TRRS 440: CSX Train Ripped Apart - Railcar Destroyed!

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  • May 7, 2015, McCords, MI -- CSX's Q335, heading downgrade with 197 cars, pulled apart, setting the train into emergency on the hill. When the train stopped, the conductor walked back to find...
    This is the story of the Q335 who pulled the draft/coupling gear clean off of a Coil Car.
    Following the incident, with the remainder of the train tied down, we're treated to a show as the train attempts Fox Hill with 150 cars at restricted speed. The ensuing events are quite spectacular!
    Follow along with these events in this episode of the Thornapple River Rail Series!
    NOTE: please refrain from bashing the crew. They are faultless in this case. The slack was in, as they were going downhill, when a pair of low-hanging air hoses hit the crossing at Snow Road, in just such a way as to break the line and cause an emergency application on the rear end.
    This in turn caused the rear of the train to go into emergency while the head end charged onwards. This pulled the slack out in one big bang, which found a weak spot, evidently.
    So, please respect the railroaders involved, who did an admirable job in the aftermath to figure things out and get things moving again, after a random failure which could have collected almost any train. Sometimes these things happen, it just looks worse when you've got a massive barge.
    Consist:
    - CSX 317 [CW44AC]
    - CSX 403 [CW44AC]
    - CSX 7665 [C40-8W]
    - 197 cars [Mixed]
    - --- 150 cars ahead of the break (including the gon left behind at McCords)
    - --- 151st car, west end coupler pulled out, from there back left on the hill at McCords)
    Location/Time:
    - Approximate Pull-apart site: CSX Plymouth Sub, Alto, MI, Snow Rd xing, on 5-7-15 at 16:45 EDT
    - Head-end shot at Thornapple: Along Thornapple Bayou Rd, at 17:55
    - Rear-end shot: Alto, MI, McCords Rd xing, from 18:15 to 19:00
    - WB Departure: Thornapple River Bridge, at 19:09
    - Cascade Twp, Thornapple River Dr overpass, at 19:26
    - Cascade Twp, Kraft Ave cul-de-sac, at 19:36
    - Grand Rapids, along Market Ave/Sunnyside, at 20:12
    Train was WB when around Snow road the 151st suffered a west-end coupler failure. Train separates, into emergency. Random failure results in pulling the whole coupler box from a coil car. After securing a gon with the coupler still hanging off, the head 149 cars are taken to Grand Rapids. An extra crew called to Lansing to take these cars back to Lansing, setout the coil car, and then take the train back to GRP, all overnight.
    Thanks for watching! Don’t forget to share this video, like and subscribe to Thornapple River Rail Series!
    Like TRRS on Facebook! / thornappleriverproduct...
    Equipment: Sony PJ790 Camcorder
    Copyright 2015 Thornapple River Rail Series
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  • @RayVal53
    @RayVal53 7 ปีที่แล้ว +204

    Im glad you remembered to point out the crew wasnt at fault. Most people seem to forget that or even look into things before attacking. Good on you man.

    • @patrickmcleod111
      @patrickmcleod111 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      No way dude, it was Trump's fault! I know there's absolutely NO link whatsoever between the president and this particular train, but since when do "links", or evidence matter these days? As long as something bad happens somewhere, the media will blame Trump! Of course it be the Russians! Just ask Rachel Maddow, or "Morning Joe" Scarborough, or anyone else at CNN, MSNBC, etc.

    • @elteescat
      @elteescat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@patrickmcleod111 yes! Because of his rhetoric the train supremacists just got too bold and attacked those innocent cars whose only fault was being after the 151st car!

    • @patrickmcleod111
      @patrickmcleod111 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@elteescat Exactly! Hateful rhetoric(words) was the catalyst, as it always is. Words are SO dangerous! Its why we desperately need to criminalize words and speech, to prevent train derailment, AND Naziism! Of course it's crucial that ONLY people from just ONE side of the political spectrum should have THEIR speech criminalized! That's because we know that people from the left NEVER say hateful or negative things!
      Sure, they may verbally call for police officers to be arbitrarily assaulted and murdered, but that's nothing compared with those evil conservatives, moderates(and even traditional liberals) who openly discuss corruption and bad policies of democrats! We can't have that. If someone were to find out that a Democrat was legitimately involved in corruption, that person may get "angry", and anger "may" lead to violence! We can't take the risk..... The 1st amendment must fall, in the name of virtuousness!

    • @elteescat
      @elteescat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@patrickmcleod111 🤣🤣🤣

    • @williamfritz189
      @williamfritz189 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@patrickmcleod111 bs

  • @CKOD
    @CKOD 8 ปีที่แล้ว +266

    You sir get a like for not having a dumb intro, followed by 2 minutes of silence and nothing happening. Keep up the good editing.

    • @delano62
      @delano62 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I know what you mean there.

    • @ScottDLR
      @ScottDLR 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'd give a hundred thumbs up for this if I could!!!

