God I always love Holly’s long conversations with her live chat. To echo someone from her The Beginners Guide stream, it’s incredible she’s garnered such an insightful community to have these flowing, deeply passionate conversations on twitch of all damn places
I think the fun thing about the "canon answer" to the killer's nature is how little it actually fuckin' explains. We can ascribe it a taxa now i guess but how it GOT there, or how far its gotten AWAY from there, or what it was even doing there to BEGIN with, is just. phgpghghghhghghghbhbhbhbpbhpbhbphbpbhpbhbhbhbtle. Oh shit, going by the "BB is trans" reading (which I was already predisposed to not based on any evidence but holy shit when you lay it out like that its an incredibly easy reading) if the "abstract concept of the killer" shed its "assigned at birth" drinky bird status with whateverthehell was going on during Face and based itself after BB is. Is the killer a trans thing. But like specifically a "second-gen" trans thing inspired by BB in the same way BB was inspired by Bebe Buell. Like thats. Huh. I mean i consider that ansillary to whateverthehell is going on thematically since i don't much care for trying to fit the personification of aimless violence being a trans metaphor into a philosophical context. Like The Killer IS framed as countercultural and seemingly resentful of the equally unjustifiable but also hypocritical violence of "order" but thats still... Ehhhh. Also now I'm thinking about the historic-by-genre-conventions influence of Sleepaway Camp on the slasher genre and how that could interact (sympathetically) with BB as the target-of-violence-subsumed-by-public-opinion-into-its-source thing, which. Ok thats just what the games' about "to me" now when I put it like that. Don't think (???) its intended, and it definitely isn't the ONLY thing these games' are about "to me" but its. Very close to the summation of my larger takeaways, thats poignant.
I really like what you have to say wrt the BB is trans reading but wrt what you're saying about the killer as a trans thing... i don't see it as bad or questionable the way you do RE: aimless/semi-aimless violence (or at least seem to, maybe i'm reading you wrong); the killer is vague, relatively undefined other than a broad metaphor for history (as seen in the bonus rooms), which to me plays into its chaotic, countercultural identity-- and in turn, the space queer/trans (literally the latin root "across") people occupy within the larger "straight" norm; we blur the notion of straightness, both in sex, sexuality and gender, as the organic norm, as opposed to a construct. As long as straightness is considered the norm, which it absolutely is, we'll be outsiders no matter how hard some try to carve a space in the existing hierarchy. Thus, when inaction or working within the system is subservient and disadvantaged to the hypocritical, and frankly FAR more prolific in its violence, capital-O Order, it is far better to rampage without a care in the world and without a veneer of justification; when the killer takes off its mask (4:49:33), there's nothing behind it.
I don’t think I’ll ever know what I wan’t. And I don’t really want to know what other people want. So far, doing what other people have wanted me to do? It’s generally sucked. I suppose it’s nice, not having any heroes. But I don’t know who I am.
God I always love Holly’s long conversations with her live chat. To echo someone from her The Beginners Guide stream, it’s incredible she’s garnered such an insightful community to have these flowing, deeply passionate conversations on twitch of all damn places
Fellas, is it gay if your narrative foil asks you to enter the algorithmic Mortality & Desire Panopticon together?
Babe wake up new killer just dropped
Please wake up babe new killer just dropped on the floor and got so so scared and hurt it needs your help
as soon as she got back to mansion gardens i was like "DO IT AGAIN. DO IT AGAIN. DO IT AGAIN. DO IT AGAIN. YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
Watching through for the media talk at the end of heart of the killer, it was worth it
I think the fun thing about the "canon answer" to the killer's nature is how little it actually fuckin' explains. We can ascribe it a taxa now i guess but how it GOT there, or how far its gotten AWAY from there, or what it was even doing there to BEGIN with, is just. phgpghghghhghghghbhbhbhbpbhpbhbphbpbhpbhbhbhbtle.
Oh shit, going by the "BB is trans" reading (which I was already predisposed to not based on any evidence but holy shit when you lay it out like that its an incredibly easy reading) if the "abstract concept of the killer" shed its "assigned at birth" drinky bird status with whateverthehell was going on during Face and based itself after BB is. Is the killer a trans thing. But like specifically a "second-gen" trans thing inspired by BB in the same way BB was inspired by Bebe Buell. Like thats. Huh. I mean i consider that ansillary to whateverthehell is going on thematically since i don't much care for trying to fit the personification of aimless violence being a trans metaphor into a philosophical context. Like The Killer IS framed as countercultural and seemingly resentful of the equally unjustifiable but also hypocritical violence of "order" but thats still... Ehhhh. Also now I'm thinking about the historic-by-genre-conventions influence of Sleepaway Camp on the slasher genre and how that could interact (sympathetically) with BB as the target-of-violence-subsumed-by-public-opinion-into-its-source thing, which. Ok thats just what the games' about "to me" now when I put it like that. Don't think (???) its intended, and it definitely isn't the ONLY thing these games' are about "to me" but its. Very close to the summation of my larger takeaways, thats poignant.
I really like what you have to say wrt the BB is trans reading but wrt what you're saying about the killer as a trans thing... i don't see it as bad or questionable the way you do RE: aimless/semi-aimless violence (or at least seem to, maybe i'm reading you wrong);
the killer is vague, relatively undefined other than a broad metaphor for history (as seen in the bonus rooms), which to me plays into its chaotic, countercultural identity-- and in turn, the space queer/trans (literally the latin root "across") people occupy within the larger "straight" norm; we blur the notion of straightness, both in sex, sexuality and gender, as the organic norm, as opposed to a construct. As long as straightness is considered the norm, which it absolutely is, we'll be outsiders no matter how hard some try to carve a space in the existing hierarchy. Thus, when inaction or working within the system is subservient and disadvantaged to the hypocritical, and frankly FAR more prolific in its violence, capital-O Order, it is far better to rampage without a care in the world and without a veneer of justification; when the killer takes off its mask (4:49:33), there's nothing behind it.
A night where I'm failing to be tired even more than usual- perfect for The Killer!
Spoilers for the first of the two games:
The juxtaposition of the shitty Unity Assetflip-type house and hackneyed Hallmark movies is very good
1:08:50 Love the furious BB face here.
Also, clones?? Clone bootleg BBs in the resort?? What
Holy shit.
1:20:50 HE’S HERE
Concerning.
1:37:45 TRANS LESBIAN FURRY PROTAGONIST 🎉🎉🎉🎉 BEST GAME EVER MADE
I don’t think I’ll ever know what I wan’t. And I don’t really want to know what other people want. So far, doing what other people have wanted me to do? It’s generally sucked.
I suppose it’s nice, not having any heroes. But I don’t know who I am.
The return of The Killer!!!
GAME EGBIN 20:32
and end of flubber
When I translate this it says HARD GAME
@@gayrurumon truly the dark souls of The Killer
Beta BB looks SO much like the Cool Police Officer, tbh.
I LOVE ANTHOLOGY OF THE KILLERRRRRR AAUUUWGH YAAARRRRGH AWHHHH
thank you very much for the phrase "lesbian swagger carpet" bc you know i lesbian swag 'er carpet all the time