Well Edmonton is now the fastest growing city in Canada over the last 10 years and second in North America only to Orlando according to the last stat I saw... Growing 23% for Orlando and 22% for Edmonton over that timeframe... It still has major flaws like crap traffic but obviously more rapid transit helps especially when the WEM connection happens... About 40 years overdue...
It's really strange that the mid station Davis Station would be originally named Wagner. Wagner Vocational High School is 4 meandering blocks away. 15 minute walk on a good summer day, and 30 minutes on a winter day as there are no sidewalks or what few sidewalks there are are never shoveled.
If you noticed he actually used the same background music as the previous video about the two other Edmonton LRT lines! Anyways: bumping the engagement here cuz I wanna see another Transit Exploration!
Even with its faults and flaws, I am glad they finally opened the Valley Line LRT. I personally would love to see a revival of the original Edmonton Radial Railway lines because at its peak in the 1920's it had 90+ KM of lines with a city population of around 58,000 people... And that's I guess what's in the newest vision document for Edmonton Rapid Transit... Some sort of commuter rail/express line to the airport from downtown via a new crossing near the Lower Level Bridge, up Scona Road possibly in a tunnel then crossing over to the CP ROW near Whyte Ave... And of course a revival of streetcars along critical major avenues like 118, which I fully approve of!
I'd highly appreciate an LRT line running down Whyte Ave. This corridor is an obvious gem for transit! Also, all the cities with streetcars need to make their returns to streetcars one day!
@@morethantransittno, any line near Whyte needs to be at least a block north or south, as Whyte is a very busy car corridor and we can't afford to lose any lanes there.
Wonderful summary and tour! Very excited to see what's happening in Edmonton, and I'm impressed they kept those flexities running with all that snow. But just so you know, the thumbnail is inaccurate - Seattle /literally today/ opened North America's newest light rail, the 2 Line!
Hey! I really enjoy your in depth commentary regarding PT in Edmonton. Subscribed as I’m fellow enjoyer of walkable city architectural approach. Moved to Edmonton from Europe so I’m not familiar how PT works here. I’ve noticed you have some kind of app that shows buses schedules. Can you share the name of it, please?
I was corrected when I went to the conservatory. The staff said it's "Mutt-tart" or "Mud-tart" so I assume the station would be pronounced the same way too!
@@morethantransitt The flat, inflectionless tone of the LRT voice doesn't exactly help matters. Just got to the potion about The Quarters (which is my stop). With regards to our Chinatown, it was originally focussed at the corner of 97 Street and Jasper, a bit to the west of the station. But in the 1960s and 1970s, there were a lot of attempts to "fix" it with the bulldozer because of too much poverty and things that attract poverty. Canada Place sits on top of what was once the focus of Chinatown. Some portion of it displaced east into Boyle Street (The Quarters), and some portion of it displaced north into McCauley. Boyle Street Chinatown initially held on because it still had some of the original Chinese-owned businesses and community (on account that some of original Chinatown spilled east of 97 and Jasper). So, various Chinese cultural and seniors facilities were built there. But Chinatown North became the focus of migration in the terminal 1970s to 1980s during the post Vietnam War refugee settlement wave (bringing a mix of various Vietnamese and also more ethnic Chinese from SE Asia to the area). And Boyle Street (The Quarters) got another 40 years of the bulldozer and largely turned into shitty surface level parking lots owned by real estate speculators. Meanwhile, a lot of the Chinese, Vietnamese and other East Asian populations have migrated away from the core to suburbia. There's still some Chinatown left here, but it's definitely not what it's used to be.
@@morethantransitt Chinatown North does manage a certain vibrance, even if it looks shabby in places. It managed to move into a bunch of ex railroad industrial land and that created opportunities. But over time it's become not so much strictly the focus of the Chinese community, it's become a focus of them alongside Vietnamese, Korean Philippine, Salvadoran, Laotian, and Somali and other diasporas. But, despite being a highly productive neighbourhood, it's been treated for decades as somewhere for suburbanites to drive through on their way to downtown. It gets to be clogged with traffic, but almost none of it stops there. Periodically, some cosmetic bandaid is applied, but not much is really given back for what is taken. Still, it persists.
LRT. Is. Not. A. StreetCar. A streetcar runs in mixed traffic. Any proper decisions will have LRT running on its own Right of Way. While you can run a train in mixed traffic that is an extremely poor decision.
Streetcar is a form of light rail. While the Valley Line here is running with the traffic at some segments, it still has its own right of way. I think the major difference between them would just be streetcar running in mixed traffic, while low-floor LRT has more priorities and separation.