  • @williswhatchutalkinbout4367
    @williswhatchutalkinbout4367 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I hope this young TH-cam channel owner/narrator becomes an engineer, or whatever your dream is within the industry. You seem very passionate about this. Good luck buddy.

  • @FishplateFilms
    @FishplateFilms 8 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    Fantastic catch, great camera work and narration! One of the most interesting videos I've seen in a while, I was expecting to see a busted knuckle, but had a laugh seeing the whole box hanging on for the ride..LOL . The Dash8 earned her money that day!
    Top stuff, cheers Gregg.

  • @ponkkaa
    @ponkkaa 8 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    Why the hell would anybody vote this down? Interesting stuff...well filmed. Keep up the goodwork

    • @markmireles3394
      @markmireles3394 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Maybe they felt that the word "destroyed" was a bit of an exaggeration.

    • @indridcold8433
      @indridcold8433 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      It was a retarded feminist that thinks trains are phallic and a symbol of the patriarchy. She believes all freight should be moved by a pontoon hulled ship with the opening between the two pontoons clearly visible from far away. Those are the only people stupid enough to vote a video this good down.

    • @willtolive2252
      @willtolive2252 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@indridcold8433 I agree

    • @CSX_Doolittle
      @CSX_Doolittle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They disliked because they problem hate csx

    • @macinfloydvolk
      @macinfloydvolk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah interesting video but the dude sucks at narrating - thinks he’s on an NPR podcast or something. Or some public access railroad show with stock footage

  • @davecasler
    @davecasler 7 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Very cool and thanks for the explanation. I have always marveled that every car has to be strong enough to tow the entire train behind it. (I'm a beginning railfan.)

    • @Mr.Whiskers
      @Mr.Whiskers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's something that I've never really thought about till now (even though it's common sense), and I feel like that's something I'm going to remember for a very long time.

  • @softclipping4829
    @softclipping4829 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Stunning video, never seen a train ripped apart before, many thanks for the lovely HD quality too.

  • @csx4402
    @csx4402 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One of the best displays of power management under a full load.

  • @kevinlynch1227
    @kevinlynch1227 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A 197 car freight train is only as strong as its weakest coupler box!!
    Excellent, well done video and narration explanation!!

  • @TheBowassassin
    @TheBowassassin 8 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    good job on this video this sounds like a young person and he has a very good understanding of what is going on I was a engineer on csx cv sub for 14 years and this is a impressive young person keep up the good work I always told my cubs I would rather have common sense than book smarts any day

    • @77thTrombone
      @77thTrombone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      As one with a master's degree, I say, "So true." You can't buy common sense, and you can't inject it either.

  • @gregr1672
    @gregr1672 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good video work! I responded to many pull a parts in my days.cushioning units ripped out,sills cracked in half ,you name it . Always interesting . I learned more than a few tricks to get things expedited and moving again.Sadly nowadays,rail car periodic maintenance is a long forgotten thing. The companies react when equipment fails rather than being pro active with maintenance. There are so so many accidents just waiting to happen it would make your head spin! The new normal I guess! 42 years in heavy repair shops,wreck truck work,inspections ,kind of saw it all and the lack of maintenance and lack of knowledge is just phenomenal! The railroads run in spite of their leadership ,not because of it!

  • @EdWittenable
    @EdWittenable 9 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Excellent narration. It makes the video much more interesting when you know the story behind it.

    • @stevegibson2255
      @stevegibson2255 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I know I've told you this before but your style of narration is very very good. Enjoyable to listen to but also very educational as well. Keep up the great work.

  • @thepatatokid1440
    @thepatatokid1440 5 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Flex tape! IT FIXES EVERYTHING

  • @ICUNA22
    @ICUNA22 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    One correction; the knuckle pin bears no draft load, that's the knuckle's job. In fact once a knuckle is locked, the knuckle pin can be removed without any effect on draft forces.

  • @raritanriverrailroadfan4418
    @raritanriverrailroadfan4418 9 ปีที่แล้ว +202

    Classic CSX. We move tomorrow because we didn't move today.

    • @cdavid8139
      @cdavid8139 7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Classic BS railfan comment. Huge railroad running profitably, safely and efficiently and that is not good enough for railfans. Pathetic

    • @friendlyfire2615
      @friendlyfire2615 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      It was just a joke! Also what do you mean that's not good enough for him?

    • @bnsfbandit9807
      @bnsfbandit9807 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cdavid8139 EXACTLY

    • @myeyeisnotblue
      @myeyeisnotblue 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Can you take a joke?

    • @ryanstuckey8677
      @ryanstuckey8677 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      c david since when do they do any of the things you mention

  • @louisvilleslugger3979
    @louisvilleslugger3979 7 ปีที่แล้ว +685

    They must have been trying to pull my ex-wife's makeup bag

  • @polikwaptiwache397
    @polikwaptiwache397 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    A railfan learning experience thanks for posting!!

  • @jesphotosvideo7571
    @jesphotosvideo7571 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for the complete and accurate explanation of events.

