Atheism is a technology in Age of Empires II: The Conquerors that is unique to the Huns and can be researched at the Castle once the Imperial Age is reached. Once researched, it makes Wonder and Relic victories take +100 years longer for all players (including the researching player), and reduces the cost of Spies and Treason by 50%.
@@davidvondoom2853 It wouldn't, because it would have added time to his relic victory, too. And even if it didn't, the wonder would have won first, because by the time Machtlowa got all the relics, T90 had under 100 years to win for wonder victory.
*T90 Trolls Episode #3* request: TC sniping. Regularly snipe TCs, at the detriment of other strats. I recommend _Ethiopians_ (Shotel Warrior suicide squads), however any CIV is fine.
@@Vermbraunt However, in another 100 years, he might have destroyed the wonder, which meant he could have tanked the extra 100 years on the relic victory if HE wanted to counter-troll (and assuming T90 didn't resign).
Around 21:40 two villagers murder a priest, and one swaps sides. I like to imagine moments like that as some dramatic movie, where the town murdered a peaceful priest, and it's revealed that our tragic heroine was in love with them. But it's non-important in the scope of war. Age of Empire things.
When you took the fight at 23:00 against the cav and halbs, I thought "man, if only his crossbows were still alive. He could focus the halbs with the crossbows and camels on the cavs, and easily win this fight...wait, when did he lose his crossbows?" Pretty funny reveal later on.
It just makes his win even more of a flex, if those xbows had been working or even if they made it home eventually without getting fed to the palladins for free there would have been a lot more for the opponent to worry about
Honestly, i first i thought "c'mon man, wonder win is you just playing with your food" but Machtlowa was pretty close to win! if he broke into your base a little earlier and camped there with workshop from which he could have spam rams the game would go differently. and also, ATHEISM GODDMANIT
I am not sure atheism would have been worth it though, as it does cost 500 food and gold, that is a lot knights and other units he might not be able to afford then
But what I am saying is that if he didn't have that amount of resources floating, which is quite unlikely, he would even more certainly loose with the tech, as he probably wouldn't have been able to even get to the wonder at all
Love the series, love the channel, love how much variety you get from only one game. Yeah, if this carries on then definitely try to keep it positive or at least funny even if you think you're going to lose.
New challenge: collect all relics, get down to 1 year and eject them. then build a wonder. get down to one year and destroy it. Then win by conquest ;)
or to waste less time: collect all the relics, then build a wonder and then, after finsihing the wonder and before winning through relics, win the game through conquest.
I have a suggestion for a T90 Trolls Challenge.Lindisfarne Revisited: Vikings on Islands, win by relic victory (destroy enemy monasteries and steal their relics), only army units allowed are berserk line, galley line, longboat line, and monks. If this seems too easy, you could always tell your opponent that's what you'll do at the start. Alternately, ban galley line so you can't make navy until castle age.
But that wont prevent the enemy from making fire galleys in feudal, making water 100% lost by the time t90 would reach castle, it is kinda ironic but since the introduced the fire galley and demo raft, vikings been bottom tier when it comes to water, making using them on something like island extremely hard
That's what makes Vikings a challenge, despite ostensibly being a water civ. He'll have to survive without his fish, break back onto water (Castle near water and longboats? those produce pretty fast), then transport over some Berserks and Monks, burn down the monastery that the enemy has probably dropped their relics in, steal the relics, and then sit on them.
Trying to take water is gonna be an exercise in futility though, what is more likely to happen is that try and sneak a transport with some berserks and some villagers on and build a base on the opponent's Island. All these things combined is gonna make it a pretty boring "troll" really
35:57 We did it! We did it! We did it! Yay! Lo hicimos! We did it! First we built a bunch of palisade walls and archers that died. We did it! We did it! We did it! Hooray! We then clicked upto Castle Age and made camels and archery ranges We did it! We did it! We did it! We did it! Our army of camels all then died! Horay! we switched over to champions and forgot about our archers! We did it! Then we walled ourselves in like Fatslob and won the game!!! Yay! Whoo! Hooray! We did it!
"Forgetting" all those xbows and still winning is just a bm flex on the opponent lol this game would have gone quite a bit differently if those units were helping in the fight or doing eco damage to delay the waves of siege rams
The following only matters if you consider TH-cam as an important source of income. Since you asked for input, here is what I think. I like both you casting and playing games, but they are different things to me for different situations. What that means is, sometimes I will be in the mood for T90 cast, I open the email notification and it's you playing. As I said, I like that as well, but sometimes I am just not in the mood for it. What happens is I will close the message and unintentionally forget about the video. What I would advise you is to make a secondary channel. I know it's practically impossible to migrate all of your TH-cam subscribers to secondary channels and this may impact your income from the gameplay videos, but I think it will help with the focus, and ultimately, growth of your main channel.