Crossing traffic (used to be a gate coming down, but now it's done with light signals) is NOT running with traffic. It has its own right of way which traffic does not enter unless it has a light. Would you say a freight train runs in traffic? No you would not. The valley line is not a streetcar because it does not run in traffic. Yes you can do pretty much anything with a train/LRT *car*. Yes you can run it in mixed traffic like a streetcar, which is a horrible decision, and makes it a streetcar. Or you can run in in its own right of way (not in mixed traffic), which is a much better way, what the Valley Line does, and what makes it a LRT. Its own right of way is a LRT because streetcar is entirely different. Saying everything done with a LRT is a streetcar is frankly wrong. Would you say Clareview to Century Park and the entire underground section is a streetcar? No you would not.
I stoped riding it, I can not handle smelling meth all time, plue 73 use to take similar time to reach downtown, now I take 523, why a ground level train which took precious car lanes.
Fun fact after 2 decade Edmonton transit has same numbers of commuter even though population has increased rapidlly, because Cars are better and always will be.
This video should have been released in November 2023, meaning it is delayed, just like how the Valley Line was delayed as well
This comment deserves the pin!
maybe it was intentionally delayed to portray how delayed the opening was? 👀
I am sad to have left this, the city of my birth, just as it's getting awesomer. I am deeply excited to visit all this soon.
Well Edmonton is now the fastest growing city in Canada over the last 10 years and second in North America only to Orlando according to the last stat I saw... Growing 23% for Orlando and 22% for Edmonton over that timeframe... It still has major flaws like crap traffic but obviously more rapid transit helps especially when the WEM connection happens... About 40 years overdue...
Hope you'll have a good time when you visit!
It's really strange that the mid station Davis Station would be originally named Wagner. Wagner Vocational High School is 4 meandering blocks away. 15 minute walk on a good summer day, and 30 minutes on a winter day as there are no sidewalks or what few sidewalks there are are never shoveled.
If you noticed he actually used the same background music as the previous video about the two other Edmonton LRT lines!
Anyways: bumping the engagement here cuz I wanna see another Transit Exploration!
Actually I only used 2/5 songs tho, but good catch!
We need another Transit Exploration episode!
Hang in there!
Even with its faults and flaws, I am glad they finally opened the Valley Line LRT. I personally would love to see a revival of the original Edmonton Radial Railway lines because at its peak in the 1920's it had 90+ KM of lines with a city population of around 58,000 people... And that's I guess what's in the newest vision document for Edmonton Rapid Transit... Some sort of commuter rail/express line to the airport from downtown via a new crossing near the Lower Level Bridge, up Scona Road possibly in a tunnel then crossing over to the CP ROW near Whyte Ave... And of course a revival of streetcars along critical major avenues like 118, which I fully approve of!
I'd highly appreciate an LRT line running down Whyte Ave. This corridor is an obvious gem for transit! Also, all the cities with streetcars need to make their returns to streetcars one day!
@@morethantransittno, any line near Whyte needs to be at least a block north or south, as Whyte is a very busy car corridor and we can't afford to lose any lanes there.
Wonderful summary and tour! Very excited to see what's happening in Edmonton, and I'm impressed they kept those flexities running with all that snow.
But just so you know, the thumbnail is inaccurate - Seattle /literally today/ opened North America's newest light rail, the 2 Line!
Ah congratulations Seattle! And yes I made this thumbnail almost a month ago, so I will definitely edit it!
Hope to see a video from you on Edmonton and Calgary soon too! Love your channel!
1:54 Bombardier Flexity* Freedom
Ah I mispronounced that! Thank you!
Commenting for the algorithm!
Yay yay thanks for the bump!!
Hey! I really enjoy your in depth commentary regarding PT in Edmonton. Subscribed as I’m fellow enjoyer of walkable city architectural approach. Moved to Edmonton from Europe so I’m not familiar how PT works here. I’ve noticed you have some kind of app that shows buses schedules. Can you share the name of it, please?
The app is called Transit App!
@@morethantransitt Perfect, thank you!
Nice video. Too bad you had to visit in one of the coldest weeks of the year. 😕
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Apparently the "Muht tart" pronunciation is correct the the "mewt tart" is a common local corruption of the namesake.
I was corrected when I went to the conservatory. The staff said it's "Mutt-tart" or "Mud-tart" so I assume the station would be pronounced the same way too!
@@morethantransitt The flat, inflectionless tone of the LRT voice doesn't exactly help matters.
