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Thank you for this video. I'm looking into Orthodoxy. Can you tell me why at the 44:10 mark (the antiphone) there is an eye inside a triangle in the EO church? This seem very similar to some not-so-good esoteric symbols. Did the Christian use of this symbol pre-date the pagan and free-mason usage or did they steal it from us? Or is this a late renaissance development that may not be a great thing to have in Churches? Thanks.
@@nathanhornok The use of the all-seeing eye does, to my knowledge, pre-date its appropriation by freemasonic lodges. However, as I understand, free-masons were historically at some point literally masons or had that kind of backdrop. So it wouldn't surprise me if some masons had built churches and incorporated these symbols. I have seen a few like this and did not notice that until you pointed it out.
“For all the Protestants who are listening, you must know that what we will be presenting here is also your heritage, should you choose to accept it.” ~Lewis
I second the above question. My fathers family is Jewish so I grew up with quite a lot of Jewish influence myself and it played a huge role in my journey to eventually becoming Orthodox after a 20 year journey toward the True faith
Absolutely brilliant work! My wife, daughter, and I are all going to be catechized this coming Sunday; it almost brings me to tears just thinking about being received into the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Faith. Christ has truly showered his mercy upon me. ☦️
I really hope and pray there's more Orthodox outreach to the Messianic and Hebrew Roots community. Orthodoxy has what they're looking for they just don't know it.
I couldn’t agree more with this! I spent 3 years as a practicing Hebrew roots believer before I became orthodox and I was yearning to find the New Testament church and go back to its “Hebrew roots” When it was preserved perfectly in the Orthodox Church but fulfilled in Christ! It was the evidence in this video and the plethora of other evidences in favour of Orthodoxy that I couldn’t refute and ignore. God smacked me in the face so hard and humbled my heart that I got on my knees repenting for being a judaizer when all along this is what i was looking for! Becoming orthodox was the most Jewish or Hebraic thing I could have done as a believer in Christ. I have since met a few other former hebrew rooters who have become Orthodox. In fact it was a few former hebrew rooters who are now orthodox who educated me on Orthodoxy whilst I was still in Hebrew roots and by the grace of God himself I was guided to the undeniable truth and couldn’t run from The Hebrew roots fast enough. Moving from a counterfeit of the early church to the actual living continuing early church was the greatest thing that’s ever happened to me. And I pray I can reach out to other messianics and Hebrew rooters and also help them
@@Ananias17 can you give some links to other resources or communities of former Hebrew Roots? My father has been deep into it for 5-6 years now. I never know how to approach him. He writes Orthodoxy off as paganized Christianity.
@@01ombladon Si eu ma bucur. Nu prea am gasit calitate pe canalele romanesti din pacate.(cred ca ii stii pe "Cristian Crestin Ortodox'' si pe ''Viorel Ghica'', debiteaza doar aberatii pe canalele lor)
@@adytzu9797 tocmai pentru asta nu ii știu, am văzut că unul e cu ,,nepomenitorii", dar conținut apologetic de calitate nu avem în română decât sporadic in unele predici
The point about the cherubim and the altar at 33:45 is brilliant and shows perfect continuity and the 7 candle lampstand and Exodus 25:31-40. This is so well done.
@Bot are you Blammit? Well maybe the Baptist church you attended let you down in some way? But please do not use this situation to make the mistake of accepting false doctrine. Praying to Mary like she is God is heresy. She cannot hear you because she is not a divine being plain and simple. God alone is worthy of all praise. Any time you spend praising Mary (blessed as she is) is time not praising the Father.
@Bot are you Blammit? there is a difference. If I ask someone to pray, they can hear me. If I ask the dead in Christ to pray, they cannot hear me. Why? Because they are not a divine being. They are not omnipresent - ie they do not have the ability to hear thousands of prayers at the same time. Only God can do this. Also, communication with the dead is outright banned. It is called necromancy. King Saul did it in the Old Testament. I suggest you read that part. Very serious. It it better to trust and obey what the Father tells us in His written Word. I am praying for you. May God bless you.
@Bot are you Blammit? I will still pray for you despite your misrepresentation of me and my motives. Jesus gave us the promised councillor - the Holy Spirit that will lead us into all truth. I will follow Him. If you think that people become all seeing and all hearing deities when they pass from this world, that is your choice. Your fruit is on display. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. We will worship Him in spirit an in Truth. Nothing can remove me from the loving hands of my Saviour Jesus. God bless you.
@Bot are you Blammit? that word means summoning the dead. You might be thinking of another word that I will not type that means disgusting and inappropriate actions with dead bodies. I did not use that word or mean that foul act. I would however like to know how those that are dead in Christ can hear thousands of prayers at the same time. If you say they are not deities how is it possible?
I thoroughly enjoyed your presentation! The connections and similarities between early Church worship and Hebrew worship make total sense to me, personally. Thanks for the educational video!
@@OrthodoxShahada I did so many interviews with him and didn’t record them all. One I did inside the church and he explained the symbolism, icons, etc. Yea I think it’s interesting. 🙏🏽🙏🏽Thanks man.
