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I have so many issues with this person. If she didn't grow up in an Italian - American community, her experience and knowledge are not representative of most of us. If her practice of the craft is personal gnosis, this can not be considered Italian - American witchcraft. Now I have agidu.
Angela, I think you would do well to go further & enrich this conversation and dialogue with someone from an Italian American community. So many excellent folks out there. There is 100% an Italian American culture and to say there isn’t is emphatically untrue and reductionist at best.
Love your videos Angela. And to reiterate what many have said here already I'm guessing, yes there is an Italian-American culture. Especially in big cities like New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Cleveland (where I'm from originally), and on the West Coast San Francisco. Growing up, we would go down to Little Italy on Cleveland's East Side every August for the Feast of the Assumption. My great-grandparents (bisnonni) had moved there from different parts of Sicily in the early 1900's, met and married. My grandfather was born in the bedroom of the house they lived in, his sister in a different house in the neighborhood, and his brother in another. That's how closely tied the community was. Cleveland's West Side, where I grew up, was ethnically Slavic in the majority so I had kids ask me all the time in school if my family was in the Mafia (🙄🤌), and what the Hell was I eating when I would bring things like eggplant parmigiana sandwiches for lunch. My grandfather was a member of the Order Sons of Italy, a National Italian-American Charitable Society, in which he was awarded the highest civilian award by the Italian government in the 1960's (Cavaliere), when he made sure that health insurance would be attainable by Italians immigrating to the U.S. through the Order Sons of Italy. Our heritage has continued to have a strong influence on my family, and I've been to Sicilia and met my cousins who have moved from the little mountain village that my great-grandfather grew up in, Longi, down to the beautiful coastal city of Capo d'Orlando. One thing to remember though if you do happen to come to the U.S. and visit one of our Italian communities... please remember when sampling the food that our Italian-American culture is derived as you said, from our grandparents and great-grandparents that came mostly from Southern Italy and Sicily in the early 1900's. So please don't blow it off as "not Italian" as I've seen some young Italians visiting TH-camrs do. Things were very different for them not only back in Italy, but they then had to make do with what they could find here. 🙂
This is a really interesting conversation. Thanks to Frankie for sharing. Also, Angela's eyeshadow looks are always so good. Also, as the Austro-Hungarian empire was brought up, I'd like to say that the political structure of it was quite weird. Between the Great Compromise of 1867 and its collapse in 1918, it was sort of two separate countries, one Austrian and one Hungarian, and also kind of a single country with certain shared political functions and budgets.
Interesting! This doesn't really match my views as an Italian American, but then again, I am in a "pocket", as she says. Edit to add: My practice centers around healing, nature, and kitchen magic, and my great grandmother busied herself with countering the malocchio above all.
Yep, fellow “pocket” American. This girl is full of crap. It’s understandable that Angela doesn’t understand as she’s from Italy. This girl is from Colorado, she has no idea.
I am so excited to see this collaboration between you two!! Just watched your interview on Frankie's channel. Great conversation. Can't wait to get stuck into this one too! 🖤
55th to like. Thank you for the illuminating discussion! I miss having conversations with practitioners. Vicarious enjoyment is not a bad replacement. Great questions as always. Much love!
Watched both of these videos back to back, I follow your both content with much enthusiasm. Loved the different approaches in the videos and I definitely think a study on how Italian folk magic evolved when and where Italians migrated would be very interesting. I also can't wait for you to publish your book! Dr Angela you shared your English suggestions to learn about the Italian folk tradition, may I ask you to share some titles in Italian too? I'd love to read something in my own language for once! Ps: i debated to write you and email or somewhere else but firstly I didn't want to be pushy and second, maybe someone else will be interested also! Great content as usual
I loved Aradia as a child it's Abit disappointing out something I already suspected but didn't want to accept that being it's not historically accurate and was probably made up.i think it still have power as a chain of thought and maybe a egregore. Thank you for your insight into this topic.