Would still be a great honor to play against you in one of these troll challenges and I think it would make for great content, since I don't know most of the troll tactics. I know a few like the Persian TC drop and the Korean Tower rush. Idk but would be an honor
I'm sorry but how could machilowa not remember... like you never see wonders in a game. So once you see one it should trigger you to think "oh ya I have a special tech for that". Also, he also had his own count down how could neither of those things triggered his memory... Like that's a monumental rip. and it's worse that he clearly is a very good player. My theory is he had no idea the tech existed. I can't fathom that he forgot.
Or maybe he didn't have the spare resources, atheism cost 500 gold and food, that could potentially be a lot of paladins, he wouldn't be able to afford
@@GummieI To be fair, reserching it would have given him enough time during which his vils would have gathered more than those resources and T90 was pretty much out of eco already, so no real danger of him recovering.
Nice series, although the commentary takes a hit since you've to play and you don't have half of the game to comment upon until you see it coming. I don't think having a friend with you would help as casual chit-chat would be distracting and his suggestions might be seen as unfair. However here's another idea for a series- 1v1 game but both players will have a coach who is maybe top 10-20 in the world. But if the players aren't able to execute what is suggested, chances are the coaches would tilt much harder and cry tears of blood :')
man seeing huns in a wonder race reminds me of my shithead friend. me byzantine him huns. so me on defense for once. anyhow i get nearly all relics and he goes and researches atheism. eventually we are at war and im like u attack the church i steal the relic he went quiet i think because he was focussing. nope he was like O SHIT I DID ATHEISM eventually we ran out of troops the enemy rushed us in revenge and i notice i was slapped with +100 years. we nearly won but the timer ran out on like 1-5 years when the church fell.
Btw how do you click so fast and accurate.. when i used to play the mouse cursor ran to my opponents camp when i wanted to go to sheep at the corner of my screen
This probably the first time in 20 years since the Attila the Hun campaign where i saw an AOE2 game where Atheism is kind of useful. Worst unique civ tech ever.
@@reptarthealmighty717 nah, in 1vs1 you run out of gold very quickly, and in team games, since treason counts all the enemy vills, even with a 50% still will be 20-30k gold to research. And by time its affordable, means you are so ahead in the game researching atheism is complete useless
I like the series a lot, but I don't get the name. I mean, you have a special challenge tied to you as win condition, like handicap in Golfing. But what's exactly trolling about this? Could someone please explain?
@@AetherXIV Ah, so the title came to be after the game, or was the civ pick for Machtlowa also part of the challenge? And if so, did Machtlowa know that T90 was obliged to whe wonder victory, or was he just told to pick this civ to give him the means of making T90's life harder if Machtlowa happened to know about the Atheism tech? Thanks for explaining, unfortunately I did not have time to attend his streams very ofter so far, so I don't yet quite have a grip on the procedures that lead to these games.
Hey T90 can u please reply to this comment, i want to download aoe2 but i don’t know what version should i download. The forgotten? The conquerers? The HD version? The rise of the rajas? Which one do u recommend and which one do u personally use?
T90, you seem to have 0 input latency despite playing online. How did you manage this? How come you have no input latency when playing? I have a 0.7 seconds latency after doing port forwarding and having 90Mbs internet.
Atheism is a technology in Age of Empires II: The Conquerors that is unique to the Huns and can be researched at the Castle once the Imperial Age is reached. Once researched, it makes Wonder and Relic victories take +100 years longer for all players (including the researching player), and reduces the cost of Spies and Treason by 50%.
I'd have laughed if that extra +100 years gave him enough time for a relic victory. 😁
@@davidvondoom2853 It wouldn't, because it would have added time to his relic victory, too. And even if it didn't, the wonder would have won first, because by the time Machtlowa got all the relics, T90 had under 100 years to win for wonder victory.
The real troll/disrespect would be to go for a wonder victory as huns and research atheism.
*T90 Trolls Episode #3* request: TC sniping.
Regularly snipe TCs, at the detriment of other strats.
I recommend _Ethiopians_ (Shotel Warrior suicide squads), however any CIV is fine.
@@nightsong81 I had to check again. You're right. I guess on my phone's screen made the relic timer look like it was below 100 years.
"No holes as far as I can see. He hasn't made any scouts yet."
*Scouts immediately rush into hole at tree line
Overchop is a killer, innit?
Sorry, it doesn't count as "Wonder Victory vs. Huns" if the Hun player doesn't research Atheism. That's like beating Fatslob with a Drush.