The importance of the liturgy cannot be understated... the fact that the ancient Christians looked to the traditional liturgical readings throughout the year when selecting which books were canon should be enough to get the point across to modern "bible believing" Christians who reject "traditions of men"... it was literally tradition that formed the Bible...
@@tynytian You're right, of course, but it's tough to get folks beyond just the Bible. No one ever responds to my point that the Bible is not the issue - it's the interpretation that is the problem. I was once a Fuller Seminary M.Div. Evangelical who accepted the inevitability of big differences as part of the religious scenery. Now I'm a member of a parish where the clergy and most of the adults are converts. It's much easier to see the logic of Orthodoxy once you've become open to it. It's almost a second conversion experience.
@@richardmohr9428 Amen to that. I have lots of protestant family who have questions for me, and an ex-wife who thinks that traditional Christianity is hocus-pocus.
@@tynytian See if they can go to Presanctified with you and Holy Week services. Pascha is glorious, even when we have to take a break and sit down! If you haven't already, get a copy of Metropolitan Kallistos Ware's "The Orthodox Church" that you can share with people. That was an important book for me. The first couple or three chapters of "The Shape of the Liturgy" by Dom Gregory Dix (referenced in the video) are also eye-opening, as far as the existence of the Liturgy and the Eucharist from the very beginning. You'd think that 1 Corinthians 10 obviously reflects the Eucharistic teaching that St. Paul received as a catechumen but most Protestants are reluctant to concede that. Just think - St. Paul was once a catechumen! What do your Protestant family members think he learned from the Christians at that time? Premillennialism and the Rapture? That stuff was 1800 years in the future.
Wow that was mind 🎳.Thank you for all the work you did to put that together.I found the part on the feast days quite interesting and it reminded me of somthing I read I beleive it was from Edershheim on Christmas being the fullfilment of the dedication of the temple who of course was Our Lord Jesus Christ.I would love to hear your thoughts on that and any other christian holidays.
I would recommend one of many lectures from 'search the scriptures' exodus lecture 7 by Jeannie Constantinou. She goes through the feast day of the Passover meal, and how it is continued and fulfilled in the Orthodox Church. Just one more example of continuity and fulfillment.
Muslims just stole the idea of prostrations from Eastern Orthodoxy, they think they own that practice when the Eastern church was doing that centuries before them.
This is similar to Brant Pitre's books: 'Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist: Unlocking the Secrets of the Last Supper' and ' Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary: Unveiling the Mother of the Messiah'
As the sermon on mount was an extension of the law and the Prophets, so to The Orthodox Church Worship is an extension of the Old Testament Temple and synagogues Worship and has Been past down to us by Holy Tradition and been kept the some since the Apostolic times.
Great video Qai! Thank you so much for upoading this! Being interested in other religions, I spent a couple of years checking out Islam. I don’t know how converts to Islam see any continuity with Judaism and later, Orthodox Christianity. In fact, the difference is actually jarring. When I go into an Orthodox Temple, I can see a continuity with the Temple in Jerusalem. Even a synagogue looks fairly similar. And the snippets of services in a Synagogue you present are in many ways, an echo of our services. On the other hand, when I go into a mosque, for me, it is cold. All you have is the qibla-niche. No icons, no Royal Doors-nothing. I walk into an Orthodox Temple, it’s like a foretaste of heaven. I really cannot see what causes people to convert to Islam. There is no “there” there. I’ve never been to a Muslim service, but something tells me that I wouldn’t like it. In short, there is no comparison between Islamic worship and the richness and beauty of the Orthodox Divine Liturgy. In addition, there is certainly no continuity in Islamic worship with the worship in the Temple or our Orthodox worship. Thank you for pointing out that some Orthodox churches still ask non-Orthodox to leave after the Liturgy of the Catechumens. I attended a church that had maintained the custom in the 1970s. I dealt with it just fine. Once I’d been properly baptised and chrismated, I could stay.
I really don't get it, either. In spite of my garb, I am Orthodox and I don't know, especially, how Orthodox fall for this. The divinity of Christ and the Holy Trinity (they profess neither, of course ) are total non-starters for me. No Mother of God, Angels and Saints, either. And then they pretty much curse monasticism, which, again is another non-starter. I've been in monastic life for 40 years now and even though I'm great sinner, I hope Allah (since Allah is God in Arabic) will keep me strong in my faith and monastic life. Also, the Muslim Allah seems very remote and abstract compared to our Allah. And then they pretty much believe in predestination. If I wanted that, I'd be a Calvinist! Our relationship with our Allah, Lord Jesus, His Holy Mother, the Angels and Saints can be very warm, up close and personal. I consider a masjid to be beautiful, yet cold (my parents I visited several whilst on the Christian Hajj back in 1962). I mean, just a niche to show which direction is Makkah?! Orthodox Churches are so much warmer and more welcoming. I also attended a parish where Catechumens were asked to leave after the Liturgy of the Catechumens was concluded (old ROCOR parish back in the 70s). But it was only for a few weeks until I was baptised--on the Feast of St. Herman of Alaska, no less. I like when that is done because it keeps us in touch with our early days, when Liturgy had to be very hush-hush. We need to remember that time and be grateful that those days are gone.
