Is Roc Nation & Jay-Z to Blame For Tory Lanez' Guilty Verdict?
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Everyone is to blame but Tory Lanez - JBN
the part you are missing that the defense has the right to call or NOT CALL a witness. if they suspected that the witness wasn't going to testify to what they believed happened, they don't have to put him on the stand! sloppy defense....
Thank you! They was tripping.
Yeah...this is lawyering 101, especially since OJ. Never ask a question that you don't know the answer to...
The problem is not Roc Nation, its black women. Tory Lanez is proof that Black women are the worst enemy for black men, there are thousands of Black men rotting in jail because black women lied on them. Date black women at your own risk.
Defense was definitely sloppy but at that point I think they ran out of angles. Really Tory lawyer lost the case when he grilled Kelsey asking if the prosecutors made her say stuff allowing her testimony to be played in full. Much more believable than what she said on stand under pressure.
@@reececentre6265 Black men are the worst enemy to Black men they kill each other every day how many black men was murder by Black men last year
Remember when TI was fighting those gun charges when he dropped the paper trail album? He walked around in librarian glasses and Cosby sweaters and slacks every damn day because PERCEPTION MATTERS.
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You guys are looking for an excuse, this guy is a bad seed, he has been a problem his whole life. Jimmy Mac
@@cynthiamclaughlin1669 naw he definitely is. Tory definitely did that shit
@@cynthiamclaughlin1669 FACTS! Dude is angry about his height, hairline, gov name (what is a Daystar anyway?), girls he thinks he shoulda had and didn't get, and I KNOW he's pissed he will never be friends again w/Megan.
I swear Queenz added nothing of value to this conversation lol
The witness can’t interact with the defendant in front of the DA. Are y’all kidding?
Actually yes he can but that wasn’t the issue the issue was the witness not even talking to the lawyers for the Defense after speaking with the D.A
@@just13mel44 Because he was denying witnesses tampering. Or reporting it
Tory Lanez honestly found everything funny and mocked the shooting in songs right up until the case.
Cause he knew he ain’t do it
@@MakaveliG17C dude was deflecting
@@jamilawilliams4827 if got shot in both feet how did she perform 2 weeks later
@@kingjohnson3839 did you see her x ray pictures y’all really got to stop with this scenario that that girl wasn’t shot it’s really ignorant at this point, whether directly or indirectly a ricochet etc the girl was shot…her foot was leaking, a surgeon removed bullet fragments
@@kingjohnson3839 wasn’t two weeks later
Y’all down bad once y’all start resorting to conspiracy theories 😂😭
Kid r U under 29 lol
What’s a conspiracy about a man protecting his investments?
He still thinks black panthers didn't get killed by police
Bruh you'd be surprised how often these so called "conspiracy theories" are true. Covid-19 just by itself was so wild with the number of things they said were just conspiracies that turned out to be true.
@@visionofgod4115 Imagine thinking Tory Lanez is worthy enough to be compared to the Black Panthers. Y’all are pathetic and shameless
At this point it doesn’t matter. Go find the proof he’s being railroaded and reveal it to be world otherwise he’s cooked. Everybody they stand with Tory go find something to help that man because your words don’t mean nothing if he get whatever time he get.
That witness changing his testimony when he was TORYS witness one thing I find maddddd weird
Especially considering, that the DA meet an hour before his testimony and also he don’t acknowledge them worthier sounds fishy
Far from over G!
Said every lawmaker ever when you talk about black people being treated unfairly. Pick a side.
@@richiethecreator9704 what??? Pick what side??? This is a side of just or unjust nothing to do with a certain race how small minded are you
How gross
It killed me that this entire episode they did everything but cover the possibility that TORY ACTUALLY SHOT MEG. All their scenarios were basically he didn’t do it but this is why he was found guilty.
with all due respect they clearly said that the witness said that the girl shot two bullets to the ground and tory shot in the air.
@@jxdieoneofive1072 the witness never said Tory shot IN THE AIR. That’s a fake social media narrative. Read the transcripts. The witness said he saw Tory shoot EVERYWHERE
@@jxdieoneofive1072 no The witness claimed that he “believed “ he saw Kelsey fire into the car and saw Tory “firing everywhere “ 4or 5 times . There was no evidence of Kelsey shooting into the car but there was evidence of the 5 shots by Tory .
@@Queenbrilight275 December 2021 transcripts say otherwise. The witness never said that Tory was shooting in the air or anywhere until after he spoke with the DA 2 days before he testified. His call to 911 was 2 girls violently fighting. When he spoke to police he said he saw flashes coming from the non victim female then the shorter guy got out of the car and grabbed it from her. Then they were all fighting. Which to me sounds like a struggle to get it away from someone.
That’s why the DA didn’t use him as a witness. The lead detective also testified to what the witness said. Since they didn’t test megan for GSR or DNA you’ll never know who pulled that gun out or whose it was. But if that was Tory’s gun and he shot the gun his DNA would be on it and it wasn’t. But fighting over 🍆 or being shot by a celebrity which one you think is gonna sell more? You can believe Tory shot her but you can’t deny she lied about how it all went down.
@@Queenbrilight275 ummm two people tested positive for GunShot Residue (GSR), Tory and Kelsey,, you miss are sadly mistaken.
It was no point of bringing up Torey shooting a woman when he wasn't being charged for shooting her. That's the craziest part of it all.
They hung him in the "court of public perception" first...classic okie doke...bait & switch 🎣🎣🎣
@@blkgdzglobal not sure what you were reading or listening to but plenty of people did not believe Megan at all. But he wasn't on trial for anything regarding her. Wreckless use of a gun which a neighbor's doorbell camera can confirm, illegal possession of a gun with having a gun on him and oke under the seat of the car, both not registered but I'm his possession. C'mon now. I was hoping he wouldn't get any time but Cali cops not letting nothing go
What!! There was a point she got shot when he pulled his gun. She's a witness that was there. He was charged with having discharging a firearm. She is part of the evidence. Yall goofy.
