Love this video! I so agree. Ephesians 5:4 Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.
What about prophets using bad language? Like Ezekiel uses foul language. Jesus uses offensive language. He had many offensive things and insulting things to say. Just look at all the name calling of the Pharisees. Crude and foul language can be ok in the right circumstances. The problem is when people use foul language all the time instead of when it is called for.
@@br.m you can be firm in speech without using foul language. I have literally done it for 34 years. I was taught not to curse growing up, and I never curse even when mad. It’s doable. My husband stopped cursing after he became saved. He never curses. My parents, and Grandparents I have never heard curse in my entire life. Even cooler it makes your testimony for Christ stronger having language that is now foul. People notice especially in work environments.
@@capturedbyannamarie Sir I agree with what you wrote. I am not at all trying to suggest people should curse. Could I think of it like meat sacrificed to idols? If it makes you stumble, it is good you avoid it. I will try to remember to avoid foul language when you are around. On the other hand, some people might respond better to foul language. If I were like Paul, and in the world but not of it, if I were all things to all people... Then I might go convert some people who swear, speak in slang, etc... If you approached such a gang, and you spoke nerdy, they might just laugh and mock you and chase you away or stone you. If I went to the same gang and I spoke with words they are comfortable and familiar with, then they might be more receptive and understanding.
Guilty as charged, Dr. Cooper. Thank you for keepin' it real. I am repenting as I am listening to this. I appreciate this exhortation. I needed it. Lord have mercy upon me!!
Your video on etiquette changed my entire perspective on the way I composed myself and talked to others, and now I struggle hard with not cursing, though I put an effort to do so everyday. This video came at the perfect time and really strengthened my resolve not only to avoid cursing in discussion, but altogether. It's hard to overstate how much impact these videos have on my life as a developing young man in my 20s, but you are a great role model, who brings me closest to our greatest role model. PS: bought your Lutheran catechism devotional for my girlfriend and she loves it, excited to hear about the new publications coming out!
This is a popular issue within the Reformed and Reformed Baptist camps. It is often tangled up in what is now being dubbed the “Theo Bro” group that places a revival in masculinity as one of its big issues. I personally appreciate your example, Dr Cooper. It is refreshing.
Thanks for this. I'm here after closing the Twitter app after seeing the new trailer for Lady Ballers from Daily Wire. Their "humor" hadn't quite seized me one could say. So listening to this is a breath of fresh air. I'm always pointed to Jesus and the gospels when watching your videos. Thanks again.
I agree. I like Ben Shapiro because I think he is one of the closest commentators to Burke but I think the seriousness of the conservative mission embodied by Ben is overshadowed by performance acts of the daily wire at large. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were tension behind closed doors about the degree to which sensationalism is acceptable considering how often Ben himself speaks against it especially in the Republican Party.
@@williampeters9838 I think this a good take. Ben and Klavan are my favorites over there. I don't really listen to anyone else there regularly. But I agree about potential behind the scenes tensions. That Candace stuff seems... unsustainable. I hope in the future they make content that isn't so focused on the distasteful aspects of our society that we wish would just go away. But maybe instead make movies _for something_ and not necessarily against something. Idk that probably isn't a recipe for financial success these days lol.
Thanks for this video. I think it’s a lot easier to proclaim the truth in love when one is emotionally regulated. I come from a family that has very poor emotional regulation so it’s difficult for me to be honest with people sometimes because I correlate telling someone the hard truth with getting angry and yelling at them since that was how it was modeled for me growing up, and I’m trying to get better at communicating true things in a more charitable and controlled manner.
Thank you for sharing. I assure you that you are not alone in this. What you describe resonates with my own past experience. Keep the faith and God Bless....
@@DrJordanBCooperI mean, I don’t see what’s so different between that and other replacement cuss words like heck (which you seem to be fine with). Sure, the curse word itself is more offensive, but both are offensive enough to require a substitute word. So if one qualifies as profanity it stands to reason the other does as well.
You are taken more seriously in discussions when you avoid crude language. You can see this in debates, intellectual circles, at universities, and also at church. Words and how we use them should be void of any bad language including swear words.
But who decides what crude language is? A lot of Christians will use replacement words that has the exact same meaning as what they think is a. Cuss word so it ends up being the same exact thing.like the f word and sex mean the same thing or poop is the same as the s word so it's all just opinions
@@pure-blood69 The approach I use is that it isn't the word but rather the tone and context of the word. For instance if one was to say go "fudge" yourself instead of using the current societal deemed crude F word then the intent is still there and the understanding of what is being said is still there.
Very edifying video, thank you. The concerns about not being "masculine enough" and acting brazenly against biblical precepts because the surrounding culture sees them as too meek is such an odd strand of contemporary Christian behavior/thought. People need to take a step back from the culture war.
Without putting it in a religious context, but from the viewpoint of 73 years of social interactions; crude and offensive language is certainly unnecessary and a sign of a weak mind trying to express itself forcefully.
It seems to me that in this video, and in society at large, we muddy the differences between profanity and foul language. One person can tell lies and gossip and intentionally hurt others without saying a single word of profanity. Another person can speak truth, or encourage a friend, and use profanity while doing so. I completely agree that we should guard our tongue. And I'm all for being slow to speak. I'm also for not letting your anger, jealousy, etc. control what you say. But, the sorts of words which are socially acceptable can and do change over time, and from one culture to another, and even from one class to another within a given culture. While I do try to avoid profanity myself, I would argue that rather than trying to avoid the naughty words, our main goal should instead be to focus on principles. Things like don't lie, don't gossip, don't speak out of anger, don't try to tear others down, and so on.
Yes, I agree Jordan. There seems to be a trend that makes being a jerk "cool". I've been guilty of it, and need to strive against that tendency every day. It's also true that Christians have taken the political toxicity so prevalent today and internalized it, lashing out at every perceived thing they don't agree with. It's actually quite immature.
Such a good and thoughtful treatment of this issue...so badly needed today. I've run into many young people who are passionate about their beliefs, but think that tactlessness and disrespectfulness are virtues, and it's good to hear a thorough Biblical perspective on this issue.
Had a guy saying he was Cristian and also was blatantly racist saying white people were superior and I definitely went off on him so I needed this video today lmao thank you Dr Cooper
Very straight forward and unambiguous teaching. Definitely something to wrestle with. What I’ve found troubling as well is that these Scriptures often don’t just refer to swear words or insults, but also the 8th Commandment. For the longest time I attended a church where swearing was a very real and serious sin to avoid, yet slander and malicious talk was rampant; I came to realize over time that the two sins are both forms of not only unwholesome talk but also cursing your neighbor. I’ve become more wary of the way I speak to others, or at least how I try, since coming to this realization.
Loved this video, a very important message and well delivered as allways. Your strong character, charitable attitude, honesty and temperance are what got me listining to you regularly, and over the many hours ive spent with your videos and books i have been drawn into Confesional Lutheranism. Many thanks and God bless.
This is a much needed message for the body of Christ. I've left a couple of Lutheran social media groups in past because of harsh language and attitudes. These days it's sometimes difficult to state any truth without someone taking offense and reverting to speech as a weapon. Thanks for this post. PS: Maybe some teaching on the use of speech in complaining would be welcome... Pray, praise, and give thanks instead!
Thank you for teaching on this extremely important issue. Excellently done! As you say, scripture is clear. Further, how are we to spread the Gospel when Christians act un-Christ-like. Believers are supposed to model God’s love because the Spirit abides in us. As ambassadors of Christ, our words and actions can negatively reflect on the Lord we serve.
Does describing abortion as murder or transing kids as “mutilating” come off as vulgar to you? Or is there something actually vulgar here says? Generally he’s guilty of having a monotone, grumpy sounding voice.
