I’m on quite a streak now… 🤦. I must be doing something right as I keep gaining subscribers but putting in all this time, effort and pellets sorting out junk is getting old. I actually had high hopes for this gun. I was pretty disappointed in seeing how janky the trigger system was when I pulled the stock off. My cheap, Chinese model 62’s use the same type of system. Funny how my ‘85 model still works after 38 years and this Norica didn’t last 5 days.
Great series, AG. I love Norica but they shoot themselves in the foot pretty regularly. Gamo USA has the mid-power cfx for $140 right now and shipping is very reasonable. IMO, the cfx is the most accurate budget springer ever. I think Gamo has the best budget sights, too. As good as your eyes are, there is no telling how far you could reach out there with it.
Thanks! I just sent the Norica back today. The gun I replace it with will be in a whole different direction. 😏 😄 I think viewers will find it interesting. I’m looking forward to it. Unfortunately Amazon is taking forever at sending out a shipping confirmation.
Thanks, that’s good to hear. Surprise surprise I’ve still not received even a courtesy reply to my email about my problem from Norica. They seem like a garbage company with zero customer support.
My underlever is pretty cheap too, but the action has more to it. The piston spring latches back via a separate stage with its own pair or springs. The trigger is not the sear directly.
I don’t know much about how springers connect the trigger to the piston but I thought this Norica looked pretty cheap and janky. I now see why the trigger was so stiff.
I have a Gamo Swarm Whisper that is deadly accurate and awesome to operate, made in Spain, Hatsan Striker 1000s made in Turkey, bought thr Springer and vortex versions, Springer version was hard to shoot during the break in, after 500+ shots and some moly lube in the internals, smooth as butter,the vortex was always really harsh and lost its pressure in storage for no reason, installed a lower power spring in it ,and it's a great 12 to 14FPE .22 cal plinker now
Your experience with the vortex is what worries me about gas rams. I remember the Mag-Fire Extreme I had for a short time was slightly smoother than an equal priced springer. My Hatsan Mod 95 springer is very unpleasant to shoot. I should do research into what goes into lubing the spring with moly grease. I think anything I do would be an improvement.
@@airgunsofalaska i have both disassemble and not to lube the internals on Hatsan Springer's, ,just don't over lube, I remove the stock ofcourse and use a 1/4 inch flathead screwdriver, fill the tip and apply 3 tips full to the spring, assemble and fire the gun ,after some shots you will feel the gun smoother,can diesel a bit ,but won't detonate after some 15 to 20 shots should stop smoking,I like Hatsan Springer's, but not the vortex one's
@@mrmoreton For all the comments I get from guys who really like their Hatsans I should give mine another try. It’d be iron sight only as it bent the scope stop screws and damaged the threads in the holes. The gun is a brut on scopes. Iron sights will likely be more fun anyway.
@@airgunsofalaska I made a short some days ago about the scope stop on another channel, maybe it could help,I install them to hold the front scope ring, look for ,how to install a hatsan scope stop for better eye relief, maybe If you install it that way it could still work,hope it helps
@@mrmoretonI’ll have to look as I don’t remember how many threaded holes my spring tube has? I suspect it’s the same layout as yours so if I use two piece rings this could work!
Norica sounds and look like the low budget air rifles sold to people who shoot air rifles once in a while for plinking. I cant imagine that air rifle was made in Spain, but you never know. I wish you would have attempted to charge the rifle internals in the vise to see if the spring lock/trigger was the culprit. Awesome content. .
Thanks! Had I planned to keep the gun I’m sure it could have been repaired but I wasn’t going to go that route with something brand new. I believe Airgun Depot has a 30 day return window and I wanted to make sure I fell with in so I could get my money back. From everything I researched it was made in Spain. I’m guessing they cheaped out on certain parts?
Do you know what joules it was? It's a little bit of a 'out of interest ' type question as I'm trying to find what i can get here and make comparisons to what i had in the UK. Laws are stricter here. Thanks.
No problem, 23.86 joules is the highest I saw out of three shots using 14.3 gr Crosman pellets. The video is here, starting at 8:41 th-cam.com/video/SetkUbaW7To/w-d-xo.htmlsi=i-MjwD8xqNCQjgz7
It’s unfortunate the gun proved to be unreliable. I’m happy I was able to return it for a full refund. I just bought a remanufactured Gamo Swarm Hornet and have been very impressed with it so far. It’s been a much easier gun to shoot accurately than the Norica was.
@@airgunsofalaska I have the gamo exclusive Gamo Swarm Hunter in 177. So far so good. I love the self loading gimmick but after owning it a while I actually prefer seating the pellets by hand on break barrels.
@@dudespin I’m really pleased with how well the system has worked so far. I have my reservations about long term reliability but I’ve been getting lots of comments from viewers that have had positive experiences. Thats super encouraging!
