steve wiebe sends in tape of world record...guys come and take apart his machine. Billy Mitchell sends in tape of world record...posted on website 10 min later. Steve is the real champ here
tedddy....how is steve supposed to know that? all he knew was the game, he wasn't involved with the other gamers or their nerd community for decades like those other losers were, it's not his job to research other players when billy is officially recognized by twin galaxies
zax al ghul....in the documentary steve was not home, but his wife and mother in law were, the wife said no but had to leave the house, billy's suckup nerd friends went back when the wife and steve weren't there and bullshitted their way past the mother in law to get into steve's house, they should have been charged with trespassing,property damage and for being pathetic virgin nerds or at the very least have their asses kicked, everyone involved in the classic arcade gaming community is billy's friend, suckup and nerd scumbag loser follower
Yea, just saw Billy was a cheater. Watched King of Kong for first time just a couple mins ago. Was CRAZY that Steve had top do it live then Billy sent in a video. Like, HELLO, in what world is that fair!?
Jeff Cockmann no he didn't a guy did it before him in the 80's and even he wasn't the first one to get a perfect game on Pac-Man someone else did it years before and the worst part Twin Galaxies and Walter Day knew Billy wasn't the first.
I hope they do a sequel Two machines Both authenticated by TWIN GALAXIES Cameras or capture cards recording the entire game. And Billy being ousted by Steve.. Fuck you Billy Mitchell.
So Steve's recording is clearly from a camera and Billy's is a VCR recording. They made a big deal about the source of Steve's arcade board and if it was modified, but no mention of how Billy recorded his machine? As far as i know, these machines do not have a composite video output for direct connection to a normal VCR or TV set.
Randy Smith They went out of their way to disprove/give Steve a hard time because Billy was financially supporting them. Twin galaxies and Billy are frauds.
Steve challenged billy in person steve set the highest score in public at funland game donkey kong, billy never showed up... billy still the fool in reality with that game. Sad steve is not highlighted
Steves original machine was indeed modified. Not excusing TG but the documentary left that out. He had a mod on it that saves high scores, and no mods are allowed.
Just watched King of Kong, and my question is: how did billy record this? You can see the reflection from the screen in Wiebe's video, and it's also shot at a bit of an angle; so it's obvious he's at a machine playing the game. Billy's looks like it was recorded straight from a TV or something--there's no angle or screen reflection. How did he do that?
i dont understand why billys video is acceptable when the whole left side of the screen shakes every couple hundred thousand points its such bullshit it shoulda been thrown in the trash
FRANKIE TRUTH his lawyer friend steve sanders met billy by lying about his scores. he may have mastered pac man bur silly bitchell has zero live proof that he ever got 800k on donkey kong. thank roy shildt for being in steve wiebe's corner.
Look at closely at 3:39 and 3:41 closely on the "Rivet Board" stage. At 3:39 when Billy wins, the girders go to the bottom without any falling animation. I am not a expert in this, but from what I understand this is a known M.A.M.E. artifact. At 3:41 when Steve wins, there is a frame showing the girders falling, which is how the origional arcade hardware worked. To find this means going back and forth several times using TH-cam's controls or downloading it and going over it on a player that has frame-by-frame advance.
Unfortunately he got away with it for many many years. The fame, money (and woman I assume.). He also owns a successful restaurant chain. So I think the lesson here kids is, that if you bully, lie and cheat you too can end on the top in your field. You also need a sniveling army of people to do your bidding.
come on mate do you really think a dickhead like billy that loves himself way more than he could love a woman is getting laid thanks to his (now purged) gaming records?
I can't understand why Billy sent such a questionable tape to show his highest score. It made him look really bad in my opinion. Made it look like he cheated.
@@EMW_Music no he didnt. steve weibe confirmed himself that the tape was fine. mitchell didnt cheat in the movie, he might have cheated after the movie but all his records have bee reinstated by guinness. there is only one video where he probably cheated and that was years after the film
@@tempestsquall5882 at the end of the day most of his records were real. Nobody has disputed most of them. Hi records should never have been removed in the first place. If you ignore a record that is known to be real, the person who is given the record because mitchells is scratched is a fake record holder. They will not feel any pride. its actually disrespectful to them
That's because Mitchell's screen is captured directly and transferred to video tape (so the authenticity of the run cannot even be confirmed) while Wiebe's is filmed directly off the arcade machine and done live in with witnesses present.
on the right we have Steve Weibe's playing of Donkey Kong on actual arcade hardware. on the left we have Billy Mitchell's playing of Donkey Kong on MAME.
