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As a Canadian, I don't see why one wouldn't pay more to make sure everyone is taken care of. What goes around comes around. This year I may pay more in taxes but in the future I may really need healthcare. It is about the community not the individual thriving.
Thank you for being able to see with your heart.
America is ALL about the individual. The cowboy, the industrialist, the billionaire, the politician, all built on the myth of Huratio Alger type mythology.
You messed up when you said “As a Canadian”. Americans don’t do that.
Here in the US, is WIIFM (What's in it for me) mentally. We don't say "sorry" like Canadians do. We're high in our self worth and low in IQ and EQ. Yup, we're a hot mess.
@Tommy Vaughn woah man nice perspective. Wish more folks were on the same page. Your comment is almost too smart to post. Individuals will understand.
The gen pop can't.
It's amazing that people can be talked into raising taxes for anything but making healthcare affordable. What is wrong with people? You want something good, you pay for it. Geez!
JanusAtTheGate for real! I’m not super wealthy at all but I don’t mind paying a little more if it means that healthcare becomes more affordable. I’m too poor to afford to pay a hospital bill even WITH my insurance but if that cost could go down a little then why not go for that option.
JanusAtTheGate Amen to that!
g p You’d have to be a billionaire to afford a hospital stay with good insurance in your pocket!
Yes! I don't have kids, but I am willing to pay the taxes for good schools. Apply the same knowledge to affordable healthcare, taking care of our veterans, etc etc etc, but people want it all for free and the world doesn't work like that. It is a give and take, not give, give, give and get f*#k'd.
Congrats Lovett!
I do think that Warren should get an award for not just laughing in Biden's face when he tried to congratulate himself on her own achievements.
Not to mention that he is apparently tone deaf to his own privilleges that have enabled him to be more likely to be in political office in the first place.
51:30
Oof! It does not sound better the second time
T Electronix Will you be willing to present the award? I have no objectivity and should be disqualified because of my love and trust in and for Warren.
Or drop kick him
I think Warren’s answer should be simple:
“I believe the American people are smart enough to know that a dollar spent is a dollar spent, no matter where it goes. Right now, every American with private health insurance is paying a tax in the form of corporate profits to a health care system that doesn’t cover everyone. My plan would eliminate that tax, and replace it with a lower cost health care system that would actually cover everyone, giving us more value for the dollar. When middle class Americans look at their bank accounts at the end of a year, they’ll have more money in their pocket. The money they do spend for health care will go into the Medicare for all system, and if you look at your premiums as a private tax, the net tax they pay will be less.”
Frame health premiums and deductibles as a private tax, and the answer is golden.
Also, when will Warren or Sanders talk about removing the burden of health care administration from business? Small and medium businesses especially will benefit from Medicare for all because their contribution to health care will change from an administrative headache to a line item on their tax forms.
Eliot Hochberg As a Warren Democrat heart, body and soul, I can only say amen to that. Thank you for taking the time to make one of the most compelling arguments I have seen on line. I will have to reread and reread your words to make sure I get the full impact because you have just shown me how much I need to step up my game here. Are you voting for her? Brian
Eliot Hochberg Those are excellent points! Both Warren and Sanders have real pluses,and it is very exciting to have two such strong candidates to choose from. I think I agree that Warren would be more effective in office, but it it has to be said that Bernie is actually more progressive. Happy choosing for us all. Me, I’m a Warren Democrat heart, body and soul.
Well said.
Effective message.
This, this, this. The point has yet to be made by either Warren or Sanders that no one “loses” healthcare because all providers will become part of a single network. The redundancy involved in running parallel systems, with multiple offices dedicated to making determinations about what is and isn’t allowed in the plans. Those resources can be funneled into overhead and care provision, everyone is enrolled, and every provider is “in-network.” So, yes, that part of the equation is the answer to why the public option does not fix the problem; only single-payer can do that.
Gwenly Grace Right! No one loses insurance and it becomes simpler to use and more effective. Thank you so much for adding your points here. Brian
Warren should answer "Taxes will go DOWN. Premiums are a private sector tax, which will be abolished under Medicare for All."
Not bad. Probably would still be told she was dodging if she used it, but I like it.
"If you give me the option between two costs, one called a tax and one called a premium, I'm going to ask you 'Which one is cheaper?'"
Akatsuu I like this answer best
Wow, where have you guys been all my life? This is the exact type of discussion I need. All of the processing of these debates I usually do by myself is being done by 4 people much smarter and knowledgable than me, which in turn makes ME more knowledgable. Thank God for the internet. Subscribing right away.
A Thomas These guys are a real game changer! I am so glad you are joining us, and I believe that those of us who are active in the comments are the best online political group to be found. Make sure to check out the Podcast version because they usually have an extra interview with someone outside the group. Not tonight though, because it was the debate review. They also have a podcast called Pod Save the a World. It will blow you away. Welcome or the team. Brian
Pete has proposed "Medicare for all who want it" from the beginning. It is not a change.
Suellen Carey-Clarke I saw the interview where he declared M4A was the compromise position between socialized medicine and private insurance. The all who want it come later.
