I think we often overlook the more economical choice. I would go for the Hammermill heavier weight 80lb. Great job on this extensive look at a bunch of papers! Lots of work done here; thank you! :)
Thanks Mikki. It was very interesting to try them all, I learned a lot doing this. Like you said, the more expensive papers aren't always the best. The Hammermill 80lb is really good. A lot of marker artists use it. My daughter is the marker artist in the family, and that's her go to. With 250 pages in a pack, it lasts for a looong time! She also has a Canson The Wall sketchbook which she loves, but she saves it for special drawings.
This is Such a Useful video! Thanks for taking the time to share it. After watching this I'm going to try your recommendation of the hammermill paper for now .^_^.
Thank you so much for doing this. This is just what I needed. I'm going to try the Hammermill. It was also good to see how well the no show through pads worked!
the problem im having is feathering/bleeding outside of lines, so after blending an area and putting alot of ink into one area the ink starts to spread. i was using watercolour paper 300gsm coldpressed, i then tried the x press it blending card and it took me forever to get the colour saturated and solid, therfor using alot of ink... can you give me a recommendation of paper to use if im doing a very complicated drawing with lots of blening and small tight areas where i need my markers to not bleed/feather.... :(
Unfortunately, that's one of the characteristics of alcohol markers. I usually try not to color all the way to the lines to allow for that feathering. I don't use a lot of ink when I use markers, so I don't have the problem you have. I think your best bet would be either Canson The Wall, one of my personal favorite, and Crescent Rendr. They are both heavy duty papers for markers. The markers don't even show through them on the other side. I hope this helps.
Glad it was helpful! I don't understand how only a handful of people see those dots. Maybe it's the normal look of a Copic drawing and we're just perfectionists? But I don't see them with the Prismacolor markers or the ProMarkers, and I like that look better. As far as the Xpress paper is concerned, I was not that impressed. I still like the Hammermil better. A much better value.
You're such an amazing artist! Thank you very much for the comparison--the white speckling with Copics drives me crazy too! The only paper I found that doesn't do this is cotton hot-press watercolor paper: instead of white speckles you get the beautiful cotton weave pattern that looks like real artist canvas, and the colors look more brilliant. The problem is even though it's the smoothest watercolor paper, it still feels like it has sharp little teeth that shred up the nibs and because it sucks up so much ink it feels like the nibs dry out and the friction increases, which wears on them even more. Please, did you ever find a better paper for Copics you like? Thank you, good Sandrine!
Thank you very much, Daniel. I haven't looked for another paper to use with Copics. I prefer using other brands of markers that work better with the papers I like.
I think you just sold me on Prismacolor markers.. they're so vibrant. Also, an alternative to Hammermill paper is HP Premium Laser Jet paper. It's 30lb but sooo smooth. It does bleed through but is an affordable alternative and is also great for brush pen lettering (such as tombow brand) and dip pen calligraphy. Thank you for this video, you put a lot of effort and money into it.
Heyy Thanx for this.. But I have a query, is it ok to use Ohuhu (alcohol based) markers on 180 GSM paper? Will it bleed through? Please gimme a reply :)
Ohuhu markers work just like any other alcohol based markers. They will bleed through most papers, they all do. But they might not bleed so much that the ink goes onto the next sheet of paper in your sketchbook. Regardless, you can always put a piece of scrap paper under your drawing so that the ink doesn't make a mess.
Yeah there's a difference in bleeding and ghosting. Sadly all alcohol markers on almost every single paper (with very few exceptions, rendr marker paper may be one for some brands of alcohol markers, but idk about many others) will ghost, and bleed. But ghosting is when it just shows through the backside of the paper. They almost always ghost on almost every paper. But the thicker the paper and/or the better coating on it will help prevent bleeding and ghosting as badly. Bleeding though isn't always going to happen, sometimes only when you're doing tons of layers, heavy handed i.e. letting the tip sit for a while so as the ink just keeps filling the paper, etc. But you can use a piece of acetate, or ohuhu even provides a page protector sheet with each set they sell, it's wonderful, keeps your surfaces safe and clean no matter what paper you use. But ghosting is basically inevitable. Bleedthrough you can prevent in the above mentioned ways.
Which ones would be good to print an image on to color? I’m really just looking for paper that won’t run out of the the lines after just a layer or 2.. I bought a trace pad so paper thin enough to see through possibly? Idk I’m new to alcohol markers.
Thanks for this video, do you have any recs on coloring book that can be appropriate to use with alcohol markers,. I am planning to download a pdf file and then laser print with one of these cardsock papers in the meantime
Most coloring books will be okay as long as they are only printed on one side of the paper. The markers will go right through, so you should put a piece of scrap paper between your pages.
