I'd like to see if you can pull off a SonderKommando Elbe attack. Large formation of B17's. Bf 109 G or K, virtually no ammo and ramming attack. All that defensive fire and the P51 escorts.
The C-130 has to be the most versatile aircraft ever made...lol...everything from basic cargo planes to troop transport to gun ships to you name it. I got to go up in a KC-130J when I was in Afghanistan and put warheads on foreheads. That was a C-130 fitted with 4 Hellfire missiles on a wing, a targeting pod and 10 Griffin missiles that launch out the back. Maybe not the most glamorous plane ever but is a real legend.
The blast radius of the MOAB is one mile. It is also an air burst bomb which does not seem to be modeled in DCS. For a more accurate representation of what a strike like this could do the C-130s would have had to spread out more and the MOAB would need to air burst so you don't have them exploding in the water.
Even ground burst the 11tons of tnt equivalent would generate a glass breaking 1psi shockwave at a mile, a risky to humans 2 psi at .5miles and a damaging to humans 5psi at .29miles (assuming flat ideal terrain but of course it would drop off after a far shorter distance if it was used in a city with structures and non ideal terrain.)Airburst does drastically improve this but it doesn't make the actual lethal radius a mile even in the middle of a desert that's just a persistent myth/misunderstanding. It also doesn't leave a humongous crater as most claim. It will however when Air burst send a lung popping, reinforced building bulldozing 20psi, out to 300 meters. After that it quickly drops off though.
Nukee, in DCS are also graphically designed by a millennial, too (seemingly) He just said, " What"evs...," & couldn't be bothered.... The weapon's stats, context, and even Joules of energy released, plus countless videos, all publicly available!
That's how it works in reality. Go play a video game or watch a movie. If that's your assessment, you really haven't put the time to figure out what the real ones are.
The MOAB has always fascinated me to be honest. The damage modeling here on impact is WAY underestimated. The initial shock wave, the basically atomizes everything instantly, should be several hundred meters in diameter. There would just be a large bald spot on the terrain after the dust settled. Not wrecked buildings… but buildings that have disappeared altogether. I was lucky enough to have witnessed (from a GREAT distance) a MOAB test at Eglin AFB, FL years ago. Most incredible thing I’ve ever seen. I never want to see a modern nuclear weapon used, but it’s quite literally the only thing fathomable that could be more destructive.
Cap: "Flares for satisfaction." Day Later: Cap standing nervously at attention before CO and angry sheep herder getting ready to explain why he felt the need to set the man's sheep on fire.
19:30 An important consideration of who I'd rather get bombed by is, B-17s rarely hit important things. Only about 5% of bombs came within a hundred yards of target. C-130s would be more accurate, I think.
With a MOAB accuracy is kinda irrelevant, though you are correct. Stands for massive ordnance air burst. With an effective kill range of a 1/2 mile under ideal conditions, any glass within about a mile will shatter possibly leading to more casualties. And any building within about 300 yards being almost certainly leveled.
@@Davinator2662the RAF used the "blockbuster" in WW2 which was about half the explosive power and could be encouraged to explode as an airburst. It still needed to be aimed.
Not sure they could carry even one? they had to mod it to carry the fat man and little boy. I think the Victor could carry 2 and the b36 could carry the bigger american t12.
Would be cool, but the B29, while a capable bomber for WW2, actually carries very little by today's standards. The A-10 can carry almost as much as the B-29 did, and the B-52 can carry 3.5x more.
Every so often a Lancaster flies over me. Sometimes there's a Harvard, Spitfire, Hurricane, and or Mustang around. The odd Dakota. Probably from a flying collection that resides and passes through the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum, Hamilton ON. The sound. So much sound. Every time I see a formation of bombers in a video or game I have to think, sometimes there were hundreds at a time. Add escorts. A small engine was 27 litres among 16 cylinders. The sound that many pistons in that many cylinders must have made is mind boggling.
The MOAB's and FAE's generate a very large shock wave upon detination.... and a large blast damage area results. Do you think that the blast dynamics of the MOAB was represented correctly? Remember, the Daisy Cutter FAE's in Vietnam were used to create emergency LZ's .... I think that they stomped everything flat in about a 1000' radius, and the MOAB has about a 5000' blast radius. I think that the Herc's would have done much more damage ... even to the local buildings. JMHO.
