@@aldeayeah what is the different between phrygian dominant amd bizantine scale? first time ever i hear about bizantine, i thought that the phrygian dominant was used in egyptian based movies
As a Byzantine Chant Channel, I approve, but just so you know, this is one byzantine scale of many. This specific scale is the hard chromatic scale, but technically the augmented 2nd is actually 20 Morea which translates to 3 and 1/3 half steps, which is epicly large
@@seraphimwieber3893Balin led an expedition of dwarves to recolonize Moria in 2829 of the Third Age, despite King Dain's reluctance. They retook portions of Moria, but were eventually trapped in the Chamber of Mazarbul, and killed by the Goblins and orcs that lived there.
I've yet to hear any Melflajango Bounce from him. It's like half-flamenco and half-Django style, and it ends in Melbourne Bounce. Or Melbourne Shuffle, in which case you exchange the bounce for a kerfluffle.
“Three is a different shade of two” hit different for me because I have synesthesia and, for as long as I can remember, 2 has been dark blue and 3 has been light blue.
The song Misirlou uses the Byzantine Scale. That crazy Greek folk song that later evolved into surf Rock music. Edit: 51 LIKES!! I didn't expect a comment to gain that many likes in the first place.
They're MODEs from aeo maj7 = Harmonic min A Harmonic min b2....Batshiet crazy scale = it's b6 mode (F lyd #2, #5) A Harmonic min #4....aka double harmonic min or Hungarian min F Lyd #2, #6 Harmonic min b5...it's b6 mode = Lyd #2, b7 or Mix #2, b7 ( Hungarian MAJOR) F Lyd #2, b7 do the samething to dorian dorian Maj7 = melodic min dor b2, maj7 dor #4, maj7 ( inverted lyd diminish or just Lyd b3 of Harmonic MAJOR) dor b5, maj7 = The OneEyeMonsta scale..lmao If you COMBINE Harmonic min b5 AND Melodic min b5 ( b6 and maj6) FULL dim W/H dor b2, #4 AND lyd b2, b7 or Mix b2 #4 = FULL dim H/W They're SYMMETRICAL example...if you play A full W/H you could also play....B..........D...........F............G# full dim H/W The trick is to VAMP it over the V chord ( G7) Becuase You can stack MAJOR, min. DOMINANT, full or half dim every b3 Jazz players will say...........Db is TRITONE sub of G7 G7 into C MAJOR E7 into A min G7...........................E7 .......Bb............Db... = N6 chords or you can even do this Loc Maj7...OneeyeMonata veriation 2.lmao you'll simply get a Mix #2 or you can keep track dominantish modes like this It's EASIER to use typical MODE terms..then just SHIFT a note or two Mix.........( ion b7) mix #2 Mix #4 Mix b2 Mix b6 Mix #2, #4 Mix b2, b6 ( phrygian dominant) mix b2, #4 phry b4 dor b4 aeo b4 loc b4
Not exactly, I have a comment above for the mode that he's using, and in traditional byzantine music, it is singed from lowest to highest as: a semitone, 10/6 of a tone, 2/3 of a semitone, a tone, a semitone, 10/6 of a tone, 2/3 of a semitone
I know this scale but I know it as the first of 3 modes in Klezmer, which is the phrygian mode but with a raised third so its a major third instead of a minor third.
This broke me, i can now only learn using this video, and only this subject. And might be trapped in this comment window permanently, I'll test that out after I play the vid a few more times.
Byzantine music uses multiple types of modes, which are called echoi, which are divided into 4 types, and those 4 types are divided into main and plagal. All of those echoi, in turn, are categorized by genus into diatonic, chromatic, and enharmonic. The "double harmonic major" mode that he plays here is a bit close to the plagal second type of echos or written more simply as plagal B, which is an echos of the chromatic genos. With the difference from the byzantine music (better called eastern roman chanting art) being that they don't use 12 tone equal temperament. Instead, they divide an octave into 72 microtones or as they're called "moria" (which is greek for molecules). As such, a diatonic tone close to the sound of a western large 2nd interval is the size of 12 moria and the minor second the size of 6 moria. The plagal B type of mode has 7 steps (as all byzantine modes and the above clip), which going from lower to higher are of the size: 6,20,4, 12 ,6,20,4 So in terms of western intervals, it is close to: a semitone, an augmented 2nd+ 1/3 of a semitone (10/6 of a tone), 2/3 of a semitone, a tone, a semitone,10/6 of a tone , 2/3 of a semitone
For the curious, the difference is this: - A second is the interval between two consecutive notes (there are no other notes in between). - A third is the interval between two notes that have another single note in between. - This distinction only makes sense in the context of a scale or key that has a defined set of notes.
