Why did Kane get all the credit? Finger got screwed. If it wasn't for Finger and other writers and artists, I bet Batman wouldn't have been as popular as he's now. I don't even think Batman would even exist, if Finger and others weren't involved, right now.
@@rogerlambert9316 kane was leeching off the others hard work. Bill and the other artist that helped make Batman who he is need the credit. The sad thing is it was given decades late.
Many in the comics industry knew that Finger co- created Batman. Also, check out the interviews by Batman writer/editor Dennis O'Neil ,Jim Steranko, etc, about how Finger was treated by Kane & DC Comics.
I read Bob Kane auto biography. I thought him to be a bit full of himself. He considered himself quite the ladies man bragging about how he dated Marilyn Monroe. I wasn't surprised to find out he stole most of the glory for Batman. He seemed like kind of a narcissist.
Bob was some dude with an idea and too unskilled to do it, he got someone who could do it for him, used him and did nothing to even credit Bill. Bob was a parasite that leaved his host the moment he got enough food (money) when he wouldn't have gotten where he did without Bill, it's sad but at least Bill's family got something out of it because people cared. Dont let people use you like Bob did, fight for your respect that's deserved, please and justice will prevail!
Yup, Bill Finger made Batman. Everyone shits on Bob Kane nowadays and I get why but I don’t think either he should be hated on, I think they should both be treated as legends. Update: Just finished the video and I never really knew to what extent what Bob Kane did, screw that guy!
The reason why people shit on Bob Kane is because he took all the credit and discredited Jerry Robinson and Bill Finger poor Bill died alone and pennyless in his apartment when Finger made his concept a reality of Batman.
for all that was shown at a school assembly I attended. A good portion the auditorium got pissed about this. Especially when they read the grave stone. 7:09, even with that, I’m glad Bill won’t be forgotten.
It’s even more complicated than you have shown in this video. You might want to do another video on Jerry Robinson. Who was instrumental in creating Robin? The boy wonder. Also, you might be interested in doing a video on the black bat, which was a poult magazine character, which originated a lot of concepts, which later became part of the Batman mythos. For example, Batman‘s gloves originally were on the black bat. About the man who laughs at early movie, which had a character who looks suspiciously like the joker. But you’re right about one thing Bob Kane came up with nothing dealing with Batman
Bob Kane got the idea - bill finger fleshed him out and Kane failed to give credit where credit was due. He selfishly kept all the credit - it didn’t help that bill himself never made a stink about it when he was around - he needed legal representation- that’s not bobs fault bill needed to step up and fight his own fight. Bob Kane was as slick as heck he was greedy and that’s his legacy.
So what you call the man the pulled the trigger on the gun the victim because the man in front of it didn't know how to disarm a fully armed man guess that's how Justice works these days but that makes the world all the more worse for leaving such people unpunished
Yeah, you're right, I see your point (tee head)... It's like why blame the Nazis? The Jews should have stepped up and fight their own fight. And the same goes for children who get "M"-ed word, why aren't they stepping up? Or sexual victims of "R" word, they should step up too. If you can't tell, I'm being super sarcastic!!! By the way, Bob Kane's actual legacy, even to the most casual, uninformed "Batman" fan, is that he ripped off the actual creator of Batman. They might not have heard of Bill, but they definitely have heard of the controversy. You don't even have to take my word for it, just go to any Comicon and ask anyone, who has ever heard of Bob Kane, and that's the first thing out of their mouth. There you go Bob, there's your legacy!!! 😂
So you wouldnt stop hitler despite bill finger being jewish? You got some screwedup priorities, people died and you can go back in time and arent even attempting to stop it. You're selfish
7:10 to be fair, that was probably written by his family (who probably worshipped him). I doubt Kane inscribed in his will to say that God helped him create Batman
Did the inspiration of Joker (The Man Who Laughed) have anything to do with the creation of The Batman Who Laughed? I don’t know much about his character, but his smile does remind me of Joker a little bit, so it wouldn’t surprise me of his name is referencing that film.
Bob Kane is the Edison to my Tesla! Same fate had gone to both of these great man in their respective fields, never got the recognition they both deserved & died alone & miserable.
Low income people create the coolest stuff. More privileged people either create schlock themselves or have people create schlock for them. Bill and Bob. Nikki Sixx and Taylor Swift. And so on and so forth.
Kane was an opportunist and an obvious hustler whose only goal in life was to promote himself. If anyone doubts this they only have to watch the 'making of the two Joel Schumacher Batman movies' in which on one of these Schumacher makes a great play of pointing the finger (no pun intended) at Kane as the 'individual who created Batman'. You can then witness Kane's reply to Joel that issues out of the side of his mouth with the words, " 'atta boy!" That type of response speaks volumes about his attitude to it all right there.