Back when I was in the USN we could catch MAC flights (Military Air Cargo) for free. They were very erratic on scheduling and no comforts what so ever, but they were free and that made them very appealing. One of my favorite flights was on the C130s. Many of them are set up for medical EVAC transfers and had litters bolted to the side walls. There was a lot of flights between all the main VA hospitals and one of them was in my home town of Indianapolis. The hop from Norfolk VA where I was based and the Indy VA was perfect. I got on and if there were empty litters, that was my seat. I slept all the way home. But it was not pleasant. Loud, cold, the cots were just canvas stretched over steel bars and the pilots were nuts. I guess jazzing up a boring cargo hop made it more tolerable. Anyways, whenever I see a C130 I always think about those days. Never been inside one with a MOAB.
@@MrDJAK777 Yes. It's been so long since I been on one that I am sure it's all changed. But once I was competing with an Admiral's dog! True story. I was trying to hop a ride from Norfolk to Naval Air Station Key West because my parents were down there on vacation and some Admiral had his pet dog being "transferred" to his quarters on base. I begged the loadmaster, I told him I would hold the dog all the way! He actually agreed and told me to keep my mouth shut. That dog sat in his cage the whole time anyways. But that's the kind of thing that used to go on.
@@MrDJAK777 My Dad and his buddies used to catch a training flight from Pittsburgh to Tucson to play golf. They stopped doing those a while ago from the 911th though.
Seeing the flight of bombers has me thinking Cap. Would it be possible for you to enact some of the later stage German attempts of fielding ME 262 and other experimental jet fighters like the ME 163 to see if you and the gang could outfly something twice your speed and protect your bomber flight?
Suggestion. Do an SR71 intercept, based on the incident over the Baltic sea on June 29 1981. TLDR: an SR71 had a single engine failure over the Baltic sea, Sweden scrambled Viggens to escort while the USSR launched a bunch of planes to shoot it down. Nothing happened, everyone was safe, but that could be a neat mission premise.
Something to keep in mind is, to double the radius of bomb damage, you need to cube the amount of explosives. The MOABs should've been parachuted in, and aimed at the water, and set to detonate on the bottom of the harbor. It's not hardened like a Grand Slam, but the wave might force a fair amount of damage, and probably displace a goodly amount of water out of the harbor. Being relatively shallow, a lot of the blast is going to push air, unless it goes under a boat. Ships are tough targets for aircraft. They figured out with nukes is there's a point where it's like detonating in the water, but instead the atmosphere gets ejected into space more or less. They also figured out accuracy is muuuuch better than increasing the blast radius, because of the equation. A 5 pound bomb becomes 125 pounds. That also is why butterfly bombs and bomblets became so popular. Instead of a giant blast from one point, you get smaller blasts from a couple of hundred points which beats the area better. If you dropped a bunch of say, 100 pound fragmentation bombs, the effect on land would be limited, but those would poke a lot of holes and start a lot of fires if they hit tankers. Or Exocets...
When comparing a regular iron bomb to a nuclear bomb - remember that the "explosive weight" value of a nuke is that of TNT only, while the weight given of an iron bomb is mostly steeel casing.
I think the idea of the c-130's is to be able to do a more precision style bombing. Especially if you modify a bomb sight on which should be fairly easy. You also have the option of dropping the MOAB's from high above. Then dropping down low to finish anything off.
Before I watch the raid: I’m going to have to say 500 lbs of 1940’s bombs vs a conventional 500lb warhead have different behaviors that will lend to different results
At about 06:13 in this video... IF I remember correctly from my days working on C-130s in the US Coast Guard, and IF I am seeing the imagery correctly {watching this on my smartphone}, the cargo ramps are rendered VERY SLIGHTLY inaccurately. {I have not been around a C-130 in years, so this is from memory.} The open cargo ramps is shown with two sets of vertical 'things' connected to it. The silver rearmost things are the hydraulic actuating cylinders, which open and close the ramp. They are correct. The darker things just forward of the cylinders are _"ramp support arms,"_ or _"grasshopper arms"_ as we nicknamed them. The _grasshopper arms_ only allow the cargo ramp to be lowered to a position level with the rest of the flight deck inside the aircraft. Were the cargo ramp to be opened _in flight_ and be lowered below that level it would start acting as _'down elevator'_ and the pilots might not be able to correct for it, and lose control of the aircraft. _Grasshopper arms_ can be disconnected from the cargo ramp so the ramp can be lowered all the way to the ground. I was an Enlisted Aircrewman in the USCG. I remember on one flight -- and ONLY once 😊 -- we were taxing out and I realized the _grasshopper arms_ were NOT connected to the ramp. Part of my PreFlight duties was to check the _grasshopper arms_ to make sure they were connected properly. {The cargo ramp and door were closed anyway, so it was no immediate problem.} I reconnected them before we took off. *EDIT→* All the C-130s I worked on in the USCG were PRE-J Models. The Herks modeled here appear to be J-Models. From what little I know of the J's their _grasshopper arms_ are a bit different. HOWEVER, I _THINK_ they still are connected in flight, and disconnected to lower the cargo ramp all the way on the ground.
