What went wrong with the Tube Map?
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DIRECTOR
Jade Nagi / jade_nagi
DIRECTOR OF PHOTOGRAPHY
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RUNNERS
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HARRY BECK
Jago Hazzard / @jagohazzard
DATING APP VOICES
Jade Nagi
Sarah Fraser
SYDNEY METRO MAN
Dan Ilic danilic
PARIS METRO MAN (AND ADDITIONAL MUSIC)
Tim Byrne / thetimtraveller
NORA BECK
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ALAN FOALE
Half-Asleep Chris / halfasleepchris
MAP MAN
Mark Cooper-Jones / markcooperjones
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Sameboat via Wikimedia
Mike Hall
Mark Noad
Luke Carvill
Max Roberts
Jug Cerovic
ADDITIONAL RESEARCH
Mark Ovendon @markovenden
Geoff Marshall @geofftech
OLD TUBE MAPS FOUND/SCANNED BY
Marc Dickson @haywardsheath
Luke Blaney @lucas42
Simon Frost @simondfrost
Colin Brown @colinbrown1968
Achyut Chaudhary @achyutchaudhary
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Eetu Mikkola
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I was sure you were joking about the IKEA symbols on the map. But then I looked it up and they are indeed on the map. That's absolutely wild. Wow.
Why is it on the map?
"because they paid"
They are not on the TfL Go map, yet, so at least I don’t see them
Capitalism wins once again sadly
Maybe london needs to put the locations for kfc on the tube map as well.
@@HannahHäggAutisticTransWoman or Pret A Manger. You probably couldn’t see anything else then. Haha
As a tourist in London, the tube map was absolutely crucial. An app is great if you know what you're doing, but being able to check station for station that you're on the right line in the right direction is invaluable.
also no bloody internet in the tube, good luck with your apps then
@@shockslice7632 Every trip planner I've used had offline functionality, as long as you remembered to open the app recently when you have signal
The “this could’ve been a map men episode” bit made me almost spit my drink out from laughing. This episode was so good!!! Thanks!!
@here is the full clip here is the number ov people falling for this shit:
I only realised at that point I wasn't watching Map Men
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Thanks for this. I designed a 'tube' for the Lakeland Fells 12 years ago, which I named '"Tubular Fells". I lived and worked as a geography teacher in London at the time (living there for 23 years) and wanted to map the fells in honour of Harry Beck and that beacon of the English Lake District , Alfred Wainwright. I was a founder member of the Wainwright Society and I now live and work in Cumbria. The time and effort I took in order to emulate Harry Beck's work stretched my geeky approach, but I think I did alright and the resulting map has become quite iconic. It's a pleasing creation which adopted the basic rules of topology and I honoured both men by including their names. Ironically, Beck is a great name and addition for the map, meaning a mountain stream. I guess he was Harry Mountain Stream! Thanks for giving this explanation to us all. I will be directing people this way. Ad altiora!
I have a print on my hallway wall. As a fan of maps, the Lake District and Mike Oldfield it is one of my most treasured possessions. I’m very pleased I now get the chance to say thank you to you for producing it: Thank you. I’m also a Charlatans fan so to have the name Burgess on there is also a major plus!
@@therealcaldini And thanks to you for supporting me! Tubular Fells has brought me great pleasure and helped me to contribute to the protection of the place I love, in some small part. I never advertised, but through my enthusism it seemed to appear in every outdoor's publication, including The Guardian and even The Sun! I initially produced the map without any notion it would become so popular but it certainly resonated throughout the fellwalking world. I am so touched it has become a treasured possession; nay I am humbled. I am sure I could sort it, but if you would likle me to inscribe a map for you it would be my pleasure to get one to you. Reply and I am sure we can sort it. Peter Burgess
This is absolutely brilliant. Do you have a website I can buy one from so you make as much money as possible?
Bro speaks yapanese 💀💀💀💀💀
Wait, Jago Hazzard's face reveal was on A CHANNEL THAT WASN'T HIS OWN?! AND WAS REVEALED BY HAVING HIM SAY HIS CATCHPHRASE AS HIS ONE AND ONLY LINE?!
pretty mental
Actually blew my mind.
literally spewed my drinks out
I think that has to be the most Jago way it could have happened haha
I was shooketh when I heard it...