  • @dennisammann9104
    @dennisammann9104 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You sir are a GREAT narrator, video artist, and extremely knowledgeable railroad expert! Thanks for putting this informative RR video together for us Rail Fans. 😀👍🚂

  • @screemingturbo8806
    @screemingturbo8806 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love the old GE locomotives especially the c40-8s and dash 9s. Just that low 4 stroke grumble!

  • @norbertsteinkamp9380
    @norbertsteinkamp9380 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I like listening to your narration; very informative and voiced in a pleasing way! Appreciate the good work!

  • @espeescotty
    @espeescotty 8 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Great camera work and documentation of this event. The DC traction motors in that trailing C40-8W must have been screaming for mercy by the time they reached the top of the hill, but nice to see it hung in there all the way to the top.

    • @rherman9085
      @rherman9085 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I have to concur. This was awesome and thank you for your efforts!!

    • @timothyspaulding6410
      @timothyspaulding6410 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      eSPeeScotty thinksp

    • @brehmerman57
      @brehmerman57 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea right 😂

    • @send2gl
      @send2gl 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why would the trailing one be different? Not a railway man so not sure of the mechanics.

    • @Max-eh8gk
      @Max-eh8gk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@send2gl the first two looked like AC4400s. They have AC motors, which do fine at any speed. The last unit was a C40-8W(?) which has DC motors. DC motors can only run at low speeds for a limited time before damage occurs.

  • @contemporaryrailwayscenes8125
    @contemporaryrailwayscenes8125 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video, you can really see those locos putting in some heavy work on that gradient. In the UK we refer to the black exhaust as 'Clag'. Class 47s in particular were known for it.

  • @dennisnicholson952
    @dennisnicholson952 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You may already be aware of this but what happened on that CSX train wasn't an uncommon occurance during steam days before the advent of m.u. or multiple-unit connections that are found on diesel locomotives where in an engineer can control multiple units. In steam days, when tackling a grade with more than one locomotive, each one had its own engineer who had to coordinate the speed of his engine with that of his counterpart.

  • @011dave
    @011dave 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    thanks for sharing and another reason why the railroad companies must not go for single crew member on freight trains

    • @valf1733
      @valf1733 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      they have at least 2 in the engine.....

  • @eiserntorsphantomoftheoper2154
    @eiserntorsphantomoftheoper2154 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This was a very professional video. The narration was superb.

  • @ultrafox2773
    @ultrafox2773 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't believe I didn't find or hear about this until now I've lived in Grand Rapids for the past 18 years. I just found your channel and instantly subscribed!

  • @Jwitkowski1
    @Jwitkowski1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    little Johny: Daddy! Hows work?
    Dad, I tore my train apart.
    Johny at school:
    My dad's so strong, he tore a train apart with his hands!

  • @Millenniumforce
    @Millenniumforce 8 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    great catch

    • @flyaround5953
      @flyaround5953 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      And I though your knuckle breaking video was the worst that could happen to a train crew, guess the train gremlins got a little destructive with one of the cars. XD

    • @75732
      @75732 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Mason RaithbyVenesoen me too

  • @benchedthatpiece
    @benchedthatpiece 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That was very interesting, great job on this!

  • @davidbouwman4528
    @davidbouwman4528 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great videos! Great narrating and very informative! Really cool to see stuff so close to home!!

  • @christophertaylor4394
    @christophertaylor4394 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you for that video. I thoroughly enjoyed your work and coverage of that event!

  • @mudkow60
    @mudkow60 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Cool video and good information. ..thanks for sharing.

  • @LasVegas68
    @LasVegas68 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video and excellent Narration! You spoke when you needed to and then just let the video play out. Hope to see more of your video's.

  • @marciam6224
    @marciam6224 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice job and nice to see something fairly local. My FIL worked for C&O for decades.

  • @jayyoutube8790
    @jayyoutube8790 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My father is a retired Conrail engineer of 46 yrs. I've always been a fan of trains of all kinds.. Good video.. Great job

  • @edfrawley4356
    @edfrawley4356 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hmm learned a new term today. "Coupler box". Interesting terminology since there is no such animal. The box like structure which runs down the center of a rail car is the center sill. At the ends of the car there are sets of draft lugs which keep the draft gear in its proper place and transfer the forces of the draft gear to the center sill. The weight of the draft gear is carried by a strap which is riveted (like the draft lugs) to the center sill. In this incident the center sill suffered a catastrophic failure which probably could have been prevented with proper inspections.
    Another point. Once the trainline breaks and pressure drops, the ENTIRE train goes into emergency ( I believe that this would include the loco's). You cannot throw the tail end into emergency unless you close the valve to maintain pressure ahead of the break. To do so would be a deliberate act of sabotage.
    E Frawley Carman CN GO (retired)

    • @ThornappleRiverRailSeries
      @ThornappleRiverRailSeries  4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Hi Ed - thanks for your explanation - indeed I termed it "coupler box" due to more railfan familiarity with that term from model railroading, and I did not want to get into the nitty gritty details of sills, draft gear, etc. I'm glad folks like you step in and fill in those blanks for the inquiring. I am no carman, just a lowly civil engineer in training! haha

    • @KingdaToro
      @KingdaToro 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Any change in brake pipe pressure, whether by deliberate brake application or a break in the pipe, will take some time to propagate along the length of the train. In a train this long, a pressure loss near the rear of the train will have the rear in full emergency braking well before the loco's brakes apply.