Sorry to see the results! I wouldn't have ordered the Gamo CFX if it didn't have a good reputation for the last 10 years! I wanted the Gamo CFX Royal (wood stock) but not available in the USA. With an easy trigger upgrade they are really well liked and very accurate per the forums. I thought about the Stoeger S6000 wood and the Umarex Synergis, but both were too new to the market. Even though my buddy at First State Airgun calls his Synergis old faithful. What about the Hatsan Torpedo 155 or Diana 460?
I remember looking into the CFX but it didn’t appear to be readily available from vendors. Plus I’m always needing to watch shipping costs. I also looked into both the Stoeger and Synergis. The Synergis had questionable reliability and reviews, plus I wasn’t interested in a repeater. The Stoeger was made in China and had the odd pop up mechanism that looked like it’d probably cause problems down the road. I almost ordered a Hatsan underlever until I found the right video that showed how the entire barrel unlocks and slides forward to load. I didn’t like that aspect at all. A Diana 460 is above the price range I was looking for at this time. I’m sure it’s a nice gun as I’ve never had a bad Diana.
Looks like your suspicions were correct, it's a bummer but true! They cheaped out and didn't make a critical part correctly (or make sure their supplier was making them correctly). No Noricas for me then I've also had it with guns that don't even work. Can't believe how hard it can be to find a functional airgun these days.
Sigh 😔…. It shouldn’t be so difficult to find a decent priced airgun that is made well. I don’t know how many pellets I put though it but it’s likely under 200. That’s just unacceptable reliability. What sucks is it was showing promise with accuracy at 35 yds. Still, the gun was never pleasant to shoot and the trigger was pretty awful. I already ordered a totally different kind of gun to replace it. I went in a much different direction so it’ll be interesting to see what guys think on the channel. I’m guessing it’ll probably be around 2 weeks before it makes its way up here. I’m with you, no Noricas for me.
@@airgunsofalaska At least you shouldn't have any trouble getting your money back with all the footage you have. I'm interested to see what you're trading it in for! Maybe it's for the best if it wasn't that enjoyable to shoot anyway. Me I splurged on 362 upgrades, with how unreliable everything is it makes sense to invest in the 'lego gun' of airguns, learn to work on them, have spare parts around. At least I should always have a decent shooter that way. Hey just a heads up Wlmrt has been out of the usual cheap Crosman pellets for over a week now I hope the price of all pellets doesn't go way up.
all gasram springers have the same side locking of the piston . central locking is een pin in the center of the piston with a hook at the end , the most used in weihrauch and other
I just looked up the parts diagram for an HW35 and the trigger assembly looks more sophisticated than this Norica. The piston looks to latch in the centerline of the piston at the rear. I didn’t realize that gas ram guns lock on the bottom of the piston. I don’t think that’s a very good design from the standpoint of trigger feel or safety? After this experience and my .22 cal Model 62 Chinese springer I have a much more healthy respect for the power of a compressed spring and what can go wrong if it releases unexpectedly.
in other models they use a better trigger system ,but this is only for weak springs usable . if you can not send it back , put a weaker spring in , and a diamond file to make to the engagement excact of the sear in the piston , it looks that it not deep enough in the piston , also maybe the piston is not very wel hardened
As always thanks for your input and advice. I’m pretty confident if they give me any grief over the return I can push the safety factor and that I could have been injured or hurt someone else or property. I doubt any company would want to fight about something that fires out of battery.
@@airgunsofalaska i had a diana 54 , the central pin broke out the the piston head . they made later a piston that had the pin crimpt in the piston head . it can happen with all brands , like cars and other products , i think the spring it to heavy for the system in that norica
That makes a lot of sense. I don’t know why YT didn’t give me a notification of this comment last week? Still, with 104 years of experience NORICA should know better. Plus their customer service is absolute trash. There is zero excuse in this day and age to not have the decency to provide even a courtesy answer to my multiple emails.
I might be wrong but it does have an adjustable trigger if sear sear is acting like you have shown the trigger is well out of tune have you been tinkering and set it way to light causing a hair trigger
That really sucks. So frustrating. If you get your money back and look for another rifle to play with. Check out the Umarex Airem 2. I got one 2 weeks ago and its been OK so far with maybe 1000 pellets threw it. The stock screws came loose immediately but no big deal and the Scope that came with it the mounting screws tend to get loose. I wanted a .177 high powered break barrel and Amazon has this one dirt cheat on sale $71. It seems to be very well constructed. The reviews I watched were good for the most part. Oh its gas piston which was what I was looking for. I know you were wanting a springer. Anyway thought I would mention it. I've had good luck with most Umarex stuff. Hope you get your money back.
I’ve been really impressed with the build quality of Umarex CO2 replica pistols. I’ve never owned one of their break barrels. I checked out the Airem 2 and like the Picatinny rail on top. Right now the gun that’ll replace this Norica will be focused on accuracy as my number 1 priority. Not that the Norica was bad in that regard, I just want something more refined and easier to shoot but still in this price range.