That boy was guilty
@@emartinez7733 i mean , yeah but op is still correct lol
Listening to this panel is exactly why I will never support abolishing the police.
Just imagine your attackers or killers being let go because of clowns like this over unproven no evidence conspiracy theories.
Good point.
Exactly
Look up police and domestic violence
Lead investigator that messed up the case, has been sacked for dv and is why there is no clear logical flow to the story.
The vast majority of police abolitionist want to replace to replace them with better law enforcement and social services.
Regardless, Tory has shown multiple times he cannot control his ego. He got himself in this situation and its sad cuz he's so talented.
Bro Tory never attacked august that was allegedly and there’s no charge of him shooting Megan
Tf that got to do with wether he guilty or innocent. Absolutely nothing
@@MakaveliG17C uuh yes tf are you slow
@@amosross22 aight so the video is lying and everyone lying including august exvept torry, because tells the truth everytime right?
@@amosross22 there is footage of him attacking August. Some of you be dick riding Tory it's a shame.
I can’t believe they still defending homie… I feel like he said what he said and that was all that needed to be said. If it is a conspiracy….. he made it a lay up… and then.. if it’s a conspiracy, what’s the end game? Who gained anything from the situation…? She was already bubbling… and he wasn’t moving the needle like “he has to be stopped”….. to me… I’ll listen to “he didn’t mean to do it” but he did and now … it is what it is…🤷🏾♂️
Bro he’s innocent
@@MakaveliG17C go tell that to his sell mates
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@@anishnewton100 yup
Lmfao Tory is still to blame. Regardless of what happened with Mr. Kelly, Tory still gave the jury enough evidence to convict him. Whether it was the phonecall he made to Kelsey, the gun being found where he was sitting, or Kelsey's original statement, Tory Lanez did enough to warrant a guilty verdict. At every possible turn, he decided to move in an unwise manor. I wish people would quit trying to give this man some sort of excuse, and actually hold him accountable for his own actions
The man deserves 22 years for someone he didn’t assault and who was twerking on a boat within a week?
Yes ! That lil mf shot and hit someone. People like u are the problem smh, if u can’t understand that Tory committed a crime ur dense asf ! He’s wrong period end of story ! And now he’s going to jail ! 22 years is excessive but he fuked up ! GUILTY
You asking them to hold a famous black male musician accountable for their decision making. Good luck with that. They still think R Kelly is innocent.
@@MakaveliG17C he’s found guilty
@@MakaveliG17C lmao bullet fragments were taken outta her feet. Do you think a medical professional would risk their license lying about something like that?
It’s not “sneaky” for prosecution to speak with the defense’s witness.
It's definitely not. I'm not sure why they don't know this.
It is sneaky. It wasn’t a regular meeting. They spoke to him in a back room moments before testifying. You have to notify defense after doing so. They had spoken to him last year as well but this time he switched his story
It is minutes before he testifies in a secret room of the court house without notifying the defense
@@MakaveliG17C That's not even the story Tory's family told!
@JimmyCooks969 How are you and the other fella coming up with this back room/secret room scenario? Tory's father says that he was outside of the room and that it was upstairs in the courtroom. And it's normal for attorneys to meet with witnesses. Defense and prosecution have that right. It's the same thing that they asked for when Tory's bodyguard finally made an appearance.
No, he shot her, end of!
Even you don’t believe that
That’s not how the court system works
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The witness literally said other wise but you know what happened lmao can’t make this up
He ddnt
I can't take Queezflip serious
Dude sounded like a complete moron here lol. Some of these podcast types need to just stick strictly to hip hop, rumors and jokes about pop culture. Niggas stay exposing how dumb they are on serious topics.
The fact that they got Kelly’s testimony completely wrong and are so strong about it is laughable. He said he saw the first muzzle flash by the woman, and then four or five shots by the guy. The defense put him on the stand because they thought he would be able to convince the jury that Kelsey was the shooter, but they disregarded the fact that he said he saw the man with the gun and shooting all over. He actually changed his testimony after speaking to the defense because he initially never said he saw a woman with the gun at all. People should stop jumping through hoops to make Tory the victim.
Tory is the victim, he was lied on. Tory ain’t shoot a gun
@@MakaveliG17C If you’re delusional then just say that
Exactly!!!!
They are so biased. I'm starting to think they got a crush on tory. Idk how they are denying all the facts in this case. Tory guilty. That's it!!!
Yea he said he saw a muzzle flash first from the girls direction, but never saw the gun!!! He believes it came from the girls but he couldn’t tell cause they were all together
This is what I can't understand about this Roc-Nation gossip. Let's start on the origin of how this situation ended up at trial in the first place. Wasn't it said initially that Megan Thee Stallion wasn't even trying to out Tory Lanez? The whole situation was embarrassing, so Megan was trying to sit in the corner, be quiet, and eat her food. All Tory had to do was be remorseful and quiet. It wasn't until after Tory started acting goofy and pleading his case with the public that Megan spoke out. She didn't press charges on Tory Lanez. Tory supposedly had his team working on swaying the court of public opinion. So why are people's panties in a bunch about the Roc Nation rumors. If the rumors are true, I can't get mad when someone else played the game better than you.
She lied to y’all. She went and talked to cops 4 days after the incident and named him. She went on her ig and said someone harmed her with intent. Tf you mean she tried to protect him? That ig live she did was cap
How he try to use the court of public opinion when they had a gag order on him for 2 years? He could say anything about the case or reference it, only person who was allowed to do that was Megan and she definitely went everywhere and told her side so when it came time for the trial only one person had their story out for 2 years
Tory a dummy and he shot that girl. Gettin what he deserves
I never saw Tory tweet/comment/post a single thing throwing shade at Meg before she pointed the finger at him. After that 2nd IG Live where she said, "Tory shot me!" Yea, there was hella shade, but up until then I don't remember seeing a single thing from him, and even after the live it took a few weeks at best for shade to start getting thrown.