He commented that because Matt Walsh criticized Jordan Cooper for not gung-ho endorsing the kind of abrasive strategy Matt took against transgenderism.
As a Calvinist attending a LCMS local church, I have some friends there that will use F bombs occasionally for emphasis, when we hang out afterwards in other non church environments…of which I’m not immune from using infrequently too 😱
Oof, this was an important rebuke on me. I work in customer service, and calling someone a fool (whether to my coworkers or just in my own mind) is probably a daily occurrence... 😬
I think that the company does matter. Around my mother I would never cuss, but alone or with a good friend I will use certain words. And I do not curse or damn anyone, I take that very seriously. We are perfectly imperfect. Praise Jesus.
How much does culture factor into what constitutes course or rude language? The underlying question is how is a Lutheran to reconcile the harsh and vulgar language that Martin Luther would use? I've seen this used as an argument against Luther, that because he was vulgar in speech, his message should be diminished.
Three things: 1. Luther's theology being right does not mean that his manner of speech always is. 2. Luther's harsh language was toward those who he believed were deceiving the sheep. It's not like he just randomly insulted people. 3. Luther would often apologize for his language being too harsh.
Yes and tho we Lutherans love Dr. Luther we also are not afraid to say when his behavior was at times not Christ like. We have that freedom because we don’t believe men are infallible. Luther was just a man, he did some great things but was flawed like everyone else.
If I may ask, how should we approach the imprecatory prayers if psalms. Or view Christian movements like the civil rights movement that was vocal and rebuked the racist climate and government if their time?
Christians can absolutely pray against sinful movements that are harming society. There's a difference between, for example, praying against the radical transgender movement and insulting a person taken in by that movement to their face.
@@DrJordanBCooperlet's say peaceful protests. Is there a place for that. As a young black believer I appreciate all those that came before me like the abolitionists and those who struggled through the civil rights movement. I guess my question is is there biblical grounds for what they fought for because obviously what they did was "civil disobedience" and often would require some kind of rebuke in discourse. These are my thoughts...
@@simplyserge144 These commands in the New Testament do not prohibit peaceful protest or action against an abusive state or other authority. But we have to have decorum while doing it. In other words, civil disobedience vs. destructive riots.
But as a layperson, I can proclaim the gospel to unbelievers, yes? And I don't like to discuss either way, but if someone wants to discuss, then I can answer him in a friendly way ?
Oh of course! There's plenty of lay-evangelism in Scripture. It's not that you can't teach theology in *any* capacity. But you shouldn't act like you have the authority of a called and ordained pastor if you aren't.
This topic is very much needed in todays culture. I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matthew 12:37-38) Dr. Cooper can you do an expanded discussion on Matthew 7:21 and it's proper interpretation, as well as the proper Biblical way of testing ones faith (retrospect), I think that would be helpful for people struggling with assurance 🙏
Thanks for the video. Good thoughts. However, I think the topic of this video can be misleading and may be taken in a way that goes beyond what you have established biblically. I think Christians should certainly agree that we should not speak harshly with others; rather, we should address others in gentleness and love. However, the video title (as well as parts of the video) imply that we aren’t permitted to ever use swear words (i.e., specific vocabulary words or phrases commonly classified as "cursing"). It’s not clear to me from your biblical arguments that such language is impermissible. We can of course curse people without ever using so-called curse words, and we can use curse words in certain contexts without cursing anyone. For example, a Christian novelist could write these words for the language of their characters for realistic effect or to make a point; or one may occassionally tell a joke to their spouse and use such a word to humorous effect. There may also be biblical precedent for using such words, since some commentators seem to think Paul used a swear word in Philippians 3:8. Still, I’m sure a translation along these lines is up for debate. In any case, I don’t see a biblical argument against ever using such words - only against using them against others in the way you specify here. I’m also pretty sure that any argument for a wholesale prohibition on such words or similar language would implausibly over-generalize to disallow for euphemisms such as “crap" or even mild (by anyone's standard) off-color jokes to one's friends and family. Plausibly, I think there is a virtue that falls in line with scriptural aims for our language in regards to this kind of language. One shouldn’t be prudish (as in turning up their nose when they read “damn” in a C.S. Lewis novel) but they also shouldn’t be utterly profane by overly using this kind of language in their daily speech. Excessive profanity robs the words of any impact they have for emphasis anyways. The golden mean in this case would be prudence in our speech. Such words can be used sparingly and for effect such as Paul does, if he does, in Phil. 3:8.
I agree with you in principle. We should be characterized by life affirming speech-- speaking the truth in love. There are times, rare times, where we are required to speak harshly however. One cannot gently confront Great Evils. That said, we had better be really sure that's what's going on before we blast something or someone. In my own life (I'm in my 60s), for example, I can easily count on one hand the number of times such harsh language would have been required. Note the word choice. Required, not justified. On a separate issue, I'd encourage you to think more deeply about dividing the body into clergy and laity. What the text says to leaders applies to everyone if for no other reason than leaders are to be role models.
this is an eye opening talk! we as christians don't realize we are saying or how it is being said. satan has a short time on earth and trying to to deceive us as much as he can! this is a good talk indeed! Thank - you!
I don’t know if you had intended for this or not, but this would be a very good lead in to an exploration of the doctrine of the priesthood of all believers. I am certain, having come from evangelicalism, that this is a very misunderstood doctrine in modern American Christianity.
The main Protestant Church in England says the King can be a Freemason or an adulterer, but not a Roman Catholic. If I describe Protestantism as “evil”, is that offensive?
I use the Septuagint "New Jerusalem" Bible with the Deuterocanonical Apocrypha. In Wisdom of Joshua Ben Sira, there is a chapter that strictly warns against foul and vulgar language. Profanity has lost its shock value and it's used continuously by the masses. But as Christians, we are not to use it. Jesus said, "what comes out of a man's mouth shows if he is clean or unclean." Filthy language exposes a filthy soul.
Thank you. I was not aware of the distinction you draw between laity and clergy. My pastor tends to downplay "special status" for his office (though we don't always listen, and we credit it to him anyway). Perhaps he privately agrees with you. In any case, it's a lot of food for thought.
"should we care about how we use our words" or "should we say whatever we want" is not at all the same question as whether we should use offensive language. to suggest that they are the same issue is disingenuous, and constitutes a strawman or a mott and bailey.
Are you responding to name calling and mean spirited talk more generally, or the use of specific words? Like is the use of some words in itself a sin? Also what if I use a word like bs very rarely and in a controlled way to denote extreme disapproval? I want to be very careful with my words and those were some things that were unclear.
It's really hard to draw a strict line as to what's appropriate and what isn't. Certainly, Scripture's primary concern is mean-spirited talk toward other people. And you shouldn't use talk which would be offensive in whatever social context you might happen to be in.
I think there is room for some harsh language though. For example, Paul calls the Galatians fools who should castrate themselves. He didn’t really need to go that far technically…but he did. By today’s standards (and I imagine the first century standards), that would have been an insult. How do you respond to this?
While I agree broadly with your conclusion, I think you didn’t really engage meaningfully with the six or so passages you quoted at the beginning. It seemed like proof texting, quoting them as if they were an end to any discussion, without digging deeper into them. But oddly enough, when it came to the equivalent proof texts on the other side, you spent much more time and dug out some meaning from their face value. An even-handed approach would’ve been more helpful and more convincing. For example, I came on here hoping to hear some commentary around Colossians 4:6 where Paul says that as gracious as our speech must be, it should also be “seasoned with salt.” What did he mean by that? It sounds like there should be a bit of cheekiness in there, especially since the closest reference to that phrase that I could find was in classical Greek where salt in speech was a metaphor for wit, charm, or humour. But then again, it could also refer to purifying and keeping your words free from corruption. Some of this kind of engagement at the beginning with the texts and their actual meanin would’ve been more persuasive and helpful. But once again, I broadly agree with your conclusions and think we need to speak more kindly to one another, but I think you left some big gaps in your reasoning which make your conclusion vulnerable to attack
Good video! That said, while I agree with the assessment that people use too much crude/offensive language, it seems as though the reason justifying such a thing in the bible is that we should avoid scandalizing our fellow Christians or being disreputable among people generally. But if this is the case, then it seems as though language that is normally crude/offensive might cease to be crude or offensive in contexts where it is not considered disreputable or scandalous by those present. For example, young people often use the F-word quite frequently in their language, and take no offense when it is said. Might we as Christians, therefore, use what is *usually* called crude language in such circumstances where the people involved do not find such language to be crude or offensive, nor scandalous? I have in mind cases where Christians who use this kind of language and see no issue with it gather together.
