This was tricky. So many 'Great 8s' from the past 10-12 years, how would you order the list from A-D? And any we need to consider for the next episode?
@@DannyCareYT Danny i'd love to see an analysis of England's attack especially compared to the Lancaster era. Lanny had you running those diamond pods with forwards on the crash and options out the back, England were cutting teams up. Our midfield looks static with very few incisive running lines or options for the ten to pick. It looks really hard for the backs to conjure anything without the structure in place, Marcus is one man band. Would be great to see a video on how England could develop their attack and where it's going wrong! Much love!
As a one-eyed Saints fan, Louie Picamoles has the best Number 8 I've seen at the Gardens. We've had some good ones over the years, Rodber, Shelford, Lam, and Wilson, but King Louie was the best.
Hi Danny..just read your book..really enjoyed it…I am 70 and been an England fan all my life….you are one of the best English player I have seen throughout my lifetime….brilliant scrum half ..dynamic and different…god bless you and all your family❤
not in last 12 years but Zinzan Brook is the greatest no.8 ever to play the game - unmatched skill set. great carrier, great defender - immense will to win
@@jameswyatt4443 Stop talking waft. For a good few years. Only Kieran read was better than Toby. Injures plagued him since 2018 but from 2013 to 18 he was ridiculous. Never missed a game. Always 7.5. - 8 out of 10. Rugby didn't start last year mind 😂.
Picamoles deserved better and very harsh on Parisse but given the other 3 in A, hard to argue. Billy V was arguably the best number 8 in the world for a year or two when England went on their 18 win streak but before and after that period he was mediocre.
Picamoles was a 1 trick pony, crash ball, he couldn't defend or ruck, and was never a line out option. If anything, it's imanol that's not getting the love he deserves. Done everything faletau could do and won 5 6nations titles with France 🤷♂️
I'm an English fan but i think if it wasn't for him Wales wouldn't have been the side they were throughout the 2010s, possibly forgetting how good he was at one point like people do with Billy V
It’s all subject to option, but at his peak Faletau was sensational. Tougher than he looks and more skillful than Wiese. Top 4…Read, Dallaglio, Savea, Falletau
Criminally underrated. As a South African I expect you probably didnt watch enough of him in his prime. Plagued by injuries, and playing for a nation that was never really going to compete for a WC. All opinions anyway.
@@florianvaly7967 agree, however 2 of those greats were before his era so he had no idea how good they were. As mentioned before Wiese had got a long way before being compared to them.
There was always going to be an AB or 2 in the top tier if your doing the past 15 years 😂, both have won world rugby player of the year, Reid was very consistent at staying at the top for a long period of time, plus he had vast range of skillsets no other number 8 had, and Ardie pretty similar but hes still going, and now they have Wallace Sititi😂
Horror list tbh. The Harinordoquy disrespect screams of never having even watched him properly tbh. Clearly above half the players here. The whole list is seriously questionable tbh. I don’t think it could’ve gone much worse. A - Read, Parisse, Vermuelen, Savea A- B - Alldritt, Harinordoquy, Faletau, Vunipola (more of a B-) C - Picamoles, Wiese, Mata, Isa
Not sure how many international caps you have or how many professional games you’ve played Alex, but between those three they have a few and their opinions are informed and considered. You can only have 3 in each level too. Thanks for the input.
@@DannyCareYT just some feedback - I'm fairly confident you're an admin (as opposed to DC), but you're coming across as really catty here (also see your reply to the guy who asked about more closeup shots, being a smartarse about pausing the video??). Seeing snarky responses makes me much less inclined to watch the channel. Respond to the positive stuff, and if you're unable to reply more politely to the negative stuff, then maybe just say nothing. Cheers.
@@DannyCareYT thank you for taking my feedback constructively as it was intended 👍 us brits do sarcasm better than anyone in the world, but it often doesn't come across well online when tone of voice is lost. Looking forward to the next videos
Read and Vermeulen are the only solid instant As for me. The rest all have patches of A grade performance but really depends what part of their career you look at. Hard list to rate.
