Is Trials Worth Playing in The Final Shape?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- Trials of Osiris looks a little different already this season in the Final Shape in Destiny 2 PVP. The meta has taken a hard shift, maybe not for the better, but are the rewards good enough to make up for it? Let's chat about it today.
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We were told over and over that the focus in pvp was going back to gunplay focused. Each time ends up being even faster ability usage than before. Guess we should accept a duck as a duck
Can you imagine if they hadn't nerfed abilities just a few months ago, this current meta would be even more ridiculous. To think people lost their minds over those nerfs.
But to be fair, it's a process. I smell a fresh batch of ability nerfs coming.
I'm going to preface this for context: Good PvP player, solo Lighthouse every week within 2-3 cards no issue. Trials is one of my favorite things. Some major issues with it though, baring subclasses and weapons is simply the lack of concern for time invested, especially if you aren't good at PvP. Passage of Persistence was a decent start, but that passage itself should be reworked to not remove a win, period, ever, that way someone can actual persist and get to 7 wins. As it stands now, with a 50% win rate, youd NEVER get that passage to 7. The population of Trials is still way lower than should be expected for a healthy thriving playlist. There needs to be better incentives getting people into the door and keeping them. End rant.
I go solo flawless on a mercy card every single week. Fun stuff
This, so much
Bingo. I’m not a great PVP player but I been busting my tail only to consistently get matched up with someone with a PVE loadout in the ast match I need to win. It’s ridiculous tbh and for the average Joe, the time invested isn’t worth it. That said, I understand that I’m not an average Joe and the TOP loot is designed for the top players. That’s all good. But damn does it have to be this difficult to get a bread crumb.
I'm soo happy to hear someone else say this!!! I am not very good at PVP and that "Passage of Persistence" is an ever dangling carrot, that I never seem to get close to. HOURS and hours of play time, going no where, to the point I have to stop playing altogether because it begins to get incredibly frustrating and quickly loses ANY kind of fun. So, I end up losing out on getting ANY kind of reward for the time invested. And like most, I really wanted to get a Shayura's Wrath I could use in PVP.
I very much appreciate your comment and your point of view! It's so nice having a good trials player looking out for those of us that aren't that great. I've been playing since D1 and as embarrassing as this is to say...... I've never gone flawless. Ever. All my friends kept telling me oh just grab the new card you're 'guaranteed' to get flawless.... So I take their advice and what do you know, even with that card I'll get to 5,6,7 win streak and just run into a wall game after game after game until the card gets f*cked. I love pvp in destiny, I'm well aware that it's not balanced and that's part of the beauty of it. But it has gotten extremely self defeating queuing into trials already knowing in my mind, well let's just slog it out for the hopes at getting a decently rolled normal weapon reward or some engram rewards that'll probably have mediocre perks with my luck.... I've pretty much written off ever attaining a pvp adept weapon. So at least having some type of system in place that would make persistent players maybe get 1 or 2 decent adept weapons a weekend would be huge
i can't walk two steps without choking on a smoke bomb and being burnt by swarm grenades
For real, what happened to ability uptime?! Smoke, swarm nades, threaded specters everywhere
Exactly!
I mean smoke bombs were always around and people just use them more because they finally see how good they are. Also swarms were always good but tripmines were so OP for so long no one used them. Nothing changed other than smokes got a slight buff.
Adapt lol.
Hunters dodging gives their smoke back. And that’s always been a thing.
Hunters are just way too good, why are they the favourites (maybe it’s because most of bungie are hunters not warlocks like the bs ers say)
@@TalonRahl smokes did not just get a “slight buff” they had their time extended a good amount and even do a bit more tick damage when in them, swarm nades also got a good duration increase and area increase, these buffs were already unneeded in pvp since these were already amazing but bungie wants their favourite class to be op
I mean I'm addicted to PVP but the ability spam on hunters and healing on warlocks has been annoying AF.
As far as rewards we're def being showered by loot that's for sure. I got like 50 SMGs this past weekend lol (regular + adept)
Tbh if you use anything on warlock other than solar with either speakers sight or transversives than you suffer, I only went flawless once without using them, I just think warlocks are a bit weaker than the rest, also people need to try the unstoppable aspect in PvP and use it to push with your team for free wins since your teammates are protected but get to slaughter
Yup and the healing on warlock got nerfed leaving even more space for hunter to takeover
@@Bg1997mx I play warlock and I don’t think it’s been nerfed enough, especially when it’ll get the orb ability back soon although a bit weaker, I just don’t like it because it’s the really the only thing that keeps warlocks up with the others and it forces me off prismatic for the better healing, they need to buff warlock prismatic for PvP since it’s just not good and solar is always out doing to for movement and abilities tbh
WAIT BALLISLIFE PLAYING PVP???😭😭😭
I'd argue that the hunter ability spam is 110% worse than warlock healing
Jokes on you decoy, my aim is so bad I won’t lock on to you.
