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Florida man finally comes to the realization after the 27th Amazon dump that the Bob's really know what they're doing
At least when it comes to making money.
Just curious what is an Amazon dump?
I love how in the collectibles space we can talk about a year ago ie. “who remembers 2022” like its some bygone era of horse drawn carriages, speakeasys and swing music. It makes me long for the simpler times of yesteryear, like early July.
One of the reasons people bail is the lows after a frenzied peak. You get used to ridiculous turnover and price appreciation and a slow or even a normal market feels like the end of the hobby.
I pulled a Jace the mind sculptor in 7th grade. I ended up trading him for a school lunch because I couldn't afford it lol.
The hell were you doing buying packs when you couldn't afford lunch?
@@KrazPunch didn’t buy the pack. It was a gift for my birthday. I was 12. It was a long time ago now. I just look back and laugh.
@@grisselbrandthegreat5567 lol I guess it's just like never opening the pack then and getting a lunch for your birthday in the end
tbh, best investment. food > cardboard
I don't know, you could put taco sauce on cardboard...
Your videos are like the only vids on youtube that I can watch the whole video and not remember a single specific thing you said afterward... but like I still find it all interesting.
24:55 - 26:02 by far the best recap of the last 3 years how magic threw their monopol position.
Their cocky "too big to fail" behaviour allowed those other games to grow. MTG is screaming for competition!
A little context - The original Kamigawa block was generally terrible at the time in Standard, because it followed Mirrodin block, which saw a tremendous number of Standard bannings due to the high power level. The power level of WotC designed sets used to swing like a pendulum as they tried to compensate for terrible blocks or overpowered blocks on the regular. It kind of started when Richard Garfield insisted on Magic slowing down post-Legends, having been inspired by The Magic Goes Away by Larry Niven. We had 4 full sets of slow, underpowered Magic until Alliances and then the pendulum started to swing gently until Urza's block, when the swings started getting really wide.
Although kamigawa was weak, the flavor was absolutely 10/10 and I loved it to death
Start a channel please
@@bloozism oh, I agree. Too bad they didn't have MDFC cards back then, amirite?
Yeah. Kamigawa wasnt thst weak. Gave us some rather neat niche cards that became busted sideways once ravnica and guildpact dropped. (Looking specificlly at you ghost dad dec. (Promise of bunrei/ghost concil of orzova). Isumaru, jitte, o-naginata. While the samurai where pretty ehhh. (Rats ninja themselves ran circles around most fnms for a long time. With or without jitte.) And heartbeat of spring/maga traitor to mortals. It was a nice change of face then going do i have removal for there cranial plating/broodstar? Guess i die.
@@TangleWireEnjoyer Yeah, that was kind of the point. Mirrodin block was so fast and brutal and Kamigawa block was slower and more balanced. At the time, it seemed weak/terrible by comparison, but 20 years later, it seems wonderful. I'm a fan and rather enjoyed Neon Dynasty as well.
If you don’t like what Wizards and Hasbro react with your wallet. It is the ONLY thing that they understand and they learn very slowly just like Disney.
It's honestly hilarious. I bet 2023 ends up being their most profitable year ever...
I stopped by product at start of 2022, nothing has gone anywhere price wise since then.
You realize Disney lost cash bc of covid right? But somehow they still netted positive FCF.
It ain’t going nowhere just like hasbro isn’t going bankrupt anytime soon.
They’ll continue to release products because the younger generation likes the flashy cards and the 1 of 1 serials. The real spenders are the younger generation, not us old folks that were born in the 80s and 90s. All we do is complain and whine. Reminds me of the mercadian masque days. So many called it quits and vowed to never return, yet 90% of them came back a few years later
@danielfchen8895. Yup, preach it brother. Wasn’t Magic30 supposed to be the downfall of Wizards and now 2023 they’re laughing all the way to the bank
@@danielfchen8895 Might want to study the market demographics a bit better... The average player age is ~30, and those are the ones with the most disposable income. They'll be fine, for sure, largely because of the incoming players to help stabilize the adapting market, but every move that alienates their main base *will* cost them significantly in the short run.
