yeah i honestly didn’t really care for her character and wish she sortve just went back to being a DA after Season 4 but i guess for some reason they wanted her to actually be important to the story when it’s not really necessary
@@funnydude308 Idk man. It doesn’t really seem like she adds much to the team. I get it they had to throw her in because the actor that played Ralph Dibney got hit with the Cancel Culture Hammer and got fired but like Cecile isn’t a good replacement. She’s not as charismatic at Ralph. Now i know ur gonna say it’s not fair to compare her to Ralph okay fine. Then lemme ask you this What has Cecile really done in The Flash? What’s her role? I mean we got Barry (the main hero) Cisco and Chester (the guy in the chair) Iris (the love interest and sometimes the woman in the chair) Joe (the cop sortve like the Jim Gordon of The Flash) Caitlin (the doctor that helps Flash when he gets a boo boo) And then we have Cecile. Mind reader. Although wait at first she can hear thoughts but then for some reason the writers changed her powers to only be emotional thoughts. And also what value does Cecile really bring to Team Flash? Now back to Ralph for a second. At least Ralph had charisma, he had a great story where a washed out cop gets redemption and becomes a superhero called The Elongated Man. Like that’s cool as shit! Meanwhile we have Cecile. Just so we can have another black female other than Iris 🤔 yeahhh idk man. Like seriously tho what has Cecile really done for Team Flash? Maybe i’m wrong and you know something i don’t know. It’s been a minute since i’ve watched the Flash and the later seasons are kind of a blur to me. So please. Educate me if i’m wrong
@@billygregory1547 My theory is that Cecile wasn't supposed to get this much main character focus. The pregnancy storyline was SUPPOSED to go to Iris West but since the audience hated her and wished for her death in S3, they gave everything they would've done for Iris to Cecile post S4 hence why they forgot to develop Iris as a journalist. The Forces storyline in S7 are supposed to be Nora and Bart as kids beginning to get their powers. Remember they cannot introduce child actors if the fandom is TOXIC - Jake Lloyd
@luciusvik7294 you say that knowing flash can literally steal your momentum and make you a breathing statue,there's also reverse flash and godspeed. Tell me you don't watch the show and just felt like complaining lol
I hate that they retconned her powers, had her say "I'm not a mind reader, CHester", and expected us not to noticed. The writers really lost their minds after season 4.
Her pregnancy is what caused her powers to activate and giving birth is what made them fluctuate. So when Cecile had the baby she lost almost all her powers and had to regain them. Her powers then got boosted by the sage force + all psychics in the city. Her using the mask allowed her to tap into her powers further and become virtue.
@@cyanidiot6377 It still doesn’t make sense because we see in this video that when she gained her powers back after she had Jenna she was still a mind reader. Then they randomly switched to empath out of nowhere.
I actually love Cecile Horton, she has both natural chemistry with Team Flash and she brings motherly energy/personality to the group. Plus she and Joe West are very nice together but I think he should have proposed earlier before season 9. But I digress. I know Barry never mentioned it, if Joe was a second dad to him, Cecile would probably the closest thing he would have to a second mom.
The writing went wrong after season four. It's like we forgot about certain things. I am still debating about rewatching flash after the show ended. I have rewatched arrow, Supergirl, legends of tomorrow, even black lightning of all seasons. The flash is hard for me because somewhere the writers lost there focus. Don't get me wrong the other shows lost focus at some point but the groundwork of the show did not change
Yeah it would’ve been better if they did a cut Have them run into the room than cut to a scene where the cameraman is in the room of them shutting the door and while they are shutting the door cut back to outside the door of them shutting the door in the cameraman’s face. I hope that made sense
They just had to give everyone a corny ass suit just like they did in supergirl. Why could they just leave her as a regular damn person? I’m pretty sure they considered giving Joe a suit at some point 😅
Not gonna lie I've always been a stickler to everyone having power or some type of ability but it was for certain characters,like supergirl & The false to that away ,like they should had kept her only at empty or telepathy. And should have Cj somehow developed that portal thing into something.
I still cannot believe she is Shaundi in Saints Row. I liked Cecile because she was like Joe. An ordinary human that puts up with the insanity of superpowers time travel and the multiverse. But then they OP’d her to the point she was the equivalent of Jean Grey.
Y'all do realize that Raven from Teen Titans is both an Empath and a Telepath right? There was no retconning here, they just decided to give her character more development...
