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- We get to have a better look at the New Holland T6.180 Methane powered tractor and discuss where it fits into the modern farming world. Does it pull like a diesel ? What does it cost to run ?
In today’s video, I am going to talk about a new tractor developed by New Holland which is exactly the same as their diesel T6.180 but is powered by methane ! It is a very clean fuel, a very cheap cost efficient fuel.
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At last someone who has put forward a clear, well presented example of an alternative fuel. This channel stands above anything else on TH-cam. Well done 👏🏻
With current situation globally it makes sense to have your farm to have two types of fuel, especially if one of the fuels you can produce yourself.
Game changer on farms even if you have to buy in the gas . Huge savings hopefully the government don’t stick there beaks in and tax the hell out of it with less diesel been used in the future
My only experience with a gas powered vehicle was in the late 1970s with a homemade conversion on an HA Viva van, ran it on butane and propane. Engine stayed cleaner, may save you oil changes too. We used a modded SU carburettor to meter the gas and a copper coil to heat the cylinder. It was comedy gold in the laboratory we worked in to see workmates looking out the window to see where the van was parked so they would sneak out and move their cars away from it. I know it was just a bit of fun but it is definitely a viable fuel.
Now that was a surprise. Very informative. I remember we had a propane Minneapolis Moline 602 with a loader that was always used. Didn't matter the season, winter in Minnesota is frigid, it started right up. Great tractor. This methane tractor looks, technically quite similar in respect. And if you can create your own fuel at the same time. What a concept.
Great video, thanks.
I have to admit, that's a really novel idea for a cattle farm. Pig farms are certainly the worst. With the fact Methane is much worse than CO2, using methane as a fuel make sense. The technology needs to be created to break down the CO and CO2 byproducts down to carbon (great for vehicle tyres) and the Oxygen combined with Hydrogen to make additional water molecules. It can all be done electrochenically or via catalysts. Interesting solution.
There is a guy on the net with a video who had a chicken farm and a home made AD and compressed and filled his own gas bottles and ran his car on it! If I can find it I will post it up here! This is great news, and the most positive thing I have seen yet! In the 1970,s at some or other rock festivalI bought a "mother earth book of home made power" and it was my introduction to the AD in the form of what the Indians called Gobar gas, where instead of burning dried animal dung( the smoke from which caused terrible eye problems), the people were encouraged to put the dung in a small AD which filled an inner tube with enough gas to cook with!
I could not, and still cannot understand why every sewage works is not using an AD to make energy to at least run the plant if nothing else. There are other advantages as well, not mentioned in your brilliant vid, apart from getting cheap fuel, what is left after digestion is complete is a liquid called the "supernatant" which makes an excellent fertiliser, and a sludge which is a great soil improver, it literally is a win win for the farmer, and you can digest virtually any sort of biological matter, plant waste weeds tree trimmimgs etc etc!
Well done Lord Muck et al!
Phil, East Yorkshire
Mucker that was a brilliant review test demo whatever we can call it on both fuels ! Proof as they say is in the pudding ! Very interesting to hear the fuel coatings etc and from someone who has been using the tech for some time ! Thanks to all involved in the film :)
When comparing the diesel cost to gas, you could also include the add blue cost to the diesel that isn't needed for methane that's also increased significantly in the last year. Very informative video 👍
That's a very good point 👍
It’s definitely an interesting concept to be able to fill on your own farm with you own fuel. I wonder how large a tractor they could power with it?🤔. Gas powered cars filling up at a farm would be a massive income buster and diversification especially if the government are intent on getting rid of cheery.
Absolutely makes sense! 👍 Diversity in fuels is really the key to the future. I don't think it will ever be that we can depend on just one fuel source when there are so many others out there. Why limit ourselves? Instead of flaring the waste gases....use them!
Lovely to see the technology mature and become really useable in mobile applications. I was converting Tractor engines to methane back in the early 90's, the development of good automotive control systems and gas injectors has allowed the technology to become reliable and predictable. Let's hope this really takes off.