Just got to the potion about The Quarters (which is my stop). With regards to our Chinatown, it was originally focussed at the corner of 97 Street and Jasper, a bit to the west of the station. But in the 1960s and 1970s, there were a lot of attempts to "fix" it with the bulldozer because of too much poverty and things that attract poverty. Canada Place sits on top of what was once the focus of Chinatown.
Some portion of it displaced east into Boyle Street (The Quarters), and some portion of it displaced north into McCauley. Boyle Street Chinatown initially held on because it still had some of the original Chinese-owned businesses and community (on account that some of original Chinatown spilled east of 97 and Jasper). So, various Chinese cultural and seniors facilities were built there.
But Chinatown North became the focus of migration in the terminal 1970s to 1980s during the post Vietnam War refugee settlement wave (bringing a mix of various Vietnamese and also more ethnic Chinese from SE Asia to the area). And Boyle Street (The Quarters) got another 40 years of the bulldozer and largely turned into shitty surface level parking lots owned by real estate speculators. Meanwhile, a lot of the Chinese, Vietnamese and other East Asian populations have migrated away from the core to suburbia. There's still some Chinatown left here, but it's definitely not what it's used to be.
Fascinating! It's so sad to see the decline and neglect towards Chinatown, both the North part and the South part!
@@morethantransitt Chinatown North does manage a certain vibrance, even if it looks shabby in places. It managed to move into a bunch of ex railroad industrial land and that created opportunities. But over time it's become not so much strictly the focus of the Chinese community, it's become a focus of them alongside Vietnamese, Korean Philippine, Salvadoran, Laotian, and Somali and other diasporas.
But, despite being a highly productive neighbourhood, it's been treated for decades as somewhere for suburbanites to drive through on their way to downtown. It gets to be clogged with traffic, but almost none of it stops there. Periodically, some cosmetic bandaid is applied, but not much is really given back for what is taken.
Still, it persists.
LRT. Is. Not. A. StreetCar. A streetcar runs in mixed traffic. Any proper decisions will have LRT running on its own Right of Way. While you can run a train in mixed traffic that is an extremely poor decision.
Streetcar is a form of light rail. While the Valley Line here is running with the traffic at some segments, it still has its own right of way. I think the major difference between them would just be streetcar running in mixed traffic, while low-floor LRT has more priorities and separation.
Crossing traffic (used to be a gate coming down, but now it's done with light signals) is NOT running with traffic. It has its own right of way which traffic does not enter unless it has a light. Would you say a freight train runs in traffic? No you would not. The valley line is not a streetcar because it does not run in traffic.
Yes you can do pretty much anything with a train/LRT *car*. Yes you can run it in mixed traffic like a streetcar, which is a horrible decision, and makes it a streetcar. Or you can run in in its own right of way (not in mixed traffic), which is a much better way, what the Valley Line does, and what makes it a LRT. Its own right of way is a LRT because streetcar is entirely different. Saying everything done with a LRT is a streetcar is frankly wrong. Would you say Clareview to Century Park and the entire underground section is a streetcar? No you would not.
Tom8to / Tom@to. It's a streetcar.
@@HELLH0WND In the same way that a Metro Line or a Subway is a streetcar.
We have the cargo train tracks parallel to yellow head why not put a lrt on that track
14:26 Or ☠️Station.
The door sound is honestly too loud
Yeah, but it gets the job done!
It's pronounced Moo-tart.
It is, by many, but I don't believe that's correct. I believe it should be "muh-tart"
the future "every edmonton lrt video" won't just be 2 hours or less, it might take you 3 hours now!
It might use a different route for the LRTs too! But we need the video to bump up first!
The Valley Line is too slow. Might as well take the car to the concert...
I mean it's still easier to take the train than finding parking spots around Rogers Place. Those oilers games were crazy
After a few beers at the concert I celebrate the completion of this project.
I stoped riding it, I can not handle smelling meth all time, plue 73 use to take similar time to reach downtown, now I take 523, why a ground level train which took precious car lanes.
Nobody cares... Bye!
*stopped
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Fun fact after 2 decade Edmonton transit has same numbers of commuter even though population has increased rapidlly, because Cars are better and always will be.
Not even remotely true. Troll elsewhere, CHUD!
@@stickynorthImagine using transit in -45☠️.
@@Papa-ur3ju Just wait until what diesel owners need to do in -45 weather. Hope your vehicle doesn't get stolen overnight
@@andrewolf9865 Do not worry dump poor with astma
@@Papa-ur3ju LMFAO in that weather you can't turn off a diesel because it won't start again in such low temperatures