It doesn't deliver as much explosive as a single loaded B17. The MOAB delivers a much broader lower power explosive force that does a lot more structural damage and sets almost everything on fire, but it still isn't as powerful as the 16,000lbs of TNT that a pair of B17 would drop. The MOAB is basically a portable flaming hurricane force wind. It isn't even the strongest bomb that a C130 can carry. Commando Bull BLU82 is the 15,000lbs TNT "daisy cutter" weapon and the C130 can carry two of them, one set with a ground contact fuse and the other with a shock over-pressure switch detonator. The combo was tested *once* and never used in combat. The MOAB, without its sled, can be carried by a Skycrane.
Relatively empty for landing full flaps use threshold 110, touchdown 99. In the groove 135, then full flaps 125 short final round out, over the fence 110 on the numbers 99.
If you fill the air with enough chaff, will the 8.8cm flak be proxy fused by all the falling aluminum. Would all that chaff create a safety net from flak for the c130s?
I have not seen if others made the comment, but real MOABs are GPS guided so even without a bomb sight you would have trouble missing. I also think that the 500lb bombs would be GBU-38s so you could pick individual targets before takeoff.
C-130 is an aircraft I'd really love to see I'm DCS, especially in Gunship & also Spooky mode. Just seems like it would be a blast to fly a Herky Bird.
@@briarrandolph307 ya saw that after you mentioned it, I guess DCS just doesn't animate it very well ... my bad.. th-cam.com/video/9ruTLD9pFao/w-d-xo.html
Very good video CAP! Now that they have the C-130 and the Malvinas, they are encouraged to reproduce the attack of the FAA C-130 on the tanker "Hercules" in the Malvinas war. Greetings from Argentina!.
MassiveOrdanceAirBusrst is sometimes called the "mother of all bombs" yet unlike many bombs it is never intended to reach the ground or target. The last two charters are critical "AB - Air Burst" since it is designed to release the explosive content in the air prior to detonation.
Honestly the big advantage of the modern warheads is the GPS to keep them closer to the targets. If you're planning timing and everything you can increase the damage to a center by trying to encircle a bullseye to get concussive blasts to hit each other.
Hey Cap, correction on the bomb load of the B-17G. Max internal bomb load is 9,600lb. According to Boeing and Britanica. Max bomb load however was 17,600lbs with the use of external ordinance hard points. According to aviation history online. I also have other books that source this. One can also look at the period manuals to confirm this. Looking forward to the vid.
I’m still laughing at the thought of trying to drop a MOAB without first dropping the ramp. I would imagine that dropping a MOAB would make for a need to quickly reset the trim… that’s a lot of weight shifting from center to tail to gone.
Since there was a lot of water around probably several MOAB's hit that water which might have dispersed the explosive force. Maybe you can try the formations again against solid targets on land, so, that if even a MOAB does not hit the target directly the blast force of hitting land will destroy that target anyway.
Hi Cap, would you guys be able to implement something like the rapid dragon palletized munitions deployment system in DCS? It would allow the Hercules to become a proper bomber.
the MOAB was made to take out bunkers and tunnel systems (and it worked at that very well) but I bet you if they just make an airbust model of it would have wipe that town off the face of the map
The problem with MOABs are they’re a big boom, but it’s more pinpointed. (It’s a big boom right there, and there, and there.). Granted they’re as much as 100 yards across. Saturation (carpet) bombing spreads the explosions all around. Any of them are big enough to take out those ships, so I would say that more bombs in this case = better effect.