The first threshing machine, the first tractor, the first Landrover, methane powered engines, these guys are agricultural pioneers! Let's hope it goes big, then crosses over to everyday life so I can nip to a local farm and fill up my van or landy, maybe then farmers will be allowed to make a few quid!!
Nice one M'lod, surprised to hear its as torquey as a diesel. A no brainer when producing your own fuel and the clean burn.
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What a fantastic machine 😁
Fuel cost saving will offset the extra initial cost of buying the tractor plus it's going to be saving money every year so overall it makes the methane powered tractor very attractive. Technology will, I'm sure, eventually extend the daily working hours of the machine so that's not going to be too much of an issue down the road.
Full marks to New Holland, looks like the future could be Blue.
This has got to be the way forward a well thought out concept and if you want to do longer days in the field fives minutes to fill is better than spilling fuel down your leg from a can
As you say, it suits certain applications!
Like mentioned in this video it would be ideal of large dairy and biogas operations
Say you were carting maize or digestate on the long haul, that quick fuelling time would save a lot of time over the day and increase productivity!
The guy driving the methane tractor at that farm apparently tanks up at lunch time or as he's coming to tip at the farm and is good for the rest of the day.
Somehow didn't get a notification for this one so a bit late. One other thing about these new fuels is that the engine emissions is less complicated. I have old Deutz air-cooled tractors on my farm and if you wanted one new it could be possible because Deutz engines still make a simple air-cooled engines just a natural gas engine instead of diesel. I find your opinion a bit more lively interesting. One of the fun things about my collection is the different 90-110 PTO hp tractors I have is seeing how different they can be so more lively in throttle response or torque?
Hi Lord muck, great video on methane and new Holland 👍
Id hope you will do a catch on with new Holland and I'd think you should have a chat with Benamann.
Keep the good work up 👍
This is a road we should have gone down years ago but its never to late ✌ the maintenance schedule is better using methane wait till you see an oil change very little carbon soot in the oil 👍 great work 👌
Jays lad you are a real good man to interview people. Should have being a journalist. Brilliant content. Love the videos 👍👍👍
Thank you, much appreciated
Very interesting video. Quite nice to see the difference between methane & diesel. I am interested in what the emissions are. I'm no scientist so I have no idea. The best inventors are usually farmers out of necessity. Thanks for sharing.
CO2 and H2O
Another good video Mucker. As Ben said a no brainer, I was shocked at the figures, and I bet a lot of other folks would have been as well.
What a really good informative video Mucker and as you say used in the right application I think will be a real game changer, however I have a feeling in the back of my mind that the government will not be happy at loosing fuel revenue duty and will find a way of taxing methane as a fuel source - I hope I'm wrong because this as I see it is the way forward.
Ah... that's what I thought.
They'll find a way eventually but in the meantime if you're producing it yourself.
Kurt, I presume it's taxed of you're buying it in?
Hats off to Newholland, they have made a good tractor that is not just a gimmick and will work and save its owners money!
Another point is maintenance savings on oil change intervals as methane is a cleaner burning fuel
Every one is feeling the bite of high priced fuel.
I’m glad some of tractor companies are getting on board.
I have been reading that methane and methanol will dominate fuel in future.
Great video mucker nice to see technology advancing to suit the modern world I think it would be a definite contender for a cattle farm if they could produce there own fuel it could easily save them lots of money from future fuel bills and from what you have shown they are as good as a diesel powered tractor.
Excellent video - pretty good overview of the machine and operation costs. I think that methane has very good potential in the future and has a niche between diesel and electric machines. We can extract methane from all sorts of waste instead of just letting it go into the atmosphere.
I see one of the transport companies near me has been using CNG Iveco lorries the past few years too which is good to see
I’d say running lorry’s and other big plant. and heating systems for indoor vegetable growing operations. Found this video real interesting
Another great comparison of machinery using new types of fuel , the future is changing for everyone. You explain difference's well . Nice one Mucker 👍🚜🔧
Nice to see one of our little 500kW chp's out in the wild singing its little heart out 😁👍
Interesting how the figures added up and not much dearer than an ordinary tractor look forward to more on it 👍
I thought it would be much more
Magic vid very thought provoking. Time to look forward to the next five years when it’s time to change. Thank you.