You should video yourself burning all of your Hasbro and Wizards stuff to stick it to them. Make sure you share the video so everyone can laugh, I mean learn.
11 was hitting the vault.
12 was stealing the art.
13 was shaking the building.
The hero in the comments
14 was the best final fantasy mmo
With these deals, I'm gonna be drafting new capenna till I'm 90
Ha, yeah I bought a bunch of Draft at $60 per box....seems like a nice buy and LT hold at that level.
Yeah but you are 89 now. 😂😂😂
Streets of Copacabana
@@mcwildcats8isgr8I actually like SNC. Lots of fantastic underrated staples
Thanks for the financial advice Rudy. I dumped a ton of money into the market and lost 20% immediately. Felt great. Wife is filing for a divorce as we speak so ill be picking up shifts at the Wendys again after she takes half my shit. Cheers
That’s word for word what he has been saying. Buy now and be down in a month.
Feels bad man. I hate it when my ~~wife~~ investor pulls out after learning of a 20% loss at the quarterly earnings call. :(
Missed opportunities on the mind? I started playing MtG during Unlimited and totally didn't understand the game rules (long story short, i thought you could only drop a land OR play a card once a turn), so I thought Moxes were worthless - a more easily destructible land. So, back then creatures were king and I met older players who were way more savvy about the game, and I really wanted a Lord of the Pit more than anything.... so one of these older kids offered me a revised Lord of the Pit for a Mox Ruby and Mox Pearl I had and made me throw in a Cyclopian Tomb (another card i didnt understand). I jumped at the chance... decades later and I am still thinking about that trade. :(
What’s the market for old cards going to be years down the road when most of that target market has moved on to other games? Times are changing.
Zendikar block was great. Was able to buy some booster boxes for $90-$95 a piece, and stores were still making $15-$25 a box. My favorite time in Magic, and now...Magic is in my past.
I am 100% positive, the reprints are killing the value of any non reserve list cards, ergo killing the game.
What really is putting MtG into question from a financial stand point is the comparison with the alternatives. FaB and Sorcery seem to be on the rise. They are competing with MtG but the have tighter productlines, in many parts they are still cheaper (amazon dumps excuded) and they seem to be much more customeroriented. Pokemon from my perspective seems to be a much saver harbour, I will buy into this bad era. But honestly there are stocks and other options. Hope your having a good day!
I’ve put a large amount of money into 5% CDs that come to term in January 2024. Hard to beat free money.
Margins at times have been this bad. But the raw $ cost to fill a stores shelf is getting up there.
I feel bad for the LGSs. They're the ones trying to get by. I saw the saddest thing a couple of months ago at mine. The store owner and his wife are the only employees. He held his daughter's 4th Birthday party at the store.
What's wrong or sad about having your kids birthday party in a gaming store? I feel like the vast majority of 4 year olds have a way more boring party than that...most are at home with like 1-3 other people tops lol
I would have loved to have a party at one
The issue is the guy couldn't close down his store due to loss of revenue so he had to do it there. I'll tell you that a 4 year old wants nothing to do with a bunch of nerds in their 20's-30's that are throwing cardboard around and vice versa.
Nothing sad about small businesses going under. They're playing the game, they're losing.
@vauk5081 I dunno, i honestly think most 4 year olds could care less, I've had 3. I can 100% see it annoying some neckbeards hanging around the shop though.
They oversupplied the market and jacked up prices of the boxes drastically. There are going to be less fresh blood going forward due to demographics. It feels like a cash grab by Wotc before their audience ages out. It would be interesting to get demographics on the player base. Think it’s starting to get top heavy aka more old people then young.
there’s still a market for MtG but Hasbro probably thinks that ~75% of launches now are “get margins then get out” and don’t care what people think. That company would be underwater without WOTC and they cannot afford for anything to underperform expectations from their data
I was a big MTG fan for modern Magic 2015 and above. Spend big and build a nice colection of about 260 Seald boxes. Now i try to sell all of them and re invest in Pokemon and FaB. FaB is special for me becaus i have a nice comiunit her in germany and i love to play the game. Evry one is so positv and happy about the state of the game and LSS.