@@MakaveliG17C source?
They blame Jay for everything
Everything, it’s ridiculous
Because Jay is petty and a master puppet string pulling manipulator...look at what everyone close in the industry has ever had to say about him...from Dame to Ye...dudes a snake 🐍 and everyone gives him a pass because he's wealthy,gotta stop worshipping money and stand on some sort of codes
It’s sad and ignorant hope he doesn’t fool with these dudes
Jay Z this, Jay Z that
Yeah... But we can't act like Jay-Z didn't do people dirty in the past either.
"Conspiracies are the refuge for the misinformed"....
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Yup!!
Or Truth hidden from the uninformed!
@@freshtv5222 no. Every single conspiracy theory exists so that ignorant people can make sense of things they are too dumb to understand. Every single one, without exception. From the moon landing, to antisemitic conspiracies, to this.
@@dewilew2137 that’s an ignorant statement in itself because it implies that every theory is false and/or contains no Truth. Which isn’t the case at all. From JFK, MLK, Malcom X’s assassination. It’s only theory cannot proven or disproved. But in Science theories get accepted as facts of there’s enough evidence! You can believe what you want but you’re just as ignorant as someone who believes them all. What about the “theories” proven to be true about COVID? Are they not true because they’re theories even though there’s thousands of data to support?
Tory Lanez is to blame. He is an adult that is responsible for his own actions. With every action comes consequences. Jay-Z and Roc Nation didn't tell Tory Lanez to commit domestic violence against Megan Thee Stallion. He did that of his own accord. If you want to know the root of the problem so the issue of men being violent towards women can stop. It comes down to parents teaching their children from early on how to manage their emotions and problems effectively instead of reacting based off emotions. But back to the question at hand no Jay-Z and Roc Nation are not to blame.
Meg committed domestic violence when she fought her friend that night. Why was that hidden during their testimony?
Meg is the one with a history of domestic violence
Only thing he did wrong was fuck two best friends and end up going to party where both will be... That shit isn't illegal either. Tory didn't shoot that girl.
Bro wrote an essay. Only thing Tory Lanez is guilty of is smashing two best friends and almost hitting the trifecta with Kylie Jenner
@@JimmyCooks969 He did this to himself. Honestly. He made all the bad decisions on his own. Roc Nation didn't tell him to do that dumb shit.
I think Parks is the smartest person in this entire room. He knows they are wrong but is quiet because they are just all stupid.
😮💨😮💨 They would make horrible attorneys 😂
Ish, there is no such thing as having exclusivity with witnesses in a trial. Both the defense and prosecutors can vet the same witness and even interview them before and during the trial.
Y’all don’t understand. That’s not what happened. They had already spoken to witness but that day he testified they met with him again in a back room without the defense’s knowledge. That is shady work
@MakaveliG17C The defense put him on the stand, and the fact that he testified that the female also fired shots does not help the prosecutors case. Bad witnesses are par to the course in trials. This is nothing new.
@@lamin6 he never said Tory was shooting initially. They got him to say they both were. He had also previously said there was a struggle for the gun and Tory tried to take it away
@Jimmy Cooks Hi's testimony was tory shot the gun in the air, and the two females were arguing before the shooting occurred. Nothing in that mans statement favored the state. He was shitty witness period.
I wish they knew this lmao
🤣🤣🤣 This pod is really reaching longer than Pippen to defend Tory.
What Tory's father said isn't credible. He's arrogant and a nut to say "our witness". The defense and the prosecution sometimes call the best witnesses they have available. But the best available aren't always the most solid for your case.
Also, witnesses, for a variety of factors, switch up.
They are very biased on here because they should easily say the same thing about Kelsey. Kelsey was legally deposed and admitted Tory did it in September. That's why the prosecution called her as their witness. But she switched up on the prosecution and attempted to screw the whole trial.
Tory's problem was that he didn't want to take the stand in HIS OWN DEFENSE (probably cause he shot Megan). When that happens, the defense has to try hard AF to create a narrative with witnesses who saw what they saw or remember what they remember.
So blame Tory. Both for shooting Megan but also for arrogantly walking into court despite the fact that he did mad fu&&ery (including bribing Megan and Kelsey) that made him look guilty as hell
In court the prosecution tells a story and the defense tells the story, the more believable story wins. The defenses story isn't believable.
One drunk alcoholic woman slept with five her best friends men and she found out when they were both blk out drunk fought got beat up and shot her. Prosecutor says He got mad cause she said his music is not good and shot her. Which one sound real to you? Stop it
@@christopherlove7127 Meg said he shot her, Kelsey said he was the one shooting, Tory called to apologize after the fact never mentioning anyone else way to blame, the officer’s investigation conclusion says Tory was shooting, the 3rd party witness (neighbor) says Tory was shooting “everywhere,” plus he has a history of violence and couldn’t control himself enough to not punch August Alsina over a minor slight while awaiting trial. Yea I’m def gonna belief that’s the person that did the shooting.
Ya’ll down BAD still tryna prove Tory innocent. Just say you resent women & keep it pushin 😂
@@christopherlove7127 they both sound pretty stupid but we've seen Tory jump August Alsina over nothing so who are we to say what's believable and what's not.. that's also not how court cases go anyways
Right because you was there when that incident happened lol... august picture can say thousands of words... but the mug should of played it better tbh
@@jas1565 August had prior beef with Tory and he was sneak dissing, so Tory pressed him based off what he said behind his back... Tory didn't beat August up for no reason. Stop sneak dissing and you won't get beat up
Bro confessed on a jail phone. They out here defending him like Pac with the '94 charge.
No he didn’t. He said I’m sorry, I don’t even move like that.
He never said I SHOT MEG, I SHOT HER is a confession. You have to be EXPLICIT! Period!!
