Imagine Looking in the Trash for feats for Goku to even try to get him to Outer meanwhile you try to debunk DC even though you could Just Open the newest Comic book and have better scaling than comp DB .Street tiers from Marvel or DC Beat comp DB and now you fight for youre life to make youre Community belive Hes Not Just 4d 😂 and Here you are butthurt over a Death Battle vid so you try to debunk Comics where Most of the Word you use for powerscaling come from Like wheres the Logic Here Characters from Marvel and Dc litteraly state there omnipotent there beyoned Logic phisiks there beyoned dream and stuff they Go beyoned there own Comic the cosmology is so much bigger and better explained than DB ITS crazy you try to wank one realm to Outer with wrong Translation meanwhile the lowest realm in Marvel and dc start beyoned the concepts of space time and dimesionality in Baseline 😅
@@KrNB1799 dbz goes way beyond 4D bro. for the anime they get into the 7D range. the high teirs of comic books still solo as dc goes to something like 28D/hyperversal and marvel goes to high outerversal. even the mega OP versions of characters from sdbh dont get to 28D. still though dont disrespect dbz scaling.
@Iron_potato40k i dont know where you Guys get 28d from IT goes to 12d which is outerversal and after that is only Tier 0 boundless do you mean the layer or what ?
@KrNB1799 i dont use vsbw teiring nonsense scaling and neither should you. vsbw is known to be extremely inaccurate. but ive seen a scan from a dc comic where someone (i think darkseid?) said that the cosmology was 28D which is hyperversal. dimensionality goes up to infinity and beyond any concept of dimensions is outerversal scaling beyond outerversal scaling is boundless which is basically too strong to fit into any scaling system and only has stuff like omnipotents.
I like how he considered Zeno's feat a hax and should not scale his Ap just to include every feat of alien x as abilities and scale them to his ap AND speed. And also the fact that he inserted "I dont think so" every time he addressed feats of dragon ball.
Bro I've been trying, to look actually good powerscaling TH-camrs for awhile now. I'm ngl I thought Tyler was right since I didn't really understand powerscaling that much. But thanks for opening my eyes dawg, Imma watch more of your videos now thanks for spreading the gospel.
Make sure to take care of yourself drip, while we all may be across the world from one another. We all are still rooting for your health and happiness. Stay strong, much love❤.
Dude if its archie sonic the archie sonic beats the living life out of goku if its game sonic (thinking it be base) then yea but if its super sonic no matter games or archie sonic loses
Alien X after Goku Ki mogs him away: 💀 Nah, fr W people really still be putting Goku at 4D at 2024... 5D is not much better it's a complete downplay for the goat
bro db downplayers be accusing db fans for being most toxic fandom and say db fans will give death threads if you say your character solo dragon ball. they will legit lie just so they can downplay dragon ball and most of them know shit about scaling. Whenever I debate with db downplayers,they will start cursing cuz they don't want goku to scale that high😭🙏
Hey I'm no Db Downplayer, But Goku Loses this, Let's be completely honest here what the hell is Goku doing when ALien x Wipes him out of existence faster than he can even say "Kamehameha" Or "Solar Flare!" Every Other Category, Strength, Speed, Battle Intelligence, Skill, Does not matter when your opponent can wipe you out of existence, I'm a Dragon Ball Fan too! trust me But Y'all Goku glazers getting too outta hand, alien x has destroying...well more like recreating infinite in size universes too y'know.
@@thescratchanimator570 you are right, if Goku isn't even as storng or stronger than Whiss or Beerus, then he has no possibility against someone like Alien X, he is literally as powerful or stornger than Zeno-Sama
@@thescratchanimator570 goku have legit resisted existence erarure and can also erase alien x from existence,since goku scale way higher you need to provide evidence that alien x hax can work on goku level
In fact, Garlick Junior was already capable of creating a black hole capable of absorbing the entire universe. In some mentions it is said that it was a 5D dimension, so when they transcend this dimension, the afterlife would be 6D. Although the guy in the video also doesn't know that the Dragon Ball universe continues exactly in time. So at least the afterlife would be 5D.
@@Dark-editions It wasn't able to absorb the universe? Also It says hyperspace which has also as a definition black Hole, the afterlife isn't even 5d lol
**bro lemme end this whole debate with some facts and feats** bro isnt just universal level bro he remade the ben 10 prime universe with its infinite timelines and dimensions, it has quantum mechanics and string theory paradox himself confirms this, next the naljian mother asked ben whether he only perceived 3 dimensions ben said yea and asked how many are there in which she said only 26 that really matter and this doesnt mean that there are only 26 dimensions there are more and this proves that ben 10 has bosonic string theory atleast, in a canon comic ben and rook met beings from incalculable dimensions which means there are infinite dimensions in ben 10. quantum mechanics and infinite dimensions already prove that the multiverse is a type 3 multiverse and in one legit ben 10 graph made by the creators it shows that aleph null exists in each universe of them making each universe low 1a tier now lets scale the multiverse: ben 10 also has set theory and in afn paradox states that there is an end of a prime universe which follows its own laws of physics and then in one of the ben 10 games it proves the existence of mathematical universe as the omnitrix has its own universe or multiverse inside it and this satisfies the condition for type 4 multiverse and a type 4 multiverse scales from high outerversal to inaccessible layers into boundless. now Alien X scaling: he remade a universe which is type 1a and the prime universe at that and to lowballers like u this isnt universal infact when the universe got destroyed it was the prime timeline which destroyed it infinite alternate timelines and dimensions along with it like ledgerdomain and nullvoid which are infinite and exist in every universe throughout the infinite multiverse (also from the incalculable dimensions feat in ben 10 and gen rex crossover it was stated that there are infinite dimensions just wanted to state that) also to add alien x cut through an extra dimensional barrier and since universes in ben 10 are low 1a the barrier should be high 1b at best and also let me just say that the continuum are 5d in their omniscience not their AP just like goku looks 3d but he can be scaled to 6d. Celestialsapiens also changed the artstyle did part of the type 4 multiverse and changing the artstyle is the same as transcendence. This also goes with changing the artstyle, CGI, Animation and Voice Artists and they scale above the chronosapien time bomb which can destroy a type 4 multiverse and alien x effortlessly recreated the device when he remade the universe. Derrick J Wyat said that Alien X omnipotence can be cancelled which he then later specified that it was a joke and even though he was just an artist for ben 10 not an author so his statements are useless, CELESTIALSAPIENS ARE ABLE TO MANIPULATE MANY DIRECTLY, THEY CAN SURVIVE ANYWHERE IN THE ANUR SYSTEM AND THERE LIFE FORCE CANNOT BE ABSORBED BY VLADATS OR ECTURRITES, TOEPICKS FACE DOESN’T SCARE THEM AND UPCHUCK SPECIES CANNOT EAT THEM THESE WERE ALL TRASH STATEMENTS MADE BY DJW. Celestialsapiens also exist outside the entirety of the multiverse beyond time and space and all the infinite universes, alternate dimensions, spacetime that exist in the ben 10 multiverse as they exist beyond the multiverse which means they are beyond a type 4 multiverse and transcendent to it proof of alien x transcending the also every ben 10 from a universe timeline as they are the same alien x DNA sample and when a ben transforms into alien x anywhere in the multiverse they are the same alien x so if two bens transform into him at the same time they would basically be the same exact transformation but appearing at the same time with different bens and this time and space transcendence can classify for temporal and normal omnipresence and since alien x is omnipotent even if he isnt already omnipresent he can make himself omnipresent and if u want to use the lowball of why didn't atomix x survive the time bomb then heres my answer WHEN HE FUSED ALIEN X WITH ATOMIX THE DNA BECAME WEAKER AND THIS IS WHY HE DIDNT SURVIVE WHEN HE FUSED HE WAS STILL OMNIPOTENT JUST WAY WEAKER THAN THE GREATER OMNIPOTENCE HE WAS WHILE ALIEN X, IT IS BASICALLY LIKE ATOMIX MORTAL DNA CORRUPTED THE CELESTIALSAPIEN DNA like lets say u have infinity then u bring a finite number and take half of infinity and add it with a finite number the greater infinity that the lesser infinity would still be greater. CONCLUSION: ALIEN X SCALES FROM HIGH OUTERVERSAL TO INACCESSIBLE LAYERS INTO BOUNDLESS SO STOP THE LOWBALLING ALREADY IT IS GETTING ANNOYING WITH ALL THESE ALIEN X LOWBALLERS AND HATERS
Ok dimensiones in ben 10 are consistently talking about Parallel universe's so that's only 4D+ or multi+ quantum mechanics scale generally nowhere without proper context so 😂😂😂 congrats you scaled Alien X multi+ because you didn't give context of the 26 dimensions being higher in nature😂
I believe that what leads people to believe that Alien x stands a chance against goku is due to the “hax” of reality distortion, however considering there are many powerful beings that can distort reality on a outerversal level as like Janemba who distorted the entire otherworld and its laws depriving beings like Kaios and Emma from using their authorities. Has also beings with Reality-FictionTranscendence as we see Arale who can break the 4th wall inside other 4th walls puts her on a level far above Alien X and yet her reality distortion doesn't work on gods of destruction who not only ignore Arale's powers but can also erase akira's editor as we see with beerus with hakai erasing Dr. Mashirito who could basically manipulate the narrative and yet was erased. There are also lines from Beerus saying that Vegeta surpassed the powers of the gods of destruction, which would put him or Goku even above Arale.
@@SansINess53no, Goku end of Z in the official one-off manga post end is far greater than Arale, super Goku and Vegeta both also being relative to these levels of power.
I watched a shorts about Ben 10 vs Goku, and was so baias towards Ben that i just debunked with: raw stats and Ki being able to ignore/bypass haxes if you are stronger lmao.
