 2k donation just tipped it over to euthanasia.
Oh animals came back- phew.
"every time she waves her arm cannon in the air" I thought it was because she just didn't care.
Months of my childhood violated in minutes.
“Get your phones out to donate to kill the animals!” Words you’d expect Mr Burns to say.
the crowd at 32:00
Why did they include the intro in the time? Usually the timer starts at ceres station. run was closer to a mid 33
I believe that TAS timing usually starts as soon as the power is turned on.
It's my understanding that TAS starts at power on, unlike RTA.
TAS runs start when the game is powered on, there is a TAS time and an RTA time, and also the in-game time.
Is the tas a prerecorded run? Or a robot capable of making frame exact inputs and responses, while doing a new run?
kinda both? basically the inputs themselves are recorded in sequence and played back by plugging it into the game, so it is possible for it to go off-sync if it were to get unplugged for a second, for example
The later!
Tool Assisted Speedruns (TAS) are recorded using emulators to control the game frame by frame with perfect precision. This allows the TAS author to break the game doing things that a physical controller and actual humans cannot. Ordinarily, you would playback the TAS on a compatible emulator to watch the game play out. Physical verification is the process of performing the run playback on a physical device, 'proving' that the TAS is valid. TASBot is a physical device that plays back the controller inputs in real time, serving as both a physical verification and a really cool looking piece of tech.
You could accomplish the same thing with a relatively low-tech PCB and the know-how, but it wouldn't look nearly as cool in a live setting. There has also been a ton of work to improve the accuracy and performance of the device over the years.
So yes, TAS is pre-recorded. The physical ROB the robot model is just a cool looking model casing for the PCB that plays back exact controller inputs.
@@eudaimonistic While most TASes shown at GDQ are being played by feeding inputs to the console in real-time, this one was actually just an emulator video (well, a *pair* of videos, due to Save vs Kill) being played back. Unfortunately Super Metroid is very difficult to Console Verify because of desyncs between the CPU and SPC. Dwango made reference to that in this video, he went into more detail at SGDQ2018, where that TAS *was* being played back on a console. They needed to do some weird movement to make sure it would still sync up, which made the Ceres Escape time worse than many human runners are capable of.
This was a video recording of the TAS. For most TASBot shows, they are sending the controller inputs directly to the console. Unfortunately, SNES TASes are extremely challenging to sync with the console due to some timing variations in the audio processor.
Wait, so is this TAS or a person playing? The inputs are crazy accurate and NO mistakes.... crazy 11:53 and how's he falling so fast consecutively? Is that the normal moon fall? I also noticed he was spamming the jump before a fall.
How does Tasbot compensate for variables? Or has this been optimised to the point where the enemy patterns are always the same?
Nothing is truly random in a video game - the "random number generator" in this game is actually doing a bunch of fancy math to make a fixed sequence of random-looking numbers. The "seed" for the random number generator is generally user input or the system clock, so if you make the same inputs at the same time the game will always get the same random numbers.
@@benjaminlee985 While most TASes shown at GDQ are being played by feeding inputs to the console in real-time, this one was actually just an emulator video (well, a *pair* of videos, due to Save vs Kill) being played back. Unfortunately Super Metroid is very difficult to Console Verify because of desyncs between the CPU and SPC. Dwango made reference to that in this video, he went into more detail at SGDQ2018, where that TAS *was* being played back on a console. They needed to do some weird movement to make sure it would still sync up, which made the Ceres Escape time worse than many human runners are capable of.
This is only true for old games and games where the developers have specifically chosen to seed random number generators like that
My mind is blown🎉
34:28 Brainbuster!!!
Glad to see a fellow OAS fan. Was thinking the same thing.
such a fun run!
The only reason why I'm subbed to this channel is for Super Metroid runs
What's funny about some of the things I see breaking these games is.. when i was younger and playing these games figuring these things out... I never realized I was doing things that would become part of a movement.. and it's so cool to see a computer run it and exploit things I found on my own and see them done perfectly
I can’t believe that Microwave Beam is a strat in TAS now.