Going to school is very important. Education won't make most rich, but it teaches analytical thought and comprehension skills, which is lacking in this country. Many of our brothers are intellectually stagnant. It is frustrating to engage them in conversation. I absolutely refuse to moving foward. The handling of this case solidified want I always knew. They are desensitized to guns and violence against Black Women because they engage in it frequently. Note, this wasn't Tory's first run-in with the law.
I also understand that Joe probably was paid to spin the story, but Tory's admission of guilt via the phone call from jail was deafening. Tory also had the opportunity to take the stand but opted not to. Yet, many content creators are windmilling to save face or ignoring to discuss the phone call and are creating these fallacies in their undeveloped minds. None on this panel have a basic understanding of the law and or trolling for likes. They should probably stick to the usual discussions on top rappers, child support, passports, and submission.
Sis, it was said many, many, many moons ago "Pride cometh before a fall" that is why so many of our brothers are where they are. School taught me a lot of things but common sense and biblical truth was not it. There are MANY brothers rotting away in prisons and the grave due to pride and the inability to swallow and live in freedom and to see another day. These dudes care too much about the thoughts and opinions of others due to inadequacy of self-worth. It's daunting and sad.
Tory Lanez is the person to blame for the Tory Lanez verdict lmao
Aged like milk
I was hoping Tory was innocent until I heard the call he made to Kelsey from jail. He all but said he did it. Also, there’s no reason Kelsey would be at the hospital with Megan if she had just shot her. Sadly, Tory did it, IMO.
He wasn't apologizing for shooting Meg. He was apologizing for his role of how everything transpired after he threw his affair with Meg in Kelsey's face in the car the way he did, which enraged Kelsey and fought it out with Meg, then went for the gun to shoot at her...
She was betrayed. But the phone call audio doesn't mean anything but showed that KELSEY was buying time to get back at both Tory & Meg, and to cover her own butt. And the fact she got outta jail 1st before he did, then took his phone call at the hospital where Meg was.. It wouldn't surprise me that she tried to somehow persuade Meg that Tory shot her. From there, that's when she did that 80 minute interview of lies putting everything on Tory just to cover her own ass.. Why you think she asked for a full immunity on the stand? EJ King was the only one who actually cleared Tory's name by simply letting us know the gun was in Kelsey's bag at Kylie's house. And if you listen to the audio of gunshots, after those first 3.. You'll distinctively hear someone screamed "stop it man" then the next two shots would rang out. (You have to put on headphones for it to hear it better.)
We have to get away from the court of public opinion that Roc Nation steady pushing. And with Desiree Perez being there during the verdict proved 1000% they set Tory up from jump.
Tory Lanez' mistakes from all this was smashing two best friends, and not staying at Kylie Jenner's house.. My boi wasn't playa enough to handle it the way it should've.
He all but said .. ya’ll need to STOP twisting the phone call if anything why the hell is Kelsey talking to a man who allegedly hurt her friend sooo bad .. weird !
@@prettiiprettii2700 And allegedly hurt her as well. Smh.. I don't know any woman yet who would still interact with a man who'd beat the dog ish out of 'em.. Kelsey knew she was 🧢 asf for that 80 minute interview.. lol smh
@@kingsavage5832 y’all just acting like Stockholm syndrome don’t exist, but then again y’all probably don’t even know what that is. It’s also a fact that 8/10 abused women stay with their abusers. This is all fact, play dumb if you want to
@@blackjesus2473 The point is dude, I'd been around women with common sense.
Point Blank Tory needs to be held accountable for his accounts which the court made sure of
My problem is she said he deliberately shot her with intent and said “Dance Bitch”…Witness also said Kelsey shot and that they all were trying to kill her… everything was crazy and everywhere…not right for him to solely be the one to pay for all this bs and spend his life in jail
@@battlerudee the jury got it right.
@@battlerudeebut dance bitch dance was cap because they asked all parties involved did they hear him say that and they all said no
Man, this new dude is just irritating, litterally adds nothing to the pod but high blood pressure.
Nah he holding them to the fire. I like it
This podcast absolutely HATES that tory was found guilty. They can't stand Megan. But they'll never say it out loud though cause they wud be immediately canceled lol.
Bingo
People like you will believe whatever you want to anyway so you’re granted permission.
@@daholyspirit2783 wdym?! Bro was literally found guilty! 😂
@@marcrobinson010 ofc and despite the weird twists and turns this case had I still believe he’s guilty and she was victim (the ladder more than the former admittedly BUT we can’t assume they hate Megan and hate Tory’s verdict we’d be playing the hypocrite assumptions game a lot of people did with this case it isn’t right, as much as I dislike Queenzflips ways (a member of the show) 🤷🏾♂️.
Central Park 5 was found gully also!!! 🤔🤔🤔 and found out decades later they were 100% innocent! Just sayin!! I can name A LOT of ppl found guilty and later was found innocent
Roc Nation honestly has nothing to do with Tory, Kelsey & Meg situation. Tory's father and the fans just wanna point fingers at Hov as if he set this up.
Roc nation do
its obviously you dont much about whats going on here
@@luxe4744 I guarantee you can't explain it lmao
@ALexander yall think these corporations are playing games with yall they are serious about evil ... Jay z has big money and stocks in a prison ankle monitor... so it most like roc nation have prison stocks.. the cof of roc nations desiree perez, is a government informer who has to work with the government or else... megan is signed to 300ent, which was sold to universal record also she under roc nation mangerment.... Right now, three companies (Warner Records, Universal Music Group, and Sony Music Group) control around 90% of the depiction of hip hop. At the same time, two companies, CoreCivic (formerly CCA Corrections Corporation of America) and GEO Group, own almost all the private prison beds in the USA. What connects these two industries together? Vaunguard and Blackrock, which are the largest shareholders in both media and prisons!
Last year Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), the biggest name in the private prison industry, contacted 48 states offering to buy their prisons. One stipulation of eligibility for the deal was particularly bizarre: “an assurance by the agency partner that the agency has sufficient inmate population to maintain a minimum 90% occupancy rate over the term of the contract.