Outstanding work! This will serve as a valuable resource. I must say however, that is quite an uncharitable clip of Roosh that you used; If you listen to the rest, he ended up humbling himself and it turned into a very beautiful story.
@@OrthodoxShahada lol, ok, I mean, I get that... Nobody here is angry. I'm just saying, it could very easily cast a particular light on him if somebody who's new to orthodoxy just stumbled on this... Like, if that was their first given impression of him. Ya know?
@@OrthodoxShahada Fair enough. "Humorous" could also just as easily mean that you were looking fun at his situation too... That's all. It was just a mild critique in any case, and my only one. As stated already, you're doing fantastic work with this channel... Keep it up
What's the chanting called on 1:17:34? I know that's sung every time the altar boys and priests + deacons go to the Bishop's throne, and the Bishop and all clergies (including altar boys) walk back into the iconostasis
God bless Louis Bouliers who was quoted in this video, and God bless Orthodox Shahada and all involved in bringing this information to be available so I could see and hear it. I am blessed by this , and give glory to God.
Welcome to the narrow path! Pick up your cross and follow our Lord Jesus Christ. May the Holy Spirit with the intercession of the Virgin Theotokos be with you both! ☦️
brilliant presentation, really first rate, the table at the end does show a lack of appreciation for reformed Christians as a whole, who do truly believe GOD is present when they pray (they believe in the real presence of the Holy Spirit, and they do believe in sacrificial atonement, as done by Christ, so apart from that little bit of misunderstanding, an excellent video of the first order.
Hi Bob, thanks for your feedback. I think you may be mistaking the belief in a sacrificial atonement per se with the existence of a priesthood and a ministered sacrifice on an altar - which was why there was a question mark since there is such diversity among protestants. Looking back I think I should have put a green tick in the presence of God box for all reformed.
Can you debunk Pentecostalism? I’m interested in converting into orthodoxy and I wanna know what the early church fathers think about its teachings. Thanks!
I'm a former Pentecostal. Read Fr. Seraphim Rose's book "Orthodoxy & the Religion of the Future". It may upset you. I was really upset by it when I read it as a Pentecostal, but I'm Orthodox now.
He put question marks on them because there is no ONE representation of Protestantism because they have no normative authority. I also was protestant for many years as well.
Early Christians celebrated Sunday as the "eighth day" to signify that the resurrection of Jesus Christ began a new creation from God. They believed that the resurrection and ascension of Christ renewed creation, similar to the first day of creation when God made light.
Ritual hand washing is used in the synagogue of today to wash the hands of the priests (cohenim) before they bless the congregation. Also ordinary Jews perform a ritual hand washing and say a blessing before eating bread
@@Gruenders There is both a shift and a remembrance of the Sabbath as I understand. I hope to get Fr. Stephen De Young on eventually to talk about all this stuff.
@@OrthodoxShahada I’m getting push back on the Sabbath question from some of my Messianic Jew/Hebrew Roots friends. So it would be good to learn more about it.
@Salme9540 thanks for this. So I noticed the link said that Saturday is still the Sabbath to the Orthodox while Sunday is when the Orthodox worship. Does that mean that the Orthodox should still observe rest on Saturday?
Excellent video. Thank you for your work!! In regards to the referenced and linked Thomas Newberry Architectural Model of King Solomon’s Temple, what are your thoughts on the domed design? Most renditions are flat roofed and I don't believe there is mention of a domed roof in the scriptural account of the architectural details. Do you know if the domed roof is actually more accurate and known by oral tradition?
Revelation 22:14 King James Version 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Jews still practice "restricted access"... only priests (cohanim) can bless the congregation, and priests have priority over others in certain rituals, for example the first one called to read the Torah must be a priest
The end assessment of Protestant continuity is a bit unfair I think even though I see the point. Protestant Theology when properly articulated emphasizes the continuity but almost everything is “spiritual” only. I think it goes too far to discard almost all symbolism and typology. It definitely shows in how many view the faith as basically an intellectual pursuit of God very detached from the “real world”. I’m saying this as a lifelong Protestant inquiring into Orthodoxy.
I question why the types that pointed to Christ are carried over into the Christian church though? I thought types were completed at the destruction of the temple in 70AD?? Also He said the WORDS I speak unto you are spirit and they are life…correct?
You seem to be confused between the Temple and synagogues. The descriptions of early Christian worship you read were in synagogues / churches. Nothing in the description indicates they took place in the Temple. There is no evidence that Christian worship of any sort ever occurred in the Temple
There is absolutely no textual support that every sacrifice was "to atone for sin". That concept was invented by Christianity out of whole cloth, to support Christian theology of atonement. It doesn't even make sense. What sin were Cain and Abel's sacrifice atoning for? And how does it make sense that there is a particular sacrifice in Leviticus known as the "sin offering"? The vast majority of Old Testment (Jewish) sacrifice has nothing to do with sin or atonement. It is simply a form of worship. That fact poses a big problem for Christian theology, since they propose that they are a replacement for the sacrifices, and that a replacement is desperately needed, since sacrifices are "the only atonement for sin". The fact that sacrifices were not essential in any way begs the question of why the Christian concept of atonement is needed at all.