So Erm...Is Goku Omnipotent? LIke what the hell is Ki going to do when Alien x wipes him away with a thought? And When was this shown!? Let me guess you're going to bring up the Hit Battle right? When Goku was forcing himself into the future? Y'know wiping someone out of existence if different that bypassing a timeskip right? Also Goku couldn't do it for long seeing as that damaged his body, And this is assuming Goku is stronger than Alien x, (By The Way He's not....Also it depends on the verse really) Like Alien x Scales Above Feedback with the Power of the Big bang which Contains the Entire Ben 10 cosmology, Aka INFINITY stated by Albedo, The Writers, And somewhere where it said it had innumerable Star Systems.... Meaning Alien x Already Has Infinite Power, Now I'm not trying to Downplay Goku here Since Goku does Have infinite Power...To Some Extent (He Scales Above Cell Who in one of those intro's was stated to have infinite power) I haven't even delved into the feats of alien x including Author Statements, but just know he can scale High outer-Infinite Layers into Boundless....
you are joking right? Goku capable to defeat a celestial sapient? please... if the saiyan cannot defeat Beerus or Whiss, he much less have any chance against Alien X, who is literally more powerfult like Zeno-sama; Goku may defeat multiple powerful foes, but he never posses any invulnerability to powerful techniques that can distort space, time, reality and both creation and destruction, not to mention Alien X could withsand the destruction fo the universe while Goku cannot no matter if he use the master ultra instinct
@@drip_sauce7967 none of the characters of Dragon ball are outerversal, they will never will be, they all are from planetary buster to universal and low multiversal, they will never be outerversal and thgat feat of the afterlife is silly, that place even if different from the universe it is nothing to be considered above the extraordinary if someone like Goku could simply teleport there at ease, is not different than the univverse and stating his achivements above Alien X is exponentially flawed and wrong, none of the achievemnts of Goku would ever put him above Alien X
@@davidsiraze8365 we can just debate bud stop running away 😭 my discord is free discord.gg/NcaFrHAn Idk why ur so scared, if ur so sure of yourself then own up innit 😭😭if not then don’t ever comment on my videos, just get out cus ur annoying and stupid 😭
I KNEW THE SECOND YOU ENDED STREAM YOU WERE GOING TO DEBUNK THIS FRUAD THANK YOU!!!🙏🙏🙏 Also I just set his channel to not recommend me his videos, I’m just going to stop interacting with these types of people from now on.
So uhm, Who's going to tell you that Alien x is omnipotent and Goku isn't? Yeah. Omnipotent = having unlimited power; able to do anything: Goku isn't Omnipotent, you see where I'm Going? Wiping GOku out of existence ya see?
@@4nth0ny1-80 Why would I be rage baiting? I'm literally just saying the facts lol. And No, no he isn't I'm actually with a pretty functioning family thank you very much,
@@thescratchanimator570 Ben 10 even in his all alien X form can’t kill Goku in anyway shape or form because he is still weak compared to base Goku, now that is stating facts lol. Alien X = high hyperversal - immeasurable speed Base Goku = outerversal - irrelevant speed
If Tylearned doesn't want to use the higher end scaling for Goku then he doesn't have to. It's merely an alternate way of scaling Goku. Besides it's not like there aren't ANY holes in the outerversal scaling for Goku. The afterlife has been shown to move in real time with the mortal realm before, Cell was able to be teleported there and blow up King Kai's planet because of this which is weird if the afterlife supposedly lacks the concepts of space and time. There's also the fact that in Super Goku Black was forcefully pulled back into his timeline by a rift in space-time and had no way of fighting against it, if Goku Black was outer this would be pretty weird as most outerversal characters aren't bounded by any form of time so how could Black be forced back into his own timeline by the laws of the universe if he's above the concept of time?
I mean he used higher end scaling for alien x. Also if you've noticed, a lot of comic fans r also using higher end scaling for some of their favs like thor, hulk or supes and getting em to outer through contradictory scans. So id say overall getting into higher end db arguments is also fair game
What gets me is the guide-less scale video drip did. So many franchises rely on guidebooks for their scaling and the scalers of said franchises are hypocrites and don’t let DB fans use the guidebooks. So drip scales Goku without it and they STILL dont accept it. WHAT DO YOU WANT???
I hope you will recover from your sickness,malaria is a really bad sickness,but you cant be serious right now bro.... Like you are sick and tired,and rather taking your time to recover,you are reacting to a video that says Goku looses,at this point you love Goku more than yourself,and more than our Lord! Look I love Saitama for example,but he is not a priority in my life,even if he is a great character,he is a nonexistent fictional character. Same with Goku. Seriously why do you love Goku that much? Why he is above enerything in your life? Why Goku is your personality and everything? You could have done that video after your recovery seriously bro. Let Goku rest a lil bit and focus on recovery
Faxes🔥🔥🔥👌 he got multiple things wrong. Saying Zeno has hax??? That "hax" is his power LMFAO. Lord Zeno made an Outerversal feat💀💀👌 also hope you recover soon🙏
@@System357 erasing concepts during the future trunks arc, and it includes infinite sized galaxies, and the universe which is infinite stated by jace
@@cloverkingdom6341that only makes it universal in scale,in fact it’s far inferior to Alien x because he recreated the Ben prime timeline which branches off infinitely
This person think realms in Dragon ball are only 4D because there only 3 spatial dimensions of space where characters can move and can time travel in the 4th temporal dimension of time and the Otherworld would just be it own version of of a non physical realm separate from the reality form the physical realm that has it own 4 dimensions of spacetime in a metaphysical level. Even though it has no form of space and time and also transcends dimensionality at the same time because it is said to be a heavenly afterlife that transcends dimensions that the human world can’t see would just be beyond the limitations of thing that are physical and not geocentric spatial dimensions something that is Outerversal is where characters can travel to any axis
W-What are you *YAPPING* About!? Okay, Just let me copy and paste a comment rq "He tanked the destruction of the universe and then remade it. The universe in ben 10 is made up of infinite dimensions and timelines and as established by paradox in one of the confirmed canon comics, time itself. And not only did he no cell the destruction of all of these, he remade them right after. He is easily outerversal" Alien x Is not Just 4d, He's beyond 26d Seeing as he must of have to recreate the 26+ Dimensions Stated by Cosmic Mom.} And...Let's say Goku is *PHYSICALLY* stronger right? The hell is Goku doing when Alien x Goes like Motion Carried And Mogs Goku Away 😭🙏
@@thescratchanimator570 is that so? ı am yapping? Okay buddy If thats all you're capable of... Here is the debunk of Ben 10: Because the 26D sht comes from bosnic string theory (Ben 10 has string theory) the problem is that's not the same dimensions as spatial ones. They're just about additional extensions of the regular spatial dimensions that we detect to have it tracable through mathematics because we can't physically percieve them as in Ben's case he can't percieve more than three. Like Bulks are spatial they’re called large extra dimensions from where the idea of like “infinitesimal” to a higher dimension came from and this is where the problem begins since Viewing something as infinitesimal isn't really higher dimensionality, and not to mention the extra dimensions are literally mathematically tractable so it only makes sense if that case interprets "infinitesimal" to a largely finite extent, and even if it was infinite that's not enough to make it genuinely higher dimensional because that means it's infinite to the lower dimension instead of being transcendent enough to percieve what's lower to the infinite as higher like infinite 3D and more into so would be 4D 5D 6D and higher in this Also the water blocker analogy of the same theory further proves my point.. Instead of the standard requirements of humans unable to grapple with the existence of more than 3 axis's of movements like in regular spatial dimensions.. we fall unable to perceive the 4D 5D 6D in string theory due to mass acting as the external force to the "inertial" flow of our movement capabilities... it's like this, the lesser the mass the more dimensions you are able to move through, like for example if you have negative mass you can go faster than light hypothetically (0-mass photons are SoL) and this ties in with relativity theory which proposes FTL leading to time travel which lets you flip over time like a book which is the 4th dimension.. and so on.. literally become ftl alone is 4D in bosonic string theory, unlike actual scaling. So nope, those "26 dimensions" are NOT tiering's spatial dimensions conclusion:alien x is galaxy level base goku victim
@@thescratchanimator570 ı dont want ruin you but ı will debunk more some parts Alien x never created universe he is just created a few galaxy ı already debunked dimensions twitter statements scales nowhere and alien x author never said this and if he really said this this is still scales nowhere
@@Alastor-t7i Crazy Lowball, Also...We talking about Base Ben or- Like? We're talking about a celestialsapien Right? Like a hypothetical Peak CelestialSapien? they can definitely perceive more than 3 dimensions lol But feel free to try and debunk what I'm about to write, this is a copy and paste rq
@@Alastor-t7i Alien x recreated his Universe y'know, even then what the heck is that going to do when Alien x Wipes Goku from existence with just a thought!? like ignoring Morality here Alien x could literally just do that, is Goku resistant to getting wiped from existence in just the blink of an eye? I mean really! And The Ben 10 Universe is infinite, do your research it was stated by Duncan Rouleau, and it was stated to have infinite Star Systems, And Alien x Has Universal Erasure Durability (Shown When he EASILY TANKED THE Annihilarrgenesistoriathimiorgost wiping out the universe,) And to Scale Ben even higher if you want to Ignore Author Statements, Malturant Literally stated the Ben 10 universe contained infinite time so, and Alien x recreated Said universe so... :/ Now If you're going to still try to glaze Goku... Paradox literally says Quantum Mechanics and String Theory proving the Ben 10 cosmology has those things, Paradox also stated how the next universe over to the prime one had different physics showing how each universe in the Ben 10 cosmology follows diferent physics so...take that as you will So How Dificult would it Be for Goku to beat Alien x? Wel...Alien x absolutely Speedblitzes Goku, (With His Thoughts), Hand to Hand which would be just nerfing Alien x's Abilltiies which includes reality warping, You could still scale Him Outerversal-Infinite Layers into Boundless, seeing as Feedback absorbed the power of the big bang which created the Ben 10 cosmology, and Alien x would obviously scale far above that if you read what I said Previously So Scaling alien x just by his durability already gives him Outerversal-Boundless Power, And I almost Forgot speed! Now Let me Put it in Simple Terms, Enemies in Dragon ball are Capable of Being faster Than instant Transmission, Seeing as I'm right now being Cannon Granolah is capable of being faster than instant transmission so... 🤷🏾♂, Anyways let's get to Alien x's speed! He's obviously Massively Faster than Accelerate who's Capable Of Stopping Time So Erm...Yeah, And Considering Waybig was Able to React to the Conquest ray which is obviously massively faster than light seeing as the beam travelled from earth to Pluto in a matter of seconds Alien x is definitely capable of reacting to massively faster than light attacks seeing as Alien x >>>>>>> Waybig by a wide margain, And Jetray was Capable of Entering HyperSpace with enough build up meaning Jetray would have to be capable of wistanding and travelling at Light speeds so Alien x Is Definetely mftl, He might even have infinite speed! who knows he's omnipotent lol, And I haven't even mention Aleph Null Which was shown in one of the Ben 10 backgrounds already making Alien x High Outerversal- Infinite Layers into Boundless, Comics Also Support This, Listen I love Goku too but the whole point of his character is he may or may not win every Battle he wins, at that matters to him is if he's protecting the ones he cares about, and if he's learning more on how to be a better fighter, Goku is strong...But Alien x Is in a whole different Realm.