Having Jago Hazzard revealed as Harry Beck was truly a moment.
How many millions of unwanted conversations and awkward eye contact moments have been avoided just reading the map while travelling on the Tube ?
I suppose that's one advantage of a more complicated map, you can stare at it for hours and it's perfectly reasonable for anyone walking by, 'Anti-Beck claims another' :)
Having said that though, a Beck design deserves to be admired, so you could reasonably stand staring at that for hours too without question, and if anyone dare asks what you're doing, 'It's a masterpiece' is all you would have to say. :)
Can’t make eye contact or even smile on the London Underground. It’s the unwritten rules.
Truly makes you proud to be a londoner. Now if only Beck could invent a design that keeps the damn tourists out of my god damn way in his underground.
That’s so British lol
Spoken like a true Londoner
Getting excited over a Jago Hazzard cameo in a Jay Foreman video feels like the pinnacle of London transport youtuber nerdery and I'm here for it. Fantastic video as always!
Yes!!!
The "I'm sorry I haven't a clue" theme tune whilst talking about Mornington Cresent is a very nice touch
That'll be 'The Schickel Shamble', for those wondering. You are most welcome.
The perfect touch would have been getting Tim to cover it. (-:
I do wonder how many of Jay's quintessentially middle-class Brit references are lost on the majority of his audience.
My jaw genuinely dropped at 6:18, godspeed Jago
I remember the family confusion when they unveiled the plaque at Finchley Central.
He either used West Finchley or Highgate depending on whether he was at home or at his parents.
As well as further Underground Maps, he would also 'invent' things, but they were never that great. My grandfather, who was an engineer, would often sit with Harry and explain why they would never work.
*He used either
I get really anxious being on the tube (and in London in general, it’s too busy and crowded for my liking) and I find it really helps to stare at the maps on the tube and count the stops I have left before I get off or follow all the tube lines to pass the time and distract me
i like how you let Half-Asleep Chris have a cameo in this video... nice touch. Hopefully we can see him make an appearance again in future episodes!
I love the commentary on all the copy cat maps.
Also, as a Melbournian, our map may be very pretty and hypnotic, but only because everything only connects in the city loop. I’m all for ruining it with upgrades, the next big plan will ruin it even more, but don’t worry it’s not due for completion till 2050 and most of the stops and connections are in the East anyway, so it probably won’t help improve services either. 😂
As a melbournian myself, I agree
It also is trains only, not trams. Stupid different companies.
@@welcomeback2mychannel Yes, and it doesn't even show IKEA stores! Pathetic.
2050 is a bit generous
At least you got a decent map we adelaideians rely too much on cars
Wow another video on London a place I have never visited in a country I have never been too! Really excited to watch it! No joke though I love the effort put in by Jay in the video to make it interesting for all of us.
@@instinctivelycorner Yes, I like Jay's content for real though
I played and paused the videos for several times from 7:40 to 7:50 to see the maps and caption. I am surprised by maps of different places and as a Hongkonger,I also feel happy about seeing the MTR map of Hong Kong :)
I just came back from Hong Kong for geography dissertation fieldwork! (Not about the MTR haha) but I do love your map system and overall tube network over there, it’s so well done! Really love the city ❤ love from London!
Unfortunately... It's outdated.
So did I.
It’s like another hidden video within a video
NEW YORK
Eurgh.
-Jay Foreman
I wanted to respond enthusiastically about The Tim Traveller’s cameo, but then I heard Jago’s voice. Reading the comments, it apparently is actually him. What really blows my mind is that we have watched him in part 1, two months ago, not knowing it was him… Nice one. 👍
Indeed, as a foreigner, I use the map to plan my journeys around London and it really encourages me to hop on a train and start exploring! (but it's also confusing, mainly because of additional non-tube services added)
Lovely video! I'm glad Harry Beck eventually got the deserved recognition!
