Making Domino Joints for $30
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- Nick demonstrates how “domino” joints were made in days gone by, when they were known as “loose tenon” joints and all you needed was a hand-held drill and a doweling jig. This method isn’t as fast as a dedicated domino joiner, perhaps; but it’s effective and economical.
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They don't assume you do 🙄
They are using the tool they have because they do it professionally, but there isn't a single thing that can't be done with entry level tools.
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I would too if I got a kickback from festool lol😁😂. Honestly, just giving you crap…don’t know one way or the other if you are; doesn’t matter😁
make a length of "tenon" round over on router table, cut to length.
Hey! That’s a pretty good idea!
While you're at it use the router table to cut the slots
If you're doing a lot of tenons, sure. But most of the time I just look for any excuse to get out a hand plane.
That's great if you have a router. I think the point to be made is that it's not necessary. As someone with limited tools and limited hand mobility (thanks to a reckless driver nearly checking me out of life early), the option to do this kind of joinery where I am, with the tools I have or can borrow, is important.
A lot of early woodworkers are in a similar place because the entry to the craft sometimes feels like looking up a mountain. Skills lessons should be accessible to everyone, not just those with money for a shop full of power tools.
@@KatieCottinghamabsolutely- people getting started dont need to see all the short cut fancy expensive machinery people use to make it seem more expensive to start than it really is. Wood is expensive enough these days without fancy tools. This is a fantastic video, thanks so much!
Keep up your good work and don’t change the way you present it.
Not planning on it. Thanks.
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The educational content is awesome, I also love the humor he injects in the commentary.
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Hi Nick,
I used this technique after watching your video and it worked like a charm. I wanted to do something experimental and made some floating tenons out of Baltic Birch plywood.I did some destructive backyard testing with a sledge hammer .They seem to be stronger than solid wood, which is what I anticipated.
Interesting post; thanks for sharing. Commercial dominoes are made from compressed birch chips. The wood grain in the chips goes every which way, just like in commercial biscuits. This product is quite strong, so it makes sense that a plywood domino would be as well.
I totally love the South Park style intro!
Preoccupation with fractions haha
Thanks for sharing the knowledge
Most welcome.
That looks way easier than trying to follow any of the "homemade domino joiner" videos.
Is there a big increase in stability over just a pair of dowels?
If by "stability" you mean strength, then not likely. An informal test we did indicated that dowel joints were stronger. But dowels don't allow you to make slight adjustments as you glue up.
Brilliant, Nick! 😃
Thanks a lot for the tip!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Most welcome.
For those people adverse to wallowing out the slot with a drill bit since they're not designed for that, machinist endmills are available designed to cut metal on the side. Most also cut on the end but you have to buy the plunge type.
For that matter, straight router bits could also be used.
Thanks. I see a great value in just using a doweling jig and dowels. Good tips
Great advice
That is an amazing trick! I'm going to try that out in the morning!
Good luck!
Perfect idea. Thanks
Most welcome.
wow I like this guy 👍
Great video
Excellent tip! And I always enjoy the hammer spin..... I'm certain I'd hurt myself or break something if I tried that.😄
Just curious if there is a significant advantage to the diy domino over two dowels? Seems like a lot of effort for not much gain
The only useful difference I see is the ability to shift the 2 pieces your gluing up a little. Dominos give you the ability to do some adjusting to the left and right where dowels require a tight fit for a good joint. - Travis
Another great video from the man.. An alternative to an expensive domino machine for a weekend woodworker.. However, if you are a tradesman on a budget you could make do with dowels or a much more affordable bench morticer and tenon making jigs/methods..
One day Festool's world patent will lapse and affordable knock off domino machines will be as cheap as the biscuit joiner..
A biscuit joiner and commercially available metal biscuits could be another good Strength/Time/Cost option.
With a router table ( purchased or home made not withstanding ) it would be easy
enough, to round over the edges, of a long length of wood, of the right dimensions,
to create a stock of dominoes.
Since I've left education, I don't have access to a wood room with among other nice things, a lovely branded semi automatic floating tenon mortice cutter anymore. (Well, unless I ask, but I've got a deck to rebuild first.)
I've got some shelves to build for my sister's new kitchen, and was thinking that I'd do the same thing with the dowelling jig and a trim router with a guide. Now that I think about it, maybe even the drill press and a spiral upcut bit. All of which, are paid for! Or I could use my mill and make a vertical holding jig...
Thanks again, Nick! You've got me thinking... Now, back to the damned deck calculations!
Glad we could cloud things up...;-)
Nick is a very skilled woodworker! I have read many of his books and articles on building many pieces!