In Norway it is tradition to bake 7 types of cookies for Christmas, very few still do though, but there are old folklore about misfortune if one do not bake 7 types of cookies. In Northern Norway fish is eaten as the Christmas Eve dinner. It might be a European thing.
the problem with that way unverified personal Gnosis is this. As an Archaeologist in training I understand what Frankie is saying but I tend to go to the root of the word myth. Mythos literally means spoken/powerful word. It changes with time If we go by what is written we are neglecting its oral history. For example medusa she is seen as an monster by the Ancient Greeks but if we were to adapt her to the modern day she would be seen as a saint/goddess of feminism
Very shallow guest, she should not represent any form of occultism right now, and her view of 'culture,' is terrible, Im a practicing black occultist and after hearing her statement about blck people, I could be offended but I pardon the ignorance. Anyway, I love your channel so much and watch your videos to help with my practice. Shame you had to endure that, lol!!
yeah, her statement that 'white people aren't allowed to have a culture in america' is something i've only heard from the mouths of white supremacists, so kinda sad to hear this girl repeating those similar ideas, lol.
I believe she's just trying to say that European immigrants to America historically gave up their cultures to integrate into "white" America: they stopped transmitting their languages etc.
All seven and we'll watch them fall They stand in the way of love and we will smoke them all With an intellect and a savoir faire No one in the whole universe will ever compare I am yours now and you are mine And together we'll love through all space and time So don't cry One day all seven will die- Prince '7'
The practice of Ancient Greek forms of Witchcraft and Magic (Goetia and Magia) in various places (and by my coven Here in Australia) is something which draws heavily from actual ancient sources, texts and documentation) 😉
In a bookstore in New York City years ago, I purchased a book written by a man named Leo Martello, who said he was a "family tradition" witch, a claim made by many self-professed witches. A person who only works as a medium, that is, says they are able to reach "The Other Side" to communicate with the dead, may not consider themselves to be a witch. One such person who is, I think, fairly well known, who had a cable tv show, denied on one of her programs with some annoyance that she was a witch, because she does not cast spells. In the USA the program was called the "Long Island Medium " and the woman's name is Theresa Caputo.
Unfortunately, very little of the representations of Italian-American or Sicilian-American folk magic/witchcraft accurately represent the actual practices of generational practitioners. People who were never Catholic are wholly unqualified to speak about how Catholic Italian-Americans integrate Catholic folk magic (which is NOT the same as Italian or Sicilian-American folk magic, but is rather intersectional). Just as Segnature more accurately represents the postmodern ethos and evolution of older Italian and Sicilian practices, failing to actually represent the older practices, since older practitioners will not disclose much of our practices, especially to neo-pagans, because neo-paganism is antithetical to our worldview and practice, so too does interviewing a neo-pagan American about practices they are culturally ill-equipped to describe.
My mother's mother's is Italian but I am initiated into Mayombe. Any advice on ancestor veneration for my Italian side of my ancestry like traditional ancestoral offerings?
Interesting that people who want to get back in touch with the spiritual beliefs of their Itallian ancestors would usually think of the Roman Catholic Church as a source of evil.
That comment about "culture is only for black people" really just flew by without challenge. It totally ignores the othering of Italian immigrants that occurred and the effects this had on their descendants. Never heard the old guys growing up refer to themselves as "white." This is like a white suburbanite view of Italian-Americans.
As a third gen. Canadian I feel like I have more in common with other folk practitioners with other cultures than other slavic folk practices of europe
The language barrier and Yugoslavia does not exist anymore. I feel like i am an Yugoslav immigrant not a North Macedonian immigrant because of having a real cultural experience with Macedonia until I was a teenager.
culture shifts to fit the needs of the people living there. Biocultural evolution. human culture changing to fit the needs of the Geography they live in
I love the example of sphagetti meat malls in Italy vs Italian American cooking. Italy has small more numbers of meat balls. While American version has bigger less number of them. Italy has food rationing and it's a festival dish. While American version is more wasteful.
You should interview America greatest witch Christian Day im sure that discussion would be very enlightening it will help you get a pulse for whats really happening in the community. Haha
I disagree with the assertion that American culture is white supremacy. European contributions to American culture often serve to reinforce racial hierarchy, but this is just one ugly element of a rich and diverse cultural expression that is the unfortunate focus of opportunists and those seeking to absolve themselves from white guilt.