Thanks so much!! Great video, even though it is long. It is a *thorough* review of alcohol marker paper. It's Nov. 2018 and I was able to order 1 ream of the Hammermill Color Copy Digital Cover 80lb from Target for $11 with free shipping. Score! I'm a second-time-around newbie with alcohol markers as I tried Copic several years ago and got very discouraged with my inability to blend, even on what was pricey paper. Sold almost all my copics at the time. Gonna try again with less expensive markers and this Hammermill paper.
I tried to be as thorough as I could, considering the variety of papers out there. I figured it would save someone a bit of money, instead of trying it all like me! My daughter uses the WInsor & Newton Pro-Markers, and loves them. I use the Prismacolor double ended markers. Neither of us like Copic markers much because of those white dots we keep seeing on the paper. I'm still not sure why I see that with the Copics, and no other markers. Weird!
hi, great video. I have a question, i use some regular sketchbook paper and everytime i use my ohuhu alcahol brush tip markers they tend to bleed through the lines, is there any paper thats cheap and not a sketchbook? thanks
Most markers tend to feather on many papers. It's hard to find a paper that doesn't do that. I don't really know of one off the top of my head, especially that's not a sketchbook. Sorry.
I got the X Press It blending card marker paper just this week. Then I saw on another channel that it causes your art work to have little white dots on it. That turned out to be way true for me! I don't understand why anyone wants to buy such a paper. What is up with Copic? So far it seems those white dots show up after layering.
I'm not sure what's causing this. For me Copic markers do that on all sorts of papers, that's why I like using other brands like the ProMarkers or the Prismacolors, which have never done that.
@@Sandrinesgallery That's interesting. Since I already bought the X Press paper, and since I saw some pros on Copics recommending it, I have continued to use it. It seems that with additional layering the dots disappear or maybe they just disappear with a little time. If I give up on X Press, though, I will have to remember to try those other brands. Thanks.
@@loricalass4068 I'll have to try and layer them more to see if I find a difference. Thank you for the tips. If you don't want to spend to much money, the Hammermill works really well and you get a lot of sheets for your $$. Although, again, I'm not too sure with Copics.
I’ve bought the ohuhu markers and they leave white dots as well! I’m so pissed! I wonder which paper to use… I don’t want to buy them all just to test them.
I use accent opaque now but I haven't had any white dots on any of the papers I've used. Hmm. I wonder why, maybe it's the tooth on the papers you've used? Or worn marker tips? No idea but super curious
It really depends on your needs and your budget. It's nice paper for markers, but very thin. It's considered layout paper because you can see throught a little bit, just not as much as tracing paper.
It's good to know, thank you. At the moment my daughter likes using her markers (Ohuhu and Promarkers) with this sketchbook: amzn.to/3ej2A0v. They do show through, but you can put a couple of pages of copy paper or even the plastic sheet that came with your Ohuhu markers, and it should be fine. Markers show through most papers anyway.
Can you elaborate? Why do you say it sucks? It's one I've wanted to test as its such a wonderful price but you're the first I've heard say anything bad about it, if you could explain, I'd be super grateful
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I think we often overlook the more economical choice. I would go for the Hammermill heavier weight 80lb. Great job on this extensive look at a bunch of papers! Lots of work done here; thank you! :)
Thanks Mikki. It was very interesting to try them all, I learned a lot doing this. Like you said, the more expensive papers aren't always the best. The Hammermill 80lb is really good. A lot of marker artists use it. My daughter is the marker artist in the family, and that's her go to. With 250 pages in a pack, it lasts for a looong time! She also has a Canson The Wall sketchbook which she loves, but she saves it for special drawings.
This was incredibly helpful! Thank you so much for sharing!! ❤️
So glad you liked it. :D
This is Such a Useful video! Thanks for taking the time to share it. After watching this I'm going to try your recommendation of the hammermill paper for now .^_^.
Glad I could help.
Thank you so much for doing this. This is just what I needed. I'm going to try the Hammermill. It was also good to see how well the no show through pads worked!