Brian Walkup : My bad... I haven't seen that, but I guess "better late-ish than never...". I think it's a good thing that the candidates can and will evolve on issues --- so long as it isn't a shallow flip-flop approach. The "...who want it" came early, and hasn't changed subsequently.
it did come early, but it is the second position. An honest evolution is fair, but we need to understand the moticarion
I think you guys are misinterpreting Pete's comment about not caring what Republicans think. His position is, do what you think is right, push what you think is the best policy, the Republican spin machine is going to call it socialism regardless. But he's been for a public option as a glide path to M4A from the get go - he's not changing position to be more moderate, he thinks that's the better way to get to M4A. Same for guns, he supports tons of gun reform measures, he just doesn't think mandatory buy backs are good policy. That's not a position change either.
Their point is that he isn't makinf a policy debate. It's rather that his actual argument is that Republicans will smear it so they shouldn't do it.
When Pete says let’s not worry about what Republicans are going to say he’s referring to Republicans in Congress. But he does care about what the Republican and Independent people think since he wants to be able to win the general election and more important he want to be able to govern for everyone not just the most progressive section of the country. To him MFAWWI is the right position because it delivers on covering everyone and it also unifies the American people.
two_for_the_road I don’t doubt the case you are making. I believe he really does think that. As a progressive backing M4A, I would say his plan avoids the corruption and the greed of the insurance and drug companies. It avoids looking at he fact that people with insurance lives are ruined by medical bankruptcy. And in terms of the fight, it will be attacked by Republicans just as much as M4A so why not back the plan that works better instead of thinking it is easier.
Brian Walkup -The “Affordable Medicine for All” part of his MFAWWI plan takes on the pharmaceutical companies. And like I said his plan might get attacked by republicans the same as MFA but the majority of the American people will find it easier to embrace because it doesn’t take away their choice. Pete does believe in MFA as an end goal, he just sees MFAWWI as a pathway to get there. If you believe that going straight to MFA is a winning issue for the general election and it’s the better option then you have Bernie and Warren, but I actually wouldn’t be surprised if Warren ended up changing her position to a plan similar to Pete’s in the general election, I believe that’s why she’s being evasive on the issue.
Andrew yang: 1:08:00
thank you
I've been waiting to hear them comment on Yang! Thank you!
YANG GANG!
Yeah hopefully everyone just takes each other out and Yang just swoops in with the MATH
They didn't even mention that Yang spoke about a wealth tax and how it hasn't worked in other countries. Which is another reason he wants the VAT.
They are dismissive as all hell against yang. Boggle my mind. He's the only campaign that's consistently growing by any metirc. They are just waiting till he flys by at takes that 4th place for good and act like he came out of nowhere.
Automation and UBI vs FJG were talked about on this debate stage solely because of Andrew Yang. Steyer bought his way into this debate and you guys talked more about him the Andrew Yang. Come on
Pete’s position on Medicare has not changed since February, as they seem to suggest. Yes, he did say at that time that Medicare For All was the compromise position, but he was advocating for Medicare For All Who Want It as a glide path to get there, even at that time (see his interview with Brian Lehrer of WNYC on Feb 14 2019 as one example of this, although there are many others). So, he didn’t suddenly adopt this position to opportunistically differentiate himself from Warren, and to suggest that he did so, and that this is an example of his ‘inconsistencies’ is entirely inaccurate
Jennifer Well, I do not agree. He seems very different from the days when he said the glide path stuff. Now he is attacking anyone who is outside the Biden centrist lane. He seems far less likable to me than he did several months ago, and my support level for him has not changed. I was not considering then or now. I think he will pay a price for his new found aggressive posturing.
@@brianwalkup5214 How? He said "if people like me are right that that is both good coverage and more cost efficient, then more and more people will buy in and it will be a very natural glide path towards the single-payer environment." That's the same argument he has now. Medicare for all who want it, if effective as expected, becomes Medicare for all.
SkubFactory My disagreement with him is not on his policy for health care. I do think his plan is as good as Medicare for All, but I would still give him the space to say what he believes. In going for the centrist lane, which I also don’t attack him for because it seems genuine, he is throwing flames at those who are more progressive. He sees progressives as a group that he needs to write off because we are not going to support him. His take down of liberals and progressives crossed a line with me. It is what centrist always do. They attack the legitimacy of progressives in an effort to build unity with Republicans. It always fails in the end because Republicans still hate Democrats. It is an old trick of centrist, and I am fighting back against his tactics, which hurt the party.
@@brianwalkup5214 I disagree that he is taking a centrist lane or "taking down" progressives. Warren and Sanders do not define progressive. He has a different approach on some things and the purpose of a debate is to bring those out so I don't get why it's an issue. What policies specifically do you think are centrist?
SkubFactory I do not challenge his right to define his issues and policies. It is what he should be doing. As a progressive I have listened carefully to him, even though it is clear that he is not a progressive. His attacks and his new campaign strategy clearly make him as a centrist. I have no anger with anyone who likes him. My anger is with Pete and Pete alone. His strategy is clearly to throw liberals under the bus because he thinks we will not support him, And for this reason, I am going to campaign against him. I want to make sure he has no path to the nomination for the good of the party. We have to have a space for all of our differences.
You guys are great, but regarding Pete you are off. He is a visionary in an unexpected package. His arguments come from a larger, more complex world view than anyone here, it isn't just him saying
"Oh now I will turn up the anger. He, like others, is bored with all the talk of unfunded gifts to the American people without taxes being raised.
What's so complex about it?