@@aldeayeah but what is the diff between 2 intervals that have the same amount of notes in between but you call them either a aug2 or a min3? (keep in mind THAT THIS IS A TRICK QUESTION)
answer: there is no diff in jazz chord notation or jazz use. but its a discussion that classically trained folks love to talk about tho it has no real world use at all. in a jazz rehearsal we would NEVER talk about this at all since it doesnt apply to any problem that u would ever encounter ever
in the real world u would want to name your chords right or would want to use them right with the approp. scales. and u would want to use them in the right context but there would never be a discussion if #9 is the same as min3. never
D,Eb, F#, G;A;Bb;C# sounds the same regardless if any of it is b9 or min3. no one cares if the # or b's are correct. we're talking about this and the song is already over. start practicing the scale instead of talking about enharmonics or if there are diff names for the same interval.- we could be practicing whole step half step for 30min now and wasted a lot of time (friendly satire) .. .
@@s.p.e.n.c.e._.s.a.r.u.n.i yeah. Phrygian dominant, although can be used as the tonic, is actually in the dominant function. While byzantine scale is very tonic.
This is Egyptian, not Byzantine. Stop lying to people 🤦♀️
That's literally the name if the scale tho
@@justaweeb9086 its literally a joke
@@thepizzaguy8477 that was such a shit joke I couldn't tell it was one
@@LiuJimmyJymzo not necessarily.
@@justaweeb9086 fair
Movie soundtrack when the action takes in Egypt
*in a desert
Yup along with her buddy scale, Phrygian Dominant
@@aldeayeah Play with a badly sampled sitar
@@aldeayeah what is the different between phrygian dominant amd bizantine scale? first time ever i hear about bizantine, i thought that the phrygian dominant was used in egyptian based movies
@@mrbencker1074 if I remember the other one correctly the difference is in the 7 (b7, aka dominant)
D-Eb-F#-G-A-Bb-C#
D-Eb-F#-G-A-Bb-C
please add captions for british english, i don't know what a half step is
Crotch
Semitone
a semitone (i know you're joking but)
Good one
semitean
"three is a different shade of two"
no, no, he's got a point.
🤘
i actually perform byzantine music, and this scale does get used regularly. i LOVE sightreading it!
any examples?
@@guilhermetavares5035Byzantine Orthodox chants
Wrong. Learn how to read notation; nothing follows this progression
0:21 "Three is a different shade of two..." Mathematician HATE this simple trick!
Meh they’re both positive, prime integers. They’ve got way more in common than they have apart.
@@21centuryhippie61 So three is indeed a different shade of two, confirmed?
@@RussellTeapot yeah why not. :)
As a Byzantine Chant Channel, I approve, but just so you know, this is one byzantine scale of many. This specific scale is the hard chromatic scale, but technically the augmented 2nd is actually 20 Morea which translates to 3 and 1/3 half steps, which is epicly large
does the step size have to do anything with the 7th harmonic?
Bro. The westoids have no idea what you are talking about. I love it. ☦️
@@seraphimwieber3893Balin led an expedition of dwarves to recolonize Moria in 2829 of the Third Age, despite King Dain's reluctance. They retook portions of Moria, but were eventually trapped in the Chamber of Mazarbul, and killed by the Goblins and orcs that lived there.
@@bardsamok9221The Dwarves delved too greedily and too deep. You know what they awoke in the darkness of Khazad-dum... shadow and flame
Dude could literally make every music genre if he wanted to.
I think they're called musicians, it's truly magical
That's why you learn music theory :D
I've yet to hear any Melflajango Bounce from him. It's like half-flamenco and half-Django style, and it ends in Melbourne Bounce. Or Melbourne Shuffle, in which case you exchange the bounce for a kerfluffle.
That is what learning music theory does to a person
But instead he blessed us with this holiest of music, that's why he is the chosen one
“Three is a different shade of two” hit different for me because I have synesthesia and, for as long as I can remember, 2 has been dark blue and 3 has been light blue.
When 3 is actually a different shade of 2
As a synesthesiac sometimes letters and numbers don't have consistent colours but... almost always consistent tastes. Four tastes like potatoes.
@@viscountrainbows2857when you be eating numbers (this sounds SUPER interesting though)
A wasted opportunity to add RGB sphinxes into the mix...
Although I understand that those are hard to come by.
Might as well just call it the Holy Scale.
I dare you to make music with the Persian scale.
The holy scale 🤣
The song Misirlou uses the Byzantine Scale. That crazy Greek folk song that later evolved into surf Rock music.
Edit: 51 LIKES!! I didn't expect a comment to gain that many likes in the first place.
pulp fiction moment
Plump fiction is a vibe
Is it greek? I thought it was arab
@@dominikweber4305 It's known as Hijaz Kar in the Arab world.