I saved up to buy Commander masters collector boxes.
Then I saw the price and that it was only for 4 packs.
Im out. This is insane. The product is not worth this much money.
Yea, I've been out of a few sets because of the cost just skyrocketing and secondary markets being even wilder.
this is why you buy singles, lol. nobody is forcing you to buy sealed product.
Remember when people were buying packs to open not horde for years in a storage locker? TCG is tired of it man, they’re gonna flood it out. It’s partially your fault daddy.😊
I feel like this is the 20th video you’ve made about this every 3 months over the last couple years now. Rinse, wash, repeat in 3 months. “When all hope is lost, this is where real wealth is made yadda yadda yadda…stick with magic everybody!!”
What’s the definition of insanity again? 🤔
That’s because the Magic community loses its mind with negativity every new release
I will always find value in sealed draft booster boxes- NOT collector or set booster boxes because the only value is in the singles and not being able to actually draft and enjoy the cards is a big turn off for me. 20 years from now when magic is played in the 5th dimension and people complain that a 5/5 with vigilance for 2 white mana is slow and weak- I'll be drafting Invasion and Planeshift looking at OG foils and drinking vodka prune juices.
We are in the age of the Amazon collectible dump. That really says it all.
Rudy as Dr. Cocks and Hasbro continue to siphon the revenues off the secondary market at what point will the bottom fall out of sealed product for Magic. All these reprints at some point have to to be effecting the the sealed product market value of older print runs.
I'm done buying boxes unless it's Amazon dump. Long live Sorcery
It makes the "They are game pieces" crowd happy though.
I think we've entered a junk wax Era with LotR. Pretty much everything is worthless unless it's the 1 good mythic or some rare in the 1/20 case hit foil slot or a #'d card.
We're officially dipping into the sportscard market chasing the big product hit, then once someone hits it, the boxes and singles tank, then slowly creep up after rotation.
He built the bridge he's living under
From his hoarded planechase blunder
He's still down there slapping chalupas
Until they turn to gold
Soon may the tacoman come
Creepy Basement Investor Scum
One day when the timmies are done
He'll buy their cards and hold
I better see you in more comments sections 🔫
I love Rudy's optimism and believe intelligent optimism outperforms pessimism. And at the same time, we know Wizards goofed when Rudy won't touch the product.
Intelligent optimism, tempered with a dash of pessimism is usually the way to go 🙂
Man, I didn't see anything that I really had to have. It looked like it was just discounted shit nobody wanted.
To me, it was mostly only good for players who like to draft and also collectors who overpayed for sets so now they think they're getting a great deal.
@IneptCardCollector yeah the collector booster boxes are a good deal, but the sets aren't the greatest.
commander is the only reason there is still value in a lot of old stuff
if commander ever dies the cardboard becomes worthless paper. Standard and modern died with how many sets come out.
Amazon is trying to fuck me over with those lotr commander decis
Me too i cancelled mine fuck them and fuck wotc went to fred meter and they had a hosts of mordor for 62.99 i had it locked in for 40$ on amazon
I ended up getting a full refund for the ones I ordered. They shipped it to me twice, and both times only had 1 deck in the box.
@@scottblaine472 I got 3 out of 4 but not the one i wanted most xD
@@scottblaine472 Is that internal theft on their end?
@@TheEmpyroN I honestly don't know. They told me it was a unpacking error when they received the shipment in. I got my money back, so that is at least a plus haha!
Bought 3 DomU collectors for 110 each. Opened one box, hit a Legends Rare and still couldn't break even on the box haha
DomU collectors for 110 a box? what? I woulda bought everything
@@chickenj90 sadly it was capped at 3 boxes, but yah the deal was ridiculous
@@gami_tcg7887
Your account = 3
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Sister's account = 9
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I love that your content is really just general finance through the lens of a specific commodity.
