It's also the double standard with the favortism that annoys me. In Eleven era, Wonyoung wore like a big fluffy skirt, and everyone cried favortism. But then Gaeul wore an even bigger more noticable skirt in Love Dive era, standing out from the rest of the members, and she got praise. Gaeul deserved the praise, Wonyoung didn't deserve the hate.
NOW THE hypocrites DIVES AND KPOP STANS SAID THIS IS NORMAL WONYOUNG GET LEAST PROMOTION since 2023 BECAUSE SHE IS THE MOST popular . BUT she is mismanaged by her company and didnt get times to showcase her talents more like she write many bsides i remember she said she want trying other activities no only fashion .
@@lavienrosewon8811 IKR!!!! people say "pretty privilege" but this is sounding a lot more like pretty disadvantages to me. wonyoung is so fvcking strong and im so proud of her for being able to handle these situations with such grace and not giving the poor haters her energy. she knows they're all just fkn miserable and seeing her happy, successful, pretty and everything they want to be just makes them more miserable. so she doesn't give in to the hate and keeps shining more and making the haters madder with her success. literal icon
i think a big reason why people hate Wonyoung is because instead of making herself smaller and keeping her head down in shame after whatever "scandal" or controversy she ends up in (like how they previously did to other female idols), she instead takes up space. She poses, winks, smiles and that irritates people to no bounds. Also kpop stans love to feel like a hero to their idols, for example an idol could open up about their insecurities and the fans would rush to tell them how beautiful or talented they are, and that's just not the case with Wonyoung. She's self-assured and confident, and there's nothing that people hate more than a beautiful woman knowing her worth. (this is not to say that the insecure idols are at fault in any way.) It all boils down to jealousy and kpop stans' need for a punching bag.
Wonyoung speak up she was sad sometime she have not childhood because she debuted at 14 yo in izone during izone tho. Recently Wonyoung speak up about hyperscrutization toward female idols in kpop industry and the people critized the female much in media and industry. SHE CREATED MINDSET LUCKY VICKY ABOUT POSITIVE MINSET AND GONE DARK THOUGHTS IN KOREA ALSO SHE IS STILL mature because she reveal she want improved herself and skills
Perfect you couldn't have articulated it better that's what I have been wanting to say "there is nothing k-pop Stans hate more than an self-assured idol knowing their worth and Just not seeking validation from public
this is really interesting! A lot of kpop fans want power and control over their idols as a way to feel significant. A lot of entitled behaviour comes from these desires aren’t acknowledged in a constructive way. Indeed, it’s like Wonyoung is impervious based on her presentation, which brings to light these questions of personal agency.
To this day, I will never understand the Jang Wonyoung Hate. When she was in IZ*ONE, she didn't get hate but now that she is in IVE, she gets hate now?
Wony get hate by international fans during final pd48 for win over sakura. Wonyoung sue sojang aka youtuber cyberbullying her since debut ive .Lucky she win lawsuit against TH-camr
5:34 as a wonyoungism creator , I absolutely hate all the toxic accounts that promote the unhealthy lifestyle , wonyoungism is based on having a positive and healthy mindset and lifestyle , but all the toxic creators are causing trouble:(
go girl embrace your own content and keep creating! The best way is to show the positive message because people often aren’t familiar with it unfortunately and when situations are nuanced, it’s easy to latch onto the first negative impression you get 😞
Yesss I agree! As a wonyoungism follower, my life has changed for the better after I discovered and joined wonyoungism❣️I think this movement is highly misunderstood because of the toxic videos. Because if you look at the definitions of wonyoungism, it just means to become the best version of yourself and take good care of yourself - not forcing yourself to lose a bunch of weights or waking up super early.
ahhh i have many reasons why people have such a hate-boner for wonyoung 1) _she is indisputably the it-girl of the 4th gen._ she is the person who has the highest demand for cfs. no ifs ands or buts. and for people who enjoy kpop more like a sport rather than an artform, she is the reason their fave 'lost'. 2) _she is unapologetically tall_ and talks about how she likes it. BUT, she also doesn't fluff up her height so when she's in the flattest flats known to man standing next to a bg member who clearly has insoles and is /still visibly shorter than her, rather than accepting that the company lied their head off about bg member's height, they neg wonyoung about her height claiming that 'she's lying' lol 3) _her 'fake' voice._ and damn i find this one fascinating. it's almost like haters are trying to masculinize her as a tall woman with a deep voice as an insult??? like??? what?!?!?!? yeah she has a deeper voice when she uses a different inflection, and what of it? SO many idols do it as well but people usually blame the company for forcing it to be hidden or praise the duality the idol possesses. but wonyo? nahh she clearly is doing it to deceive, she's doing it to be a pick-me. yawn. 4) _she is proactive with protecting her privacy, both mental and social._ my theory on this one is that it angers people that she is everywhere in terms of her image but is private about her life which doesn't allow haters to exploit her they way they can with other idols -there's nothing wrong with being more open with fans btw, i'm just saying that being private shouldn't be vilified either- she doesn't really disclose her friendships, and she has a very strong mental barrier. this enrages people who participate in hate trains bc that means she doesn't give them any attention 5) _she presents hyper femininely_ i think this is something that goes beyond just kpop, but society as a whole is largely unaccepting of extreme forms of gender presentation, regardless of if it aligned with the one assigned at birth or not. on top of that, throw in someone who is assertive, confident and ambitious, all traits that are positively associated with masculinity, in that hyper femme presentation and suddenly all of those good traits take on a negative light. assertiveness becomes rudeness, confidence becomes princess syndrome, and ambition becomes selfishness.
Holy SHI- This right here, is THE perfect comment. I'm speechless. You articulated EVERYTHING really well and even added some points I didn't even THINK of! Thank you so much for taking your time writing this out as it basically sums up most reasons. Frankly, I'm still in shock for how on the nose this comment is
to add to the hyperfeminine thing, though i do agree that might add to it, i dont think its just that, it's because she's hyperfeminine AND, like u said, very confident, nobody's fool. this breaks the stereotype, breaks the fantasy
The amount of people who don't know that she is 19 is actually kind of scary. Like they were holding her standards like she was a full-grown adult. The fact that so many people were harassing a child or a barely legal adult is crazy. And what makes it worse is that they didn't even know that they were dragging someone so young. And even if she was an adult no one deserves to be dragged like that. Choose only one year older than me but the way me and her would be treated I know would be completely different. I still would be treated as a young person but she would be treated as if she was 25. Not a teenager who is about to enter her early twenties who is still learning and is still growing into her own self. The fact that a teenager is a role model to so many people makes me anxious for her because you're at that point where you're finding your self on top of having so many eyes on you. Wonyoung is a beautiful person. And she has an adorable face okay she may be older than me but she's adorable. People tend to criticize her without realizing that she is so young and she is still developing her skills. And she has improved impeccably. She makes me feel prettier every time she's confident on screen. I'm not the biggest fan of Ive not because I dislike them because I'm exploring so many other groups of discographies at the moment that these girls have to wait a bit but let me just tell you I think they have some of the best discography in the 4th gen.
True, it's often visuals or female idols who suit the Korean beauty standards and the "male gaze" (Wonyoung, Yuna, Irene, Karina etc.), that's why so many female kpop stans feel threatened by them. The jealousy and internalized misogyny is HUGE in the kpop community.
About the "Wonyoung going to the centre" thing, another reason is that idols are drilled into standing in a certain lineup. I remember Mamamoo saying that it feels really unnatural when they're not stood in their usual formation during photos. It's probably just muscle memory at this point for Wonyoung to go to the centre when group photos are happening because she has likely done it for tens or hundreds of hours before IVE even debuted. Also people getting up in arms about an idol eating cutely, like... even if she is doing it deliberately (which she obviously was for the pizza ad, being PROMOTIONAL), is it hurting you? Like, maybe touch grass if you're getting that wound up about it.
As wonyoung stan i remember article write wonyoung said she was hurt mentally by sojang defamation also this is evil edits by popular youtuber created defamed videos toward celebrities in korea. Lucky wonyoung win lawsuit against TH-camr sojang. I worried if wonyoung get great theraphy or hiatus for keep her better
Hmm... I remember that being my biggest concern as well and while it still is, I'm a bit calm due to some of these reasons: Her mindset. If you watch her interviews, you can tell what her mindset is. She's extremely self assured and has a motto, 'If I haven't done something wrong then it won't affect me'. This means she WILL acknowledge if she did something wrong but if she's being falsely accused, then she will stand her ground and not let it affect her. This ties into the fact that she does NOT buckle by the hate. Due to such massive amounts of hate, many idols (especially Yuna. I feel so bad for her. You could really notice it...) get quieter, become visibly unsure and insecure (and I find that extremely sad but also concerned for people's mental health).but not Wony. She still walks with her head up, posing, winking and being her idol self. This makes haters SEETH. Now onto the final reason. Her personality is like that. Her motto, 'You are You and I am me'. Her mindset is like this. She's a strong minded person and you can tell, even if we don't know her off camera!Plus, she's quite known for being chronically offline as well so it helps her not see the braindead hate as well.