@@karas3248 If I'm not mistaken the normative Liturgy is the Liturgy of St. Basil in the Coptic and perhaps other Oriental churches, yes? The Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is very similar with a few differences. We have the Liturgy of St. Basil on his Feast day (1 Jan. New Calendar/14 Jan. Old Calendar) and during Great Lent!
It is not, I used to be Protetsant for many years. Again there are some protestant denominations that do literugical services like he stated but most churches which are low church absolutely do not and because Protestantism is split into 40,000 sects who all disagree with eachother on various issues and there is no ONE representation of Protestantism, we can not really determine the continuity of Protestantism, especially since it only started like 500 years ago (the idea of it I guess)
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Well done Lewis
Thank you for this video. I'm looking into Orthodoxy. Can you tell me why at the 44:10 mark (the antiphone) there is an eye inside a triangle in the EO church? This seem very similar to some not-so-good esoteric symbols. Did the Christian use of this symbol pre-date the pagan and free-mason usage or did they steal it from us? Or is this a late renaissance development that may not be a great thing to have in Churches? Thanks.
@@nathanhornok The use of the all-seeing eye does, to my knowledge, pre-date its appropriation by freemasonic lodges. However, as I understand, free-masons were historically at some point literally masons or had that kind of backdrop. So it wouldn't surprise me if some masons had built churches and incorporated these symbols. I have seen a few like this and did not notice that until you pointed it out.
@OrthodoxyChloroQuine Thank you
@@OrthodoxShahada Thank you
“For all the Protestants who are listening, you must know that what we will be presenting here is also your heritage, should you choose to accept it.” ~Lewis
Accept*
Based, humble and meek
Lovely.
Love that. I definitely am on that path
✨⛪🕊💫 One World, one God 'YAHWEH TRINITY', and one Savior of the World: 'JESUS CHRIST'.
Excellent video. As a Jew inquiring into Orthodoxy this helped me a lot to see the continuity of the Church with the OT.
How are you doing now brother?
I second the above question. My fathers family is Jewish so I grew up with quite a lot of Jewish influence myself and it played a huge role in my journey to eventually becoming Orthodox after a 20 year journey toward the True faith
@@Ananias17Glory to God!
Awesome!
Me too!
You should come visit st. George church in lod in Sunday and ask for Peleg
Absolutely brilliant work!
My wife, daughter, and I are all going to be catechized this coming Sunday; it almost brings me to tears just thinking about being received into the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Faith.
Christ has truly showered his mercy upon me. ☦️
Glory to God! Welcome home to your whole family.
This is a fantastic video, Lewis. I will definitely share this far and wide.
This is probably one of my favorite videos out there centered around the Orthodox faith and helped me convert from Protestantism to Holy Orthodoxy.
Will this be your first Lent, then?
@@richardmohr9428 Yes, I started last year the Sunday after Pascha
I really hope and pray there's more Orthodox outreach to the Messianic and Hebrew Roots community. Orthodoxy has what they're looking for they just don't know it.
Agree wholeheartedly.
From a missional standpoint, that should be our pattern. First to the Jew and then the gentile.
I agree 💯. I came across this video looking for something to present to those I love in that movement. Praise be to God.
I couldn’t agree more with this! I spent 3 years as a practicing Hebrew roots believer before I became orthodox and I was yearning to find the New Testament church and go back to its “Hebrew roots”
When it was preserved perfectly in the Orthodox Church but fulfilled in Christ!
It was the evidence in this video and the plethora of other evidences in favour of Orthodoxy that I couldn’t refute and ignore.
God smacked me in the face so hard and humbled my heart that I got on my knees repenting for being a judaizer when all along this is what i was looking for! Becoming orthodox was the most Jewish or Hebraic thing I could have done as a believer in Christ. I have since met a few other former hebrew rooters who have become Orthodox. In fact it was a few former hebrew rooters who are now orthodox who educated me on Orthodoxy whilst I was still in Hebrew roots and by the grace of God himself I was guided to the undeniable truth and couldn’t run from
The Hebrew roots fast enough. Moving from a counterfeit of the early church to the actual living continuing early church was the greatest thing that’s ever happened to me. And I pray I can reach out to other messianics and Hebrew rooters and also help them
@@Ananias17 can you give some links to other resources or communities of former Hebrew Roots? My father has been deep into it for 5-6 years now. I never know how to approach him. He writes Orthodoxy off as paganized Christianity.
The Catholic Church has the St. James Vicariate of Hebrews. It’s under the jurisdiction of the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem.
Lewis, this is university tier education that you gave us in an accessible maner. Thank you! God bless you!
I am very touched you would describe it that way so thanks, means a lot.
- Lewis
Doamne ajută!
@@adytzu9797 Doamne ajută! Încântat că sunt și alți români pe canalul acesta.