When asked and I hope you answer, it's not a debunking or anything, but a normal comment First: Why do most Dragon Ball fans only use the anime? I know it's canon, but the manga deals with events in the anime Such as: Goku in the anime shook the world of emptiness, but in the manga, not only did he not shake, but he never transformed in that way It was mentioned in the manga that the ideal Cell said that he had enough power to destroy a solar system Majin Buu was pointed out that he did not destroy many planets, Moro's explosion with the power of the assistant destroyed the galaxy, this did not even exceed the universe The other world is said to be the Outer Verse due to the lack of space-time and physical concepts and is not material, but there is a mistake, such as gravity is present and the concept of weight is present and penetrating the concepts of space-time raises 5D, because even the empty void exceeded them and said that there is a place outside the causal and there is no evidence in the manga that the main Dragon Ball characters reach a universe, all of them are from the studio and some of them were deleted in the versions without fillers, in proportions to shock Goku and Beerus, it's different here, the clash with a god of destruction, why didn't it happen against Gas or Moro? I also hope you are well and that you are being treated for malaria.🤲🤲🤲
@@Igga577 wrong, none of those chaarcters are outerversal, they are merely from planet buster to low multiversal, you are just putting them above by your own facts who are wrong to put them in a scale above multiversal
1:35 how does someone get stronger if they are at outerversal. Is there a super ultimate divine God outerversal tier that we just didn't know as dbz characters are getting obliterated by base caba?
@Monkes23 ok, I will give you that but your supposedly outerversal with multiple layer characters still died to the destruction of a planet in the second dragon ball super movie🤣
@@ashimbeast4732 Superman got shot by a bullet, Sonic gets thrashed around by robotic animals, you can’t take one instance and discard everything else, that is the most ignorant and biased a person can be 😭.
@@Monkes23 okey, but you are doing it more then me as you are telling me that dbz characters are boundless but are getting stronger when boundless is supposed to be the peak of how strong someone can be in fiction and also moments like vegita dying and other details that they might not be outerversal.
@ashimbeast4732 that would be a non sequitur argument lol. Also we aren't saying Dragon Ball characters are Boundless lmao. There's different layers into Outerversal and High Outerversal.
Nah bro all respect to you, hope you get better, and I agree with you that some things he said were wrong, but Alien X Beats Goku. Possibly the whole verse except Zeno and grand priest. He just has too many Hacks and Stats. You never even reacted to the full video, but I get why you're sick and I don't blame you for that. And you were tweaking when you said Yamcha can beat Alien X.
@@drip_sauce7967 pfff now you are sounding ridiculous, Alien X is way mor epowerfylt ahn the dragon ball verse, we know for sure that the power scaling of Goku only reach to low Multiversal, for the fights and adversaries he fought in his whole life, besides Alien X has abilities and techniques that can allow him to defeat him by mere thinking, I know your video was meant to remove the stats Trylearned did, but you are exaggeratting his abilities wrongly, Goku is not outerversal, he will never be, he is low multiversal and thats the absolute maximum feat he will ever reach
@@drip_sauce7967 yeah like what you say could be accurate, Goku is not outerversal nor he is storng to defeat Alien X, learn this, the abilities and powers Alien X posses, can easily eliminate Goku no matter hwat powers he has
If we’re just taking the fight at face value,goku vs ben,in a plain area outside the universe,ben could literally just think of turning into alien x and than as kevin said himself "they could blink were gone"I do believe I forgot the line but,it implies alien x could just erase him out of existence,and even without it alien x has the power to make people that are 3D change the artstyle and use him as a reason to change everything
We’re talking about Alien X, an alien that can do anything Zeno does better as he is stated to be able to blink and erase everything. The same alien that outclasses Feedback who can hold en explosion the size of the Big Bang that was going to destroy the Ben 10 universe which has at least 26 different dimensions that are all infinite in size with an infinite amount of time lines. And Alien X is literally Omnipotent as said in the show, plus he’s a reality warper
He's also the strongest sapien celestial and they can literally change the whole Ben 10 universe they can change the artsyle the characters and anything basically
you are correct I am shocked hwo the community of dragon ball still thinks Goku stronger than low multiversal, while he never proved to have any feat to put him in a level like Zebo-sama, we are talkign about a specie who can destroy the multiverse by mere thought and recreat the universes, soemthing Goku couldn't and will never will be capable to do
12:44 a type 4 multiverse can't be boundless because a multiverse is still bound by cosmology something boundless are characters that exist in a state of being beyond existence
Bro first i wish you a swift an painless recovery amen 🙏 Second the amount of bias here is staggering how tf he scaled alien X 4D+ ans he touching goku who he scaled 5D LMFAO keep Cook 🍲👨🍳
I wanna tell you all, that he only considered manga goku aka toriyama's goku not toei's not the anime's. Just toriyama's goku. Movie goku is busted yes but legit game sonic would surpass him as he gets stronger by the millisecond. That's how scaling works. GT goku will beat alien x. But Z and super goku can't because they didn't show good feats. GT goku moved in sogoroku space which is a place with no time and space resulting in GT Goku being boundless in speed. And alien x definitely didn't show that but I think he can actually perform it. And remember. Alien x can clone himself. With no drawback. Meaning he can clone himself 1 billion times to destroy every goku if he desires to. Overall to me. Ben 10 beats goku (high diff) Mainly due to alien x. Oh and forgot to mention, alien x legit messes with time like nothing and distorts it and goku in the start of super and end of it. Hasn't been able to show us he can distort with time without clashing around with his opponents. So overall hax and strength advantage goes to alien x, Speed might aswell go to both fighters as they are kinda tied in that, Alien x legit will be able to beat goku His cloning ability and immediate eraser ability and reality destroying abilities legit makes alien x win. No matter how strong his opponent is. Overall high diff or extreme diff. Ben 10 wins. Just watch the show and find the lore instead of going "goku stronger than everyone" Because this statement hasn't been correct once like how beerus having weirdass scaling going from weaker than blue to stronger than gogeta blue. Overall that's it. Come argue. Instant transmission doesn't give a speed boost. Also, ... The guy who did goku vs Ben 10 was kinda drunk from what I know. He knows how to do cartoon scaling but not anime scalings.
Man didn’t mention Deadzone, Dimension where Broly and Gogeta fought, neutral zone,Subspaces,Instant transmission Zone,and many Super dimensional statements and etc. cmon now look how he explained Goku compared to Alien X feats and statements smh.
Wait just for confirmation ( correct me if im wrong) yhe 4th dimension is time. 3 spacial and one temporal. But being 5d means your above time thus as a baseline granting your immeasurable speed.
No bc if there are more spacial dimensions than 3 it would also be 5d still having time, example the demon realm in db has the normal 3 spacial dimensions + 1 other special dimension called magic (it was stated by one of the db anime writers (i forgot his name and im not home right now thats why i cant give you his name as proof) that the demon realm is the 4 dimension) + 1 temporal dimension (time) which makes the 7 universe 5d just from that and it has still time. I hope this helps.
@@Nr.12vs.Fiction oh that a cool fact that the demon realm has another spacial dimension. But it still has time as well. But I'm still confused why being 5D automatically makes your immeasurable speed. Could you explain if you can. Don't worry ik stuff about power scaling don't need to dumb it down
@@Price_keir OK we take now a normal universe a 4d construct made out of 3 spacial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension (which is the fourth dimension which is linear time) lets look at the requirement for this speed tier lets take the VSWIKI definition to make it easy: Movement unbound from the flow of linear time (if you are a 5d being you surpass a 4d construct which means you surpass the fourth dimension that is linear time itself in normal cases more info later on) , which cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined, the speed formula cannot be applied. (this kind of math is completely irrelevant right now so just ignore it) This is the same reason why multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed. (if you are a 5d being you would normally come from a 5d realm and this realm needs to have 5 dimensions which would be in most cases be a combination of 3 spacial and 2 temporal dimensions, something like that would fulfill the requirement. Of course there are special cases like the demon realm where it doesn't has a second temporal dimension instead it has a special dimension called magic which should fall under spacial dimensions but the demon realm is a cluster-fuck tbh maybe we get more info's after db Daima has finished) I hope this helps you a bit😅
Saying that goku overpowering hit timeskip doesn't scale to immeasurable speed is just too stupid , yknow just cuz its a strong argument for goku they will disprove it by the most cappest arguments ever , bruh after few episodes when goku visited king kai's planet king kai said to goku ''you were forced your way into the future'' , or ''goku overpowering hit cuz he's only stronger'' this is what would happen cuz goku having way greater raw power would negate allien x haxes and erasure abilities. Daizenshuu explaning that otherworld transcends dimentionality would scale otherworld to outerversal by deffinition , which is the fact that most biased goons trying to disprove by ass arguments , and goku in base form stopped beerus's final attack that will destroy the entire universe 7 including otherworld , his base form got mastered thousands of times throught arcs after BoG and got multipl godly forms with infinite multiplyers (as daizenshuu stated that ssj3 increases the power of the user infinetly). Overral : base goku solos the verssince allien x max is at hyperversal levels. W debunk drip goat !