I suspect that you speak with grace and dignity because you'd immediately sense that you were grieving the Holy Spirit if you were to do otherwise. And if being formed into the image and likeness of Christ (in terms of your speech and deportment) makes you an object of scorn and derision, rejoice and be glad because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
In the Jewish tradition, the Rabbi known as Chofetz chaim wrote extensively from the Talmud how serious evil communication is , or Lashon Hara . In some sense hatred of another with your words is ALOT worse than some actions. The intent behind one’s words is also important. We are inherently made in the image of God so to degrade another or yourself is akin to blasphemy or spiritual assault/ killing another’ soul. When I first accepted the gospel my first question was this one. I always understood “ swearing” to be more about proper and intelligent or useful expression rather than using “bad words” Language can be offensive or not offensive depending on crowds but it’s not always intelligent. However sometimes crude language is even used biblically. I was moreso thinking about Paul’s usage of skubala” or the vulgar form of excrement and even telling people to castrate themselves. Some people will say “ i cant trust someone who appears too goody two shoes”
Yeah, just reading the video title... I think St. Paul is pretty clear about that and the answer is "no". Not saying I'm perfect, but if vulgar language comes out of my mouth I feel convicted about it and repent.
You're in tune with the Spirit. When we eliminate sins, we feel clean like after taking a shower. We can conquer vulgarity, but it's not easy in our culture. Still, we can do it with the Lord's help.
I didn't understand your authority remark at the end. I assume you didn't mean Christians can never speak righteous indignation against sins unless they're a pastor; for example, explaining deception for gain is fraud and theft to someone you know who deliberately ommitted important information to someone buying a house, olwhile testifying in court, etc. It sounds kind of like you either mean excommunication from worship or sacrament, or telling someone they aren't a Christian, or maybe you just mean telling someone they're going to hell.
@@DrJordanBCooper Thank you for the clarification. I think it was Pastor Mike Winger who said he considered Joel Osteen a Christian when reviewing one of his videos, and people criticized him harshly just for that.
On the subject of who should be regarded as false teachers it’s evident to me that there's a wide discrepancy between what Luther held and what those who profess to be Lutherans hold. Luther said for instance: Therefore do not doubt that if you deny God in one article, then you have surely denied Him in all; for He does not permit Himself to be divided piecemeal into many articles, but He is altogether in every one and all of them and always one God … In short, we want to retain all articles of the Christian faith absolutely pure and sure and not give up one tittle of them no matter whether they are great or small (though none is small or unimportant to us). And so it must be, for the doctrine is our only light which shines upon our way and guides us to heaven. If we allow it to be made weak and feeble in one place, it will surely become altogether powerless; If we fail at this point, love will not help us... It is certain that whosoever does not rightly believe or desire one article (after he has been admonished or instructed) he surely believes none seriously and in true faith... Therefore you have the choice: either believe everything and all, plainly and simply, or else believe nothing. The Holy Spirit does not permit himself to be separated or divided so that He would teach or have us believe one doctrine truly and another falsely. Exceptions (of course) are the weak who are ready to be instructed and do not contradict maliciously. (end quotes) So it appears to me that were Luther alive today he would regard all the various denominations as heterodox churches led by false teachers. This would also be the case with regards to confessional Lutheran churches because since the time of the Formula of Concord those who claim to be confessional Lutherans have rejected Luther's doctrine of absolute predestination (which includes predestination to hell) which he defended in his book The Bondage of the Will. He strongly argued against Erasmus that God has willed, foreknown and predestined everything that happens and that consequently there's no free will. The FC on the other hand denied that God has willed and predestined everything that happens, and stated that it's only God's foreknowledge which extends over everything. This however isn't what Scripture teaches because in Scripture God is the omnipotent Ruler of the universe where nothing can happen unless He wills it, which means everything is predestined to happen in accordance with His foreknowledge. I don't think Luther would have regarded the divergence between what he defended in the TBOTW and what Chemnitz defended in FC as a small matter of no consequence. Chemnitz rejected Luther's understanding of Romans 9, and stated in contradiction to him that God hasn't predestined anyone to be damned. I’m convinced that Luther, had he been alive in the 1580’s would have regarded Chemnitz’s teaching in the FC as false doctrine. Many ordinary Lutherans have been misled into thinking that Chemnitz was in agreement with Luther on predestination whereas that is absolutely not the case. I’m convinced that Luther was right on predestination and Chemnitz was wrong and this isn't a small matter of divergence of opinion but a matter of supreme importance. Denying that God has willed and predestined everything amounts to denying who God really is, which is the omnipotent Supreme Being who determines everything that happens. Luther of course also maintained that God desires to save everyone, but he said this was only true with respect to God's revealed will through Christ. But he never retracted what he had affirmed in TBOTW which is that God by His hidden omnipotent will has willed and predestined everything that happens including having willed and predestined some people to be saved and others to be damned.
Define "harsh language" at the beginning. You say harsh, crude, strong as if these are all interchangeable. You also need to to take into account the harsh language which Jesus used: white washed devils, your father the devil, dogs, serpents, fox, etc. The fact that Jesus utters *some* but not all, of these in Matthew 23 does not somehow eliminate the fact that he said them. In short not all harsh language Jesus uses are covenant judgments, and in fact it questionable whether any of them have these very narrow purpose. These show that merely using these words is not sinful in itself, even if there is a right and wrong application in using them, since we assume that Jesus did not sin in deeds or in *words.* Your hermeutic, consistently follwed, twould lead us to contextualize everything Jesus did to such an extent that we cannot emulate him, because he was doing something utterly unique to his time and place. Look to none other than Luther, my Lutheran friend, for what kind of language he thought was appropriate language.
@@DrJordanBCooperCheck my reply again. Looks like you didn't wait for me to update my reply as I proceeded. And you still didn't define terms up front. This is a consistent fault of your channel, please define terms at the beginning. You are using an unidentified definition of what crude or harsh or strong language is and the viewer is left to guess the operative meaning.
@@thelonelysponge5029I don't and won't. But I don't think this is what Cooper had in mind, but then again since he doesn't define his terms I don't know exactly what he meant.
I’m not sure what you want him to say. The reason why he’s being ambiguous is because language is always situational. I think instead of paying attention to the letter of the law he’s pointing to scripture for the spirit of the law. Basically don’t say things that aren’t for the good of others or in a way that isn’t charitable. This doesn’t exclude rebuking or refuting because correction is a loving act when done rightly.