@@IAmDylanPowers some maqam slap hard when used in rock songs
"Three is a different shade of two"
...What type of leaves must one smoke to come up with something like this lmao. It's great
byzantine scale is symmetrical (around the tonic)
or double harmonic scale
or whatever you call it
They're MODEs from
aeo maj7 = Harmonic min
A Harmonic min b2....Batshiet crazy scale = it's b6 mode (F lyd #2, #5)
A Harmonic min #4....aka double harmonic min or Hungarian min
F Lyd #2, #6
Harmonic min b5...it's b6 mode = Lyd #2, b7 or Mix #2, b7 ( Hungarian MAJOR)
F Lyd #2, b7
do the samething to dorian
dorian Maj7 = melodic min
dor b2, maj7
dor #4, maj7 ( inverted lyd diminish or just Lyd b3 of Harmonic MAJOR)
dor b5, maj7 = The OneEyeMonsta scale..lmao
If you COMBINE
Harmonic min b5 AND Melodic min b5 ( b6 and maj6) FULL dim W/H
dor b2, #4 AND lyd b2, b7 or Mix b2 #4 = FULL dim H/W
They're SYMMETRICAL
example...if you play A full W/H
you could also play....B..........D...........F............G# full dim H/W
The trick is to VAMP it over the V chord ( G7)
Becuase You can stack MAJOR, min. DOMINANT, full or half dim every b3
Jazz players will say...........Db is TRITONE sub of G7
G7 into C MAJOR
E7 into A min
G7...........................E7
.......Bb............Db... = N6 chords
or you can even do this
Loc Maj7...OneeyeMonata veriation 2.lmao
you'll simply get a Mix #2
or you can keep track dominantish modes like this
It's EASIER to use typical MODE terms..then just SHIFT a note or two
Mix.........( ion b7)
mix #2
Mix #4
Mix b2
Mix b6
Mix #2, #4
Mix b2, b6 ( phrygian dominant)
mix b2, #4
phry b4
dor b4
aeo b4
loc b4
Not exactly, I have a comment above for the mode that he's using, and in traditional byzantine music, it is singed from lowest to highest as: a semitone, 10/6 of a tone, 2/3 of a semitone, a tone, a semitone, 10/6 of a tone, 2/3 of a semitone
When he said “three is a different shade of two” I felt that
Yep. Feels similar to minor sixths over major chords and minor seconds over any chords, but neither of these are as intense.
Ok, I've listened to this way too much. I'm catching myself humming it without even realizing it. The augmented second really *is* a mood
as always i have more questions that i want to admit
50 shades of two
this is a certified byzantine classic
0:15 dont think i wouldnt notice that typo on the becasue
"I love the smell of Greek Fire in the morning"
When Messiaen modes of limited transposition video? :(
I know this scale but I know it as the first of 3 modes in Klezmer, which is the phrygian mode but with a raised third so its a major third instead of a minor third.
Yeah it's very reminiscent of freygish
Found this while looking for examples of this scale and never expected such gold! You are our new favourite channel
❤️ welcome aboard 🐠🐠🐠
You should sell a music theory course
Brosepths, I love TH-cam for things such as this. Thank you from the Byzantine empire.
People who want to make a scene in Egypt:
"I could milk you"
unironically the best way to learn music theory
This broke me, i can now only learn using this video, and only this subject.
And might be trapped in this comment window permanently, I'll test that out after I play the vid a few more times.
very generous of them to name a scale after me
What a fucking masterpiece
Mario desert level ass scale
my last brain cell during the exam:
He went from minor seconds to augmented seconds. I see what's happening here
He's doing a chromatic enclosure. Next video is gonna be on natural seconds
Arabian desert scenes in movies with sepia tone filter be like
Also Known as Double Harmonic Major.
One of my favorites
#ByzantineGang
Great, now I'm cursed.
oh, so this is the scale from that yellow egyptian cat video i was researching
Byzantine music uses multiple types of modes, which are called echoi, which are divided into 4 types, and those 4 types are divided into main and plagal. All of those echoi, in turn, are categorized by genus into diatonic, chromatic, and enharmonic. The "double harmonic major" mode that he plays here is a bit close to the plagal second type of echos or written more simply as plagal B, which is an echos of the chromatic genos. With the difference from the byzantine music (better called eastern roman chanting art) being that they don't use 12 tone equal temperament. Instead, they divide an octave into 72 microtones or as they're called "moria" (which is greek for molecules). As such, a diatonic tone close to the sound of a western large 2nd interval is the size of 12 moria and the minor second the size of 6 moria. The plagal B type of mode has 7 steps (as all byzantine modes and the above clip), which going from lower to higher are of the size:
6,20,4, 12 ,6,20,4
So in terms of western intervals, it is close to:
a semitone, an augmented 2nd+ 1/3 of a semitone (10/6 of a tone), 2/3 of a semitone, a tone, a semitone,10/6 of a tone , 2/3 of a semitone
This should have been the theme for the gerudo dessert in botw
whats the exact difference between an aug 2nd and a minor 3rd.. (dont answer, its a trap, it only gets worse from here)
For the curious, the difference is this:
- A second is the interval between two consecutive notes (there are no other notes in between).