What kind of legitimate and ethical measures could possibly be taken to ensure the maintenance of a 90% prison occupancy rate?
Two months later an anonymous email was sent out to various members of the music and publishing industries giving an account of a meeting where it was determined that hip-hop music would be manipulated to drive up privatized prison profits. Its author, despite claiming to be a former industry insider, did not provide the names of anyone involved in the plot, nor did he specify by which company he himself was employed. As such, the letter was largely regarded as a fraud for lack of facts."
Jay black balled tory
If we could just have this amount of passion and energy for other things smh.
You talk as if there were more important things than discussing whether a famous rapper was guilty or not. I can't think of anything more important than that!
I have the same passion and energy for my career, cat videos, and beauty trends.
"Make music and stop punching people" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
These cohost are the definition of conspiracy theorist
DA of LA doesnt work for Roc Nation.
& Meg didnt press charges, state picked up case
Did y’all hear the self snitching Tory did😂
If he self snitched, he would have never got bail. That call ain’t prove nothing
@@MakaveliG17C maybe not to you but to the jury
Yeah. Everyone just acting like that shit didn't happen is wild.
@@MakaveliG17C oh course he would have gotten bail. What are you talking about, bro. People get bail on Murder and Attempt Murder everyday. He wasn't even charged with Attempt.
Tory could have been apologizing for telling Kelsey that he was having sex with Meg and starting a fist fight between the two girls causing one of them to fire a gun. Notice he said that the blowback would be on him. Who calls shooting someone blowback?
That leaked phone call Tory made to Kelsey proved his guilt
No it didn’t. It further proved his innocence. Kelsey would not be that calm and agree to bail him out
It wasn't leaked, evidence is available to whoever puts in a request after a trial.
@@JimmyCooks969 why wouldn't she be calm? Lol he shot her and she dont fck with meghan.... ofcourse she calm tf 😂
On a night that someone had bullet fragments in their feet, what else could be be apologizing for? What else is more important than that? Come on man
@@gas2421 he can’t feel bad she got hurt even though he didn’t do it? That was his girl and he instigated everything
I wish everyone realized the Prosecution has a right to interview all defense witnesses except for the defendant. Just like defense has right to depose prosecution witnesses except the victim. I need more people to understand how our CJ system and court system works. The defense has to send a witness list and the prosecution sends one. He will not win appeal based on charges and what he was found guilty on it.
Wrong wrong and WRONG. The DA has no right to interview the defense witnesses just like the defense attorney has no right to interview prosecution witnesses. Do you actually think a defense attorney for example, has the right to interview the police or let’s say in this situation, Megan 🤔 Nonsense
@omegaimperial1844 That's wild!! Of course they can, and should, interview witnesses.
Why do you need more people to understand how our CJ system and court system works???
What does Rocnation stand to gain by having Tory locked up?
Absolutely nothing
Everything. Their reputation was on the line
They not making money from him so they don’t want him making too much being independent
@@Miskeri1 You do know their artists include Rihanna and J.Cole right? Why the fuck would they care about Tory Lanez money and independence when they have cash cows?
@@JimmyCooks969 How does this affect their reputation and you think Roc Nations reputation hangs in the balance over the verdict of an up and coming female rapper? The stable built by Jay-Z and has Rihanna and J Cole as artists? Lmao. Who do you guys think Tory Lanez is
I guess they didn't hear Tory Lanes snitching on himself on that jail call.
Roc Nation offices are situated right next door to the police department.
Their CEO is a government informant.
Let that sink in.
They have alot of power, influence and money long
They can get tory out of jail if they want too thats how much power they have
That sounds like they are in a safe location and they are law bidding citizens lmao
Bruh if you're not a criminal this sounds like a bomb ass connect to have. F*ck those fake hood codes because the instant they feet are to the fire, they flip. Being a law abiding citizen is where it's at.
Y’all niggas need jobs.
All the witnesses speak to the prosecutor or the defense Attorney first. It’s not illegal. It’s not a conspiracy.
They have a right to know what the witness is going to say and ask them questions. Honestly, I’m surprised these grown men don’t know that. I’m pretty sure Tory’s attorney also met with the prosecutor’s witnesses before they testified. There’s a saying. Never ask someone a question on the stand unless you know the answer.
I think what happened is the Defense Attorney didn’t ask the witness the right questions.
They talked to the witness in the hall way. They saw him walk out the room right before testifying. They got that man to switch his story
😂😂😂 he’s Tory witness and Megan ppl call him in another room???? That’s fishy as fuxk
Listen….. Fact. The Prosecutor can speak to the Defense witnesses before they testify AND the Defense Attorney can speak to the Prosecutor witnesses before they testify. The point is to prepare their questions for the witness while they are on the stand. It’s not fishy. This happens all the time. And like I said. I’m sure the Defense Attorney (Tory’s Attorney) spoke to the Prosecutors witnesses first too. The Prosecutor just isn’t speaking on it because it’s normal.
This whole trial was crazy. To me it seems like everyone is hearing what they want to hear and is going with that. The witness may have told Tory’s Attorneys he saw a female with a gun/flash near her or whatever and they ran with that. They probably never asked him if their client was seen with a gun also and it backfired. There’s no way Tory paid his Attorney’s all this money and they didn’t question him again before he hit the stand. It’s not a conspiracy. Same thing for the Prosecutor. They should have questioned Kelsey again before she hit the stand. But I don’t hear y’all talking about that. Y’all sound dumb. This is how court goes. Tory’s Attorney’s should’ve questioned him before he took the stand and if they didn’t like what he said they didn’t have to use him.
I don’t think this witness really helped the Prosecutor. That’s my opinion.