As someone who used to get the tube as a local and now just uses it as a tourist, I think it still very much has a place. It might be because I already have a decent understanding of it, but I much prefer looking through the tube map to see where to go than using any app. Once you have wrapped your head around it and learned some of the basic lines, it can sometimes be faster than unlocking your phone, finding the app, and typing in the station names. Not to mention, if you're already in the tube, you have no access to internet in order to use those apps, so you need to use a normal tube map. It's better to just acclimate yourself to it than to rely on an app and then flounder when you don't have it.
For tourists, it allows you to customize. For a trip to London, there's so much crammed in the one city that it is better to be creative with things rather than strictly going from A to B, then later backtracking to go to C, then going back past B to get to D, etc. I do think they should separate some aspects of it. Is anyone actually getting River Bus services to get from point A to B in London? No, so why is it on a map for transportation? Sure, it might be a lovely thing to do, but so are most of the sights in London. Why isn't the British Museum marked on there? Or the V&A? Or the London Eye? Or Elizabeth Tower and Houses of Parliament?
Equally, the Overground is a big enough line at this point to have its own separate map. On the Overground map (which would inherently be less cluttered than the general Tube map), you could have special markings to denote that the station is shared with the Underground, but otherwise, it's not very necessary. They just don't want to do that because then the Overground would make less money.
@cindybin2001 hey at least you’re honest about only wanting to be around white people
Ugh I know, the DLR, Overground, and Trams should get their own maps with their own line colours. They have a National Rail connection symbol, so why not similar for those?
You say why not have various museums marked, but I’d go far as to say why not have the bus routes if they want to be consistent!
I will admit the first time I used the DLR I only knew about it because of the unified map, but honestly there’s still a place for the very large unified maps, it’s just no good for the pocket one. As evidenced by how the map which ALSO incorporates the national rail services is only available in some stations. Why are the other TfL modes not part of the other in that schema for the Tube map? And if they want a completionist map, then it’s insufficient.
As you say though, it’s all about advertising TfL services and not advertising the others’. I hate when business reasons win against public utility reasons…
7:05 Oh! All the cameos! I love this!
Jago Hazzard. TH-camr. Map designer extraordinaire. His talent knows no bounds
The Mexico City metro map is a beauty and possibly exceptional! It has individual icons that relate to the name of the station making it navigable without having to read.
Lots of illiterate locals must be glad, I guess
People were saying that Jay having a literal child for a Surfshark ad was dedication, but he legit wait until he had a spot then recorded himself brushing his teeth with the spot and zoomed in on it so it's super obvious, for an ad.
The first few seconds of this ad is a perfect recreation of exactly where I was and what I was doing when I came up with the idea for this ad.
It’s like a Who’s Who of British TH-camrs! Great to see Tim and Jago. I can’t wait for the next one where Tom Scott is the Duke of Edinburgh and Drachinifel is a captain of the Woolwich Ferry. Maybe even James Hoffman could be the hot beverage person at 55 Broadway! Excited!
Holy shit, I was happy enough with an Australian city being mentioned but a cameo from Dan Illic playing Dame Edna as the boss of Sydney subway was top shelf
Thought I recognised Dan Illic there!
In 2013 I thought A LOT about this topic and eventually created what I think is the optimal tube map for Berlin (sorry London, but it is the same issue there).
The problem with the existing map is that it looks overly complicated because the lines drawn for the train lines still
try to resemble real geography somewhat sometimes despite the fact that for a passenger all what matters is the relative
locations of stations to each other, rather than their location.
So my principle behind it was to reduce the number of bends in each line drawn to the lowest possible, while keeping
the relations of the stations and lines to each other of course. That way I could reduce the bends in the lines
massively from 37 for all underground-stations to 7 (and similar for all overground lines which are in the same map).
Combined with the introduction of some graphical improvements like more important stations where more lines intersect
getting larger symbols and introducing dotted lines for underground lines and normal lines for overground ones
(because they often have similar colours) created a far easier to read map I think.
Ultimately this could also be implemented in an algorithm and solved for every city because train lines are well defined
by how many stations they have and where they intersect with another line. But that is beyond my coding abilities, so
I solved it manually for Berlin only.