@@01ombladon Si eu ma bucur. Nu prea am gasit calitate pe canalele romanesti din pacate.(cred ca ii stii pe "Cristian Crestin Ortodox'' si pe ''Viorel Ghica'', debiteaza doar aberatii pe canalele lor)
@@adytzu9797 tocmai pentru asta nu ii știu, am văzut că unul e cu ,,nepomenitorii", dar conținut apologetic de calitate nu avem în română decât sporadic in unele predici
Thanks Lewis, this is choice material to consume and to share.
Hi Nada!
As an evangelical I thought This was super thorough and helpful. Will probably have to watch/listen a few times.
This video must be seen by all Orthodox Christians and be part of the catechism. God bless you, brothers for the wonderful work
The point about the cherubim and the altar at 33:45 is brilliant and shows perfect continuity and the 7 candle lampstand and Exodus 25:31-40. This is so well done.
We have a seven oil-lamp stand at my parish instead of candles but it still looks beautiful, like a transfigured menorah!
Not seen any summary quite like this. Very good. Thanks.
You are very welcome, please share!
@@OrthodoxShahada I have 😉
Yay! A new Orthodox channel. Subbed! Thanks to Ubi’s post I found it. Thank you! ☦️🙏🏻 Blessed Lent.
GBU brother lewis ,very patient as usual and a nice brother and very knowledgeable ☦️🙏
My wife and I were admitted to the church in November having previously been members of a Baptist church.
So do you pray to Mary now? And ask for her protection?
@Bot are you Blammit? Well maybe the Baptist church you attended let you down in some way? But please do not use this situation to make the mistake of accepting false doctrine. Praying to Mary like she is God is heresy. She cannot hear you because she is not a divine being plain and simple. God alone is worthy of all praise. Any time you spend praising Mary (blessed as she is) is time not praising the Father.
@Bot are you Blammit? there is a difference. If I ask someone to pray, they can hear me. If I ask the dead in Christ to pray, they cannot hear me. Why? Because they are not a divine being. They are not omnipresent - ie they do not have the ability to hear thousands of prayers at the same time. Only God can do this. Also, communication with the dead is outright banned. It is called necromancy. King Saul did it in the Old Testament. I suggest you read that part. Very serious.
It it better to trust and obey what the Father tells us in His written Word. I am praying for you. May God bless you.
@Bot are you Blammit? I will still pray for you despite your misrepresentation of me and my motives. Jesus gave us the promised councillor - the Holy Spirit that will lead us into all truth. I will follow Him. If you think that people become all seeing and all hearing deities when they pass from this world, that is your choice. Your fruit is on display. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. We will worship Him in spirit an in Truth. Nothing can remove me from the loving hands of my Saviour Jesus. God bless you.
@Bot are you Blammit? that word means summoning the dead. You might be thinking of another word that I will not type that means disgusting and inappropriate actions with dead bodies. I did not use that word or mean that foul act.
I would however like to know how those that are dead in Christ can hear thousands of prayers at the same time. If you say they are not deities how is it possible?
It's quite undeniable that early church had the tradition of liturgy and prayer times.
Man this should of been 2 hours long. This video is packed with incredible information, kudos to you mate👍🏾
Awesome video! Worship in the OT was my original spur towards Orthodoxy. I want to thank you for putting this in a concise form.
Great content Lewis, learned many things, thank you brother
Great work! God bless
I thoroughly enjoyed your presentation! The connections and similarities between early Church worship and Hebrew worship make total sense to me, personally.
Thanks for the educational video!
42:46 I hear that and I get these chills. It's so amazing.
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Me too! I posted the link for the full Divine Liturgy. With love on Christ.
Thank you for the lecture. Brilliant!
You’ve done well young man, very well.
Glad you enjoyed it - your interview with Fr. DeYoung looks interesting.
@@OrthodoxShahada I did so many interviews with him and didn’t record them all. One I did inside the church and he explained the symbolism, icons, etc.
Yea I think it’s interesting. 🙏🏽🙏🏽Thanks man.
Good video Lewis, fellow anglo
The importance of the liturgy cannot be understated... the fact that the ancient Christians looked to the traditional liturgical readings throughout the year when selecting which books were canon should be enough to get the point across to modern "bible believing" Christians who reject "traditions of men"... it was literally tradition that formed the Bible...
A strong argument against sola scriptura, certainly, even if they fail to realize it.
@@tynytian You're right, of course, but it's tough to get folks beyond just the Bible. No one ever responds to my point that the Bible is not the issue - it's the interpretation that is the problem. I was once a Fuller Seminary M.Div. Evangelical who accepted the inevitability of big differences as part of the religious scenery. Now I'm a member of a parish where the clergy and most of the adults are converts. It's much easier to see the logic of Orthodoxy once you've become open to it. It's almost a second conversion experience.
@@richardmohr9428 Amen to that. I have lots of protestant family who have questions for me, and an ex-wife who thinks that traditional Christianity is hocus-pocus.