@@steffdagreat7 Don’t act stupid. He said the Prosecutor spoke to their witness. The Prosecutor isn’t “Megan’s people”. The Prosector works for the STATE. The Prosecutors isn’t Megan’s Attorney. You do know this was the State vs. Daystar Peterson and not Megan vs. Daystar Peterson. The STATE brought charges against him. AND nobody owns a witness. They called him thinking he would benefit their side and he didn’t. His Attorney should’ve did a better job to prep their witness.
@@MakaveliG17C And why didn’t Tory’s Attorney question the witness before he took the stand? I’m assuming you’re smart enough to know they could’ve done that. They weren’t properly prepared. Period!!!!
Roc Nation is the New Death Row 😂🤣
Worse than Death Row. Roc Nation is working for the Illuminati
Please don’t have Flip as a permanent host. he ain’t addin nothin to this and he just like to hear his own voice
Wait do these people not know that the witness has to meet with both parties? That’s why torys driver couldn’t testify because there was no time for the prosecutors to interview him.
Not the day of trial and not to the affect that he doesn’t speak to the defense attorney. Y’all sound crazy!! My witness can have any interaction with my side as much as he/she wants! It’s my witness. Vetting a defense witness without the knowledge of the defense is beyond wrong
This is dumb, and this is why stupid people shouldn't be having these conversations. The whole premise of this so called 'conspiracy' is that their witness was interviewed by the DA. Well, the DA and prosecutors get to interview the defense witnesses before trial, just like the defense gets to interview the prosecution witnesses. If their witness told the truth to the DA and not to them, and they still brought him out as a defense witness, then that's a bad job on the part of his attorney. But their witness talking to the prosecutors before the trial is completely normal.
Never in the trial did the defense dispute the Meg was shot, they just tried to blame it on Kelsey. Ask yourself, what's more likely to have happened. Kelsey shot Meg because she was mad that she slept with people behind her back. Or that Tory told Meg to dance, shot at the ground near her feet, and a bullet ricocheted off the ground and hit Meg in the ankle. I'll go with the second one. Because if Kelsey shot Meg and then they got Tory to take the blame. Tory is the biggest simp in the history of man!!! Taking a charge for a girl who's not your wife isn't about any street code, or not snitching, it's just not a real thing. He shot Meg. And I'm sure the mil he offered Meg has now been delivered to Kelsey for her part in conveniently forgetting details she previously said when interviewed by the prosecution.
Shame is free! 😂😂😂. The man refused coz the defence called him hostile. The defence lawyers didn’t do their job well in vetting their witness the same way prosecutors did for Chelsea. If you had any sense you would know the evidence did him in not an unreliable witness. Stop being delusional
There was no evidence. It’s was actually more evidence that it wasn’t him. He didn’t have GSR on his hands. Kelsey did though. We’ll never know If Meg had GSR on her hands and/or DNA on the gun because they neglected to test her. Everyone in the vehicle should have been tested on a shots fired call.
Her name is Kelsey and it’s defense.
@@Sapphire305 Meg didn't shoot herself so her having GSR or DNA on the gun is irrelevant. Tory did have GSR on his hands. The prosecution had 47 pieces of evidence including the GSR on Tory's hands, 3 witness testimonies saying Tory shot Meg, Kelsey's text to Meg's bodyguard minutes after the shooting saying Tory shot Meg, jail phone call between Kelsey and Tory, Kelsey Sept. interview and an apology text from Tory.
Dafaq Queenflip be talkin bout
Compare Joe’s tenner from the Alec Baldwin shooting to this verdict. 🤷🏾♂️
Facts! Biased af😑
Tory lanez is the reason for the verdict & if your still blaming other people for his actions…. DELUSIONAL.
Accountability is a foreign word in " Tha Culture".
Tory is the only one to blame
No Meg’s lies are
@@JimmyCooks969 what about Tory's lies?
@@jas1565 he told none
@@JimmyCooks969 crazy cause he spent two years saying Meg was never shot, said Kelsey didn't do it.. what do you call it then when your story changes in court?
Maybe they expected the witness to commit perjury. If the prosecution asks something they gotta answer truthfully.
lol so you think the DA said for him to lie? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
these guys are morons, who are so stupid they somehow make QueenzFlip look like the intelligent person in the room, which is crazy to say
That’s hard to believe but I bet you think Tory paid “ hush money “ which they still til this day haven’t provided any proof. I tell you 😂😂😂😂 y’all sure do pick and choose!
@@daynarenee9046 lol if thought that, Yea that would be picking & choosing, I think he just a dumb young brotha who shot at woman drunk, just like his own witness said..😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂lmao
These man are just out here lying lol. He didn't say he saw any shots from any girl. He said he thinks he saw a flash near them.
Queenz Flip is over 30+ and still talk and think like a 19 20 yr old..His response is never relative to the question.. Straight foolish behavior
I don't like him
he was really annoying this whole discussion
Please send him back to the barbershop
I hear 4 men basically saying he did it but they don't want him to be punished for it. They admit that what he's charged with lines up with the facts and testmony of the case. But then they try to play schemantics and find the caveat that somehow absolves him of what he's convicted on.
And thinking he's going to win an appeal when they also admitted Tory's lawyers we're overly confident with a trash defense, the dad talks too much and Tory didn't take any of this seriosuly when he assaulted August? Hold these niggas accountable man. They bet on the wrong one and used this as a case to protect BMs character in the media.
He was going to get charged either way. They just held the wrong person accountable.
@@andrewswing9917 Going off the theory that BOTH Kelsey and Tory shot or he shot "in the air" doesn't make Tory infallable of conviction or being held accountable. If they have suffieicient evidence of Kelsey being guilty, they would have went after her all the same. But that's not what the evidence says. Sorry. It's going on 3 months and we're still shocked I see.
@Marshae1093 He was going to be charged either way is my point.
Tory was a felon, can't be around firearms ya know probably the 2nd dumbest law behind underage kids sexting.
@@Marshae-vw1nn But, they honestly should've gone the mistrial route knowing they were going to charge him either way.