Plus, she works EXTREMELY hard with back to back schedules, heck, IVE as a whole. However, Wony has an insane amount of individual schedules on top! Then still keeping professional. Weaker willed people would've fallen. Not saying the insane schedule is a good thing (which it 1000% ISN'T) but you can tell her will power. Yes, even if she says she's fine and all, she definitely does have THOSE days for sure. Yes, I still worry about her but I also do about the other members'. Her's even more with the schedule, hate and overall attention but I do believe she's incredibly strong minded. She also has strong support be it her members, staff or especially her mom! So while yes, it is quite worrying at times, I believe she's already past the worst and she's very strong willed so I'll put trust it'll be fine rather than add more worrying over her
people hate anyone who stands out, we've seen it with so many idols - they hated goo hara for having lunches with men and called her boy-obsessed because other female idols wouldn't have lunches with male idols so it was shocking to the public, they now hate ahyeon from babymonster because her dancing was more sharp from her other group members and she would sing and rap really confidently (the "overperforming" scandal) so now ahyeon has toned down her performance way more in order not to stand out. people are never happy when someone stands out because they are a "pick me", which honestly kills creativity and if I were an idol getting such hate for the most normal things I would literally quit cuz wtf people
also obv it's misogyny - people hate successful women and will do anything to find any sort of flaw in them. if all of these things that people hate women for were done by a man, they would have never been treated like this. first example: soojin from gidle got kicked out from the group (also kim garam) for alleged accusations that the idol allegedly did in school - female idol gets kicked out from the group and possibly blacklisted from the industry even after disproving the allegations (on her own because the company doesn't want to deal with it). lucas from nct has allegations made against him, that he did something bad as an adult, the company puts him on hiatus and quietly kicks him out of the group AND THEN DEBUTS HIM AS A SOLOIST. I understand that a new debut would usually be made only if the idol agreed, so soojin (and garam) probably didn't want to debut under the company that got rid of her, but the fact that lucas still has so many fans even after NOT DISPROVING the allegations (he said he was sorry for the situation, which could refer to the allegations or the fact that the fans had to go through his hiatus), either way, his company welcomes him back with open arms, along with many fans. plus, let's not forget that so many idol criminals that were part of the burning sun scandal are trying to return to the industry and they still have many fans who support them and will turn a blind eye for something that THEY HAD BEEN CONVICTED FOR. it's like if a man makes a mistake, it's not a mistake just a happy accident, if a woman makes a mistake, burn her at the stake
As a Wonyoung supporter since produce Wonyoung has always been the center of hate by k-pop stans it started way back when Wonyoung was announced as the center of IZ*ONE Sakura fans were livid over the fact that someone won against their fave and started saying Wonyoung didn’t deserve her place when she rightfully did deserve it she CONSISTENTLY ranked high during the whole show and was arguably the most popular contestant alongside Kkura,Yujin and Gaeun and then people started saying Wonyoung was an attention seeker because she jokingly said that Yujin didn’t shower yes it was misplaced but she was only 14 and didn’t deserve the hate and there was also the "Wonyoung pushed Sakura" thing and it was debunked Sakura just happened to move at the same time Wonyoung adjusted her skirt
as a wonyoung stan i also noticed another reason she gets unnecessary hate is that she doesn’t let the hate affect her and make herself smaller at least from what we’ve seen and it pisses people off (one of the things i like about her).
This first time I’ve seen her, I loved her. She stood out to me. She’s like a princess. Reminds me a lot of another K-Celebrity I like, Song Jia. They’re both so hated despite being so elegant and I’m convinced it’s jealously, insecurity and projections on the audience’s part. That’s it.
wonyoungism isnt only looking like wonyoung or doing things like her, it also includes the "it girl" mindset, which embraces confidence and the skill to make the best decisions for yourself.
Most people would say facts can only be correct or incorrect, and opinions (being subjective) cannot be correct or incorrect. Not liking Wonyong is a rare example of an incorrect opinion lol
I’ve had literal arguments in the comments with people who say that wonyoung is ‘influencing young kids to have Ed’s’, Which number 1 as you said she has never encouraged dieting culture nor has she talked about any diets that she has possibly gone on. At the end of the day if these kids do end up with eating disorders surely their parents should notice that their kid isn’t eating or doing dangerous diets.
about 2:31 - i remember in love dive when gaeul wore something that made her stand out, everyone praised it and told her how pretty she was while wonyoung got hated for it..
Wonyoung said she hzve fast metabolism and was known biggest eater with hyewon in izone also i think she lost weight with stress from hate and busy schedules in debut ive. She is still foodie and know research restaurants about beefz
She actually did get a bunch of hate during Izone. Mainly the whole "Sakura should have been P1 it's rigged" and the "Wonyoung pushed Sakura" debacle. But definitely no where near the amount of hates she gets now. I think a big reason for this change is because she's "too perfect" now or no longer as "goofy" as she was in Izone. Which is so dumb because 1. She's older so of course she's going to act more mature, 2. With the amount of hate she gets that perfect persona is the only thing shielding her and 3. Literally watch any Ive variety she's the sweetest and still has that top tier humour. Some people just need to get a life .....
You can mentioned all achived wonyoung did like win lawsuit against TH-camr sojang defamed many koreans celebrities and write a song about hyperscrutization toward female idols in kpop industry and she wanted to write about the strength of women. She created lucky vicky as mindset for stay positive minds and gone dark thoughts in korea . SHE said she want improved herself and read philosopher books about the life .
Teenagers likes to trash on anything they cannot achieve, a lot of young girls displaying rude behavior towards people with pretty privilege can be shown as an example. Wonyoung is a successful idol who also happened to be the epitome of Korean beauty standard, which gave her even more opportunities and increased her success further. Now imagine you are a teenager who can be easily influenced, and you see an idol with a perfect career and perfect image. It is clear that you won't be able to as successful as or beautiful as her no matter what. So what will you do? You will either try to be like that perfect idol as possible which can be shown as the reason for whole Wonyoungism trend. Or you will start to hate that idol and try to cling on and point the finger to their every "flaw" so you can validate yourself.
It’s obvious why most people hate on won’t it’s because she’s pretty and successful we’ve seen this type of thing has happened before to multiple women in different music industry’s but still in the music industry people usually hate on the people who are doing better then us it’s normal honestly to be jealous. We can’t always be happy for everything and everyone but not hating but I feel like most hate is coming from people younger and don’t know better
Wonyoung is the female version of Eunwoo. She has the biggest fanbase, the most brand deals and gets the most exposer in her group. That brings out the jelousy of people and turn them into haters. Haters are usually more obessed with the idol that hate on than the fans. They look for everything that could be a mistake, an act of favorism etc. I didnt like the way she acted in front of senior idols, because it was disrespectul in a culture where is a high sigh of respectfull behavior. Its not that I hate her for that its just something I was a little irriteded by especialy as someone who ults ASTRO who still do a 90° bow to their seniors when they are in buisness since 2016. However hating on her for how she ate the strawberry? Like come on.
As a boy group fan and as a sunghoon biased i literally can't understand how people got angry with her performing butter with sunghoon she was just doing her JOB!!!
(Tw Ed talk) I just want to tell people who are younger and this is coming from a teen who has been both heavy and unhealthy thin please don’t starve or do anything that will “make” you drop weight fast just because of some idols they are adults and are dancing and training all the time it’s still not good if they are underweight but you are still a child you need nutritions I have an 3D i don’t want anyone to feel sorry I just want to warn everyone to not make mistakes like me because it can genuinely hurt you and make you feel worse if someone in your life is making you feel bad about your weight cut them off, talk to a parent or a counsellor if you can please remember your not alone ur gorgeous and we love you🩷
Honestly, it makes me a little sad to see all the hate Wonyoung receives for things that are not her fault (like her company's supposed favoritism towards her) or videos taken out of context. She is a kind, hard-working girl and suffered a lot to get where she is. I think she deserves all the fame and love she gets 🤍
Can we talk about fans who think they have the audacity to comment on an idols body? Like it’s so fucking condescending when they make stupid videos being “sad” or “pitying” her, like “omg guys she’s so skinny, she’s so unhealthy I feel so bad for her 🥺🥺🥺🥺”. LIKE CALLING IT OUT AND MAKING HARMFUL VIDOES LIKE THESE ARE SO TOXIC. They think they are genuinely “helping” the ideas by commenting all these negative things and think they are helping her. As if they knew everything in her life. It’s disturbing
Personally, my theory for the Wonyoung hate is that coupled with the fact that she is talented, beautiful, extremely rich - she simple just lets herself be her authentic self. I've seen this alot in real life where sometimes people restrict themselves to what they "should be" so when they see someone who goes beyond that limit they hold for themelves and they see someone being their authentic selves, it triggers them. They hate it because they're jealous of how she is and how she can let herself just be free. I had a friend once that was envious of Wonyoung and hated her because she was so pretty and she was the IT girl. She would tell me how her long-distance friend and her would call each other and hate wonyoung together... and there's wasn't any shame to it. That same friend also gave me a lot of pushback because I changed quite a bit from my high school self. I was quite rough and tough, impulsive and rude and immature when I was 15-17 (duh!) but when I became 18/19, something extremely big happened and I didn't like the way I was anymore. So I changed myself to fit more to what I do like and that created a lot of pushback from this person because she couldn’t believe I wasn’t the same. And moreover, she would keep trying to neg me and trigger me by bringing up the way I used to be and how I said something one time when I was younger. She was also very rude to me and would hold things over my head, it was toxic for me because she essentially did not celebrate my growth and that I was healing from my childhood trauma and letting me be free. I can't chalk it off to anything but envy that I changed and she was still the same. I think the same applies to her relationship with Wonyoung - all haters relationship with Wonyoung. She represents to them something they "can never achieve" while idol life is not ideal, her grace and elegance is very much so achievable and should be inspiring to others. but they're the ones restricting themselves.