Yes a domino is expensive, but you get what you pay for. Quick and clean mortises. Not that having alternatives is bad, but advertising this as a viable alternative I don’t know. Probably takes 30 minutes to make one joint start to finish versus 10 seconds with domino. Time = money.
I love your content and everything you have done for the Shopsmith community and the larger woodworking community in general, but I have to disagree on this one. You can clearly see significant drillbit runout/tearout in the mortise in the video. In order to have the maximum joint strength and glue strength you must have a tight fit between the opposing pieces (in this case a loose tenon and two mortises). Gaps will cause glue and joint failure. I suspect the finished result is not going to be as strong as you would like. JMO. I agree the Domino is just too expensive, but I finally bit the bullet and bought one myself and it is worth almost every penny because of how clean the mortises are, but more so because of how fast it is (probably 10x faster than what you showed here). Bottomline is the Domino is meant to be a productivity enhancement tool and not every woodworker needs it.
Or you could just use the doweling jig. 😂😂😂. No one will know what you use between those two boards.
@@talonk3 Doweling jigs work great and I still have my Jessem Dowel Jig. Only problem is they are a lot slower than the Domino. This was my point...not everyone needs a Domino but unfortunately FOMO causes a lot of people to either buy a Domino or gripe about it while trying to find cheaper solutions. The Lamello Zeta P2 biscuit jointer is like 2x the cost of a Domino but I don't see woodworkers online trying to recreate one, but I see so many of these attempts to recreate a Domino and my question is WHY???
Thank you for the video. I would like to buy that Task Dowling jig but it looks like it is no longer available. There are others but I do not know if they are as good as the Task or not. Any ideas?
It's available through Woodcraft.
The one thing Festool’s “Domino” joiner has going for it is speed and repeatability of multiple sections.
If you are working on production en masse, Festool.
If you build a few things a year (most of us): Nick’s way makes way more sense.
Awesome information. Thank you.
Most welcome.
If you are going to all that trouble to make your own loose tenon joint, wouldn't it be easier to just do mortise and tenon. Use your method for the mortise and cut the tenon on a table saw. By the way , I own a Domino and you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands.
I can say having a Domino cutter at my disposal is king for sure, however the business owns it so if it were just me, this would be a great start at earningenough to buy one!
Festool patent on the domino expires this year! can't wait to get my hands on one for waaaaay less than the festool tax.
That was an excellent instruction video! I refused to pay that type of money for a piece of equipment when I can do the job for roughly $30.
Thank you very much for this information!
Most welcome. But I have say in all honesty, that jig that I used was something I picked in the late 70s or early 80s. It was made in America with the sort of tool craftsmanship we used to take for granted back then. To get that sort of quality tool today costs a little more than $30 -- read the recommendation we made at the end of the video description.
It depends. True if you are a hobbyist. But if you are a professional, Domino will get this work done in fraction of a time and save you headaches and money…. The best alternative ( not a replacement ) for Domino is Dowelmax. I have used both and I am a hobbyist. The only inconvenience I found with Dowelmax is the screw holding the stock can get loose. The only inconvenience I found with Domino ( besides the price) is the dominos are too tight for dry test. And if you select the loose option, the mortise are too wide… this may be ok as it makes it easy to alight during glue up and the wide surface is enough for the glue strength. I still wanted the default tighter notices to be a shade wider. This way you do not need todo extra work of sanding dominos to marrow it down etc…
Dowelmax is still expensive, but the precision is amazing… I have built coffe table and desk using dowelmax
Great presentation sir! For those of us who don't have corporate sponsors and thousands of dollars to throw at woodworking, the dowel jig makes perfect sense. I actually own one of the beauties, and have used it many a times. Never have used the jig to create a loose tenon, but thanks to you, I now have the knowledge to do so!! Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us!
Most welcome.
If you are so inclined...
Plenty of router jigs online too..
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Awesome Video as always...thanks for info...The point of the dominoe is that it's faster and you can make many joints in little time (time is money), a good thing if your making a living selling your projects...I used to use doweling jigs (no mortise cut out) for that purpose which adds hours...The dominoe does pay for itself after a few good jobs...but its nice to see different ways to do things...happy wood working to all!
This can't be said enough. Domino + a few paying jobs and it's already paid for itself in time saved, unless you're content with working for around $3/hr. Undervaluing their time is something I see most woodworkers do time and time again to save a few bucks up front.
I still use a doweling jig, but a nicer one (dowelmax). It works on reference surfaces rather than center points like those junky "self centering" jigs.
