Once more, you found words so true and touching! The way you described it is exactly how this song should be taken in... I listened to it again awhile ago, and still, in the silence that followed, my soul is at peace... ⭐️
@@The-Organised-Pianist 😊 Well, there‘s „Zueignung“... and then there‘s „Traum durch die Dämmerung“... Others are beautiful as well, but I think these two and „Morgen“ are my favourite „trio“ by Strauss... It‘s funny how I could never bring myself to love Richard Strauss‘s operas, but immediately thought his songs were adorable... Nevertheless, when it comes to the German Lied, Schubert (surprise, surprise) will always remain my personal number one! Who‘s yours - if I may ask...?
Thanks for uploading these new and inspiring additions from the magnificent tenor, Borgioli. I thought I'd heard everything this tenor had recorded and yet, it seems there are still a few, glorious surprises in store for us. What a treat! I wish he'd written about his exquisite vocal technique. I've looked everywhere but there seems to be no written records left, despite that he taught voice and opera at a conservatory in London. Such a pity. Everyone of his recordings, both studio and live, are like windows into a forgotten and magical time, when voices could resound without having to constantly carry their chest voice to the extremes or cover the sound so that diction is utterly lost. His is a truly sublime voice, indeed. Thanks!
Thanks so much! I was actually wondering if there was something written, so you've answered that query for me. I'm not sure that I have too many surprises left, but I plan to keep uploading what I can of Borgioli, because he deserves to be better known!
@@vintagesounds3878 certainly you've heard this, but in case you've missed it, this is a real and rare treat, featuring a live Borgioli and Claudio Muzio at the SF Opera in the Act I duet from Tosca! Stunning from beginning to end! th-cam.com/video/B2g7TNk5KqM/w-d-xo.html
Dino Borgioli is a new discovery for me. At last an Italian tenor I really like! In my book he joins my top pair of tenors, being Heddle Nash and Aksel Schiots. Thanks for opening my ears. George
@@vintagesounds3878 My like of some artist or another is obviously a personal opinion! I adore Adolf Busch, Albert Sammons, David Oistrach and Artur Grumiaux among other great violinists, and have yet to be convinced about Jasha Heifetz except in the Sibelius Concerto. But Borgioli strikes me as a great artist with an astute sensibility and wonderful taste in using his rather fine voice. If I cannot get so enthusiastic about other famous Italian tenors, that should not be seen as saying that Pavaroti is not an absolutely top rank tenor from Italy. Only that I don't really enjoy Bell Canto as a style. I love that you are unearthing things I often did not even know exist, and truth to tell, though I listen to everything you issue, I don't always get to the end before turning off. That comes of being old enough to know my own taste, and that is not likely to change by now! I can only say thanks for your eclectic mix of records transferred, and some of them really have hit the spot with me, musically speaking. Best wishes from George
@@georgejohnson1498 Thanks George! I'm glad you're finding things of interest. I don't expect anyone to like everything I upload - sometimes I have second thoughts myself - but I certainly have a wide enough variety of material to cater for various tastes and moods. (I say moods, because sometimes I feel like a symphony and at other times something lightweight is much more appreciated). It's clear that several people are appreciating Borgioli - with good reason - so expect more of the same!
@@vintagesounds3878 I am anticipating some great performances and I think you mentioned some English language songs! Aklsel Schiotz was rather good in English like Dowland and Handel ... There is some light amid the [European] gloom! Best wishers from George
@@georgejohnson1498 I turned up one or two Schiotz discs in the collection I picked up last week (or I should say the half we got last week, because that's all we could fit in the tray of the large ute we used for transport) The one I remember is Nielsen. I'm not sure what the next load will bring, but I have huge amounts of Haydn material here! Picking up records is difficult at the moment, because it rarely stops raining for long enough to schedule a pick up!
This may sound strange but I tend to think of the human voice as an instrument and often enjoy it just for the sound and emotion it carries. I have a great fondness for the cornet playing of Phillip McCann and the feeling he's able to convey without words. Many of my vocal records are in languages I don't speak and don't understand but that doesn't detract from their worth, to me. Jan Peerce sang in many languages including Hebrew and Yiddish, and all of them are quite stunning. It would take too much time to find translations for them all but your suggestion is valid nonetheless. I've tried to find one for the version of Core 'ngrato that Caruso recorded but none seem to match the words he sings. I think, perhaps, he had an early copy and the published lyrics were a little different.