One can certainly argue that. Things change over time and through diaspora. But it’s also sort of primarily rooted in Wicca. He (RIP)shouldn’t bill it as Italian witchcraft though, and he does, since it’s not.
You will occassionally hear "I'm Anglo-American" in reference to English heritage. But it's usually assumed to be the default... which is its whole own kettle of fish. But barring that the English settlers are outnumbered by the Scots and Irish they exported.
I have a similar issue to Frankie. I'm probably more English than anything else but my English heritage is just gone. Those settlers were forcibly sent over here around 1650 or so and they apparently did not want to maintain their heritage. They were also poor for a very long time. That even happened to the Irish part of my family. I did not grow up in a Catholic Irish pocket like a lot of my fellow Irish Americans did because my grandparents left Catholicism and seemingly left their whole cultural heritage with it. Even though I know my maternal grandmother's whole family can be traced back to Ireland, I never got much Irish culture passed down. All that was left was the Finnish side passed down from my paternal grandmother and I could see that dying out in a few more generations. My husband doesn't even know his ancestry. His sister took a test to check for genetic issues and it was a big mixed bag with low confidence from the study.
I would like to invite you to the no attic institute for a notable notable or a laudable audible I think you should win some sort of prize from The noetics institute Pacific Northwest tribe and you can tell me about strega
I'm just happy to see someone make an overt distinction between Italian and Italian-American. Sick of seeing (usually white) Americans call themselves "Italian" when they haven't ever even been to Italy, when even their family never has. You're not Italian, your great great great uncle's wife or someone was! You're just American! I'm neither American nor Italian and I find it annoying. Not quite as annoying as the ones who are exactly the same but instead call themselves "Irish." Half the time what they think is an Irish name is Welsh, Scottish or even English. They're always mistaking Welsh names for being Irish or English.
the fact that you're not American explains why you don't understand and this video did nothing to elucidate the use of hyphenated ethnicities in the US. I find it annoying that people outside of the US can't grasp this simple social contract. The use of "Italian" to describe the Italian diaspora was and is used to one; distinguish immigrants in an immigrant society, and second; it was and is used as a term to discriminate against us. Italian Americans cannot dispose of this label whether we consent to it or not. Many times I wished to not be identified as as WOP or guinea or grease monkey etc but Italy won't leave me. We can't wipe the Italian-ness off of ourselves because the dominant culture continues to differentiate us based on our ethnicity. Also, the native people here do not consider us native, but consider us European. Europe and Italy might like to dispose of their diasporas and disregard the fact that North America is a colony, from which all of Europe and Italy has benefitted and continues to benefit from.
@@lisafazio5211 to use a "hyphenated ethnicity" as you call it, one would call themselves Italian-American, which is fine, that's what they are (assuming they actually have Italian ancestry), they're not "Italian". LOL
@@Scrinwaipwr I agree. I'm Italian American, not Italian, but here we are called "Italians" by others who are not Italian American not by my choice. Also, the immigrants, like my grandparents, called themselves Italians and their children and grandchildren. They transferred their own identity many of them went back and forth repeatedly from Italy to the US. Many of us still do. It's not that simple to say "either" / "or". The US is a colony that is made up of people from all over the world who identify in a variety of ways and are identified by others in a variety of ways.
In other words; I didn't wake up one day and so "oh I think I'll start calling myself Italian" and in fact, I changed my last name at one point to avoid being identified as such because it leads to discrimination in terms of jobs and being accepted in Anglo community and the dominant culture.