Following all this Billy cheating on MAME, you can see a clear difference between the two in this video. The left appears so polished or as it can be, and the one on the right looks so rough that it has to be authentic. I am not sure why no one did not notice this far earlier.
Hey guys, don't you recognize me? I'm Shawne Vinson from Sacramento, California, and I'm the famous champion gamer and world record holder, when I was on Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition. And I just won a video game tournament 36 times in a row. Even I already know and Billy Mitchell, Stevie Webie, and Walter Day, when I was at the video game award ceremony too.
Every time Billy's videotape blurrs it reminds me of that movie Speed where the tape was looped and the villain didn't realize it for a few hours and got tricked. I guess that Billy Mitchell played fair on that tape because cheating would build a huge guilt he would have to carry for the rest of the life but it was kinda sick when Steve beat the record on display and Billy delivered that tape claiming an even bigger record and Steve wasn't even allowed to watch it himself. But it doesn't matter anymore, because Steve now holds both records for display and tape highscore, combined with his many other skills and family dedication makes him a truly good person.
_> I dont know anything about DK or how arcade games work but even I can clearly understand that the blinking 1UP should flash at the same speed on both screens.
Just looked up the current record out of curiosity. Wiebe's highest score is 1700 above Michell's, and they both last submitted scores in 2010. However, they are currently ranked 11th and 12th, and the no 1 high score is 1,218,000 points by Wes Copeland last year.
Just watched this.... Anyone ever noticed on the river board where the bonus is counting down... It's about even but near the end Billy's was 2-3 sec faster than Steve's....
i just wanted to point out the fact that the constant bonus is a clock talk, and the you can't just hang around and get points, billy mitchell did at the very beginning, the bonus hits 000 and he still gets 100 points for jumping over barrels before climbing up the ladder. jumps over 2 barrels actually, gets points while the bonus reads 000.
Well @ 6:03 I was interested in hearing that one dude talk about how Billy was hanging out behind the barrel, but then the other dude just straight up interrupted him and talked over him with "kill screen... dead". Duuuuuur, really? Didn't know that was the kill screen there buddy. Thanks!
Notice the "Bonus" counter at the top right? It will count down to 0, then you die. If you complete the level before that, it will award you those points.
Actually the comment of the top where you can jump and jump for 100 points at a time is standing 1 pixel away from DK and jump and jump I do it all the time.
Anyone else noticing them pausing alot while talking? I can't tell if this is edited weird or if that's just their speech pattern but it's really weird to hear.
Billy seams to be getting an unnatural number of 800 point blue barrel and firefox smashes during this game. He must be really lucky M.A.M.E. save states.
one of the best documentary's...its amazing how different these guys are...Steve is this stand up guy seems like a genuinely person and then you have Billy who is one of the most unlikeable people ever
+Vontrell Fuller no he made himself look bad...wether that was intentional or not who knows...but that little world of groupies and attitudes seems authentic.
WTF? 22 screens before kill screen? There are many more than that. Level 1 has 2 screens. After that, 1 screen is added at each level, so level 2 has 3 screens, 3 has 4, 4 has 5, 5 has 6. Thats 20 screens before level 6, after which every level has 6 screens. kill screen is at LEVEL 22. From level 6 to 21 = 96 screens + 20 from levels 1-5 = 116 screens. I don't know which screen on level 22 is the kill screen, but anywhere from 117 to 122. maybe they meant 22 levels.
You can clearly tell billy was cheating and using save states. That's why the tape keeps glitching out because he spliced footage together. How did OFFICIAL JUDGES not see that?
It helps that Billy was proven to use MAME and utilize save states which is why he plays way more risky than seasoned Donkey Kong players. Go figure...
owh so if i play liekt hat i will get many point would u believe me i got 150 600 point on level 1 because i am a newbie at the game and i dont know what to do and i jump jump over many barrell and finally i know that i must get to the queen and when i finishes all of the lvl i got 4 488 910 point
they look completley different...im no expert but to me it looks obvious that the game on the right is genuine and the one on the left looks like mame!