TBH. The hun player could have won thru relic victory if he reasarched atheism...
@ really? he would also need +100 years more...
@ No it would have added 100 years to his relic victory
@@Vermbraunt
Oh... Right...
@@Vermbraunt However, in another 100 years, he might have destroyed the wonder, which meant he could have tanked the extra 100 years on the relic victory if HE wanted to counter-troll (and assuming T90 didn't resign).
The Huns forgot they don't believe in God.
This sounds like something out of a Bill Wurtz video.
Maybe they started cleaning their damn rooms.
Maybe he was just one of those academics that thinks the Huns believed in Tengri, and the atheism part was a Roman myth.
@@badgerlordpatrick6493 What rooms? They have no houses
No wonder huns lost.
Lol
@Addict C I wonder that too
XD
The old school AoK feeling when you're fighting paladins with pikes...
(Halbs were introduced in AoC)
Around 21:40 two villagers murder a priest, and one swaps sides. I like to imagine moments like that as some dramatic movie, where the town murdered a peaceful priest, and it's revealed that our tragic heroine was in love with them. But it's non-important in the scope of war. Age of Empire things.
Your knowledge of this game and awesome commentary to go with it is why I keep coming back to your channel.
When you took the fight at 23:00 against the cav and halbs, I thought "man, if only his crossbows were still alive. He could focus the halbs with the crossbows and camels on the cavs, and easily win this fight...wait, when did he lose his crossbows?" Pretty funny reveal later on.
It just makes his win even more of a flex, if those xbows had been working or even if they made it home eventually without getting fed to the palladins for free there would have been a lot more for the opponent to worry about
The only time when Atheism would be useful in the history of AOE2
Years ago Zeroempires had a wonder based ffa where atheism decided the fate of the game.
@@havingyarr Ok, also that one other time years ago...
I will always love how those deer are trying to socially distancing themselves from the scout x)
This game made me SO ANXIOUS. Man, I need to calm down, now. Such a relief at the end.
Honestly, i first i thought "c'mon man, wonder win is you just playing with your food" but Machtlowa was pretty close to win! if he broke into your base a little earlier and camped there with workshop from which he could have spam rams the game would go differently.
and also, ATHEISM GODDMANIT
Next troll game, relic victory
You had faith...
That he wouldn't research Atheism.
A fitting thing indeed.
In situations like that, just channel your inner Fat Slob and wall up, with some siege behind it. That'll take care of his ram rush. ;)
and scorpions. scorpions EVERYWHERE!!
lets admit it: he let it happen
Love this series T90. Please continue the challenges
Oh god, the VOD doesn't include the Machtlowa's answer at the end!!! :(
What he answered in chat? Why not atheism?
He forgot, apparently.
I am not sure atheism would have been worth it though, as it does cost 500 food and gold, that is a lot knights and other units he might not be able to afford then
@@GummieI not worth certainly losing? umm....
But what I am saying is that if he didn't have that amount of resources floating, which is quite unlikely, he would even more certainly loose with the tech, as he probably wouldn't have been able to even get to the wonder at all
@@GummieI Late reply but he had all the relics. If he added those 100 years then he would win sooner with a relic victory
I love that @25:04 he places farms around a mining camp 😂🤣💜
he places a mill also, but yeah those are some t90 desperation farms
Love the series, love the channel, love how much variety you get from only one game.
Yeah, if this carries on then definitely try to keep it positive or at least funny even if you think you're going to lose.
T90's crossbow army: standing strong in the north ... and standing ... and standing ... oh wait I totally forgot I have them ;-)
That graph is gorgeous... love it.
Really enjoyed seeing this. It would be fun to see more troll videos at some point.
I genuinely love the series, just started watching these but kinda got hooked... Keep uploading!!!!
I'm really impressed how well you know the game. Congrats on all your recent success!
Forrest Gump voice: "I love you Djenné!"
I'm glad you thought of it too. I was very disappointed he didn't recognize it
Scout attacks you with a spatha while you construct a building and say "There just kisses (of death) man" 6:01 hehehehe
New challenge: collect all relics, get down to 1 year and eject them. then build a wonder. get down to one year and destroy it. Then win by conquest ;)
Waste of time man
or to waste less time: collect all the relics, then build a wonder and then, after finsihing the wonder and before winning through relics, win the game through conquest.
T90 could you start including the challenge vote too?
t90 can't find his pig for 0.2seconds. OH MY GOD HE LAMED ME!!!!!!!
Is it me or does t90 love clicking random things 🤣
Am I the only one who thinks Wonder victories as hard to pull off in Arabia as conquest victories with certain civ-matchups?