@@tynytian See if they can go to Presanctified with you and Holy Week services. Pascha is glorious, even when we have to take a break and sit down!
If you haven't already, get a copy of Metropolitan Kallistos Ware's "The Orthodox Church" that you can share with people. That was an important book for me. The first couple or three chapters of "The Shape of the Liturgy" by Dom Gregory Dix (referenced in the video) are also eye-opening, as far as the existence of the Liturgy and the Eucharist from the very beginning.
You'd think that 1 Corinthians 10 obviously reflects the Eucharistic teaching that St. Paul received as a catechumen but most Protestants are reluctant to concede that. Just think - St. Paul was once a catechumen! What do your Protestant family members think he learned from the Christians at that time? Premillennialism and the Rapture? That stuff was 1800 years in the future.
@@richardmohr9428 they did come for my chrismation and my sons' baptisms last Pascha, but it was waaaay longer than they were used to.
This was an excellent presentation, Lewis. Thank you!
Great video brother, I am enjoying this! May Jesus bless you
Wow that was mind 🎳.Thank you for all the work you did to put that together.I found the part on the feast days quite interesting and it reminded me of somthing I read I beleive it was from Edershheim on Christmas being the fullfilment of the dedication of the temple who of course was Our Lord Jesus Christ.I would love to hear your thoughts on that and any other christian holidays.
I would recommend one of many lectures from 'search the scriptures' exodus lecture 7 by Jeannie Constantinou. She goes through the feast day of the Passover meal, and how it is continued and fulfilled in the Orthodox Church. Just one more example of continuity and fulfillment.
So I’m sitting here watching this when all of a sudden St Anne’s (my church) pops up at 22:40 😂
One of the few Churches with a decent stream! lol
Amazing presentation bro and good to hear an English accent! A recent English convert!
Very well done! Good job brother!
Fantastic, an excellent presentation, very well structured and presented.
Muslims: We love Christ, we are the only ones praying like Jesus did.
Meanwhile Orthodox Christians 22:40 😄😄
They don’t even carry out the sacrifices or anything related to the temple either.
Muslims just stole the idea of prostrations from Eastern Orthodoxy, they think they own that practice when the Eastern church was doing that centuries before them.
@@andys3035 Correct
@@madbecause1654exactly 😂 the Chinese are the children of Yoktan, and also Shemites.
Isaiah 49:12 the land of Qin Dynasty=China=Sinim
Excellent analysis
This is similar to Brant Pitre's books: 'Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist: Unlocking the Secrets of the Last Supper' and '
Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary: Unveiling the Mother of the Messiah'
Yes I wanted to make a video out of the info since no one else seems to have done.
Great video and effort. Greetings from Greece 🇬🇷 ☦️
Top notch content, thank you for making the video.
This is quite a wonderful and informative lecture. Thank you. 🙏. Sent here by Jay Dyer...
Ty so much, beautiful walk through the Christian liturgy and Old Testament, you are truly blessed💕
well done. I would love something like this done for Hesychasm and Jewish/Merkavah/Apocalyptic roots
Great video, God bless you! ☦️
Roman Catholic here, loved this video and you have a new subscriber
✨👍 Thx very much. This is a resourceful video for improving our understanding of orthodox Christianity...
Do you plan on making a part two? The Torah Observants I’ve sent this to have either loved it and inquired or absolutely begun to despise Orthodoxy
Excellent presentation, Lewis. Great job.
Best video I've seen on this subject
Excellent. Thank you!
As the sermon on mount was an extension of the law and the Prophets, so to The Orthodox Church Worship is an extension of the Old Testament Temple and synagogues Worship and has Been past down to us by Holy Tradition and been kept the some since the Apostolic times.
Phenomenal, thankyou.
Thank you for this Lewis. Fantastic work and very informative!
Very informative and instructive. Thank you for taking the time and putting in the obvious effort it took to compose this video.
I am wondering if this is what many people are looking for and do not yet know about.
Great video Qai! Thank you so much for upoading this! Being interested in other religions, I spent a couple of years checking out Islam. I don’t know how converts to Islam see any continuity with Judaism and later, Orthodox Christianity. In fact, the difference is actually jarring. When I go into an Orthodox Temple, I can see a continuity with the Temple in Jerusalem. Even a synagogue looks fairly similar. And the snippets of services in a Synagogue you present are in many ways, an echo of our services.
On the other hand, when I go into a mosque, for me, it is cold. All you have is the qibla-niche. No icons, no Royal Doors-nothing. I walk into an Orthodox Temple, it’s like a foretaste of heaven. I really cannot see what causes people to convert to Islam. There is no “there” there. I’ve never been to a Muslim service, but something tells me that I wouldn’t like it.
In short, there is no comparison between Islamic worship and the richness and beauty of the Orthodox Divine Liturgy. In addition, there is certainly no continuity in Islamic worship with the worship in the Temple or our Orthodox worship.
Thank you for pointing out that some Orthodox churches still ask non-Orthodox to leave after the Liturgy of the Catechumens. I attended a church that had maintained the custom in the 1970s. I dealt with it just fine. Once I’d been properly baptised and chrismated, I could stay.