My theory is that Cecile wasn't supposed to get this much main character focus. The pregnancy storyline was SUPPOSED to go to Iris West but since the audience hated her and wished for her death in S3, they gave everything they would've done for Iris to Cecile post S4 hence why they forgot to develop Iris as a journalist. The Forces storyline in S7 are supposed to be Nora and Bart as kids beginning to get their powers. Remember they cannot introduce child actors if the fandom is TOXIC - Jake Lloyd
I really dislike how Cecil became so involved in the main cast. She's not the only one but why do they do this. It especially ot bad in the final seasons. With characters like Chester, his girlfriend ( can't remember her name) and of course Cecil.
I didn’t mind Cecile having more importance and given storylines, but she basically became the main character of the show at certain points. It was so irritating!
@@TJUC123 My theory is that Cecile wasn't supposed to get this much main character focus. The pregnancy storyline was SUPPOSED to go to Iris West but since the audience hated her and wished for her death in S3, they gave everything they would've done for Iris to Cecile post S4 hence why they forgot to develop Iris as a journalist. The Forces storyline in S7 are supposed to be Nora and Bart as kids beginning to get their powers. Remember they cannot introduce child actors if the fandom is TOXIC - Jake Lloyd
Why did they randomly change her powers to empathy I rlly liked how she could read minds plus I kinda hate how she turned into a super hero she was a nice addition to the team just not as a hero in my opinion she was a good one but still
i have to say…HOW TF DID SHE END UP WITH HER FUTURE VIRTUE SUIT IN THE PRESENT?! i guess thats another plothole to add to the list of plotholes this tv multiverse has. EDIT: I still love the shows, just sometimes can’t get over the plotholes.
My theory is that Cecile wasn't supposed to get this much main character focus. The pregnancy storyline was SUPPOSED to go to Iris West but since the audience hated her and wished for her death in S3, they gave everything they would've done for Iris to Cecile post S4 hence why they forgot to develop Iris as a journalist. The Forces storyline in S7 are supposed to be Nora and Bart as kids beginning to get their powers. Remember they cannot introduce child actors if the fandom is TOXIC - Jake Lloyd
The fans were the real problem. My theory is that Cecile wasn't supposed to get this much main character focus. The pregnancy storyline was SUPPOSED to go to Iris West but since the audience hated her and wished for her death in S3, they gave everything they would've done for Iris to Cecile post S4 hence why they forgot to develop Iris as a journalist. The Forces storyline in S7 are supposed to be Nora and Bart as kids beginning to get their powers. Remember they cannot introduce child actors if the fandom is TOXIC - Jake Lloyd
I still think that iris should have gotten powers as well as seen her having a child earlier and then kept Cecile as one of the side characters who still helped the flash in battle every once in a blue moon and I feel like irises powers would be a mix between ciscos and mirror masters except she makes metal objects and travels through metal portals I feel like that would be such a good power for her seeing as she could do what mirror master could
@M4r30np4wz Or just make Iris a speedster as well since she was already one in the powers switch episode and the flash family episode when Speed Force gave her powers
If always made me mad how they changed her powers from telepathy to empathy and acted like we just didn’t notice.
yeah i honestly didn’t really care for her character and wish she sortve just went back to being a DA after Season 4 but i guess for some reason they wanted her to actually be important to the story when it’s not really necessary
@@billygregory1547bs what wrong with her character
@@funnydude308 Idk man. It doesn’t really seem like she adds much to the team. I get it they had to throw her in because the actor that played Ralph Dibney got hit with the Cancel Culture Hammer and got fired but like Cecile isn’t a good replacement. She’s not as charismatic at Ralph. Now i know ur gonna say it’s not fair to compare her to Ralph okay fine. Then lemme ask you this
What has Cecile really done in The Flash?
What’s her role?
I mean we got Barry (the main hero)
Cisco and Chester (the guy in the chair)
Iris (the love interest and sometimes the woman in the chair)
Joe (the cop sortve like the Jim Gordon of The Flash)
Caitlin (the doctor that helps Flash when he gets a boo boo)
And then we have Cecile.
Mind reader. Although wait at first she can hear thoughts but then for some reason the writers changed her powers to only be emotional thoughts. And also what value does Cecile really bring to Team Flash?
Now back to Ralph for a second. At least Ralph had charisma, he had a great story where a washed out cop gets redemption and becomes a superhero called The Elongated Man. Like that’s cool as shit!