Ahhhhh the lady in the water reference..... At least someone remembers poor ol' Reggie
The thing thats frustrating me is the lobby balancing, or the lack there of. There was so many times last weekend where me and my mate would be on 5 wins and have an absolute potato on our team where the enemy team has an insane player as their 3rd. This is EVEN worse in the solo queue experience where i would have very often .2/.3kd players on my team where this season was their first ever in trials. While i understand that its random it feels annoying knowing that I cant do anything to win the match when there is no team synergy.
I've had a lot of fun in Trials in The Final Shape, but holy crap, I'm so sick of Prismatic Hunters ability spamming everywhere.
Also, thank you for being one of the only Hunter mains who actually agree that their kit is broken at the moment. I'm so sick of hunters complaining about the Speaker Helm when their kit is so much stronger. I'd take a team of that over a team of Prismatic Hunters any day.
-Titan Main
"Warlocks are too strong!"
-Person playing the class with a +50% pick rate.
Thank you, prismatic hunter is way worse than peak arc titan ever was
@@Nicken_Chuggetsare you disabled?
@@Nicken_Chuggetsoh really?? Not even with knockout? What about void titans? What about scatter nades that made you volatile? Not even knockout? Not even during pk smg meta? Not even antaeus wards, where you could slide for free and win 9.9/10 times? Interesting. Not even when you win trials matches by having the most players with bubble or well? Very interesting.
There were always more hunters so it makes sense there’s always more hunters and ofc people gonna use prismatic it’s new and the arc super is so good
As a Warlock main solo gamerdad, I got a tap/zen Incisor and will now spend my time doing something else. I've never been to the lighthouse, but there are other things that seem more rewarding to beat myself up about.
As a fellow warlock main who somehow managed to go flawless this week, I gotta say the hunter bs spam is unbelievable. There wouldn't be a single round where there wasn't at least 2 smokes and swarm grenades being chucked into each others spawn.
You had me at the Lady in the Water reference hahaha
Just wondering what the nerf would be that makes everyone happy? I am an average player and i feel like the hunter kit is finally balanced (for me) against titan free overshields and OHK melee’s.
They seriously need to either dramatically reduce or flat out eliminate the aim assist on decoys. Being able to see my target but also be forced to fight my retical off of a target next to them is one of the most frustrating things for me in pvp in a while
Most of the player population has always been hunters its cape.
that idea of the point hiding until its up for taking is actually really good. I personally don't like dominion at all, lowers the skill ceiling to win imo way too much. Teams just sitting back with kvostovs and or speaker sight spam turrets have been so toxic, way more than the hunter spam imo.
Even with passage of wealth we hardly get any engrams which is our main reason to purchase gear and weapons
I do think just removing the aim assist vacuum on threaded specter would go such a long way towards making them less annoying to deal with. Everything else it does feels incredibly easy to deal with if you’re paying attention, but that one feature can make it unbelievably irritating.
Bingo. Threaded specter aim assist is alot of the reason there is loads of spam.
You shoot a guy, he dodges, you Continue to shoot. You pop the specter and he's now thrown a swarm grenade on you whist returning fire.
Tone the Aim assist down by about 50% and it should be good, but not oppressive like now
Tbh I don’t notice this at all🤷🏻♂️ is it a controller thing?
Congrats on 300K TV. Well deserved.
don't forget hunters' new and "totally balanced" super.. jesus christ it's so OP... along with damn clones, smoke bombs and swarm grenades literally everywhere
if they use 2 dynamo mods on their helmet, they dodge more often near you and get their super so much quicker, its so fucking busted. Hunters need a hard nerf
Ah what you don’t like having to deal with a super that’s effectively 3 instant thundercrashes?
@incitossol but t crash was OP so we must nerf titans into the ground
Everything can be countered, but honestly, the best way to counter ability spam is by using a hunter yourself. You can blink jump out of range of arc super. Use a clone to fully absorb swarm grenades. Anyone can do this though. See a smoke on ground, shoot it to take the ping off radar, see a clone, shoot that too for same reasons. A good pvp player also watches his teammates backs and supports them. Nothing ticks me off more than your teammates playing super passive after I get 2 kills, on my own btw, but get shutdown by last enemy player, only to see my team camping on the otherside of the map. Where's my back up? The last guy gets res on full team and slays out my 2 camping teammates. Happens everytime.