Well……..I have some ABU’s singles and some sealed products. Old stuff. I don’t even play anymore but I still love the game. I’ll be keeping it all no matter what happens. For better or worse. I think the MTG market will come back and the value will return. If I’m wrong I still have the cards I love.
Now this sorcery game looks interesting. I may try and get some boxes (if I have the money) to not only play but collect. Guess we will see.
they wont dump the same product* via amazon again, but through secret lair bundles :)
I'm gonna say it here too, my brothers war collectors box I got was resealed and they didn't want to refund me the full amount because I had unfinity in the same cart. I have to return both to get the correct amount back.
Yep stories like these are very common. Which makes it even more outrageous wizards are still teaming up with them..
You just can't trust anything from Amazon nowadays, at least not if you didn't pre-order it. Once the stock from individual sellers gets mixed in with Amazon's it is game over for being able to trust any of it.
Can you post proof that you bought “Sold by Amazon, Shipped by Amazon” ?? Or was it from a 3rd party seller?
@@patmacrotch5611 It does happen with this label on the product.
@@sdoren_9074 Sounds like a plan lol. I'm returning it later today to Kohls sealed so someone can enjoy it lol.
Mostly agree Rudy, but interest rates are high and real estate values are dropping. There are markets down by 30%, even the best markets are down by double digits. Its not 2009 but its pretty bad nonetheless.
Back with Worldwake, MSRP was $4 and boxes were $72 cost for USA retailers.
Players didn't realize the power of Worldwake until it was out for around 7-9 months, by which point the supply had dried up.
Saviors of Kamigawa had a BOGO by Wizards at one point.
Coldsnap was a disaster
So many of these things don't play out till later... (for some value of "play out")
Then you have Commander Masters or Battle for Commander Legends Battle for Baldur's Gate - overpriced up front, crashed out, may never recover.
Double masters 2022 draft boxes were sold for $355 through Rudy I do believe. These draft boxes are actually cheaper? What gives?
Mtg is the only product in a gaming store that players demand have 10-15% margins. The average margin of miniatures is 45%
Margins are high bc the demand is high. In a store they can sell 3x-5x mtg (if they have the right products) vs a 45% margin that moves 1-2pcs a day.
In business it’s about volume. I rather have lower margins and sell more than high margins and selling 1-2 pcs
@@danielfchen8895elling high demand stuff for 45% margin is still probably the option.
@@Possu81His whole point is it isn't. Things that don't sell well need high margins to justify shelf space. That's just how it works.
@@BAMvideos12 Congratulations, you all have a terrible sense of business and economics. You have something that doesn't sell well. Why is it taking up inventory space and taxes for you? It shouldn't be. How long are you going to leave it sitting unsold before you realize it's a completely failed investment, and reduce the margin to break even and get out of it? Or even at a loss? Are you actually running the numbers eventually of how much money has really been put into this product, how much money has been lost by not getting rid of this thing at a lower margin earlier to allow for merchandise that would have turned over several times for even more profit in the end, regardless of being at the lower margins.
Congratulations. You all learned NOTHING about business.
@@danielfchen8895 or run a coffee shop and have both
It's not overprinting it is price descrimination strategy via customer segmentatio to maximize marginal sales over marginal costs. Its advanced economics. There are thousands who will buy magic at whatever price and won't wait for discounts. They shop through traditional lines and pay heavy premiums. There are thousands who won't buy mtg unless heavily discounted but they are willing to wait. WoTC has to sell direct to get these customers to get at thier marginal price point while maximizing WoTC internal profits but at the same time minimize the window of sales so at to exclude those customers who are will8ng to pay the premium.
Hasbro is smokin crack if they think I am paying that much for a set booter box.
Dude these obscenely inflated boxes with EV below 100$ even sell? I feel like all those sealed 900 or 1000 dollar boxes are not worth shit its just a bubble in terms of what those boxes contain as real value.
Good! Let it burn. Black Aragorn demands it!