    • @edfrawley4356
      @edfrawley4356 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KingdaToro a couple seconds for an entire train to dynamite. Probably faster than the slack will run out

    • @77thTrombone
      @77thTrombone 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And to put the braking in still further perspective, there's an EOT on the last car with an RF link to the lead loco.
      When the BP ruptures, the pressure drop propagates in both directions, to either end of the train. As the pressure drop reaches a certain level at each car, the car's triple valve makes an emergency application and vents the BP to accelerate the drop.
      When the drop reaches the EOT, the EOT will send an RF signal to the HOT indicating BP pressure loss.
      So: in this case, where BP ruptured between cars 150 & 197, it's likely the loco blew an emergency in response to the EOT report. If the rupture happened at, say, car 50, the loco would've detected the BP drop first.

    • @rxrcond4life
      @rxrcond4life 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Rear end applications on 8800' trains takes up to 15 to 20 seconds to reach the head end. (45 years as a Conductor on SP/UP). 9 years building out intermodal/double stack trains at ICTF and City of Industry, CA...

  • @jerrysinclair3771
    @jerrysinclair3771 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Talk about chasing a train. I bet you didn't have to worry about breaking any speed limits as long as Q335 was running Restricted Speed for the duration. Great video and narration!

  • @robertterry9367
    @robertterry9367 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great description I enjoyed the video-Thank you!

  • @jamesrivis620
    @jamesrivis620 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great comprehensive coverage.

  • @GrnArrow092
    @GrnArrow092 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I was surprised to see that MMA boxcar at the 1:22 mark. That is from the now defunct Montreal, Maine and Atlantic Railroad. After the Lac Megantic disaster in 2013, MMA went bankrupt and was purchased by Fortress Investment Group to form the Central Maine and Quebec Railway. It's quite rare to see any rail equipment from Maine out this far west. Normally railroads that operate in the northeast keep their cars within the region.

  • @mikeday62
    @mikeday62 9 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    On my N scale RR the coupler boxes are plastic......much stronger.

    • @floridianrailauto9032
      @floridianrailauto9032 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't think plastic is stronger than steel

    • @sirensandrailroadsofoklahoma
      @sirensandrailroadsofoklahoma 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      R/Woooosh

    • @floridianrailauto9032
      @floridianrailauto9032 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Go back to your subreddit if you think that's a joke, it's not a good one@@sirensandrailroadsofoklahoma

    • @trainzguy2472
      @trainzguy2472 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@floridianrailauto9032 still r/woooooooooooooooooosh

    • @floridianrailauto9032
      @floridianrailauto9032 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@trainzguy2472 Can you wooosh yourself back to your toxic subreddit too?

  • @cindystrachan8566
    @cindystrachan8566 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow. Great video! Nice photography, and instead of 15 minutes of pictures you give lots of details information about what may have happened and what was done about it. Not boring in the least. Thank you.

  • @stanjelinek62
    @stanjelinek62 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wonderful video, love your narrating.

  • @m3pilot86
    @m3pilot86 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Gotta be really frustrating for the crew when something like that happens. Big delay, can’t get normal speed, and very late to destination.

    • @25mfd
      @25mfd 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      naw they don't care too much... stuff like this is par for the course when you work a pool turn... as long as the PAY CLOCK is ticking them guys are okay

  • @artmccomeskey738
    @artmccomeskey738 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    ....this is Cole Steam reporting with CSX News

  • @fredbaumann4472
    @fredbaumann4472 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent and very informative narration. Thank you!

  • @Phantom-Signal
    @Phantom-Signal 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent work my friend. Keep them coming. Very informative

  • @kevin_1979
    @kevin_1979 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    7665 looks like she's going to need a beer after that run.

    • @ThatsMrMark
      @ThatsMrMark 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂😂😂😂

  • @michaelbowman7558
    @michaelbowman7558 8 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Some car inspector is getting points off of their evaluation! 😄

    • @brianpask790
      @brianpask790 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Michael Bowman i

    • @cnrmoose
      @cnrmoose 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What car inspector??? CSX got rid of all of them. They couldn't care less about maintenance. Just got to keep the stock price up.

  • @misterflibble6601
    @misterflibble6601 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sometimes TH-cam suggestions are spot on. Great job, especially the narration

  • @mikedavis5397
    @mikedavis5397 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great narration ,,,thank you !!

  • @pepedrat2982
    @pepedrat2982 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent commentary.
    A true expert, and good with the English language.
    It must have taken great effort to make that river bridge so ugly.