@@handsomeDRAC I don't even have a hunter character :D I don't have much time and I was always too lazy to make and start from 0 with a hunter.. but now it seems it's a must, since 50% of population is using it
As an average to sometimes good player my matches have been insanely tilted. One side will have 2 players in the top 5% , the other will have some bronzes and maybe a silver, it's just a crapshoot which side I get placed on to have a chance at winning. I'm not amazing enough at the game to carry a team and win 3v1s, so it's kind of disheartening when I'm consistently the best player on my team. I also believe the removal of card based matchmaking was a huge mistake, I've lost my flawless games because my teammate is on their first match of a card so they don't care and quit if we're down. And if the matchmaking is strictly connection based why am I facing people who teleport around or shoot at walls and hit me, it just feels like they gave up on the matchmaking. One of the consistent complaints of trials is that it doesn't have a very large pool of players, well it just keeps getting smaller when it's only really rewarding to the high end players. A good step in the right direction would be working on the passage of persistence because as it stands if you're at a 50% win rate you will waste hours of your life and never reach 7 wins. The passage of mercy was a nice change but it's pretty aggravating when you lose your mercy and then face the exact same team .
i need this hunter meta to be dialed back IMMEDIATELY
It has literally always been a Hunter meta. Even in the extremely brief periods where they weren't the highest pick rate.
@@BarderBetterFasterStrongerhigher pick rate doesn’t necessarily mean meta. Just a few seasons ago, Void and Arc Titans were massively over powered and had higher win rates than any other subclass. That being said, Hunters were still the most played at the time. It just so happens to be that the most played class is also ridiculous on prismatic. As a Hunter main, even I agree that smokes, swarms, clones, and slowing on dodge is too strong.
@@Sicruett Pick rates don't always imply meta strength but I would argue at this stage of Destiny 2 PvP, it is extremely indicative. Hunter is so popular because it has been so much stronger than the other classes in regards to baseline movement since launch. Couple that with consistently strong PvP oriented abilities and exotics, and it's no surprise they are always top picked.
@@BarderBetterFasterStronger Titan had like 90% pick rate for the people who have high winrates in Trials for more than a year little buddy
god forbid frost hears you say titans arent a problem lmao
I have played quite a bit of Crucible and what I think is a good amount of Trials. 6500 matches in crucible, 4800 in IB, 550 in competitive, and 600 in trials. I am done getting stomped because they cannot find any sort of way to make the matchmaking appealing for a crappy player which is me. It is just a horrible experience all around for me. Either I am getting rolled or I am the third broken wheel with the other people on the team that are unlucky enough to match with me. Soooo, nope D2 pvp is just not something I will engage in any longer, least of which is trials.
Do we think the “premier pvp content” just needs to be a whole new thing? Trials worked well in d1 because of the limited ability sandbox and focused on gunplay and positioning. Trials now boils down to ability abuse and outlier weapons.
I think we need another version of the flawless pool. I miss when playing with clan mates, we would match solos and duos. It made matches easier and made going to the lighthouse possible as a group. I think what they need to do, is when you havent gone flawless for the week, you go into a pool that matchs non flawless 3 stacks against other non flawless 3 stacks, and solo and duo flawless players. I know that once i go flawless for the week, i could care less about if i run into three stacks or if i win or loose. As long as i have a chance of winning and getting another adept drop, thats all that matters to me.
That was a disaster, many players quit during that time because they were farmed by the stacks. Not that the current 'meta' is good, Trials was always an unbalanced mess.
Thanks for the review as always TV. Love hearing your opinion about the game. I havent had the chance to hit up trials yet. Still getting my power level up to be able to contend. Been doing a lot of comp, which has been interesting and fun with the new weapons and prismatic. Only reason for me to get into trials this season is to get the new god roll of shayura and maybe test my skills. But I wholeheartedly agree that pvp is feeling a little lackluster and heavily leaning into a specific build strat. Excited for whats to come in the future though 🎉
I’m a try hard so I will continue to play trials this season. But as a Titan main I am frustrated with the current sandbox balance. I hate capture the zone as well and I hate that the bulk of recent Titan nerfs have revolved around the fact this game mode is forced upon us.
Good thoughtful commentary on the playlist. I love it and I’m enjoying the pulse. Took it to the lighthouse. 99 rang with 60+ in handling and stability with threadling and zen. It feels good and I love surprising team shooting teams with 1-3 threadlings spilling out of their teammates on my strand hunter. Really can’t stand what people are doing with prismatic on any subclass. Once again a new subclass is a bit hot/cheesy. It’ll cool down though. Trials is why I play this game. Got a nice 102 range Shayura with keep away, kill clip, and target lock. 👍🏻 Probably just a vault slot. 😂 Love the pulse and going full strand with Tessellation and Cataphract.
I'm having fun as an arcstrider of all things, Ascension is just what I needed to finally enjoy the subclass. I will say when Facet of Hope starts working as intended I might go to prismatic but we'll see. The only thing really frustrating me is khovostov, my shots have never been better but it out ttks me so I keep losing, maybe I'll get better at peek shooting.
