My grandfather was born in 1883 and died in 1953. Had a lot of stories about life growing up in the late 1800's. My grandparents were married in 1919 in Chicago where my mom was born. Miss them all and the history I heard about that they all lived through. I guess I've lived through some interesting times myself.
My grandfather had told me stories about his great grandfather who was born in Buffalo Gap, Texas in 1859. He fought in the Lincoln County War and went by the name of Henry Roberts, but my grandfather believed there was no connection with Brushy Bill because he fled from New Mexico to Hico under the name Barlow Winters after he supposedly killed a man in a saloon over a card game. He told me that he was actually at Pete Maxwell's house the day before Billy the Kid was shot. He said many times that Henry aka Barlow had felt unsafe at the house, but he had always felt unsafe out of the 4 times he went to Maxwell's. However my grandfather is still alive at 62 years old and the thing is that all the stories he told me came from a journal that was written by my great great grandfather. Every time he was telling me a story, he opened and read from the journal. He mentioned the McSween house while he lived in New Mexico, Sheriff Brady, the jail house, the hunt for Billy the Kid and so on. Now my grandfather is putting this journal in his will so it'll be passed on to me after he dies. He said that on the last page, a promise must be given cause my great grandfather never told his father about his journal. Maybe it's a promise that I can only share some information on regarding real details of the many things in New Mexico, but I'll have to wait and see
@@1angryscotsman Yeah he told me a lot about the people involved during Billy’s manhunt. It made me feel like I was there during the whole chase. My great great grandfather was very descriptive with his writing. Even Pete Maxwell's house was exactly as I imagined after seeing a real picture of it. Hopefully I'll find more info in the journal and I'll try to update you on it
Cannot imagine a more depressing site to end up. Of all the beautiful places in NM - even around there - THIS looks like the prison yard from hell on some distant planet. Whether Billy is there or not, bones washed away in the flood or not, this is just awful.
Fort Sumner was, in fact. "the prison yard from hell" to those who were there during its service. The whole of the actual fort is long gone, not an adobe brick left. It was active only from 1862 to 1868, as a forced encampment for Navajo and Mescalero Apache. It was such a disaster that they let the Indians return to their home grounds. The soil and water were all poor quality and farming efforts were unsatisfactory. The buildings were sold to Lucien Maxwell in 1870, and he created a largely Hispanic community of about 200 people there, sheep and cattle being the main business. It was enough to be supporting two saloons by the time BTK was hanging out in 1879-1881. The Maxwell family never owned the land, just the buildings, so in time a new town grew up a few miles away. The old fort was lost to Pecos river flooding, abandonment and deconstruction for use in the new town. It's a myth, however, that bodies were washed away in flooding. The 1904 flood always cited did nothing but fill the cemetery with water. The walls in existence at the time allowed the water to pool to a certain height, but there was no way for things to actually wash away as rumored. Proof of this is that within a year or two of that flood, a contractor for the Army located and moved over 20 soldiers' remains from period when Fort Sumner was active. All were found exactly where they were supposed to be, and he mapped out where The Kid and his Pals were. This map is in the public domain with other records of this effort, and it matches virtually exactly where the Kid's grave is marked today.
I've been to the Fort Sumner gift sbop that has this grave. It certainly isn't Billy's actual grave, but people keep stealing the headstone so the owners of the gift shop put a cate around it. I was there around 2011 and it was 108°-109°. Even took a picture of the temp reading in my Ram 2500 Cummins.
If you interested in the truth, read 2 books. The first is, Alias, Billy the kid, by CL Sonnichsen and William Morrison, and the second book is Billy the Kid, The lost interviews, by WC Jameson.
William Bonney alias Billy the kid buried in Texas love by the regulators Silva Chavez Trujillo Sanchez and my Beautiful great grandmother nana Geronimo One of the 400 slaves Lincoln New Mexico died in 1912 New Mexico became a state was 105 years old
The cemetery is said to be so full that everywhere you walk you are stepping on somebody's grave, but only a relative few are marked. They formally stopped further burials there decades ago. Many who lie there will be forever anonymous.