What trump has already done with the pharmaceutical companies has caused me to not be able to afford my meds. AND I HAVE PART D, SO THE DRUG COMPANIES HAVE MADE THESE DRUGS A NON PRESCRIPTION ITEM. OUT OF MY PRICE RANGE.
Pete has always supported a path to M4A.
Yeah, I really dislike this attack on Pete.
Their argument wasnt about that specific policy, it was about pete's change on if you should care about the Republican's counter argument
@@andersonneil2293 it's not even about Republicans (of which he was talkingabout talking heads, not everyday people), M4A isn't going to pass even a democratic majority Congress because it kicks people off their plan even if they don't want a government option and moderates will never go for that. People need help now, so let's look at policies that can pass now and will help those that need our believe in it without alienating and further polarizing everyone who's not on board yet.
@Tommy Vaughn yeah no.
aleprbla I am voting as a Warren Democrat, but I will have to say that you are right. He called it a glide path, but do you think he could step back from that?
Here's what Warren should say: "The question about taxes is the wrong one. What people want to know is if my plan lowers healthcare costs and my answer is YES. $0 co-pays, $0 deductible, $0 premiums. If you like paying premiums, co-pays, and deductibles - go with one of these guys (points to Biden/Buttigieg etc.). Sure, they'll offer you a choice of 400 different plans run by private insurance companies with thousands of dollars coming out of your pocket every year. But I've got a better plan. One that covers every single American and costs less. If you want to find out how much you and your family can save each year go to my website where I've got a calculator, [insert website plug here]. Plug in your income and your family size and it will tell you how much less you'll be paying under my plan."
Why is this so difficult for her, or Sanders for that matter (though to his credit he does usually cite the $0/$0/$0 thing)?
"Tom Steyer is taxing himself $50m to run a campaign"... That's some galaxy brain shit right there.
Republican here, Andrew Yang is the only one who made sense to me, im definitely registering as democratic this election.
PUA Guy all of the concerns he brings up are correct. I’m not sure he’ll make it as the candidate but the only other person on stage who seemed genuinely open to his ideas was Warren. When he came at her once in the debate her response was very understanding and she sort of sounded like she was interested in discussing his ideas more but they moved on to someone else. She’s definitely the only candidate there who would be willing to try any solution if it will help.
I am bernie supporter, but I do like Yang and I really wish they would give him more than 3 minutes to talk.
1 down......
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Pls don’t
PUA Guy I am glad that you found a candidate who makes sense to you. Does it feel strange for you to leave your own party? I have a hard time thinking of voting for a Republican, and I never have, so I see what you are doing as kind of brave.
literally when Pete was just starting in the race in your podcast he explained M4A who want it as he explained it now. the middle approach IS private doctors and public payer that is still M4AWW. the only thing he did was to reframe it
Thank you. They completely lost me talking about his "inconsistencies," when I have been following Pete closely since early April and I have yet to see any myself. He hasn't changed positions, at all, as far as I can see. He has also been labeled a "centrist"/moderate since the beginning, when all I ever saw was a more adorkable, amiable version of progressive.
Holly Kolenda-Roberts and the whole thing with Beto, his point wasn’t that reoublicans won’t like it he straight up said to beto “ if you could elaborate your stance I’d totally be up for debating but you don’t even know how you’d enforce it and people are dying, we need to act now” even Warren was like “yeah that’s a shiny object we can look into it after we get this done first” and somehow they didn’t catch that
He seems very centrist to me, and he does seem to be changing gears from saying fight for the the policy in spite of Republican attacks because they are what you believe into attacking everyone who is too risky and vulnerable to Republican attacks. I have never been a big fan of his, but I liked it when he said things like fight for your values. Now, he seems mean and petty and much less than he was. I am not attacking anyone who supports him because I think his supporters are top notch. I am just offering a non Pete perspective.
@@brianwalkup5214 when he said not to care about how Repubs will frame it, he meant the politicians. Hes always talked about uniting the country... Which means listening to everyday people who do lean more Republican. It's hard to always make that distinction in a debate format though.
@@tracypaddison everyday people do not lean republican. The majority of the USA are liberal. The republicans people are low education or greedy rich people. For our nation to thrive we must be able to change and adapt to the future .
I don't plan on voting for him, but I think saying Yang is running on a single issue is a little oversimplifying his campaign. What I, and I presume a lot of people, find attractive about him is a more pragmatic and business-like approach to government. We've seen plenty of politicians push the message of the successful businessman turned politician. But he seems to convey that genuinely and advocate for innovative and 'proven' policies despite their poll numbers. Trying to persuade people based on data. Which seems to be a lost art.
EXACTLY! If some of these talking heads would actually listen how his signature policies hit so many facets of the average Americans life they would wake up. But instead they'll stay on the surface and paint over him. He's not going anywhere, they'll have to talk about him eventually
Random question, how many frames per second are you shooting video at?
I ask because some of the movement seems off when people move their hands. If I had to guess, it looks like you shot at 24 FPS, when maybe I'd shoot at 60 FPS.
Or...
You're dropping frames, at which point you could be having issues with the software you're using and maybe need to check settings for dynamic bitrate.
If you guys need help setting up the stream, I'm more than happy to help. I can even show you how to setup multiple cameras and manage it all from one computer so you're not moving your camera around. You can add cameras and make your job way easier and increase production quality on streams. It's also easy to do so for free with open source software. All you need are more cameras and free software plus some practice and it'll fix the low frame rate/dropped frame issue.