@@airgunsofalaska I also have a Gamo Swarm Magnum Gen3 that is really more accurate so far than this Airem 2 I just bought . I think I paid $319 a year ago and its taken me most of that year to be able to shoot it accurately at 30 plus yards. Its a gas piston as well. The Gamo Swarm doesn't have open sites and I really like having that as an option. I hope someday to buy a really nice $600 to $700 springer to see what that is like but that probably won't happen in the near future.
@@JohnLong-ch1mc I’ve never shot or owned a Gamo so I don’t know what they are like? I was taken aback my how much nicer and more refined my Diana 34 was compared to this Norica. I shot them back to back on Monday and it was eye opening. I think a guy who shoots lower priced guns for a years and then buys a more expensive, even what some call “budget level” Diana or Weirauch will be the person who most appreciates how much nicer and better made the German guns are. I was that guy and kinda laugh at the big TH-cam channels calling a Diana model 34 a budget gun. The thing is $407+ dollars now! That’s not cheap. I’d like to eventually buy a Weirauch as seemingly everything I read about them is positive. I’ve never owned one but their reputation seems to precede them.
Well, I do not know what say about that... I know when I first got into Air guns a few years ago I had big expectations of cheap air guns, thought the German and British air rifles were too expensive. However, I have 5 cheaper and mid-range springer and gas piston air rifles now that do not shoot that well at 15-20 yards, that equal to one of the expensive ones... And they are proven to shoot better... Expensive lesson... YES that was a pun...LOL Big C out. 😎
Looking back on my purchase history for the past 20 odd years, every time I buy a springer that wasn’t made in Germany or England I’m disappointed. I’m not sure why I keep repeating the mistake? I guess I was hoping Spain had something figured out.
@@airgunsofalaska I know what you mean... I will say out of the 5 spring/piston air rifles, believe or not the best shooter is my Gamo Rocket... It was a Gamo exclusive $79 back when I bought it, however you can no longer get that model, it was replaced with a gas ramp piston... out of the box even with the cheap scope it did ok... I now have a UTG scope on it that is almost twice the cost of the rifle, but it defiantly helps the performance..."DON"T USE CHEAP SCOPES"... Just from experience... Anyway, I'm sure you will come up with something to review in the near future...Big C out, 😎
As you probably know, I've been watching a bunch of your videos. I hope you got your money back. I know the Noricas from the 80s were decent guns. I own a couple of Noricas that basically have "throw back" actions with no issues, the Black Eagle and Storm. These have the two stage adjustable triggers. A lot of Norca's present guns still use direct sear triggers, which I try to stay away from. Those are usually the guns with slightly angled triggers. I know nothing about their newer "grease gun" designs and I'm not willing to spend a lot of money to find out. 🙄
Yes, fortunately I was able to get my money back on this one. Pretty disappointing it didn’t even last a week of shooting. I learned from this gun and the advice guys were giving me about the issue that I’d be smart to look at parts diagrams before buying anything new. I don’t like direct sear trigger designs either. It felt like garbage and I put quite a few pellets through it.
Boy, I don’t know? The stock is back on the gun and I got my UPS label and plan to send it back tomorrow. I can email you the photos. If you’d like to see them I can email them to you if you provide me with your address?
@@peteralexben I was just starting to look through the emails. I was honestly wondering if that gmail account was working as viewers request my email and then I never see anything. Then I test it and it’s gets my emails. I see a bunch came through from you. Thanks! 👍
that trigger system looks very cheaply made layout the quality springers that l know are much more reliable system they dont use the trigger itself has tha main locking when cocking spring that is very strange that they did that l wonder if they really tested these before selling to public is there a recall on this gun .
It totally looks like the three grooves on the piston match the laminated steel sear. I don’t know if it’s a poor quality piston but at this point I’m over it. I’m ready to move on.
I hope they have been agreed to replace if doesn't then one fix you can do is to twist the piston it looks like this piston doesn't have the groove where cocking shoe slide through just rotate the piston then see if new contact point with trigger sear wear of or not i hope it works
@@Double-xposure I just got the RMA# for the return this morning. I think their return process is a hassle but so far so good. I was thinking about what guys have said about the failure and the gun would need to be disassembled and that part would need to be replaced with a new, properly manufactured part to get any kind of long term reliability out of the gun. Unacceptable for a brand new airgun in my opinion. I’m left wondering what other parts may be prone to long term failure in this particular gun. I didn’t realize the part could be rotated. I’m assuming 180°? But then I’m thinking it’s just a matter of time before the other side gets grooved out on the part.
I would like that gun better if it had the same power plant and the same stock as my hunter extreme se then I would have the baddest ass 177 around if the barrel was over 19.9inj
This has the 515 trigger and as you can see it sucks. They messed up by putting their cheap 515 trigger in this gun instead of much better 2 stage adjustable 745 trigger.