Sorcery is so fun. Nostalgic game vibes yet modern. ❤❤❤
Sorcery is the awnser
I still think they'll milk it as much as they can before backflipping, apologising and doing something insane for the players like reprinting the reserved list. Nothing against FAB and Im keen for sorcery... But no other TCG even comes close to the complexity/diversity that is MTG that is main stream. And that's why it's so well loved as a game.
to the big stores..it's not about revenue...its all about sales volume
Imo FAB is the future of TCGs and the potential long term growth is tremendous.
Can we please return to the days of a yearly core set and 3 expansions per year? 🙏
0:00 FOLKS~! ❤
It's a game not an investment lol!!!!!
Not always. What's wrong with having both and being aware of both? That's like ignoring the 2nd hole in sex
I've been playing mtg for 28 years, and I'll be playing for at least another 25.
Cynthia really went from selling cigarettes to crack
Everyone I know who's bought from Amazon has been hosed with damaged or resealed product. I think this will likely create extremely low confidence in long term sealed value for this era of Magic products.
The last sealed product I bought from WOTC was Commander Legends. 3 collectors packs. They were incredibly faded cards and crinkling straight out of the pack. I was shocked.
Now I only buy second hand and the singles I like.
My sorcery box cards are pristine and the finest quality cardboard I have ever held. Flesh and Blood has much superior quality I have found as well lately.
ive never had an issue, I bought 6 boxes of masters 22 , months ago and all were sealed in the og wrap , and had normal hits.
Lol, everyone you know. You better play the lottery because the chances of that being true are astronomical
Isn't this something eligible to a lawsuit or something if this is the case.
I've bought quite a bit of MTG from Amazon and never had issues with damage by them and have never received resealed boxes either.
There are no such sales in middle europe...that sucks
I’m funneling my powder into even more debt-elimination so, when it’s time, more of my future cash flow can go towards vintage MTG acquisition. The prices look juicy but I think they’ll get juicier. I might be completely debt-free by the time the MTG markets get wise
At this point though, is Hasbro just telling LGS's that they know they no longer need them?
In 2009 the zendikar situation was night and day from what we have now. Secret lair, draft, set, collector boxes vs just the 1 sealed product. It's not apples to apples at all.
lol - there wasnt any good magic sale ever on amazon - at least over here 🤷♂
15 years later and Rudy still has the salt 🧂
Last year was hilarious though
I got into buying new sealed product in 2022. I started with 1x Modern Masters 2022 Draft & Collectors. Got 1x Dominaria United Set & Collector. Grabbed a draft Unfinity box....
But then I lost my job. And I took a face beating on the boxes that I bought as I picked them up around their release rather than watching the markets and seeing if the boxes go cheaper.
And then Amazon dump. And then Cruel Summer of 2022. And then M30... ugh.
Without extra income I missed out on the really good sets that came out after these.
I've been tempted to crack open these boxes just to enjoy the cards... maybe crack something cool to sell.
But as Rudy mentioned, Worldwake booster box now is not the same price and feelings that were felt when it was a standard set.
This video encouraged me to continue to pretend that those boxes aren't sitting in my closet :)
I still remember how horrible the Dark and Fallen Empires and Ice Ages were back in the day.
At least they looked like Magic cards.
Then Mirage saved the world
I loved all those sets. Yes they were "horrible," but they were also awesome.
I just hope that WOTC uses soy-based inks so that when my collection reaches zero, I can get some good compost out of it because I will never sell it.
Well I guess we now know what product of 2023 WotC is gonna screw up! I guess it's Commander Masters!
I created a calendar event for 5 years from today with a link to this video at the 32:54 timestamp.
Man, it feels even better each day to be a FaB player and leaving MTG :))
...Thanks to you Rudy, because you made huge impact on promoting this game! ❤️
Amen!!! Long Live James White!!!
I was around in the cruel summer of 2020. I was around in the summer of '69. I was around in the ditches of 1914. I was around when Salem burnt. I was around when .... oh whatever.
Kamigawa sets was my fav back then after that set is when i stop playing ..
It just hit me that From The Vault is the precursor to Secret Lairs
Holy shit, did I just hear you say "Twisted Sister"? lololololol. I want to rock too!