Unfortunately YT seems to forbit posting links, so I can not really share it here. Can be found on my website
zuender.org > Work > DIY though.
Great map. Nice work.
Feedback: I think the font could be more readable.
Station markers are not on the middle and the border could be thicker.
Some lines intersect in a funky way for example Bolnholmer str. and sometimes there is extra space between the lines. I would remove most unnecessary bends and just connect them straight to the station marker.
The choice of colours resemble the communist era.
Initially I thought U7 ia a river - sorry I don't know Berlin 🤤
Besides these points your map is on point.
@@adavidmezei Thanks! I chose the font because it is similar to old Berlin streetname signs, but sure it could be a bit more readable. Some stations are hard to draw and compromises have to be made. Bornholmer Str. was such a thing. It has this two lines S2 and S8 that split up to two additional lines S25/S85 and make it more complicated. In the official plan the splitting happens after Bornholmer Str. but I think this was a unnessesary complication as that doesn't matter for the passenger.
In the official plan there are a lot more lines drawn there anyway with no additional information.
Regarding bends I think I reached the absolute minimum in the u-bahn-only plan. I had to compromise a little bit here and there to fit in overground (S-Bahn) lines together with the U-Bahn, but it should be really close to the absolute minimum still.
@@aurigo_tech Yes, I understood the challenge that station had. I also understand the font choice. Consistency is key. Here is my take on the problem: i.kek.sh/izClU4N4ffk.png
What do you think?
@@adavidmezei You introduce sharp corners there or allow for direction change in a station. It does look a bit cleaner regarding the stations but I tried to avoid that as much as possible because one of my rules was that a line could enter and leave station only in the same angle (or as close as possible if a direction change is unavoidable), so the eye can follow right through a station. It was a bit tricky with S8/S85 and S2/S25 in that case, so yeah perhaps your solution is better there.
If we just allow for more lines to leave a station at a different angle, then of course moving the crossing between S1 and S25 to the station makes sense as well.
Oh and the thicker signs for the lines' names are a big improvement as well!
In any case I feel honoured that someone thinks about the same problems I had and uses my map somehow. Well done! :)
First of all: I LOVE THIS. I think it would take me some time to get used to the Ringbahn not being a regular "circle" anymore but that's just a matter of time. I also really really appreciate that u removed unnecessary turns and sharp angles for the lines - like S1 is now running smoothly from Rathaus Steglitz to Wannsee 💕. Oh, and U9 being a straight line now? *Chef's kiss*
However, I do have one tiny design problem: sometimes when the lines are running parallel to each other they touch each other and sometimes there's a tiny gap between them (see: S1 + S2 vs. S8 + S9, or at corners like Landsberger Allee). But that's just a tiny thing.
totally agree that a lot of clutter can and should be removed, but not the accessibility info. that is vital, and disabled commuters should be able to see it quickly and easily. their commute is already complicated enough i imagine, judging by how little stations are actually fully step-free from train to street.
ofc the true solution is to make everything accessible so the info is redundant, as someone else in this comment section has already suggested. but until then it should always remain on the map
The disability info bit was clearly a joke, given that he ended it with "... to be quite so blobby".
I'm just going to pretend every Jago Hazzard video he's wearing those glasses, while reading the script
answering all the questions on the hong kong map a year later: the orange line has to interchange with the pink line at sunny bay while the turquoise line bypasses these stations which answers the question about the turquoise line skipping some stations as it is the airport express.
As someone from Toronto its a bit sad seeing our bare bones ass line with like no interconnections compared to all these other amazing networks :(
In the early 1990's I graduated GA Tech and lived in downtown Atlanta, GA. I had no car and was 100% dependent on the trains and buses of the Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority (MARTA) and their maps. The was something like 35 stations on five major lines and a preposterous number of bus routes. I would look up my destination on the big, folding MARTA map, work out which bus led to the nearest Metro station, then look up that bus line in the shoe box of bus schedules I kept for just that purpose.
Very informative. I never knew what Jago looked like before. As for the map, I love having the zones on there because it costs £12.80 to go from Heathrow to Zone 1 yet if you get off at Earl's Court and then right back on the total cost is only £4.40. Needed to know where that zone change was.