Nothing quite as annoying as judging multiple entire countries and cultures off of what you see in the internet and tv.....you're "neither American nor Italian", but stating that someone is Italian in the US isn't "quite as annoying as saying their IRISH" - Idk how no one called you out on that wtf yet but we're not all here stomping on the Irish either, none of us except you... how sickening it is to see (usually white) people speaking this way about others. Your own words really suck huh... I didn't have to try at all there.
loved this piece. I've been watching Dr.Puca for sometime, and find her fascinating. As I did most of your conversation. I am an artist who grew up in the post war period, in the area of bensonhurst, brooklyn, NY. writing is not my forte, but I found this piece so interesting, I made this attempt. while I can address many of the issues you both raised, I shall address one. The feast of 7 fishes. I am of sicilian decent, for the most part, and so observed, a group of people holding on to their old Christmas eve traditions, and reflecting their new found wealth, as an excuse to their migration. So that the finest of the old dishes were trotted out on Christmas eve, hence the feast taking on it's present form. Each nuclear family, contributing thier particular specialty to the table of the extended family, and in our american way, showing off, but for the common good, bearing with the ancestry. I have a website called artfuldodgerimaging.com. So you may see my work and know, I'm not some flack out of the wood work. thanks for what you are doing. I've never just sent a message like this, so if it seems hamhanded, it is ,in fact
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im in north jersey and hell yes there is an italian american culture i was getting agida just listening to that part madonnamia
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Absolutely
seriously. this was so poorly informed.
well she did make it clear that she was speaking only from personal experience
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I have so many issues with this person. If she didn't grow up in an Italian - American community, her experience and knowledge are not representative of most of us. If her practice of the craft is personal gnosis, this can not be considered Italian - American witchcraft.
Now I have agidu.
I think having someone who grew up in an Italian American community would enrich this conversation so so so much.
This channel deserves way more views. Keep up the great videos.🙏
Chaotic witch aunt, you are a truly beautiful person on the inside and wonderfully inciteful . Thank you Dr.Angela. Love from the 🇬🇧. 😁👍❤️
Angela, I think you would do well to go further & enrich this conversation and dialogue with someone from an Italian American community. So many excellent folks out there.
There is 100% an Italian American culture and to say there isn’t is emphatically untrue and reductionist at best.
Yeah, those culture comments got pretty....odd.
Love your videos Angela. And to reiterate what many have said here already I'm guessing, yes there is an Italian-American culture. Especially in big cities like New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Cleveland (where I'm from originally), and on the West Coast San Francisco.
Growing up, we would go down to Little Italy on Cleveland's East Side every August for the Feast of the Assumption. My great-grandparents (bisnonni) had moved there from different parts of Sicily in the early 1900's, met and married. My grandfather was born in the bedroom of the house they lived in, his sister in a different house in the neighborhood, and his brother in another. That's how closely tied the community was.
Cleveland's West Side, where I grew up, was ethnically Slavic in the majority so I had kids ask me all the time in school if my family was in the Mafia (🙄🤌), and what the Hell was I eating when I would bring things like eggplant parmigiana sandwiches for lunch.
My grandfather was a member of the Order Sons of Italy, a National Italian-American Charitable Society, in which he was awarded the highest civilian award by the Italian government in the 1960's (Cavaliere), when he made sure that health insurance would be attainable by Italians immigrating to the U.S. through the Order Sons of Italy.
Our heritage has continued to have a strong influence on my family, and I've been to Sicilia and met my cousins who have moved from the little mountain village that my great-grandfather grew up in, Longi, down to the beautiful coastal city of Capo d'Orlando.
One thing to remember though if you do happen to come to the U.S. and visit one of our Italian communities... please remember when sampling the food that our Italian-American culture is derived as you said, from our grandparents and great-grandparents that came mostly from Southern Italy and Sicily in the early 1900's. So please don't blow it off as "not Italian" as I've seen some young Italians visiting TH-camrs do. Things were very different for them not only back in Italy, but they then had to make do with what they could find here. 🙂
This is something I never even imagined I've followed both of you for some time now positive I followed botj within the same week 😀
Thank you for doing this collaboration and sharing these ideas. You're both doing important work.
This is a really interesting conversation. Thanks to Frankie for sharing. Also, Angela's eyeshadow looks are always so good.
Also, as the Austro-Hungarian empire was brought up, I'd like to say that the political structure of it was quite weird. Between the Great Compromise of 1867 and its collapse in 1918, it was sort of two separate countries, one Austrian and one Hungarian, and also kind of a single country with certain shared political functions and budgets.