Anyone else here after billy got exposed as a cheater?
Yup. Fuck that guy.
Clint Holmes agreed - fuck that douchebag
Champloos hear hear!
Piece of shit mitchell
Todd Rogers
steve wiebe sends in tape of world record...guys come and take apart his machine. Billy Mitchell sends in tape of world record...posted on website 10 min later. Steve is the real champ here
+Zero91Hero word
+Matthew Jones Yeah...it was ridiculous when I watched the documentary on it. They all kiss Mitchell's ass.
why did his machine get taken apart???
tedddy....how is steve supposed to know that? all he knew was the game, he wasn't involved with the other gamers or their nerd community for decades like those other losers were, it's not his job to research other players when billy is officially recognized by twin galaxies
zax al ghul....in the documentary steve was not home, but his wife and mother in law were, the wife said no but had to leave the house, billy's suckup nerd friends went back when the wife and steve weren't there and bullshitted their way past the mother in law to get into steve's house, they should have been charged with trespassing,property damage and for being pathetic virgin nerds or at the very least have their asses kicked, everyone involved in the classic arcade gaming community is billy's friend, suckup and nerd scumbag loser follower
There's a potential Donkey Kong kill screen if anyone's interested.
pinoi78 Woah, double kill screen even! lol
Hey Todd
That dude was a jackass
Gee thanks Brian.
Billy erased from Twin Galaxies like he never existed... Thank god.
Now if only the same can be said of twin galaxies.
@@clintholmes2061 It was bought out, so those original guys are gone.
Yea, just saw Billy was a cheater. Watched King of Kong for first time just a couple mins ago. Was CRAZY that Steve had top do it live then Billy sent in a video. Like, HELLO, in what world is that fair!?
Jeff Cockmann Billy was not the first guy to get a perfect pac man game he was 3rd one to do it 2 other guys did it years before him
@Malfice Skye
I thought that it wasn't about the perfect score, it was about Billy being the 1st to get to the kill screen?
That's been debunked. There is a video on TH-cam showing a letter to him that acknowledged that he was a member of the perfect score alumni.
Jeff Cockmann no he didn't a guy did it before him in the 80's and even he wasn't the first one to get a perfect game on Pac-Man someone else did it years before and the worst part Twin Galaxies and Walter Day knew Billy wasn't the first.
I don't I only know about the two who did before Billy
billy seems like a cheating jock to me. that video glitch on a vhs tape is just sad.
ehafh and five years later, your suspicions have been confirmed
ehafh
you nailed it bud, to words; MAME... actually was one word
you where right this whole time
Nice call lol
Except he is a total dork and not a jock at all...now jock itch on the other hand...
steve wiebe is the real king of kong
not any moooooore
always will be the O.G
It was a movie dude. A good one, but a narrated story. Get real!
I hope they do a sequel
Two machines
Both authenticated by TWIN GALAXIES
Cameras or capture cards recording the entire game.
And Billy being ousted by Steve..
Fuck you Billy Mitchell.
not until he clears the kill screen like I have
steve wiebe will always be a true champ. you can see that billy mitchell hacked it. how can it possibly be verified? thumbs up if you agree.
kitty huskymeow
I VERY agree
So Steve's recording is clearly from a camera and Billy's is a VCR recording. They made a big deal about the source of Steve's arcade board and if it was modified, but no mention of how Billy recorded his machine? As far as i know, these machines do not have a composite video output for direct connection to a normal VCR or TV set.
That's because Bitchell used MAME, which you CAN output to a video tape (and splice the tape to edit any imperfections in your run)
Randy Smith They went out of their way to disprove/give Steve a hard time because Billy was financially supporting them. Twin galaxies and Billy are frauds.
Steve challenged billy in person steve set the highest score in public at funland game donkey kong, billy never showed up... billy still the fool in reality with that game. Sad steve is not highlighted
Steves original machine was indeed modified. Not excusing TG but the documentary left that out. He had a mod on it that saves high scores, and no mods are allowed.
Just watched King of Kong, and my question is: how did billy record this? You can see the reflection from the screen in Wiebe's video, and it's also shot at a bit of an angle; so it's obvious he's at a machine playing the game. Billy's looks like it was recorded straight from a TV or something--there's no angle or screen reflection. How did he do that?