Tbh I don’t see very many people using the clones as shields, my main issue is the three abilities combined, all three just linger on the map, and 2 are pinging the radar.
Skill based matchmaking has gotten 10000x worse. I don’t play enough to rank highly any more, I’m high silver low gold…. And literally 7/10 are blowout losses, matches that I never had a chance of winning. As a former PvP main… I play 3 comp matches a week then actively refuse to play crucible in any capacity
This!
I get constantly matched with people I have no business playing with. Iron Banner showed that to me even more. On Destinytracker I have always a 90% chance to lose the match lmao
That's because there is almost no SBMM, when there's no SBMM matches more likely end in blowouts because of the disparity in skill
like you said, if you’re not a hunter and are playing with a team, it’s miserable. trying to even kill one hunter with the insane ability spam they can pull off makes me want to rip my eyes out. the worst thing is when those hunters think they earn the right to tbag, in which case it takes everything i have not to break my tv
It’s not that broken, it’s just really annoying. Prismatic hunter is only good because it combines the most annoying abilities from the other classes into one. Organically on their original classes, those annoying abilities aren’t that good. Hunter abilities are also very weak with a lower relative cool down. Once this is nerfed, the titans and warlocks crying will simply go back to clutching barricades and rifts which ruined PvP since Witch Queen. Along with the stand still ‘No time to explain’ play style everyone in this comment section leans on. Sorry mobility exists and that you have to actually move and land shots to win gunfights. Oh wait, I forgot that the only thing on top of your rift and overshield is your max resilience that gives you way more health than hunters to barely win your gunfights. And yet you still expect to be carried in trials when you contribute nothing to the team. Even with all the ‘free’ buffs bungie has given you. What a weak new generation of PvE players who are only there for a engram yet again ruining the PvP experience, expansion after expansion. You all still have milk on your mouths. Enjoy your SBMM lobbies at your local weenie hut jr’s. Sorry that hand cannons always seem to be the problem even when autos are clearly more popular and over powered. But you all won’t talk about that here on this channel
Played trials the week before tfs dropped and it was a great experience. I tried last week. Wow what a horrible experience. And that VexNet map is abysmally bad.
Funny enough I like the map, but some of the angles feel exposing and some hallways feel suffocating
Trials was pretty fun this weekend, but also the map design goes a lot in to how much fun is going on. Also, you're a controller player - MnK has MUCH less of a problem than controller dealing with threaded spectre and Wallah himself even said the same. In terms of variety, I don't want to drag in any toxicity, but a controller main in the back of the map with a pulse and sidearm or the busted exotic auto was far more common than any other thing I saw this weekend and I'd prefer pulse AA get taken down a notch and maybe not allow two threaded spectres at the same time.
Aisha’s Care is very good in PvE. Largely in part due to how good the archetype is in general.
Slice/Gutshot + Hatchling/Kill Clip/Golden Tricorn
Not as good as the raid one, but it’s in the top slot so it’s not competing directly
Why i played it this season? (I regret it)
Haven't played it in a couple of seasons. Thought it would be at least somewhat fun. No....
What is keeping me from wanting to play it anymore?
10-15 match loosing streaks.
And oh yeah i went in as a titan.
Some matches there are more ability spams from hunters than actual bullets flying around.
It's insane.
On top of that, well yeah, why can't i match against players that are somewhat near my skill and actually make me progress (even if it was it's slow) at the game instead of having some easy matches and the rest of the matches getting stomped?
I have no problem loosing a match if it was fun and felt somewhat near fairly matched.
Now more then often almost every match feels somewhat heavily skewed in one direction or the other.
Why is that? I know there are a lot of players around my skill. I've both faced them (rarely) and had them in my team (more often the case).
Heck, even the "regular" crucible still somewhat follow that concept some days.
It is like on day you could have 60% easy matches, 30% even and 10% stomp. The next day you have 90% getting stomped, 5% even and 5% easy.
And it have always been like this. -_-
It's a bit sad because the gunplay in Destiny feels amazing at times, and when you have fair and even matches, it's one of the best PvP feelings ever. Even if you loose the match.
But especially in Trials, the "fun factor" is long gone, since they took trials away and came back (still not ina good shape).
Feels like Bungie painted themselves into a corner by making "ability spam" the whole identity of Prismatic (for Warlocks and Hunters anyway). The best thing they could do for endgame PvP IMO is to just put the Hardware modifier on Comp and Trials, and leave the rest as it is.
We're never going to get a non-spammy version of Crucible that doesn't alienate casual players, so there might as well be a harder separation between weapons-focused endgame competition and quickplay chaos.