Interesting! This doesn't really match my views as an Italian American, but then again, I am in a "pocket", as she says.
Edit to add: My practice centers around healing, nature, and kitchen magic, and my great grandmother busied herself with countering the malocchio above all.
Yep, fellow “pocket” American. This girl is full of crap. It’s understandable that Angela doesn’t understand as she’s from Italy. This girl is from Colorado, she has no idea.
frankie uses they/them pronouns, by the way.
@@eelthan lol of course
I liked your line of questioning here Dr. Puca; very interesting...
Collab I didn't know I wanted yayyyy!! Love both of your channels! Can't wait to hear the conversations!
I am so excited to see this collaboration between you two!! Just watched your interview on Frankie's channel. Great conversation. Can't wait to get stuck into this one too! 🖤
55th to like. Thank you for the illuminating discussion! I miss having conversations with practitioners. Vicarious enjoyment is not a bad replacement. Great questions as always. Much love!
Watched both of these videos back to back, I follow your both content with much enthusiasm. Loved the different approaches in the videos and I definitely think a study on how Italian folk magic evolved when and where Italians migrated would be very interesting. I also can't wait for you to publish your book!
Dr Angela you shared your English suggestions to learn about the Italian folk tradition, may I ask you to share some titles in Italian too? I'd love to read something in my own language for once!
Ps: i debated to write you and email or somewhere else but firstly I didn't want to be pushy and second, maybe someone else will be interested also!
Great content as usual
I loved Aradia as a child it's Abit disappointing out something I already suspected but didn't want to accept that being it's not historically accurate and was probably made up.i think it still have power as a chain of thought and maybe a egregore. Thank you for your insight into this topic.
In Norway it is tradition to bake 7 types of cookies for Christmas, very few still do though, but there are old folklore about misfortune if one do not bake 7 types of cookies.
In Northern Norway fish is eaten as the Christmas Eve dinner. It might be a European thing.
the problem with that way unverified personal Gnosis is this. As an Archaeologist in training I understand what Frankie is saying but I tend to go to the root of the word myth. Mythos literally means spoken/powerful word. It changes with time If we go by what is written we are neglecting its oral history. For example medusa she is seen as an monster by the Ancient Greeks but if we were to adapt her to the modern day she would be seen as a saint/goddess of feminism
Very shallow guest, she should not represent any form of occultism right now, and her view of 'culture,' is terrible, Im a practicing black occultist and after hearing her statement about blck people, I could be offended but I pardon the ignorance. Anyway, I love your channel so much and watch your videos to help with my practice. Shame you had to endure that, lol!!
yeah, her statement that 'white people aren't allowed to have a culture in america' is something i've only heard from the mouths of white supremacists, so kinda sad to hear this girl repeating those similar ideas, lol.
Agreed.
I believe she's just trying to say that European immigrants to America historically gave up their cultures to integrate into "white" America: they stopped transmitting their languages etc.
All seven and we'll watch them fall
They stand in the way of love and we will smoke them all
With an intellect and a savoir faire
No one in the whole universe will ever compare
I am yours now and you are mine
And together we'll love through all space and time
So don't cry
One day all seven will die- Prince '7'
The practice of Ancient Greek forms of Witchcraft and Magic (Goetia and Magia) in various places (and by my coven Here in Australia) is something which draws heavily from actual ancient sources, texts and documentation) 😉
In a bookstore in New York City years ago, I purchased a book written by a man named Leo Martello, who said he was a "family tradition" witch, a claim made by many self-professed witches. A person who only works as a medium, that is, says they are able to reach "The Other Side" to communicate with the dead, may not consider themselves to be a witch. One such person who is,
I think, fairly well known, who had a cable tv show, denied on one of her programs with
some annoyance that she was a witch, because she does not cast spells. In the USA the program was called the "Long Island Medium " and the woman's name is Theresa Caputo.
