Great vid as usual George. I bought my treatment from GIK and they were awesome. I sent them a picture of my room along with measurements and they sorted it all out. I could have at that point taken their info and gone the DIY route, but I was fortunate enough to be able to just go ahead and have them build them for me. Great folks and gave me multiple options both within and slightly outside of my budget so that I knew what my options were for "this will get you started really well" and "buy this and never worry again in that space."
I noticed moving my desk against a shorter wall gave me better results as well. This brought a lot of insight into how and if my room should be treated, as well as giving me pointers on where my problem areas may be. Will definitely continue to reference this video any time I move into a new room or house or even just rearrange my room.
I feel like you’ve finally explained this in a way that I understand and could actually work with. I’m currently mixing on headphones though as I don’t have a space I can work with or treat, and I don’t have any good monitors yet. I’ll definitely watch this video again when I do eventually set up a monitor setup.
Great and clear explanation George, I agree 100% about investing in acoustic treatment before you start to buy plugins or more gear if you want to work properly into the mixing/mastering scenarios
Really useful as always! For future videos, I'd love to know how you'd deal with windows, if it's better to have them in the front/rear/lateral walls, if installing an specific type of curtain would help, etc. Soon I'll be building a home studio in a spare room and I would like it to be as pro as possible for mixing.
You've got the speaker distance from the front wall theory backwards. Having the speakers close to the front wall shifts the null higher up the frequency spectrum where you can more easily absorb it with a thinner porous absorber than if it were a lower frequency. If you move the speakers out too far, your null will be in a range where the SBIR will be hard to absorb at the front wall.
There's many comercial pro studios where speakers are placed facing the long wall & it's OK! In my studio I found that facing the short wall reduce the bottom end so you can't actually hear it.
I might have to try adjusting the distance from the wall. I have this nasty 200Hz peak as well as lacking bass in my listening position and I haven't figured out why, so it might be worth a try.
Today I learned ... My desk is in the wrong place in my room, and that I am actually sat too close to my monitors. Sadly I'm literally against the longest possible wall of an L shape, due to space restrictions of this also being my bedroom.
Great video George always love your vids, just curious do you have your stands filled with anything, I’ve had my speaker stands for a while and I’ve never filled them. What do you recommend and/or not ?
Hey George, great video as always. I was wondering if you had any advice on how the desk and something like a computer screen can affect your speakers as well. I bought a bigger desk and also raised my computer screen so it's now head height and I feel like these two changes affected the way my monitors sound in a negative way. Does it all just come down to compromising at the end of the day rather than chasing the perfect sound out of your setup? Thanks
With regards to desks. Any mass between you and the speakers will effect the sound that reaches you. That’s the trade off sadly. Some desks are better are handling these compromises than others. To check. Put a mirror on your desk and slide it around. Any time you can see your speakers, this shows a reflection point. Re screen. If it’s cutting the ‘line of sight’ from the speaker to you. It’s likely sound will be bouncing off of it. Good luck!
@@seybsnilksz yes and no. Angle of the desk helps most of all and material. You’ll ‘hear’ what’s happening as you become familiar to the shift. It’ll feel like you can hear a phaser as you move your head back n forth.
i made a mistake with my choice of speakers..they are just too big for my room (t7vs from adam) , since my room is 4x2 meters. low end kills me..i need some low end treatment..also i have them in smaller angle towards me since there is so little space (around 15 degrees ) .
How do I best treat a room where there's no space to move the desk, no possibility to tamper with the walls/ceiling (banging holes and stuff), and the room isn't very permanent?
This is interesting because, even though these theoretical optimal measurements are probably correct, the truly optimal room for listening should be no room (as in hanging a kilometer up in the air) as then there would be no room interaction. That would suggest that placing the speakers as far away from boundaries in as big a room as possible would be better than, say this 60cm rule?
How many people have the luxury of selecting a large space, treating it effectively and selecting speakers that are powerful enough in order to fill that room? I could talk about this, but it would be completely alienating and hard to related to for the majority of those that sub to this channel. I'm sure there is another 'acceptable' zone for distance from the front wall after the 60cm rule, I simply don't know it. Feel free to fact check me, I got some of this information from a gentleman that does installations for Genelec when in large format studios. - Cheers! G
These are Soffit mounted speakers. Because they've become part of the boundary wall they're free from / less effected by SBIR. This is typically done with a set of mid / farfield speakers where as what the majority of us use are called nearfields.
It would be nice to have a pro come in a fiddle around with my room, but man, I can't even imagine what someone who really knows their shit would cost.
Sub is very tricky and is still effected by placement in relation to the mains (unless there is on board DSP that can alter its timing). Although Sub is omnidirectional, it is still effected by the modal responses and constraints of the room.
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Great vid as usual George. I bought my treatment from GIK and they were awesome. I sent them a picture of my room along with measurements and they sorted it all out. I could have at that point taken their info and gone the DIY route, but I was fortunate enough to be able to just go ahead and have them build them for me. Great folks and gave me multiple options both within and slightly outside of my budget so that I knew what my options were for "this will get you started really well" and "buy this and never worry again in that space."
I noticed moving my desk against a shorter wall gave me better results as well. This brought a lot of insight into how and if my room should be treated, as well as giving me pointers on where my problem areas may be. Will definitely continue to reference this video any time I move into a new room or house or even just rearrange my room.
I feel like you’ve finally explained this in a way that I understand and could actually work with. I’m currently mixing on headphones though as I don’t have a space I can work with or treat, and I don’t have any good monitors yet.