Tbh it's because of the initial hate that I started to pay attention to her. I watched all of P48 as it was airing but she never caught my eye. Seeing her get centre in the final over Sakura was a suprise. During izone I still wasn't paying much attention to her and found out a whole year later that she redebuted in IVE. As I've paid more attention she really is one of the few idols in the current gen that takes their job seriously. The only thing I disagree with is that earlier in IVEs schedules she really did stand out stylist wise so I can see where the favouritism comments came from.
I also think they switched up on her so fast, is because when she was in IZ*ONE she obviously got Center, and got #1 in Produce just at 14 years old, and was extremely pretty and popular. As soon as she redebuted into IVE, with all these ridicioulous scandals they created her to be a villain, was an exuse to let out the jealousy they felt for her back when she was in IZ*ONE.
I’d say in addition to all the reasons you mentioned, one of the biggest reasons why she’s got a target on her back ever since she redebuted in IVE is because IVE is a lot more mainstream than IZ*ONE was. And you know… bigger audience means you get exposed to more toxic people. I just don’t understand those people.
I actually don't mind her; she makes me neither hot nor cold. I think that she's talented and pretty, but nothing else, because I don't know her personally😐
This is Kpop's finest example of how insecure the community is. I absolutely LOVE Wonyoung not only for her personality but mostly because of her aura and confidence. She is the best example of a person who learned self-love. Think about it, she debuted at 14 years old in such a toxic industry- and there's no doubt just like other idols, she went through a lot at such a young age, but many are choosing to target her. Why so? Projection. According to psychology, projection is when a person's inner emotions are placed onto another source as a defense mechanism, and within the community, this is SUPER common. Because of how toxic beauty standards have become today, many stans who are often younger and unfortunately still in their years of development are being influenced into hating themselves because they don't look or act like the people on their screen. Wonyoung's confidence as the woman she is APPEALS to people, and stans are insecure because she learned to be that best version of herself that those stans haven't become themselves. They're afraid to see someone else happy because they aren't happy with themselves. I wish more people continue to recognize Wonyoung as an example to become more proud of ourselves and to treat ourselves right. Btw Natasha- Thank you for this video! I enjoy your commentaries a lot, and I hope you're well! Take care everyone💞
wonyoung is actually my favorite ive member (i won't say bias bc i don't stan bc i do support the group) i'm never gonna be able to fathom that ppl are so jealous of her/feel so threatened by her that she can't even eat a strawberry in peace like...if she ate it normally she'd probably get hate for that too that's how stupid her haters are
I haven't got a time to check them out yet, but seeing Strawberrygate in close up, I understand she would do this. I WOULD TOO IF I ATE THAT BIG OF A STRAWBERRY. (Also, IDIDNTKNOWSHEWASSOCUTE)
I never got into izone, so that was pretty interesting to watch from the outside as they disbanded and redebuts started coming out. IVE ended up being my favorite to come out of that, but the first member to catch my eye was Liz. The blonde hair looked so stunning on her and her voice is so beautiful. I didnt really notice Wonyoung and I was confused why everyone was talking about her, but getting familiar with the group, shes right behind Liz in line for my heart. Her voice is so beautiful, she is so ridiculously beautiful, and shes amazing at everything she does... no wonder all the envious weirdos are obsessed with her
4:39, she meant like in the ED way cause in korea, which means weight 47kg at 5'8 eating an egg and yogurt cup with fruit for breakfast. Look at korean diet vlogs
2:04 i do think they kinda look like backup dancers on this stage though, because the backup dancers also have white accents. i think the hate train is really unecessary though
I like Wonyoung, she hasn’t really done anything for me to dislike about her. Majority of the posts I see of her are either edited or taken out of context. Very rarely will I agree with the critiques. I hate hate trains in general, because if you look at some peoples accounts they’re either following that idol/group or admits they joined the hate train to not get attacked.
ultimately it just comes down to jealousy, everytime it's just jealousy whether it be jealousy over her stunning visuals, jealousy over her favouritism, or jealousy over her interactions with other idols. teenage through to young adult years are the most jealous years in our lives as we are so consumed with other people's opinions and material things that whenever we see anyone (e.g. wonyoung) with something we want (e.g. looks, talent, male attention) we get angry over the fact that it isn't us. this is why people are finding any excuse to hate on her because they know that their hatred rooted in jealousy is unreasonable so they desperately try to find any excuse to make their hatred rational and they try their hardest to make wonyoung seem like a bad person solely so they can feel better about themselves. little do they know, wonyoung is never gonna be brought down and all that they're doing is making their own lives miserable by centering their lives and thoughts around their hatred and jealousy.
I think she is loosing weight because of stress, some people gain weight during stress periods, but in my case, I start loosing a lot of weight and it’s difficult to gain it back. Also stress makes me fell dizzy so I am less hungry
I don't know anything about Wonyoung nor do I listen to the group she is in, but no 19 year olds who is barely legal deserved to be put through all of that. All she is trying to do is make a living through her dreams. How hard is it for people to see her as a human? She deserves so much peace. She has been through so much to being a victim of misogyny, sexual fetishism, and mob mentality.
I only know a few IVE songs, Wonyoung seems sweet if anything. I think that people often speak negatively because of "wonyoungism" trends but Wonyoung didn't have anything to do with the trend. I see comments about her weight and as someone diagnosed with an ED I just feel so sad. Whether she has a problem or not the comments aren't helping her. I have seen videos commenting on it and picking apart everything she says and from what I've seen she never actively promoted dieting of any kind. I think she even advised people not to. I genuinely feel bad for her. I feel like she is getting the same hate Jennie used to get and as a Blink I saw how messy it was. Wonyoung herself doesn't control stage outfits, it's the stylist/company. That said, I don't feel like having her in outfits that fuel the favoritism allegations are helpful to Wonyoung. I think the company should do a better job at handling her hate comments. YG already did that to Jennie and I just hope history doesn't repeat itself.
Those videos... The ones that pick apart EVERY LITTLE THING. Whether or not she has ED, it felt so disgusting when those videos popped up on my feed. Picking apart EVERYTHING, be it the size of her legs are the size of other people's arms, her ribs, pointing out her arms and all was just so insane to me. They treated her as an object, picking apart like she's some sort of doll or something I found that extremely uncomfortable and even disgusting. You know what the worst part it, at it's peak (around debut, Love Dove and After Like era), she wasn't even an adult. What makes it even more personal to me now is... I'm her age from when she was getting attacked like that. I'm not entirely insecure about my weight but definitely not secure, especially since I'm overweight with a culture that makes it normal to point such things out. Close family hurts but overtime it doesn't affect me, however, having HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS people pick me apart like that... Sh*t, I can't even imagine...
Her outfits, body, everything is controlled by her company in the most part!! Can people just handle her being beautiful and successful without hating! If ur gonna hate on anyone hate on the company.
wonyoung is just soo pretty that ppl started getting jealous of her and just overreacting on everything she does and tbh the wonyoungism thing isn't that bad I started doing it when I was at the lowest point of my life and I treated her as an idol and took inspo from her to be a better person (she is the best) and the strawberry she ate tbh it is that big that u can eat with two hands and tbh male idols don't get the same hate as female idols ever
I confess... I have been a wonyoung disliker. tbh I'm not much involved in scandals and wider fandom, so I've had no part in any hate trains, and I think that's a terrible thing to bash an idol so widely. but I was a big fan of iz*one, and especially as someone who values an idol's vocals very highly, over visuals/general audience appeal, I had some... reservations about the group's lineup (even before it was revealed to be rigged). I disliked wonyoung for taking first place when she was 1. very young at the time and 2. was quite vocally underdeveloped especially compared to other members in the group (and I just personally really didn't like her high pitched, nasal tone). I think survival shows often end up breeding resentment like that, because there's only so many spots in a group and who you think are the "best" contestants won't always get in. at this point I don't pay much attention to wonyoung anymore, but I know she's worked incredibly hard and improved since then, she absolutely deserves the positive attention she receives and her position as center/face of ive.
it’s good old fashioned jealousy. they know they’ll never have an ounce of wonyoungs beauty and success and love so they pounce on any slight opportunity to try and bring her down but it just makes them look stupid and shows the hate in their hearts. with negative souls like that the could never even touch wonyoung. she’s such a ray of sunshine and positivity that her detractors cannot STAND. they hate that everything they throw at her just bounces off
Yeah, I don't blame Wonyoung for it at all but I do think it was a weird decision on the part of the stylists. No other member has *that much* white in their outfit, and I think especially with all the other members having black tops, it really brings focus to Wonyoung because she is the exception. If another member had a more white-heavy (or 50/50) outfit, I think it wouldn't look as imbalanced.