I really don't get it, either. In spite of my garb, I am Orthodox and I don't know, especially, how Orthodox fall for this. The divinity of Christ and the Holy Trinity (they profess neither, of course ) are total non-starters for me. No Mother of God, Angels and Saints, either. And then they pretty much curse monasticism, which, again is another non-starter. I've been in monastic life for 40 years now and even though I'm great sinner, I hope Allah (since Allah is God in Arabic) will keep me strong in my faith and monastic life.
Also, the Muslim Allah seems very remote and abstract compared to our Allah. And then they pretty much believe in predestination. If I wanted that, I'd be a Calvinist! Our relationship with our Allah, Lord Jesus, His Holy Mother, the Angels and Saints can be very warm, up close and personal.
I consider a masjid to be beautiful, yet cold (my parents I visited several whilst on the Christian Hajj back in 1962). I mean, just a niche to show which direction is Makkah?! Orthodox Churches are so much warmer and more welcoming.
I also attended a parish where Catechumens were asked to leave after the Liturgy of the Catechumens was concluded (old ROCOR parish back in the 70s). But it was only for a few weeks until I was baptised--on the Feast of St. Herman of Alaska, no less. I like when that is done because it keeps us in touch with our early days, when Liturgy had to be very hush-hush. We need to remember that time and be grateful that those days are gone.
Glory to God! Just popped up!
Outstanding work! This will serve as a valuable resource.
I must say however, that is quite an uncharitable clip of Roosh that you used; If you listen to the rest, he ended up humbling himself and it turned into a very beautiful story.
It's just a joke. Lighten up.
@@OrthodoxShahada lol, ok, I mean, I get that... Nobody here is angry. I'm just saying, it could very easily cast a particular light on him if somebody who's new to orthodoxy just stumbled on this... Like, if that was their first given impression of him. Ya know?
@@beauty.of.the.struggle I mean I called it 'humorous' so I think most people recognise it's light hearted.
@@OrthodoxShahada Fair enough.
"Humorous" could also just as easily mean that you were looking fun at his situation too... That's all. It was just a mild critique in any case, and my only one. As stated already, you're doing fantastic work with this channel... Keep it up
@@beauty.of.the.struggle Thanks! It was more that I found him making light of his own situation :)
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS EXCELLENT INFORMATIVE WORK. MAY GOD BLESS YOU !
Yes sir!! God bless u Lewis❤️
This video is pure gold! thanks
Extremely impressive 👏
What's the chanting called on 1:17:34? I know that's sung every time the altar boys and priests + deacons go to the Bishop's throne, and the Bishop and all clergies (including altar boys) walk back into the iconostasis
La iglesia ortodoxa es la verdad. Espero que todos los países de hispánica vuelven a sus madre, la iglesia de los apóstoles.
God bless Louis Bouliers who was quoted in this video, and God bless Orthodox Shahada and all involved in bringing this information to be available so I could see and hear it. I am blessed by this , and give glory to God.
Will be a new Catechum this September with my fiance. ☦️
Welcome to the narrow path! Pick up your cross and follow our Lord Jesus Christ. May the Holy Spirit with the intercession of the Virgin Theotokos be with you both! ☦️
brilliant presentation, really first rate, the table at the end does show a lack of appreciation for reformed Christians as a whole, who do truly believe GOD is present when they pray (they believe in the real presence of the Holy Spirit, and they do believe in sacrificial atonement, as done by Christ, so apart from that little bit of misunderstanding, an excellent video of the first order.
Hi Bob, thanks for your feedback. I think you may be mistaking the belief in a sacrificial atonement per se with the existence of a priesthood and a ministered sacrifice on an altar - which was why there was a question mark since there is such diversity among protestants. Looking back I think I should have put a green tick in the presence of God box for all reformed.
@@toomanymarys7355 No RCs believe the same thing. Just Google "do Catholics believe they are re-sacrificing Jesus?"
Thank you for this insightful teaching.
Please do more videos like this.
Great video!
16:26 sause for the painting?
26:05 interesting bit about images/iconography in synagogues
Can you debunk Pentecostalism? I’m interested in converting into orthodoxy and I wanna know what the early church fathers think about its teachings. Thanks!
I'm a former Pentecostal. Read Fr. Seraphim Rose's book "Orthodoxy & the Religion of the Future". It may upset you. I was really upset by it when I read it as a Pentecostal, but I'm Orthodox now.
Protestants can check maybe 2 boxes. I say this as a former evangelical of 24 yrs.
He put question marks on them because there is no ONE representation of Protestantism because they have no normative authority. I also was protestant for many years as well.
1:02:49 but why?
Early Christians celebrated Sunday as the "eighth day" to signify that the resurrection of Jesus Christ began a new creation from God. They believed that the resurrection and ascension of Christ renewed creation, similar to the first day of creation when God made light.
So no worship on Saturday/Sabbath?
Ritual hand washing is used in the synagogue of today to wash the hands of the priests (cohenim) before they bless the congregation.