I agree 100% it sucks. Aside from that and the cheap synthetic stock, the rest of the gun was solid and had potential. But, even if the gun hadn’t broke the trigger was terrible. It was stiff and held the gun back from being more accurate. In comments I’ve received it sounds like the Euro spec model comes with the adjustable trigger. In any case I don’t really miss this gun. Pretty expensive for what you are getting.
Yeah, Your video quickly stopped me from considering that gun. I have since done a ton of research on Norica before ordering the Norica Omnia ZRS Fire that's been on my list since it came out. Their upper end Break barrels look really well made with much better triggers assemblies. @@airgunsofalaska
@@charlesoutdoors2424 hopefully I spared you from some potential trouble and frustration. 😀 I’ve watched a few videos on the ZRS and it looks interesting. I’ve already got an Air King but it’d be neat to see what the ZRS felt like shooting it. The videos have good things to say about it. It be cool to hear how your experience goes with it. 👍
@thatalaskaguy-airguns What sets the Norica ZRS apart from the air king is the scope isn't affected by the recoil. Can use any optic and even a camera without worry.
If i compare the Norica with the Weihrauch HW77/97 than the Norica is an overpriced cheap made airgun. Just the triggersystem is a joke and this rifle can be very dangerous. See also the spring is bend. Gamo reintroduced the CFX again and that is also crap. People who say a HW is overpriced have no knowledge about air rifles. Sorry to see this mate: Cheers!
After the failure and removing the stock I was surprised by the design and how cheap the trigger assembly looked. It reminded me of a Chinese model 62 with the direct sear system. I won’t be buying another Norica anytime soon. Weihrauch guns are worth the money and I’m hoping to eventually add one to my collection.
@@airgunsofalaska I understand that not everyone can buy a Weihrauch but better one quality Weihrauch than spend the same money on different cheap airguns. I own almost all HW springer models and never had a single issue with them. If you like to shoot with open sights and have an underlever i woukd recommend the HW77. Wish you good new year from Lappland. 👍
@@rapalaron6348 I totally agree and have been going back and forth between a few different Weihrauch models. It likely won’t be until this summer or fall when I eventually buy one. Currently I’m intrigued by the break barrel Weihrauch that uses the sliding latch to ensure the breech closes in the same spot every time.
@@airgunsofalaska Hi Mate. Yeah you mean the HW35 with the barrel latch. If you want to hunt with it i can recommend that rifle because it is very quiet (no tapping the barrel) to cock and to close if some more weight is no problem for you. I like the weight beacause it gives me more stabillity and accuracy. It has enough power for all small game and is very accurate. The E (export modell) comes with walnut stock and sling swivels. I own a 35 from the eighties in .22cal and i'm very pleased with the rifle. If you want to do target shooting, plinking and also want to hunt i would go for the 77/97. Sling swivels are available for those too.. If you like a lot of power and still accuracy for hunting the shorter HW80K in .22 is a very good option. I own all these modells once or twice and know there is no better on the market. Keep the barrel latch greased and when you also push it when closing the barrel it is even more quiet. i use an one piece Sports match dampa mount and Hawke airmax scopes and never had any issue with the scopes. The 77/97 need a compact model scope so it won't cover the loading port. Cheerrs!
@@rapalaron6348 it’s going to be fun researching and comparing and contrasting the different Weihrauch models before I finally commit to buying one. Thanks for the info!
I too thought the entire way the system was laid out looked janky. I should probably get smart and check out on line parts diagrams before I make any more brand new gun purchases.
It was disappointing to see how crudely some of the parts were made, particularly the trigger & sear assembly. I’ve since learned from viewers that the European model comes with a higher quality adjustable trigger. Still, the gun shouldn’t have failed within 5 days of shooting.
Just looks crude for $250! Sorry for the headache but I sure appreciate you putting in the work. No Dream Hunter, Dragonfly or MagFire for me!
I’m on quite a streak now… 🤦. I must be doing something right as I keep gaining subscribers but putting in all this time, effort and pellets sorting out junk is getting old. I actually had high hopes for this gun. I was pretty disappointed in seeing how janky the trigger system was when I pulled the stock off. My cheap, Chinese model 62’s use the same type of system. Funny how my ‘85 model still works after 38 years and this Norica didn’t last 5 days.
@@airgunsofalaska keep fighting the good fight! 😄 I’m looking forward to seeing what airgun you have for us next. 👍👍
Great series, AG. I love Norica but they shoot themselves in the foot pretty regularly. Gamo USA has the mid-power cfx for $140 right now and shipping is very reasonable. IMO, the cfx is the most accurate budget springer ever. I think Gamo has the best budget sights, too. As good as your eyes are, there is no telling how far you could reach out there with it.
Thanks! I just sent the Norica back today. The gun I replace it with will be in a whole different direction. 😏 😄
I think viewers will find it interesting. I’m looking forward to it. Unfortunately Amazon is taking forever at sending out a shipping confirmation.