I hear ricochet sounds in my sleep. *PING PFFFEW* *PINNNNG PFFFEW*
My thoughts every weekend are:
I'll play until I'm not having fun anymore. Sometimes, it takes 20 matches, but others I don't play at all depending on rewards and maps
I play because friends want to play. We go flawless and agres the loot is meh to chase. I agree that loadout is annoying but it didn’t bother me too much. I do like a warlock and hunter build like you mentioned.
Finally someone talking about this. Bungie nerfed Speakers but not Hunter cloak or threaded specter. Hunters have ruled the crucible since D1 and anytime another class comes anywhere close to it hem they get nerfed.
Hey TV, great vid! What do you with on your Revision Zero for those crispy no scopes?
If you are new/ back to the game, summoner and caraphract are S tier in PVE.
Summoner heal clip + inc / onslaught + the foundry perk is a great ad clear sustain roll
Cataphract with a mag or reload perk a cascade is a great deletion tool
Way, way ahead of you brother. Im already sitting out.
Depends on the weapon that week. I’m solo and not high enough skill to go flawless, so I’m usually running the card that gives the adept post 7 total wins. I’m really only interested in Summoner for Heal clip+Incandescent and the new pulse rifle, so those are the only things I’m willing to slog through (for me personally) a terrible, Sisyphus and his boulder, uphill grind for.
Other than that, I’m not stepping foot in Trials, the rank-up with Saint is incredibly slow and not worth the time investment at my skill level.
Honestly the main reason im suffering through the hunter ability spam each weekend is to get momentos for that sweet looking shader on my newly enhanced guns
True I was a D1 player and a season 1-3 D2 player. I’m coming back to the game again now and enjoying playing but I can say the game is not the same. Obviously I’m not as good as I once was but I can say that abilities are just out of control. I can’t even go flawless anymore lol
So far I've liked it less than pre final shape but I'll keep an open mind. Warlocks are an absolute pain to play against. The healing, the freezing, the turrets, it's all pretty rough to play against.
As a warlock main who almost borderline religiously plays trials as an above average player, it is an unbearable place to be especially as a Titan and even as warlock in MOST cases. *im referring to speakers helm being the small percentage exception and that got nerfed*. I have been saying this for SO MANY YEARS and I will SAY IT AGAIN, hunters are ABSOLUTELY OVERPOWERED AND IT IS NOT EVEN BY A COUNTRY MILE. Having the intrinsic of being the fastest class inside of a player vs. player environment is strong enough, but when you include other factors such hunters having the ability to dodge out of aim assist AND MELEES POINT BLANK, absurd radar manipulation, ability spam, and having the most insane kits in PvP *I’m especially looking at you prismatic hunters*, it absolutely just kills the experience. There should not be THAT MUCH of a division in class usage. 50% of players using one singular class than the other two combined is absolutely catastrophic and insane. I have never seen THIS MUCH class division in pvp ever in my PvP career. Hunters have always been secretly a problem despite players, especially hunter mains, being absolutely delusional saying “ other classes are much stronger” or “sounds like a skill issue” or “we don’t have anything good”. That is blasphemy. Now there have been outliers in the other two classes, especially titans, but none of that compares to the amount of bullcrapery that I have seen hunters do. Literally this past weekend in trials I kid you not, I was in a 1v1 with this hunter and shotgunned him point blank and he had a sliver of health. Guess what he does. As I melee him, it lunges him as he was dodging and just ends up rubber banding and he slows me as he does it, gets health regen, and then one shots me with his matador. THAT IS NOT OKAY TO BE POINT BLANK AND DODGE OUT OF A MELEE and that game cost me my flawless card and fell at the gates of the lighthouse. And this was in solo queue by the way. Titans major help, warlocks could use a small boost, and HUNTERS NEEDS TO BE ABSOLUTELY NERFED HANDS DOWN. Until then my play time in trials and even crucible in general will be wayyyy lower than usual.
My opinion as someone who has 24 flawlesses this season and has fun taking people to the lighthouse I think they need to focus more on gun play. This last week I went flawless on each class and I of course feel the ability spam of hunters. But I also felt the speaker helm which was nerfed thankfully. I mainly play because I am a rainbow six player who gets to champ each season and this season of R6 was lackluster so now I’m just playing trials for that competition feeling. I had done some Tekken 8 but this game is my main shooter currently.
I am a newer trials player who doesn’t have a ton of time to play the game, and I really only care about my own improvement. However, this weekend was definitely not worth my time. I managed to get 5 wins in a row but the hunter ability spam felt really bad to play against, so I stopped halfway through the weekend and probably won’t try again until something changes.
As a titan main, who is a little demoralized to go through the entire story again on hunter or warlock, especially on the long long range maps, trials is not fun at all
Needs to be mandatory free to play trials of osiris + mandatory weekly solo queue trials of osiris
The only thing I have to do every time to determine whether I would even attempt trials was to look at Trialsreport and see what weapons and classes are at the top. 95% of the time it's something annoying, so I avoid it as the plague
I wish people with a platform would petition bungie to ask for more PvP weapons.