@@denispowell7134 I'll join in the discussion here until FOHN responds! It's actually a good way to think. I don't know more than a handful of Italian words - apart from musical terms - my German is decades behind me and my French is even more limited. But I can still happily listen to opera, and songs in other languages - and when I think about it, it's mostly the sound that charms. Take, for example, the Lucia Mad Scene in the Toti dal Monte recording I uploaded ages ago. I don't need to know the story: indeed, in some ways it's better not to. But I can listen to and enjoy the music and the singing in blissful ignorance as to what has just occurred. Let's now see what our colleague thinks!
@@vintagesounds3878 I love the Joan Cross recording of "One Fine Day" from Butterfly (orchestra conducted by Lawrence Collingwood) which is sung in English. I wouldn't claim to be any sort of expert on singing but, to me, it's wonderful. Having said that, I prefer the Rosa Ponselle recording from 1918(?) sung in Italian, a language of which I know only a little. That would be one of my "Desert Island Discs". I'd want 8,000 others though, not just 8.
This was something I didn‘t expect... You hardly happen upon an Italian tenor tending to German lieder gems (this is one of my favourites by Strauss) all the less sung in German! There es an accent, of course, but there is also a lot of insight, making it clear that Dino Borgioli wasn‘t just giving the genre a try („Oh, let‘s see whether I can do a little lieder singing for a change!“) - he treated it with diligence and consideration. That‘s much more than your occasional present-day opera star will do when asked: „How about a little Schubert?“ and he or she doesn‘t care about the language, or the lyrics‘ meaning, or the atmosphere... Thank you for sharing this lovely recording! 🙏🍀 A real rarity... 🌹🌹🌹
@SuperMagren Ich habe mich gefragt, ob Du schon vor mir bei dieser Aufnahme gelandet bist oder nicht - aber wahrscheinlich hättest Du etwas (Kluges!) geschrieben... Ja, die Aussprache ist überraschend gut; gerade Südländer tun sich ja mit dem Deutschen häufig schwer, was die Aussprache anbelangt, viel mehr als etwa Briten oder Skandinavier... und durch DBs entzückende - auch hier das Wort! - Italianità erhält das Lied tatsächlich noch einmal ein anderes Flair...
@@The-Organised-Pianist You are absolutely right! And as in every good song the combination of the lyrics and the music creates a very distinctive atmosphere... which is so exquisite in this masterpiece of a lied...
Thanks to all for your comments. It's good to have a reliable opinion about the accent. It's certainly an unusual choice for an Italian, but Borgioli seems to have had quite a wide repertoire. Before I get to opera, my next port of call will be a couple of songs in English! Glad to see SuperMagren's comments: my schoolboy German from decades ago was just good enough to allow me to understand what was being said without the need to resort to the translator! I was fortunate enough to find the signed photo of Borgioli, dal Monte and Raybould quite a few years ago. It cost either $1 or $2!!
@@vintagesounds3878 First of all, I like to ensure you that I‘m looking forward to these English songs!!! Wondering about the singers, the songs you‘ll choose... Wonderful! And though I‘m nit one to speak for others, I have a feeling that SuperMagren, too, will be delighted... Bravo or a straight A for your knowledge of the German language... maybe I should switch from English to German? But no, I won‘t... well, maybe sometimes when conversing with SuperMagren... 😊 Best regards!!! 🍀🍀🍀
I fall silent before & after this song, as I have loved it long & truly. Thank you, VS.
Once more, you found words so true and touching! The way you described it is exactly how this song should be taken in... I listened to it again awhile ago, and still, in the silence that followed, my soul is at peace... ⭐️
@@hrbooksmusic7878 It's my favourite song, HR. Glad you like it too.
@@The-Organised-Pianist
It‘s one out of maybe three (thinking, thinking...) songs by Strauss that I love best! 💖
@@hrbooksmusic7878 Which you will kindly name for us...???