I really luv the way u see wonyoung as an idol I've never seen a girl talk abt wonyoung that way i luv the defense u give her and i actually luv izone i stan le sserafim as an ult group i rlly luv ive and bias wonyoung i stan yena i respect all the other members in izone btw i rlly luv ur kpop vids❤️❤️
i stan enhypen and ive it pisses me off when engenes try to call wonyoung a pick me because shes friends w sunghoon like idols are friends with eachother and it doesnt mean theyre dating and if they are, what does it mean to you? you were never gonna date your favourite male idol and you should stop acting like you own them. (i miss jangkku interactions)
couldn't agree more with 6:15 honestly, how weird does one have to be to hate on another individual for singing and dancing with another person? I've always found jealous K-pop stans weird. I also don't get the logic they go by. Because leaving malicious comments on Wonyoung's posts isn't gonna make Sunghoon choose them 😭
We dont forget wonyoung win lawsuit against TH-camr sojang aka youtuber cyberbullying bts,aespa and ive ...wonyoung created popular mindset about positif mindset in korea.This is called lucky vicky
Honestly, I think people feel threatened by Wonyoung. When she debuted in IVE, she got way more prettier and popular because she was a former IZ*ONE member, but now that she’s so popular now, people think that she doesn’t deserve her popularity and fame, because she wasn’t as “self-made” as the other members. They loved wonyoung in iz*one when she was a rookie and maknae, but now that she’s in IVE, she’s now a professional, which wasn’t the reason most wonyoung post-IVE stans liked her, and they felt threatened by new wonyoung stans, so to stand out, they started hating on her
She's pretty, young, famous and rich. Can dance and sing ok/well. People don't believe that someone can have all of this and not being a terrible person, like, she "need to" have some defect, and people go crazy looking for this in everything she does. Also, her image is everywhere, so I think people get sick of this, or salt because they want someone else in her spot. Basically, people can't deal with young woman being successful
what i find so funny is that there are american, overall just international (anything but east asian) fans trying to tell her how to bow properly. i am a Korean. born and raised in Busan. i currently live in america, but i am still korean. i can tell you, the way she bowed was completely fine. there was NOTHING wrong with the way that she bowed. the incident i am referring to is where she bowed to sakura and got hate for not bowing enough. you are AMERICAN and telling her how to bow?! that is exactly how i bow to my friends that i haven’t seen in a while when i visit korea. sakura and wonyoung haven’t seen each other (or don’t see each other much) in a while. i completely understand why she bowed like that but what i dont understand is how people forced hate on her
That one short : "my brother rates ive members" Where "he" gave everyone a decent rate except wony because "She looked plastic and fake" 🤨 Yeah...sure she is plastic as if others hadn't had some stuff done. And the truth is I don't even think it's the brother. This short channel just made that shit up just to target wony. There is no way you would call other 8 or 9 out of ten but give only wonyoung a 3. At least don't make it obvious 🤡 Edit: i also found out that this "brother" didn't rank leeseo cause she's too young. What a respectful "bro" right? But still calling wony a fake. 🤡
I have to agree that Wonyoung is overrated, but that doesn’t mean she is a bad idol. she is a good dancer, good singer, good rapper, and she has above average visuals. i think Wonyoung is amazing and very deserving of her position but pretty privilege also plays a role in her popularity. (my opinion, obviously she’s still amazing and this isn’t meant to be any hate to her.)
@@Verowinday777 it’s just my opinion, i’m not saying she isn’t talented but i am saying fans (NOT HER COMPANY) favorite her over her other members because she is super pretty, even though she has the same skill set as them.
hey bestie just saying i hear u. We can have our own opinion on her like hey she’s cool and all but it is true that some treat her like god’s gift to kpop and you may not see that it’s okay ;)
I think ppl hate that gorg woman bcs she acts so cute and cares abt her idol image so much that if u misunderstood her wrong ppl could take it in a way were she hater her members ♥️♥️ a message to her haters get mature open ur eyes alr
Honestly, I think people dislike Wonyoung because it’s easy. I’m really slow to stanning groups - I usually start by listening to their music and having one favorite until I’ve been around long enough to actually learn the members. When it comes to IVE, though, it’s hard not to notice Wonyoung first. She’s stunning, talented, and has otherworldly visuals. I absolutely love her. But from a sociological perspective, I think people hate on her because of the whole mentality that people want to see rich, pretty people taken down. It’s a horrible mindset, but especially in Western culture, it’s really common to find groups of people who dislike someone just because they’re successful, talented, and attractive. I think it’s rooted in jealousy and insecurity more than anything. Wonyoung checks all the boxes: she’s beautiful, talented, and successful, and instead of being celebrated for it, she gets hate. People seem to take issue with anyone who seems "too perfect," like it’s a flaw in itself. It’s frustrating, but sadly, it's something that happens all the time when someone stands out this much.
Honestly, I think the haters are just jealous. I know that's cliché, but that's what I think. Because there is no logical reason to hate her, they try their best to make her look bad.
Me & everyone I know do not eat strawberry with two hands, even in front of camera. I have seen very beautiful female idols like newgeans eating without exaggeration. It is not just jealousy. People like spontaneity.
Not in any way a Wonyoung hater. She is drop-dead gorgeous and so the only part I disagree on the video is she would have to step aside for the others to shine. I don't think she should. She is the only reason I have listened to any Ive song. As for the people that hate her for the women I think it's because she really is just that pretty. She can make models look mid. For men, she is always constantly winking and blowing kisses, and even though I don't mind because I'm not the type to take it seriously I am sure others see her as being very fake and remind them of girls who try to take advantage of guys. (most commonly gold diggers)
I have to admit the wonyoung hate train was so much that at some point I started unconsciously seeing her in a bad light. I got so used to always hearing bad stuff ab her that there wasn't really anything positive I saw her for. It wasn't until one clip of her livestream I watched and she said something really funny and I thought "she's annoying but she's funny" then a few moments later I asked myself "wait, why exactly is she annoying" and I realized there wasn't really anything wrong with her and she hasn't done anything wrong. I took time to watch more videos of her and she's actually pretty cool. It's scary how clouded your mind can be from something as simple as random people's words. For months i just saw her as annoying and I didn't realize what I was doing at all
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It's also the double standard with the favortism that annoys me. In Eleven era, Wonyoung wore like a big fluffy skirt, and everyone cried favortism. But then Gaeul wore an even bigger more noticable skirt in Love Dive era, standing out from the rest of the members, and she got praise. Gaeul deserved the praise, Wonyoung didn't deserve the hate.
NOW THE hypocrites DIVES AND KPOP STANS SAID THIS IS NORMAL WONYOUNG GET LEAST PROMOTION since 2023 BECAUSE SHE IS THE MOST popular .
BUT she is mismanaged by her company and didnt get times to showcase her talents more like she write many bsides i remember she said she want trying other activities no only fashion .
@@lavienrosewon8811 IKR!!!! people say "pretty privilege" but this is sounding a lot more like pretty disadvantages to me. wonyoung is so fvcking strong and im so proud of her for being able to handle these situations with such grace and not giving the poor haters her energy. she knows they're all just fkn miserable and seeing her happy, successful, pretty and everything they want to be just makes them more miserable. so she doesn't give in to the hate and keeps shining more and making the haters madder with her success. literal icon
EXACTLY!!!
i think a big reason why people hate Wonyoung is because instead of making herself smaller and keeping her head down in shame after whatever "scandal" or controversy she ends up in (like how they previously did to other female idols), she instead takes up space. She poses, winks, smiles and that irritates people to no bounds.
Also kpop stans love to feel like a hero to their idols, for example an idol could open up about their insecurities and the fans would rush to tell them how beautiful or talented they are, and that's just not the case with Wonyoung. She's self-assured and confident, and there's nothing that people hate more than a beautiful woman knowing her worth. (this is not to say that the insecure idols are at fault in any way.)
It all boils down to jealousy and kpop stans' need for a punching bag.
Wonyoung speak up she was sad sometime she have not childhood because she debuted at 14 yo in izone during izone tho.
Recently Wonyoung speak up about hyperscrutization toward female idols in kpop industry and the people critized the female much in media and industry. SHE CREATED MINDSET LUCKY VICKY ABOUT POSITIVE MINSET AND GONE DARK THOUGHTS IN KOREA ALSO SHE IS STILL mature because she reveal she want improved herself and skills
Wonyoung reveal her fav song is either way because she ifeel judged by the people
Perfect you couldn't have articulated it better that's what I have been wanting to say "there is nothing k-pop Stans hate more than an self-assured idol knowing their worth and Just not seeking validation from public
this is really interesting! A lot of kpop fans want power and control over their idols as a way to feel significant. A lot of entitled behaviour comes from these desires aren’t acknowledged in a constructive way. Indeed, it’s like Wonyoung is impervious based on her presentation, which brings to light these questions of personal agency.