Axxey, agreed - some of these 8s have been consistently brilliant. If we're grading on consistency, what about Parisse...brilliant every game, even when the going is very tough with eth squad. Great comment
8s u missed ENGLISH Prem: Thomas “Tank Engine” Waldron, Sam Simmonds EXETER Teimana Harrison, Juano Augustus NORTHAMPTON Nathan Hughes WASPS / BRISTOL Mark Wilson NEWCASTLE AUSTRALIA : David Pocock, Rob Valentini, Sean McMahon (2017 AUS won v ABs) IRELAND: Jamie Heaslip, CJ Stander
I'd put Reed straight in at 4 or 5 to make space for Macaw/PSDT, or have him off the bench. CAN YOU IMAGINE HAVING KIERAN REED COME OFF THE BENCH. he would be his own bomb squad... and likely covers 4 to 8.
Not having Doris on a list of players that he’s often completely out performed head to head like Aldriitt and Weisse is dirt, Doris has dominated Wiesse in every head to head they’ve ever had
@@craigpeel8872 that's a silly philosophy, by that logic Sergio Parisse wasn't an elite number 8 - which clearly he was. Not his fault Italy aren't a team capable of winning a world cup.
This was tricky. So many 'Great 8s' from the past 10-12 years, how would you order the list from A-D? And any we need to consider for the next episode?
@@DannyCareYT Danny i'd love to see an analysis of England's attack especially compared to the Lancaster era. Lanny had you running those diamond pods with forwards on the crash and options out the back, England were cutting teams up. Our midfield looks static with very few incisive running lines or options for the ten to pick. It looks really hard for the backs to conjure anything without the structure in place, Marcus is one man band. Would be great to see a video on how England could develop their attack and where it's going wrong! Much love!
@ Thanks for the comment. Let's have a think...agree on Marcus, we need to build the team around him to set him free. Then he can reciprocate! 👌
@@DannyCareYT if you're going to do another foreign imports, be sure to get Luke McAllister on there! Holy quadriceps, what a player.
Jaime Heaslip has two WPOTY nominations, surprised not to see him here.
As a one-eyed Saints fan, Louie Picamoles has the best Number 8 I've seen at the Gardens. We've had some good ones over the years, Rodber, Shelford, Lam, and Wilson, but King Louie was the best.
Hi Danny..just read your book..really enjoyed it…I am 70 and been an England fan all my life….you are one of the best English player I have seen throughout my lifetime….brilliant scrum half ..dynamic and different…god bless you and all your family❤
Zinzan Brooke followed by Kieran Read.
not in last 12 years but Zinzan Brook is the greatest no.8 ever to play the game - unmatched skill set. great carrier, great defender - immense will to win
He was awesome and would probably do well, but he played in the amateur era.
These 12 boys are the peak of the game
Yes 💯 behind the A Team 'dang the combinations 💪 🧨
I wish Pierre Spies had a longer career as well as Chabal, very underrated players.
Kieran Read, Zinzan Brooke, Louis Picamoles and Pierre Spies...
My list :
A - Read, Ardie, Duane
Then,
B - Picamoles, Billy, Sergio
C - Faletau, Aldritt, Jasper
D - Imanol, Mata, Isa
Not a chance Billy is better than Toby. No way.
@@JohnWilliams-fk3hbFaletau is not even better than Aldritt or Wiese.
@@jameswyatt4443 Stop talking waft. For a good few years. Only Kieran read was better than Toby. Injures plagued him since 2018 but from 2013 to 18 he was ridiculous. Never missed a game. Always 7.5. - 8 out of 10. Rugby didn't start last year mind 😂.
@ Hahaha. Only Read was better??? What are you smoking.
I think I agree with every choice in your list
ZINZAN
Picamoles deserved better and very harsh on Parisse but given the other 3 in A, hard to argue.
Billy V was arguably the best number 8 in the world for a year or two when England went on their 18 win streak but before and after that period he was mediocre.
Picamoles was a 1 trick pony, crash ball, he couldn't defend or ruck, and was never a line out option. If anything, it's imanol that's not getting the love he deserves. Done everything faletau could do and won 5 6nations titles with France 🤷♂️
Fair assessment
Billy V was good for about two years and then was absolutely useless from about 2019 onwards.