@@The-Organised-Pianist
😊 Well, there‘s „Zueignung“... and then there‘s „Traum durch die Dämmerung“... Others are beautiful as well, but I think these two and „Morgen“ are my favourite „trio“ by Strauss... It‘s funny how I could never bring myself to love Richard Strauss‘s operas, but immediately thought his songs were adorable... Nevertheless, when it comes to the German Lied, Schubert (surprise, surprise) will always remain my personal number one! Who‘s yours - if I may ask...?
Thanks for uploading these new and inspiring additions from the magnificent tenor, Borgioli. I thought I'd heard everything this tenor had recorded and yet, it seems there are still a few, glorious surprises in store for us. What a treat! I wish he'd written about his exquisite vocal technique. I've looked everywhere but there seems to be no written records left, despite that he taught voice and opera at a conservatory in London. Such a pity. Everyone of his recordings, both studio and live, are like windows into a forgotten and magical time, when voices could resound without having to constantly carry their chest voice to the extremes or cover the sound so that diction is utterly lost. His is a truly sublime voice, indeed. Thanks!
Thanks so much! I was actually wondering if there was something written, so you've answered that query for me. I'm not sure that I have too many surprises left, but I plan to keep uploading what I can of Borgioli, because he deserves to be better known!
@@vintagesounds3878 certainly you've heard this, but in case you've missed it, this is a real and rare treat, featuring a live Borgioli and Claudio Muzio at the SF Opera in the Act I duet from Tosca! Stunning from beginning to end! th-cam.com/video/B2g7TNk5KqM/w-d-xo.html
@@paulhearn8667 Thanks for mentioning this. It's a case of, "Now you remind me, I remember!" Two great singers together!
Just checking back...anymore Borgioli discoveries?
Dino Borgioli is a new discovery for me. At last an Italian tenor I really like! In my book he joins my top pair of tenors, being Heddle Nash and Aksel Schiots.
Thanks for opening my ears. George
I'm glad to hear this, George. To hear that you put him in the company of those two names is high praise indeed. Many thanks!
@@vintagesounds3878
My like of some artist or another is obviously a personal opinion! I adore Adolf Busch, Albert Sammons, David Oistrach and Artur Grumiaux among other great violinists, and have yet to be convinced about Jasha Heifetz except in the Sibelius Concerto. But Borgioli strikes me as a great artist with an astute sensibility and wonderful taste in using his rather fine voice.
If I cannot get so enthusiastic about other famous Italian tenors, that should not be seen as saying that Pavaroti is not an absolutely top rank tenor from Italy. Only that I don't really enjoy Bell Canto as a style.
I love that you are unearthing things I often did not even know exist, and truth to tell, though I listen to everything you issue, I don't always get to the end before turning off. That comes of being old enough to know my own taste, and that is not likely to change by now!
I can only say thanks for your eclectic mix of records transferred, and some of them really have hit the spot with me, musically speaking.
Best wishes from George
@@georgejohnson1498 Thanks George! I'm glad you're finding things of interest. I don't expect anyone to like everything I upload - sometimes I have second thoughts myself - but I certainly have a wide enough variety of material to cater for various tastes and moods. (I say moods, because sometimes I feel like a symphony and at other times something lightweight is much more appreciated). It's clear that several people are appreciating Borgioli - with good reason - so expect more of the same!
@@vintagesounds3878
I am anticipating some great performances and I think you mentioned some English language songs! Aklsel Schiotz was rather good in English like Dowland and Handel ...
There is some light amid the [European] gloom!
Best wishers from George
@@georgejohnson1498 I turned up one or two Schiotz discs in the collection I picked up last week (or I should say the half we got last week, because that's all we could fit in the tray of the large ute we used for transport) The one I remember is Nielsen. I'm not sure what the next load will bring, but I have huge amounts of Haydn material here! Picking up records is difficult at the moment, because it rarely stops raining for long enough to schedule a pick up!
I'm not usually drawn to German Lieder but, even without understanding the words, I find this quite moving.
Thanks! Borgioli seems to be making quite an impression here.