The left side of a Pareto bell curve is not low success and the right side is not high success. The only thing you measure horizontally on a graph like that is standard deviations. What you're describing is just a best fit line graph showing outliers and averages
I'd just feel better if Mark Bottomwater would resign in protest. Ya know?
Thing is, Mark Bottomwater is doing a generally great job. He working set design/vision and the sets have been fantastic.
@@blackswanmtgspeak for yourself. Sets have had useless crappy mechanics and the draft designs outside of LotR has been absolute trash. Bottomwater needed to go years ago
@@blackswanmtg 🤣🤣🤣
You are wrong about this being the first commander set to come out
Bought Dominaria United Collector box for $110 + tax.
Yeah, but it's still Dominaria United.
@@IneptCardCollector
Lol...
I'll see you in Patreon
@@MadolcheGabbana Guess I’ll see you both there. 😄
@@IneptCardCollector And the one box I bought will have a (8.5-graded) Kobold. 😊
Dominaria remastered was selling for the same price.. yikes
I was there for the cruel summer I watched those videos and I did what you said I closed my eyes and just kept dollar cost averaging money into stocks and other investments. Have always enjoyed your content thanks brother
Florida man tells you to buy the top of the stock market 😂😂😂
Rudy, why are you not buying Cryptid Nation boxes at $300?
Im buying a rolex Datejust 😊
2022 crash was best thing ever. I bought btc at 15.9k and s&p 3% off the bottom. Setforlife.
Any news on Amazon rebox scams from the dump?
As a collector of mtg, I find these prices out of reach for many people... Although singles seem to be high
Hello Rudy
do what do we buy into, then? stocks?
what is the print run and what is the sell rate or sell through? Commander Masters, like the last several releases, is a buy the single product. the price point on CM is so off i fear the devastation it could bring to the local LGS's. Magic is not dead but it's sick and i'm not sure Hasbro knows how sick i is.
nice one skipping the draft and set boxes Rudy fair play
do you still have any lorwyn or shadowmoore boxes ? those sets were considered bad at the time, but looking back were peak 2000s magic
Lorwyn changed the game when it dropped. Before that, 99% of sets only had a few good cards.
@@J0SHUAKANEfalse. Mirrodin block???
Rudy: "Don't look at things short-term!!!"
Also Rudy: Uses short-term stock performance as 'proof' that he's right
I don't think Magic is very different from other collectibles right now.
This isn't a dump. It is just an Amazon day sale. How did people not expect this, say said it was coming.
correct ^
The market doesn't care what you call it.
Amazon day sales are not mark downs well below acquisition costs. This is a dump
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“Nothing is as it seems.”
-Gerda Äagesdotter, Archmage of the Unseen
“Hit ‘em again” probably Die Hard - rocket launcher from top deck on the cops trying to breach the building with an “atv” - classic reference Rudy
The quarterback is toast!!
Less Magic, More Taco. This is the way.
Let's be honest here guys and gals, post 2020 MTG is hot trash. I'm sorry but it is.
That's what I said in 1999.
@@mattie3875I quit trying to keep up after 5th edition, and check in on these videos from time to time out of morbid curiosity.
Rudy, what do you think of the TCG Gods Unchained? Iiiiits fuuuunnnnnn! Try it if you haven't yet!
All of them will become Dragon's Maze
Even if the boxes are $1k each. How many are opened? Just like worldwake. NO ONE is opening them because it is reprinted to dirt. $1k to open Jace for $40?
$1k isn’t about the value in the box. It’s about the ability to open the box. Things will continue to happen to sealed boxes. Some will be destroyed (fire, flooding, etc.) Some will get opened to sell or raffle off as packs (or loot boxed). Some will be opened by a streamer who will generate enough profit on the stream to pay for the box. Eventually someone or group rich enough will decide to open a box for a draft or chaos draft and the rarity of the box determines the price.
@@chim007azo Cool story bro. Tag me when that happens. But even so. 1/10000 timmies gonna sell one box then what?
There just isnt any profit for the other 99% of people. Gonna get stucked with it if the company gonna reprint everything to oblivion