Okay Did you Watch Ben 10? I mean...You probably didn't y'all Db fans don't even watch or read your own series! (Except Carthu He goated) I'm not going to explain this again, but Goku's ki isn't doing sh() When Alien x wipes him away with a *THOUGHT* That's right, No beams, no universe shifting, just wipes him away with a thought, Like *POP GOES THE WEASEL* Goku's cooked,
@@thescratchanimator570 I know, hearing this guyds stating and saying that Goku can win or defeat any powerful foe from the level of Alien X or compared is absolutely concering, geezes, soemtimes I doubt the fandom knows what they are saying
@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch brother Goku wasn't able to destroy a universe by himself I don't know which dragon ball your watching that makes u think Goku is 5d his 4d at best and he has no solo universal feat AlienX is a reality warping god and that even a low-ball he can do anything Goku can't even beat beerus
@@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch since when Goku could do that? none of his feats would allow him to destroy soemthign above the universe, I mean, the other universes were not at risk and even if he is a powerful warrior, he is low multiversal and thats it, a being like Alien X can easily defeat him by using his powers on him, no matter what you say
Guys don't be deceived. ChatGPT states Goku is 4d and AlienX is beyond 6d with powers equal and better than Zeno himself. If you don't believe me then check.
In Dragon Ball, Ki is a powerful force that can bypass some abilities, but it operates within the context of that universe’s rules. Claiming Goku as "Outerversal" due to his Ki usage is an exaggeration, as Outerversal beings exist beyond any dimensional or conceptual boundaries-transcending all forms of space, time, and existence as we know it. Goku’s feats, while impressive, have never reached that level. He has shown strength up to multiversal scale at best, but not on a level where he transcends all of reality itself. Alien X, from *Ben 10*, operates on a different kind of power. His reality-warping abilities allow him to manipulate time, space, and existence, giving him a Hyperversal classification. This isn’t about physical strength or speed; it’s about fundamental control over reality. Unlike Goku, who relies on physical attacks, Alien X can alter the very fabric of existence, nullifying physical limitations. This kind of power often supersedes brute strength and durability feats, as it changes the rules of the universe itself. Outerversal and Hyperversal classifications aren’t just about raw power-they’re about existence beyond dimensional structures. Goku’s abilities are powerful, but they’re still bound by the laws of his universe. For a deeper understanding, it’s essential to look into dimensional tiering systems and resources like the VS Battles Wiki, which explain these concepts and why Goku doesn’t scale to Outerversal levels.
I have never seen downplay so bad that is cringe Like in all seriousness dude do u really think i should believe u someone who thinks db cosmology is bigger than whole of dc Come on and AlienX is just going to blink Goku out of existence or drain his power or kill him in his childhood or age him or just increase his size and crush him i mean come on your videos have one particularly formula Hype up db and down play others
*YOU* can't even debunk it yet your yapping about disagreeing and saying bs without any proof, like bro if you disagree go debate with him, and don't talk bs about you saying I can't debate with you, your disagreeing with *Drip_Sauce* arguments and *FAX* *YOU* can't disagree because you can't debunk it, you can't scale anything Alien X or Goku did, nor do you know scaling overall. So if *YOU* disagree with Drip, *YOU* should debate with him and prove him wrong instead of just yapping like a bum.
@TheManTheGuy-jb4mm come on dude AlienX is a reality warping being with more feats than Goku Heck if u can answer this 3 question I'll consider 1 has Goku ever breathe in space 2 does he have any single universal feat 3 can he resist existence erasure Short answer no
@drip_sauce7967 come on dude it's sad I understand people like solo leveling or Naruto But saying AlienX losing to someone without a single solo universal feat to his name is dumb as hell
@@davidsiraze8365alien x cap at complex multi and Goku is outer he can destroy after life which is a higher plane of existence and which Transcend other dimensions and have no concept of time and space and beyond dimensionality and connected to the microcosm in most highest metaphysical level so afterlife easily scale to outer with no problem
@@drip_sauce7967 the base transformations are modified to have peak potential,if cabba who lived in universe 6 who lived relatively peaceful life can match base post bog vegeta imagine how strong ben would be According to Dwayne mcduffe the process of ultimate form is achieved by placing a selected DNA in a war zone over a million years, worse case scenario so imagine like a peak saiyan undergoing a million years of constant zenkai boost to the point the DNA have to evolve to withstand it
@Light-qs1qk universe 6 saiyans lived a peaceful life compared to their violent universe 7, ki control is natural to saiyans Goku mimicked kamehameha with practically no training and vegeta was able to sense power level without the scouter Omnitrix also have data dump a feature let's transformation's basic instinct downloaded to his brain so he can use the transformation's full potential from start and since even baby pan could fly to the upper atmosphere it's all natural instinct to saiyans, he might not be able to perform kamehameha or instant transmission but he could have his basic instinct like ki control and shooting ki blasts and can fly
1:Frieza Is not Universal in the namek saga, It Just means he can destroy the universe over time, 2:The Kaioshin realm Is though considered a part of the afterlife, no outerversal feat, to destroy the kaioshin realm Is IG low multi due to it being 1/10 of a universe+a big asf afterlife, being higher Simply means to be placed above the universe as stated in the anime and the far seeing arts which Kami have as well and can see the reall below, Korin being stated to see the lower realm aka the earth, it doesn't mean there is a transcendence, just placed above
@Chillythesilly Ain't you the same person who commented on my Outerversal scaling for Goku and the Afterlife and said "Dragon Ball fans continue to embarrass themselves"?????💀
@@drip_sauce7967 what if you stop yapping and you shut up and admit the mistake you are saying, Goku Outerversal? eveyrhting you say of his feats is wrong and a lie, Goku is not outerversal, he is low multiversla and eveyr of his feats are considered to that rank from planet buster to high univerl and even low multiversal is an absolute fact
@drip_sauce7967 paradox exists outside of time this moving in a non linear in timeline th-cam.com/video/OHtQbAm4Jos/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared And alien x is faster than him
@@Light-qs1qk alien x is considered omnipresent, both young ben and old ben uses the same alien x, like a Schrodinger situation and alien x is faster than paradox, celestial sapiens are above paradox and he respects his rules and alien x can erase paradox away in a blink of an eye
@shadowninja8960 first were dose it stated that he is omnipresent and if paradox respect them that doesn't apply for nothing that they are faster than him and his ability you are saying is hax and also it's seen that atomic x who have half the power alien x get erase by time boob and its stated by azimuth clock work can kill them so alien x is bounded by time and also stated to that fairy alien can put them to sleep
Dripsauce is trying to cook, but burns his fingers. You say tylearned is down playing, while you highballing Goku with fake statements, claims out of context, and and cherry picking lol, Goku is barely universal 😂
Damn... Not alien x casual destroying and rewriting all of DBZ but seriously i don't really trust what you say since you seem to be a dragon ball glazer so yeah people who actually think goku beats alien x just know if you think goku beats alien x you think that he beats Zeno
"your a dragon ball glazer" mfs call ANY good scaling for goku "glazing", drip's scaling of goku is his actual feats but you ignore it because ofcourse bias
@yardite7777 you can literally just go through his entire channel and can see he glaze's DBZ like fucking crazy I'm going to say DBZ is weak cause it's not and Goku isn't weak either it's just that people overate the fuck out of it like seriously sailor moon would be able to beat Goku but people like drip will literally say otherwise and people will call it "peak scaling" because he says your favorite character wins like seriously you can tell that dragon ball is his favorite anime and also when he said "normies" I cringed and immediately stopped taking him seriously but that's probably just me edit: also I can see that you have a Goku pfp so thank you for proving my point your a Goku fan that can't handle the fact that Goku isn't the strongest character in fiction and loses to other characters outside of his show
So Erm. Who's going to tell him that Alien x could simply wipe Goku out of existence with a thought? tf is Goku to do then? Say "nuh uh" and Go super saiyan 429?
@@drip_sauce7967 Seriously though Goku has no getting popped out of existence feats, Goku ain't omnipotent, and Alien x has been stated to be omnipotent, and like Kevin has said they could blink and they all would be gone...So... And Considering The Ben 10 Cosmology Has Quantam Mechanics, String Theory, And Aleph Null it should be infinite in size? Heck it was STATED to be infinite in size with Infinite Solar Systems!, So erm...If we're going to Nerf Alien x's abillities in this Debatem we'll have to nerf Goku's aswell no?