+kdub33 Capture card or hooked a VCR up to the video feed to the screen.
it was a doctored tape anyway
Billy use an emulator called MAME, every one now knows he cheated.
MAME screen record.
Billy's screen sure flickers a lot
xtlm
That'll be likely due to splicing
Rex Apis
also MAME-ing
i dont understand why billys video is acceptable when the whole left side of the screen shakes every couple hundred thousand points its such bullshit it shoulda been thrown in the trash
As someone who used to record a lot of stuff on VCR tapes that was quite common. I doubt it's a sign of Billy cheating.
What, you think he cheated just 'cause the video distorts a bit? What kind of underhanded manipulation would he be doing that would cause that?
furrykef he's probably a kid who doesn't know what VHS tapes are
furrykef he's probably a kid who doesn't know what VHS tapes are
FRANKIE TRUTH his lawyer friend steve sanders met billy by lying about his scores. he may have mastered pac man bur silly bitchell has zero live proof that he ever got 800k on donkey kong.
thank roy shildt for being in steve wiebe's corner.
Look at closely at 3:39 and 3:41 closely on the "Rivet Board" stage. At 3:39 when Billy wins, the girders go to the bottom without any falling animation. I am not a expert in this, but from what I understand this is a known M.A.M.E. artifact. At 3:41 when Steve wins, there is a frame showing the girders falling, which is how the origional arcade hardware worked. To find this means going back and forth several times using TH-cam's controls or downloading it and going over it on a player that has frame-by-frame advance.
Don't be a Billy Mitchell kids
THULL
REALLY don't
Unfortunately he got away with it for many many years. The fame, money (and woman I assume.). He also owns a successful restaurant chain. So I think the lesson here kids is, that if you bully, lie and cheat you too can end on the top in your field. You also need a sniveling army of people to do your bidding.
come on mate do you really think a dickhead like billy that loves himself way more than he could love a woman is getting laid thanks to his (now purged) gaming records?
I can't understand why Billy sent such a questionable tape to show his highest score. It made him look really bad in my opinion. Made it look like he cheated.
zigzagbigbag 🤣 he did cheat, he was just exposed
@@EMW_Music no he didnt. steve weibe confirmed himself that the tape was fine. mitchell didnt cheat in the movie, he might have cheated after the movie but all his records have bee reinstated by guinness. there is only one video where he probably cheated and that was years after the film
@@Captain_Rhodes yes he did
@@Captain_Rhodes he got reinstated because he threatened to sue Guinness, forcing them in submission to do so.
@@tempestsquall5882 at the end of the day most of his records were real. Nobody has disputed most of them. Hi records should never have been removed in the first place. If you ignore a record that is known to be real, the person who is given the record because mitchells is scratched is a fake record holder. They will not feel any pride. its actually disrespectful to them
Wiebe's screen not being captured as well as Mitchell's really bugs me lol
That's because Mitchell's screen is captured directly and transferred to video tape (so the authenticity of the run cannot even be confirmed) while Wiebe's is filmed directly off the arcade machine and done live in with witnesses present.
Ingen Ting mmmm
They're both awesome and they have different styles, that's the beauty of it.
Rabbit in Red boy he cheated
John Smith you're replying to a comment that was made 2 years ago
Billy chested. Steve is the real champion
on the right we have Steve Weibe's playing of Donkey Kong on actual arcade hardware. on the left we have Billy Mitchell's playing of Donkey Kong on MAME.
But they had to check Steve's arcade cabinet to see if he was playing Mame *"which is false"* while Billy got off scot free.
That and Billy accused Steve of cheating thanks to the envelope they found with Mr.Awesome's address on it
Following all this Billy cheating on MAME, you can see a clear difference between the two in this video. The left appears so polished or as it can be, and the one on the right looks so rough that it has to be authentic. I am not sure why no one did not notice this far earlier.
Mark Norville one is a direct feed. Other is a video of the arcade box. Just to address that point
Hey guys, don't you recognize me? I'm Shawne Vinson from Sacramento, California, and I'm the famous champion gamer and world record holder, when I was on Guinness World Records Gamer's Edition.
And I just won a video game tournament 36 times in a row.
Even I already know and Billy Mitchell, Stevie Webie, and Walter Day, when I was at the video game award ceremony too.