She doesn't get bothered by their hate, which gives the haters 0 power. And that PISSES them off
We love wonyoung
Pretty girls love wonyoung
@@Natasha.Louisee fr, proof is that u don't hate wonyoung and ur definitely pretty
@@Natasha.LouiseeI’m actually a boy btw I’m 32 I just discovered I’m 12 years older than you
people really just love to hate on an it girl- jennie, wonyoung and more
To this day, I will never understand the Jang Wonyoung Hate. When she was in IZ*ONE, she didn't get hate but now that she is in IVE, she gets hate now?
So true, people are jealous because she’s an it girl smart pretty and kind
Wony get hate by international fans during final pd48 for win over sakura.
Wonyoung sue sojang aka youtuber cyberbullying her since debut ive .Lucky she win lawsuit against TH-camr
@RoyaleMusical but it wasnt this much like in ive
Nope she always got hate. When she won PD48, people hated her because she won over Sakura.
5:34 as a wonyoungism creator , I absolutely hate all the toxic accounts that promote the unhealthy lifestyle , wonyoungism is based on having a positive and healthy mindset and lifestyle , but all the toxic creators are causing trouble:(
@@freedommobile-zh7oy oop I hope u weren’t affected with toxic stuff😭
go girl embrace your own content and keep creating! The best way is to show the positive message because people often aren’t familiar with it unfortunately and when situations are nuanced, it’s easy to latch onto the first negative impression you get 😞
@@embarrassingkid5078 aw tysm💓
Yesss I agree! As a wonyoungism follower, my life has changed for the better after I discovered and joined wonyoungism❣️I think this movement is highly misunderstood because of the toxic videos. Because if you look at the definitions of wonyoungism, it just means to become the best version of yourself and take good care of yourself - not forcing yourself to lose a bunch of weights or waking up super early.
ahhh i have many reasons why people have such a hate-boner for wonyoung
1) _she is indisputably the it-girl of the 4th gen._ she is the person who has the highest demand for cfs. no ifs ands or buts. and for people who enjoy kpop more like a sport rather than an artform, she is the reason their fave 'lost'.
2) _she is unapologetically tall_ and talks about how she likes it. BUT, she also doesn't fluff up her height so when she's in the flattest flats known to man standing next to a bg member who clearly has insoles and is /still visibly shorter than her, rather than accepting that the company lied their head off about bg member's height, they neg wonyoung about her height claiming that 'she's lying' lol
3) _her 'fake' voice._ and damn i find this one fascinating. it's almost like haters are trying to masculinize her as a tall woman with a deep voice as an insult??? like??? what?!?!?!? yeah she has a deeper voice when she uses a different inflection, and what of it? SO many idols do it as well but people usually blame the company for forcing it to be hidden or praise the duality the idol possesses. but wonyo? nahh she clearly is doing it to deceive, she's doing it to be a pick-me. yawn.
4) _she is proactive with protecting her privacy, both mental and social._ my theory on this one is that it angers people that she is everywhere in terms of her image but is private about her life which doesn't allow haters to exploit her they way they can with other idols -there's nothing wrong with being more open with fans btw, i'm just saying that being private shouldn't be vilified either- she doesn't really disclose her friendships, and she has a very strong mental barrier. this enrages people who participate in hate trains bc that means she doesn't give them any attention
5) _she presents hyper femininely_ i think this is something that goes beyond just kpop, but society as a whole is largely unaccepting of extreme forms of gender presentation, regardless of if it aligned with the one assigned at birth or not. on top of that, throw in someone who is assertive, confident and ambitious, all traits that are positively associated with masculinity, in that hyper femme presentation and suddenly all of those good traits take on a negative light. assertiveness becomes rudeness, confidence becomes princess syndrome, and ambition becomes selfishness.
Holy SHI-
This right here, is THE perfect comment. I'm speechless. You articulated EVERYTHING really well and even added some points I didn't even THINK of!
Thank you so much for taking your time writing this out as it basically sums up most reasons. Frankly, I'm still in shock for how on the nose this comment is
you said it perfectly.
to add to the hyperfeminine thing, though i do agree that might add to it, i dont think its just that, it's because she's hyperfeminine AND, like u said, very confident, nobody's fool. this breaks the stereotype, breaks the fantasy
pretty girls love wonyoung
Pretty boys and pretty enbys love her too
@@Taemtiddiesshe’s for the girls only ❤
The amount of people who don't know that she is 19 is actually kind of scary. Like they were holding her standards like she was a full-grown adult. The fact that so many people were harassing a child or a barely legal adult is crazy. And what makes it worse is that they didn't even know that they were dragging someone so young. And even if she was an adult no one deserves to be dragged like that. Choose only one year older than me but the way me and her would be treated I know would be completely different. I still would be treated as a young person but she would be treated as if she was 25. Not a teenager who is about to enter her early twenties who is still learning and is still growing into her own self. The fact that a teenager is a role model to so many people makes me anxious for her because you're at that point where you're finding your self on top of having so many eyes on you. Wonyoung is a beautiful person. And she has an adorable face okay she may be older than me but she's adorable. People tend to criticize her without realizing that she is so young and she is still developing her skills. And she has improved impeccably. She makes me feel prettier every time she's confident on screen. I'm not the biggest fan of Ive not because I dislike them because I'm exploring so many other groups of discographies at the moment that these girls have to wait a bit but let me just tell you I think they have some of the best discography in the 4th gen.
the weird thing is, this only happens to the pretty idols. I think fans see them as threats to their egos 😭😭 love wonyoung 💕
True, it's often visuals or female idols who suit the Korean beauty standards and the "male gaze" (Wonyoung, Yuna, Irene, Karina etc.), that's why so many female kpop stans feel threatened by them. The jealousy and internalized misogyny is HUGE in the kpop community.
sooo trueeee@RoyaleMusical
About the "Wonyoung going to the centre" thing, another reason is that idols are drilled into standing in a certain lineup. I remember Mamamoo saying that it feels really unnatural when they're not stood in their usual formation during photos. It's probably just muscle memory at this point for Wonyoung to go to the centre when group photos are happening because she has likely done it for tens or hundreds of hours before IVE even debuted.
Also people getting up in arms about an idol eating cutely, like... even if she is doing it deliberately (which she obviously was for the pizza ad, being PROMOTIONAL), is it hurting you? Like, maybe touch grass if you're getting that wound up about it.
I agree. I was always worried about her mental health with all the hate she received.
As wonyoung stan i remember article write wonyoung said she was hurt mentally by sojang defamation also this is evil edits by popular youtuber created defamed videos toward celebrities in korea.
Lucky wonyoung win lawsuit against TH-camr sojang.
I worried if wonyoung get great theraphy or hiatus for keep her better
Hmm... I remember that being my biggest concern as well and while it still is, I'm a bit calm due to some of these reasons:
Her mindset. If you watch her interviews, you can tell what her mindset is. She's extremely self assured and has a motto, 'If I haven't done something wrong then it won't affect me'. This means she WILL acknowledge if she did something wrong but if she's being falsely accused, then she will stand her ground and not let it affect her.
This ties into the fact that she does NOT buckle by the hate. Due to such massive amounts of hate, many idols (especially Yuna. I feel so bad for her. You could really notice it...) get quieter, become visibly unsure and insecure (and I find that extremely sad but also concerned for people's mental health).but not Wony. She still walks with her head up, posing, winking and being her idol self. This makes haters SEETH.
Now onto the final reason. Her personality is like that. Her motto, 'You are You and I am me'. Her mindset is like this. She's a strong minded person and you can tell, even if we don't know her off camera!Plus, she's quite known for being chronically offline as well so it helps her not see the braindead hate as well.
Plus, she works EXTREMELY hard with back to back schedules, heck, IVE as a whole. However, Wony has an insane amount of individual schedules on top! Then still keeping professional. Weaker willed people would've fallen. Not saying the insane schedule is a good thing (which it 1000% ISN'T) but you can tell her will power.
Yes, even if she says she's fine and all, she definitely does have THOSE days for sure. Yes, I still worry about her but I also do about the other members'. Her's even more with the schedule, hate and overall attention but I do believe she's incredibly strong minded. She also has strong support be it her members, staff or especially her mom!