Absolutely time is money. I've used dowels, chopped mortises by hand, drill press & dedicated hollow-chisel mortiser, and done a few using the method in Nick's video. The domino is the best result in the shortest time--at the highest cost in tooling. It's criminal what Festool charges for their machine and I'm sure there will be copies that carefully don't violate any patents available soon for 1/4 the price. Once the patent expires it'll be maybe $200 at Harbor Freight.
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good video but I almost always prefer dowels to dominos because of the extra effort in making the holes and dominos themselves. I also find joints with dowels to be more precise and the process is much faster. I can almost hand cut a mortise and tenon joint in the time it takes create a domino and cut the hole.
I agree with you for the most part, but loose tenons have their place in good craftsmanship. The amount of gluing surface surpasses what you can get with a dowel or a biscuit, and the joint is stronger for it.
@@WorkshopCompanion We can work out the exact surface offered by both joints: A domino's two rounded ends adds up to exactly one dowel. Circumference of a circle is 3.14x diameter, so the flat sides each have about the surface of a dowel; on balance a typical domino has the surface of roughly three dowels... Thus the loose tenon/domino has the same glue surface as three dowels BUT it has the cross-section of about six dowels, so should be harder to snap off I think?
@@SenselessUsername Impressive figuring. By the same logic, it should also be more resistant to racking stresses.
@@WorkshopCompanion I completely agree that loose tenons have a place but if I'm building something and just want a quick way to butt-join a couple pieces of wood together, using my dowel jig is usually the fastest.
@@SenselessUsername then a mortise and tenon would be superior even to that because it's squared corners offer a slight bit more gluing surface and the fit is usually tighter, resulting in easier clamping.
I've been indecisive about which way to go with joinery methods, jigs, etc... Been leaning toward dowel joinery and this method looks like not much more work for more meat in the joint. I bought a "drill saw" a ways back for, well because I buy a lot of tools. I wonder if this snazzy drill bit would help with this technique? Hmm...
Several folks who commented on this procedure recommended rotary tools that cut sideways such as end mills. While these produce a cleaner cut, they might also increase the width of the groove if you're not careful. If you going to use a drill saw or similar bit, I'd suggest doing the whole procedure on a drill press table where you can use a fence to help guide you.
Nick, this is a really nice quick way to do a diy domino. Hope you'll check out my Triton doweling joiner video and see we think about that-- would love to know if you've ever tried one of those joiners.
Nick, pretty slick with the hammer handling like a baton, too. I might need another video on learning that. Thank you for informative videos.😊
Most welcome.
I invested in rocklers beadlock system. So far, it’s been amazing. However. I had to invest in an entire system that cost a few bucks. But now I make my own tenons.
I need to invest in better clamps as they slide from time to time and I lose my mind.
However, had I watched this video before, I’d still recommend the beadlock system as it works every well, but it’d be nice to know I could have made tenons with things I already owned.
I really liked your folksy, no nonsense approach to making this time-proven joint. My only suggestion is to use a chisel toclear out the path between drill bit holes rather than the drill itself. That wy there'll be much less chance of overly misshaping the mortise. Again, this is a great video.
I bought a self centering jig for dowel and have been using it. Just wondering if dominos would be stronger than just putting more dowel pins. For the case you showed, I feel 2 dowel pins should have plenty strength. For connecting boards together, I can just put more pins. It takes more time but since I am doing for a hobby, it should be ok. I am seriously considering grizzly dowel jointer which is just 100 bucks. I need to check how stable that thing is.
Or just use dowels. Closely-spaced dowels have more glue area than floating tenons and are less work.
Well if you were to do thst the video would end as soon as you brought out the dowling jig. Its helpfull to people who want to learn to do these things and explore different types of joinery.
Reckon you could do a video on how to make a Domino machine on a budget?
If not, that sounds like a job for Matthias Wandel.
As usual Nick very informative and super helpful. A great cost savings, the only use I could see for the domino is if you are doing a lot of tenons and time is money?
Full disclosure -- I have zero experience with a domino joiner, I've only ever made loose tenons using this method. So I can't say how much time one could save with dedicated tooling. But it would have to be an enormous amount of time to justify the expenditure.
@@WorkshopCompanion It's not just time, the domino will be much more accurate as well. And it enables you use floating tenons where otherwise it would be too time consuming and too difficult. For example, cabinet boxes and drawer boxes.
You might think there's no point in using it for that, screws are just fine for cabinet boxes. But using the domino only takes a few extra minutes, and it makes your assembly so much easier since you don't need to fumble with clamps to get the box aligned while stapling/screwing it together.