Every time Billy's videotape blurrs it reminds me of that movie Speed where the tape was looped and the villain didn't realize it for a few hours and got tricked.
I guess that Billy Mitchell played fair on that tape because cheating would build a huge guilt he would have to carry for the rest of the life but it was kinda sick when Steve beat the record on display and Billy delivered that tape claiming an even bigger record and Steve wasn't even allowed to watch it himself. But it doesn't matter anymore, because Steve now holds both records for display and tape highscore, combined with his many other skills and family dedication makes him a truly good person.
Billy Mitchell was using save states on MAME.
At 3:41 even in this video you can actually catch the frame where the girders make the signature arcade ladder on Steve's screen
Steve's run is definitely legit.
It's pretty funny the length Billy went to doctor his video, even with fake static.
Hammering pies is always worthwhile.
Anyone know if there’s a potential kill screen coming up?
_> I dont know anything about DK or how arcade games work but even I can clearly understand that the blinking 1UP should flash at the same speed on both screens.
@BOMBhollywood Well, the damned tape is at least 20 years old; he was sitting on it in case he ever needed it.
Actually a pretty awesome movie.
And to this day no one wil know why I wasted 6 minutes of my life watching this
hahahahahhahahha
because your a score junky
Just looked up the current record out of curiosity. Wiebe's highest score is 1700 above Michell's, and they both last submitted scores in 2010. However, they are currently ranked 11th and 12th, and the no 1 high score is 1,218,000 points by Wes Copeland last year.
Just watched this....
Anyone ever noticed on the river board where the bonus is counting down... It's about even but near the end Billy's was 2-3 sec faster than Steve's....
I respect Billy for his past scores but Steve is a better player now.
Tim Crawford do you still respect him?
"Let's do commentary for this movie about Konkey Dong." "I think it's 'Donkey Kong'." "Whatev just press record."
Looking at this footage i can hardly can believe that billy mitchell became a scalper.
YEAH THAT WAS THE FAKE TAPE BY BILLY! BILLY IS A SNAKE. STEVE ID THE BEST
Billy use an emulator called MAME, every one now knows he cheated.
sdf234zsre2354awre3raswer3awrswr3awrwerasf3gfghdy your replying to a comment that's over 2000 days old lol
bubbles bubbles this dude knew the truth 7 years ago
bubbles bubbles Manz was right.
Billy was caught using an emulator, so his gameplay footage is null and void.
i just wanted to point out the fact that the constant bonus is a clock talk, and the you can't just hang around and get points, billy mitchell did at the very beginning, the bonus hits 000 and he still gets 100 points for jumping over barrels before climbing up the ladder. jumps over 2 barrels actually, gets points while the bonus reads 000.
did billy mitchell uses MAME by any chance in his video tape? Or do you think he used a actual DK cabinet?
Called it. Billy confirmed cheater!
AndrewAT15 haha omg
correct me if im wrong, unless arcades back then had some sort of video output, how would have billy recorded it?
All of Billy Mitchell's records were expunged.
Steve- King of Kong
Billy -King of Con
Well @ 6:03 I was interested in hearing that one dude talk about how Billy was hanging out behind the barrel, but then the other dude just straight up interrupted him and talked over him with "kill screen... dead". Duuuuuur, really? Didn't know that was the kill screen there buddy. Thanks!
Why the quality of those recordings are different?
Billy's screen sure does flicker a lot. Sure looks different too....
I don't remember Kuh every saying he got a killscreen before at Funspot before Wiebe did.
Well, this certainly aged like milk.
What's keeping someone from jumping barrels all day on the first screen until they hit a million?
Notice the "Bonus" counter at the top right? It will count down to 0, then you die. If you complete the level before that, it will award you those points.
Amazing documentary
Something weird happens in Billy's game when fire is about to catch Mario (2 min 31 seconds)?
Do you think that's Wiebe playing drums in the background?
‘These guys both go up and down ladders’. Fucking brilliant commentary.
Actually the comment of the top where you can jump and jump for 100 points at a time is standing 1 pixel away from DK and jump and jump I do it all the time.
Anyone else noticing them pausing alot while talking? I can't tell if this is edited weird or if that's just their speech pattern but it's really weird to hear.
Amazing video. thanks!
so why didn't Mitchell also start jumping right besides Donkey Kong on the second board like Steve?