@@andrewswing9917 honestly, no. His lawyers goal was confusion and slut shamming to counteract what 3 different witnesses testified to. And there are possible bribery and intimidation charges pending. Again, move on. He lost and didn't want to plea.
Man you'll tripping
For one the DA has the right to interview the witness. He don't have to come to the court room to do it either. You'll hate to be wrong.
Lord... we been though this already.... Jayz this, Jayz that, in Jayz news... There's one thing they leaving out.
You can't blame anything remotely like this on Hov because one reason...
" Hov did that, so hopefully you don't have to go through that. "
-Jayz.
hhaahahaha
Gay-Z is definitely behind this with the help off his snitch Desiree Perez
He’s on a jail call practically admitting it🤦🏽♂️
No he isn’t. You are speculating
@@MakaveliG17C what he apologising to the person that but him in jail for then because Kelsey apparently did it no him why is he saying he was drunk and out of control
@@MakaveliG17C I don’t live in the world of delusional like u internet foos the verdict came down. GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY! On all charges pack it up 🥱🤣
@@MakaveliG17C no dishonesty 2023 come to the light ppl its over
What they got to say after his jail call leaked
Tory Lanez is to blame. He lost control of a situation that a man is suppose to always control. And that's women. People can make all the excuses for him they want.. It doesn't spiral out of control if he doesn't let it. And that's real... 💯.
Nah free that man. He innocent
@@JimmyCooks969 Nigga, he on a jail call admitting he did it. And apologizing. Smh. Dude must never been to jail. Who the fuck talks crazy on a jail phone?? Fool did everything wrong. Smh.
That's exactly what it is and these bozos on the internet who have never touched a woman before don't understand that all this could have been avoided if Tory Lanez thought with his head and not his dick.
@@derricklawson7771 he didn’t admit anything. A lot happened that night and he played a part. Does not mean he shit shot her. You are just speculating. Kelsey would not be talking that calm and with that time after Tory just brutally assaulted her and shot her best friend
That's bs if we are subscribing to this whole liberation bs. He fd 2 best friends how he wrong if Meg knew but ain't even keep it a buck wit her own day 1???
Megan’s friend that all of sudden got quiet was the one that shot her since they both faught over the gun!!
Black sweater guy is super emotional and not bright
This dude Ish is thick-headed. He's misinformed and doesn't even know it.🤦🏾♀️
Tampering with the witness. Probably slid him some cash or threatened him. This whole situation was mad weird
His guilty maybe this sentence will save his life and stop him from being reckless. He won't get long sentence
Kelley admitted that he never told the detective that he saw Tory shooting the gun and that he is changing his story.
No he said he told them but they didn’t listen
no he didnt 😂 the misinformation and conspiracies people are spreading about this case is ridiculous at this point.
@@cosmictrinity11 The witness definitely stated that. Stop capping.
@@Sapphire305 sources? im going to need you to cite where in his testimony that was stated or where you got that from that he said that. quickly. otherwise, you’re the one that needs to “stop capping”.
@@Sapphire305exactly
How you “catch” someone in a public building. Be so for real.
You know what he meant
If that did happen right why would the DA let that be seen if they were doing slick stuff. People don’t understand the charges which is why they dragging Meg even though she the one got shot which is f up
@@rellysunshine9665 what did he meant then cause I worked in a courthouse for three years.
That case was one of the most weird and suspicious cases I've seen in Pop culture history period 💯💯 something still doesn't sit right with me about it
We’ll they couldn’t let Tory win because everyone believed Megan so networks,platforms on TH-cam, etc started blaming Tory as if he did with no evidence and if Tory would have won,well lawsuits would come next,so u know roc nation JAY Z power made calls to do work
That's what ppl say when they cant defend the indefensible.
@@nataliewalton5118 nah that's just my opinion, I honestly don't give a fuck about either of the two 🤷🏽♂️
That’s cause you don’t want Tory to be accountable for his actions
@@prestonchamberlain6789 it's just my opinion, I could give a fuck about Tory 🤷🏽♂️ this case didn't add up to me 💯💯
What is everyone not understanding that Tory sealed his fate with that jail phone call?
He didn’t admit to shooting her on that call. No one knew she was shot during that call. Even Kelsey said that Meg and her team said it was glass. Back to zero evidence that he’s guilty.
Tory sealed his fate when he carried that gun
@@RawJLP32 It wasn't his gun and he didn't pull it out. Kelsey pulled it. It was either her or Meg's gun. Period.
@@pennyproud1621 Listen y’all can argue all day long it wasn’t I don’t know where y’all from but where I am from if it’s 4 in a car and some illegal shit in there and nobody owns up to it every gets charged. U missing what his charges are and bcuz u to focused on Meg and Kelsey. Tory in order to shoot u have to carry it and it was in his vehicle unregistered loaded. The proved he carried they know it was loaded and that it’s unregistered and 3 witnesses put it in his hands did u not watch this whole thing and listen to how he broke down the charges he was convicted of shooting Meg. Women who have no records don’t have to carry unregistered firearms. Tory got previous gun charges are dumb. Meg stylist said the carry teasers and pepper again none of that shit mattered. His car his gun he aimed at someone which is assault in California
@@Sapphire305 we know 100% that it wasn’t glass, Tory defense even acknowledged that. Let that theory go
I find it funny how her fans trying to say she tried to protect him. She went and spoke to police 4 days after the incident, no one reported she was shot but her. She made a statement on ig the next day and said someone tried to harm her with intent. Meg is complete cap, she never tried protecting anyone
1. She could have said something that night. Something happened for her to say something.
2. It was the state against Tory, not Meg.
@@edubbs5556 meg signed an affidavit foh
@@MakaveliG17Cexactly! She's cap af and they eating it up! They all so slow!