Like you said Batman is based on handful of pulp novels But Bill Finger and Bob Kane definitely "borrowed" heavily from the works of Walter B. Gibson the creator of the Shadow created in 1931, please look up the plup story Partners of Peril - written by Theodore Tinsley and the first Batman story the Case of the criminal syndicate.
Yes, this is true and verifiable by just reading the comic books. As well as seeing 'Zorro', 'The Man Who Laughs', and the artwork that Bob Kane traced to "create" a famous 'Batman' panel... really just general plagiarism and self promotion.
Wow never new any of this in any documenties on BATMAN you only heard of BOB KANE I also like the one you did on the SUPERMAN creators love your will keep watching
Feel bad for bill finger, he did not even create the clothes for batman, or give more ideas. This is why I feel like you need to get so much more jobs in order to make a name for yourself, so others won't take it.
Man I tell you what...the only other person in the comicbook industry that could probably rival Bob Kane's sleaziness is Todd McFarlane. Now there's a video you could do!!
Kane was a piece shite no doubt. Anytime i talk about Batman to people who aren't really knowledgeable on comics or Batman...i say always, Bill Finger created Batman and the bat universe. I hate kane. When he passed i didn't even blink an eye...smh.. it should say created by finger. Instead it says Batman created by Bob Kane with Bill finger.. that's not enough.."with" created by bob AND bill if anything. Let him burn in hell..😅 good video mate 👍🏻 cheers
5:58 "pretending" implies he didn't have the original idea. Bill was cheated, but trying to neatly turn Bob into a cartoon supervillain is intellectually lazy.
I like to let these kids of the latest generation have their fun, like a class experiment. It's all been gone over dozens of times, to no avail. A writer (Finger) suggests a different uniform color and he suddenly overnight "created Batman" and should be demanding tons more money. Doesn't work like that. Kane did lots of early art on several strips before he created Batman. Finger was just... a writer - with the soul of a movie art director. Big whoop.
Well this is business. Was Bob Kane the creator? No… not really. Was he the sole creator? Hell no!!! Is this exactly how businesses works all the time? Yes, sadly yes.
The thing is bob kane did help in Batman’s fame but mostly getting the books published that’s still big but he toke it way to far also the fact everyone knew he was lier and a plagiarist no seriously the gold age comics of Batman the still images and quote bob Kane’s well known drawing we’re all taken and plagiarized from other peoples work
Bob Kane still CREATED Batman. Just because Bill Finger changed the uniform doesn't mean he is the creator. Tim Burton changed the uniform too so does he get credit for being a co creator too? Other comic writers created villains, gadgets and locations too , are they also creators? No. Batman was Bob Kane's idea and creation !
i'd like to think so too...but something isnt quiet right when people talk like these n these types of stories about the creators create doubts to their claim of the title 'creator' ... and as for me - i really dont care that much since the moment Batman was introduced to me till now.....
Bob Kane literally only came up with the name ‘Batman’ and nothing else. Bob Kane’s original design and character is entirely different than the Batman we know today. Finger is the one wrote Batman to be a dark detective with no powers who wears a bat themed cape and cowl.
Bob Kane literally only came up with the concept of Batman, Bill Finger, along with several other people helped to create what we know as Batman today, the design, his personality, his backstory, his first villains, everything _(almost)._ On top of that, the. The writers of the Post Haze Code Era of comics molded characters like Batman and Joker into what we know today. Prior to that, Joker was just a gangster with a clown aesthetic, but thanks to people like Frank Miller, we now know him as the insane terrorist and supervillain we all know.
Bob Kane lied,the final nail in the case was when a journalist came forward with audio recording of Kane admitting that bill came up with mostly everything
It’s ironic that Bob Kane was the type of person Batman would’ve thrown in jail at some point.
Bob Kane in Arkham Asylum with the fruitcakes that live there would make an interesting story.
Bill will always be the True creator
Why did Kane get all the credit? Finger got screwed. If it wasn't for Finger and other writers and artists, I bet Batman wouldn't have been as popular as he's now.
I don't even think Batman would even exist, if Finger and others weren't involved, right now.
@@rogerlambert9316 kane was leeching off the others hard work. Bill and the other artist that helped make Batman who he is need the credit. The sad thing is it was given decades late.
Many in the comics industry knew that Finger co- created Batman. Also, check out the interviews by Batman writer/editor Dennis O'Neil ,Jim Steranko, etc, about how Finger was treated by Kane & DC Comics.
I think Bill should have given Bob Kane the finger!!! Get it? 😂
I agree.
Kane's original drawings of Batman were prototypes. Finger's outfit changes for Batman were masterpieces.
That concept sketch of the blonde guy in red rights and black wings was traced from a Flash Gordon image at the time.
I read Bob Kane auto biography. I thought him to be a bit full of himself. He considered himself quite the ladies man bragging about how he dated Marilyn Monroe. I wasn't surprised to find out he stole most of the glory for Batman. He seemed like kind of a narcissist.