I'm super disappointed the Atheism tech didn't finish when there was like 1 year left
Dude I bought this game day one when it came out and you are a million times better than me wtf
He is insanely good
He has played classic AoE2 for years now. AoE 2 DE is not very different from the classic.
I have a suggestion for a T90 Trolls Challenge.Lindisfarne Revisited: Vikings on Islands, win by relic victory (destroy enemy monasteries and steal their relics), only army units allowed are berserk line, galley line, longboat line, and monks. If this seems too easy, you could always tell your opponent that's what you'll do at the start. Alternately, ban galley line so you can't make navy until castle age.
You know galley's are not really used that much in water in feudal, fire and demo is what is used to take control over water during feudal really
Yeah, but part of my ruleset is Vikings so fire galley is out by default. Demos are permissible, I think, but only because they're so fun to watch.
But that wont prevent the enemy from making fire galleys in feudal, making water 100% lost by the time t90 would reach castle, it is kinda ironic but since the introduced the fire galley and demo raft, vikings been bottom tier when it comes to water, making using them on something like island extremely hard
That's what makes Vikings a challenge, despite ostensibly being a water civ. He'll have to survive without his fish, break back onto water (Castle near water and longboats? those produce pretty fast), then transport over some Berserks and Monks, burn down the monastery that the enemy has probably dropped their relics in, steal the relics, and then sit on them.
Trying to take water is gonna be an exercise in futility though, what is more likely to happen is that try and sneak a transport with some berserks and some villagers on and build a base on the opponent's Island. All these things combined is gonna make it a pretty boring "troll" really
35:57 We did it! We did it! We did it! Yay! Lo hicimos! We did it! First we built a bunch of palisade walls and archers that died. We did it! We did it! We did it! Hooray! We then clicked upto Castle Age and made camels and archery ranges We did it! We did it! We did it! We did it! Our army of camels all then died! Horay! we switched over to champions and forgot about our archers! We did it! Then we walled ourselves in like Fatslob and won the game!!! Yay! Whoo! Hooray! We did it!
22:31 i wonder if they grabbed the last relic.
sir plz its right there
oh no
Next troll game: the MONK VICTORY! (Using only monks to win.)
obviously you cant produce villager so you have to convert them if you wanna have additional ones
I like this very much, please do upload more games in which you play. doesnt matter if you win or lose :*
please upload all hidden cup matches to youtube....ilike to watchn them on yt...so...
DAMN, SON, CLOSE YOUR DAMN WALLS!
Farimba camels would’ve been so good here
You reeally could have used masonry and architecture here, it would have made every layer of your base last a few years longer
love the troll series!! :D t90love
"Forgetting" all those xbows and still winning is just a bm flex on the opponent lol this game would have gone quite a bit differently if those units were helping in the fight or doing eco damage to delay the waves of siege rams
This was ridiculously funny and entertaining :D
Loving the gameplay T90! please keep doing these!
Why did he not go something other than just paladins and halbs v pikes
He probably went all in on cav upgrades and thought he would win with that
Troll Series Yes!! -random fish
The following only matters if you consider TH-cam as an important source of income.
Since you asked for input, here is what I think. I like both you casting and playing games, but they are different things to me for different situations.
What that means is, sometimes I will be in the mood for T90 cast, I open the email notification and it's you playing. As I said, I like that as well, but sometimes I am just not in the mood for it. What happens is I will close the message and unintentionally forget about the video.
What I would advise you is to make a secondary channel. I know it's practically impossible to migrate all of your TH-cam subscribers to secondary channels and this may impact your income from the gameplay videos, but I think it will help with the focus, and ultimately, growth of your main channel.
The legend of T90 anyone ???
Great!!! love the fact u uploaded just as I checked tysm
Would still be a great honor to play against you in one of these troll challenges and I think it would make for great content, since I don't know most of the troll tactics. I know a few like the Persian TC drop and the Korean Tower rush. Idk but would be an honor
Sad that you missed the last relic by a bit in that right corner
This was so clutch.
11:02 “I wonder if...” 🤫
Take that, atheists!
Nono, they aren't atheists. He didn't research it.
Atheists would have won him the game by destroying the Mosque. Would have been quite fitting.
We DO like this new series
I want to sea the Fatslob challenge where you wall off until imperial age.
On Arabia.
I'm sorry but how could machilowa not remember... like you never see wonders in a game. So once you see one it should trigger you to think "oh ya I have a special tech for that". Also, he also had his own count down how could neither of those things triggered his memory... Like that's a monumental rip. and it's worse that he clearly is a very good player. My theory is he had no idea the tech existed. I can't fathom that he forgot.