**takes notes**
Well I'll be damned, Jago was playing Beck all along! I had to go back and watch his line again, then check the credits, THEN check if he was credited in the last video (he wasn't). Which leads me to conclude it was a stealth cameo!
7:46 that Hong Kong MTR map is the old one with the west rail line; as of 27 June 2021 it combined with the old ma on Shan line to create the Tuen Ma line (there are some extra stations in the middle too)
the East Rail Line extension and the High-Speed Rail were also forgotten
Always love an unexpected Jago Hazzard cameo.
He is the unexpected cameo to my transport-related videos
The ‘I’m sorry I haven’t a clue reference’ Jay, you know your audience 😂
When was that? I seem to have missed it
@@robertplattner1636 "Mornington Crescent" and SIHAC theme.
@@TheOneAndOnlyETHMAN Time Stamp?
@@robertplattner1636 From 2:25
@@martindeane9631 thx!
THAT'S JAGO HAZZARD - I NEVER KNEW
8:20 your wish has been granted
7:27 “Where’s Concorde now? Dead, that’s where.”
Boom Overture: *Am I a joke to you?*
Jay has managed to do the impossible: get viewers to actively watch and enjoy his sponsored segments
I love the Piccadilly line's route by history that they have in the trains. Makes the geography and landmarks so much more enjoyable and understandable to me as a tourist
The Piccadilly line is my favourite I must say. I love how unique each station is while also being familiar along the route. It also just so happens to be the line that goes to most places I'd want to visit while there which probably bias's my opinion slightly.
7:40 The Stuttgart Map shown is not officially from VVS (Ticketing Administration) nor DB (Transport Corporation). This Map is from the Touristinformation of Stuttgart, which are not involved in the official Mapdesign. It is also outdated for almost 20 Years, which can be seen by looking to Line 15, which was a tram line until 2007 and got replaced by the "Stadtbahn"-Line U15
Exceptional work as always, and the view count shows it too! There are an incredible number of very humorous easter eggs for us Londoners too, which is very much appreciated! Appreciate the love for Jug Cerovic’s map too! And the ad at the end *chefs kiss*
Tim Traveller and Jago Hazzard in a Jay Foreman video?
Three of my favourite TH-camrs together at last !
Indeed. Geoff Marshall and Tom Scott would have completed it, though. Especially Geoff Marshall because it was about the Tube.
@@NigelGentry yes, they would have made it a full house!
(I still can’t believe that Jago did his face reveal on someone else’s channel !!!)
HOLY SHIT IT'S THE JAGO REVEAL!
7:49 MTA's website has a newish subway map that is responsive. When you zoom out, it becomes more diagrammatic and Beck-ish, but when you zoom in, it starts conforming to geography more.
10:00 I was gonna say London already has a flag, but then I remembered that it's only for the City of London.
Another great video which is both hilarious and informative. Also please give Jago an Oscar, as best supporting actor. I only wish Jay released these a bit more frequently.
10:07 yeah until you see the ticket price.....
I would like to remark that in the timestamp 7:47, in the Barcelona metro map, the date isn't actually present in the official design. It has been added to the map externally by the page you downloaded the map from. (you can see that the general style of the map doesn't fit with the style of the date)
Yeah, I have no idea if he left it as a joke while aware of it or if he just was a bit too lazy
@xerzy yeah it's sad because he only focuses on that and I would've liked to know his opinion on the Barcelona map
mapa metro barcelona lol
Whenever a new character is introduced in a Jay Foreman video, that is my official head canon of what they looked/acted like.
All this time we were looking Jago playing Harry Beck and we never knew what he really looked like.
It's great to see all the transport and map enthusiasts together.
Unexpected jago hazard as Harry Beck is the most surprising of the century if not all time. You are the TH-cam community to my many hours of misplaced fandom.
8:18 It’s happening!
(9:14) I’m surprised TfL hasn’t used Jug Cerovic’s map yet, it looks absolutely stunning! The only thing I would change are the little line names that appear where there’s not a station for a while. I don’t know, it just makes things a little more complicated. Just provide the line names in the key, as they’ve always done!