Nate File size for upload and livestream is important
@@jendelreavis358 File size is important for uploading. For live streaming, the software compresses the video. If you're using the right software with the appropriate hardware, the file size isn't really that much different.
When you use the right software, you're not recording multiple cameras at once and uploading them together. Rather, the director selects which camera to live stream at any given moment.
This is how TV stations operate. I know this is how they operate because I worked in one for years. Any news broadcast has half a dozen to a dozen cameras operating at once. This is also true for sporting events.
It's a matter of having the right hardware and software. If it was just a file size issue, than turning down the resolution would smooth things out. The issue is the frame rate recorded or frame rate loss or maybe even a crummy encoding process or computer managing everything. But it's not a file size issue.
they have an email address, forward your cv with video editing skills and say you wanna volunteer
YANG2020😎👍
Why talk so much about 1% Klobuchar unless its an effort to push her instead of the declining biden?
And the blatant ignoring on Yang is unnerving. They are focusing on their favorites to the Nth degree
Rd G Well, she did have a strong debate, her best yet, but I will concede that you make a fair point.
zachariajumblia I think they will speak more about Yang if his polls go up enough to seem like he has a shot at staying in the race past Iowa. They don’t focus too much on any of the lower polling candidates.
zachariajumblia. I would agree with you that Yang did have a strong night, and I personally would be surprised if he did not rise more in the polls before Iowa. If he does, I think PSA with spend more time talking about him. I also think Klobuchar had her best night on the debate stage, but for her it comes too late. She is out of money and time,and has not even qualified for the next debate. The point I failed to make earlier is she waited too long to find her voice as a candidate. Hopefully, that will clear up my argument a little better.
I was really impressed to learn that Warren asked Yang to send her all of his data on UBI. I am a Warren Democrat and I have followed her for years. For her part, it shows that she is listening to him and wants to work with him to make sure his voice is an impact on her policy. Warren always does this. She learns from people who understand something better then she does. No matter who wins the nomination, I see Warren and Yang working well together for the common good. Brian
When Warren took the time to draw out exactly how she planned to do it at the beginning. She showed that the top 3 percent would have to be taxed only 1 percent to cover the cost of medical coverage for all. Also, I had no problem with Obama's plan.
Regarding the health care costs v. taxes issue: I've lived in both kinds of systems and one thing that has never been brought up is the non-monetary benefits of a single-payer system. Even if the costs (taxes?) are slightly higher, MY TIME and energy was held to a higher value in that I spent exactly zero time on the phone/computer with anyone to sort out plan differences, coverage, payments, networks or claims, etc. I never wondered whether I had to bring money for a co-pay or check my bank balance to cover a deductible. The simplicity of the single-payer system (which still allowed the option to buy a private add-on) saved me countless hours and grey hairs...I had two healthy babies for $0 and peace of mind for me and children afterwards.
Samantha Hicks Thank you for sharing this vital perspective. We Americans need to know.
Agreed that Biden's assertion that Warren did "a good job" was condescending and sexist - and also petty. It shows his desperate need for recognition of his experience. He can't just be confidant and stand on his history. It's disturbing.
Cory is Excellent in his present position. He would probably be better off to stay where he is vital to our cause and need!
I really want to push against this idea that Pete became popular for his policies. He became popular because his campaign strategists had him sit down with anyone who wanted to interview him. He made himself available to people who were eager for some news to report, and who share many of his views, and it worked. No one in my small town in Ohio knows his name because of policy interest; they know of him because pundits plastered his likeness everywhere for months.
It's nice to see Dan in studio!
AllyLea It is a treat. You are so right!
Love this show. Started watching it on Snapchat when I saw it was on HBO and figured it would be good because HBO consistently offers quality content and damn this show is the best thing out there other than Last Week tonight because Daily Show needs time to grow ‘cause everyone is so new.
It shouldn't have taken you over an hour to discuss Yang.
What's wrong with asking how they will pay for Medicare for all.
Congratulations Jon and Ronan!!!
Scar Oh Yes! I am thrilled you brought it up!
Can we all agree we need to crowd source a chiropractor to work with these guys. Dan... it is going to be ok.
Dan: Do you think voters and young voters care about the Biden's war vote.
Literally all voters: F*ck yes we care.
🐶🔭Doggo Spotting:
1:12:42 - v. good boy enters frame
Congrat on reaching 100,000
Pete was exactly what I wanted to see. I cane in team Warren (previously team Pete and Bernie) but left last night with renewed support for Pete and new support for Amy. I find Warren to be annoying and Beto righteous.
I do wish we'd start talking about the feasibility of plans. Yes, it's just the primary, but haven't we learned our lesson about making unsubstantiated promises? Yea, it's great that we should have big plans, but let's actually talk about how they'll work. Regardless of the phobia democrats have of "taxes", let's just identify some ways of getting new needed taxes across the line. I've not heard very many substantive arguments about a wealth tax, people just talk about billionaires. Let's actually talk about implementation!
Why is the only person who's actually enthusiastically defending a new (get this, "flat"-ish, would affect poor and middle class Americans) tax is Andrew Yang? Fucking own your plan and then tell us why the benefits outweigh the challenges. If you're excited, we'll be excited.
My hat is what Warren has suggested.