    • @michiganmotorsports
      @michiganmotorsports 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Judging by the riveted connections, it was probably built before 1915. Functional not pretty.

    • @odb_roc_hound4186
      @odb_roc_hound4186 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I will take a truss bridge for looks over the current boring concrete designs. The most boring of which are the over used cable-stayed designs currently in vogue, (see the Tappan Zee replacement).

  • @themadcatter5849
    @themadcatter5849 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Conductor: I think I might go fishing when I get off, or climb in the stand. We should tie up at 1600
    Train: So much for your early quit.
    Dispatcher: I got a 1800 relief crew coming with the van.
    Lol soo speaking from experience

  • @paulkirkmanMYTRAINS
    @paulkirkmanMYTRAINS 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very nicely done video. Your narration was excellent.

  • @nitramretep
    @nitramretep 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video, great narration too. Thanks!

  • @danwat1234
    @danwat1234 8 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Would have been awesome to see the 151st car with the couple box ripped out

  • @rayford21
    @rayford21 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very good videography and excellent narration...thank you.

    • @cdavid8139
      @cdavid8139 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well said. Other railfan photographers should take note.

  • @jimbos1567
    @jimbos1567 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very well done. Excellent video, and very articulate commentary.

  • @RailfanTubeNetwork
    @RailfanTubeNetwork 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Crazy! Awesome video!

  • @thegeforce6625
    @thegeforce6625 6 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Hey, My dads a director and he says "Good video making craft. Nice to see in a world of shaky cam and meaningless narration. Well done"

    • @ThornappleRiverRailSeries
      @ThornappleRiverRailSeries  6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thanks! Try my best to keep the quality up!

    • @andrewjones-productions
      @andrewjones-productions 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ThornappleRiverRailSeries As a professional in the filmmaking industry, I'll second GeForce's Father. Your narration kept the whole thing flowing and made it more of a documentary that wasn't unnecessarily long and informative. I only have a passing interest in trains and you also helped to educate. Very good job indeed.

  • @easyamp123
    @easyamp123 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Excellent video and great narration? Entertaining

  • @starguard4122
    @starguard4122 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great Video. This reminds me of the TONS of HO Scale trains I have boxed up in my home that I haven't ran in years. Maybe its time to break them out into the light for a little exercise. Also, at 03:59 you stated that the coil car was scrapped on site. Was it carrying a load? If so, was the load damaged in any way?

  • @desertfoxx1823
    @desertfoxx1823 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid, very informative and narration! Keep up the awesome work =)

  • @markwilliams2620
    @markwilliams2620 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Used a Kadee #5 when they should of used a #4.
    More likely another case of Michigan cancer. Rust never sleeps.

    • @dethronekingmma1246
      @dethronekingmma1246 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ofc like everyone else on youtube ur a Expert.

    • @Skyfire_The_Goth
      @Skyfire_The_Goth 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dethronekingmma1246 He was making a model railroad reference joke, kadee makes model railroad couplers. As for the rust, he's right, that's really the only thing that can explain how the whole assembly, box and all came off the railcar like that, as that is not supposed to be a fail point, the pins are what are supposed to fail before anything else. Also, yes, model railroaders are more knowledgeable about railroads and how they work than most non-railroad workers as we usually strive for a more realistic model railroad and research into things to make the models as close to the real thing as possible.

  • @mow4ncry
    @mow4ncry 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    1 more thing the person who last inspected this car did not do it right , or the defect would have been seen. The box did not just fail, it had to have stress cracks that should have been seen. By the way the coupler release lever is called a cut lever.A very nice video too by the way, you don't often get to witness something like this happen.

  • @robertdblack7179
    @robertdblack7179 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video mate, thanks for sharing.

  • @joecallen932
    @joecallen932 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I normally don't like any music, etc during my train vids...but your dialogue was both informative and interesting. Subbed!

  • @steameister
    @steameister 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Looks like the center sill (frame) just decided to give up the ghost. May be metal fatigue or those ever present "gremlins" Just another day of railroading.

    • @Buckneccid
      @Buckneccid 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      look a little closer, there are football patches on the center sill. It's been cut out and re-welded in place at some time in the past. (Retired carman, I've cut more than a few cars down, shortened the center sill and made a different type car from it on programs @ Raceland Car Shops. Never worked a Gon program in that area, but I'd say it was poor welding from someone.

  • @SuburbAllied
    @SuburbAllied 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What about the second locomotive, the one that was in the middle, why isn't it in use (or is it), as it appears on the video to be shut off?

    • @unclespongehead
      @unclespongehead 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm a noob, but I thought the same thing. Not that I'm saying you're a noob :-)

    • @rickboivin7732
      @rickboivin7732 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is a guess but 403 might have been there for dynamic braking effort. Theoretically, you wouldn't need the prime mover lit to harvest electricity from the motors to divert to the resistors. I have no idea if locomotives are designed to do that.