I love the second Max Roberts design. I don't know why there aren't more sun-rays maps, but there really should be, they usually reflect quite well reality, and they're like a smile printed on paper. Would make my day better!
It's a good thing they'll probably never finish London as it means we'll keep getting these videos.
i'm gonna finish london myself just to spite you, internet stranger
They've split the overground! We have different names and colours now!
7:42 That's a perfect description of the Stuttgart transport map. Thankfully, we added 45 degree angles a few years ago, making the map look a bit less weird and pointy.
6:18 wait what I wasn't expecting that I know that voice and outro! Jago Hazzard love his videos. Such a cool reveal
7:10 I was so surprised to see Half-asleep Chris in the video. I love his and Jay's videos so this was a lovely cross-over.
He wasn't half asleep here 😁
8:25 did you manually patch out all of these elements of the map? Just thinking about how much of a pain that might have been
Yes and it really hurt my eyes and back and wrist and took me a week and a half! I’m especially annoyed that I had to zoom in so you can see the detail and I wasted loads of time on the suburbs that you can’t even see. I’m thinking of publishing the fully zoomed out version separately to be enjoyed on my patreon so it doesn’t go completely to waste.
An Unfinished London episode featuring Jago Hazzard doing a Jago Hazzard video joke? Fabulous!
I now know what Jago Hazzard looks like!!! For some reason, I always thought of a tall, thin man in a long coat and wide-brim hat.
Watching this on holidays to London was a vibe
Jay, just a POI, that 5 gns Harry was paid in 'today's money' equals £444.07. Not a bad pay-cheque in 1933!
Thank you!
Not a bad lump-sum payment, indeed. But royalties are where the real money is!
i feel like this episode (and part 1 for that matter) perfectly embodies the tube map in every way and it only makes London more interesting (that is if we didn't have more problems in this day and age so more people can see that point) and worth visiting to find out the complex history for not just the tube map but other locations as well it's great and that's why i love these episodes so much getting to know your own city down to the smallest of details, thanks Jay maybe i might run into you during a day out (not likely though) I'll see you next episode, until then ciao P.S Mark's reaction was top notch and i kind of wish this was a map men episode i miss them
About the question towards the end, does the Tube map need to include trams, mainline services, etc. I think other cities do have a solution to this: have multiple maps. The example I'm most familiar with is Vienna's transit network but this is definitely something other cities must be doing. If you're in Vienna and looking for a public transit map, you'll find a few different ones.
The simplified U-Bahn map shows only U-Bahn (underground) services and a couple select overground mainline services which have rapid service, which have a dashed pattern for distinction. This is the map you see above the door while on the U-Bahn.
Elsewhere on the trains and in the platforms, you can find an expanded U-Bahn map, which shows all overground suburban rail (S-Bahn) services, and in a much thinner line width (aside from the high-frequency routes) so as to avoid confusion. It also shows special express airport transit services.
In the stations besides the U-Bahn maps there are also complete transit maps, which show every public transit service the city has, including tram and bus lines (and there are a lot of those). U-Bahn and S-Bahn lines look the same as they do in the other maps, and the tram and bus lines added in pencil-thin line width with trams in red and buses in dark blue.
In addition to these, there is also an entirely separate map for Nightline services (buses that run all night, even after the rest of the public transit stops). The basic idea is you have different maps for different needs. Maybe someone does wanna see a physical map which shows the tram or bus they are trying to take. Most people don't though, so they can make do with the U-Bahn only map. And when you're on the U and just in a rush, you can glance up above the doorway and see the simplified map, which cuts down even further on unnecessary information, so you can realize this is the station you're meant to get off at while the doors are still open for you.
Different maps for different needs. I think London would be wise to implement something like this, having different maps with different levels of detail when it comes to the transit network
So many brilliant moments in this. I love it! One more thing that the tube map does - it helps people moving to London feel somehow connected and not lost in the sprawling labyrinth which is London.
Londoners: "It looks elegant and beautiful. It's how we envision London in our minds."