Finally had a chance to see this one, and it was well worth it, Kurt.
It's a sensible way to go forward using existing technology, rather than scrapping and "reinventing" the tractor, modifying it to use what we already have to solve a new world problem.
Makes you think that it could be possible to make a kit to retrofit some tractors?
Also most towns and cities are "sitting" (shitting?) on another fuel possibility...............
That was brilliant thanks.👍. No more stinking diesel on your clothes while filling up with fuel🥰.
Only real down sides are that in the current form no front loaders or front linkage or front PTO would be possible to use on that setup but that still leaves heck of a lot of jobs it would still be brilliant for.
No you can have front linkage, PTO etc, the range extender goes on to the roof or on the rear of the tractor.
I think it needs to be put into mass service to find out because diesel won’t be here forever or it won’t be in our price range.
Give methane a chance for sure.
Just one question does it smell bad
Couldn't smell anything, it's clean burn so no really nasty smells.
Impressive discussion, better results than I expected. Have to comment on the subtle differences in English - you say "me-thane", Americans say "meth-ane". You (& Canucks) say "ow-ut", we say "owt".
Brilliant video my first though was what a brilliant fuel for environmental works where fuel spills can be very costly and environmentally damaging bio oils are readily available here we have an environmental safe alternative to diesel
Brilliant stuff I was surprised to hear they are the same power the future is here
You should check out the new JCB designed Hydrogen Tractors & Telehanders which have the same power as a Diesel version But don't produce any emissions at all and still let JCB build the same lower half of the engines so the factory jobs are safe they just designed a new top half to the engines! The Machines are amazing.
You should try watching the video - New Holland are using the same 6.7 litre FPT with some top end mods
that's all.
Great video. FPT also have a lot of experience running Iveco trucks on natural gas, a lot of synergy I think.
Pleasantly surprised! Looks a cracking bit o kit. Definitely has alot of potential going forward
Like learning something new about tractors especially ones powered by Methane. So nice to finally see how this fuel is produced and captured. Hope to see more videos on these critters.
Very interesting, a good documentary presentation. Definitely "food" for thought.
Even if you have to buy the methane fuel in its a no brainer. Would be interesting to see what the costs would be for someone like George to set up to capture the methane as per regs to come, but then what the on costs are to set up to extract and store it as a fuel.
Hi mucker really enjoy these videos mucking about. im not only in one machinery. im into all videos u do keep going with then .
That was really good, I'll admit I was more than a bit sceptical, but once you got the initial bits in like was said, it's a no brainer, I reckon that could really take off over the next couple years
Must admit a expected them to be a hell of a lot more complicated than basically just a modified diesel seem a fairly capable machine
Used to work with methane engines at a sewage works diesel start then to gas they also ran better on gas !!! its definitely a better way forward then tons of heavy batteries strapped to your tractor that takes hours to charge
People are too quick to dismiss electric - it, like other forms of fuel has its place and the technology surrounding electric and electric fuel cells is moving forward at a crazy rate. The problem is people expect instant tech today and that's not how anything works.
Thank you. Yes I know, but I thought you might have an idea. I didn't know about the methane until I watched your film. I remember that some time ago, -50s- Lucas tried a "Fuel cell" in a tractor. (Meccano Magazine but I don't expect you would know about that.)
I can quote figures but as I said in the video, it's totally dependent on spec, value, trade in etc
Interesting video, money well spent I'd say. After a couple of years it'll have payed for its self. Great stuff 👌
Thank you for alternative fuel video.
I have heard of farmers running gensets on digester gas.
Yes they do - that's basically what you saw in the building putting power into the grid.
Good to See Wast To Power Machinery And Cleaner than Diesel With More Torque,This makes More Sense than Heavy Battery's on a Tractor.
I have Used LPG /Petrol Turbo Powered Cars And they Also have More Torque on Gas Than Petrol,Slightly less HP On Gas So Not Sure If its Because it Puts More Gas in to the Engine Compared to Petrol Injection
Petrol is Probably More Easer to Control Than Gas injection.