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I'd like to see if you can pull off a SonderKommando Elbe attack. Large formation of B17's. Bf 109 G or K, virtually no ammo and ramming attack. All that defensive fire and the P51 escorts.
Closest we have at moment: th-cam.com/video/36u0ObNm1ys/w-d-xo.html
@@grimreapers What about swedish airforce vs carrier group?
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That's just straight up like there were Japanese pilots in the Luftwaffe
An aerial *göttlicher wind*
The C-130 has to be the most versatile aircraft ever made...lol...everything from basic cargo planes to troop transport to gun ships to you name it. I got to go up in a KC-130J when I was in Afghanistan and put warheads on foreheads. That was a C-130 fitted with 4 Hellfire missiles on a wing, a targeting pod and 10 Griffin missiles that launch out the back. Maybe not the most glamorous plane ever but is a real legend.
A cross between aircraft, jeep and dump truck.
@@suecobandito8954 Pretty much, yup. lol
4 Hellfires? Not that much compared to the size of other Hellfire platforms, but still that is insane...
@@totalnerd5674 I mean...it had 10 Griffins in the back, too...
I got an EPIC video of us SMOKING a hodgie with one, too...it unfortunately did not stand the test of time. 😥
I remember as a kid being gobsmacked that an F4 Phantom had a bigger bombload than a whole B-17. Aircraft development was crazy from 1940 to 1970
The B-17 in 1940 could only carry 4,000 lbs of bombs, the same load as a mosquito.the G version could carry 9,000 lbs.
@@timothylyons5686 G version had a max bomb load of 17,600 lbs.
@@fantabuloussnuffaluffagus normal bombload was 6000 lbs though.
@@timothylyons5686 Normal for what? Like all aircraft, range is traded for payload.
@@timothylyons5686 Timothy is a liar. In the TH-cam comment section. Christ.
The blast radius of the MOAB is one mile. It is also an air burst bomb which does not seem to be modeled in DCS. For a more accurate representation of what a strike like this could do the C-130s would have had to spread out more and the MOAB would need to air burst so you don't have them exploding in the water.
Yeah, the blast effect model for the MOAB in DCS seems way, way off. One MOAB would eliminate most of that port.
Even ground burst the 11tons of tnt equivalent would generate a glass breaking 1psi shockwave at a mile, a risky to humans 2 psi at .5miles and a damaging to humans 5psi at .29miles (assuming flat ideal terrain but of course it would drop off after a far shorter distance if it was used in a city with structures and non ideal terrain.)Airburst does drastically improve this but it doesn't make the actual lethal radius a mile even in the middle of a desert that's just a persistent myth/misunderstanding. It also doesn't leave a humongous crater as most claim. It will however when Air burst send a lung popping, reinforced building bulldozing 20psi, out to 300 meters. After that it quickly drops off though.
The explosion would wipe out the port probably, e.g. here's a recent example th-cam.com/video/jBmCegAiIFI/w-d-xo.html#t=12s
Nukee, in DCS are also graphically designed by a millennial, too (seemingly) He just said, " What"evs...," & couldn't be bothered.... The weapon's stats, context, and even Joules of energy released, plus countless videos, all publicly available!
Yeah... even tho the vehicles and environment look nice, even the explosions in Warthunder look better now 😂
The silly small explosions in DCS is its major draw back.
That's how it works in reality. Go play a video game or watch a movie. If that's your assessment, you really haven't put the time to figure out what the real ones are.
@@einarabelc5 Fanboy upset someone badmouthed his game.
@@tedburg6042 Haha.
@@einarabelc5 Have you ever seen the MOAB go off?
@@einarabelc5 I think you are the one who has never seen a MOAB go off
The MOAB looks like a 2000 LB. bomb instead of 30,000 LBS.
The MOAB has always fascinated me to be honest. The damage modeling here on impact is WAY underestimated. The initial shock wave, the basically atomizes everything instantly, should be several hundred meters in diameter. There would just be a large bald spot on the terrain after the dust settled.
Not wrecked buildings… but buildings that have disappeared altogether.
I was lucky enough to have witnessed (from a GREAT distance) a MOAB test at Eglin AFB, FL years ago. Most incredible thing I’ve ever seen. I never want to see a modern nuclear weapon used, but it’s quite literally the only thing fathomable that could be more destructive.