I’ll definitely watch this video again when I do eventually set up a monitor setup.
Interesting I thought setting up against the longest wall minimized reflections. I'll have to try it the other way around
This is gold mine of info. 2-3 years of forum research plus furthermore in this single video. I wish this video was out a couple of years back.
George being golden as always
Great and clear explanation George, I agree 100% about investing in acoustic treatment before you start to buy plugins or more gear if you want to work properly into the mixing/mastering scenarios
This is exceptionally well done.
Really useful as always! For future videos, I'd love to know how you'd deal with windows, if it's better to have them in the front/rear/lateral walls, if installing an specific type of curtain would help, etc. Soon I'll be building a home studio in a spare room and I would like it to be as pro as possible for mixing.
This was very helpful and to the point. Thank you!
You've got the speaker distance from the front wall theory backwards. Having the speakers close to the front wall shifts the null higher up the frequency spectrum where you can more easily absorb it with a thinner porous absorber than if it were a lower frequency. If you move the speakers out too far, your null will be in a range where the SBIR will be hard to absorb at the front wall.
Succinct, incredibly useful information.
Thanks George.
There's many comercial pro studios where speakers are placed facing the long wall & it's OK! In my studio I found that facing the short wall reduce the bottom end so you can't actually hear it.
I might have to try adjusting the distance from the wall. I have this nasty 200Hz peak as well as lacking bass in my listening position and I haven't figured out why, so it might be worth a try.
Today I learned ... My desk is in the wrong place in my room, and that I am actually sat too close to my monitors. Sadly I'm literally against the longest possible wall of an L shape, due to space restrictions of this also being my bedroom.
Great video George always love your vids, just curious do you have your stands filled with anything, I’ve had my speaker stands for a while and I’ve never filled them. What do you recommend and/or not ?
Kiln dried sand is what I have in mine. Some people like to use volcanic sand too :)
Hey George, great video as always. I was wondering if you had any advice on how the desk and something like a computer screen can affect your speakers as well. I bought a bigger desk and also raised my computer screen so it's now head height and I feel like these two changes affected the way my monitors sound in a negative way. Does it all just come down to compromising at the end of the day rather than chasing the perfect sound out of your setup? Thanks
With regards to desks. Any mass between you and the speakers will effect the sound that reaches you. That’s the trade off sadly. Some desks are better are handling these compromises than others. To check. Put a mirror on your desk and slide it around. Any time you can see your speakers, this shows a reflection point.
Re screen. If it’s cutting the ‘line of sight’ from the speaker to you. It’s likely sound will be bouncing off of it.
Good luck!
@@GeorgeLeverG1 Will more clutter on the desk diffuse the reflections and effectively be of benefit to the sound?
@@seybsnilksz yes and no. Angle of the desk helps most of all and material. You’ll ‘hear’ what’s happening as you become familiar to the shift. It’ll feel like you can hear a phaser as you move your head back n forth.
i made a mistake with my choice of speakers..they are just too big for my room (t7vs from adam) , since my room is 4x2 meters. low end kills me..i need some low end treatment..also i have them in smaller angle towards me since there is so little space (around 15 degrees ) .
Class... This was so good. Thanks
Love stuff like this, thanks!
Jesco Lohan - Acoustic Insider
Great stuff! George, if you don’t mind sharing, what’s the brand and model of your eyeglasses? Cheers!
Oakly? maybe... I don't know. I wasn't paying attention.
How do I best treat a room where there's no space to move the desk, no possibility to tamper with the walls/ceiling (banging holes and stuff), and the room isn't very permanent?
Use headphones until you can get yourself to a better space
This is interesting because, even though these theoretical optimal measurements are probably correct, the truly optimal room for listening should be no room (as in hanging a kilometer up in the air) as then there would be no room interaction. That would suggest that placing the speakers as far away from boundaries in as big a room as possible would be better than, say this 60cm rule?
How many people have the luxury of selecting a large space, treating it effectively and selecting speakers that are powerful enough in order to fill that room? I could talk about this, but it would be completely alienating and hard to related to for the majority of those that sub to this channel. I'm sure there is another 'acceptable' zone for distance from the front wall after the 60cm rule, I simply don't know it. Feel free to fact check me, I got some of this information from a gentleman that does installations for Genelec when in large format studios. - Cheers! G
True, not many for sure. Just thinking about the science behind the theory.
What about mix rooms that have the speakers in the walls?
These are Soffit mounted speakers. Because they've become part of the boundary wall they're free from / less effected by SBIR. This is typically done with a set of mid / farfield speakers where as what the majority of us use are called nearfields.
It would be nice to have a pro come in a fiddle around with my room, but man, I can't even imagine what someone who really knows their shit would cost.
What are the monitors in the thumbnail?
Amphion One18
Frikken brilliant!
So how important is this in the grand scheme of things, because it seems like a whole lot of trouble for hardly any tangible benefit
Important enough and it’s further accentuated with acoustic treatment.
How important is a a reasonably accurate critical listening environment for mixing?
Fairly important.
How does that apply to setting up a sub in your room (given that the bass is omnidirectional)?
Sub is very tricky and is still effected by placement in relation to the mains (unless there is on board DSP that can alter its timing). Although Sub is omnidirectional, it is still effected by the modal responses and constraints of the room.
oposite is the true , closer the speaker to front wall the higher the dip will be and you can much easily treat it..