Meanwhile we have Cecile. Just so we can have another black female other than Iris 🤔 yeahhh idk man. Like seriously tho what has Cecile really done for Team Flash? Maybe i’m wrong and you know something i don’t know. It’s been a minute since i’ve watched the Flash and the later seasons are kind of a blur to me. So please. Educate me if i’m wrong
@@billygregory1547 My theory is that Cecile wasn't supposed to get this much main character focus. The pregnancy storyline was SUPPOSED to go to Iris West but since the audience hated her and wished for her death in S3, they gave everything they would've done for Iris to Cecile post S4 hence why they forgot to develop Iris as a journalist. The Forces storyline in S7 are supposed to be Nora and Bart as kids beginning to get their powers. Remember they cannot introduce child actors if the fandom is TOXIC - Jake Lloyd
It was due to the pregnancy
Side note, the actress playing Cecil is absolutely gorgeous
Meta-human Physiology:
1. Telepathy - 0:03
2. (Skill): High-Level Intellect - 1:36
3. Empathy - 2:29
4. Pathokinesis - 7:17
5. (Equipment): Thinker's Hoverchair - 7:56
6. Eye Transformation - 8:57
7. (Weakness): Mass Dread - 9:44
8. Mental Detection - 10:21
9. Energy Projection - 11:19
10. Power Absorption - 15:22
11. (Equipment): Psych's Mask - 16:58
12. Telekinesis - 17:09
13. Chronoskimming - 20:57
14. (Equipment): Virtue Suit - 21:14
15. Flight - 21:48
She's basically over power for no reason. Everyone else stays with one power but for her she gets so much more.
@luciusvik7294 you say that knowing flash can literally steal your momentum and make you a breathing statue,there's also reverse flash and godspeed. Tell me you don't watch the show and just felt like complaining lol
The show is dumb I don't blame them for not watching @@shoken4421
I hate that they retconned her powers, had her say "I'm not a mind reader, CHester", and expected us not to noticed. The writers really lost their minds after season 4.
Her pregnancy is what caused her powers to activate and giving birth is what made them fluctuate. So when Cecile had the baby she lost almost all her powers and had to regain them. Her powers then got boosted by the sage force + all psychics in the city. Her using the mask allowed her to tap into her powers further and become virtue.
@jeannguyen3199 They do that a lot unfortunately
It made me so mad!!!!
@@cyanidiot6377 It still doesn’t make sense because we see in this video that when she gained her powers back after she had Jenna she was still a mind reader. Then they randomly switched to empath out of nowhere.
@@TJUC123 yeah ikr
I actually love Cecile Horton, she has both natural chemistry with Team Flash and she brings motherly energy/personality to the group. Plus she and Joe West are very nice together but I think he should have proposed earlier before season 9. But I digress. I know Barry never mentioned it, if Joe was a second dad to him, Cecile would probably the closest thing he would have to a second mom.
The writing went wrong after season four. It's like we forgot about certain things. I am still debating about rewatching flash after the show ended. I have rewatched arrow, Supergirl, legends of tomorrow, even black lightning of all seasons. The flash is hard for me because somewhere the writers lost there focus. Don't get me wrong the other shows lost focus at some point but the groundwork of the show did not change
Yeah she had way more character development. It was fine when she was a mind reader and a mother. Also i love how we forgot about her eldest daughter
Love how we forgot Jenna, her youngest daughter
I don't remember her empathic power evolving to all that. I guess I should of kept watching it.
5:52 They kept the door open for the camera man lol
Yeah it would’ve been better if they did a cut
Have them run into the room than cut to a scene where the cameraman is in the room of them shutting the door and while they are shutting the door cut back to outside the door of them shutting the door in the cameraman’s face.
I hope that made sense
They just had to give everyone a corny ass suit just like they did in supergirl. Why could they just leave her as a regular damn person? I’m pretty sure they considered giving Joe a suit at some point 😅
Agreed 😂
Not gonna lie I've always been a stickler to everyone having power or some type of ability but it was for certain characters,like supergirl & The false to that away ,like they should had kept her only at empty or telepathy. And should have Cj somehow developed that portal thing into something.
I still cannot believe she is Shaundi in Saints Row. I liked Cecile because she was like Joe. An ordinary human that puts up with the insanity of superpowers time travel and the multiverse. But then they OP’d her to the point she was the equivalent of Jean Grey.