I attended an npr podcast and while interesting discussions about the policy itself, they largely ignored the political reality of the Senate. Obama had the best mandate in 50 years and still struggled. LBJ had 70 senators and 100 more house members and still needed republicans to vote with him to get Medicare and Medicaid through.
The Senate is where bills go to die. And democrats will, sadly, have to find ways to win rural voters back to have a chance there. About 57% the country's population lives under 24 senators and the rest live under 76. And 2/3 lives under 40.
@@e22ddie46 Yea. We can't just double down on our base, when we've lost several of our traditional bases. Unions and blue collar workers going for Trump in 2016 should have been a wake up call.
Instead, we decided what we really needed was more voters in California and New York. I mean I'm one of them, so I get it. But, whatever our thoughts on the electoral college, it's the law of the land. We ignore middle America at our own peril. Definitely in the senate, and even for the white house.
@@Cyrribrae to some degree, sure. But democrats have actually gigantically expanded their base in suburbs. White suburbia was, historically, the republicans stronghold. It now is almost exactly split. They lost college educated white voters by a ton in 2016 and 2018 and those are the most frequent voters. Their inability to get any rural voters will be a long term disaster for the Senate though. In 20 years, half of the population will live in 7 states. The other half will get 84 senators.
HINT at what's coming
Mayor Pete feels like a typical dem politician who moves to the centre when things get tough. There's no moral centre. It's more about him saying what he thinks he needs to to get himself elected and I'm pretty much done with that. I want some fucking honesty. Even if it's not politically the right thing to say. Just stand for something ffs!
Personally, I like Warren and Buttigieg best of all the candidates.
Biden was just responding to Warren. True, Biden was the primary right hand to Obama. He worked with Obama side to side to Obama to pass so many legislations. It was not he was angry
Buttigieg in debate two on whether he would raise middle class taxes for expanding coverage and eliminating premiums: “Look, this is a distinction without a difference, whether you're paying the same money in the form of taxes or premiums.“
This is so disappointing. He really is spreading republican scare tactics to get ahead in the polls.
Would you guys please get the heck off Mayor Pete's case? He is the smartest person on that stage and would make a fine president. You guys are picking nits.
Your take on Pete is really wrong. He has not changed positions. Has always been about public option to prove to the public it works and eventually get to M4A. Still is. There is no flip flop here.
Doresain They we’re speaking about his tone when he attacked others for disagreeing with him as the main point. He is becoming much more aggressive all of a sudden, and I like him much less. I was never planning to vote for him, but I liked him and his style of speaking. Now I really don’t.
@@brianwalkup5214 That isn't really what they were talking about, or not the part I am criticizing them for. He was certainly more aggressive and it is ok to not like that. What isn't ok IMO is to act like his core stances have changed when they really haven't at all., they should know better.
Doresain The challenge for Pete’ followers is to understand why PSA’s interpretation is valid. Pete is playing with an old fire. Centrist always want to unite with Republicans by opening fire on liberals and progressives. As a progressive, I am disgusted by his new tactics. If he wants to unite the country, first he has to unite his own party, and after his last debate I am very angry and disappointed with him. I was neutral about him, and I liked much of what he had to say. Now, I don’t And I actively want him to fail. The challenge for Pete and his supporters is figuring out how to lead me back to the table.
@@brianwalkup5214 I am progressive. So is Pete. You can be progressive without being maximalist, and you can be pragmatic without uniting with Republicans, lol.
Sounds like we just disagree.
Doresain Yes, it does, and I would say I have always gotten along with Pete supporters, and that my anger with Pete is only with Pete. I feel he betrayed our whole party on the debate stage.
Quote from an acquaintance: “Bernie and Warren just want everything to be free.” This is from a moderate, possibly independent voter. How should their campaigns (and those who support them) counter this false characterization?
I would counter with “How about the mega-corporations who barely pay their taxes? They get to use the infrastructures and government programs (I.e. education, govt funded research) that we paid for. Where are the people asking why these fat cats get a tax break AND a bailout during the recession. What Bernie and Warren are proposing is instead re-prioritizing the government’s resources to benefit everyone rather than the modern day nobility.”
With regards to the last question asked; even if it might’ve been wasted in terms of debating actual issues, was it not a smart question to humanize the candidates? This was a question that I felt - granted that I’m looking in from the other side of the pond - that every candidate answered well and benefitted from, given that one of them eventually will be pitted up against Trump. Or am I simply reading into this wrongly?
It's amazing that these Democrats don't even have a contact number. I guess we all need to be on Facebook and Twitter because they've helped the country so much.
Booker felt like the adult in the room, not getting involved in the fight. But that also means he feels like he’s not getting in the fight and people are pissed about Trump and kinda want someone who is pissed too... despite the need for a regulated adult.
Lizz Keiper This seems like an excellent assessment. Maybe the regulated adult is just coming out st the wrong Moments?
Geez - I like these Pod Save... guys, but enough with the mind-masturbation-disguised-as-analysis of Buttigieg. For God's sake he was only on air for about 5 minutes. He did a good job - he was lively and articulate. Nuf said.
They try so hard to make him out as this guy that's supposedly not fighting as hard for the people because he has pragmatic solutions. Probably my biggest critique of the Pod, they really seem to apply a lot of liberal purity tests because they have their candidate.