Well, hell. Appreciate the time and energy you put into this. Now, others know the deal with this product.
Thanks, that’s good to hear. Surprise surprise I’ve still not received even a courtesy reply to my email about my problem from Norica. They seem like a garbage company with zero customer support.
My underlever is pretty cheap too, but the action has more to it. The piston spring latches back via a separate stage with its own pair or springs. The trigger is not the sear directly.
I don’t know much about how springers connect the trigger to the piston but I thought this Norica looked pretty cheap and janky. I now see why the trigger was so stiff.
I have a Gamo Swarm Whisper that is deadly accurate and awesome to operate, made in Spain, Hatsan Striker 1000s made in Turkey, bought thr Springer and vortex versions, Springer version was hard to shoot during the break in, after 500+ shots and some moly lube in the internals, smooth as butter,the vortex was always really harsh and lost its pressure in storage for no reason, installed a lower power spring in it ,and it's a great 12 to 14FPE .22 cal plinker now
Your experience with the vortex is what worries me about gas rams. I remember the Mag-Fire Extreme I had for a short time was slightly smoother than an equal priced springer.
My Hatsan Mod 95 springer is very unpleasant to shoot. I should do research into what goes into lubing the spring with moly grease. I think anything I do would be an improvement.
@@airgunsofalaska i have both disassemble and not to lube the internals on Hatsan Springer's, ,just don't over lube, I remove the stock ofcourse and use a 1/4 inch flathead screwdriver, fill the tip and apply 3 tips full to the spring, assemble and fire the gun ,after some shots you will feel the gun smoother,can diesel a bit ,but won't detonate after some 15 to 20 shots should stop smoking,I like Hatsan Springer's, but not the vortex one's
@@mrmoreton For all the comments I get from guys who really like their Hatsans I should give mine another try. It’d be iron sight only as it bent the scope stop screws and damaged the threads in the holes. The gun is a brut on scopes. Iron sights will likely be more fun anyway.
@@airgunsofalaska I made a short some days ago about the scope stop on another channel, maybe it could help,I install them to hold the front scope ring, look for ,how to install a hatsan scope stop for better eye relief, maybe If you install it that way it could still work,hope it helps
@@mrmoretonI’ll have to look as I don’t remember how many threaded holes my spring tube has? I suspect it’s the same layout as yours so if I use two piece rings this could work!
Norica sounds and look like the low budget air rifles sold to people who shoot air rifles once in a while for plinking. I cant imagine that air rifle was made in Spain, but you never know. I wish you would have attempted to charge the rifle internals in the vise to see if the spring lock/trigger was the culprit. Awesome content.
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Thanks! Had I planned to keep the gun I’m sure it could have been repaired but I wasn’t going to go that route with something brand new. I believe Airgun Depot has a 30 day return window and I wanted to make sure I fell with in so I could get my money back.
From everything I researched it was made in Spain. I’m guessing they cheaped out on certain parts?
@@airgunsofalaska I don't blame you. I hope all works in your favor and you receive a full refund. Thank you for sharing. Happy holidays.
Do you know what joules it was? It's a little bit of a 'out of interest ' type question as I'm trying to find what i can get here and make comparisons to what i had in the UK. Laws are stricter here. Thanks.
No problem, 23.86 joules is the highest I saw out of three shots using 14.3 gr Crosman pellets. The video is here, starting at 8:41
th-cam.com/video/SetkUbaW7To/w-d-xo.htmlsi=i-MjwD8xqNCQjgz7
Thank you for that feedback I was looking at this Underlever rifle.
It’s unfortunate the gun proved to be unreliable. I’m happy I was able to return it for a full refund. I just bought a remanufactured Gamo Swarm Hornet and have been very impressed with it so far. It’s been a much easier gun to shoot accurately than the Norica was.
@@airgunsofalaska I have the gamo exclusive Gamo Swarm Hunter in 177. So far so good. I love the self loading gimmick but after owning it a while I actually prefer seating the pellets by hand on break barrels.
@@dudespin I’m really pleased with how well the system has worked so far. I have my reservations about long term reliability but I’ve been getting lots of comments from viewers that have had positive experiences. Thats super encouraging!
Sorry to see the results! I wouldn't have ordered the Gamo CFX if it didn't have a good reputation for the last 10 years! I wanted the Gamo CFX Royal (wood stock) but not available in the USA. With an easy trigger upgrade they are really well liked and very accurate per the forums. I thought about the Stoeger S6000 wood and the Umarex Synergis, but both were too new to the market. Even though my buddy at First State Airgun calls his Synergis old faithful. What about the Hatsan Torpedo 155 or Diana 460?
I remember looking into the CFX but it didn’t appear to be readily available from vendors. Plus I’m always needing to watch shipping costs.
I also looked into both the Stoeger and Synergis. The Synergis had questionable reliability and reviews, plus I wasn’t interested in a repeater. The Stoeger was made in China and had the odd pop up mechanism that looked like it’d probably cause problems down the road.