Russia has already used 2 MOAB’s in ukraine. Blasts so large that peoples lungs over a mile a way just collapsed.
Their thermobaric munitions are different than the MOAB but I see your point.
Somewhat comparable blast though
Another one was the 16,000lb "daisy cutter" bombs that they dropped in Vietnam to clear helicopter landing pads.
We felt the shock wave miles and miles away
Cap: "Flares for satisfaction."
Day Later: Cap standing nervously at attention before CO and angry sheep herder getting ready to explain why he felt the need to set the man's sheep on fire.
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19:30 An important consideration of who I'd rather get bombed by is, B-17s rarely hit important things. Only about 5% of bombs came within a hundred yards of target. C-130s would be more accurate, I think.
doesn't matter too much if you aim for a big city full of civilians.
@@5Andysalive Point taken, but this mission had a specific set of targets.
With a MOAB accuracy is kinda irrelevant, though you are correct. Stands for massive ordnance air burst. With an effective kill range of a 1/2 mile under ideal conditions, any glass within about a mile will shatter possibly leading to more casualties. And any building within about 300 yards being almost certainly leveled.
I think you vastly overestimate the moabs practical power. Its not leveling a 600meter diameter circle of buildings.
@@Davinator2662the RAF used the "blockbuster" in WW2 which was about half the explosive power and could be encouraged to explode as an airburst. It still needed to be aimed.
The MOABs seemed a little under powered on the damage model.
A lot underpowered. And they airburst not impact detonate.
Imagine a formation of B29's dropping 2 Grand slams....... per plane!
Not sure they could carry even one? they had to mod it to carry the fat man and little boy. I think the Victor could carry 2 and the b36 could carry the bigger american t12.
Would be cool, but the B29, while a capable bomber for WW2, actually carries very little by today's standards. The A-10 can carry almost as much as the B-29 did, and the B-52 can carry 3.5x more.
@@haytorrock3312 They modified at least 1 B29 to carry 2 Grand Slams externally
@@PotatoeJoe69 and the B-36 had a higher payload than the 52
@@notsureyou there's a shot of one with two tallboys and one with a single grand slam, 44,000 lbs is a LOT for a B29
Every so often a Lancaster flies over me. Sometimes there's a Harvard, Spitfire, Hurricane, and or Mustang around. The odd Dakota. Probably from a flying collection that resides and passes through the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum, Hamilton ON. The sound. So much sound. Every time I see a formation of bombers in a video or game I have to think, sometimes there were hundreds at a time. Add escorts. A small engine was 27 litres among 16 cylinders. The sound that many pistons in that many cylinders must have made is mind boggling.
It'd be cool if there was a Blue Angels Skin for The C-130
18:35 that's actually how C-130s would land on a short airfield; it's called a combat approach
IIRC they would do this at night to avoid AAA fire based on visibility
Those MOAB definitely didn't model correctly.
The MOAB's and FAE's generate a very large shock wave upon detination.... and a large blast damage area results. Do you think that the blast dynamics of the MOAB was represented correctly? Remember, the Daisy Cutter FAE's in Vietnam were used to create emergency LZ's .... I think that they stomped everything flat in about a 1000' radius, and the MOAB has about a 5000' blast radius. I think that the Herc's would have done much more damage ... even to the local buildings. JMHO.
I think that is smart avoiding that conflict. Stay safe!
Thermobarric is a beast...ruptures internal organs within a mile radius..
Back when I was in the USN we could catch MAC flights (Military Air Cargo) for free. They were very erratic on scheduling and no comforts what so ever, but they were free and that made them very appealing. One of my favorite flights was on the C130s. Many of them are set up for medical EVAC transfers and had litters bolted to the side walls. There was a lot of flights between all the main VA hospitals and one of them was in my home town of Indianapolis. The hop from Norfolk VA where I was based and the Indy VA was perfect. I got on and if there were empty litters, that was my seat. I slept all the way home. But it was not pleasant. Loud, cold, the cots were just canvas stretched over steel bars and the pilots were nuts. I guess jazzing up a boring cargo hop made it more tolerable. Anyways, whenever I see a C130 I always think about those days. Never been inside one with a MOAB.
You can still catch those space available rides as a retiree.