The banter is great, but please more C/U shots ofvhe names on the board!!
There’s a pause button in TH-cam Rob. But thanks for the feedback. 👌
@@DannyCareYT Specsavers sponsor in the future? 🤣
2 All Blacks at the top, order has been restored in the realms of Rugby
That A row. Imaging Vermulen at 8, Savea at 7 and Keiran Read at 6 in the same team 🫣
Didn’t think of that….the stuff of dreams!
@@DannyCareYT - Only bettered by Zinzan Brooke, Michael Jones at 6 and Richie McCaw at 7, with Read off the bench...
@@deaconsmith100And then bettered even more by Burger, PSDT and Duane. 🫡
That would be cheating 👍🏻👌💪
They are chosen No8s
Definitely the hardest one yet but it’s hard to argue against the end rankings
Faletau? Am I missing something? I’ve watched a lot of rugby, and I’ve never seen him as being anywhere near the Vermeulen, Read, Parisse level.
I’d even pick wiese over faletau
I'm an English fan but i think if it wasn't for him Wales wouldn't have been the side they were throughout the 2010s, possibly forgetting how good he was at one point like people do with Billy V
Yeah he's overrated. He's an excellent player but nowhere near Parisse, Read, Savea
It’s all subject to option, but at his peak Faletau was sensational. Tougher than he looks and more skillful than Wiese. Top 4…Read, Dallaglio, Savea, Falletau
Criminally underrated. As a South African I expect you probably didnt watch enough of him in his prime. Plagued by injuries, and playing for a nation that was never really going to compete for a WC. All opinions anyway.
Clearly something against the French 🤦♂️
@@florianvaly7967 agree, however 2 of those greats were before his era so he had no idea how good they were. As mentioned before Wiese had got a long way before being compared to them.
TIER 1
Zinzan
Vermeulen
Dallaglio
TIER 2
Parisse
Read
Billy V
TIER 3
Savea
Faletau
Harinordoquy
How could you leave out Sebastien Chabal?
There was always going to be an AB or 2 in the top tier if your doing the past 15 years 😂, both have won world rugby player of the year, Reid was very consistent at staying at the top for a long period of time, plus he had vast range of skillsets no other number 8 had, and Ardie pretty similar but hes still going, and now they have Wallace Sititi😂
Ofehengue, Dallaglio, Kefu, Zinny, Spies
Ben Morgan was great, and Tom Wood had some great showings at 8 too!
Horror list tbh. The Harinordoquy disrespect screams of never having even watched him properly tbh. Clearly above half the players here. The whole list is seriously questionable tbh. I don’t think it could’ve gone much worse.
A - Read, Parisse, Vermuelen,
Savea A-
B - Alldritt, Harinordoquy, Faletau,
Vunipola (more of a B-)
C - Picamoles, Wiese, Mata, Isa
Not sure how many international caps you have or how many professional games you’ve played Alex, but between those three they have a few and their opinions are informed and considered. You can only have 3 in each level too. Thanks for the input.
@@DannyCareYT just some feedback - I'm fairly confident you're an admin (as opposed to DC), but you're coming across as really catty here (also see your reply to the guy who asked about more closeup shots, being a smartarse about pausing the video??). Seeing snarky responses makes me much less inclined to watch the channel. Respond to the positive stuff, and if you're unable to reply more politely to the negative stuff, then maybe just say nothing. Cheers.
@@crazycjk Fair comment. Trying to be sarcastic/clever, but can see how it comes across. Thanks for the feedback. 🫡
@@DannyCareYT thank you for taking my feedback constructively as it was intended 👍 us brits do sarcasm better than anyone in the world, but it often doesn't come across well online when tone of voice is lost. Looking forward to the next videos
@@crazycjk And like most Brits...we think we're actually funnier than we are! Thanks for your support and caring enough to comment too.
Read and Vermeulen are the only solid instant As for me.
The rest all have patches of A grade performance but really depends what part of their career you look at. Hard list to rate.