Supose if you had a dairy farm and looking into the tractor youd might as well be looking into maybe a slurry pump/mixer that has its own engine to run off the gas its basically churning out and maybe a genny too as the extra saving with electric would help the gas infrastructure pay for itself
What an absolute bellter of a video been waiting for this one to come out - think it's got good potential - duetz did have a version of there tractors that were modified to run rapeseed oil which could be another potential home grown fuel 👍😃
Great info muck eye opener best Regards
The fuel of the future, should be exiting times ahead with all this new technology coming down the line. Instead off one replacement fuel I can see specific fuels for specific jobs methane should fit in nicely between diesel or bio diesel and electric.
It amazes me that folk seem to be in some kind of daze where they think we only have one fuel.
We have ALWAYS had multiple fuels such as petrol, diesel, paraffin, TVO, LNG, Bio Fuel, Propane, Methane, electric, diesel-electric and many, many more. Currently the fuels of choice predominantly are petrol and diesel but before that it was coal.
Specific fuels for specific jobs will become the way forward with rising prices.
Really interesting video, but I can see one or 2 major problems with farmers making and using their own fuel,
Governments won't be happy losing the fuel duty.
Big energy companies, who have politicians in their pocket, won't be happy losing control of the production and distribution of fuel. And no doubt it'll upset the Eco loons in some way or another. However I'm impressed.
They're not losing anything - every single operation is taxed at some level including energy production.
Nothing is any different to running the generators at present.
As a dyed in the wool diesel engine fan an being a bit wary of technology as I don't really understand a lot of it, that video was a real eye opener 😳 and presented the information in an understandable format 👍 Brilliant 👌
What a informative and impartial video , sounds like a good technology that has a future in the industry!!
Great Review! It Only makes since to have all Options Available and Decide what is Best for Your Application! Whether it be Diesel, Gas, Methane, or Electric, Give Me the Option. Only thing I fear is the Deletion or Discontinuation then Obsolescence of Parts for the older two. Keep All Options on the Board. Keep Up the Good Work!
thats brilliant video. don,t know set up cost off recovering methane but within a short time you would be return on money spent compared to diesel.
The set up cost would be fairly expensive but for AD you've got the plant which is generating revenue into the grid and for slurry methane capture you will have to do it regardless in the next few years so the 'fuel' is basically a bi-product of another venture.
Being of a farming kind of background I think the Methene fuel is a has great future. I hope it catches on here in the States !!!!!!
As always informative and Interesting and that should make a lot of people sit up and think.
Great video Kurt, most informative indeed. Will be interesting to see if the additional costs of the new machines stay as low as that 10% Many companies leverage customers cost savings heavily against purchase prices. As it stands, the extra machine cost seems very fair, especially when weighed against potential running cost reductions. The additional infrastructure won't be free of course, but if installed at the point where open pits legally have to be covered, that should offer the lowest cost I would hope.To be able to produce heat, electricity, traction fuel and all at the same time as reducing atmospheric methane release is a quadruple win!
I did not see that coming i thought diesel was a must in farm environment but 10k extra to buy but 18 k saving in year 1 on fuel still up 8 k and i would guess the service cost be the same ish as diesel also? and over five years modern with the savings over five year life of it would only cost 20k barging that is 18k saving on fuel cost per year over the five years is 90k so at 110k to buy its a 20k tractor ball park numbers wow if that is close to right
Amazing it only adds £10k to the price with the tanks and engine changes. No brainer if you can get methane cheaply.
Very intersting that.
The amounts of electricity we are going to need just for cars I can't see Ag or HGV going all electric, there just isn't enough to go round.
You'll have to have a methane vs hydrigen next.
Hydrogen is a good sales pitch - it's not what they purport it to be. Methane is what it says on the tin.
@LordMuck
Be interesting to see how the synthetic fuel job progresses as well.
I started to watch with an open mind and was impressed. I know we've got to look at other fuelling systems and we have hydrogen that's being developed as well.