So while yes, it is quite worrying at times, I believe she's already past the worst and she's very strong willed so I'll put trust it'll be fine rather than add more worrying over her
they HATEEE to see a pretty girl win
people hate anyone who stands out, we've seen it with so many idols - they hated goo hara for having lunches with men and called her boy-obsessed because other female idols wouldn't have lunches with male idols so it was shocking to the public, they now hate ahyeon from babymonster because her dancing was more sharp from her other group members and she would sing and rap really confidently (the "overperforming" scandal) so now ahyeon has toned down her performance way more in order not to stand out. people are never happy when someone stands out because they are a "pick me", which honestly kills creativity and if I were an idol getting such hate for the most normal things I would literally quit cuz wtf people
also obv it's misogyny - people hate successful women and will do anything to find any sort of flaw in them. if all of these things that people hate women for were done by a man, they would have never been treated like this. first example: soojin from gidle got kicked out from the group (also kim garam) for alleged accusations that the idol allegedly did in school - female idol gets kicked out from the group and possibly blacklisted from the industry even after disproving the allegations (on her own because the company doesn't want to deal with it). lucas from nct has allegations made against him, that he did something bad as an adult, the company puts him on hiatus and quietly kicks him out of the group AND THEN DEBUTS HIM AS A SOLOIST. I understand that a new debut would usually be made only if the idol agreed, so soojin (and garam) probably didn't want to debut under the company that got rid of her, but the fact that lucas still has so many fans even after NOT DISPROVING the allegations (he said he was sorry for the situation, which could refer to the allegations or the fact that the fans had to go through his hiatus), either way, his company welcomes him back with open arms, along with many fans. plus, let's not forget that so many idol criminals that were part of the burning sun scandal are trying to return to the industry and they still have many fans who support them and will turn a blind eye for something that THEY HAD BEEN CONVICTED FOR. it's like if a man makes a mistake, it's not a mistake just a happy accident, if a woman makes a mistake, burn her at the stake
As a Wonyoung supporter since produce Wonyoung has always been the center of hate by k-pop stans it started way back when Wonyoung was announced as the center of IZ*ONE Sakura fans were livid over the fact that someone won against their fave and started saying Wonyoung didn’t deserve her place when she rightfully did deserve it she CONSISTENTLY ranked high during the whole show and was arguably the most popular contestant alongside Kkura,Yujin and Gaeun and then people started saying Wonyoung was an attention seeker because she jokingly said that Yujin didn’t shower yes it was misplaced but she was only 14 and didn’t deserve the hate and there was also the "Wonyoung pushed Sakura" thing and it was debunked Sakura just happened to move at the same time Wonyoung adjusted her skirt
as a wonyoung stan i also noticed another reason she gets unnecessary hate is that she doesn’t let the hate affect her and make herself smaller at least from what we’ve seen and it pisses people off (one of the things i like about her).
Imagine trying to explain this to a non kpop stan...i would be embarrassed for these wony haters.
This first time I’ve seen her, I loved her. She stood out to me. She’s like a princess. Reminds me a lot of another K-Celebrity I like, Song Jia. They’re both so hated despite being so elegant and I’m convinced it’s jealously, insecurity and projections on the audience’s part. That’s it.
wonyoungism isnt only looking like wonyoung or doing things like her, it also includes the "it girl" mindset, which embraces confidence and the skill to make the best decisions for yourself.
Most people would say facts can only be correct or incorrect, and opinions (being subjective) cannot be correct or incorrect.
Not liking Wonyong is a rare example of an incorrect opinion lol
1000000000% agree
Yall just hate’s femininity and it’s getting pretty tiring
I’ve had literal arguments in the comments with people who say that wonyoung is ‘influencing young kids to have Ed’s’,
Which number 1 as you said she has never encouraged dieting culture nor has she talked about any diets that she has possibly gone on.
At the end of the day if these kids do end up with eating disorders surely their parents should notice that their kid isn’t eating or doing dangerous diets.
People hate to see pretty girls winning. (Jennie, Wonyoung, Yuna and so on.)
about 2:31 - i remember in love dive when gaeul wore something that made her stand out, everyone praised it and told her how pretty she was while wonyoung got hated for it..
Wonyoung said she hzve fast metabolism and was known biggest eater with hyewon in izone also i think she lost weight with stress from hate and busy schedules in debut ive.
She is still foodie and know research restaurants about beefz
She actually did get a bunch of hate during Izone. Mainly the whole "Sakura should have been P1 it's rigged" and the "Wonyoung pushed Sakura" debacle. But definitely no where near the amount of hates she gets now.
I think a big reason for this change is because she's "too perfect" now or no longer as "goofy" as she was in Izone. Which is so dumb because 1. She's older so of course she's going to act more mature, 2. With the amount of hate she gets that perfect persona is the only thing shielding her and 3. Literally watch any Ive variety she's the sweetest and still has that top tier humour.
Some people just need to get a life .....
Oh I forgot about that! I feel like (as dumb as it is) that’s reason holds a lot more weight than “she ate a strawberry”
GUYS this video was supposed to be posted in 2 hours 🥲🥲🥲 IDK why it's up early
You can mentioned all achived wonyoung did like win lawsuit against TH-camr sojang defamed many koreans celebrities and write a song about hyperscrutization toward female idols in kpop industry and she wanted to write about the strength of women.
She created lucky vicky as mindset for stay positive minds and gone dark thoughts in korea .
SHE said she want improved herself and read philosopher books about the life .
Teenagers likes to trash on anything they cannot achieve, a lot of young girls displaying rude behavior towards people with pretty privilege can be shown as an example.
Wonyoung is a successful idol who also happened to be the epitome of Korean beauty standard, which gave her even more opportunities and increased her success further. Now imagine you are a teenager who can be easily influenced, and you see an idol with a perfect career and perfect image. It is clear that you won't be able to as successful as or beautiful as her no matter what. So what will you do? You will either try to be like that perfect idol as possible which can be shown as the reason for whole Wonyoungism trend. Or you will start to hate that idol and try to cling on and point the finger to their every "flaw" so you can validate yourself.
It’s obvious why most people hate on won’t it’s because she’s pretty and successful we’ve seen this type of thing has happened before to multiple women in different music industry’s but still in the music industry people usually hate on the people who are doing better then us it’s normal honestly to be jealous. We can’t always be happy for everything and everyone but not hating but I feel like most hate is coming from people younger and don’t know better
Wonyoung is the female version of Eunwoo. She has the biggest fanbase, the most brand deals and gets the most exposer in her group. That brings out the jelousy of people and turn them into haters. Haters are usually more obessed with the idol that hate on than the fans. They look for everything that could be a mistake, an act of favorism etc.
I didnt like the way she acted in front of senior idols, because it was disrespectul in a culture where is a high sigh of respectfull behavior. Its not that I hate her for that its just something I was a little irriteded by especialy as someone who ults ASTRO who still do a 90° bow to their seniors when they are in buisness since 2016. However hating on her for how she ate the strawberry? Like come on.
As a boy group fan and as a sunghoon biased i literally can't understand how people got angry with her performing butter with sunghoon she was just doing her JOB!!!
literally her livestream about NOT dieting... like shes telling her fans to eat good whatttt
(Tw Ed talk) I just want to tell people who are younger and this is coming from a teen who has been both heavy and unhealthy thin please don’t starve or do anything that will “make” you drop weight fast just because of some idols they are adults and are dancing and training all the time it’s still not good if they are underweight but you are still a child you need nutritions I have an 3D i don’t want anyone to feel sorry I just want to warn everyone to not make mistakes like me because it can genuinely hurt you and make you feel worse if someone in your life is making you feel bad about your weight cut them off, talk to a parent or a counsellor if you can please remember your not alone ur gorgeous and we love you🩷
This is really helpful❤
Honestly, it makes me a little sad to see all the hate Wonyoung receives for things that are not her fault (like her company's supposed favoritism towards her) or videos taken out of context. She is a kind, hard-working girl and suffered a lot to get where she is. I think she deserves all the fame and love she gets 🤍
Can we talk about fans who think they have the audacity to comment on an idols body? Like it’s so fucking condescending when they make stupid videos being “sad” or “pitying” her, like “omg guys she’s so skinny, she’s so unhealthy I feel so bad for her 🥺🥺🥺🥺”. LIKE CALLING IT OUT AND MAKING HARMFUL VIDOES LIKE THESE ARE SO TOXIC. They think they are genuinely “helping” the ideas by commenting all these negative things and think they are helping her. As if they knew everything in her life. It’s disturbing
Personally, my theory for the Wonyoung hate is that coupled with the fact that she is talented, beautiful, extremely rich - she simple just lets herself be her authentic self.
I've seen this alot in real life where sometimes people restrict themselves to what they "should be" so when they see someone who goes beyond that limit they hold for themelves and they see someone being their authentic selves, it triggers them. They hate it because they're jealous of how she is and how she can let herself just be free.
I had a friend once that was envious of Wonyoung and hated her because she was so pretty and she was the IT girl. She would tell me how her long-distance friend and her would call each other and hate wonyoung together... and there's wasn't any shame to it.
That same friend also gave me a lot of pushback because I changed quite a bit from my high school self. I was quite rough and tough, impulsive and rude and immature when I was 15-17 (duh!) but when I became 18/19, something extremely big happened and I didn't like the way I was anymore. So I changed myself to fit more to what I do like and that created a lot of pushback from this person because she couldn’t believe I wasn’t the same. And moreover, she would keep trying to neg me and trigger me by bringing up the way I used to be and how I said something one time when I was younger. She was also very rude to me and would hold things over my head, it was toxic for me because she essentially did not celebrate my growth and that I was healing from my childhood trauma and letting me be free.