I almost ordered a Hatsan underlever until I found the right video that showed how the entire barrel unlocks and slides forward to load. I didn’t like that aspect at all.
A Diana 460 is above the price range I was looking for at this time. I’m sure it’s a nice gun as I’ve never had a bad Diana.
Looks like your suspicions were correct, it's a bummer but true! They cheaped out and didn't make a critical part correctly (or make sure their supplier was making them correctly). No Noricas for me then I've also had it with guns that don't even work. Can't believe how hard it can be to find a functional airgun these days.
Sigh 😔…. It shouldn’t be so difficult to find a decent priced airgun that is made well. I don’t know how many pellets I put though it but it’s likely under 200. That’s just unacceptable reliability.
What sucks is it was showing promise with accuracy at 35 yds. Still, the gun was never pleasant to shoot and the trigger was pretty awful. I already ordered a totally different kind of gun to replace it. I went in a much different direction so it’ll be interesting to see what guys think on the channel. I’m guessing it’ll probably be around 2 weeks before it makes its way up here.
I’m with you, no Noricas for me.
@@airgunsofalaska At least you shouldn't have any trouble getting your money back with all the footage you have. I'm interested to see what you're trading it in for! Maybe it's for the best if it wasn't that enjoyable to shoot anyway. Me I splurged on 362 upgrades, with how unreliable everything is it makes sense to invest in the 'lego gun' of airguns, learn to work on them, have spare parts around. At least I should always have a decent shooter that way. Hey just a heads up Wlmrt has been out of the usual cheap Crosman pellets for over a week now I hope the price of all pellets doesn't go way up.
all gasram springers have the same side locking of the piston . central locking is een pin in the center of the piston with a hook at the end , the most used in weihrauch and other
I just looked up the parts diagram for an HW35 and the trigger assembly looks more sophisticated than this Norica. The piston looks to latch in the centerline of the piston at the rear.
I didn’t realize that gas ram guns lock on the bottom of the piston. I don’t think that’s a very good design from the standpoint of trigger feel or safety?
After this experience and my .22 cal Model 62 Chinese springer I have a much more healthy respect for the power of a compressed spring and what can go wrong if it releases unexpectedly.
in other models they use a better trigger system ,but this is only for weak springs usable . if you can not send it back , put a weaker spring in , and a diamond file to make to the engagement excact of the sear in the piston , it looks that it not deep enough in the piston , also maybe the piston is not very wel hardened
As always thanks for your input and advice. I’m pretty confident if they give me any grief over the return I can push the safety factor and that I could have been injured or hurt someone else or property. I doubt any company would want to fight about something that fires out of battery.
@@airgunsofalaska i had a diana 54 , the central pin broke out the the piston head . they made later a piston that had the pin crimpt in the piston head . it can happen with all brands , like cars and other products , i think the spring it to heavy for the system in that norica
exactly what i wanted to say
That makes a lot of sense. I don’t know why YT didn’t give me a notification of this comment last week?
Still, with 104 years of experience NORICA should know better. Plus their customer service is absolute trash. There is zero excuse in this day and age to not have the decency to provide even a courtesy answer to my multiple emails.
I might be wrong but it does have an adjustable trigger if sear sear is acting like you have shown the trigger is well out of tune have you been tinkering and set it way to light causing a hair trigger
That really sucks. So frustrating. If you get your money back and look for another rifle to play with. Check out the Umarex Airem 2. I got one 2 weeks ago and its been OK so far with maybe 1000 pellets threw it. The stock screws came loose immediately but no big deal and the Scope that came with it the mounting screws tend to get loose. I wanted a .177 high powered break barrel and Amazon has this one dirt cheat on sale $71. It seems to be very well constructed. The reviews I watched were good for the most part. Oh its gas piston which was what I was looking for. I know you were wanting a springer. Anyway thought I would mention it. I've had good luck with most Umarex stuff. Hope you get your money back.
I’ve been really impressed with the build quality of Umarex CO2 replica pistols. I’ve never owned one of their break barrels. I checked out the Airem 2 and like the Picatinny rail on top.
Right now the gun that’ll replace this Norica will be focused on accuracy as my number 1 priority. Not that the Norica was bad in that regard, I just want something more refined and easier to shoot but still in this price range.
@@airgunsofalaska I also have a Gamo Swarm Magnum Gen3 that is really more accurate so far than this Airem 2 I just bought . I think I paid $319 a year ago and its taken me most of that year to be able to shoot it accurately at 30 plus yards. Its a gas piston as well. The Gamo Swarm doesn't have open sites and I really like having that as an option. I hope someday to buy a really nice $600 to $700 springer to see what that is like but that probably won't happen in the near future.
@@JohnLong-ch1mc I’ve never shot or owned a Gamo so I don’t know what they are like? I was taken aback my how much nicer and more refined my Diana 34 was compared to this Norica. I shot them back to back on Monday and it was eye opening.