They were calling out his hypocrisy and his plans also fall apart under scrutiny, Pete gets a pass for being mediocre
@@_Marianne what hypocrisy? And which plans fall apart? It's easy to concede to that conclusion when you're listening to an echo chamber, that's exactly how Fox works. Not saying they're bad journalists or anything like that, just that when you get only one viewpoint it sounds good.
@@SkilledTadpole ok thanks for the mansplaining lesson on listening but since we are reacting to what we listened to on this podcast, Pete changed his position from fuck the politics let's do what is right to listening to pundits and making his argument against M4A about politics. Also Pete didn't even have his policies up on his website during the first debate and can't articulate them. This is the first time I listened to pod in a long time, I don't agree with everything they say, but on Pete they aren't wrong on how he shifted his positions and policies from when he started. That's fine to evolve but his attacks to Warren and Beto rings hallow and was all attempts to make a moment to help him get ahead.
dd ee Do you think they mental masturbate over the the other candidates? They are seasoned campaigners,and know the ropes, and I read their interpretation from that lens. What do you think they need to add about Pete that they have not.
I am a gay man who feels flat on Pete. I think the collective gay hive mind settles hugely on Warren. I do not prefer any of more centrist candidates, and the reason I am asking my questions is to probe whether I just agree with the guys because of my bias. I also have a deep love of the people who love Pete. They are role models to me right along with us Warren Democrats about how to stay on a positive campaign. I am looking for the best way to conduct myself here.
If the Medicare (public) option is better, more people will select that option. People do not want to be forced into anything. Health insurance is a scam, but people need to appreciate that.
Surely trading in guns could be made a community thing, not a police thing. For those who put out money for a gun, some kind of selling, say to a military-related place.
Y'all keep shafting my boy Yang. YANGGANG
I wanted Elizabeth & Pete to win. But 8 love Bernie too. However, I trust Bernie!
Thank Gawd I'm Canadian & don't have to choose. However, as a Canadian i wish I could vote!
By the way, I have ruled out every candidate that has found fault with the others. We are one democratic party and must always stand united or get out of the debate.
There is no Democratic Party...
there’s a Democrat Party, though.
I thought Pete’s courage line was strong and his argument about the actual reality of taking people’s guns correct.
maya beneli That is one side of the argument, and you make a strong case for it. Me, I say go bold without the fear of the politics. Which policy plan will Save the lives of more children in this country. ?
Brian Walkup I think we have to have realistic plans for changing gun ownership and taking control
Of gun violence. I would love to see swift passage of those changes on which most Americans already agree (background checks, loophole corrections etc.). I think there will unfortunately be strong pushback and possibly loss of the election if people are afraid of someone taking their guns away.
maya beneli It looks like we just disagree, but I think both of our hearts are in the right place.
@@brianwalkup5214 For Pete, who has to look in the eyes of mothers of victims of gun violence multiple times a year, the priority is to get gun laws that could save lives (background checks, red flag laws) a soon as possilbe since every month those laws are delayed costs lives.
indri Yes but placating Republicans and the NRA is a doomed approach. I love Beto for his willingness to fight on this. I am not voting for him, but he is on the right track. To win, we must go to war with the NRA. Now is the time to fight. We can worry about uniting with Republicans after we win the battle and not before.
Dan is sooooo smart
I have cultivated very deliberately my values on this site, which are to listen closely to each other and I have placed a strong value on this as our path to unity. I have shared my story of growing up as a conservative Blue Dog Democrat who one step at a time grew more and more liberal until I finally became a progressive. It is why I value all points along the spectrum of our party: I have lived all of them and I think they all have value.( it is one reason why I love Warren so much. We have shared that same journey.).
My actions now will seem out of character, though I will make a case that they are not.
I am branding Pete Buttigieg as a major threat to the unity of our party, and I am going to start the campaign that that all of us from left of center to far left Bernie or Bust bro’s should come together to stop any possible path he has to win the nomination. We disagree about many things and that is as it should right now, but we should unite against Pete.
His performance in the debate was shocking to me. He has dropped the act of a wolf cloaked in Obama clothing. I am not opposed to a centrist making his case for his policies, but his willingness to open fire on anyone who stands to the left of him is a serious problem.
It is the same old damaging game centrist have always played. They believe in uniting Republicans by opening fire on the dangerous left, and it never works. Republicans go right on hating us anyway.
It is time for all of us to stand firm against Pete. We cannot allow this man a path to the nomination. And I will now bend my entire will to this task. We need to stand together on this. It must be our first step in the journey we take to stand together behind the nominee.
The whole thing with Elizabeth Warren "dodging" the question about healthcare really bothers me. She has been asked the same questions now so many times, why is it wrong for her to NOT change the answer when people keep asking her because they are looking for a gotcha moment? and the fact that Mayor Pete and Klobuchar attacked her on it made me like them less because they fell to a media tactic.
I do wish she would call them out on what they are doing, though. It's pretty frustrating to keep hearing the same back and forth that we have been hearing for months.
Nora Karsten You are so right on all points. It is time to fight back with the truth. A public option does not fix the crisis with our healthcare system, and it will cost people a lot more because they will have to pay premiums and deductibles like always, but they will also have to pay more in taxes to cover the cost of the public option. Thank you so much for your valuable insights.
wow, a leftwing youtube channel that isnt insane... awesome, thank you... here cause ben shapiro recommended it =)
I have a small quibble. I think you mischaracterized pete as a moderate and threw him in with Biden and Klobuchar. Pete hasn't shifted on the substance of his campaign but on the rhetoric. Compare his interview with yall to the debate or any interview he's done recently. There has been a rhetoric shift but I think his substance is mostly consistent.