Axxey, agreed - some of these 8s have been consistently brilliant. If we're grading on consistency, what about Parisse...brilliant every game, even when the going is very tough with eth squad. Great comment
I haven’t seen it yet if parrise ain’t number one I don’t want to know! Imagine if he played for a top national team 🤯🤯🤯
Sergio is on the bench for my all-time GOAT team. Bench because he covers all back row. Duane wears the 8.
@ very good player but only player il accept ahead of Sergio is Savea he can literally do everything and got the pace n strength to match💪🏽💯
Merv davies, great welsh 8
Willie O was the best...Zinzan the greatest
Scott Quinnell
No Doris?
Surely Pierre Spies deserved a mention...?
What a player Pierre was. 💥Diesel powered.
Sebastian Chabal?
That guy was an animal. 85% savage..15% intimidation from his look!
Where is Doris?
Funny😂
Training to get past quarter finals.
They just chose 12 8s to rank, it doesn’t mean they think all those players are better than Doris.
Probably in Portugal. I’ll tell you where he’s not though. On a World Cup winners list.
@@jakepatrick6946wow😂
I honestly don’t think many beat a peak form Falatau: he was insane. It would be great for Wales if he can find that again some day.
No mate, he was lucky to make the second row of choice players in my book (row B). Never really saw him stand up against the top 3 ranked teams!!
No Caelin Doris? Not bing funny but he has run riot against almost all of those players.
It’s not an all time 8 list, it’s 12 8s that they picked for him to rank. In any case Doris wouldn’t even be a major omission.
Not sure what vunipola is doing on that list, a lump of lard 😂
@ It’s not an all time list you fool.
@@jameswyatt4443 you can sing that 🤣
Vunipola has achieved heights Doris can only dream of atm, what a delusional comment
D Vermeulen is the boss
Not a single Irish number 8?? S O’Brien, Heaslip, CJ Stander, Conan, DORIS!! Stupid list.
Vermeulen
Faletau
Parisee
Read
Savea
These five head and shoulders above the rest
Doris and aldritt next level down with most potential to climb
Hahaha, Faletau belongs nowhere near those names.
Billy Vunipola?
@ Delete this comment please.
@ can’t handle the truth ? 😂
8s u missed
ENGLISH Prem:
Thomas “Tank Engine” Waldron, Sam Simmonds EXETER
Teimana Harrison, Juano Augustus NORTHAMPTON
Nathan Hughes WASPS / BRISTOL
Mark Wilson NEWCASTLE
AUSTRALIA : David Pocock, Rob Valentini, Sean McMahon (2017 AUS won v ABs)
IRELAND: Jamie Heaslip, CJ Stander
Some absolute crackers in there. Nathan Hughes was/is a wrecking ball of a man. So so strong...but very kind and calm at the same time! Thanks Toby.
To make the A Grade GOAT list you must have lifted the greatest trophy of them all. That’s just the way it is.
I'd put Reed straight in at 4 or 5 to make space for Macaw/PSDT, or have him off the bench. CAN YOU IMAGINE HAVING KIERAN REED COME OFF THE BENCH. he would be his own bomb squad... and likely covers 4 to 8.
At this point it's No8 combos
Not having Doris on a list of players that he’s often completely out performed head to head like Aldriitt and Weisse is dirt, Doris has dominated Wiesse in every head to head they’ve ever had
Do your list and stop complaining....
@@RogerBiwanduno it's a fair question Caelin Doris is just getting better and better and he is better than a lot of those players mentioned.
@@ciaranbrkHey genius, it’s not an all time best 8 list, they simply chose 12 8s and had him rank them.
To be the best you must win the biggest trophy of them all mate. Only RWC winners make the Elite list.
@@craigpeel8872 that's a silly philosophy, by that logic Sergio Parisse wasn't an elite number 8 - which clearly he was. Not his fault Italy aren't a team capable of winning a world cup.
Parisse _not_ in the A tier?!!! Ridiculous.
Who moves out of A for Parisse? That top row was my pick before any names were shown.
@daggaboom I'd make an exception and allow 4.
Vunipola bang average
Zinzan Brooke