Bob was some dude with an idea and too unskilled to do it, he got someone who could do it for him, used him and did nothing to even credit Bill. Bob was a parasite that leaved his host the moment he got enough food (money) when he wouldn't have gotten where he did without Bill, it's sad but at least Bill's family got something out of it because people cared.
Dont let people use you like Bob did, fight for your respect that's deserved, please and justice will prevail!
Yup, Bill Finger made Batman. Everyone shits on Bob Kane nowadays and I get why but I don’t think either he should be hated on, I think they should both be treated as legends.
Update: Just finished the video and I never really knew to what extent what Bob Kane did, screw that guy!
The reason why people shit on Bob Kane is because he took all the credit and discredited Jerry Robinson and Bill Finger poor Bill died alone and pennyless in his apartment when Finger made his concept a reality of Batman.
Remember, videos like this have an ax to grind. Real people aren't cartoon villains.
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Bob Kane and Bill Finger: The Rich Man and Lazarus, respectively.
for all that was shown at a school assembly I attended. A good portion the auditorium got pissed about this. Especially when they read the grave stone. 7:09, even with that, I’m glad Bill won’t be forgotten.
It’s even more complicated than you have shown in this video. You might want to do another video on Jerry Robinson. Who was instrumental in creating Robin? The boy wonder. Also, you might be interested in doing a video on the black bat, which was a poult magazine character, which originated a lot of concepts, which later became part of the Batman mythos. For example, Batman‘s gloves originally were on the black bat. About the man who laughs at early movie, which had a character who looks suspiciously like the joker. But you’re right about one thing Bob Kane came up with nothing dealing with Batman
And the story is that Steranko punched Bob out at the DC office.
Bob Kane got the idea - bill finger fleshed him out and Kane failed to give credit where credit was due. He selfishly kept all the credit - it didn’t help that bill himself never made a stink about it when he was around - he needed legal representation- that’s not bobs fault bill needed to step up and fight his own fight. Bob Kane was as slick as heck he was greedy and that’s his legacy.
So what you call the man the pulled the trigger on the gun the victim because the man in front of it didn't know how to disarm a fully armed man guess that's how Justice works these days but that makes the world all the more worse for leaving such people unpunished
Yeah, you're right, I see your point (tee head)... It's like why blame the Nazis? The Jews should have stepped up and fight their own fight. And the same goes for children who get "M"-ed word, why aren't they stepping up? Or sexual victims of "R" word, they should step up too.
If you can't tell, I'm being super sarcastic!!!
By the way, Bob Kane's actual legacy, even to the most casual, uninformed "Batman" fan, is that he ripped off the actual creator of Batman. They might not have heard of Bill, but they definitely have heard of the controversy.
You don't even have to take my word for it, just go to any Comicon and ask anyone, who has ever heard of Bob Kane, and that's the first thing out of their mouth.
There you go Bob, there's your legacy!!! 😂
If I could travel back in time and tell him one thing it would be Thank You.
So you wouldnt stop hitler despite bill finger being jewish?
You got some screwedup priorities, people died and you can go back in time and arent even attempting to stop it.
You're selfish
Damn. That was deep. Same here. I would let him know what became of his creation. Because he never got to see it truly flourish
If I can travel back in time and was one of the people working at DC I’ll instead approach Bill Finger.
7:10 to be fair, that was probably written by his family (who probably worshipped him). I doubt Kane inscribed in his will to say that God helped him create Batman
Actually, a Joker looking character was originally in a silent movie called The Man Who Laughed. That's how he got the idea for the Joker.
Did the inspiration of Joker (The Man Who Laughed) have anything to do with the creation of The Batman Who Laughed? I don’t know much about his character, but his smile does remind me of Joker a little bit, so it wouldn’t surprise me of his name is referencing that film.
@@lofi_njb I believe so
Bob Kane is the Edison to my Tesla! Same fate had gone to both of these great man in their respective fields, never got the recognition they both deserved & died alone & miserable.
Low income people create the coolest stuff. More privileged people either create schlock themselves or have people create schlock for them. Bill and Bob. Nikki Sixx and Taylor Swift. And so on and so forth.
Wow. Parts of the story I'd never heard. You guys are good for that. Thanks for doing the deep dig
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I remember reading about this in Wizard magazine way back in the day.
Kane was an opportunist and an obvious hustler whose only goal in life was to promote himself. If anyone doubts this they only have to watch the 'making of the two Joel Schumacher Batman movies' in which on one of these Schumacher makes a great play of pointing the finger (no pun intended) at Kane as the 'individual who created Batman'. You can then witness Kane's reply to Joel that issues out of the side of his mouth with the words, " 'atta boy!" That type of response speaks volumes about his attitude to it all right there.