I feel like people forget the fact that alien x could literally just erase goku from existence like Zeno... Goku is strong but he's not beating a being that can erase the universe recreate it could basically just copy all of Goku's abilities and feats with ease and there's also the fact that celestial sapiens can only be hurt by other celestial sapiens also even if ben didn't have alien x Goku is still a alien people act like he's not but he is all ben would have to do is scan goku with the Omnitrix and he can turn into a Saiyan and the Omnitrix turns you into the peak version of said alien i may not be a giant powerscaler but this is completely obviously one sided with or without alien x keep coping lil bro
@@Light-qs1qk the Omnitrix could scan alien x who is a celestial sapien a race of god like aliens who are above the third dimension Goku believe it or is third dimensional when it comes to his plane of existence and celestial sapiens are more powerful than Saiyans so yes he could literally quite easily copy Goku's DNA and become a Saiyan more than Goku and again he still has alien x who would wipe the floor with him anyways
@@sonicwithglasses131They are thanks to Dragon Ball Kakarott with is cannon, since Akira Toriyama itself said is a expansion of the original story, with new ones never seen before; making Dragon Ball Xenoverse Cannon, therefore making all movies cannon as well
@@drip_sauce7967 Thats just you cuz unlike DB powerscalers, we dont look at Pieces of Irrelevant Guidebooks to Boost DB verse, we just enjoy the show 😹😹😹
@ irrelevant guidebooks? The author and the staff members made guides to explain things that weren’t explained in details in the manga and anime, licensed it as canon , and even sell it as part of their merchandise , even the author said if he had the guide while writing the series he would’ve written db a lot better, thats why its called a guidebook , and yet its somehow irrelevant? Go ahead and explain how a literal encyclopedia made for the series by the series staff and author is irrelevant 😂😂😂
The db fandom will never accept the truth that Goku gets atomized by million characters, you people are just living their own world. and that guy was completely correct Alien x destroys the verse no diff. Cry about it
"living in their own world" you say while yapping about how hes wrong with no proof despite dripsauce literally giving proof/feats to back his statements🤦
@yardite7777 drip sauce is just another Goku glazer he is not different than any other db fan, Alien x can just rewrite Goku's history like he wasn't even a saiyan
I do hate goku downplay but I am 100% shore he loses to alien x. Dont get me rwong the power that goku posseses is great but unlles in the real mach up he dosent get a new form he is going to get beat.
Goku loses to Alien X end of story. If Goku can age, Alien X wins. If Goku can age, "Clockwork" wins. None of you know what a "Dimension", "Universe", or any of these terms mean. You damn sure have no idea how they work.
@ You don’t understand, Alien X is not hax. I don’t care if you say “hax” or “dimension”. The moment you used real world science or scientific terms Goku lost. - If Goku ages, he loses. Aging is not a hack, it is simply thought to be a hack - There is a reason why I brought up Clockwork as well.
Goku cannot defeat any reality warping being no matter what people say, besides his powers are based in combat and blast attacks fithing, does abilities are no match to a powerful being to Alien X
Looks like ty didn’t learn anything ✌️
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debunk toaster xD sonic vs goku video.
Imagine Looking in the Trash for feats for Goku to even try to get him to Outer meanwhile you try to debunk DC even though you could Just Open the newest Comic book and have better scaling than comp DB .Street tiers from Marvel or DC Beat comp DB and now you fight for youre life to make youre Community belive Hes Not Just 4d 😂 and Here you are butthurt over a Death Battle vid so you try to debunk Comics where Most of the Word you use for powerscaling come from Like wheres the Logic Here Characters from Marvel and Dc litteraly state there omnipotent there beyoned Logic phisiks there beyoned dream and stuff they Go beyoned there own Comic the cosmology is so much bigger and better explained than DB ITS crazy you try to wank one realm to Outer with wrong Translation meanwhile the lowest realm in Marvel and dc start beyoned the concepts of space time and dimesionality in Baseline 😅
@@KrNB1799 dbz goes way beyond 4D bro. for the anime they get into the 7D range. the high teirs of comic books still solo as dc goes to something like 28D/hyperversal and marvel goes to high outerversal. even the mega OP versions of characters from sdbh dont get to 28D. still though dont disrespect dbz scaling.
@Iron_potato40k i dont know where you Guys get 28d from IT goes to 12d which is outerversal and after that is only Tier 0 boundless do you mean the layer or what ?
@KrNB1799 i dont use vsbw teiring nonsense scaling and neither should you. vsbw is known to be extremely inaccurate. but ive seen a scan from a dc comic where someone (i think darkseid?) said that the cosmology was 28D which is hyperversal. dimensionality goes up to infinity and beyond any concept of dimensions is outerversal scaling beyond outerversal scaling is boundless which is basically too strong to fit into any scaling system and only has stuff like omnipotents.
I like how he considered Zeno's feat a hax and should not scale his Ap just to include every feat of alien x as abilities and scale them to his ap AND speed. And also the fact that he inserted "I dont think so" every time he addressed feats of dragon ball.
Ain't no way no one countering this comment because its true tylearned is a hypocrite 😂😂
Bro I've been trying, to look actually good powerscaling TH-camrs for awhile now. I'm ngl I thought Tyler was right since I didn't really understand powerscaling that much. But thanks for opening my eyes dawg, Imma watch more of your videos now thanks for spreading the gospel.
Ur welcome Brodie
Make sure to take care of yourself drip, while we all may be across the world from one another. We all are still rooting for your health and happiness. Stay strong, much love❤.
Debunk Toaster XD Sonic vs Goku
Dude if its archie sonic the archie sonic beats the living life out of goku if its game sonic (thinking it be base) then yea but if its super sonic no matter games or archie sonic loses
@@Suitedbeeyip yap
@@deaddead2783 its not yap its the facts
@@Suitedbee proof?
Debunk Toasters Vegeta vs Thor
Thor solos
Alien X after Goku Ki mogs him away: 💀
Nah, fr W people really still be putting Goku at 4D at 2024... 5D is not much better it's a complete downplay for the goat
@vegetascales1643 at least it's not low multi :v but yeah
Destroying a few universes isn't even full scale multiversal idk why you guys think Goku or anyone in DB is 5d or higher.
@@De_lua-b6v cause they are
@@jayson.win231 They are not, MAYBE 5d multiversal considering multipliers but anything higher is just over wanking Dragonball.
@De_lua-b6v but there not y you low-balling so much
bro db downplayers be accusing db fans for being most toxic fandom and say db fans will give death threads if you say your character solo dragon ball. they will legit lie just so they can downplay dragon ball and most of them know shit about scaling. Whenever I debate with db downplayers,they will start cursing cuz they don't want goku to scale that high😭🙏
Thing is whenever they start to see no logical rebuttal against the argument, they start to curse instead lol
Hey I'm no Db Downplayer, But Goku Loses this,
Let's be completely honest here what the hell is Goku doing when ALien x Wipes him out of existence faster than he can even say "Kamehameha" Or "Solar Flare!"
Every Other Category, Strength, Speed, Battle Intelligence, Skill, Does not matter when your opponent can wipe you out of existence,
I'm a Dragon Ball Fan too! trust me But Y'all Goku glazers getting too outta hand, alien x has destroying...well more like recreating infinite in size universes too y'know.
@@thescratchanimator570 you are right, if Goku isn't even as storng or stronger than Whiss or Beerus, then he has no possibility against someone like Alien X, he is literally as powerful or stornger than Zeno-Sama
Manga Goku scales to
Low complex multi and i thinks thats an agreed on fact lol
@@thescratchanimator570 goku have legit resisted existence erarure and can also erase alien x from existence,since goku scale way higher you need to provide evidence that alien x hax can work on goku level
In fact, Garlick Junior was already capable of creating a black hole capable of absorbing the entire universe.
In some mentions it is said that it was a 5D dimension, so when they transcend this dimension, the afterlife would be 6D.
Although the guy in the video also doesn't know that the Dragon Ball universe continues exactly in time.
So at least the afterlife would be 5D.
@@Dark-editions It wasn't able to absorb the universe? Also It says hyperspace which has also as a definition black Hole, the afterlife isn't even 5d lol
@@simeon8814yeah it higher
@@Price_keir no? It Is far lower lol
@@simeon8814it literally was mate
@@ChezThefootballer Just saying:yes
Isn't a counter argument
**bro lemme end this whole debate with some facts and feats**
bro isnt just universal level bro he remade the ben 10 prime universe with its infinite timelines and dimensions, it has quantum mechanics and string theory paradox himself confirms this, next the naljian mother asked ben whether he only perceived 3 dimensions ben said yea and asked how many are there in which she said only 26 that really matter and this doesnt mean that there are only 26 dimensions there are more and this proves that ben 10 has bosonic string theory atleast, in a canon comic ben and rook met beings from incalculable dimensions which means there are infinite dimensions in ben 10. quantum mechanics and infinite dimensions already prove that the multiverse is a type 3 multiverse and in one legit ben 10 graph made by the creators it shows that aleph null exists in each universe of them making each universe low 1a tier
now lets scale the multiverse: ben 10 also has set theory and in afn paradox states that there is an end of a prime universe which follows its own laws of physics and then in one of the ben 10 games it proves the existence of mathematical universe as the omnitrix has its own universe or multiverse inside it and this satisfies the condition for type 4 multiverse and a type 4 multiverse scales from high outerversal to inaccessible layers into boundless.
now Alien X scaling:
he remade a universe which is type 1a and the prime universe at that and to lowballers like u this isnt universal infact when the universe got destroyed it was the prime timeline which destroyed it infinite alternate timelines and dimensions along with it like ledgerdomain and nullvoid which are infinite and exist in every universe throughout the infinite multiverse (also from the incalculable dimensions feat in ben 10 and gen rex crossover it was stated that there are infinite dimensions just wanted to state that) also to add alien x cut through an extra dimensional barrier and since universes in ben 10 are low 1a the barrier should be high 1b at best and also let me just say that the continuum are 5d in their omniscience not their AP just like goku looks 3d but he can be scaled to 6d.
Celestialsapiens also changed the artstyle did part of the type 4 multiverse and changing the artstyle is the same as transcendence. This also goes with changing the artstyle, CGI, Animation and Voice Artists and they scale above the chronosapien time bomb which can destroy a type 4 multiverse and alien x effortlessly recreated the device when he remade the universe. Derrick J Wyat said that Alien X omnipotence can be cancelled which he then later specified that it was a joke and even though he was just an artist for ben 10 not an author so his statements are useless, CELESTIALSAPIENS ARE ABLE TO MANIPULATE MANY DIRECTLY, THEY CAN SURVIVE ANYWHERE IN THE ANUR SYSTEM AND THERE LIFE FORCE CANNOT BE ABSORBED BY VLADATS OR ECTURRITES, TOEPICKS FACE DOESN’T SCARE THEM AND UPCHUCK SPECIES CANNOT EAT THEM THESE WERE ALL TRASH STATEMENTS MADE BY DJW.