26:17 DarkXoa says some runners can press left and right at the same time. How?
I thought the clock would start after the opening credits. It seems like runs I’ve seen do that.
it cut out before the item percentage
21% according to Dwango elsewhere in the comments here
21% with 3 etanks, 1 reserve, 3 missile packs, 2 super packs, 2 power bomb packs, morph, bombs, charge beam, xray, varia, speed booster, wave beam, hi-jump boots, ice beam, and plasma beam.
Live too
WJ imagine an acronym having more syllables than the actual word.
i wish it was explained at all why the TAS goes to so many areas that RTA was not. they say so many things about RTA being different and never explain why
GDQ needs more Tasbot!
I've noticed this in a bunch of the GDQ videos from this iteration, but what's up with the bits and pieces of people talking in the background? Were the mics just too sensitive or was there a hot mic that wasn't supposed to be or? It could be worse but it's certainly distracting. If anyone is aware of what happened with this I'd appreciate knowing more.
Farewell sweet animals, the sub 36 minute TAS is dedicated to all of you 🥲
Can anyone tell me how to do those visualizer effects for when the hosts are using their microphone?
Put sniq on the damn couch! 😂😂😂
What are the Charities that the money goes to?
Disappointing to not see the TAS save the animals, but nice regardless.
You can see a Save ending on the previous TAS done at SGDQ 2018.
“That sounds exactly like the thinking of a machine to me…” - Morpheus - The Matrix Reloaded
So what was the % of completion?
21% with 3 etanks, 1 reserve, 3 missile packs, 2 super packs, 2 power bomb packs, morph, bombs, charge beam, xray, varia, speed booster, wave beam, hi-jump boots, ice beam, and plasma beam.
Question why are we starting from the game intro
I'm a Save the Animals person myself, but always glad to see the donations regardless.
necesitamos una pelicula supermetroid con personas reales yuuuuppiiiiiii
Wait a minute. If this is a TAS, what the heck kind of effect would the bid war have on Saving / Killing the Animals? The TAS input sequence doesn't have realtime forks, as far as I know. That part seems phony.
I know this comment is 5 months old, but iirc they were running two versions of the tas simultaneously, and just switched the video feed to reflect the dono goals
Still think that, as long as saving lives is the charity, saving the animals should be mandatory. Otherwise another incredible TASBot run!
This TAS obsoletting the RBO run is something I'll never agree to.
What do you want, the slightest change in routing?
The point is entertainment, if you had sniq make a separate rbo tas it would be 95% the same, there wouldn't be a point to a separate tas.
Wasn't the incentive to SAVE the animals?
Back in my day kill the animals always won....what have you speedrunners turned into
>Isn't RBO
>Obsoleted RBO TAS
What. Kraid first is literally the opposite of RBO, even if you then go R-D-P.
It's an odd decision, but TASvideos has always been very aggressive about "quality over quantity"; they don't want too many runs for any one game and have no problem removing a category if they think other runs for the same game are more entertaining. RBO will probably return eventually when someone finds a way to do it that's different enough. Anyway, "obsolete" runs don't go anywhere -- they're still hosted on the site.
(If I had to guess, the reason for this philosophy is that TASing was incredibly controversial in the early days. Speedrunners felt, with some justice, that these impossibly fast runs would steal their audience. The TASers had to prove their work could be entertaining for its own unique reasons instead, and so there was good reason to have only the best examples on TASvideos.)
Ya. I really don't get the reasoning.
What's RBO?
Yea I was thinking this too like wtf this is not rbo it makes no sense
@@obiwancannoli1920
Reverse Boss Order.
This is an Insane run don't get me wrong. But the fact that oatsngoats did this faster without any glitches is just mind blowing
Feels weird to be commentating and say moonfall 12 times or so and never what that is.
wow they really shouldn't have shown the bid war at the bottom of the screen for the last 5 minutes of this run, like clearly someone sniped in a fairly large amount for save right after tasbot stopped updating totals, but god it looks real bad to hear 'kill the animals wins' when the read out shows save winning.
to be honest, yeah, is cool to save the animals, but its awful when it ruins WR