Non-Londoners: "WTF IS THAT MONSTROSITY?!"
New York did have a map similar to Beck. It's the Vignelli map. It is the favorite map style of many New Yorkers, but it didn't last too long. I don't know why it was changed.
It was polarizing for locals because it didn’t show geographic distances between stations. Many New Yorkers orient themselves based on the street grid since it’s near-ubiquitous, especially in Manhattan. Vignelli’s map threw that out in favor of simplicity, which made it easier to show transfer points and line relations but harder for some people to figure out where the stations were in the city.
A good case study in how good design should be simple but should also reflect how people actually need to use it.
The MTA has recently been attempting to roll out a new Vignelli-inspired map which tries to balance the difference, for better or for worse.
It changed for a few reasons. New York’s “multiple services on one line” (A C and E using the same tracks most of the time) didn’t fit with the new map using a different color for each service, filling Manhattan with multiple unreadable rainbows. In addition, some lines that should’ve been at 45° angles were instead a series of horizontal and vertical line segments (most egregiously, the Broadway lines in Midtown). Some stations were out of place, like when the map showed one station to the “east” of another when it actually is west of that station. So a few years after the original Vignelli map was released, they created the current Tauranac map which was based on rider feedback, using one color for each trunk line, using curves to make the map feel like riding on the Subway, and adding major streets because of how much of NYC geography is based on streets.
The new unofficial “Vignelli” map the MTA uses occasionally (like for the super bowl) is a massive improvement over the original Vignelli (and what probably should’ve replaced the original instead of the current Tauranac map) and I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets phased in over the next decade.
Lots of New Yorkers hated it for it’s oversimplification and lack of actual usefulness to people getting around
@@janmelantu7490 Yes, the new Vignelli map is posted in several stations. I believe Barclays and Hoyt-Schermerhorn are two stations I recall seeing it in.
Wasn't expecting to see Jago Hazard in your video. Seeing him is a pleasant surprise.
I was lured in by the hypnotic effect of your extraordinary blue eyes, but watched the entire ad bit just because I was baffled then transfixed by its premise. It was quite out of left field and I must sppldud your creativity!
Also thanks for teaching me about Harry Beck, truly his name deserves to be known for the influence he's had over transit maps globally.
Maybe Londoners don't need the tube map, but tourists sure do! It's much more convenient to see where roughly the stations are on the map than using a website to find the route (many times it's more convenient to walk some distance instead of changing trains - which I wouldn't know if I only searched for the route on the web, or I would have to confront the route planner with a normal map anyway). I do use route planner in cities where I'm familiar with the transport and the stations, but nothing is better than seeing it outlined like this if you're new to the city.
@cindybin2001 Migrants are people just as the locals are. And every large city always has most immigrants due to job possibilities and consequently, higher crime rate than smaller cities. Being a migrant doesn't automatically mean the person is dangerous, that's just stupid prejudice.
Not really, walking directions is just a tap away in Google Maps and similar apps, you'll quickly see how quick a walk will be versus transit, and then you can decide what you want to do.
And the whole point of the modern tube map (versus a more geographically correct map) is that it sucks for walking, the distance between the stops on the map have little relation to the real distance between them.
@cindybin2001 Reality doesn't exactly fit the 'reality' you consume on social media.
@cindybin2001 I was there this year. It's still a great city. In fact, migrants are a big part of what makes it great (and always have been). I am not sure what your social circles are using to get their information but seriously, I hope you're not letting them dissuade you from doing other things you'd enjoy.
@@fh5kskalf using google maps gets harder for people from the EU - roaming and stuff. It helps people who are not familiar with the city. Let's say I'm at Tottenham Court Road station and I need to go to Covent Garden. If I used the tube I'd need to change trains, while it takes like 10 minutes of walking. The same applies to planning routes ahead - I just look at the map and see immediately where I'm at, which direction and line I need to take, where to change and where to get off. For a person who is not local ''southbound'' and ''northbound'' platform is useless without a map. There are just so many advantages to the tube map. Obviously, I don't use its equivalent in my city, because I know it by heart after decades of using the public transport here. But wherever I go, tube map is my first point of reference.