I’ve been making dominos the old way for along time and I won’t buy a jointer because I still find it fun to make. I would rather spend my hard earned money elsewhere
More of a question than a comment, wouldnt the 2 dowels be as good as the loose tenion?
In many cases, yes. But dowels don't give you the ability to align the joint as you glue it up.
Couldn't this also be done with a router and a homemade jig?
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Certainly. You'd get a cleaner slot. But this might also increase the time invested since you would have to cut the slots in several passes.
Thank you for this video. It really brought a smile 😃.
If I used domino's...I would rather buy a Festool. That was just way to much work for me and would slow everything down way to much.
hm if i buy that jiggy , and make the whole i maybe only need to cut betweeen the hole with a small Router and i m i thinK ?
Had no idea you and your dog were south park figures.
Those jig are good I have one
I just saw Star M Japanese F-Style Anti-Burr Drill Bits on Izzy Swan's channel. It cuts at an angle like nobody's business. It would make short work of hogging out for the "domino"
But only in metric sizes. Nothing there for us fractionophiles.
Hansang Bae I used your technique to correct the miter slot on my jobsite saw. Works flawless now with my Incra miter gauge.👍
@@FlyinTrapezious Hey that's great to hear! Enjoy.
@@WorkshopCompanion Ah, right. WoodOwl's OverDrive bores out holes like crazy so that might help. Although it may not do the angular cuts like the Anti-Burr bits. Again, thanks for the entertaining and informative vidoes
If you only have a few loose tenon joints to do, this method is fine. If you have a big project that will require dozens of joints or more, it's worth taking the time to build a custom jig to cut the mortises with a router. Building your own jigs is not expensive because in most cases they can be built from offcuts and simple hardware.
As for the tenons, no jig is required. Those can be ripped on a tablesaw from lengths of hardwood stock, rounded over with a router and cut to length with a cross-cut sled. Or you can go the easy way and purchase them pre-cut: those have the advantage of having been dried to a very low humidity rate (like dowels) and therefore expand in the mortise when exposed to the moisture content of the wood glue thus making the joint even stronger. Those are inexpensive (as long as you stay away from the F brand tenons).
Hoping someone with more experience can help me with a dowel issue. Am putting a softwood dowel into a 9cm hole (10mm dia). the hole and the dowel are VERY close in size. Dowel enters the hole and passes in with a slight coating of Titebond 2 without issue up until about 30mm in, after which it starts to build up friction requiring more hammering force to keep pushing it in deeper, to the point where the dowel wood is destroyed before it can pass fully through the 9cm hole (its passing through a half lap of Hinoki, or Japanese Cypress, which is quite soft). I have considered sanding lightly hte dowels, or perhaps adding a lubricant like vasseline, but am concerned the petrolium product will never evaporate and will always be present, preventing the dowel from performing the intended job of making the joint not move. Does anyone else have any suggestions how to reliably put dowels thru 9 cm holes that I havent considered? Perhaps using a harder dowel wood?
You should probably take this question to an actual woodworking forum, such as reddit/woodworking; this is not the place for off-topic questions. However, what is probably happening is that you are coating a 10 mm diameter dowel with a water-based glue and then trying to pass it through a 10 mm diameter hole. The water in the glue causes the dowel wood to swell slightly so that the dowel has to be pressed in place. The further the dowel goes into the hole, the more wood surface it contacts and the resistance builds until the pressure required to advance the dowel destroys it. There are two things I can think of to do. (1) Use a harder dowel. At 9 cm long, you might want use steel instead of wood. Press a 8.5 cm-long steel rod into the hole, then cap both ends with 2.5 mm-long wooden dowels so the assembly looks like you used a long wooden dowel. (2) Use an adjustable reamer to ream the hole to a 10.1 or 10.2 mm diameter. You'll have do some experimenting, but you should be able to find a diameter that will allow you to press the glue-covered dowel through the hole with destroying it.
I've often thought there must be a way of using a jig like this for dominoes and you have just clarified exactly what I suspected, there is. Makes me think is there a way of making that jig move wile clamped like a sliding section
Why all this effort when multiple dowels will give you the same joint strength? Classic case of unnecessarily making things complicated….
I don't think that Domino is a sexy name... I prefer Sharon, Jessica, Julia... 😄
First video I’ve seen of this guy and I love him so much already
I think it's possible to make a router jig with mostly plywood that would just hog the joint out really fast and precise. I can't wait for the patent to expire.
wait until you hear about house prices...$1500 isn't getting you even a down payment on a house!