Would you think methane could be used in cars and trucks as well?
I'd like to think so as to get away from battery electric units due to the cost of replacing the batterys.
Battery powered vehicles and units also have a part to play and the technology is already available to make them much more efficient - the government however are not so keen to push the infrastructure as it's currently not much of an earner.
Despite everyone rolling in their own shit like excitable chimps over hydrogen, the reality is it's not going to be the saviour that everyone hopes.
We shall of course be looking at hydrogen in due course.
As someone who's spent his whole life repairing forklifts, using lpg/gas as a fuel is nothing new.
An engine running on gas can be just as torquey as a diesel IF the engine is designed from the ground up for the purpose.
Reminds me of the gas Perkins engines that used to be around years ago. I've seen gas versions of the 4.203, 4.236, 900 series and 1006 series. Most of them were the diesel version with a low compression head and pistons with a distributor on a 90 degree bevel box where the injection pump would normally live. They behaved just like the diesels, just a lot quieter.
Only issue with the gas engines is fuel consumption which is an undeniable issue but if you can produce enough fuel on site for free its a non issue.
Great video lm that’s very impressive definitely a major move forward and it sounds great as well
Interesting stuff 👍
Good video! 👍 We have an AD Plant and Upgrade the gas but want to wait until the tractors are more proven before we purchase
There's not a lot to prove really - that's the point - it's the 6.7ltr FPT engine, transmission is same as the diesel, cab, axles, hydraulics etc
@@LordMuck fair point. I would like to see what parameters the gas quality has to be within to make it work efficiently.
Not a pessimist to the idea at all but I think the design of tractors will also have to change to integrate the gas tank. Not that safe or practical on the front.
I would actually like to try one.
It's completely safe on the front, in fact safer than a diesel tank as it's in a steel frame and tested for impact with multiple safety shut off valves.
Front linkage can be specced and pto as the range extender can go on the roof or rear of the machine.
The gas produced is the same fuel that the generator engines run on so perfectly fine to run a tractor on.
As described the tip of the iceberg… this is something that far exceeds the battery technology and what’s a certain application machine now is the birth of the next generation of combustion engine … lithium is never going to be as green as the claims , because of the destructive mining involved, but this is exciting!
Isn't it strange that everyone beats their chest and pledges an allegiance to fossil fuels yet suddenly become eco-warriors when lithium batteries are mentioned ? Technology will far outrun fossil fuels and electric and battery alternatives will become much more powerful and easier to produce in a short space of time.
We need the power so the demand is there.
Methane etc will serve a growing purpose in this also.
That was an effing good vidio, thank you for getting us the "nuts & bolts" of how it works. Now if you can have a go on the hydrogen one I will be over the moon. Cheers, Jim in NZ.
Well what a interesting video hopefully Kurt you've shown some sceptical people that change isn't always for the worse 👌
Very interesting video Mucker thought for the future, 👍🚜
from the calculations a meathane will work on any farm even if your buying fuel in brilliant video
Yes it's a good option
Great video I got a parcel from David Redman I love your videos and I'm hoping to see you at the doe show next year
Hi Luke, yes David told me about you ! Hopefully I'll be there next year and we can have a catch up 👍
@@LordMuck Hello yes great I'm hoping to go on the first day of the Doe show this time as last year I went on the last day and it was just cultivating and there was mowing on the first day
One thing I think needs change as they are probably already working on a high pressure tank or something but that front tanks where weights would be needs to ge tidied up for front links then it will boost the sales really a tractor that big u would miss your front links /weights but I do think would be a massive improvement in many sectors
We discussed this further down - they already offer roof mounted or rear mounted range extenders so you can have front linkage.
Thanks for your honesty. Fair review.
Interesting video M’Lud but l have two questions for you.
1)
The diesel engine is lubricated by the oil in the sump and by the injected diesel thus why they last a long time, however by burning a gas your in effect cutting the lubricating system in half, so would a methane engine last as long as a conventional diesel?
2)
Will the methane tractor start from cold in winter at a ballpark figure -5?
No different to a petrol engine - you're not cutting anything down, it gets lubricated the same way as the diesel variant.