Perhaps find a translation, Denis. E.g., the 1 made by Richard Stokes (oxfordlieder), although I can't comment on its accuracy.
This may sound strange but I tend to think of the human voice as an instrument and often enjoy it just for the sound and emotion it carries. I have a great fondness for the cornet playing of Phillip McCann and the feeling he's able to convey without words. Many of my vocal records are in languages I don't speak and don't understand but that doesn't detract from their worth, to me. Jan Peerce sang in many languages including Hebrew and Yiddish, and all of them are quite stunning. It would take too much time to find translations for them all but your suggestion is valid nonetheless. I've tried to find one for the version of Core 'ngrato that Caruso recorded but none seem to match the words he sings. I think, perhaps, he had an early copy and the published lyrics were a little different.
@@denispowell7134 I'll join in the discussion here until FOHN responds! It's actually a good way to think. I don't know more than a handful of Italian words - apart from musical terms - my German is decades behind me and my French is even more limited. But I can still happily listen to opera, and songs in other languages - and when I think about it, it's mostly the sound that charms. Take, for example, the Lucia Mad Scene in the Toti dal Monte recording I uploaded ages ago. I don't need to know the story: indeed, in some ways it's better not to. But I can listen to and enjoy the music and the singing in blissful ignorance as to what has just occurred.
Let's now see what our colleague thinks!
@@vintagesounds3878 I love the Joan Cross recording of "One Fine Day" from Butterfly (orchestra conducted by Lawrence Collingwood) which is sung in English. I wouldn't claim to be any sort of expert on singing but, to me, it's wonderful. Having said that, I prefer the Rosa Ponselle recording from 1918(?) sung in Italian, a language of which I know only a little. That would be one of my "Desert Island Discs". I'd want 8,000 others though, not just 8.
This was something I didn‘t expect... You hardly happen upon an Italian tenor tending to German lieder gems (this is one of my favourites by Strauss) all the less sung in German! There es an accent, of course, but there is also a lot of insight, making it clear that Dino Borgioli wasn‘t just giving the genre a try („Oh, let‘s see whether I can do a little lieder singing for a change!“) - he treated it with diligence and consideration. That‘s much more than your occasional present-day opera star will do when asked: „How about a little Schubert?“ and he or she doesn‘t care about the language, or the lyrics‘ meaning, or the atmosphere...
Thank you for sharing this lovely recording! 🙏🍀 A real rarity... 🌹🌹🌹
@SuperMagren
Ich habe mich gefragt, ob Du schon vor mir bei dieser Aufnahme gelandet bist oder nicht - aber wahrscheinlich hättest Du etwas (Kluges!) geschrieben...
Ja, die Aussprache ist überraschend gut; gerade Südländer tun sich ja mit dem Deutschen häufig schwer, was die Aussprache anbelangt, viel mehr als etwa Briten oder Skandinavier... und durch DBs entzückende - auch hier das Wort! - Italianità erhält das Lied tatsächlich noch einmal ein anderes Flair...
May I add, for anyone who hasn't read the lyrics, it's well worth it.
@@The-Organised-Pianist
You are absolutely right! And as in every good song the combination of the lyrics and the music creates a very distinctive atmosphere... which is so exquisite in this masterpiece of a lied...
Thanks to all for your comments. It's good to have a reliable opinion about the accent. It's certainly an unusual choice for an Italian, but Borgioli seems to have had quite a wide repertoire. Before I get to opera, my next port of call will be a couple of songs in English! Glad to see SuperMagren's comments: my schoolboy German from decades ago was just good enough to allow me to understand what was being said without the need to resort to the translator! I was fortunate enough to find the signed photo of Borgioli, dal Monte and Raybould quite a few years ago. It cost either $1 or $2!!
@@vintagesounds3878
First of all, I like to ensure you that I‘m looking forward to these English songs!!! Wondering about the singers, the songs you‘ll choose... Wonderful! And though I‘m nit one to speak for others, I have a feeling that SuperMagren, too, will be delighted...
Bravo or a straight A for your knowledge of the German language... maybe I should switch from English to German? But no, I won‘t... well, maybe sometimes when conversing with SuperMagren... 😊
Best regards!!! 🍀🍀🍀