You can be offended by words and deeds so deeply that you feel just anger, deep bitterness ja hate without any possibility to forgive. There is a biblical problem here. Preachers seem to teach that if you can not forgive to your enemies, which a violent speech and deed make anyone to you, you cant be forgiven. Well, what is more demanding that love in general and especially your enemy? It is the commandmend over anyother and fulfilment of the whole law. So, mercy and grace is over every sin, except the hardest one, breaking the commadment to love your enemy? It you are not capable to forgive, you are judged. Who ever breaks against you, stealing your proverty or you spouse, can ask forgiveness, they are forgiven, but you, if you can not forgive, you will be doomed.
again... quoting James 1:26 26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. do you think Peter's "religion"... was in vain?... I think Jordan... this is an instance where James was Not only speaking of "tongue".. as a body part... but James was using the word "tongue".. to symbolize "life style... or character... how we present ourselves to others.. and Yes.. he used the word tongue.. because that is perhaps the first indication of our Character to others... BUT... I do not feel that this word "tongue"... here is only speaking of how we respond to a comment.. or how we verbalize our feelings... if that was the case Peter was "damned".. should we respond... viciously?... NO... ..but Peter did.. and I believe he was forgiven.. .how much more so shall we ...who are Zealous for God .....be forgiven?..
Should any human use crude and offensive language? Why would anyone wanting to communicate (speak) shit down the minds of half the people who will hear the words?!?! Crude language is a poorly constructed communication strategy
I haven't finished the whole video yet but I'm not sure the claim is that harsh language is never appropriate. But that it isn't always appropriate. Perhaps not even often. But sometimes. Sure.
@@DrJordanBCooper I think that's at the very least a good side to ere on. (I probably didn't use the correct spelling but I hope I'm understood there.) (Corrected a spelling error)
will answer you with an instance from Peter's life... Matthew 26:74 74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew. in Peter's denial of Chris he swore plenty.. but do you think he was forgiven?.. YES he was...
So, to put it briefly, you are saying that you are no Martin Luther. You are more of a Phillip Melanchthon for our times. That is fine. Everyone has a lane they must stay in. But if you are going to make the case that it is not the station of the laity to bring harsh rebuke to the society they are in, because they are prone to vulgar speech, that puts double responsibility upon their pastors to fight the lions and wolves for them. God bless the ones that stand up and rebuke the madness in no uncertain terms, even if it may mean a cross for them. Those who will not have no right to rebuke their sheep for fighting as best as they can. As for myself, I have always known that you are a gifted Lutheran theologian. My frustration with you is not with what you do say, but with what you studiously avoid saying, and that is what is sorely needed in this time. When someone from the future looks back on this time, they will remember a Matt Walsh. If you are remembered, it will be as the guy, when the Red Guard has marched through all the institutions, children are being taught to be genitally mutilated by the schools and supported by the state and many other things too numerous to list, you were shooting in the back the people that are trying to take a stand with an I’ll conceived video like this. If I have wounded you by my words, I hope you will understand why.
What do the texts of Scripture say? How do you deal with the fact of these repeated commands to be respectful and gentle in speech? Do they mean anything at all? Should we ignore them? And the idea that I'm silent on cultural issues is just patently false.
@@DrJordanBCooper I’m saying that the way you are handling these scriptures would remove Martin Luther himself from being the hero that we view him to be. He was not in any way the kind of man you are prescribing for others to be and you know it. The things he said against his adversaries can still cause us to blush today. But it was precisely because of this boorish man with his vulgar and vicious ways that God saved and restored the Gospel. We need MORE men like this in our day. And when we have them, we don’t need to be shooting them in the back with how they are failing to live up to a legalistic ideal that no one can perfectly fulfill, especially if battle is expected of them. You say you speak out on cultural issues. How? By talking about how men need to be wearing suits again? You are in a bubble of your own making and have zero urgency to the situation Christians are in. When you have spoken about the philosophies that have brought us to this point in time, it has been overly academic and thoroughly unobjectionable… that is to say unremarkable. Something no one would take offense at. I hate to say it, but I see Lutheranism making again the mistakes they did in Germany in the 1930’s and 40’s. As the darkness approached, they scurried like a warren of frightened rabbits and sought the path that would cause them the least resistance. Cowards! There should have been thousands of Bonhoeffers. The madness and dangers are just as real today. Maybe worse. I am praying for you to find your voice and pick your side. Your intellect is too valuable to be hidden under a bushel.
@@DrJordanBCooper You yourself noted that you have been called to the prophetic office. You are the one who should be in the place of Christ and call out the whitewashed tombs, hypocrites and broods of vipers. It is your office to thunder unapologetically like the Prophets of the Old Testament. If you want the laity to be quiet and respectful as is the scriptural ideal, then do your job. If not, get out of the way as they try to the best of their ability to do your job.
@@logicaredux5205 I would repeat my first questions again, but it seems that they are not going to be answered. This is illustrative of the point. You can't deal with the text. Because it doesn't say what you want it to.
Grotesque and crude language. Right like Luther. And you use James. Very good. Luther doesn't listen to Epistles of straw. Maybe that is why he was so filthy mouthed.
If being a Christian means I'm not allowed to swear, on top of all the other stuff I'm not allowed to do, then this religion is not for me. I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. God, who wiped out entire people groups has a problem with me saying the "f-word?" That seems really weird. Offended by me cracking a dirty joke, meanwhile since groups of people didn't worship him as the almighty, he's wiping them out. I mean, come on. Then snapping whips at people, calling them white washed tombs, children of the devil, comparing Israel to a whore who loves big penises and lots of semen...and yet if I call someone an a--hole, I'm somehow the bad guy? This really seems very contradictory. Again, there's tons of restrictions in the Bible already, and yet my language is somehow a really big deal. That baffles my mind.
Religion doesn't depend on feelings, it depends on truth. If christianity is true (which i think it is) then it doesn't matter what you/i want but what God wants, there's no room for "what's for you". That's the problem of modernity, everything depends on what one wants, not what's true. I hope you realize that.
As a follower of Luther you should pull out all the stops, cursing and and spewing vulgarities as much as you wished. The Bible says: a student is not greater than his master
Thank you for this! Stay strong in calling out the Twitter trolls who think their "based"-ness justifies their degenerate speech
crude and rude zoomers
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Yeah! Let's celebrate being wimps! Whooo! Wimps and nerds unite!
@@JohnBlades how do you respond to the scriptures that say to have respectful speech?
How do you respond to the verses where Jesus is anything but engaging in respectful speech?
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Love this video! I so agree.
Ephesians 5:4
Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving.
Excellent.
What about prophets using bad language? Like Ezekiel uses foul language. Jesus uses offensive language. He had many offensive things and insulting things to say. Just look at all the name calling of the Pharisees.
Crude and foul language can be ok in the right circumstances. The problem is when people use foul language all the time instead of when it is called for.
@@br.m you can be firm in speech without using foul language. I have literally done it for 34 years. I was taught not to curse growing up, and I never curse even when mad. It’s doable. My husband stopped cursing after he became saved. He never curses. My parents, and Grandparents I have never heard curse in my entire life. Even cooler it makes your testimony for Christ stronger having language that is now foul. People notice especially in work environments.
@@capturedbyannamarie Sir I agree with what you wrote.
I am not at all trying to suggest people should curse. Could I think of it like meat sacrificed to idols?
If it makes you stumble, it is good you avoid it. I will try to remember to avoid foul language when you are around.
On the other hand, some people might respond better to foul language. If I were like Paul, and in the world but not of it, if I were all things to all people... Then I might go convert some people who swear, speak in slang, etc...
If you approached such a gang, and you spoke nerdy, they might just laugh and mock you and chase you away or stone you. If I went to the same gang and I spoke with words they are comfortable and familiar with, then they might be more receptive and understanding.
Guilty as charged, Dr. Cooper. Thank you for keepin' it real. I am repenting as I am listening to this. I appreciate this exhortation. I needed it. Lord have mercy upon me!!
Your video on etiquette changed my entire perspective on the way I composed myself and talked to others, and now I struggle hard with not cursing, though I put an effort to do so everyday. This video came at the perfect time and really strengthened my resolve not only to avoid cursing in discussion, but altogether.
It's hard to overstate how much impact these videos have on my life as a developing young man in my 20s, but you are a great role model, who brings me closest to our greatest role model.