While my Warlock isn’t getting rank ups or drops, it’s not rewarding in the slightest. At a thirty percent win rate, I can suffer that to do one week of trials for some mats and then never bother with it for the rest of the season. Trials matchmaking is awkward and hard to understand and I have plateaued as a player, and I do not have time to improve and get all these pinnacles through slow methods.
I struggle in solo trials even with passage of persistence. I'm not a strong PVP player but it's my favorite part of the game. I guess the only way to help me would be that larger player pool to give me a higher chance of matching other less skilled players.
when i play solo trials I have fun. the matches are somewhat diverse and fun. when i play duo with my friend it's misserable. that's my main gripe and I'll only play when the loot is good.
Nice gameplay. What primary are you using?
I've done it last two weekends just for the pinnacle, but only one character as couldn't bring myself to do it again. Depends if I hit 2000 before the weekend for whether I play this weekend.
I can’t do anything or even peak without swarm grenades or threaded specters everywhere. It’s very annoying, and I played for 4-5 hours last night and I couldn’t get past 2 wins. Not even trying to go flawless. I was using the passage that rewards the adept on 7 wins and I couldn’t even get 3 wins. I’d stack up against guys who would go 13-2 or 10-5 or whatever and my team goes 0-5 or 2-5 or whatever. Just completely unbalanced. Then whenever we go down 0-2 or 1-3 my team just wipes and it’s frustrating. I’m not some “god PvP player” I’m aware. But I’m decent enough to get to 7 wins if matchmaking and ability spam doesn’t crush me. All in all my trials experience this past weekend was an F- lol it was honestly miserable.
I think the rotating loot pool kinda sucks. The idea that months, half a year even could go by before it's even possible for me to try to get a good adept roll on a specific weapon kills the motivation to even play trials for me.
Being a Titan main when hunters are ability spamming and warlocks are nonstop healing sucks. We already suck in final shape. Guess it’s time to switch to my other characters
As a titan main, I am incredibly frustrated by the state of my class in the final shape but even MORE frustrated by the dominion that Hunters have over the entire game with gimmicky, easy to use BS. I’m someone that’s been to the lighthouse a handful of times, I’m not the best player, but I know if I persevere and put in enough effort it’s likely I could get there. But in this current prismatic hunter meta, Trials is NOT worth my time. It’s simply not fun for me to play against spectre spam. I’m of the belief that threaded spectre should either be removed from the game entirely or nerfed in such a way that it only feels worthwhile in PvE.
I'd like an adept scout and pulse. But I work full time and am trying to up my social life so if it comes down to doing more of the raid with clanmates or doing trials and sweating, then I know where I wanna go
Man I am so peeved that the speakers helm is getting nerfed before threaded Spector has even been addressed. Like you said it is so potent and frustrating to go against and 40% or the hunters are utilizing the kit. I feel like the speakers helm is something that warlocks can utilize to go toe to toe with the kit. And titans really got shafted this season. My buddy who just came back and mains titan says it is so awful to play right now and it going to swap over to a hunter until titans are buffed because hunters are so oppressive with the kit. I slip flip between hunter and warlock and I think even with my fully kitted out warlock with the speaker helm, the hunter kit is just better.
The difference is that speakers sight is a warlock ability and threaded specter is a hunter ability. Hunter abilities generally don’t get nerfed no matter how overpowered they may be. Sad but it’s the way it is. Threaded specter has been stupid overpowered since the day it came out and it’s still NEVER been touched by this company so
The speakers helm will still be REALLY good with its healing. The abuse came from the orb generation. It was pretty easy to get your super before anyone else. Don't let the word nerf fool you.
Threaded spector just needs a cool down increase by like 10 to 20 secs at tier 10 mobility. At lower mobility the cool down would be longer.
@@waltervidas9551 it needs to not be an aim assist black hole and not last as long as and maybe even not make threadlings
The threadings don't do anything they were nerfed rightfully last season that would be a pve nerf that would have 0 effect on usage inside pvp. The aim assist black hole might be an extreme. Like aim assist only slows down your cursor when near your target. Bullet magnetism exists in Destiny, but it isn't going to switch targets on you unless it's onstructing your view or is in front of your target. But that's like trying to shoot a titan in a barricade. I've been able to break the aim assist grab with hawkmoon that has 90+ aim assist.
I like clone but I like to use them as bombs (aka the mini explosion when they die) and to create space between me and my target. But really only punishes bad shotgun, smg, sidearm plays. Charge recklessly through them and you will make yourself an easy clean up.