    • @Jeremy974
      @Jeremy974 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rickboivin7732 The C40-8W is capable of MU Operation, thus a Prime Mover can be idling or shut off during operation because power from other engines within the consist can be harvested by the traction motors of the middle or trailing unit, sometimes lead, but it's not as common as middle or trailing, about the braking effort part, you're right, it also helps into having a greater brake efficiency, thus, shriking breaking distances dramastically, a 197 car consist with 2 engines would take approximately 2 miles to stop, with 3 engines but one with an idle or shut off prime mover, you can reduce that to 1.6 miles.

    • @rickboivin7732
      @rickboivin7732 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jeremy974 'slug' operation confuses me. Are prime movers generally designed to provide more electricity than the drive motors can use?

  • @WhiteRiverRails
    @WhiteRiverRails 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video! Pretty wild event!

  • @leighmackay7486
    @leighmackay7486 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    An excellent video made even better by informed and clearly presented commentary. Well done.

  • @ehsnils
    @ehsnils 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Looks like it could be metal fatigue. And I understand then if they scrapped that car, probably the safest way to handle that problem.
    And it's things that happens, nothing the crew could have done about it. Probably hard to spot at maintenance too unless you knew what you were looking for.

    • @ralfie8801
      @ralfie8801 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ehsnils
      It's not that hard, GP-38s are prone to this and we have a task at inspection time to inspect the coupler pockets for cracks. If they're cracked, it's usually in the gussets in the corners. We arc gouge the cracks out and weld it all back up, gooder than new!

    • @dougmcmullen4713
      @dougmcmullen4713 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably should have been scrapped 15 years ago!

    • @timothyterrell1658
      @timothyterrell1658 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ralfie8801 you see this sort of thing in fifth wheel plates in tank trailers , cracks corosion, wear. Rain water , cemical spilled. Sometimes they are in very poor condition by the time for inspection.

    • @ralfie8801
      @ralfie8801 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Timothy Terrell
      Railroad equipment is a bit different. They have periodic Federal inspections mandated by the FRA. I don't know what the time period is on rail cars, but on locomotives it's quarterly, with some inspections of safety related equipment being daily.

    • @coreyschmidt1647
      @coreyschmidt1647 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah, that's not much to fix, they'll roll it into a GBW, Watco, or one of the dozens of other railcar rebuilders around the country and it'll roll back out looking like new.

  • @BessemerLakeErie902
    @BessemerLakeErie902 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Awesome Video! Why were the engines (especially the dash 8) smoking so much?

    • @ThornappleRiverRailSeries
      @ThornappleRiverRailSeries  7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You answered your own question: Dash 8. haha

    • @BessemerLakeErie902
      @BessemerLakeErie902 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Thornapple River Rail Series How does Dash 8 answer the question? I am confused.

    • @ThornappleRiverRailSeries
      @ThornappleRiverRailSeries  7 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      They're old, worn out engines being asked to give everything. Naturally, they'll pour smoke.

    • @BessemerLakeErie902
      @BessemerLakeErie902 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Thornapple River Rail Series Ok thanks! Now I see how I answered my own question!!

    • @uploadJ
      @uploadJ 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Over-rich mixture, as in non-stoichiometrically correct fuel-to-air mixture. Sometimes done to achieve maximum power while sacrificing economy.

  • @michaelbarr7966
    @michaelbarr7966 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent narrative. It helps to know what is going on. Mike from Denver

  • @robkal56
    @robkal56 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those things are incredibly impressive. The crazy amount of weight they are able to move is a testament to modern train engineering. That can be one dangerous job.

  • @loupole5654
    @loupole5654 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    That is inconvenient at best!
    No footage of the other end of the broken car?

    • @ThornappleRiverRailSeries
      @ThornappleRiverRailSeries  7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Quarter mile from the crossing, so no, unfortunately. There is a photo out there of the coil car still sitting in Lansing from a few months ago, but I can't link in comments.

    • @loupole5654
      @loupole5654 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Still interesting, thanks for posting!

    • @gianttiger5126
      @gianttiger5126 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lou Pole

    • @25mfd
      @25mfd 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      No. Inconvenient would be the knuckle breaking. This Is the worst possible scenario for a break-in-two.

  • @denisetindall3313
    @denisetindall3313 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like train videos on you tube🎄

  • @BrianW._1313
    @BrianW._1313 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That ole Dash-8 putting on a Great Show...!! *Long Live the "Tier 0" locomotive...!!! sweet vid.

  • @rubenclemente8469
    @rubenclemente8469 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So trains are like horses, once something goes wrong you put it out of it's misery!

    • @ThornappleRiverRailSeries
      @ThornappleRiverRailSeries  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Or not...that car is still sitting in Lansing, where it was setoff later that night...wonder if the broken off stuff is still laying in the right of way there in Whitneyville?

    • @lawrencecarr4973
      @lawrencecarr4973 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ThornappleRiverRailSeries good video I just subscribed

  • @ColAngus
    @ColAngus 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Not gonna buy anymore railcars made in China! ;)
    BTW I really enjoyed the shot on the bridge @ 05:47.