@@MrDJAK777 Yes. It's been so long since I been on one that I am sure it's all changed. But once I was competing with an Admiral's dog! True story. I was trying to hop a ride from Norfolk to Naval Air Station Key West because my parents were down there on vacation and some Admiral had his pet dog being "transferred" to his quarters on base. I begged the loadmaster, I told him I would hold the dog all the way! He actually agreed and told me to keep my mouth shut. That dog sat in his cage the whole time anyways. But that's the kind of thing that used to go on.
@@MrDJAK777 My Dad and his buddies used to catch a training flight from Pittsburgh to Tucson to play golf. They stopped doing those a while ago from the 911th though.
All those C-130s in formation was beautiful. Also loved the bomb drop.
Wow, that is one _seriously_ strong windsock pole, lol
Seeing the flight of bombers has me thinking Cap. Would it be possible for you to enact some of the later stage German attempts of fielding ME 262 and other experimental jet fighters like the ME 163 to see if you and the gang could outfly something twice your speed and protect your bomber flight?
Interesting...
It's like OUTBREAK with less Dennis Hoffman and more MOAB
Dustin,. Dustin Hoffman.
Clean Sweep
@@GLYDR I knew that didn't sound right. Thx
dropping MOAB close together might not be super effective as the first might break/destroy the later MOABs
6,000 lbs may be the in game max load of a B-17, but for a short range mission a B-17G could carry 17,600 lbs of bombs internally and externally.
Interesting.
man them B-17s look beautiful....
Suggestion. Do an SR71 intercept, based on the incident over the Baltic sea on June 29 1981.
TLDR: an SR71 had a single engine failure over the Baltic sea, Sweden scrambled Viggens to escort while the USSR launched a bunch of planes to shoot it down. Nothing happened, everyone was safe, but that could be a neat mission premise.
Imagine if a flight of B-52s had to carry period weapons, with period fuel, and give Hitler the bad news.
Wow!!! Worth watching, whichever ‘bomber’ wins!!!
Something to keep in mind is, to double the radius of bomb damage, you need to cube the amount of explosives. The MOABs should've been parachuted in, and aimed at the water, and set to detonate on the bottom of the harbor. It's not hardened like a Grand Slam, but the wave might force a fair amount of damage, and probably displace a goodly amount of water out of the harbor. Being relatively shallow, a lot of the blast is going to push air, unless it goes under a boat. Ships are tough targets for aircraft.
They figured out with nukes is there's a point where it's like detonating in the water, but instead the atmosphere gets ejected into space more or less. They also figured out accuracy is muuuuch better than increasing the blast radius, because of the equation. A 5 pound bomb becomes 125 pounds.
That also is why butterfly bombs and bomblets became so popular. Instead of a giant blast from one point, you get smaller blasts from a couple of hundred points which beats the area better. If you dropped a bunch of say, 100 pound fragmentation bombs, the effect on land would be limited, but those would poke a lot of holes and start a lot of fires if they hit tankers. Or Exocets...
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When comparing a regular iron bomb to a nuclear bomb - remember that the "explosive weight" value of a nuke is that of TNT only, while the weight given of an iron bomb is mostly steeel casing.
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Napalm is always the answer, that is the new Mazda the Niata Nx 5.
I think the idea of the c-130's is to be able to do a more precision style bombing. Especially if you modify a bomb sight on which should be fairly easy. You also have the option of dropping the MOAB's from high above. Then dropping down low to finish anything off.
The C-130’s popping flares down low looks like white phosphorus bombs used in the Pacific Theater.
Lancaster carried the 22,000lb grand slam in 1945
It's just not the same without Slim Pickens riding it down whooping and a hollering with his cowboy hat.
Before I watch the raid: I’m going to have to say 500 lbs of 1940’s bombs vs a conventional 500lb warhead have different behaviors that will lend to different results
when the Mosquito formed up the sounds!! Just magic....
At about 06:13 in this video...
IF I remember correctly from my days working on C-130s in the US Coast Guard, and IF I am seeing the imagery correctly {watching this on my smartphone}, the cargo ramps are rendered VERY SLIGHTLY inaccurately.
{I have not been around a C-130 in years, so this is from memory.}
The open cargo ramps is shown with two sets of vertical 'things' connected to it. The silver rearmost things are the hydraulic actuating cylinders, which open and close the ramp. They are correct. The darker things just forward of the cylinders are _"ramp support arms,"_ or _"grasshopper arms"_ as we nicknamed them. The _grasshopper arms_ only allow the cargo ramp to be lowered to a position level with the rest of the flight deck inside the aircraft. Were the cargo ramp to be opened _in flight_ and be lowered below that level it would start acting as _'down elevator'_ and the pilots might not be able to correct for it, and lose control of the aircraft.