I can't chalk it off to anything but envy that I changed and she was still the same. I think the same applies to her relationship with Wonyoung - all haters relationship with Wonyoung. She represents to them something they "can never achieve" while idol life is not ideal, her grace and elegance is very much so achievable and should be inspiring to others. but they're the ones restricting themselves.
Tbh it's because of the initial hate that I started to pay attention to her. I watched all of P48 as it was airing but she never caught my eye. Seeing her get centre in the final over Sakura was a suprise.
During izone I still wasn't paying much attention to her and found out a whole year later that she redebuted in IVE. As I've paid more attention she really is one of the few idols in the current gen that takes their job seriously. The only thing I disagree with is that earlier in IVEs schedules she really did stand out stylist wise so I can see where the favouritism comments came from.
I agree.But half of those times have been from when she was MC or something else.
I also think they switched up on her so fast, is because when she was in IZ*ONE she obviously got Center, and got #1 in Produce just at 14 years old, and was extremely pretty and popular. As soon as she redebuted into IVE, with all these ridicioulous scandals they created her to be a villain, was an exuse to let out the jealousy they felt for her back when she was in IZ*ONE.
I’d say in addition to all the reasons you mentioned, one of the biggest reasons why she’s got a target on her back ever since she redebuted in IVE is because IVE is a lot more mainstream than IZ*ONE was. And you know… bigger audience means you get exposed to more toxic people. I just don’t understand those people.
6:06 then people complaints that it's not how it was before ~ they miss idols interaction?!?!
Trueeeee
I actually don't mind her; she makes me neither hot nor cold. I think that she's talented and pretty, but nothing else, because I don't know her personally😐
See this is a normal person response to someone you’re not interested in 😂
This is Kpop's finest example of how insecure the community is. I absolutely LOVE Wonyoung not only for her personality but mostly because of her aura and confidence. She is the best example of a person who learned self-love. Think about it, she debuted at 14 years old in such a toxic industry- and there's no doubt just like other idols, she went through a lot at such a young age, but many are choosing to target her. Why so?
Projection. According to psychology, projection is when a person's inner emotions are placed onto another source as a defense mechanism, and within the community, this is SUPER common.
Because of how toxic beauty standards have become today, many stans who are often younger and unfortunately still in their years of development are being influenced into hating themselves because they don't look or act like the people on their screen. Wonyoung's confidence as the woman she is APPEALS to people, and stans are insecure because she learned to be that best version of herself that those stans haven't become themselves. They're afraid to see someone else happy because they aren't happy with themselves.
I wish more people continue to recognize Wonyoung as an example to become more proud of ourselves and to treat ourselves right.
Btw Natasha- Thank you for this video! I enjoy your commentaries a lot, and I hope you're well! Take care everyone💞
another factor you didnt talk about is mob mentality. some people just hate her bcs its popular to hate her
YOU'RE SPEAKING FACTS, now i need to sub! 🎀
Those haters are just drama queens projecting their sad lives onto her
wonyoung is actually my favorite ive member (i won't say bias bc i don't stan bc i do support the group) i'm never gonna be able to fathom that ppl are so jealous of her/feel so threatened by her that she can't even eat a strawberry in peace like...if she ate it normally she'd probably get hate for that too that's how stupid her haters are
I haven't got a time to check them out yet, but seeing Strawberrygate in close up, I understand she would do this. I WOULD TOO IF I ATE THAT BIG OF A STRAWBERRY. (Also, IDIDNTKNOWSHEWASSOCUTE)
I never got into izone, so that was pretty interesting to watch from the outside as they disbanded and redebuts started coming out. IVE ended up being my favorite to come out of that, but the first member to catch my eye was Liz. The blonde hair looked so stunning on her and her voice is so beautiful. I didnt really notice Wonyoung and I was confused why everyone was talking about her, but getting familiar with the group, shes right behind Liz in line for my heart. Her voice is so beautiful, she is so ridiculously beautiful, and shes amazing at everything she does... no wonder all the envious weirdos are obsessed with her
4:39, she meant like in the ED way cause in korea, which means weight 47kg at 5'8 eating an egg and yogurt cup with fruit for breakfast. Look at korean diet vlogs
2:04 i do think they kinda look like backup dancers on this stage though, because the backup dancers also have white accents. i think the hate train is really unecessary though
People hate wonyoung for the PETTIEST reasons wow
People just love using wonyoung and other idols as punching bags
I'm gonna see IVE in Chicago in a couple weeks and I'm very excited to see all the members, not just Wonyoung, though I'm very excited to see her too!
Currently on a deep dive with your videos! Love, love, love! 💗
I like Wonyoung, she hasn’t really done anything for me to dislike about her. Majority of the posts I see of her are either edited or taken out of context. Very rarely will I agree with the critiques. I hate hate trains in general, because if you look at some peoples accounts they’re either following that idol/group or admits they joined the hate train to not get attacked.
ultimately it just comes down to jealousy, everytime it's just jealousy whether it be jealousy over her stunning visuals, jealousy over her favouritism, or jealousy over her interactions with other idols.
teenage through to young adult years are the most jealous years in our lives as we are so consumed with other people's opinions and material things that whenever we see anyone (e.g. wonyoung) with something we want (e.g. looks, talent, male attention) we get angry over the fact that it isn't us. this is why people are finding any excuse to hate on her because they know that their hatred rooted in jealousy is unreasonable so they desperately try to find any excuse to make their hatred rational and they try their hardest to make wonyoung seem like a bad person solely so they can feel better about themselves. little do they know, wonyoung is never gonna be brought down and all that they're doing is making their own lives miserable by centering their lives and thoughts around their hatred and jealousy.
7:58 she knows how to serve! 🤭🔥🔥🔥‼️
I think she is loosing weight because of stress, some people gain weight during stress periods, but in my case, I start loosing a lot of weight and it’s difficult to gain it back. Also stress makes me fell dizzy so I am less hungry
And also, if they have the imagination to say that the rest of Ive are victims they would better go and write a book
i live, love, laugh wonyoung with my whole body and soul
Wonyoung is definitely one of my favs 🫶🏼
I don't know anything about Wonyoung nor do I listen to the group she is in, but no 19 year olds who is barely legal deserved to be put through all of that. All she is trying to do is make a living through her dreams. How hard is it for people to see her as a human? She deserves so much peace.
She has been through so much to being a victim of misogyny, sexual fetishism, and mob mentality.
So You are saying that two-hand grip on a strawberry should not be enough to cancel a person? How dare You? >
Huh
I think u got the idea wrong -
So let's make edited videos of her not bowing even tho i am not a korean. That will be enough...right? /jk
I only know a few IVE songs, Wonyoung seems sweet if anything. I think that people often speak negatively because of "wonyoungism" trends but Wonyoung didn't have anything to do with the trend. I see comments about her weight and as someone diagnosed with an ED I just feel so sad. Whether she has a problem or not the comments aren't helping her. I have seen videos commenting on it and picking apart everything she says and from what I've seen she never actively promoted dieting of any kind. I think she even advised people not to. I genuinely feel bad for her. I feel like she is getting the same hate Jennie used to get and as a Blink I saw how messy it was. Wonyoung herself doesn't control stage outfits, it's the stylist/company. That said, I don't feel like having her in outfits that fuel the favoritism allegations are helpful to Wonyoung. I think the company should do a better job at handling her hate comments. YG already did that to Jennie and I just hope history doesn't repeat itself.
Those videos... The ones that pick apart EVERY LITTLE THING.
Whether or not she has ED, it felt so disgusting when those videos popped up on my feed. Picking apart EVERYTHING, be it the size of her legs are the size of other people's arms, her ribs, pointing out her arms and all was just so insane to me. They treated her as an object, picking apart like she's some sort of doll or something
I found that extremely uncomfortable and even disgusting. You know what the worst part it, at it's peak (around debut, Love Dove and After Like era), she wasn't even an adult.
What makes it even more personal to me now is... I'm her age from when she was getting attacked like that. I'm not entirely insecure about my weight but definitely not secure, especially since I'm overweight with a culture that makes it normal to point such things out. Close family hurts but overtime it doesn't affect me, however, having HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS people pick me apart like that... Sh*t, I can't even imagine...
Her outfits, body, everything is controlled by her company in the most part!! Can people just handle her being beautiful and successful without hating! If ur gonna hate on anyone hate on the company.
wonyoung is just soo pretty that ppl started getting jealous of her and just overreacting on everything she does and tbh the wonyoungism thing isn't that bad I started doing it when I was at the lowest point of my life and I treated her as an idol and took inspo from her to be a better person (she is the best) and the strawberry she ate tbh it is that big that u can eat with two hands and tbh male idols don't get the same hate as female idols ever
Hi girly I'm just from Pinterest! ✨🤭 (You are famous there!) I'm happy to be early loll! 👏🏻🫂
oh hello!!! I keep hearing this but i've never seen myself on pinterest...... ahhh i'm curious
@@Natasha.Louiseeit was your k-pop scandal iceberg vid thumbnail pic! Lol! I had good laugh just looking at it!