Celestialsapiens also exist outside the entirety of the multiverse beyond time and space and all the infinite universes, alternate dimensions, spacetime that exist in the ben 10 multiverse as they exist beyond the multiverse which means they are beyond a type 4 multiverse and transcendent to it proof of alien x transcending the also every ben 10 from a universe timeline as they are the same alien x DNA sample and when a ben transforms into alien x anywhere in the multiverse they are the same alien x so if two bens transform into him at the same time they would basically be the same exact transformation but appearing at the same time with different bens and this time and space transcendence can classify for temporal and normal omnipresence and since alien x is omnipotent even if he isnt already omnipresent he can make himself omnipresent and if u want to use the lowball of why didn't atomix x survive the time bomb then heres my answer WHEN HE FUSED ALIEN X WITH ATOMIX THE DNA BECAME WEAKER AND THIS IS WHY HE DIDNT SURVIVE WHEN HE FUSED HE WAS STILL OMNIPOTENT JUST WAY WEAKER THAN THE GREATER OMNIPOTENCE HE WAS WHILE ALIEN X, IT IS BASICALLY LIKE ATOMIX MORTAL DNA CORRUPTED THE CELESTIALSAPIEN DNA like lets say u have infinity then u bring a finite number and take half of infinity and add it with a finite number the greater infinity that the lesser infinity would still be greater.
CONCLUSION: ALIEN X SCALES FROM HIGH OUTERVERSAL TO INACCESSIBLE LAYERS INTO BOUNDLESS SO STOP THE LOWBALLING ALREADY IT IS GETTING ANNOYING WITH ALL THESE ALIEN X LOWBALLERS AND HATERS
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Are u serious man u don't want to accept proof because I can't read@@drip_sauce7967
@@drip_sauce7967bro knows he cooked he bouta delete this 😭
@@drip_sauce7967Bro doing tricks on Goku
Ok dimensiones in ben 10 are consistently talking about Parallel universe's so that's only 4D+ or multi+ quantum mechanics scale generally nowhere without proper context so 😂😂😂 congrats you scaled Alien X multi+ because you didn't give context of the 26 dimensions being higher in nature😂
Bro you sound very bad please take some rest
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I believe that what leads people to believe that Alien x stands a chance against goku is due to the “hax” of reality distortion, however considering there are many powerful beings that can distort reality on a outerversal level as like Janemba who distorted the entire otherworld and its laws depriving beings like Kaios and Emma from using their authorities. Has also beings with Reality-FictionTranscendence as we see Arale who can break the 4th wall inside other 4th walls puts her on a level far above Alien X and yet her reality distortion doesn't work on gods of destruction who not only ignore Arale's powers but can also erase akira's editor as we see with beerus with hakai erasing Dr. Mashirito who could basically manipulate the narrative and yet was erased. There are also lines from Beerus saying that Vegeta surpassed the powers of the gods of destruction, which would put him or Goku even above Arale.
That's movie goku.
@@SansINess53no, Goku end of Z in the official one-off manga post end is far greater than Arale, super Goku and Vegeta both also being relative to these levels of power.
There are so many plot holes in this statement that it's not even funny
@@loneli_ janemba. Isn't dragon ball canon.
@@SansINess53 Buddy that STILL doesn't prove sh*t 😭
That just shows reality distortion in DB can reach outerversal, dum dum.
Alien X isn’t Gokuversal🤣
Or is he?
@@thescratchanimator570nah alien x is alien x versal
@@thescratchanimator570 he isn’t
@@Tribe25K Or is he?
Who do you think wins goku vs Mario
(Goku but like.. people are stupid)
This video is fire btw
I watched a shorts about Ben 10 vs Goku, and was so baias towards Ben that i just debunked with: raw stats and Ki being able to ignore/bypass haxes if you are stronger lmao.
So Erm...Is Goku Omnipotent?
LIke what the hell is Ki going to do when Alien x wipes him away with a thought?
And When was this shown!? Let me guess you're going to bring up the Hit Battle right? When Goku was forcing himself into the future?
Y'know wiping someone out of existence if different that bypassing a timeskip right? Also Goku couldn't do it for long seeing as that damaged his body,
And this is assuming Goku is stronger than Alien x, (By The Way He's not....Also it depends on the verse really)
Like Alien x Scales Above Feedback with the Power of the Big bang which Contains the Entire Ben 10 cosmology, Aka INFINITY stated by Albedo, The Writers, And somewhere where it said it had innumerable Star Systems....
Meaning Alien x Already Has Infinite Power,
Now I'm not trying to Downplay Goku here Since Goku does Have infinite Power...To Some Extent
(He Scales Above Cell Who in one of those intro's was stated to have infinite power)
I haven't even delved into the feats of alien x including Author Statements, but just know he can scale High outer-Infinite Layers into Boundless....
@@thescratchanimator570 Can you at least watch the video before?
you are joking right? Goku capable to defeat a celestial sapient? please... if the saiyan cannot defeat Beerus or Whiss, he much less have any chance against Alien X, who is literally more powerfult like Zeno-sama; Goku may defeat multiple powerful foes, but he never posses any invulnerability to powerful techniques that can distort space, time, reality and both creation and destruction, not to mention Alien X could withsand the destruction fo the universe while Goku cannot no matter if he use the master ultra instinct
@davidsiraze8365 Yap without a single fact, and literaly ignoring my commentary lol.
@@joelsilva4176 I watched the video already
I remember you said that Z characters cap at complex on cord nefore, did you change your take on kid buu?
Yes , they are outer
@@drip_sauce7967 none of the characters of Dragon ball are outerversal, they will never will be, they all are from planetary buster to universal and low multiversal, they will never be outerversal and thgat feat of the afterlife is silly, that place even if different from the universe it is nothing to be considered above the extraordinary if someone like Goku could simply teleport there at ease, is not different than the univverse and stating his achivements above Alien X is exponentially flawed and wrong, none of the achievemnts of Goku would ever put him above Alien X
@@davidsiraze8365 we can just debate bud stop running away 😭 my discord is free
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Idk why ur so scared, if ur so sure of yourself then own up innit 😭😭if not then don’t ever comment on my videos, just get out cus ur annoying and stupid 😭
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5:52 wouldn't that just be descriptive capacity?. W btw
I KNEW THE SECOND YOU ENDED STREAM YOU WERE GOING TO DEBUNK THIS FRUAD THANK YOU!!!🙏🙏🙏
Also I just set his channel to not recommend me his videos, I’m just going to stop interacting with these types of people from now on.
It not that deep ☠️
So uhm, Who's going to tell you that Alien x is omnipotent and Goku isn't?
Yeah.
Omnipotent = having unlimited power; able to do anything:
Goku isn't Omnipotent, you see where I'm Going?
Wiping GOku out of existence ya see?
@@thescratchanimator570 stop rage baiting me boy and go back to your dad (your dad is Tylearned)
@@4nth0ny1-80 Why would I be rage baiting?
I'm literally just saying the facts lol.
And No, no he isn't I'm actually with a pretty functioning family thank you very much,
@@thescratchanimator570 Ben 10 even in his all alien X form can’t kill Goku in anyway shape or form because he is still weak compared to base Goku, now that is stating facts lol.
Alien X = high hyperversal - immeasurable speed
Base Goku = outerversal - irrelevant speed
If Tylearned doesn't want to use the higher end scaling for Goku then he doesn't have to. It's merely an alternate way of scaling Goku. Besides it's not like there aren't ANY holes in the outerversal scaling for Goku. The afterlife has been shown to move in real time with the mortal realm before, Cell was able to be teleported there and blow up King Kai's planet because of this which is weird if the afterlife supposedly lacks the concepts of space and time. There's also the fact that in Super Goku Black was forcefully pulled back into his timeline by a rift in space-time and had no way of fighting against it, if Goku Black was outer this would be pretty weird as most outerversal characters aren't bounded by any form of time so how could Black be forced back into his own timeline by the laws of the universe if he's above the concept of time?
Oga shut up no dey type story for me, if you wan debate , come debate, if you no wan debate, no disturb me with all dis story
@drip_sauce7967 Wtf is this English? 🤣
I mean he used higher end scaling for alien x. Also if you've noticed, a lot of comic fans r also using higher end scaling for some of their favs like thor, hulk or supes and getting em to outer through contradictory scans. So id say overall getting into higher end db arguments is also fair game
@@ashuraomega1000 Its pidgin, Ghanians and Nigerians use it
@BabaBlue-t8e ah I see
I’m tired of goku downplay bruh lol
Same
Me to
Me too man😭
What gets me is the guide-less scale video drip did. So many franchises rely on guidebooks for their scaling and the scalers of said franchises are hypocrites and don’t let DB fans use the guidebooks.
So drip scales Goku without it and they STILL dont accept it. WHAT DO YOU WANT???
bro huh? evb highballs tf outta him to the max 😭
Recover Drip_Sauce! I’ll Pray For You 🙏
I always take what Tylearned says with a grain of salt, mainly because of his Kid Buu vs Buuhan video 😭
Wait does he think kid Buu is stronger?
Nvm just watched it bro was straight yapping
Alien X SOLO dragon ball verse
In your dream
Base Goku soloes the dragon ball verse lool.
@theveryproudmoroccan2834 XD Alien X>>>>>>>>>> Comp dragon ball verse
@@User_sanrio-v9t XD Alien X outer>>>>>>>>>>> dragon ball 2B 💀
@@konrad8898 Alien x is a complex multiversal, but it still beats the whole Goku verse.