Like you said Batman is based on handful of pulp novels But Bill Finger and Bob Kane definitely "borrowed" heavily from the works of Walter B. Gibson the creator of the Shadow created in 1931, please look up the plup story Partners of Peril - written by Theodore Tinsley and the first Batman story the Case of the criminal syndicate.
Yes, this is true and verifiable by just reading the comic books. As well as seeing 'Zorro', 'The Man Who Laughs', and the artwork that Bob Kane traced to "create" a famous 'Batman' panel... really just general plagiarism and self promotion.
two guys
bill finger and jerry robinson got robbed
It wasn't right that it took till 2015 for Bill to get the credit he deserved, but through Batman and Green Lantern I, his legacy is eternal
Very sad to find out the truth! 🙁
Wow never new any of this in any documenties on BATMAN you only heard of BOB KANE I also like the one you did on the SUPERMAN creators love your will keep watching
It's not true.
Bill is the true creator of Batman
Just watched the Batman and bill doc, amazing heartwarming experience!
4:16-4:28 Tell us how you really feel
Thank you for the great video. Awesome topic!
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Well i write and draw crappy drawings, but those things bob kane can't ever do 😂
Too bad Kevin Conroy is no longer around. It would be his “Batman” that would beat the shit out of Kane, if this were an animated universe, that is.
Need to lookout for people looking for to steal my ideas like Bob Kane did to Bill Finger. It is all the more reason need to own my own IPs.
Feel bad for bill finger, he did not even create the clothes for batman, or give more ideas. This is why I feel like you need to get so much more jobs in order to make a name for yourself, so others won't take it.
But tell me how you really feel about Bob Kane lmao. So good haha
Man I tell you what...the only other person in the comicbook industry that could probably rival Bob Kane's sleaziness is Todd McFarlane. Now there's a video you could do!!
Kane was a piece shite no doubt. Anytime i talk about Batman to people who aren't really knowledgeable on comics or Batman...i say always, Bill Finger created Batman and the bat universe. I hate kane. When he passed i didn't even blink an eye...smh.. it should say created by finger. Instead it says Batman created by Bob Kane with Bill finger.. that's not enough.."with" created by bob AND bill if anything. Let him burn in hell..😅 good video mate 👍🏻 cheers
5:58 "pretending" implies he didn't have the original idea. Bill was cheated, but trying to neatly turn Bob into a cartoon supervillain is intellectually lazy.
I like to let these kids of the latest generation have their fun, like a class experiment. It's all been gone over dozens of times, to no avail. A writer (Finger) suggests a different uniform color and he suddenly overnight "created Batman" and should be demanding tons more money. Doesn't work like that. Kane did lots of early art on several strips before he created Batman. Finger was just... a writer - with the soul of a movie art director. Big whoop.
4:29 Real people aren't cartoon villains.
Well this is business. Was Bob Kane the creator? No… not really. Was he the sole creator? Hell no!!!
Is this exactly how businesses works all the time? Yes, sadly yes.
Batman to me has only one creator: Bill Finger. Kane at best came up with the name. Bill is a legend who will never be forgotten.
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The thing is bob kane did help in Batman’s fame but mostly getting the books published that’s still big but he toke it way to far also the fact everyone knew he was lier and a plagiarist no seriously the gold age comics of Batman the still images and quote bob Kane’s well known drawing we’re all taken and plagiarized from other peoples work
I’m the original Batman
Ok I need to see this deepfake now lol
Bob Kane still CREATED Batman. Just because Bill Finger changed the uniform doesn't mean he is the creator. Tim Burton changed the uniform too so does he get credit for being a co creator too? Other comic writers created villains, gadgets and locations too , are they also creators? No. Batman was Bob Kane's idea and creation !
i'd like to think so too...but something isnt quiet right when people talk like these n these types of stories about the creators create doubts to their claim of the title 'creator' ...
and as for me - i really dont care that much since the moment Batman was introduced to me till now.....
Bob Kane literally only came up with the name ‘Batman’ and nothing else. Bob Kane’s original design and character is entirely different than the Batman we know today.
Finger is the one wrote Batman to be a dark detective with no powers who wears a bat themed cape and cowl.
Bob Kane literally only came up with the concept of Batman, Bill Finger, along with several other people helped to create what we know as Batman today, the design, his personality, his backstory, his first villains, everything _(almost)._ On top of that, the. The writers of the Post Haze Code Era of comics molded characters like Batman and Joker into what we know today. Prior to that, Joker was just a gangster with a clown aesthetic, but thanks to people like Frank Miller, we now know him as the insane terrorist and supervillain we all know.
Bob Kane lied,the final nail in the case was when a journalist came forward with audio recording of Kane admitting that bill came up with mostly everything
Bob Kane admitted in an interview that Bill Finger was responsible for around 75% of Batman’s creation. 😅
Lies