I think you'll like the Hammermill paper. The markers blend really well on it. And if you get the chance, The Wall by Canson is awesome!!
the problem im having is feathering/bleeding outside of lines, so after blending an area and putting alot of ink into one area the ink starts to spread. i was using watercolour paper 300gsm coldpressed, i then tried the x press it blending card and it took me forever to get the colour saturated and solid, therfor using alot of ink... can you give me a recommendation of paper to use if im doing a very complicated drawing with lots of blening and small tight areas where i need my markers to not bleed/feather.... :(
Unfortunately, that's one of the characteristics of alcohol markers. I usually try not to color all the way to the lines to allow for that feathering. I don't use a lot of ink when I use markers, so I don't have the problem you have. I think your best bet would be either Canson The Wall, one of my personal favorite, and Crescent Rendr. They are both heavy duty papers for markers. The markers don't even show through them on the other side. I hope this helps.
those pesky white dots appears in every paper I tried too. Thanks a lot for your video it burst out the perfect Xpress paper myth for me :)
Glad it was helpful! I don't understand how only a handful of people see those dots. Maybe it's the normal look of a Copic drawing and we're just perfectionists? But I don't see them with the Prismacolor markers or the ProMarkers, and I like that look better. As far as the Xpress paper is concerned, I was not that impressed. I still like the Hammermil better. A much better value.
You're such an amazing artist! Thank you very much for the comparison--the white speckling with Copics drives me crazy too! The only paper I found that doesn't do this is cotton hot-press watercolor paper: instead of white speckles you get the beautiful cotton weave pattern that looks like real artist canvas, and the colors look more brilliant. The problem is even though it's the smoothest watercolor paper, it still feels like it has sharp little teeth that shred up the nibs and because it sucks up so much ink it feels like the nibs dry out and the friction increases, which wears on them even more. Please, did you ever find a better paper for Copics you like? Thank you, good Sandrine!
Thank you very much, Daniel. I haven't looked for another paper to use with Copics. I prefer using other brands of markers that work better with the papers I like.
I think you just sold me on Prismacolor markers.. they're so vibrant. Also, an alternative to Hammermill paper is HP Premium Laser Jet paper. It's 30lb but sooo smooth. It does bleed through but is an affordable alternative and is also great for brush pen lettering (such as tombow brand) and dip pen calligraphy. Thank you for this video, you put a lot of effort and money into it.
Thank you for the HP paper tip.
Glad you liked the video.
Heyy Thanx for this.. But I have a query, is it ok to use Ohuhu (alcohol based) markers on 180 GSM paper? Will it bleed through? Please gimme a reply :)
Ohuhu markers work just like any other alcohol based markers. They will bleed through most papers, they all do. But they might not bleed so much that the ink goes onto the next sheet of paper in your sketchbook. Regardless, you can always put a piece of scrap paper under your drawing so that the ink doesn't make a mess.
@@Sandrinesgallery Okk thank you very much.. ;)
Yeah there's a difference in bleeding and ghosting. Sadly all alcohol markers on almost every single paper (with very few exceptions, rendr marker paper may be one for some brands of alcohol markers, but idk about many others) will ghost, and bleed. But ghosting is when it just shows through the backside of the paper. They almost always ghost on almost every paper. But the thicker the paper and/or the better coating on it will help prevent bleeding and ghosting as badly. Bleeding though isn't always going to happen, sometimes only when you're doing tons of layers, heavy handed i.e. letting the tip sit for a while so as the ink just keeps filling the paper, etc. But you can use a piece of acetate, or ohuhu even provides a page protector sheet with each set they sell, it's wonderful, keeps your surfaces safe and clean no matter what paper you use. But ghosting is basically inevitable. Bleedthrough you can prevent in the above mentioned ways.
@@unboundbytiffany Oh thankss for this!
I really appreciate your review- thank you! This video comparison is perfect 👌🏾 XoFaith
I'm glad I could help.
Which ones would be good to print an image on to color? I’m really just looking for paper that won’t run out of the the lines after just a layer or 2.. I bought a trace pad so paper thin enough to see through possibly? Idk I’m new to alcohol markers.
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're asking. I haven't tried these papers with a printer.
Well the thinner ones should at least go through the printer. Not sure about printer ink though.
Thanks for this video, do you have any recs on coloring book that can be appropriate to use with alcohol markers,.
I am planning to download a pdf file and then laser print with one of these cardsock papers in the meantime
Most coloring books will be okay as long as they are only printed on one side of the paper. The markers will go right through, so you should put a piece of scrap paper between your pages.
@@Sandrinesgallery thanks!
Wait i dont understand can anyone explain please? Shall i use that thick copy paper? Like a normal paper just thicker?
Yes! It's awesome, you really should try and enjoy the savings.
@@Sandrinesgallery thank you so much! ^-^
@@eeveekiwi2005 You bet.