_Grasshopper arms_ can be disconnected from the cargo ramp so the ramp can be lowered all the way to the ground.
I was an Enlisted Aircrewman in the USCG. I remember on one flight -- and ONLY once 😊 -- we were taxing out and I realized the _grasshopper arms_ were NOT connected to the ramp. Part of my PreFlight duties was to check the _grasshopper arms_ to make sure they were connected properly. {The cargo ramp and door were closed anyway, so it was no immediate problem.} I reconnected them before we took off.
*EDIT→* All the C-130s I worked on in the USCG were PRE-J Models. The Herks modeled here appear to be J-Models. From what little I know of the J's their _grasshopper arms_ are a bit different. HOWEVER, I _THINK_ they still are connected in flight, and disconnected to lower the cargo ramp all the way on the ground.
the fires would totally destroy everything in the end.
Thanks for respecting the current difficulties.
"I'll see you all in Hell, or something" 😆
Just think you lit all them fields on fire with them flairs lmao
Interesting point, what if you did a low-level flyby in the C-130's, and lit-off the "Angel Wings" at low altitude over the town?
It doesn't deliver as much explosive as a single loaded B17. The MOAB delivers a much broader lower power explosive force that does a lot more structural damage and sets almost everything on fire, but it still isn't as powerful as the 16,000lbs of TNT that a pair of B17 would drop. The MOAB is basically a portable flaming hurricane force wind. It isn't even the strongest bomb that a C130 can carry. Commando Bull BLU82 is the 15,000lbs TNT "daisy cutter" weapon and the C130 can carry two of them, one set with a ground contact fuse and the other with a shock over-pressure switch detonator. The combo was tested *once* and never used in combat. The MOAB, without its sled, can be carried by a Skycrane.
Relatively empty for landing full flaps use threshold 110, touchdown 99. In the groove 135, then full flaps 125 short final round out, over the fence 110 on the numbers 99.
Hilarious. C130 has actually weapons on bord. Neat module. I guess ac130 is not far away?
AC130 is here, its just that the weapon's articulation doesn't play nice
@@totalnerd5674 as a Modul would be nice
If you fill the air with enough chaff, will the 8.8cm flak be proxy fused by all the falling aluminum. Would all that chaff create a safety net from flak for the c130s?
I have not seen if others made the comment, but real MOABs are GPS guided so even without a bomb sight you would have trouble missing. I also think that the 500lb bombs would be GBU-38s so you could pick individual targets before takeoff.
Would have expected bigger booms,,,, next time... Daisy Cutters
Oh my. Could we have a "do over" of this raid, using 4 B52Hs using 500 lb bombs? That would be thrilling to get to see some more GR carpet bombing.
Maybe one of my favorite videos to date. Incredible
The C130 is a gritty inspiring work house of an Aircraft
The Lancaster could deliver a single bomb that weighed 22,000 pounds, so I think it depends who’s airforce you’re referring to,and which bomber
C-130 is an aircraft I'd really love to see I'm DCS, especially in Gunship & also Spooky mode. Just seems like it would be a blast to fly a Herky Bird.
Well then you are in luck because they are making an official module. It's been announced already.
A question... does DCS have the rocket assist takeoffs for the C-130? just curious....
he uses it at 7:30
@@briarrandolph307 ya saw that after you mentioned it, I guess DCS just doesn't animate it very well ... my bad.. th-cam.com/video/9ruTLD9pFao/w-d-xo.html
4:20 "The bomber always gets through"
How about the same scenario, but using AC-130 gunships?
I suggest you would not activate the master arm until after takeoff. Keeping things inert until near the target might be a better choice.
Actual MOABs, that many, would've put western france into the drink...
C130 has a nickname angel of death if I remember my military career
Fun fact: They've actually launched and recovered C-130s on AIRCRAFT CARRIERS! There's your next video. 😁
I second this request.
They have done this
@@lohrtom
GR has? I'll try to find that vid.
The angel of death flares ahhh memories
Man I gotta get back into DCS with all the new aircraft avaliable. Haven't played in about a year.