I confess... I have been a wonyoung disliker. tbh I'm not much involved in scandals and wider fandom, so I've had no part in any hate trains, and I think that's a terrible thing to bash an idol so widely. but I was a big fan of iz*one, and especially as someone who values an idol's vocals very highly, over visuals/general audience appeal, I had some... reservations about the group's lineup (even before it was revealed to be rigged). I disliked wonyoung for taking first place when she was 1. very young at the time and 2. was quite vocally underdeveloped especially compared to other members in the group (and I just personally really didn't like her high pitched, nasal tone). I think survival shows often end up breeding resentment like that, because there's only so many spots in a group and who you think are the "best" contestants won't always get in. at this point I don't pay much attention to wonyoung anymore, but I know she's worked incredibly hard and improved since then, she absolutely deserves the positive attention she receives and her position as center/face of ive.
it’s good old fashioned jealousy. they know they’ll never have an ounce of wonyoungs beauty and success and love so they pounce on any slight opportunity to try and bring her down but it just makes them look stupid and shows the hate in their hearts. with negative souls like that the could never even touch wonyoung. she’s such a ray of sunshine and positivity that her detractors cannot STAND. they hate that everything they throw at her just bounces off
it's crazy how people try to make other ive mems look poor and that wony is overshadowing them while they cherrypick and focus so much on her
2:50 in the critics defense her color difference kinda makes her look like a bride with her bridesmaids
Yeah, I don't blame Wonyoung for it at all but I do think it was a weird decision on the part of the stylists. No other member has *that much* white in their outfit, and I think especially with all the other members having black tops, it really brings focus to Wonyoung because she is the exception. If another member had a more white-heavy (or 50/50) outfit, I think it wouldn't look as imbalanced.
I really luv the way u see wonyoung as an idol I've never seen a girl talk abt wonyoung that way i luv the defense u give her and i actually luv izone i stan le sserafim as an ult group i rlly luv ive and bias wonyoung i stan yena i respect all the other members in izone btw i rlly luv ur kpop vids❤️❤️
i stan enhypen and ive it pisses me off when engenes try to call wonyoung a pick me because shes friends w sunghoon like idols are friends with eachother and it doesnt mean theyre dating and if they are, what does it mean to you? you were never gonna date your favourite male idol and you should stop acting like you own them. (i miss jangkku interactions)
couldn't agree more with 6:15
honestly, how weird does one have to be to hate on another individual for singing and dancing with another person? I've always found jealous K-pop stans weird.
I also don't get the logic they go by. Because leaving malicious comments on Wonyoung's posts isn't gonna make Sunghoon choose them 😭
wonyoung deserves nothing but love 💗💗🫶🏻 love her sm
We dont forget wonyoung win lawsuit against TH-camr sojang aka youtuber cyberbullying bts,aespa and ive ...wonyoung created popular mindset about positif mindset in korea.This is called lucky vicky
Jealously is a powerful drug
Honestly, I think people feel threatened by Wonyoung. When she debuted in IVE, she got way more prettier and popular because she was a former IZ*ONE member, but now that she’s so popular now, people think that she doesn’t deserve her popularity and fame, because she wasn’t as “self-made” as the other members. They loved wonyoung in iz*one when she was a rookie and maknae, but now that she’s in IVE, she’s now a professional, which wasn’t the reason most wonyoung post-IVE stans liked her, and they felt threatened by new wonyoung stans, so to stand out, they started hating on her
It was so weird to see people hate her for how she eats but also for not eating. The double standard on the strawberry "scandal" was so bad...
Because there are jealous
Gosh, I love listening to you...lol, I wish I had ur confidence .. u go, girl!!!
She's pretty, young, famous and rich. Can dance and sing ok/well. People don't believe that someone can have all of this and not being a terrible person, like, she "need to" have some defect, and people go crazy looking for this in everything she does.
Also, her image is everywhere, so I think people get sick of this, or salt because they want someone else in her spot.
Basically, people can't deal with young woman being successful
Girl is literally working her ass off💗💗💗
hating her for things they would eat up if their fave male idol did them instead
the queen has posted !
what i find so funny is that there are american, overall just international (anything but east asian) fans trying to tell her how to bow properly. i am a Korean. born and raised in Busan. i currently live in america, but i am still korean. i can tell you, the way she bowed was completely fine. there was NOTHING wrong with the way that she bowed. the incident i am referring to is where she bowed to sakura and got hate for not bowing enough. you are AMERICAN and telling her how to bow?! that is exactly how i bow to my friends that i haven’t seen in a while when i visit korea. sakura and wonyoung haven’t seen each other (or don’t see each other much) in a while. i completely understand why she bowed like that but what i dont understand is how people forced hate on her
That one short : "my brother rates ive members" Where "he" gave everyone a decent rate except wony because "She looked plastic and fake" 🤨 Yeah...sure she is plastic as if others hadn't had some stuff done. And the truth is I don't even think it's the brother. This short channel just made that shit up just to target wony. There is no way you would call other 8 or 9 out of ten but give only wonyoung a 3. At least don't make it obvious 🤡
Edit: i also found out that this "brother" didn't rank leeseo cause she's too young. What a respectful "bro" right? But still calling wony a fake. 🤡
I have to agree that Wonyoung is overrated, but that doesn’t mean she is a bad idol. she is a good dancer, good singer, good rapper, and she has above average visuals. i think Wonyoung is amazing and very deserving of her position but pretty privilege also plays a role in her popularity. (my opinion, obviously she’s still amazing and this isn’t meant to be any hate to her.)
Above average visuals? Overrated! 😭
@@Verowinday777 it’s just my opinion, i’m not saying she isn’t talented but i am saying fans (NOT HER COMPANY) favorite her over her other members because she is super pretty, even though she has the same skill set as them.
hey bestie just saying i hear u. We can have our own opinion on her like hey she’s cool and all but it is true that some treat her like god’s gift to kpop and you may not see that it’s okay ;)
I think ppl hate that gorg woman bcs she acts so cute and cares abt her idol image so much that if u misunderstood her wrong ppl could take it in a way were she hater her members ♥️♥️ a message to her haters get mature open ur eyes alr
You only spoke facts THANK YOU
Honestly, I think people dislike Wonyoung because it’s easy. I’m really slow to stanning groups - I usually start by listening to their music and having one favorite until I’ve been around long enough to actually learn the members. When it comes to IVE, though, it’s hard not to notice Wonyoung first. She’s stunning, talented, and has otherworldly visuals. I absolutely love her.
But from a sociological perspective, I think people hate on her because of the whole mentality that people want to see rich, pretty people taken down. It’s a horrible mindset, but especially in Western culture, it’s really common to find groups of people who dislike someone just because they’re successful, talented, and attractive. I think it’s rooted in jealousy and insecurity more than anything.
Wonyoung checks all the boxes: she’s beautiful, talented, and successful, and instead of being celebrated for it, she gets hate. People seem to take issue with anyone who seems "too perfect," like it’s a flaw in itself. It’s frustrating, but sadly, it's something that happens all the time when someone stands out this much.
Honestly, I think the haters are just jealous. I know that's cliché, but that's what I think. Because there is no logical reason to hate her, they try their best to make her look bad.
I LOVE WONYOUNG AND MY TEN OTHER SELF❤❤❤
You explained it soo well the hate is very forced 💀+I really like your lipgloss ❤
ur uploads r so consistent recently :D
Her haters are just ugly. On the inside mostly. She is so young, beautiful and aspirational and ugly people can’t stand that.
Me & everyone I know do not eat strawberry with two hands, even in front of camera. I have seen very beautiful female idols like newgeans eating without exaggeration. It is not just jealousy. People like spontaneity.
Not in any way a Wonyoung hater. She is drop-dead gorgeous and so the only part I disagree on the video is she would have to step aside for the others to shine. I don't think she should. She is the only reason I have listened to any Ive song. As for the people that hate her for the women I think it's because she really is just that pretty. She can make models look mid. For men, she is always constantly winking and blowing kisses, and even though I don't mind because I'm not the type to take it seriously I am sure others see her as being very fake and remind them of girls who try to take advantage of guys. (most commonly gold diggers)
I have to admit the wonyoung hate train was so much that at some point I started unconsciously seeing her in a bad light. I got so used to always hearing bad stuff ab her that there wasn't really anything positive I saw her for. It wasn't until one clip of her livestream I watched and she said something really funny and I thought "she's annoying but she's funny" then a few moments later I asked myself "wait, why exactly is she annoying" and I realized there wasn't really anything wrong with her and she hasn't done anything wrong. I took time to watch more videos of her and she's actually pretty cool. It's scary how clouded your mind can be from something as simple as random people's words. For months i just saw her as annoying and I didn't realize what I was doing at all
It’s simple; they hate her because they love her.
They are all other rival girl group fans. The public loves Wonyoung.