Unfortunately, very little of the representations of Italian-American or Sicilian-American folk magic/witchcraft accurately represent the actual practices of generational practitioners. People who were never Catholic are wholly unqualified to speak about how Catholic Italian-Americans integrate Catholic folk magic (which is NOT the same as Italian or Sicilian-American folk magic, but is rather intersectional). Just as Segnature more accurately represents the postmodern ethos and evolution of older Italian and Sicilian practices, failing to actually represent the older practices, since older practitioners will not disclose much of our practices, especially to neo-pagans, because neo-paganism is antithetical to our worldview and practice, so too does interviewing a neo-pagan American about practices they are culturally ill-equipped to describe.
Wow this is really dope to learn.
Now do one on romani magic and the black madonna.
My mother's mother's is Italian but I am initiated into Mayombe. Any advice on ancestor veneration for my Italian side of my ancestry like traditional ancestoral offerings?
I'll have to watch this later tonight...all I know is I'll be very disapointed if no secret pasta or pizza recipes are given out! 😝😝😝
Thank you so much for this wonderful symposium..by the way..do you have any research or information from practices coming from Sardegna?
Interesting that people who want to get back in touch with the spiritual beliefs of their Itallian ancestors would usually think of the Roman Catholic Church as a source of evil.
Good interview. This interviewee desperately needs to go to college. Hopefully in Italy.
That comment about "culture is only for black people" really just flew by without challenge. It totally ignores the othering of Italian immigrants that occurred and the effects this had on their descendants. Never heard the old guys growing up refer to themselves as "white." This is like a white suburbanite view of Italian-Americans.
As a third gen. Canadian I feel like I have more in common with other folk practitioners with other cultures than other slavic folk practices of europe
The language barrier and Yugoslavia does not exist anymore. I feel like i am an Yugoslav immigrant not a North Macedonian immigrant because of having a real cultural experience with Macedonia until I was a teenager.
culture shifts to fit the needs of the people living there. Biocultural evolution. human culture changing to fit the needs of the Geography they live in
I love the example of sphagetti meat malls in Italy vs Italian American cooking.
Italy has small more numbers of meat balls. While American version has bigger less number of them. Italy has food rationing and it's a festival dish. While American version is more wasteful.
You should interview America greatest witch Christian Day im sure that discussion would be very enlightening it will help you get a pulse for whats really happening in the community. Haha
Hello. I am also from southern Italy. Do you have an Italian channel?
how do you know how to answer me? i don't fully get the technology.
oops! I sent this to Dr.Puca, sorry, but had I gotten a response, I might have cced you
I knew it. All that good food? Had to be witchcraft.
I disagree with the assertion that American culture is white supremacy. European contributions to American culture often serve to reinforce racial hierarchy, but this is just one ugly element of a rich and diverse cultural expression that is the unfortunate focus of opportunists and those seeking to absolve themselves from white guilt.
Strega is a form of American Italian Witchcraft! Because Raven Grimassi was an Italian American. And he was taught by his grandparents.
One can certainly argue that. Things change over time and through diaspora. But it’s also sort of primarily rooted in Wicca. He (RIP)shouldn’t bill it as Italian witchcraft though, and he does, since it’s not.
Slamming a fellow witch is making me consider unsubscribing from your channel!
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ChaoticWitchAunt is insulting. I think you need to leave Raven alone! Or don't you respect the dead?
The dead cannot be criticized ?
You will occassionally hear "I'm Anglo-American" in reference to English heritage. But it's usually assumed to be the default... which is its whole own kettle of fish.
But barring that the English settlers are outnumbered by the Scots and Irish they exported.
I have a similar issue to Frankie. I'm probably more English than anything else but my English heritage is just gone. Those settlers were forcibly sent over here around 1650 or so and they apparently did not want to maintain their heritage. They were also poor for a very long time. That even happened to the Irish part of my family. I did not grow up in a Catholic Irish pocket like a lot of my fellow Irish Americans did because my grandparents left Catholicism and seemingly left their whole cultural heritage with it. Even though I know my maternal grandmother's whole family can be traced back to Ireland, I never got much Irish culture passed down. All that was left was the Finnish side passed down from my paternal grandmother and I could see that dying out in a few more generations. My husband doesn't even know his ancestry. His sister took a test to check for genetic issues and it was a big mixed bag with low confidence from the study.