@@waltervidas9551 wdym it only punishes bad plays. You can just dodge and stand behind it and it’s a free kill. It’s stupid. I just don’t die when I run that garbage
I Love how everyone compl. About Hunter...
Titan was meta 3 years now. And its still crazy good. Overshilds, walls, one Shot granades etc.
Of course the clones and swarms are bit frustrating but ITS easy to counter If Ur a good Player.
Other then overshilds and consistent healing
Idk why the hell they can’t respect players time and combine the passage of persistence AND mercy. If I get to 5 wins and lose 3 in a row I should still be able to play a few more games without resetting my damn card and be rewarded with at least an adept weapon.
Only thing that irked me was being in a match with a 1955 Titan who was in a duo with a warlock who was... 1990+? They did good, i wont lie but they still held back for being an easy kill.
That aside, i wont lie. I do use prismatic and threaded specter but i play an aggressive playstyle that doesnt always do well. Because, its trials... and well, how can i not go for an aggressive like approach with swarm nades and cyrtarachne/ophidian cloak.
I gave up on Trials before TFS even came out, when it became clear that I would have an easier time going flawless solo queueing than queueing with my friend because duo'ing can put you at the mercy of the random you get and make it much more frustrating. The meta for Trials can be stacked or suck all it wants, the gear isn't engaging enough to be worth the trouble for me anymore.
Those Hunter %s are going to go up even more now that they just nerfed the Warlock Speaker helm (even though I think the nerf was valid.)
I really, really feel like hunters having threaded spectre is a bad move from bungie, best action they can do is take it out and replace is with ensnaring slam or malestrom, but i feel instead theyll just gut spectre
Post flawless wins should automatically reward an adept weapon period.
What gets me people that suck at pvp and try and play trials except to get carried and they just jump off the map
That intro clip… you’re nuts!! How many headshots do you have to hit to be able to one shot hs with revision zero??
12 last time I checked gives you 1 shot
Bungie needs to separate Persistence players from the rest of the player pool to help prevent matching with players who just don’t care enough to try to win matches
Don't get me wrong, prismatic hunter is annoying as heck to deal with right now, and this is coming from a hunter main, but are you really not going to mention the cheese that is solar Warlock with the Speaker helm? That combined with khvostov stacking (on basically any map except the most recent vex domain one, where it was jade rabbits) is probably the most annoying thing I have played against in a very long time. I think it's about as unfair as release day shatterdive spam
Threaded specter is annoying, but you can't really win a gunfight against someone getting constant heals from the heal turret and getting radiant + surge from the orbs it poops out
Well there were literally 3.5x as many people running Prismatic Hunter as the Speaker Helmet. And 50% of the play base ran Hunter. So it seems that the playerbase and yourself would agree that Hunter is better.
@BarderBetterFasterStronger This isn't a refutation to what I was saying. Hunters are the most popular class to play in the game, so they would naturally make up a large portion of players. Prismatic hunter is (honestly too) strong right now, so that's more people using it. I never said it was fine or balanced. What I'm arguing is that speaker helm cheeselocks are more busted by a large margin, and he didn't mention it once.
Hey TV, thanks for the video. I am a Warlock main and frustrated with how long threaded spector has been unbalanced in the game. When Stassis Warlock came out (yes it was broken) it was nerfed within weeks. I have not used the healing turret but sounds like it too could be an issue, but threaded spector has been a problem for a long time (not throwing shade at those who use, it is in the game and Trials is do everything you can to win). The last couple of season I have played long enough to get the new weapons. I am a very average player, never been to the lighthouse. I played maybe 5 matches this weekend, my one win I dropped an updated shayura's. If I get lucky and get the pulse on my next win and it is a decent roll I will likely stop playing for the season. Cheers
Trials is where I go to relax and play PvP. Quick play is so goddamn sweaty (and the lobby balancing is so lopsided) that I don't solo queue into 6s anymore. That's why I dread an Iron Banner that lasts two weeks, it's gonna suuuuuck
50% of all players were Hunters? Just wait until this weekend since one of the main draws to play warlock (Speakers helm) got nerfed. ESPECIALLY if we get a cqc map. I'm guessing around 60% next week. Prismatic hunter needs nerfed urgently. Its absolutely misery inducing. I don't know how we have managed to basically revert so much progress that was made on the ability spam special ammo front but we really have done so in one season.
Can we talk about how warlocks had an abusive exotic combo and it was addressed rather quickly, but we're still waiting to see our titan bros get some love and for Hunter's ability spam to even be acknowledged.
Don't get me wrong, glad to see Bungie tackle things, i have no biases there. But why did they just kinda... Stop... You know?
I'll probably play just to get armor to transmog and a few good weapons. I find joy in smashing an all hunter team though aa a voidlock.