I can’t believe London transport were so disrespectful to Harry Beck
AT 08:06, I see Baker Street is replaced by "Trap Street". Another nice touch.
Happy #splittheovergroundintodifferentcoloursandnamestomakeiteasiertoreadonthemapandlessconfusingfortouristsandcommutersalikeespeciallywhenitcomestotemporaryclosuresanddelays Day everyone! This video aged well, bravo Jay.
9:12 Max Roberts' 2nd one in the shape of the Underground logo is both hilarious and pretty easy to read
Love the Half-Asleep Chris feature! Super cool to see him here😄
I did think it was him! So cool to see hima
Where is it?
@@sekokqedaus4377 7:04 about
Oh yeah!!! Yayyaya! Thanks for these awesome!
4:09 how does he have a Thomas and Friends poster despite Thomas and Friends not being existed at the time
Edit: oh Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends did exist then but I think some of the characters including Mavis or Oliver didn't exist at the time as well
The Jago Hazzard cameo was unexpected and made me laugh
You got Half-Asleep Chris in here? Cool!
@Jay-Foreman shut up spam bot
I was in London for only the second time ever recently, and I planned more than 1 journey by using a physical paper tube map, and using an app instead of a map is pretty hard when your phone has no internet because you're underground!
Dan Ilic's guest appearance as the Edna Everage-esque representative of Sydney was a pleasant surprise...
even though Dame Edna was a Melbourne-centric creation, at least at first, and Sydney and Melbourne see themselves as *very* different.
Dame Edna is from Moonee Ponds, not just "Melbourne-centric".
@@welcomeback2mychannel Yeah, but still not Sydney though.
Sir Les Patterson was Humphries’ Sydney character, but he’s not as well known as Edna.
@@noidea26 That would have been pretty funny though!
@@noidea26 If only he'd known about Sir Les. This skit would have made me ruin my chair
Love how Tim's subtitles take lots of... poetic liberty.
That was Tim Traveler! Thank you, I wasn't sure.
not so cool for the people tvat actually use captions tough. how do i know what was actually said and what was added
@@thisorthat629 Basically, the captions Jay put was the...uhm...nicer version of what Tim actually said
The London journey planner was so confusing with its directions that I resorted to using a mix of Google Maps and the tube map instead when I visited in May.
Harry Beck = Jago Hazzard
7:27 huh, it appears things named Concord have a tendency to die
I just realised the Santiago metro map is heavily inspired by the London tube. Therefore, Beck's legacy lives even here in good old south america. Holy cow.
I love it when a video will say you should watch part 1 but then never give a link to part 1
There is a link to part 1 in the description and a clickable card on screen.
You are the definition of a high-effort TH-camr.
So Jags of Hazzard.....that’s what you look like! Not gonna lie, your cameo did make me let out a little ‘whoop’. And trust you to feature so heavily in the previous episode and not give a hint....you little tease you!
I love those little details you put in your fantastic work. For example the changing date on those letters at 5:45 .. so funny :D
Just found your channel, totally loving your mini documentaries and humour!
Love all the cameos ❤
I see jay I click instantly
oh, we *stan* jug cerović. his belgrade bus map is the goat, my guide to the place whenever i'm over, and he designed the totem signs around belgrade as well. much like harry beck, jug even gifted his bus map to the city of belgrade, who refused to use it in favour of an abomination (look them both up!)
I found the Tube map to be very useful on my trip to London (though not as much as the lines listed inside the train itself) as I had no data on my phone. I do wish it had been a bit less cluttered though... it's a bit hard to read, especially if you're not familiar with London.
7:08 half asleep chris!
7:58 so what you're saying is that "you got there first and now you're the worst at it"
Usually, yeah.
@@JayForeman What’s the point of “Trap Street”!?
@@hanstheexplorer they did a video on this already look up mapman "why maps show places that don't exist"
Love the Melbs feature! Kinda excited for what the metro tunnel will bring
I have the Underground Film Map poster, every station replaced with a film or tv show with a local connection, American Werewolf/ Ipcress File/ Mission Impossible/Clockwork Orange