PS: bought your Lutheran catechism devotional for my girlfriend and she loves it, excited to hear about the new publications coming out!
This is a popular issue within the Reformed and Reformed Baptist camps. It is often tangled up in what is now being dubbed the “Theo Bro” group that places a revival in masculinity as one of its big issues. I personally appreciate your example, Dr Cooper. It is refreshing.
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks...
You and Gavin Ortlund have become my favorite youtubers. I love you both. Just one thing: bring back the ascot
I have three of them, and do wear them occasionally. You'll see it again at some point.
"follows 1 Peter 3:15 too much!" "Too gracious and respectful!"
Thanks for this. I'm here after closing the Twitter app after seeing the new trailer for Lady Ballers from Daily Wire. Their "humor" hadn't quite seized me one could say. So listening to this is a breath of fresh air. I'm always pointed to Jesus and the gospels when watching your videos. Thanks again.
I agree. I like Ben Shapiro because I think he is one of the closest commentators to Burke but I think the seriousness of the conservative mission embodied by Ben is overshadowed by performance acts of the daily wire at large. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were tension behind closed doors about the degree to which sensationalism is acceptable considering how often Ben himself speaks against it especially in the Republican Party.
@@williampeters9838 I think this a good take. Ben and Klavan are my favorites over there. I don't really listen to anyone else there regularly. But I agree about potential behind the scenes tensions. That Candace stuff seems... unsustainable. I hope in the future they make content that isn't so focused on the distasteful aspects of our society that we wish would just go away. But maybe instead make movies _for something_ and not necessarily against something. Idk that probably isn't a recipe for financial success these days lol.
Thanks for this video. I think it’s a lot easier to proclaim the truth in love when one is emotionally regulated. I come from a family that has very poor emotional regulation so it’s difficult for me to be honest with people sometimes because I correlate telling someone the hard truth with getting angry and yelling at them since that was how it was modeled for me growing up, and I’m trying to get better at communicating true things in a more charitable and controlled manner.
Thank you for sharing. I assure you that you are not alone in this. What you describe resonates with my own past experience. Keep the faith and God Bless....
Very timely and well said. Thank you Dr. Cooper!
When I’m eating Dino chicken nuggies I like to exclaim “these are so motherclucking good!!!” Is that ok?
No.
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@@DrJordanBCooperI mean, I don’t see what’s so different between that and other replacement cuss words like heck (which you seem to be fine with). Sure, the curse word itself is more offensive, but both are offensive enough to require a substitute word. So if one qualifies as profanity it stands to reason the other does as well.
You are taken more seriously in discussions when you avoid crude language. You can see this in debates, intellectual circles, at universities, and also at church. Words and how we use them should be void of any bad language including swear words.
A lot of "intellectual circles" are not circles worthy of respect
An added perk is if you ever accidentally let harsh language slip in a moment of weakness people would know you really mean it haha.
But who decides what crude language is? A lot of Christians will use replacement words that has the exact same meaning as what they think is a. Cuss word so it ends up being the same exact thing.like the f word and sex mean the same thing or poop is the same as the s word so it's all just opinions
@@pure-blood69 The approach I use is that it isn't the word but rather the tone and context of the word. For instance if one was to say go "fudge" yourself instead of using the current societal deemed crude F word then the intent is still there and the understanding of what is being said is still there.
Great video Dr. Cooper. These things needed to be said and you are spot on.
Very edifying video, thank you. The concerns about not being "masculine enough" and acting brazenly against biblical precepts because the surrounding culture sees them as too meek is such an odd strand of contemporary Christian behavior/thought. People need to take a step back from the culture war.
Given how effeminate some parts of the church (and the surrounding culture) can be, I’m honestly not surprised to see some guys acting out like so.
Alot of the right aren't true Christians. Alot of them conflate Christianity with white supremacy
Without putting it in a religious context, but from the viewpoint of 73 years of social interactions; crude and offensive language is certainly unnecessary and a sign of a weak mind trying to express itself forcefully.
It seems to me that in this video, and in society at large, we muddy the differences between profanity and foul language.
One person can tell lies and gossip and intentionally hurt others without saying a single word of profanity. Another person can speak truth, or encourage a friend, and use profanity while doing so.
I completely agree that we should guard our tongue. And I'm all for being slow to speak. I'm also for not letting your anger, jealousy, etc. control what you say.
But, the sorts of words which are socially acceptable can and do change over time, and from one culture to another, and even from one class to another within a given culture. While I do try to avoid profanity myself, I would argue that rather than trying to avoid the naughty words, our main goal should instead be to focus on principles. Things like don't lie, don't gossip, don't speak out of anger, don't try to tear others down, and so on.
How exactly would this apply to swear words that are not directed at other people? For example "I had a *shit* day" or something harsher?
Skubula
Calm down
You are right in that it depends on context. And you proved it in your talk.
I sense this was not a previously planned video. I am a Lutheran today because of your witness on this issue.
Yes, I agree Jordan. There seems to be a trend that makes being a jerk "cool". I've been guilty of it, and need to strive against that tendency every day. It's also true that Christians have taken the political toxicity so prevalent today and internalized it, lashing out at every perceived thing they don't agree with. It's actually quite immature.
I don't get this at all. The Gospel is already the most offensive thing in this world. Why would any Christian heap additional offense on top?
Such a good and thoughtful treatment of this issue...so badly needed today. I've run into many young people who are passionate about their beliefs, but think that tactlessness and disrespectfulness are virtues, and it's good to hear a thorough Biblical perspective on this issue.
Such a good topic and way of approaching it. Thanks Dr. Cooper
Had a guy saying he was Cristian and also was blatantly racist saying white people were superior and I definitely went off on him so I needed this video today lmao thank you Dr Cooper
Very straight forward and unambiguous teaching. Definitely something to wrestle with. What I’ve found troubling as well is that these Scriptures often don’t just refer to swear words or insults, but also the 8th Commandment. For the longest time I attended a church where swearing was a very real and serious sin to avoid, yet slander and malicious talk was rampant; I came to realize over time that the two sins are both forms of not only unwholesome talk but also cursing your neighbor. I’ve become more wary of the way I speak to others, or at least how I try, since coming to this realization.
Thank you so much Dr.
Loved this video, a very important message and well delivered as allways. Your strong character, charitable attitude, honesty and temperance are what got me listining to you regularly, and over the many hours ive spent with your videos and books i have been drawn into Confesional Lutheranism. Many thanks and God bless.
The one I hear all the time: “Whaddabout Phil 3:8?! Paul said ‘sh*t’! Paul said ‘sh*t’! Paul said ‘sh*t’! I can too!!”
Thanks, I needed this! There's something great about an ordained minister putting us laymen in our place
This is a much needed message for the body of Christ. I've left a couple of Lutheran social media groups in past because of harsh language and attitudes. These days it's sometimes difficult to state any truth without someone taking offense and reverting to speech as a weapon. Thanks for this post. PS: Maybe some teaching on the use of speech in complaining would be welcome... Pray, praise, and give thanks instead!
My conclusion is that I have a lot of repenting to do 😭 but God is good and he will change my speech through my repentance
Thank you for teaching on this extremely important issue. Excellently done! As you say, scripture is clear. Further, how are we to spread the Gospel when Christians act un-Christ-like. Believers are supposed to model God’s love because the Spirit abides in us. As ambassadors of Christ, our words and actions can negatively reflect on the Lord we serve.
Great video God bless you
Matt Walsh comes to mind.
Don't say that. The "true conservative christians" won't like you.
Does describing abortion as murder or transing kids as “mutilating” come off as vulgar to you? Or is there something actually vulgar here says? Generally he’s guilty of having a monotone, grumpy sounding voice.
He commented that because Matt Walsh criticized Jordan Cooper for not gung-ho endorsing the kind of abrasive strategy Matt took against transgenderism.