I agree that hunters are a little too strong right now but I think it's hilarious that people are acting like Titans weren't a problem for YEARS with their 24/7 overshields and one shot melee abilities. And warlocks have also been consistently good in crucible recently. Hunters finally get their moment in the sun and everyone is crying 😢
I know this was about trials but Iron Banner STILL has no new weapons or armor either. I wish I wasn’t a PvP player.
With SBMM ruining most if my favorite game modes, I’ll be playing trials. There’s more variety there despite the meta because on a non-flawed card there’s more variation in skill than control or iron banner
All I play trials for now is the 1 flawless every week. Or if one of the new weapons is out that I didn’t get a good roll of
The problem with full teams isn't meta gear. It's the fact that it's half 2.5+ players and outright cheaters. I'm fine playing meta vs meta, I'm not OK constantly playing ximmers and inhuman gatekeepers that have been actively destroying the playlist for ages. I'm a middle aged scrub who just wants to play trials with friends (two at once, not just one at a time!) again like I did for years.
There need to be real, hard incentives for people to play in full teams again, not just non-adept trash rolls, to bring up the team population - exclusive cosmetics, more adept drops, etc. Maybe have two different adepts available on the same week only in threes. Turn on some hard Xim detection like so many other games do these days, and if they are flagged, force them to only play each other until an investigation can confirm if they should be banned. You can't really get rid of the gatekeepers - they may be assholes but they are often legit players - but if you can dilute the population enough that "normal" teams have a solid chance at flawless again, that'd be enough to make it worth playing again.
It's crazy to think that before solo queue, 1.5KD used to be enough to double carry in trials on high population weekends. Now those same players refuse to touch 3s unless in a full meta stack, and often not even then because the experience is so toxic and miserable.
Hunter good for 2 weeks all hell breaks loose. Titan being the best at pvp and pve unlimited melee movement op arc titan kills whole teams with nock out and punk ass void titan being un killable for like 2.5 years cricket😮 y’all are funny
They nerf titan and warlock in PvP and PvE but let hunters run wild in both areas of the game. They talked about ability spam and focusing more on gunplay, but hunters are using abilities left and right while titans and warlocks are being slowed smoked suspended and accuracy altered. I usually play trials all weekend but I could only play 1 card a weekend since the final shape, PvP has never been balanced but this level of imbalance is not fun at all.
no new armor sets either right? For Trials or IB… in a major expansion is pretty lame tbh. Pvp armor is always lacking :(
The solo matchmaking experience is the worst it’s ever been. Games usually end up as a massacre. Regular comp is much more fun. It’s a shame as a while back Trials was fun for solos.
No one is willing to have the conversation that Hunters have always been and will continue to be broken in PvP due simply to having the best movement in nuetral *for free.*
Dodge is a get out of jail free card on reaction and *so is Hunter jump.* No other jump can be used to evacuate engagements in that way.
Radar manipulation in a game where radar is always on is absurdly strong and only one class has access to it. And that class has invisiblity, team invisibility, smokebombs, decoys, and now decoy radar cloaking.
The current ability spam on Hunters is obviously an issue, but it is not the root of the problem.
Thank you. But I’m just MALDING when I say this but it’s been so out of hand
Prismatic hunters definitely need a PVP only nerf. You literally cannot get within 15 meters without being hit by a wombo combo of abilities that are extremely tough to fight back against.
1. Nerf threaded spectre health so it can only absorb a bullet or two, not an entire sniper shot
2. Either revert smoke bomb or remove slowing effect
3. Make swarm grenade seekers detonate ealier, so they dont chase you for more than a second or two. Maybe even delay intital seeker spawn by a second so you dont just die if one lands at your feet
4. Make the new arc super unable to instakill well or bubble (but still able to quickly follow up with a melee to finish)
Its easy to nerf speakers helm IN PVP by just turning off orbs of power all together for the mode. hunters....well what exactly can you do to nerf it outside of replacing the aspect?
Comp is even worst. When you get to like adept every game is time limit clash or king of the hill where you don’t have to be in the zone and just spawn trap lol.
I’ve never enjoyed crucible less than I do right now. It could not be more annoying with khovostov, hunter swarm, smoke, duskfield, decoy spam and speakers helmet nonsense.
Marathon is going to blow if they so consistently made the worst decisions as for balance and pvp in destiny. I’m not even going to consider it at all. Laughable.
i just played last weekend for the shayura adept and that's it, went flawless, got the rolls i wanted and that's all, not even new armor wich is a great incentive for me, so i don't think i'm gonna play it again in a few months
Once i got the pulse rifle with a good enough roll for me i was done. No more reason to play trials other than getting the pinnacle reward
Really the only thing worth doing in the game imo. That being said Hunters are way overturned and it’s quickly making me want to sit out for a while.