Or maybe he didn't have the spare resources, atheism cost 500 gold and food, that could potentially be a lot of paladins, he wouldn't be able to afford
@@GummieI To be fair, reserching it would have given him enough time during which his vils would have gathered more than those resources and T90 was pretty much out of eco already, so no real danger of him recovering.
Keep Trolling!!!! *Pcdank1
Please do this again awesome videos
I am pissed that he didn't research Atheism
Nice series, although the commentary takes a hit since you've to play and you don't have half of the game to comment upon until you see it coming. I don't think having a friend with you would help as casual chit-chat would be distracting and his suggestions might be seen as unfair. However here's another idea for a series- 1v1 game but both players will have a coach who is maybe top 10-20 in the world. But if the players aren't able to execute what is suggested, chances are the coaches would tilt much harder and cry tears of blood :')
More playthroughs!
4:05 anyone else think he was about to lose vill under tc?
BUT WHY NOT ATHEISM?! - Asking cos we didn't see the answer xD
Deus Vult.
man seeing huns in a wonder race reminds me of my shithead friend.
me byzantine him huns. so me on defense for once. anyhow i get nearly all relics and he goes and researches atheism.
eventually we are at war and im like u attack the church i steal the relic he went quiet i think because he was focussing.
nope he was like O SHIT I DID ATHEISM eventually we ran out of troops the enemy rushed us in revenge and i notice i was slapped with +100 years. we nearly won but the timer ran out on like 1-5 years when the church fell.
Let’s see a game where t90 has to Korean tower rush
keep up the troll series plz
No atheism, I am disappointed :/
One of the few times the tech is useful, and he doesn't get it. Dammit.
Awesome game!!!
It was fantastic.
34:15 got him good
Great ending 11
MOAR TROLL
I like dem TH-cam troll
22:40 Macht takes last relic
nice vid man.
Btw how do you click so fast and accurate.. when i used to play the mouse cursor ran to my opponents camp when i wanted to go to sheep at the corner of my screen
How about this for next challenge: no hotkeys except unit numbering and idle vil.
And TC cycle.... Maybe....
That would not be trolling though...
The ads ruin this video for me. Great work keeping that wonder up though.
atheism intensifies
Anyway there is still no reasonable explanation for neither mass trebs nor atheism
hey T90! any youtube videos of HCqualifier coming soon? unfortunately twitch videos are tough to watch on vpn. China mainland problems =/
Good series t90, but please can you upload all the other FatSlob games? Those are my favourite and you only uploaded 1/5. Still love you tho
This probably the first time in 20 years since the Attila the Hun campaign where i saw an AOE2 game where Atheism is kind of useful. Worst unique civ tech ever.
Spies treason discount has its uses
@@reptarthealmighty717 nah, in 1vs1 you run out of gold very quickly, and in team games, since treason counts all the enemy vills, even with a 50% still will be 20-30k gold to research. And by time its affordable, means you are so ahead in the game researching atheism is complete useless
Yeah show your games too
Yes troll!
I like the series a lot, but I don't get the name. I mean, you have a special challenge tied to you as win condition, like handicap in Golfing. But what's exactly trolling about this? Could someone please explain?
its a troll because Huns should counter Wonder victory, less of a troll because the Huns didn't research their tech that counters Wonder
@@AetherXIV Ah, so the title came to be after the game, or was the civ pick for Machtlowa also part of the challenge? And if so, did Machtlowa know that T90 was obliged to whe wonder victory, or was he just told to pick this civ to give him the means of making T90's life harder if Machtlowa happened to know about the Atheism tech?
Thanks for explaining, unfortunately I did not have time to attend his streams very ofter so far, so I don't yet quite have a grip on the procedures that lead to these games.
Why doesn't T90 set mill to auto-reseed farms?
reason why i would never play such games (rts) too much clicking around, way too hectic.
proud of u
Review: salt is no fun. Why no skirms tho??
Where the farms the Wonder victory?
Hey T90 can u please reply to this comment, i want to download aoe2 but i don’t know what version should i download. The forgotten? The conquerers? The HD version? The rise of the rajas? Which one do u recommend and which one do u personally use?
You want hd and then voobly probably. You need all expansions to play most t90 games. Voobly is the platform they play on
Aerie Leah thanks for the reply man but what is voobly and even if i got hd and all the expansions how do i merge the expansions together?
You need to shamelessly steal Day9s funday monday. Where you set community challenges and commentate the best games.
T90, you seem to have 0 input latency despite playing online. How did you manage this? How come you have no input latency when playing? I have a 0.7 seconds latency after doing port forwarding and having 90Mbs internet.
wtf are those farms