Andrew Yang discussion starts at 1:07:50
And?
@@telectronix1368 its the real reason we all clicked on this video tbh
@@breakdance4cash228 Objectively that is not going to be true.
(regardless of your own interest in having a yang fan club, this video was about the whole debate)
T Electronix he might have meant all the YangGand when he said we. Then his logic holds.
@@brianwalkup5214 I think it was a telling use of words.
Not all of us say "sorry" like that.
Yeah we do☹️
24:04
Straight Into My Veins.
24:20
That's the good shit.
Bahaha what is this sad Chapo side show
what a load of shit, ranking candidates by how much money they are raising. wtf has that got to do with politics? or maybe the question is Why does that have anything to do with politics. this might be where US politics is going wrong.
Mayor Pete should me his colors on what's going on in the city he is suppose to be a mayor.
JM Ellison I think he is showing his colors all over the place. The more I see, the less I like. His bumbling and unsympathetic approach within in his city was very disturbing. I agree.
Does Pete have a suite of diffuse tools?
Why does Lovett keep wearing a child size hat?
sadr0bot hahahahahaha
2 way tie for first between her and Bernie Sanders you mean?
Lol Yang a single issue candidate. He has over 100+ policies on his website. Actually has done a lot of podcasts and interviews here on TH-cam about a variety of issues. When the field begins to shrink he’ll be able to show the audience that he isn’t. Also last night he had the best response to impeachment, taxation, decriminalization of opioids, and breaking up big tech. Hopefully, you’ll see in the debates he also has good policies on democracy/governance, education, and miscellaneous issues like daylight savings and robocalls.
Podcast save America is obviously being biased against Andrew Yang, you can tell there mainly pushing warren
@@breakdance4cash228 EXACTLY. This has been very obvious for a while now.
He is tho. Not literally, but rhetorically. He moves most of his economic questions to the dividend thing. Just cuz he has 100 policies on his website, doesn't mean he's arguing them well on his campaign.
It is the core of his campaign and because it helps address so many issues e.g. climate change, how can someone who can barely pay their rent think about climate change? UBI will help with that. How do we encourage people to stay out of prison, UBI will help with that, it goes on. How do we help with childrens education? UBI. It helps build a foundation with so many issues which is why he refers to it so much. Being yanggang we know alot of his other policies but from a non-yanggang they will just know him for ubi and thats fine.
No Tommy that isn't what it is. The distinction is the Centrist's have no plans so they dance.
I think it's strange you guys didn't mention that Yang had the largest percentage increase of all the candidates for Q3.
Possibly because "percentage increase", especially from much lower figures, is not as significant as actual numbers.
@@telectronix1368 Growth and momentum matter. I think it should be mentioned, in addition to total amount.
@@vymai34 Yes and "percentage increase", isn't the same as a substantial increase in overall support.
@@telectronix1368 I agree that what was mentioned about Q3 fundraising in this episode did not convey enough information.
I was really excited when I heard Harris was running but her campaign is basically a joke now.
Mark Dunlap For some reason, her campaign has failed, and like you I thought she was an excellent contender, and I spent time thinking she really could pull off the win. I doubt now she could even get things back on track.
I do not care about the theater. Warren would make the best President, in my opinion, so she gets my vote. Debates won't change that.
Descartesdom77 What policy cements you with Warren?
@@uzaho86 While I like her many policies, that is not how I choose a President. It can certainly disqualify someone if they have a policy that I find offensive, though. It is demeanor, personality, and how they handle pressure that I care about the most. The things that the President actually does. She's already shown what she cares about and all those intangibles that a President needs in the Senate and when she was stumping for Consumer protections. The artifice on display in the debates has very little to do with the day to day affairs of the office. On the podium with announcements and in interviews with the press, she indicates to me that she would be a great president. And she also doesn't seem to have that little man's syndrome that even Hillary Clinton showed, that tells me they would be keen to get into a new war. Foreign policy is almost never talked about in the debates, but it's one of the few things that the President has virtual carte blanche on.
Descartesdom77 I worry she will not hold up to questionning well, like when she was asked about biden and his son on a random interview and if it was right, she said she needed to look at it and didnt know what to say. She also changed her mind from taking big donor money. Also did you see the question she got from a big donor in one of the recent talks? Where they asked Warren about same sex marriage, it was abit suspicious and frankly fake to me.
Descartesdom77 She will transform what it means to President. I am a Warren Democrat, heart, body and soul. Like you, nothing will dissuade me.
Brian Walkup How do you think that type of reasoning will change trump supporters minds? Why do you think trump beat hilary? Because people are sick of the same old, and what is Warren? Shes Hilary 2.0. Its going to be tough for her to beat Trumps rhetoric when he can easily show that she is not going to “drain the swamp”, just add to it.
The debate showed that the best progressive in the race is Bernie and the best centrist is Mayor Pete. Now let's see that debate. The rest candidates are just wasting everyone's time including and Biden should take Obama's advice and dropout.
If Pete wasn’t so pro corporate donations I would’ve loved to him as Warrens VP but that’s looking less and less likely
bronaghmca I would love to see Stacey Abrams as her VP. Abrams has said she will accept the VP if offered, and she would fire up the base like nobody’s business. We could win Georgia, and both Georgia Senate seats!