I've always believed Chano Silvas rendition of this story. Told to him by his grandfather who was there at Maxwell's Bilito was the name they would Billy. As for the gravesite it's just a guess there in fort Sumner Gotta a grave for people to visit. Brushy Bill was a consistent liar. Well documented.
as i remember one time i was watching unsolved mysteries and this guy said that he is the real billie the kid and he said that his real name was brushi Bill aka Billie the kid
I was Home after being gone 3 weeks one time.I was up early and watching a Show about how the old Outlaw Jesse James lived on past the time they said he died.They had an Fbi Facial recognition expert on there.The one Guy they were Asking the FBI expert about I wanna say JD Dalton.The Expert said JD Dalton had all the Facial Scars the Jesse Was known to have.He said on that alone that that in his opinion he was Jesse James.Alot of People didn't know but the Governor of Missouri is who signed the Death Certificate and was a real good Friend of the Family.JD Dalton everybody always asks Where did he get the name Dalton From? The guy said Jesse's Mother her Maiden Name was Dalton.When they Dug up Jesse Years ago the way it sounded they Found a Bullet in the Grave but the way it sounded they didn't have enough bones to test for DNA.They laughed because the one Guy Said they had a Tooth they got from the Fireplace Mantle in Jesse and Frank's Moms house.Like the one Guy said they don't even know who the tooth belonged too.Like Bob and Charlie Ford.They thought they would be thought of as Tough Guys they killed The Great Jesse James.They were thought of as Cowards for shooting an Unarmed Man in the Back.I used to pick up in Keokuk Iowa at a place for Chrysler and an Old Guy heard me talking About Jesse James.He Stop and said He had a Farm in Missouri that he said Was an old Hideout thar was where he said Jesse Used before being killed.He said I could come down and he would show me where it was.I called him 5 or 6 years ago and he already died.I told him around that Cabim if you see Strange Marking in trees there's money around there Somewhere.
@@johnpierce2095 I was actually trying to go to the Carlsbad Caverns. Thanks to COVID at the time, you had to make an appointment to enter, and I was riding through the area. Closest visit date was a week out.
Charlie Foor came through after the flood and showed where it is. It was common knowledge for people in Fort Sumner to visit Billy's grave. They also had a detailed map, an Adobe wall, 30 feet from the gate and 3 feet from the path that ran north & south. He is right there!
This is not, and has never been billy the kids grave site, as he was not killed that night long ago by Pat Garrett, this has been proven without a doubt. Billy, the true Billy the kid is buried in Hamilton ,tx. He lived to be 90 years old, and lived one hell of a life.
My grandfather was born in 1883 and died in 1953. Had a lot of stories about life growing up in the late 1800's. My grandparents were married in 1919 in Chicago where my mom was born. Miss them all and the history I heard about that they all lived through. I guess I've lived through some interesting times myself.
My grandfather had told me stories about his great grandfather who was born in Buffalo Gap, Texas in 1859. He fought in the Lincoln County War and went by the name of Henry Roberts, but my grandfather believed there was no connection with Brushy Bill because he fled from New Mexico to Hico under the name Barlow Winters after he supposedly killed a man in a saloon over a card game. He told me that he was actually at Pete Maxwell's house the day before Billy the Kid was shot. He said many times that Henry aka Barlow had felt unsafe at the house, but he had always felt unsafe out of the 4 times he went to Maxwell's. However my grandfather is still alive at 62 years old and the thing is that all the stories he told me came from a journal that was written by my great great grandfather. Every time he was telling me a story, he opened and read from the journal. He mentioned the McSween house while he lived in New Mexico, Sheriff Brady, the jail house, the hunt for Billy the Kid and so on. Now my grandfather is putting this journal in his will so it'll be passed on to me after he dies. He said that on the last page, a promise must be given cause my great grandfather never told his father about his journal. Maybe it's a promise that I can only share some information on regarding real details of the many things in New Mexico, but I'll have to wait and see
Wow that's awesome, thank you for sharing
@@1angryscotsman Yeah he told me a lot about the people involved during Billy’s manhunt. It made me feel like I was there during the whole chase. My great great grandfather was very descriptive with his writing. Even Pete Maxwell's house was exactly as I imagined after seeing a real picture of it. Hopefully I'll find more info in the journal and I'll try to update you on it
I'm definitely interested. I love the wild west and gunfighter times.
@@1angryscotsman Same, I really can't wait to see everything written in the journal, but I love my grandfather, so I don't hope it'll be anytime soon
Wishing you're grandpa a good health and long life.....
thanks for putting it up,informative,
Seems lije hes inthe middle of nowhere
Nice video. Very nice. Thanks for stopping by there & sharing it.