Great video, well done 👍
Thanks.
This is great for the hobbiest, but if your in a shop or in the field trying to make money, I’d buy that domino in a second. No matter the cost, time is the most expensive thing out there. Domino takes seconds to operate and move on to the next. This is a great way though if you don’t have a domino. However, why not do an actual mortise and tenon instead at this point?
That's not called a "Domino joint."
It's a *Loose Tenion* and has been around for hundreds of years.
I'm not a domino hater. I own 3 that I use on job sites. But the domino is just a convenient tool to make a mortise for a loose tenion.
awesome i might try this, you're videos are a joy to watch i really like the south park character of yourself for the intro and outro.
Thanks. Those wonderful animations are done in the Ukraine!
By the way, as an affianado of classical lute music, I love listening to Dowling jigs! (Sorry.)
Why is this better than using dowels?
Additional gluing surface, ability to make small adjustments in alignment.
@@WorkshopCompanion the gluing surface would be almost identical but I hear you about the micro adjustments. That makes sense
@@misterscottintheway The gluing surface is dependent on the distance between the end holes. If that distance is more than 1.6 the diameter of the dowels (center to center), the gluing surface will be greater than that of the dowels. But the effectiveness of that increased gluing surface is reduced by making the joint sloppy enough to accommodate small adjustments. It all comes down to what you prefer.
@@WorkshopCompanion thanks!
perfect, and now check the quality and something that is even more important - time! With Domino it will take 4 secs.
Tests have shown that dominoes aren't much stronger than dowels. I'd just use the dowels.
Well I bought one of those self centering jigs and I am so pleased that I did. I could have used one years ago. I haven't yet tried the loose tenon with it, but I will get around to. Thanks once again.
Glad to have been of help.
Back in my day, men had outies, and women had innies. Of course, this was back when the new fangled domino joint was called joint loose tenon joint.
love it
I’ve been considering getting a doweling jig for quite a while. Thanks
Most welcome. Get a good one -- see our recommendation in the description.
You win, I subscribed! BTW Merry Christmas.
It would make sense to make multiple long pieces with a router and cut them to individual tenons so you are not making a tenon for each joint.
Rather than rounding the insert after cutting to length, it seems more efficient to round a long piece, then cut to length. Much easier to use a router - better yet, a router in a router table! - on long pieces.
Saw someone pull the stock for the domino through a vice grip to give it texture.
You're like the Bob Ross of woodworking and I love it. Could I just have made the joint with 3 dowels instead? Always found the domino to be overcomplicating for very little benefit.
How much stronger would a loose tenon joint be compared to two dowels? I mean, this is extra work and from the outside it doesn't show. What does that extra work buy me?
The ability to adjust the relative position of the parts as you glue up.
@@WorkshopCompanion Good point, thanks.
In terms of strength are dowels and loose m&t similar?
@@audetnicolas No. In our video "Pocket Holes Overexplained" we did an informal strength test comparing dowels, biscuits, loose tenons, traditional mortise-and-tenon, pocket holes, and nothing at all. The dowels won. See th-cam.com/video/OmMN_XKJ4nc/w-d-xo.html .
@@WorkshopCompanion That is a very surprising result. Thanks!
The Domino joint is quicker to make, has built in room for error, and is stronger.
Liked that shortcut to domino joints.
Like this teaching method!!!
Nice. But why not just use the 2 dowels and save a lot of gaffing about just to have a handmade domino shaped plug ? ;)
Great video. Thanks
I got alittle too much of a kick out of the hammer twirl... me in the garage after injured from a hammer to the face
Great dowel joinery!!!!!
Thanks. You're the best.
Do you need to make the domino? Can't you just purchase them and use those?
Love it! Or just use a ruler! Hah
I built my first piece of furniture, a red oak KS bed from rough cut kiln dried lumber, lumber costs just $360 and the money I saved paid for the tools; 13” planer, table saw, routers, track saw, tile saw for inset roof slates.
I plunge cut mortices using a template made from 1/2” ply, cut free tenons using roundover bit, it looks awesome and I think it would support the weight of a pickup truck 😂
I mean you can always replace money with talent and time but what fun would that be.
Thank you for this video. I've watched it with a particular interest. I have a similar kind of dowel jig and was thinking about a similar way of making a domino joint. No problem at all to achieve that. I have only one concern: why would I bother to make an additional effort? What would be the benefit compared to a pair of dowels (or, say, 3 dowels)? Is it only the looseness helping to adjust the joint before clamping? Can that looseness compromise the stability of construction? Thank you!