- A third is the interval between two notes that have another single note in between.
- This distinction only makes sense in the context of a scale or key that has a defined set of notes.
@@aldeayeah but what is the diff between 2 intervals that have the same amount of notes in between but you call them either a aug2 or a min3? (keep in mind THAT THIS IS A TRICK QUESTION)
answer: there is no diff in jazz chord notation or jazz use. but its a discussion that classically trained folks love to talk about tho it has no real world use at all. in a jazz rehearsal we would NEVER talk about this at all since it doesnt apply to any problem that u would ever encounter ever
in the real world u would want to name your chords right or would want to use them right with the approp. scales. and u would want to use them in the right context but there would never be a discussion if #9 is the same as min3. never
D,Eb, F#, G;A;Bb;C# sounds the same regardless if any of it is b9 or min3. no one cares if the # or b's are correct. we're talking about this and the song is already over. start practicing the scale instead of talking about enharmonics or if there are diff names for the same interval.- we could be practicing whole step half step for 30min now and wasted a lot of time (friendly satire) .. .
I’m vibing hard
Is this the same as the Phyrgian Dominant mode? I've never heard it called the byzantine scale, always cool to find out a new name for something!
actually, it's phrygian dominant with a major 7th, like harmonic minor
It’s identical to the double harmonic scale
@@thunderbreakergaming4196 aha, thanks for the correction
D Phrygian dominant - D Eb F# G A Bb C D'
D byzantine - D Eb F# G A Bb C# D'
I think the only difference is the 7ths
@@s.p.e.n.c.e._.s.a.r.u.n.i yeah. Phrygian dominant, although can be used as the tonic, is actually in the dominant function.
While byzantine scale is very tonic.
I don't know what any of those words mean but it's fire.
"Well Seth thankk you for byzantine but I have to leave" (Marsha got better thing to gave to me)
This is a mood
spanish gypsy i'm BEGGING 🙏🙏🙏
Sounds like the song from Scott Pilgrim with the demon hipster chick's and the pirate guy
Sounds like Nintendo Boss Music
Nice
I thought I discovered this scale before I saw this video😂
Is this the same as the Phrygian major, Hijaz and Kletzmer scales?
It's almost the same, but the seventh note is a semitone higher.
Ok but wher is the third rrrrich's scale that i be proud of?!
With the only downside that byzantine has 8 different sounds... Not only Hard Chromatic Scales .... But I get your point
You know a new Seth David video is gonna be good when the thumbnail colour is inverted...
Desert music in other words
I'm just waiting for Big Daddy Kane to show up in these comments and shut down all of this half-stepping.
Music when desert area
I thought this was the Iranian scale? I may have heard different though.
You should try the Hungarian Minor scale
ok
@@SethIsDavid ko
That was rad
Mario Desert Levels
Ok, of this I need 80 more bars
make the 7th note flat, and you get phyrigian dominant, a.k.a. in middle eastern maqams: hijaz
speeds
0.75x | EGYPTIAN CONFIRMED
1x | Normal
1.25x | Mission Impossible?
1.5x | sounds like a intense song
1.75x | when the producer is in a rush
The hookah scale
Doesnt Zimmer's Dune soundtrack use this too?
Isn't the key difference between this and phrygian dominant the seventh that isn't flattened?
The miserlou scale
Ghost?
Gives me Smyrna vibes
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙏🙏🙏
*Arabian Dances by Roland Barett*
Where are the cataphracts?
True.
It's not the byzantine scale. It is occasionally used in byzantine of course. It's called hijaz mode.
I thought this was the Klezmer scale
Constantinople type beat
I came here for anti dandruff shampoo and learned to play the guitar…
this sounds better than my song bruh
Also Known as .
0:25 I like the tom fill
Nefer? Thut? Where are you?
weezer
Is the byzantine scale double harmonic?
Are you sure it has augmented 2nds? I'm pretty sure Byzantine is 1,b2, 3, 4, 5, b6, #7,
In other words, phrygian dominant with a raised 7th.
Yes, there are three half steps between the b2 and 3, and between the b6 and 7, which are both augmented 2nd intervals.
@@neobritt3271 ah I see. I thought he was referring to the interval between the 1st and 2nd.
🤘👌
Ohh
So long sentiment
The F in the u of particular sounds wrong to me
ok
EASTERN ROMAN scale
The what
Early gang?
If any scale had to be Egyptian it'd probably be this one not harmonic minor
real ones know this as tone 6 😎🙏
I always call it the arabic scale 😅 good to know