Cannot imagine a more depressing site to end up. Of all the beautiful places in NM - even around there - THIS looks like the prison yard from hell on some distant planet. Whether Billy is there or not, bones washed away in the flood or not, this is just awful.
There really wasn't much around, just farms. This place was definitely hidden
His body s not Evan there washed away long time ago
Fort Sumner was, in fact. "the prison yard from hell" to those who were there during its service. The whole of the actual fort is long gone, not an adobe brick left. It was active only from 1862 to 1868, as a forced encampment for Navajo and Mescalero Apache. It was such a disaster that they let the Indians return to their home grounds. The soil and water were all poor quality and farming efforts were unsatisfactory. The buildings were sold to Lucien Maxwell in 1870, and he created a largely Hispanic community of about 200 people there, sheep and cattle being the main business. It was enough to be supporting two saloons by the time BTK was hanging out in 1879-1881. The Maxwell family never owned the land, just the buildings, so in time a new town grew up a few miles away. The old fort was lost to Pecos river flooding, abandonment and deconstruction for use in the new town.
It's a myth, however, that bodies were washed away in flooding. The 1904 flood always cited did nothing but fill the cemetery with water. The walls in existence at the time allowed the water to pool to a certain height, but there was no way for things to actually wash away as rumored. Proof of this is that within a year or two of that flood, a contractor for the Army located and moved over 20 soldiers' remains from period when Fort Sumner was active. All were found exactly where they were supposed to be, and he mapped out where The Kid and his Pals were. This map is in the public domain with other records of this effort, and it matches virtually exactly where the Kid's grave is marked today.
I've been to the Fort Sumner gift sbop that has this grave. It certainly isn't Billy's actual grave, but people keep stealing the headstone so the owners of the gift shop put a cate around it. I was there around 2011 and it was 108°-109°. Even took a picture of the temp reading in my Ram 2500 Cummins.
That's hot! Especially on a motorcycle.
"Billy, they don't like you to be so free."
If you interested in the truth, read 2 books. The first is, Alias, Billy the kid, by CL Sonnichsen and William Morrison, and the second book is Billy the Kid, The lost interviews, by WC Jameson.
Awesome, I will check them out!
Do the books match the story's your grandpa would tell you..
Alright I'm check them out
Brushy Bill was him. No question.
Also, read Steve Sederwalls "The Dirty On Billy the Kid". It's a great read. I think that book came out around 2020.
William Bonney alias Billy the kid buried in Texas love by the regulators Silva Chavez Trujillo Sanchez and my Beautiful great grandmother nana Geronimo One of the 400 slaves Lincoln New Mexico died in 1912 New Mexico became a state was 105 years old
I'm sure you meant that New Mexico has been a U.S state for 110 years
105 years old would've been back in 2017
Got out of jail in muleshoe hitchhiked threw there stopped to check it out
"Are you-a cheatin' us Kid"
"Me ... NOOOOOOO!"
The other dead people in their graves must be so jealous that Billy get's all the attention
Those were his fellow regulators and friends buried next to him
The cemetery is said to be so full that everywhere you walk you are stepping on somebody's grave, but only a relative few are marked. They formally stopped further burials there decades ago. Many who lie there will be forever anonymous.
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I've always believed Chano Silvas rendition of this story. Told to him by his grandfather who was there at Maxwell's
Bilito was the name they would Billy. As for the gravesite it's just a guess there in fort Sumner
Gotta a grave for people to visit. Brushy Bill was a consistent liar. Well documented.
I'll definitely read up on this. Thank you for your input!
Awesome, but should do a voice over on it.
I'm still learning this stuff. I don't have fancy video editing tools. I'll see what I can do
Looks like a fun day out
Everyday is a fun day out on the roads with two wheels!
Cool! Very cool! Wish part 2 was true....what about Santa fe ring? Was there a real Jack Palance,or they embellish that?
Cool
There's been that many rumours about where Billy the kid died nop one person actually knows
as i remember one time i was watching unsolved mysteries and this guy said that he is the real billie the kid and he said that his real name was brushi Bill aka Billie the kid
I miss that show. Awesome information. I will look into that name and Unsolved Mystery episode, thank you!