I'm going to go hide in a 3-ft block black box and try to do a hat trick at the end of this
She doesnt have any english cultural heritage..... but she's speaking english! All of the North Americans have very strong English heritage.
I find your characterization of Raven Grimossi very insulting!
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I would like to invite you to the no attic institute for a notable notable or a laudable audible I think you should win some sort of prize from The noetics institute Pacific Northwest tribe and you can tell me about strega
This is a very bad interview! I am disappointed in you Dr. Puca.
I'm just happy to see someone make an overt distinction between Italian and Italian-American. Sick of seeing (usually white) Americans call themselves "Italian" when they haven't ever even been to Italy, when even their family never has. You're not Italian, your great great great uncle's wife or someone was! You're just American! I'm neither American nor Italian and I find it annoying.
Not quite as annoying as the ones who are exactly the same but instead call themselves "Irish." Half the time what they think is an Irish name is Welsh, Scottish or even English. They're always mistaking Welsh names for being Irish or English.
the fact that you're not American explains why you don't understand and this video did nothing to elucidate the use of hyphenated ethnicities in the US. I find it annoying that people outside of the US can't grasp this simple social contract. The use of "Italian" to describe the Italian diaspora was and is used to one; distinguish immigrants in an immigrant society, and second; it was and is used as a term to discriminate against us. Italian Americans cannot dispose of this label whether we consent to it or not. Many times I wished to not be identified as as WOP or guinea or grease monkey etc but Italy won't leave me. We can't wipe the Italian-ness off of ourselves because the dominant culture continues to differentiate us based on our ethnicity. Also, the native people here do not consider us native, but consider us European. Europe and Italy might like to dispose of their diasporas and disregard the fact that North America is a colony, from which all of Europe and Italy has benefitted and continues to benefit from.
@@lisafazio5211 to use a "hyphenated ethnicity" as you call it, one would call themselves Italian-American, which is fine, that's what they are (assuming they actually have Italian ancestry), they're not "Italian". LOL
@@Scrinwaipwr I agree. I'm Italian American, not Italian, but here we are called "Italians" by others who are not Italian American not by my choice. Also, the immigrants, like my grandparents, called themselves Italians and their children and grandchildren. They transferred their own identity many of them went back and forth repeatedly from Italy to the US. Many of us still do. It's not that simple to say "either" / "or". The US is a colony that is made up of people from all over the world who identify in a variety of ways and are identified by others in a variety of ways.
In other words; I didn't wake up one day and so "oh I think I'll start calling myself Italian" and in fact, I changed my last name at one point to avoid being identified as such because it leads to discrimination in terms of jobs and being accepted in Anglo community and the dominant culture.
Nothing quite as annoying as judging multiple entire countries and cultures off of what you see in the internet and tv.....you're "neither American nor Italian", but stating that someone is Italian in the US isn't "quite as annoying as saying their IRISH" - Idk how no one called you out on that wtf yet but we're not all here stomping on the Irish either, none of us except you... how sickening it is to see (usually white) people speaking this way about others.
Your own words really suck huh... I didn't have to try at all there.
loved this piece. I've been watching Dr.Puca for sometime, and find her fascinating. As I did most of your conversation. I am an artist who grew up in the post war period, in the area of bensonhurst, brooklyn, NY. writing is not my forte, but I found this piece so interesting, I made this attempt. while I can address many of the issues you both raised, I shall address one.
The feast of 7 fishes. I am of sicilian decent, for the most part, and so observed, a group of people holding on to their old Christmas eve traditions, and reflecting their new found wealth, as an excuse to their migration. So that the finest of the old dishes were trotted out on Christmas eve, hence the feast taking on it's present form. Each nuclear family, contributing thier particular specialty to the table of the extended family, and in our american way, showing off, but for the common good, bearing with the ancestry. I have a website called artfuldodgerimaging.com. So you may see my work and know, I'm not some flack out of the wood work. thanks for what you are doing. I've never just sent a message like this, so if it seems hamhanded, it is ,in fact