They want him to win so bad. It’s so sad
If they were in a car driving crazy bumping old skool hip hop/reggae, flip might have come up with a better argument 🤣🤣.. This setting is too civilized for his brain to function 😂
The fact that roc nation pressed Tory before the iish hit the fan that says a lot
So if y’all can say that then WHY DID THE PROSECUTION put Kelsey on the stand! & so u all are SAYING PROSECUTOR BROKE THE LAW? And Y wasnt this brought up to the judge? Flip right y’all BIAS ON THIS
They put her on the stand because she was supposed to be their witness and she flipped the script.
@@Sapphire305 and what about THAT WITNESS? The defense lawyer has NO BLAME in this,?? The LAST THING THE JURORS asked for was Kelseys 80minute statement and that was ONLY ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE because of the DEFENSE LINE OF QUESTIONS that open the door for that to be played. They didn’t ask for the Witness testimony. Look NOONE IS SAYING TORY AIMED A GUN AT MEG and shot her, he did discharge that weapon being drunk and stupid. SAME WAY HE WAS DRUNK AND STUPID enough to go assault that August dude.
Tory NEVER THOUGHT MEG would speak! This is why we ended up here.
Tory brought himself here.
If anything works out in Jay-z or Beyoncé’s favor, then suddenly it’s bc of shadiness black magic goat sacrifices hell’s gates blood rituals and an african voodoo doll 😂😂😂😂 they can’t even wake up happy without somebody saying it’s somehow tied to Lucifer. Wtf
Nah Desiree Perez was behind the whole debacle
@@JimmyCooks969 I added “shadiness” as an excuse on the list above but where’s your proof of that specifically ? 🤔
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wow this clip is a BANGER!! well done JBP !! 🎉
Idc what y’all say. They 100% had an influence. This was Desiree Perez’s personal flagship project
Cry nigga
Make sure you donate to go fund me
You have receipts or just talking?
QF just talking to talk he don’t make no sense. They trying to stay on topic
somebody @ me when they talk bout Tory blaming his behavior on the alcohol smh
The only person here to blame is totally Tory Lame
I think Roc Nation did play a big part in Torey being found guilty because he did not sign with them and wanted to stay independent
That was a daffy ass discussion.
It’s hard to ignore the influence.
Jay Z & Desiree wasn’t in the car he should hold his son accountable for his actions & stop trying to point fingers at other ppl also y’all noticed he didn’t say my son is innocent and Kelsey did it 🤔
Queen.. Jay Z & Desiree have a very long history of doing people dirty, and covering dirt at the same time luv.. And the fact, Jay-z's attorney Shapiro was at the trial and Desiree showing up at the verdict proved 1000% that Tory was set up from the beginning. Don't get caught up in the court of public opinion Roc Nation steady pushing out here.. versus the actual facts & lack of evidence that doesn't point to Tory. Not to mention Kelsey (who's the actual shooter) admitted she lied in her original "private" statement, then ask for FULL immunity further proved his innocence.. We gotta stop dividing each other like this man, and protect our black sons & daughters from the evil industry and the crooked system because what happened with Tory, Meg & Kelsey was sad & all for nothing really...
@@kingsavage5832 Nobody told him to pull out a weapon he’s a grown adult and now he has to deal with the consequences of his actions
@@miamiles7996 It was never his gun, even EJ King said on the stand said he saw the gun in Kelsey's bag at Kylie Jenner's house. And if someone screwed you over the way Meg did Kelsey, then the two of you have a big ass brawl on the street & Meg got the best of you... Do the math sweetheart. No one was aware of any gun except Kelsey.
@@kingsavage5832 Well when his Dad was name dropping he didn’t mention Kelsey
"Somebody did this..." -Fab
This conversation is very nasty. Maybe one of you will have to have someone you love experience this for you to show some empathy and respect.
From what was presented, I don't see how he was found guilty of gun possession or assault. It sounds like the gun was Kelsey's and she shot Meg. Then he took the gun from her and shot in the air. So guilty for shooting the gun recklessly but not the other 2 charges. Something definitely seems shady.
Thank you for being able to retain actual information and thinking logically.
Listen to the gun shot audio. Nothing supports a struggle for the gun.
100%!!!! I don't think the gun was his and he definitely didn't shoot her.
@@michaelpeak2438right because most ppl lack those skills...ppl are completely brain dead 🤦🏾♀️
@@Zee006_ Actually there was a slight pause between the shots so listen again but if you want to go with what you just said then Kelsey definitely did it because the witness seen her go to the car and shoot first, so if there wasn’t a time for a struggle then that’s really reason Tory should be freed.
Roc nation definitely had a hand in this
Yes they are to blame. This wasn’t about justice, it was about protecting investments
Bingo!
So they put the gun powder on his hands
@@jaywill868 who put the gun powder on Kelsey’s hands? And why was Meg never tested for GSR?
@@rellysunshine9665 nobody cares. The jury deliberated and this is the result. Y’all blame everybody except the mf who did it. He literally told on himself in a jail call and y’all blaming Roc Nation when Meg never even pressed charges. Y’all niggas stupid.
Yupp. Which is why hip hop didn’t speak about it. Puppets
He did NOT say that he saw the girl go get the gun. It is not in the transcript. That’s a lie.
Again I will say that it’s the defenses responsibility to prep the witness !!!! Where is the accountability on the lawyers end here ? Did jayz pay him also ?
Aye Joe put up a new podcast nigga I’ve been checking for 5 days straight
They saw an opportunity and took him out..
Why? His catalogue aint worth shit lol...
Nah. He took himself out. All facts. He done shot himself in the foot.
@@mmabouts I love you for this 😅
Why was Tory and his team seen in an elevator with a member of the jury? Explain his to us just like you want an explanation for the D.E.A and the witness...
It was explained. There were reporters in that elevator. They said Tory didn’t speak to the juror. Everybody was just trying to get on the elevator. That’s way different than having a conversation in the back room right before testifying
The main question I have is.....what are you and anyone gonna do about it? Good luck lol