Methane will start at very low temps and doesn't wax up.
Very interesting mocker
This is where the future is.
Would be interesting to know how much methane is released from a slurry tower that is just static compared to one like Tom Pemberton with the bubbler system?
A good informative Video with a few surprises to😊 I’m sure even Rudolf Diesel himself would agree👍 These engines certainly have potential for small to medium tractors👍 Diesel no doubt will still be the choice for bigger machines. New Holland obviously done their homework BUT let’s now wait for what John Deere, Claas, Fendt and Deutz come up with…that’s going to be very interesting🤔🤔
They can't re-invent the wheel so they won't come up with anything that amazing so it will be interesting to see what they offer as an alternative.
if the 110k unit cost 10k more, do you think or know whether that tranlates into a 10% increase of price down to say 80k tractor/ multifarmer. (Yes I know is deutz, at least mine is) Wonderful film, as always, and you ask the questions I would ask.
That's a question for a dealer.
I was in France earlier this year and saw a few methane powered buses, only way you could tell was the sticker on the back, sounded like any other bus as they drove past. Only thing I noticed was a faint smell of onions...
That onion smell is usually ethyl mercaptan that is added to the gas for leak identification. The vehicle either wasn't tuned well or has a slight leak.
So you'd recoup the extra cost in a year or two with free fuel.
Kurt. Any idea if an ad plant would be better off just selling the fuel and not bothering to produce electricity?
I suppose the grants for producing electricity outweigh producing methane for sale?
I'm all for alternative fuels if our governments would get their heads out of their butts since WW2 everytime alternative fuels gain a little traction our governments usually squashes it
Is there much of a difference in noise? Especially at tick over? Any idea what compression ratio it's running at? They ran a lot of LP tractors in the states for a long time so I guess refuelling isn't that big an issue to overcome.
They actually had to make the exhaust LOUDER because it was too quiet to actually hear the engine in the cab !
@@LordMuck that's mad 😂. A bit of straight pipe required then 😂
Brilliant, like it
Very interesting and well explained nice 1 mucker.
Thanks for the insight 👍
Great video well done.only one sticking point for me...you refer to it as a free fuel??? It's hardly...look at all the hardware that's involved in collecting the methane and having it ready for delivery to an engine.probarbly a million quid of infrastructure?
What is it about "If you already have an AD plant" are people struggling with ?
You buy the tractor if you already have the plant - you don't buy a plant just because you've bought a tractor...
@@LordMuck ok..if u done have a plant is it possible to buy methane from a wholeseller
Yes 100% just as Ben is doing currently from that tanker.
What about servicing the methane tractor does it cost more less or the same as a diesel tractor. We didn't see anything coming out of the exhaust is there a waste product from said tractor. Are they alot more dangerous if they caught fire ? Fantastic demonstration could see it working well on combines that only do a couple of months a year .
Much cleaner burn, cleaner oil etc.
If they did have an issue or fire, they have a lot of safety valves and auto-cut offs unlike diesels.
sounding quite promising for the future then mucker
They are continuing to improve service times to get them well above 600 hour intervals.
I bought a dual fuel generator under the idea that propane engines last a bit longer than gasoline as they don't wear as much . I could ask the internet but how or what would New Holland say about it? Diesel to Methane ? under normal use.
a great video thanks. I can also see it being used for the farm 4x4 in the future too
Fantastic video really interesting concept, the fact that you could produce your own fuel from your own AD plant and run a generator to produce electricity which you could sell back to the network operator a no brainer surely. The only thing I can see on that tractor that might be something that could be rethought Is fuel tank so you can have a front linkage
As discussed further down you can already have roof or rear mounted range extender tanks so you can have a front linkage.
@@LordMuck hadn't read that 😅ideal then
Nice one mukka like to see progression
Remember lpg was going to be the next big thing free methane got to be the way forward
Old hippy chap used to process methane for heating ang cooking at his old farmhouse in the early 80's
Would the red tape brigade try to make some sort of restrictions on the movement of the gas ie licence of some sort ?