    • @ThornappleRiverRailSeries
      @ThornappleRiverRailSeries  8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Except, there aren't really any freight cars in North America assembled in China...

    • @ColAngus
      @ColAngus 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thornapple River Rail Series
      Was just kidding, that's why I put the winking smiley. :)

    • @clevelandmaker7044
      @clevelandmaker7044 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Thornapple River Rail Series that car was done anyway.....that's metal fatigue! !!

    • @ferky123
      @ferky123 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's Gyna nor China, geesh get your countries straight. ;-)

  • @jaredklock8754
    @jaredklock8754 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video , and great commentary on what happened

  • @stevegibson2255
    @stevegibson2255 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video which was not only interesting but fun to watch and also easy to follow. The great narration was also well done - easy to listen to, fun to follow and interesting. Thanks for posting

  • @kleetus92
    @kleetus92 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Would probably go alittle quicker with the middle engine running... but.. that's GE for ya.

    • @ZeldaTheSwordsman
      @ZeldaTheSwordsman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It actually _was_ running, it was just under less strain due to its position, so it wasn't smoking and chugging as much. The train was going slowly because of regulations - the damage forced them to operate at restricted speed in case of strained couplers elsewhere in the train.

    • @ziiofswe
      @ziiofswe 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It had a different paint job, might have been newer and thus in better shape. Healthy engines smoke less.

    • @cdavid8139
      @cdavid8139 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Typical railfan comment. The reality is that over the last decade or so GE has been producing amazing equipment.

    • @floridianrailauto9032
      @floridianrailauto9032 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cdavid8139 GE just got rid of their locomotive business because they weren't making money anymore, and just about every railroad now is getting rid of their Dash 8s which aren't even that old

    • @cdavid8139
      @cdavid8139 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@floridianrailauto9032 No. Get your facts straight. GE did not 'just get rid' of their locomotive business because they weren't making money'. GE sold their ENTIRE transportation division because they are desperate and WABTEC was willing to pay a shitload for that business. If you followed the stock market at all you would know this and could have avoided writing something so ignorant. Before you babble, understand your topic

  • @mwdaniel4
    @mwdaniel4 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    At the 4:06 mark your incorrect. They are at restricted speed because they were delayed in a block. GCOR Rule 6.27 says,
    When required to move at restricted speed, movement must be made at a speed that allows stopping within half the range of vision short of: Trains, Engine, Railroad cars,Men or equipment fouling the track, Stop signal, Derail or switch lined improperly.
    When a train or engine is required to move at restricted speed, the crew must keep a lookout for broken rail and not exceed 20 MPH. GCOR Rule 9.9 talks about being delayed in a block.If a train has entered a block on a proceed indication that does not require restricted speed, and the train stops or its speed is reduced below 10 MPH, the train must proceed at restricted speed. The train must maintain this speed until the next signal is visible, that signal displays a proceed indication, and the track to that signal is clear.

    • @ThornappleRiverRailSeries
      @ThornappleRiverRailSeries  7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Sort of. In this case they were in fact under the restricted speed due to their being in emergency. I'm not totally familiar with the rules, but in this case, as I recall, DIB would not have been in effect due to receiving direct dispatcher order/permission to proceed West when it was time. I'm fairly certain that overrides DIB, which is more intended for passenger trains stopping and locals switching, protecting themselves against other trains fouling former authority given by signals due to the time elapsed. Since the dispatcher could affirm that they allowed no conflicting movements, I don't therefore think they needed DIB. In either case, they both saw their next signal and cleared the emergency zone at the same time anyways. Side note, CSX doesn't use GCOR, they use their own rulebook.

    • @mwdaniel4
      @mwdaniel4 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is no rule to go restricted speed after going into emergency. You are only governed under rule 9.9.
      With Restricted Speed you may resume speed after the leading wheels pass the point the restricted speed is no longer required.
      If there is a worry about broken rail they would proceed with a speed restriction.
      the difference between restricted speed and a speed restriction is that you can proceed at normal speed when the leading wheels pass the point that restricted speed is no longer required, A speed restriction the entire train must pass the restriction.
      Just to let you know, I work for the railroad.

    • @thomasdupee1440
      @thomasdupee1440 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Matthew Daniel Yes Mr. Daniel, but CSX doesn't use GCOR nor NORAC rules. They have their own rule book which doesn't follow either format. CSX doesn't dictate restricted speed after DIB unless the crew has been changed. CSX does, however, require restricted speed following an emergency brake application for the length of the train. This is to hedge against possible track damage caused by harsh train forces as the result of the emergency braking and unknown slack effects. CSX also requires the train to be prepared to stop at the next signal until it is determined that the signal is favorable to proceed. There are different requirements for trains operating in ABS territory vs. TCS.

    • @Cor82
      @Cor82 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      At the first sentence you are incorrect. It's 'you're'.

    • @rayford21
      @rayford21 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is a train video not an english class.