Also ordinary Jews perform a ritual hand washing and say a blessing before eating bread
Great work ☦️☦️☦️
Orthodox Jews also observe the appointed hours of prayer, 3 times a day, in the synagogue, every day
So is Lewis implying here that the Orthodox still observe the Sabbath on Saturday in some way?
That's correct. That's why in the Russian language saturday is called 'Subbota' whereas sunday is called 'Voskresenye'.
@@OrthodoxShahada interesting. So Rome normally claims the Sabbath has been moved to Sunday in some way. I guess this would not be the Orthodox view?
@@Gruenders There is both a shift and a remembrance of the Sabbath as I understand. I hope to get Fr. Stephen De Young on eventually to talk about all this stuff.
@@OrthodoxShahada I’m getting push back on the Sabbath question from some of my Messianic Jew/Hebrew Roots friends. So it would be good to learn more about it.
@Salme9540 thanks for this. So I noticed the link said that Saturday is still the Sabbath to the Orthodox while Sunday is when the Orthodox worship. Does that mean that the Orthodox should still observe rest on Saturday?
On historic worship noted in the Old Testimony, what of the ceremony, noted in Genesis, that Abraham held with Melchizedek?
Great teaching!
Are you from the UK?
I am yes.
- Lewis
@@OrthodoxShahada
Based Saxon
@@lordofhostsappreciator3075 Hes has Serbiqn origin so hes not a saxon hahaha hes a Slav 😄
Excellent video. Thank you for your work!! In regards to the referenced and linked Thomas Newberry Architectural Model of King Solomon’s Temple, what are your thoughts on the domed design? Most renditions are flat roofed and I don't believe there is mention of a domed roof in the scriptural account of the architectural details. Do you know if the domed roof is actually more accurate and known by oral tradition?
Is there any way you could post the slides you use here? Would love to have them to study them more thoroughly.
Revelation 22:14
King James Version
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Jews still practice "restricted access"... only priests (cohanim) can bless the congregation, and priests have priority over others in certain rituals, for example the first one called to read the Torah must be a priest
The end assessment of Protestant continuity is a bit unfair I think even though I see the point. Protestant Theology when properly articulated emphasizes the continuity but almost everything is “spiritual” only. I think it goes too far to discard almost all symbolism and typology. It definitely shows in how many view the faith as basically an intellectual pursuit of God very detached from the “real world”. I’m saying this as a lifelong Protestant inquiring into Orthodoxy.
Nah, Protestants don't have any continuity(except, arguably, Anglicans).
God bless ❤
Do you have the link to the full Jewish antiphonal chanting video?
Thank you 🙏
Are you claiming Orthodox Christianity keeps the feast days of the Old Testament?
I've tried to save this to my 'watch later' about five times in the last couple days and it doesn't work. Weird.
I question why the types that pointed to Christ are carried over into the Christian church though? I thought types were completed at the destruction of the temple in 70AD?? Also He said the WORDS I speak unto you are spirit and they are life…correct?
These practices that the Orthodox Church has continued are not types pointing to Christ but they are transfigured through Christ and in Christ.
Old types point to the new, the new illuminates the old
Shallom ❤❤❤
You seem to be confused between the Temple and synagogues. The descriptions of early Christian worship you read were in synagogues / churches. Nothing in the description indicates they took place in the Temple.
There is no evidence that Christian worship of any sort ever occurred in the Temple
Amazing!
"jewish roots" the correct word is hebraic
There is absolutely no textual support that every sacrifice was "to atone for sin". That concept was invented by Christianity out of whole cloth, to support Christian theology of atonement.
It doesn't even make sense. What sin were Cain and Abel's sacrifice atoning for? And how does it make sense that there is a particular sacrifice in Leviticus known as the "sin offering"?
The vast majority of Old Testment (Jewish) sacrifice has nothing to do with sin or atonement. It is simply a form of worship.
That fact poses a big problem for Christian theology, since they propose that they are a replacement for the sacrifices, and that a replacement is desperately needed, since sacrifices are "the only atonement for sin".
The fact that sacrifices were not essential in any way begs the question of why the Christian concept of atonement is needed at all.
Everything you stated is also present in Oriental Orthodox Churches.
I think everyone is aware of that.
@@OrthodoxShahadatbh, I was not aware that the liturgical worship of both churches shared this much in common. Its why I made the comment.
@@karas3248 If I'm not mistaken the normative Liturgy is the Liturgy of St. Basil in the Coptic and perhaps other Oriental churches, yes? The Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is very similar with a few differences. We have the Liturgy of St. Basil on his Feast day (1 Jan. New Calendar/14 Jan. Old Calendar) and during Great Lent!
Your commentary about your comparison list at the end is somewhat in error regarding Protestant buildings and liturgy.
It is not, I used to be Protetsant for many years. Again there are some protestant denominations that do literugical services like he stated but most churches which are low church absolutely do not and because Protestantism is split into 40,000 sects who all disagree with eachother on various issues and there is no ONE representation of Protestantism, we can not really determine the continuity of Protestantism, especially since it only started like 500 years ago (the idea of it I guess)