I first saw her in the 90s in that Jackson 5 TV movie with Angela Bassett
didn't include cisco's best line. HE'S THE CUTIEST ONE OF ALL
“Staplers, she’s been stealing them out of her office for months now! She damn near cleaned out the supply closet!”
Y'all do realize that Raven from Teen Titans is both an Empath and a Telepath right? There was no retconning here, they just decided to give her character more development...
She literally said “I’m not a mind reader” and only used empathy.
They retconned it
I want an action figure of her ASAP.
I loved her as catwoman
So she pretty much became Jean Grey lol
5:19 which episode was this? Someone help me out!
seems like they developed her character more than the flash.
My theory is that Cecile wasn't supposed to get this much main character focus. The pregnancy storyline was SUPPOSED to go to Iris West but since the audience hated her and wished for her death in S3, they gave everything they would've done for Iris to Cecile post S4 hence why they forgot to develop Iris as a journalist. The Forces storyline in S7 are supposed to be Nora and Bart as kids beginning to get their powers. Remember they cannot introduce child actors if the fandom is TOXIC - Jake Lloyd
Way to go she is good
21:29 mistress strange
I really dislike how Cecil became so involved in the main cast. She's not the only one but why do they do this. It especially ot bad in the final seasons. With characters like Chester, his girlfriend ( can't remember her name) and of course Cecil.
I didn’t mind Cecile having more importance and given storylines, but she basically became the main character of the show at certain points. It was so irritating!
@@TJUC123 My theory is that Cecile wasn't supposed to get this much main character focus. The pregnancy storyline was SUPPOSED to go to Iris West but since the audience hated her and wished for her death in S3, they gave everything they would've done for Iris to Cecile post S4 hence why they forgot to develop Iris as a journalist. The Forces storyline in S7 are supposed to be Nora and Bart as kids beginning to get their powers. Remember they cannot introduce child actors if the fandom is TOXIC - Jake Lloyd
Her powers are nice. She could be Goddess Athena.
Didn't she get her powers from jenna why didnt they ever show jenna use her power or come from the future to help out.
Why did they randomly change her powers to empathy I rlly liked how she could read minds plus I kinda hate how she turned into a super hero she was a nice addition to the team just not as a hero in my opinion she was a good one but still
Damn did Cecile ruin your days that bad💀
I'm sorry but... Who is this character???
i have to say…HOW TF DID SHE END UP WITH HER FUTURE VIRTUE SUIT IN THE PRESENT?! i guess thats another plothole to add to the list of plotholes this tv multiverse has.
EDIT: I still love the shows, just sometimes can’t get over the plotholes.
Cecile is so 🥵
Wish she was still a side character
My theory is that Cecile wasn't supposed to get this much main character focus. The pregnancy storyline was SUPPOSED to go to Iris West but since the audience hated her and wished for her death in S3, they gave everything they would've done for Iris to Cecile post S4 hence why they forgot to develop Iris as a journalist. The Forces storyline in S7 are supposed to be Nora and Bart as kids beginning to get their powers. Remember they cannot introduce child actors if the fandom is TOXIC - Jake Lloyd
Is she a anti-hero or a hero?🤔
A hero
Barely-hero
Pokémon and vixen 😂
MOTHER
Cecile was the WORST!!!!!!! She was one of this things that killed the show!
No she wasn't lol
She wasn’t really the worst
flop
The fans were the real problem. My theory is that Cecile wasn't supposed to get this much main character focus. The pregnancy storyline was SUPPOSED to go to Iris West but since the audience hated her and wished for her death in S3, they gave everything they would've done for Iris to Cecile post S4 hence why they forgot to develop Iris as a journalist. The Forces storyline in S7 are supposed to be Nora and Bart as kids beginning to get their powers. Remember they cannot introduce child actors if the fandom is TOXIC - Jake Lloyd
I still think that iris should have gotten powers as well as seen her having a child earlier and then kept Cecile as one of the side characters who still helped the flash in battle every once in a blue moon and I feel like irises powers would be a mix between ciscos and mirror masters except she makes metal objects and travels through metal portals I feel like that would be such a good power for her seeing as she could do what mirror master could
@M4r30np4wz Or just make Iris a speedster as well since she was already one in the powers switch episode and the flash family episode when Speed Force gave her powers