Thanks so much!! Great video, even though it is long. It is a *thorough* review of alcohol marker paper. It's Nov. 2018 and I was able to order 1 ream of the Hammermill Color Copy Digital Cover 80lb from Target for $11 with free shipping. Score! I'm a second-time-around newbie with alcohol markers as I tried Copic several years ago and got very discouraged with my inability to blend, even on what was pricey paper. Sold almost all my copics at the time. Gonna try again with less expensive markers and this Hammermill paper.
I tried to be as thorough as I could, considering the variety of papers out there. I figured it would save someone a bit of money, instead of trying it all like me!
My daughter uses the WInsor & Newton Pro-Markers, and loves them. I use the Prismacolor double ended markers. Neither of us like Copic markers much because of those white dots we keep seeing on the paper. I'm still not sure why I see that with the Copics, and no other markers. Weird!
hi, great video. I have a question, i use some regular sketchbook paper and everytime i use my ohuhu alcahol brush tip markers they tend to bleed through the lines, is there any paper thats cheap and not a sketchbook? thanks
Most markers tend to feather on many papers. It's hard to find a paper that doesn't do that. I don't really know of one off the top of my head, especially that's not a sketchbook. Sorry.
Thank you so much, this video helped me a lot :)
Glad it helped!
I also have seen these white dots but only when I used a specific skin tone . It’s really weird
Very strange. I only have a few Copic markers, maybe the other ones don't do it. Who knows?
Strangely I never had that problem with Copic Markers.
Great advice. Thank you for sharing.....
Thank you, glad it helps.
I'm getting the hammermill 100lb hope it's not too thick cause well I sketch and then I trace it so is it not that thick?
There's not a big difference between the 2 thicknesses.
sandrinesgallery Ahhhh ok thank you
I got the X Press It blending card marker paper just this week. Then I saw on another channel that it causes your art work to have little white dots on it. That turned out to be way true for me! I don't understand why anyone wants to buy such a paper. What is up with Copic? So far it seems those white dots show up after layering.
Lorica Lass same :/
@@yohairomedina Thanks for showing it's not just me. I do see that the dots go away with, later, layering. So far.
I'm not sure what's causing this. For me Copic markers do that on all sorts of papers, that's why I like using other brands like the ProMarkers or the Prismacolors, which have never done that.
@@Sandrinesgallery That's interesting. Since I already bought the X Press paper, and since I saw some pros on Copics recommending it, I have continued to use it.
It seems that with additional layering the dots disappear or maybe they just disappear with a little time. If I give up on X Press, though, I will have to remember to try those other brands. Thanks.
@@loricalass4068 I'll have to try and layer them more to see if I find a difference. Thank you for the tips.
If you don't want to spend to much money, the Hammermill works really well and you get a lot of sheets for your $$. Although, again, I'm not too sure with Copics.
Thank you for this video!!
Thank you for watching. :D
Beautiful name
Would using 220gsm card stock be okay?
It's not necessarily about the thickness, but rather how smooth your paper is.
Personally I own copic markers but I have never seen the white dots or gotten to experience a pool so that’s weird
Weird indeed as I know that many people have experienced the same thing I did and many others haven't.
Neither have I!
I’ve bought the ohuhu markers and they leave white dots as well! I’m so pissed! I wonder which paper to use… I don’t want to buy them all just to test them.
I'm sorry to hear that. I have some and never had a problem with them.
I use accent opaque now but I haven't had any white dots on any of the papers I've used. Hmm. I wonder why, maybe it's the tooth on the papers you've used? Or worn marker tips? No idea but super curious
Is canson xl marker pad worth buying
It really depends on your needs and your budget. It's nice paper for markers, but very thin. It's considered layout paper because you can see throught a little bit, just not as much as tracing paper.
Hey is mixed media paper good too?
It would work but it tends to absorb more ink as this kind of paper is also good for water media.
Best paper review video ever! I bought the bianyo marker paper and it sucks! Don’t ever buy this!
It's good to know, thank you. At the moment my daughter likes using her markers (Ohuhu and Promarkers) with this sketchbook: amzn.to/3ej2A0v. They do show through, but you can put a couple of pages of copy paper or even the plastic sheet that came with your Ohuhu markers, and it should be fine. Markers show through most papers anyway.
Can you elaborate? Why do you say it sucks? It's one I've wanted to test as its such a wonderful price but you're the first I've heard say anything bad about it, if you could explain, I'd be super grateful
Are Ohuhu Markers alcohol Markers?
Yes, they are.
I've never tried them, but like Little Bumblebees said, I'm pretty sure they are.
@@Sandrinesgallery Thank you😀
I never had that problem with Copic markers.
Alcohol markers aren't the same as copic, from what I understand
@@beautycool861 wat?... Copic markers ARE alcohol markers.