@@williampeters9838what evidence has led you to this conclusion?
Omg I was thinking that too
As a Calvinist attending a LCMS local church, I have some friends there that will use F bombs occasionally for emphasis, when we hang out afterwards in other non church environments…of which I’m not immune from using infrequently too 😱
Thanks for this video, Jordan
Oof, this was an important rebuke on me. I work in customer service, and calling someone a fool (whether to my coworkers or just in my own mind) is probably a daily occurrence... 😬
I think that the company does matter. Around my mother I would never cuss, but alone or with a good friend I will use certain words. And I do not curse or damn anyone, I take that very seriously. We are perfectly imperfect. Praise Jesus.
Harsh language sometimes makes the best point. Curse words empower the spirits (demons) of the air, however.
God's truth! Very needful exhortation. I am convicted once more. Thanks, Dr. Cooper!
Luther did...
And, some of our beloved puritans along with some Reformers... but that's none of my business. 🍵
How much does culture factor into what constitutes course or rude language?
The underlying question is how is a Lutheran to reconcile the harsh and vulgar language that Martin Luther would use? I've seen this used as an argument against Luther, that because he was vulgar in speech, his message should be diminished.
Three things:
1. Luther's theology being right does not mean that his manner of speech always is.
2. Luther's harsh language was toward those who he believed were deceiving the sheep. It's not like he just randomly insulted people.
3. Luther would often apologize for his language being too harsh.
@@DrJordanBCooper thank you! Yeah I've had this argument made to me a few times (I'm LCMS). I appreciate the clarification
The thumbnail is fantastic.
Did Luther use crude and offensive language?
Yes
Yes and tho we Lutherans love Dr. Luther we also are not afraid to say when his behavior was at times not Christ like. We have that freedom because we don’t believe men are infallible. Luther was just a man, he did some great things but was flawed like everyone else.
@@Tiredhike Exactly. Jesus is our highest example, not Luther, regardless whether one is Lutheran or not.
❤❤thanks. Loved this.
If I may ask, how should we approach the imprecatory prayers if psalms. Or view Christian movements like the civil rights movement that was vocal and rebuked the racist climate and government if their time?
Christians can absolutely pray against sinful movements that are harming society. There's a difference between, for example, praying against the radical transgender movement and insulting a person taken in by that movement to their face.
@@DrJordanBCooperlet's say peaceful protests. Is there a place for that. As a young black believer I appreciate all those that came before me like the abolitionists and those who struggled through the civil rights movement. I guess my question is is there biblical grounds for what they fought for because obviously what they did was "civil disobedience" and often would require some kind of rebuke in discourse. These are my thoughts...
@@simplyserge144 These commands in the New Testament do not prohibit peaceful protest or action against an abusive state or other authority. But we have to have decorum while doing it. In other words, civil disobedience vs. destructive riots.
@@DrJordanBCooperfair point, thank you
@@DrJordanBCooperif I may ask. What are your thoughts on Christian pacifism?
But as a layperson, I can proclaim the gospel to unbelievers, yes? And I don't like to discuss either way, but if someone wants to discuss, then I can answer him in a friendly way ?
Oh of course! There's plenty of lay-evangelism in Scripture. It's not that you can't teach theology in *any* capacity. But you shouldn't act like you have the authority of a called and ordained pastor if you aren't.
@@DrJordanBCooper I understand, thank you
This topic is very much needed in todays culture.
I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
(Matthew 12:37-38)
Dr. Cooper can you do an expanded discussion on Matthew 7:21 and it's proper interpretation, as well as the proper Biblical way of testing ones faith (retrospect), I think that would be helpful for people struggling with assurance 🙏
Regarding the authority issue: Should lay Christians still call someone out for living in sin?
Thanks for the video. Good thoughts. However, I think the topic of this video can be misleading and may be taken in a way that goes beyond what you have established biblically. I think Christians should certainly agree that we should not speak harshly with others; rather, we should address others in gentleness and love. However, the video title (as well as parts of the video) imply that we aren’t permitted to ever use swear words (i.e., specific vocabulary words or phrases commonly classified as "cursing"). It’s not clear to me from your biblical arguments that such language is impermissible. We can of course curse people without ever using so-called curse words, and we can use curse words in certain contexts without cursing anyone. For example, a Christian novelist could write these words for the language of their characters for realistic effect or to make a point; or one may occassionally tell a joke to their spouse and use such a word to humorous effect. There may also be biblical precedent for using such words, since some commentators seem to think Paul used a swear word in Philippians 3:8. Still, I’m sure a translation along these lines is up for debate.
In any case, I don’t see a biblical argument against ever using such words - only against using them against others in the way you specify here. I’m also pretty sure that any argument for a wholesale prohibition on such words or similar language would implausibly over-generalize to disallow for euphemisms such as “crap" or even mild (by anyone's standard) off-color jokes to one's friends and family. Plausibly, I think there is a virtue that falls in line with scriptural aims for our language in regards to this kind of language. One shouldn’t be prudish (as in turning up their nose when they read “damn” in a C.S. Lewis novel) but they also shouldn’t be utterly profane by overly using this kind of language in their daily speech. Excessive profanity robs the words of any impact they have for emphasis anyways. The golden mean in this case would be prudence in our speech. Such words can be used sparingly and for effect such as Paul does, if he does, in Phil. 3:8.
How do you deal with unqualified men who have usurped the pastoral office?
I agree with you in principle. We should be characterized by life affirming speech-- speaking the truth in love. There are times, rare times, where we are required to speak harshly however. One cannot gently confront Great Evils. That said, we had better be really sure that's what's going on before we blast something or someone. In my own life (I'm in my 60s), for example, I can easily count on one hand the number of times such harsh language would have been required. Note the word choice. Required, not justified.
On a separate issue, I'd encourage you to think more deeply about dividing the body into clergy and laity. What the text says to leaders applies to everyone if for no other reason than leaders are to be role models.
this is an eye opening talk! we as christians don't realize we are saying or how it is being said. satan has a short time on earth and trying to to deceive us as much as he can! this is a good talk indeed! Thank - you!
I don’t know if you had intended for this or not, but this would be a very good lead in to an exploration of the doctrine of the priesthood of all believers. I am certain, having come from evangelicalism, that this is a very misunderstood doctrine in modern American Christianity.
The main Protestant Church in England says the King can be a Freemason or an adulterer, but not a Roman Catholic. If I describe Protestantism as “evil”, is that offensive?
I use the Septuagint "New Jerusalem" Bible with the Deuterocanonical Apocrypha. In Wisdom of Joshua Ben Sira, there is a chapter that strictly warns against foul and vulgar language. Profanity has lost its shock value and it's used continuously by the masses. But as Christians, we are not to use it. Jesus said, "what comes out of a man's mouth shows if he is clean or unclean." Filthy language exposes a filthy soul.
Thank you. I was not aware of the distinction you draw between laity and clergy. My pastor tends to downplay "special status" for his office (though we don't always listen, and we credit it to him anyway). Perhaps he privately agrees with you. In any case, it's a lot of food for thought.
"should we care about how we use our words" or "should we say whatever we want" is not at all the same question as whether we should use offensive language. to suggest that they are the same issue is disingenuous, and constitutes a strawman or a mott and bailey.
I think he was saying that they are different in degrees but not in kind. Uncharitable speech is uncharitable.
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Are you responding to name calling and mean spirited talk more generally, or the use of specific words? Like is the use of some words in itself a sin? Also what if I use a word like bs very rarely and in a controlled way to denote extreme disapproval? I want to be very careful with my words and those were some things that were unclear.
It's really hard to draw a strict line as to what's appropriate and what isn't. Certainly, Scripture's primary concern is mean-spirited talk toward other people. And you shouldn't use talk which would be offensive in whatever social context you might happen to be in.