Billy using MAME is so obvious, high score is 7650 wich is the defaul high score when one starts in an emulated King Kong
To be fair, 7650's on both of their score screens.
how does Billy get to play after the counter is on 000?
you don't die when it drops to 000. You die after a few seconds when it tries to go to -100. He's milking it until literally the last possible second.
Billy seams to be getting an unnatural number of 800 point blue barrel and firefox smashes during this game. He must be really lucky M.A.M.E. save states.
. Why is Mitchell's screen always glitching?
The tape was trash annnd he used Mame
why didn't hey jump to the right after climbing to the first ladder?
thus they was be able to get past the kill screen!
why are the grafx different between the two games?
2:57 WHATTTTTT
Is that Luke from Linus tech tips Narrating
is using the nes classic a legit way to do a record?
MAME
You realize Hank Chien is a surgeon, right? But you know, it's not like he's busy with that or anything.
Hammering pies is ALWAYS worthwhile.
is this MAME vs Arcade?
It's "clocking", not "flipping".
Billy the proven MAMEr
Notice alll the weird fuzzy screen interuptions on billys game ... sorry not sure what they call this.... splicing? Lol
Billy the MEME KING.
5:52 why billy gone to left instead of grabbing the 700 points?
one of the best documentary's...its amazing how different these guys are...Steve is this stand up guy seems like a genuinely person and then you have Billy who is one of the most unlikeable people ever
ryublueblanka the movie made him look bad they needed a villain
+Vontrell Fuller no he made himself look bad...wether that was intentional or not who knows...but that little world of groupies and attitudes seems authentic.
ryublueblanka
He's exposed now, he in fact cheated
You forgot he’s a fuckin cheater
You also NEVER actually see Billy play ANY Donkey Kong... EVER.
"These guys both go up and down ladders"
WTF? 22 screens before kill screen? There are many more than that. Level 1 has 2 screens. After that, 1 screen is added at each level, so level 2 has 3 screens, 3 has 4, 4 has 5, 5 has 6. Thats 20 screens before level 6, after which every level has 6 screens. kill screen is at LEVEL 22. From level 6 to 21 = 96 screens + 20 from levels 1-5 = 116 screens. I don't know which screen on level 22 is the kill screen, but anywhere from 117 to 122. maybe they meant 22 levels.
This seemed like an interesting video until 13 seconds in when you realize the annoying narrators have never played this game before.
Sounds like one was Steve Sanders. He's almost broke 400k on this I believe, the guy who first faked a high score of 3 million.
Lol half the the stuff they say is wrong but at least they seem confident
You can clearly tell billy was cheating and using save states. That's why the tape keeps glitching out because he spliced footage together. How did OFFICIAL JUDGES not see that?
Dear viewers! On the right: Arcade DK, on the left: MAME savestate game. Have fun!
One of these "machines" is not like the other. One of these "machines" is MAME.
It helps that Billy was proven to use MAME and utilize save states which is why he plays way more risky than seasoned Donkey Kong players. Go figure...
Billy "MAME" Mitchell
Is everybody saying Steve's name wrong?
It's actually pronounced "Steve", not "Steve"
Who else is here after Billy's aftermath of his scores' erasure and ban?
Shortly after people exposing the fake champion, Twin Galaxies noticed the complaint and Ditched the Mitch by removing ALL of his high scores.
Steve is the real champ here
does billy mitchell play modern games like smash bros
He would probably eat ass at them.
+goddessmodel He'd be out of his element. Those games are a million times tougher.
Notice how Billy masterfully uses mame for extra credits hahahhahahahha
yeah ok, whatever you say buddy -__- *rolls eyes*
Steve is a gent, but anyone who can play DK to this level is ridic.
Do you acctaully know billy?
Steve Wiebe for life.
they need to try galaga arcade version or 1942 arcade that would be cool
One plays on a cabinet and the other places on MAME
The one on the left is MAME and the one on the right is an actual arcade LOL
owh so if i play liekt hat i will get many point would u believe me i got 150 600 point on level 1 because i am a newbie at the game and i dont know what to do and i jump jump over many barrell and finally i know that i must get to the queen and when i finishes all of the lvl i got 4 488 910 point
they look completley different...im no expert but to me it looks obvious that the game on the right is genuine and the one on the left looks like mame!
There's a potential career kill screen, if anybody is interested.