Brian Walkup she’d also be an amazing choice! Would love that ticket!! And would help energise the black vote to turn out in a way that Warren seems to be struggling with
bronaghmca Yep!!!👍
Let's be REAL. The true debate will be between Bernie and Warren. Everyone else deserves no credence. The Pete concersation was way too long and much of the rest of the line of candidate breakdowns. Please talk to more relevance. Makes the conversation more productive.... OMG, just heard Cory's convo was great??? Really? He has no case - to the next! My goodness.
Oh my god I can't even listen to this anymore. I really really like the Pod but geez, your Warren bias is showing! This doesn't feel fair and balanced anymore, this just feels like an hour long adspace for Warren.
Hannah Deatherage They naturally have to focus on the person who is moving into the front runner status. The race could change and someone else could still tasked that spot, and if they do, they will focus more on that person. They are not campaigning at this point for anyone. They will campaign for the nominee.
@@brianwalkup5214 Nah, This Pod has a huge bias for Elizabeth Warren. Establishment people are usually for Warren( and these guys came from the Obama establishment) and the activists are usually for Bernie. Whether or not you as a voter are for Warren or Bernie depends on whether you put your trust in the activists coalition who want to completely reform the system(therefor taking huge risks and picking huge battles aka Bernie people), or in the establishment coalition( the warren people) who are aiming for incremental change in what they see as a lower risk reform that is easier to deliver.
I seriously don't know why we all pretend like this isn't the divide between the two camps. We could have more honest conversations with ourselves and other people if we all didn't bullshit ourselves and other people so much..
oo oo I a, a life-long political activist, which started when I turned 12 years old just days after Ronald Regan was sworn into office for his first term. I have fought my entire life for justice for all. I am a dedicated Warren Democrat, so naturally I must point out how flawed your argument is. Please bring more to the table in terms of substance if you want to feast with me.
Brian Walkup I agree. If you’ve put the work in, like you, you should be listened to. You know. Who do you think the nominee will be and will they win the Presidency?
Seneca’s Adoptive Son All evidence points to one conclusion. Anyone who wins the nomination will be our next president. It is a mathematical impossibly for Trump to win because our side side is fired up in a way I have never seen before, and there are more of us. We still have a lot of work to do in the swing states, but we are doing it.
I also believe that anyone who wins the nomination will be a thousand times better of a president than Trump. My heart is set on Warren because of her enlightened economic policies, but I will stand with any of them to get rid of Trump. If we get rid of Trump we can all live to fight another day for our policy preferences. If Trump wins it is game over.
I love your user name, and I really wanted to thank you for the questions. Who do you think would make the best president among all the nominees?
I am so done with all of them if we vote tomorrow none of them would not get my vote
shericet What is the thing you need to see in order for someone to get your vote?
The troll has no clothes.
Not voting Democrat in the 2020 presidential election just increases the chance of Trump being in the WH till 2024.
@@brianwalkup5214just the bs of this debate month after month , it looks to me as open season and cannibalism on each other . Each candidate is looking for their gotcha moments. While the orange man is sitting back and laughing. I think they should have not allowed so many candidates which hinders the amount speaking time. It just looks like a complete sh*t show to me
@@telectronix1368 well so be it if they can't get their sh*t together . I will use my dem vote on the more local state stuff and judges
This is why these candidates are all really good. I love Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Not to mention, Biden already knows the in's and outs of what needs to be done. I believe that he still is the one to beat. He is good and real and all of trump's attacks prove just how threatening Joe Biden is. Vote Biden and hopefully he can bring in all of these candidates to be assigned to positions in his cabinet to replace the inadequate people that are in charge now. This is the opportunity to step up to the challenges that are before us.
Seems very disingenuous to try paint Pete as a pivoting hypocrite when back in March he stated on your very own podcast that he views M4A as the end goal and M4AWW as the next step.
From the transcript of that podcast:
"Now I also think anybody, anybody in the 2020 conversation who lets the phrase Medicare for All escape their lips has a responsibility to talk about a pathway there that makes people better off along the way and not worse off and to me the way you come at this is what I would call Medicare for All Who Want It. "
This is hilarious...keep up the work guys! I'm sooo glad there are programs like this that are going to help get Trump re-elected!!!!
seems these guys are pushing for warren, looking for more enlightenment not finding it here
These are Obama admin goons, you aren't going to find much clarity after a certain point listening to them. They'll spout the usual lib points and stay towards the center
Wait, what?? Did I understand you to definitely say that Bernie has officially dropped out of the race, due to the "mild heart attack & cardiac surgical procedure" that he recently endured??!! 😱😬 Personally, I like Bernie, but his health should come first, imo. Nevertheless, let's not forget Cheney had multiple heart problems and attacks during office & unfortunately Dick's already on his 3rd transplant! Why prolong that evil man's life of continued war crimes?! 🤨
Praising Mayor Pete for yelling about nonsense? Get real he was just trying to score points on the leaders
Clefargle Smash By playing a dangerous old game that is known by heart by all centrist. He is a threat to the unity of the party.
Steyer is a real businessman. Trump is a petted stooge.
Pete had weeeeeeaaak arguments
a mandatory buyback is WRONG
tafoyaerik Why do think that? It seems like a good way to get weapons of war off our streets.