@@DrJordanBCooper Thanks that makes a lot of sense. That's kind of what I thought but hearing you put it that way helps.
I think there is room for some harsh language though. For example, Paul calls the Galatians fools who should castrate themselves. He didn’t really need to go that far technically…but he did. By today’s standards (and I imagine the first century standards), that would have been an insult. How do you respond to this?
Did you watch the whole video?
@@DrJordanBCooperI got distracted and missed the last few minutes lol. I just finished and now it all makes sense. 😅
@@DiademStudios9 hah. All good.
While I agree broadly with your conclusion, I think you didn’t really engage meaningfully with the six or so passages you quoted at the beginning. It seemed like proof texting, quoting them as if they were an end to any discussion, without digging deeper into them.
But oddly enough, when it came to the equivalent proof texts on the other side, you spent much more time and dug out some meaning from their face value. An even-handed approach would’ve been more helpful and more convincing.
For example, I came on here hoping to hear some commentary around Colossians 4:6 where Paul says that as gracious as our speech must be, it should also be “seasoned with salt.” What did he mean by that? It sounds like there should be a bit of cheekiness in there, especially since the closest reference to that phrase that I could find was in classical Greek where salt in speech was a metaphor for wit, charm, or humour. But then again, it could also refer to purifying and keeping your words free from corruption. Some of this kind of engagement at the beginning with the texts and their actual meanin would’ve been more persuasive and helpful.
But once again, I broadly agree with your conclusions and think we need to speak more kindly to one another, but I think you left some big gaps in your reasoning which make your conclusion vulnerable to attack
Good video! That said, while I agree with the assessment that people use too much crude/offensive language, it seems as though the reason justifying such a thing in the bible is that we should avoid scandalizing our fellow Christians or being disreputable among people generally. But if this is the case, then it seems as though language that is normally crude/offensive might cease to be crude or offensive in contexts where it is not considered disreputable or scandalous by those present. For example, young people often use the F-word quite frequently in their language, and take no offense when it is said. Might we as Christians, therefore, use what is *usually* called crude language in such circumstances where the people involved do not find such language to be crude or offensive, nor scandalous? I have in mind cases where Christians who use this kind of language and see no issue with it gather together.
I suspect that you speak with grace and dignity because you'd immediately sense that you were grieving the Holy Spirit if you were to do otherwise. And if being formed into the image and likeness of Christ (in terms of your speech and deportment) makes you an object of scorn and derision, rejoice and be glad because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
In the Jewish tradition, the Rabbi known as Chofetz chaim wrote extensively from the Talmud how serious evil communication is , or Lashon Hara . In some sense hatred of another with your words is ALOT worse than some actions. The intent behind one’s words is also important. We are inherently made in the image of God so to degrade another or yourself is akin to blasphemy or spiritual assault/ killing another’ soul.
When I first accepted the gospel my first question was this one. I always understood “ swearing” to be more about proper and intelligent or useful expression rather than using “bad words” Language can be offensive or not offensive depending on crowds but it’s not always intelligent.
However sometimes crude language is even used biblically. I was moreso thinking about Paul’s usage of skubala” or the vulgar form of excrement and even telling people to castrate themselves.
Some people will say “ i cant trust someone who appears too goody two shoes”
Yeah, just reading the video title... I think St. Paul is pretty clear about that and the answer is "no". Not saying I'm perfect, but if vulgar language comes out of my mouth I feel convicted about it and repent.
You're in tune with the Spirit. When we eliminate sins, we feel clean like after taking a shower. We can conquer vulgarity, but it's not easy in our culture. Still, we can do it with the Lord's help.
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@@didymussumydid9726 you mean filtered through the Mathew Henry david commentary
I didn't understand your authority remark at the end. I assume you didn't mean Christians can never speak righteous indignation against sins unless they're a pastor; for example, explaining deception for gain is fraud and theft to someone you know who deliberately ommitted important information to someone buying a house, olwhile testifying in court, etc.
It sounds kind of like you either mean excommunication from worship or sacrament, or telling someone they aren't a Christian, or maybe you just mean telling someone they're going to hell.
I'm thinking more specifically of laypeople yelling at pastors on social media and accusing them of all sorts of heresies.
@@DrJordanBCooper Thank you for the clarification. I think it was Pastor Mike Winger who said he considered Joel Osteen a Christian when reviewing one of his videos, and people criticized him harshly just for that.
On the subject of who should be regarded as false teachers it’s evident to me that there's a wide discrepancy between what Luther held and what those who profess to be Lutherans hold. Luther said for instance:
Therefore do not doubt that if you deny God in one article, then you have surely denied Him in all; for He does not permit Himself to be divided piecemeal into many articles, but He is altogether in every one and all of them and always one God … In short, we want to retain all articles of the Christian faith absolutely pure and sure and not give up one tittle of them no matter whether they are great or small (though none is small or unimportant to us). And so it must be, for the doctrine is our only light which shines upon our way and guides us to heaven. If we allow it to be made weak and feeble in one place, it will surely become altogether powerless; If we fail at this point, love will not help us...
It is certain that whosoever does not rightly believe or desire one article (after he has been admonished or instructed) he surely believes none seriously and in true faith... Therefore you have the choice: either believe everything and all, plainly and simply, or else believe nothing. The Holy Spirit does not permit himself to be separated or divided so that He would teach or have us believe one doctrine truly and another falsely. Exceptions (of course) are the weak who are ready to be instructed and do not contradict maliciously. (end quotes)
So it appears to me that were Luther alive today he would regard all the various denominations as heterodox churches led by false teachers. This would also be the case with regards to confessional Lutheran churches because since the time of the Formula of Concord those who claim to be confessional Lutherans have rejected Luther's doctrine of absolute predestination (which includes predestination to hell) which he defended in his book The Bondage of the Will. He strongly argued against Erasmus that God has willed, foreknown and predestined everything that happens and that consequently there's no free will. The FC on the other hand denied that God has willed and predestined everything that happens, and stated that it's only God's foreknowledge which extends over everything. This however isn't what Scripture teaches because in Scripture God is the omnipotent Ruler of the universe where nothing can happen unless He wills it, which means everything is predestined to happen in accordance with His foreknowledge.
I don't think Luther would have regarded the divergence between what he defended in the TBOTW and what Chemnitz defended in FC as a small matter of no consequence. Chemnitz rejected Luther's understanding of Romans 9, and stated in contradiction to him that God hasn't predestined anyone to be damned. I’m convinced that Luther, had he been alive in the 1580’s would have regarded Chemnitz’s teaching in the FC as false doctrine. Many ordinary Lutherans have been misled into thinking that Chemnitz was in agreement with Luther on predestination whereas that is absolutely not the case. I’m convinced that Luther was right on predestination and Chemnitz was wrong and this isn't a small matter of divergence of opinion but a matter of supreme importance. Denying that God has willed and predestined everything amounts to denying who God really is, which is the omnipotent Supreme Being who determines everything that happens. Luther of course also maintained that God desires to save everyone, but he said this was only true with respect to God's revealed will through Christ. But he never retracted what he had affirmed in TBOTW which is that God by His hidden omnipotent will has willed and predestined everything that happens including having willed and predestined some people to be saved and others to be damned.
Define "harsh language" at the beginning. You say harsh, crude, strong as if these are all interchangeable. You also need to to take into account the harsh language which Jesus used: white washed devils, your father the devil, dogs, serpents, fox, etc. The fact that Jesus utters *some* but not all, of these in Matthew 23 does not somehow eliminate the fact that he said them. In short not all harsh language Jesus uses are covenant judgments, and in fact it questionable whether any of them have these very narrow purpose. These show that merely using these words is not sinful in itself, even if there is a right and wrong application in using them, since we assume that Jesus did not sin in deeds or in *words.* Your hermeutic, consistently follwed, twould lead us to contextualize everything Jesus did to such an extent that we cannot emulate him, because he was doing something utterly unique to his time and place. Look to none other than Luther, my Lutheran friend, for what kind of language he thought was appropriate language.