I think a guy who shoots lower priced guns for a years and then buys a more expensive, even what some call “budget level” Diana or Weirauch will be the person who most appreciates how much nicer and better made the German guns are. I was that guy and kinda laugh at the big TH-cam channels calling a Diana model 34 a budget gun. The thing is $407+ dollars now! That’s not cheap. I’d like to eventually buy a Weirauch as seemingly everything I read about them is positive. I’ve never owned one but their reputation seems to precede them.
Sorry, that did not work out, hope they don't give you any trouble on the refund... 😎
I don’t expect to have trouble getting a refund since the gun is wholly unsafe. Still, it’s a hassle to return stuff and it annoys me.
Well, I do not know what say about that... I know when I first got into Air guns a few years ago I had big expectations of cheap air guns, thought the German and British air rifles were too expensive. However, I have 5 cheaper and mid-range springer and gas piston air rifles now that do not shoot that well at 15-20 yards, that equal to one of the expensive ones... And they are proven to shoot better... Expensive lesson... YES that was a pun...LOL Big C out. 😎
Looking back on my purchase history for the past 20 odd years, every time I buy a springer that wasn’t made in Germany or England I’m disappointed. I’m not sure why I keep repeating the mistake? I guess I was hoping Spain had something figured out.
@@airgunsofalaska I know what you mean... I will say out of the 5 spring/piston air rifles, believe or not the best shooter is my Gamo Rocket... It was a Gamo exclusive $79 back when I bought it, however you can no longer get that model, it was replaced with a gas ramp piston... out of the box even with the cheap scope it did ok... I now have a UTG scope on it that is almost twice the cost of the rifle, but it defiantly helps the performance..."DON"T USE CHEAP SCOPES"... Just from experience... Anyway, I'm sure you will come up with something to review in the near future...Big C out, 😎
As you probably know, I've been watching a bunch of your videos. I hope you got your money back.
I know the Noricas from the 80s were decent guns. I own a couple of Noricas that basically have "throw back" actions with no issues, the Black Eagle and Storm. These have the two stage adjustable triggers.
A lot of Norca's present guns still use direct sear triggers, which I try to stay away from. Those are usually the guns with slightly angled triggers.
I know nothing about their newer "grease gun" designs and I'm not willing to spend a lot of money to find out. 🙄
Yes, fortunately I was able to get my money back on this one. Pretty disappointing it didn’t even last a week of shooting. I learned from this gun and the advice guys were giving me about the issue that I’d be smart to look at parts diagrams before buying anything new. I don’t like direct sear trigger designs either. It felt like garbage and I put quite a few pellets through it.
Did you try to cock it out of the stock where you could see it slip?
I did yesterday off video but I didn’t have the leverage to compress the spring. It’s really unwieldy without the stock.
if i look at the picture of the piston , as far if thats posible ,i think the piston rim is not deep enough made , and the sear was at the rim locking
Boy, I don’t know? The stock is back on the gun and I got my UPS label and plan to send it back tomorrow. I can email you the photos. If you’d like to see them I can email them to you if you provide me with your address?
@@airgunsofalaska i send you some pictures yours
@@peteralexben I was just starting to look through the emails. I was honestly wondering if that gmail account was working as viewers request my email and then I never see anything. Then I test it and it’s gets my emails.
I see a bunch came through from you. Thanks! 👍
this trigger mechanisam is primitive! looks medieval ! like a crossbow!
I agree! Once the stock was removed the crudeness of some of the parts was very evident.
Darn! I bet myself that what broke your gun was because you broke pasta before boiling it.
Ha ha!
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that trigger system looks very cheaply made layout the quality springers that l know are much more reliable system they dont use the trigger itself has tha main locking when cocking spring that is very strange that they did that l wonder if they really tested these before selling to public is there a recall on this gun .
The trigger sear metal is harder then the piston metal they supose to be made outa same hardness
It totally looks like the three grooves on the piston match the laminated steel sear. I don’t know if it’s a poor quality piston but at this point I’m over it. I’m ready to move on.
I hope they have been agreed to replace if doesn't then one fix you can do is to twist the piston it looks like this piston doesn't have the groove where cocking shoe slide through just rotate the piston then see if new contact point with trigger sear wear of or not i hope it works
@@Double-xposure I just got the RMA# for the return this morning. I think their return process is a hassle but so far so good.
I was thinking about what guys have said about the failure and the gun would need to be disassembled and that part would need to be replaced with a new, properly manufactured part to get any kind of long term reliability out of the gun. Unacceptable for a brand new airgun in my opinion. I’m left wondering what other parts may be prone to long term failure in this particular gun.
I didn’t realize the part could be rotated. I’m assuming 180°? But then I’m thinking it’s just a matter of time before the other side gets grooved out on the part.
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I would like that gun better if it had the same power plant and the same stock as my hunter extreme se then I would have the baddest ass 177 around if the barrel was over 19.9inj
Hopefully the Hunter Extreme is more reliable than the “Dream” Hunter.