  • @myrnawashington9057
    @myrnawashington9057 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the way this Is narrated and filmed.

  • @trainsstawell
    @trainsstawell 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good to watch with good camera work and very interesting

  • @senorkaboom
    @senorkaboom 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I think it broke.

    • @Dratchev241
      @Dratchev241 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      several years ago I was listening to rail ops on the radio. radio tx from the loco "im in emergency" dispatch tx "any idea what happened" loco tx "i think it broke" dispatch tx "smart Alec"

    • @Kromaatikse
      @Kromaatikse 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The front fell off (the coil wagon).

    • @Aerospace_Gaming
      @Aerospace_Gaming 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh you think :)

  • @southwestvirginiarailfan729
    @southwestvirginiarailfan729 7 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    That's broke, just throw some ductape on it and it will be fine. :)

    • @RayVal53
      @RayVal53 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Good point... Better hit everything else up with WD-40 just in case.

    • @DowneasterProductions
      @DowneasterProductions 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      NorfolkSoutherns#1Fan no get the superglue and tape and put it back with some rail joints

    • @fritz46
      @fritz46 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's probably what happened before this happened.

    • @regular5641
      @regular5641 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What is this? Roadkill rails?

    • @jugularspeed774
      @jugularspeed774 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Put some flex tape on that shit for a water tight seal

  • @traingawker2121
    @traingawker2121 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video work and commentary!

  • @crollwtide9452
    @crollwtide9452 ปีที่แล้ว

    That Dash 8 at the end of the 3-engine lashup has a nice heavy chug to it...that boy was working and smoking hard

  • @Maine_Railfan
    @Maine_Railfan 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    wow!

    • @jerryjdawgsworldarnold
      @jerryjdawgsworldarnold 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      well fuck...ouch...great narration sir...do you know -for a fact-the car was scrapped and not repaired? is that ARR rules?

    • @Maine_Railfan
      @Maine_Railfan 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      jerry arnold it was beyond repair you cant fix that damage by welding and they probily harvested parts wheels/couplers/air lines/top of the car/and wheel sets leaving not much left and they cant fix that without tearing the car apart and to fix it it costs more to fix than buy a new one and you cant weld it good enough

    • @jerryjdawgsworldarnold
      @jerryjdawgsworldarnold 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      BML54 © that might have been the reason for this failure...20yr ago this might have been a derail...

    • @Maine_Railfan
      @Maine_Railfan 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      jerry arnold yep

    • @ThornappleRiverRailSeries
      @ThornappleRiverRailSeries  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      BML54 © There is consideration in these parts that this car might have been HBO for Grand Rapids or Chicago. This hasn't been confirmed, but GR was receiving Coil Cars for repair. Could have been unrelated, but something to consider.

  • @patf03
    @patf03 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Haha the trainmaster got off moveing equipment and he has no gloves on

    • @sl600rt
      @sl600rt 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Perfectly allowable by GCOR rules. Though 8 d9nt know about CSX specific rules.
      UP rules say that giving off moving equipment is not allowed, unless an emergency. Glove rules is to wear them to protect against injury, but not required.

    • @timothyterrell1658
      @timothyterrell1658 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      He went to look, not to touch. Eyes don't need gloves. Ha came, he saw, he said , I'm not touching that.

  • @dragon7112
    @dragon7112 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    U did a wonderful job on your video thanks

  • @Deltabravo604
    @Deltabravo604 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    great narration, best I have listen too!

  • @steveamurray59
    @steveamurray59 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Trains too long, you'll see more of this or worst, derailments.

    • @twothreefour234
      @twothreefour234 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not to mention waiting at crossings way past what's legal. But unless someone writes the tickets it will keep happening

  • @BronxBastard730
    @BronxBastard730 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Duck tape will fix that right up , no problem

  • @TonyVRailfanning
    @TonyVRailfanning 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice job with the narration and video. Thanks for sharing

  • @397852234
    @397852234 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this..very cool!!

  • @darrenpelletier8014
    @darrenpelletier8014 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    as a conductor myself, I must say myself and most my peers absolutely hate being watched and taped by foamers. I mean how would you like being being put on youtube while working?

    • @Ben-ph7pv
      @Ben-ph7pv 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Like you should get royalties. Or a tip...

    • @thomasi2349
      @thomasi2349 7 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      You should be flattered that others envy your job and want to film it. You could always get a job at Home Depot loading lumber. I doubt you would get filmed there then you'd be happy.

    • @cdavid8139
      @cdavid8139 7 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      That's odd. So many people would LOVE to have a job that fascinates others and that a hobby is built around. I've railroaded my entire career and find it enjoyable that someone finds the amazing work we do interesting. (What I hate are those who second guess us). But if I can I go out of my way to be friendly.

    • @MrStabby19812
      @MrStabby19812 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Darren Pelletier I think he went and spoke to them since he has full commentary on the incident.

    • @furyiiiplate
      @furyiiiplate 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      As an American, I love seeing videos like this. Police aren't crazy about being filmed either, but we know how that works.