Cap, at about 04:48 in this video:
*_"Oh, I love my job."_*
🤭🤭🤭
One of the most horrifying rides I’d my life was in a C-130.
I have way more take-offs than landings in one.
@@dampsok>>> My ratio in US Coast Guard Herks is even...🤭
@@dampsok>>> Paratrooper?
@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman Yeah, went to the schoolhouse in 2007. many years with the 82nd after.
@@dampsok>>> Rodger that...👍
The Mosquito in front of C130 look like an air meeting flying formation
Very good video CAP!
Now that they have the C-130 and the Malvinas, they are encouraged to reproduce the attack of the FAA C-130 on the tanker "Hercules" in the Malvinas war.
Greetings from Argentina!.
MassiveOrdanceAirBusrst is sometimes called the "mother of all bombs" yet unlike many bombs it is never intended to reach the ground or target. The last two charters are critical "AB - Air Burst" since it is designed to release the explosive content in the air prior to detonation.
The MOAB doesn't detonate on impact. It has a proximity fuse and is an air burst bomb. This creates greater destruction.
Honestly the big advantage of the modern warheads is the GPS to keep them closer to the targets. If you're planning timing and everything you can increase the damage to a center by trying to encircle a bullseye to get concussive blasts to hit each other.
The Air Force is testing the Rapid Dragon Missile System. C141's can carry 5 of palletized cruise missle packs that have 6 cruise missles each.
Hey Cap, correction on the bomb load of the B-17G. Max internal bomb load is 9,600lb. According to Boeing and Britanica. Max bomb load however was 17,600lbs with the use of external ordinance hard points. According to aviation history online. I also have other books that source this. One can also look at the period manuals to confirm this. Looking forward to the vid.
Cap the take off of the AC 130s was indeed absolutely satisfying.
Love the 'pathfinder' mosquito!
Cap: Right guys lets go to france and bomb it!
French viewers: YEAH LETS GO TO........ wait what?
I’m still laughing at the thought of trying to drop a MOAB without first dropping the ramp.
I would imagine that dropping a MOAB would make for a need to quickly reset the trim… that’s a lot of weight shifting from center to tail to gone.
Wonder what b-52s would do to the same target
You had me at MOAB!
Flare salute was terrific!!
you forgot to eject ya rocket pods ^^
I love these sci-fi scenarios modern vs WW2! Maybe something about modern Polish Air Force vs WW2 Luftwaffe?
I feel valued.
Look up 'Tallboy', and 'Grand Slam' bombs carried by the Royal Airforce Lancaster in WWII.
😂 your comment on : i love my job
MOAB: When you want to send to your enemy the BIGGEST non-nuclear
"🖕🖕" you can, accept no substitute...🤭
Since there was a lot of water around probably several MOAB's hit that water which might have dispersed the explosive force. Maybe you can try the formations again against solid targets on land, so, that if even a MOAB does not hit the target directly the blast force of hitting land will destroy that target anyway.
The MOAB is also laser guided.
I feel like, properly utilized, a MOAB would demolish a ship and the 4 surrounding it in a close port.
Hi Cap, would you guys be able to implement something like the rapid dragon palletized munitions deployment system in DCS?
It would allow the Hercules to become a proper bomber.
Yup! Alraedy trying to get it working.
ED should model the fires started by your flares on takeoff
I love it when you guys do science
Science is important for robust health!
idk if you have heard but darpa bc said that they are gonna make a sea viesion of the c-130
and gert vid btw i love what you do
Forty B-17s attacking a port? I think I hear Tirpitz crying in fear.
At least the fortresses weren't carrying tallboys
Now a 7 MOAB loaded Hercules??? That's where Tirpitz had better be afraid
You have to do this with each bombers from countries who had/has bombers
the MOAB was made to take out bunkers and tunnel systems (and it worked at that very well) but I bet you if they just make an airbust model of it would have wipe that town off the face of the map
The problem with MOABs are they’re a big boom, but it’s more pinpointed. (It’s a big boom right there, and there, and there.). Granted they’re as much as 100 yards across. Saturation (carpet) bombing spreads the explosions all around. Any of them are big enough to take out those ships, so I would say that more bombs in this case = better effect.
Now show what 2x B-1Bs could do. As they casually carry more ordnance than those 40 bombers, faster and higher.
The B-17's fire was much better.