Time to pull that 397 back out .!
Absolutely! 👍 It’s still works, doesn’t recoil, was way, way more accurate AND cost less to buy. 😄
Good one Alaska!🤠🇺🇸
Thanks! I felt creative in video making for this one. 😀
This has the 515 trigger and as you can see it sucks. They messed up by putting their cheap 515 trigger in this gun instead of much better 2 stage adjustable 745 trigger.
I agree 100% it sucks. Aside from that and the cheap synthetic stock, the rest of the gun was solid and had potential. But, even if the gun hadn’t broke the trigger was terrible. It was stiff and held the gun back from being more accurate. In comments I’ve received it sounds like the Euro spec model comes with the adjustable trigger.
In any case I don’t really miss this gun. Pretty expensive for what you are getting.
Yeah, Your video quickly stopped me from considering that gun. I have since done a ton of research on Norica before ordering the Norica Omnia ZRS Fire that's been on my list since it came out. Their upper end Break barrels look really well made with much better triggers assemblies. @@airgunsofalaska
@@charlesoutdoors2424 hopefully I spared you from some potential trouble and frustration. 😀 I’ve watched a few videos on the ZRS and it looks interesting. I’ve already got an Air King but it’d be neat to see what the ZRS felt like shooting it. The videos have good things to say about it. It be cool to hear how your experience goes with it. 👍
@thatalaskaguy-airguns What sets the Norica ZRS apart from the air king is the scope isn't affected by the recoil. Can use any optic and even a camera without worry.
@@charlesoutdoors2424 I think I can visualize how the action would reciprocate without the scope moving. Pretty interesting system.
If i compare the Norica with the Weihrauch HW77/97 than the Norica is an overpriced cheap made airgun. Just the triggersystem is a joke and this rifle can be very dangerous. See also the spring is bend. Gamo reintroduced the CFX again and that is also crap. People who say a HW is overpriced have no knowledge about air rifles. Sorry to see this mate: Cheers!
After the failure and removing the stock I was surprised by the design and how cheap the trigger assembly looked. It reminded me of a Chinese model 62 with the direct sear system. I won’t be buying another Norica anytime soon.
Weihrauch guns are worth the money and I’m hoping to eventually add one to my collection.
@@airgunsofalaska I understand that not everyone can buy a Weihrauch but better one quality Weihrauch than spend the same money on different cheap airguns. I own almost all HW springer models and never had a single issue with them. If you like to shoot with open sights and have an underlever i woukd recommend the HW77. Wish you good new year from Lappland. 👍
@@rapalaron6348 I totally agree and have been going back and forth between a few different Weihrauch models. It likely won’t be until this summer or fall when I eventually buy one. Currently I’m intrigued by the break barrel Weihrauch that uses the sliding latch to ensure the breech closes in the same spot every time.
@@airgunsofalaska Hi Mate. Yeah you mean the HW35 with the barrel latch. If you want to hunt with it i can recommend that rifle because it is very quiet (no tapping the barrel) to cock and to close if some more weight is no problem for you. I like the weight beacause it gives me more stabillity and accuracy. It has enough power for all small game and is very accurate. The E (export modell) comes with walnut stock and sling swivels. I own a 35 from the eighties in .22cal and i'm very pleased with the rifle. If you want to do target shooting, plinking and also want to hunt i would go for the 77/97. Sling swivels are available for those too.. If you like a lot of power and still accuracy for hunting the shorter HW80K in .22 is a very good option. I own all these modells once or twice and know there is no better on the market. Keep the barrel latch greased and when you also push it when closing the barrel it is even more quiet. i use an one piece Sports match dampa mount and Hawke airmax scopes and never had any issue with the scopes. The 77/97 need a compact model scope so it won't cover the loading port. Cheerrs!
@@rapalaron6348 it’s going to be fun researching and comparing and contrasting the different Weihrauch models before I finally commit to buying one. Thanks for the info!
Here in 🇳🇱you only see gamo you don’t see this brand a lot. I’m sure that has a reason.
They’ve not even had the courtesy to respond to any of my emails. I’d say their customer service is non existent.
@@airgunsofalaska that’s very bad
@@airgunsofalaska i can ask one of the Spanish airgun channels what is there experience with this brand
Okay i put a request on a 10k plus Spanish airgun channel for help.
@@Relaxbadkneeadventures thanks! It’ll be interesting to hear what they say.
Airgun Autopsy!🤠
Very sloppy looking trigger group in my opinion.
I too thought the entire way the system was laid out looked janky. I should probably get smart and check out on line parts diagrams before I make any more brand new gun purchases.
So , it was junk to begin with
It was disappointing to see how crudely some of the parts were made, particularly the trigger & sear assembly. I’ve since learned from viewers that the European model comes with a higher quality adjustable trigger.
Still, the gun shouldn’t have failed within 5 days of shooting.