I was Home after being gone 3 weeks one time.I was up early and watching a Show about how the old Outlaw Jesse James lived on past the time they said he died.They had an Fbi Facial recognition expert on there.The one Guy they were Asking the FBI expert about I wanna say JD Dalton.The Expert said JD Dalton had all the Facial Scars the Jesse Was known to have.He said on that alone that that in his opinion he was Jesse James.Alot of People didn't know but the Governor of Missouri is who signed the Death Certificate and was a real good Friend of the Family.JD Dalton everybody always asks Where did he get the name Dalton From? The guy said Jesse's Mother her Maiden Name was Dalton.When they Dug up Jesse Years ago the way it sounded they Found a Bullet in the Grave but the way it sounded they didn't have enough bones to test for DNA.They laughed because the one Guy Said they had a Tooth they got from the Fireplace Mantle in Jesse and Frank's Moms house.Like the one Guy said they don't even know who the tooth belonged too.Like Bob and Charlie Ford.They thought they would be thought of as Tough Guys they killed The Great Jesse James.They were thought of as Cowards for shooting an Unarmed Man in the Back.I used to pick up in Keokuk Iowa at a place for Chrysler and an Old Guy heard me talking About Jesse James.He Stop and said He had a Farm in Missouri that he said Was an old Hideout thar was where he said Jesse Used before being killed.He said I could come down and he would show me where it was.I called him 5 or 6 years ago and he already died.I told him around that Cabim if you see Strange Marking in trees there's money around there Somewhere.
That's awesome
Billy the kid did not die back then he line till he was a 100
It definitely appears to be the consensus
88 to 90. Probably 88.
Did anyone live to 100 back then
no one knows where hes buried, for one a flood happend there years ago and lot of the grave markers got swept away,
I'm sure it's for tourists to stop.
@@1angryscotsman yea , maybe hes there, maybe hes not, so who knows
@@johnpierce2095 I was actually trying to go to the Carlsbad Caverns. Thanks to COVID at the time, you had to make an appointment to enter, and I was riding through the area. Closest visit date was a week out.
Charlie Foor came through after the flood and showed where it is. It was common knowledge for people in Fort Sumner to visit Billy's grave. They also had a detailed map, an Adobe wall, 30 feet from the gate and 3 feet from the path that ran north & south. He is right there!
@@ronniehenwood8580 Let's go dig him up and get that DNA test done
Billy the Kid isn't barried there.
If he didn't get washed away in Pecos flood
This is not, and has never been billy the kids grave site, as he was not killed that night long ago by Pat Garrett, this has been proven without a doubt. Billy, the true Billy the kid is buried in Hamilton ,tx. He lived to be 90 years old, and lived one hell of a life.
Oh bullcrap.
What name did he go under?
I think it's true the kid lived pat shot the wrong man
I've always liked believing that.. Like in young gun 2
Never been proven..try again
If the flood in the Pecos didnt carry him away
Yikes
I thought he was buried between his two friends
Yes, I think his was the one to the right of his two buddies in fenced area
Brushy " Bill" was a fraud and make believe character..
That is Billy Barlow, but purported to be The Kid's. They do not know the original location.
Who cares if it's him or not? He was just another criminal,period!
True that. Was a great motorcycle ride to get there from San Diego
Not his grave
Bronco Billy!
It seems to me Billy has more than one gravesite?
3
The only person in history to have 3 graves
This 1 or 2 or 3 grave site
No idea, everyone saying he's not even buried there.
I am the kid
Thanks for reply
Youstillaliveat160years
I was also....before I became an adult
That is not Billy's grave lol Read Pat Garretts book He say's where he was buried
Correct! However, all government historical markers point there....you don't mean to say our government lies?
Lol
Bullshit. Find it, show it and finish.👎
I'd love to go on another motorcycle trip to find the real gravesite!
....let me ask the wife.....
What an ugly graveyard
I thought so too
Was his grave not washed away in a flood?
Many have commented that, and also that he was never even buried there
He has 3 graves
Brushy bill was billy the kid too much proof real proof
I'll check it out. I've never heard of him before. Thanks
@@1angryscotsman watch brushy bill Robert's debunked the Lincoln County wars & billy the kid saga watch it only billy would know this much and detail
Let's not glorify a demon possessed murderer
True, but it's US history. The good, the bad, and all the ugly
Billy the kid had a boyfriend, but friends tried to cover this up.
Wow! That's a first for me