It sounds like you didn't watch the whole video.
@@DrJordanBCooperCheck my reply again. Looks like you didn't wait for me to update my reply as I proceeded. And you still didn't define terms up front. This is a consistent fault of your channel, please define terms at the beginning. You are using an unidentified definition of what crude or harsh or strong language is and the viewer is left to guess the operative meaning.
@@philagon Just don't curse dude.
@@thelonelysponge5029I don't and won't. But I don't think this is what Cooper had in mind, but then again since he doesn't define his terms I don't know exactly what he meant.
I’m not sure what you want him to say. The reason why he’s being ambiguous is because language is always situational. I think instead of paying attention to the letter of the law he’s pointing to scripture for the spirit of the law. Basically don’t say things that aren’t for the good of others or in a way that isn’t charitable. This doesn’t exclude rebuking or refuting because correction is a loving act when done rightly.
You can be offended by words and deeds so deeply that you feel just anger, deep bitterness ja hate without any possibility to forgive.
There is a biblical problem here. Preachers seem to teach that if you can not forgive to your enemies, which a violent speech and deed make anyone to you, you cant be forgiven.
Well, what is more demanding that love in general and especially your enemy? It is the commandmend over anyother and fulfilment of the whole law.
So, mercy and grace is over every sin, except the hardest one, breaking the commadment to love your enemy? It you are not capable to forgive, you are judged.
Who ever breaks against you, stealing your proverty or you spouse, can ask forgiveness, they are forgiven, but you, if you can not forgive, you will be doomed.
again... quoting James 1:26
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
do you think Peter's "religion"... was in vain?...
I think Jordan... this is an instance where James was Not only speaking of "tongue".. as a body part... but James was using the word "tongue".. to symbolize "life style... or character... how we present ourselves to others.. and Yes.. he used the word tongue.. because that is perhaps the first indication of our Character to others...
BUT... I do not feel that this word "tongue"... here is only speaking of how we respond to a comment.. or how we verbalize our feelings...
if that was the case Peter was "damned"..
should we respond... viciously?... NO... ..but Peter did.. and I believe he was forgiven..
.how much more so shall we ...who are Zealous for God .....be forgiven?..
Should any human use crude and offensive language? Why would anyone wanting to communicate (speak) shit down the minds of half the people who will hear the words?!?! Crude language is a poorly constructed communication strategy
Jesus called people snakes, dogs, and foxes in His day. Paul refers to his old life as "shit" in Philippians.
I haven't finished the whole video yet but I'm not sure the claim is that harsh language is never appropriate. But that it isn't always appropriate. Perhaps not even often. But sometimes. Sure.
@@4jgarnerI'm not sure that social media is ever the time to do so.
@@DrJordanBCooper I think that's at the very least a good side to ere on. (I probably didn't use the correct spelling but I hope I'm understood there.)
(Corrected a spelling error)
will answer you with an instance from Peter's life...
Matthew 26:74
74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
in Peter's denial of Chris he swore plenty.. but do you think he was forgiven?.. YES he was...
Famous apologist Sam Shamoun would strongly disagree with you :D. He is well known for his rude language
So, to put it briefly, you are saying that you are no Martin Luther. You are more of a Phillip Melanchthon for our times. That is fine. Everyone has a lane they must stay in. But if you are going to make the case that it is not the station of the laity to bring harsh rebuke to the society they are in, because they are prone to vulgar speech, that puts double responsibility upon their pastors to fight the lions and wolves for them. God bless the ones that stand up and rebuke the madness in no uncertain terms, even if it may mean a cross for them. Those who will not have no right to rebuke their sheep for fighting as best as they can. As for myself, I have always known that you are a gifted Lutheran theologian. My frustration with you is not with what you do say, but with what you studiously avoid saying, and that is what is sorely needed in this time. When someone from the future looks back on this time, they will remember a Matt Walsh. If you are remembered, it will be as the guy, when the Red Guard has marched through all the institutions, children are being taught to be genitally mutilated by the schools and supported by the state and many other things too numerous to list, you were shooting in the back the people that are trying to take a stand with an I’ll conceived video like this. If I have wounded you by my words, I hope you will understand why.
What do the texts of Scripture say? How do you deal with the fact of these repeated commands to be respectful and gentle in speech? Do they mean anything at all? Should we ignore them?
And the idea that I'm silent on cultural issues is just patently false.
@@DrJordanBCooper I’m saying that the way you are handling these scriptures would remove Martin Luther himself from being the hero that we view him to be. He was not in any way the kind of man you are prescribing for others to be and you know it. The things he said against his adversaries can still cause us to blush today. But it was precisely because of this boorish man with his vulgar and vicious ways that God saved and restored the Gospel. We need MORE men like this in our day. And when we have them, we don’t need to be shooting them in the back with how they are failing to live up to a legalistic ideal that no one can perfectly fulfill, especially if battle is expected of them.
You say you speak out on cultural issues. How? By talking about how men need to be wearing suits again? You are in a bubble of your own making and have zero urgency to the situation Christians are in. When you have spoken about the philosophies that have brought us to this point in time, it has been overly academic and thoroughly unobjectionable… that is to say unremarkable. Something no one would take offense at.
I hate to say it, but I see Lutheranism making again the mistakes they did in Germany in the 1930’s and 40’s. As the darkness approached, they scurried like a warren of frightened rabbits and sought the path that would cause them the least resistance. Cowards! There should have been thousands of Bonhoeffers. The madness and dangers are just as real today. Maybe worse. I am praying for you to find your voice and pick your side. Your intellect is too valuable to be hidden under a bushel.
@logicaredux5205 you have yet to actually interact with the numerous Scriptural texts here. Is Scripture your authority, or political pragmatism?
@@DrJordanBCooper You yourself noted that you have been called to the prophetic office. You are the one who should be in the place of Christ and call out the whitewashed tombs, hypocrites and broods of vipers. It is your office to thunder unapologetically like the Prophets of the Old Testament. If you want the laity to be quiet and respectful as is the scriptural ideal, then do your job. If not, get out of the way as they try to the best of their ability to do your job.
@@logicaredux5205 I would repeat my first questions again, but it seems that they are not going to be answered. This is illustrative of the point. You can't deal with the text. Because it doesn't say what you want it to.
Turn the other cheek.Luthers Bondage of the will sec.1-8...Romans 1
Grotesque and crude language. Right like Luther. And you use James. Very good. Luther doesn't listen to Epistles of straw. Maybe that is why he was so filthy mouthed.
If being a Christian means I'm not allowed to swear, on top of all the other stuff I'm not allowed to do, then this religion is not for me. I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. God, who wiped out entire people groups has a problem with me saying the "f-word?" That seems really weird. Offended by me cracking a dirty joke, meanwhile since groups of people didn't worship him as the almighty, he's wiping them out.
I mean, come on. Then snapping whips at people, calling them white washed tombs, children of the devil, comparing Israel to a whore who loves big penises and lots of semen...and yet if I call someone an a--hole, I'm somehow the bad guy?
This really seems very contradictory. Again, there's tons of restrictions in the Bible already, and yet my language is somehow a really big deal. That baffles my mind.
Religion doesn't depend on feelings, it depends on truth. If christianity is true (which i think it is) then it doesn't matter what you/i want but what God wants, there's no room for "what's for you". That's the problem of modernity, everything depends on what one wants, not what's true. I hope you realize that.
As a follower of Luther you should pull out all the stops, cursing and and spewing vulgarities as much as you wished. The Bible says: a student is not greater than his master