DB fans is going to do anything to prove that their verse is stronger even if it's sound ridiculous 😅
And also have proof for to back it up
@Sam-s5e5l i mean as a Dragon Balls fan too, I don't think Goku can solo every verse or fiction. He's still yet to be the strongest in his verse.
@NutXD not his verses and alien x was so overrated asf he is going to gets one shot by Goku alien x is multivers at max
@@Sam-s5e5l we can't say Goku one-shot Alien x though since we haven't seen Alien x with all their potential.
@@NutXD how would you know he didn't use his full power to recreate the universe
I hope you will recover from your sickness,malaria is a really bad sickness,but you cant be serious right now bro....
Like you are sick and tired,and rather taking your time to recover,you are reacting to a video that says Goku looses,at this point you love Goku more than yourself,and more than our Lord!
Look I love Saitama for example,but he is not a priority in my life,even if he is a great character,he is a nonexistent fictional character.
Same with Goku. Seriously why do you love Goku that much? Why he is above enerything in your life? Why Goku is your personality and everything?
You could have done that video after your recovery seriously bro. Let Goku rest a lil bit and focus on recovery
Cus defending goku got the money to take care of myself and buy the drugs to treat my malaria
@drip_sauce7967 I hope you will get tha amounth needed for the medicines
Faxes🔥🔥🔥👌 he got multiple things wrong. Saying Zeno has hax??? That "hax" is his power LMFAO. Lord Zeno made an Outerversal feat💀💀👌 also hope you recover soon🙏
name an outer feat from zeno
@@System357 erasing concepts during the future trunks arc, and it includes infinite sized galaxies, and the universe which is infinite stated by jace
@@Hantsuaberānohe also erased all timeline (dragon ball complex cosmology) stacking higher dimensionality 😂 these downplayers.
@@cloverkingdom6341that only makes it universal in scale,in fact it’s far inferior to Alien x because he recreated the Ben prime timeline which branches off infinitely
@@zayzillions7319that only scale to universe+
This person think realms in Dragon ball are only 4D because there only 3 spatial dimensions of space where characters can move and can time travel in the 4th temporal dimension of time and the Otherworld would just be it own version of of a non physical realm separate from the reality form the physical realm that has it own 4 dimensions of spacetime in a metaphysical level. Even though it has no form of space and time and also transcends dimensionality at the same time because it is said to be a heavenly afterlife that transcends dimensions that the human world can’t see would just be beyond the limitations of thing that are physical and not geocentric spatial dimensions something that is Outerversal is where characters can travel to any axis
The Ben 10 verse along with Cartoon Network sadly gets one shot by Goku, it’s not 2022 anymore
😭😭😭😭 wtf is u TALKING about he DOES N O T😭😭😭😭
@ watch the video ur commenting on rn+alien x is 5d
@@Brothers2xtreme he is 26d gng in the show it said that the Ben 10 cosmology is said to be 26d and alien x is above the Ben 10 cosmology
@ Goku is outer if u watched dr1p sauce vids
@@Brothers2xtreme so is alien x
Even when he’s sick my goat drip sauce still releasing peak. Truly inspiring keep it up and get well soon. ❤🙏🏾
Alien x is just 4D ı can prove it goku have above irreleveant layers of R>F transcendence to alien x or should ı say fodder x😂
W-What are you *YAPPING* About!?
Okay, Just let me copy and paste a comment rq
"He tanked the destruction of the universe and then remade it. The universe in ben 10 is made up of infinite dimensions and timelines and as established by paradox in one of the confirmed canon comics, time itself. And not only did he no cell the destruction of all of these, he remade them right after. He is easily outerversal"
Alien x Is not Just 4d, He's beyond 26d Seeing as he must of have to recreate the 26+ Dimensions Stated by Cosmic Mom.}
And...Let's say Goku is *PHYSICALLY* stronger right?
The hell is Goku doing when Alien x Goes like
Motion Carried
And Mogs Goku Away 😭🙏
@@thescratchanimator570 is that so? ı am yapping?
Okay buddy
If thats all you're capable of...
Here is the debunk of Ben 10:
Because the 26D sht comes from bosnic string theory (Ben 10 has string theory) the problem is that's not the same dimensions as spatial ones. They're just about additional extensions of the regular spatial dimensions that we detect to have it tracable through mathematics because we can't physically percieve them as in Ben's case he can't percieve more than three.
Like Bulks are spatial they’re called large extra dimensions from where the idea of like “infinitesimal” to a higher dimension came from and this is where the problem begins since Viewing something as infinitesimal isn't really higher dimensionality, and not to mention the extra dimensions are literally mathematically tractable so it only makes sense if that case interprets "infinitesimal" to a largely finite extent, and even if it was infinite that's not enough to make it genuinely higher dimensional because that means it's infinite to the lower dimension instead of being transcendent enough to percieve what's lower to the infinite as higher like infinite 3D and more into so would be 4D 5D 6D and higher in this
Also the water blocker analogy of the same theory further proves my point.. Instead of the standard requirements of humans unable to grapple with the existence of more than 3 axis's of movements like in regular spatial dimensions.. we fall unable to perceive the 4D 5D 6D in string theory due to mass acting as the external force to the "inertial" flow of our movement capabilities... it's like this, the lesser the mass the more dimensions you are able to move through, like for example if you have negative mass you can go faster than light hypothetically (0-mass photons are SoL) and this ties in with relativity theory which proposes FTL leading to time travel which lets you flip over time like a book which is the 4th dimension.. and so on.. literally become ftl alone is 4D in bosonic string theory, unlike actual scaling.
So nope, those "26 dimensions" are NOT tiering's spatial dimensions
conclusion:alien x is galaxy level base goku victim
@@thescratchanimator570 ı dont want ruin you but ı will debunk more some parts
Alien x never created universe he is just created a few galaxy
ı already debunked dimensions
twitter statements scales nowhere and alien x author never said this and if he really said this this is still scales nowhere
@@Alastor-t7i Crazy Lowball,
Also...We talking about Base Ben or- Like? We're talking about a celestialsapien Right?
Like a hypothetical Peak CelestialSapien? they can definitely perceive more than 3 dimensions lol
But feel free to try and debunk what I'm about to write, this is a copy and paste rq
@@Alastor-t7i Alien x recreated his Universe y'know, even then what the heck is that going to do when Alien x Wipes Goku from existence with just a thought!? like ignoring Morality here Alien x could literally just do that, is Goku resistant to getting wiped from existence in just the blink of an eye? I mean really!
And The Ben 10 Universe is infinite, do your research it was stated by Duncan Rouleau, and it was stated to have infinite Star Systems, And Alien x Has Universal Erasure Durability
(Shown When he EASILY TANKED THE Annihilarrgenesistoriathimiorgost wiping out the universe,)
And to Scale Ben even higher if you want to Ignore Author Statements,
Malturant Literally stated the Ben 10 universe contained infinite time so, and Alien x recreated Said universe so... :/
Now If you're going to still try to glaze Goku... Paradox literally says Quantum Mechanics and String Theory proving the Ben 10 cosmology has those things, Paradox also stated how the next universe over to the prime one had different physics showing how each universe in the Ben 10 cosmology follows diferent physics so...take that as you will
So How Dificult would it Be for Goku to beat Alien x? Wel...Alien x absolutely Speedblitzes Goku, (With His Thoughts), Hand to Hand which would be just nerfing Alien x's Abilltiies which includes reality warping, You could still scale Him Outerversal-Infinite Layers into Boundless, seeing as Feedback absorbed the power of the big bang which created the Ben 10 cosmology, and Alien x would obviously scale far above that if you read what I said Previously
So Scaling alien x just by his durability already gives him Outerversal-Boundless Power,
And I almost Forgot speed!
Now Let me Put it in Simple Terms, Enemies in Dragon ball are Capable of Being faster Than instant Transmission, Seeing as I'm right now being Cannon Granolah is capable of being faster than instant transmission so... 🤷🏾♂, Anyways let's get to Alien x's speed!
He's obviously Massively Faster than Accelerate who's Capable Of Stopping Time So Erm...Yeah, And Considering Waybig was Able to React to the Conquest ray which is obviously massively faster than light seeing as the beam travelled from earth to Pluto in a matter of seconds Alien x is definitely capable of reacting to massively faster than light attacks seeing as Alien x >>>>>>> Waybig by a wide margain, And Jetray was Capable of Entering HyperSpace with enough build up meaning Jetray would have to be capable of wistanding and travelling at Light speeds so Alien x Is Definetely mftl, He might even have infinite speed! who knows he's omnipotent lol,
And I haven't even mention Aleph Null Which was shown in one of the Ben 10 backgrounds already making Alien x High Outerversal- Infinite Layers into Boundless,
Comics Also Support This, Listen I love Goku too but the whole point of his character is he may or may not win every Battle he wins, at that matters to him is if he's protecting the ones he cares about, and if he's learning more on how to be a better fighter, Goku is strong...But Alien x Is in a whole different Realm.
When asked and I hope you answer, it's not a debunking or anything, but a normal comment
First: Why do most Dragon Ball fans only use the anime? I know it's canon, but the manga deals with events in the anime
Such as: Goku in the anime shook the world of emptiness, but in the manga, not only did he not shake, but he never transformed in that way
It was mentioned in the manga that the ideal Cell said that he had enough power to destroy a solar system
Majin Buu was pointed out that he did not destroy many planets, Moro's explosion with the power of the assistant destroyed the galaxy, this did not even exceed the universe
The other world is said to be the Outer Verse due to the lack of space-time and physical concepts and is not material, but there is a mistake, such as gravity is present and the concept of weight is present and penetrating the concepts of space-time raises 5D, because even the empty void exceeded them and said that there is a place outside the causal and there is no evidence in the manga that the main Dragon Ball characters reach a universe, all of them are from the studio and some of them were deleted in the versions without fillers, in proportions to shock Goku and Beerus, it's different here, the clash with a god of destruction, why didn't it happen against Gas or Moro?
I also hope you are well and that you are being treated for malaria.🤲🤲🤲
Bud I can’t read all of that, my eyes hurt
@drip_sauce7967 I wish you a speedy recovery, try to rest, and come back better
@ fr
Bro has just been contradicting himself and zeno erasurevis a hax wtf. And super Goku is barely 5d like wtf. Ok I'm done with these down players
Exactly
Like no dbz or dbs character is anywhere close to outer
@@Igga577 wrong, none of those chaarcters are outerversal, they are merely from planet buster to low multiversal, you are just putting them above by your own facts who are wrong to put them in a scale above multiversal
@@davidsiraze8365 I said that no dbz and dbs is outer.
@@davidsiraze8365 think you read it a bit wrong
You don’t need afterlife meta to get goku to outer just argue he scales to instant transmission zones via infinite zamasu
1:35 how does someone get stronger if they are at outerversal. Is there a super ultimate divine God outerversal tier that we just didn't know as dbz characters are getting obliterated by base caba?
Multiple layers into something ig?
@Monkes23 ok, I will give you that but your supposedly outerversal with multiple layer characters still died to the destruction of a planet in the second dragon ball super movie🤣
@@ashimbeast4732 Superman got shot by a bullet, Sonic gets thrashed around by robotic animals, you can’t take one instance and discard everything else, that is the most ignorant and biased a person can be 😭.
@@Monkes23 okey, but you are doing it more then me as you are telling me that dbz characters are boundless but are getting stronger when boundless is supposed to be the peak of how strong someone can be in fiction and also moments like vegita dying and other details that they might not be outerversal.
@ashimbeast4732 that would be a non sequitur argument lol. Also we aren't saying Dragon Ball characters are Boundless lmao. There's different layers into Outerversal and High Outerversal.
Just because a 5D being is stated to be inferior to another being doesn't automatically make that other being 6D...
Lol
Nah bro all respect to you, hope you get better, and I agree with you that some things he said were wrong, but Alien X Beats Goku. Possibly the whole verse except Zeno and grand priest. He just has too many Hacks and Stats. You never even reacted to the full video, but I get why you're sick and I don't blame you for that. And you were tweaking when you said Yamcha can beat Alien X.
We can debate yamcha vs alien X
@@drip_sauce7967 pfff now you are sounding ridiculous, Alien X is way mor epowerfylt ahn the dragon ball verse, we know for sure that the power scaling of Goku only reach to low Multiversal, for the fights and adversaries he fought in his whole life, besides Alien X has abilities and techniques that can allow him to defeat him by mere thinking, I know your video was meant to remove the stats Trylearned did, but you are exaggeratting his abilities wrongly, Goku is not outerversal, he will never be, he is low multiversal and thats the absolute maximum feat he will ever reach
@@davidsiraze8365 we can debate bro don’t waste my time yapping 😭
@@drip_sauce7967 yeah like what you say could be accurate, Goku is not outerversal nor he is storng to defeat Alien X, learn this, the abilities and powers Alien X posses, can easily eliminate Goku no matter hwat powers he has
If we’re just taking the fight at face value,goku vs ben,in a plain area outside the universe,ben could literally just think of turning into alien x and than as kevin said himself "they could blink were gone"I do believe I forgot the line but,it implies alien x could just erase him out of existence,and even without it alien x has the power to make people that are 3D change the artstyle and use him as a reason to change everything
Can you prove he can ease a stronger being than him
@ thats not really how it works,you need the hax to negate it,goku doesnt
@@RandomKloudz my question can you prove alien erase being who stronger than him and Goku survival hakai
@ can you prove to me he cant erase goku rn?
@ how would goku not get erased?
We’re talking about Alien X, an alien that can do anything Zeno does better as he is stated to be able to blink and erase everything. The same alien that outclasses Feedback who can hold en explosion the size of the Big Bang that was going to destroy the Ben 10 universe which has at least 26 different dimensions that are all infinite in size with an infinite amount of time lines. And Alien X is literally Omnipotent as said in the show, plus he’s a reality warper
He's also the strongest sapien celestial and they can literally change the whole Ben 10 universe they can change the artsyle the characters and anything basically
you are correct I am shocked hwo the community of dragon ball still thinks Goku stronger than low multiversal, while he never proved to have any feat to put him in a level like Zebo-sama, we are talkign about a specie who can destroy the multiverse by mere thought and recreat the universes, soemthing Goku couldn't and will never will be capable to do
Speedy recovery
W debunk
Does type 4 multiverse scales beyond boundless and tiering system
Wow
Low outer now
I think it is boundless or even higher
...
12:44 a type 4 multiverse can't be boundless because a multiverse is still bound by cosmology something boundless are characters that exist in a state of being beyond existence
Finally i have seen TH-camr who understands goku power scaling. Drip sauce keep cooking 💯💪🏽
Full bullshit
@atg570 yooo I think you tagged the wrong person
Drip doesn't know how to power scale 😂😂😂
@@KuroTheUnstoppableYT absolutely, he still thin Goku is outerversal, while is low multiversal naturally, Goku is not match to Alien X
@davidsiraze8365 I swr bro
Bro first i wish you a swift an painless recovery amen 🙏
Second the amount of bias here is staggering how tf he scaled alien X 4D+ ans he touching goku who he scaled 5D LMFAO keep Cook 🍲👨🍳
Downplaying Alien X to 4D in 2024 tho
Isn't he literally 26 d or 27d
@@Idk-gd5yx that's excluding legerdomain and the null void
Ah, crossverse scaling... The lamest debates in history...
Arale solos anyway 🤷
Who
@@jayson.win231gag character in DB
@@JoelMendez-ef6uk oh yeah low-key forget her
Arale is a cheat. Gag powers are too op.
Because I want saying Goku is complex multiversal to outerversal bro block me from the chat💀
I wanna tell you all, that he only considered manga goku aka toriyama's goku not toei's not the anime's.
Just toriyama's goku.
Movie goku is busted yes but legit game sonic would surpass him as he gets stronger by the millisecond. That's how scaling works.
GT goku will beat alien x. But Z and super goku can't because they didn't show good feats.
GT goku moved in sogoroku space which is a place with no time and space resulting in GT Goku being boundless in speed.
And alien x definitely didn't show that but I think he can actually perform it.
And remember.
Alien x can clone himself. With no drawback.
Meaning he can clone himself 1 billion times to destroy every goku if he desires to.
Overall to me.
Ben 10 beats goku (high diff)
Mainly due to alien x.
Oh and forgot to mention, alien x legit messes with time like nothing and distorts it and goku in the start of super and end of it. Hasn't been able to show us he can distort with time without clashing around with his opponents.
So overall hax and strength advantage goes to alien x,
Speed might aswell go to both fighters as they are kinda tied in that,
Alien x legit will be able to beat goku
His cloning ability and immediate eraser ability and reality destroying abilities legit makes alien x win. No matter how strong his opponent is.
Overall high diff or extreme diff.
Ben 10 wins.
Just watch the show and find the lore instead of going "goku stronger than everyone"
Because this statement hasn't been correct once like how beerus having weirdass scaling going from weaker than blue to stronger than gogeta blue.
Overall that's it.
Come argue.
Instant transmission doesn't give a speed boost.
Also, ...
The guy who did goku vs Ben 10 was kinda drunk from what I know.
He knows how to do cartoon scaling but not anime scalings.
Bud nobody reading allat , disagree = debate im not interested in yapping
Biggest yap
@@drip_sauce7967awwn can't dripy drip read
@@joelsilva4176 idk but most scalings makes stuff wacky.
@@joelsilva4176 goku would get injured by rocks and bullets but not get injured by erasing beams. So here is my point, greymatter no diffs goku
do goku vs scp 096 PLEASE IM TIRED OF DEBATING KIDS
Man didn’t mention Deadzone, Dimension where Broly and Gogeta fought, neutral zone,Subspaces,Instant transmission Zone,and many Super dimensional statements and etc. cmon now look how he explained Goku compared to Alien X feats and statements smh.
Bro outside of the Broly vs Gogeta stuff THAT ISN'T CANON
@@thunderman4412what??? They are canon idk what u smokin 😂😂
@@cloverkingdom6341 they be calling everything non canon for dragon ball lmao.
@@isaacbell5156Sadly yeah😂😂
Has Goku independently destroyed a universe?
Wait just for confirmation ( correct me if im wrong) yhe 4th dimension is time. 3 spacial and one temporal. But being 5d means your above time thus as a baseline granting your immeasurable speed.
No bc if there are more spacial dimensions than 3 it would also be 5d still having time, example the demon realm in db has the normal 3 spacial dimensions + 1 other special dimension called magic (it was stated by one of the db anime writers (i forgot his name and im not home right now thats why i cant give you his name as proof) that the demon realm is the 4 dimension) + 1 temporal dimension (time) which makes the 7 universe 5d just from that and it has still time. I hope this helps.
Oh to make it clear time is only the 4 dimension in a normal universe like our own universe
@@Nr.12vs.Fiction oh that a cool fact that the demon realm has another spacial dimension. But it still has time as well. But I'm still confused why being 5D automatically makes your immeasurable speed. Could you explain if you can. Don't worry ik stuff about power scaling don't need to dumb it down
@@Price_keir OK we take now a normal universe a 4d construct made out of 3 spacial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension (which is the fourth dimension which is linear time)
lets look at the requirement for this speed tier lets take the VSWIKI definition to make it easy:
Movement unbound from the flow of linear time (if you are a 5d being you surpass a 4d construct which means you surpass the fourth dimension that is linear time itself in normal cases more info later on)
, which cannot be measured.
Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined, the speed formula cannot be applied. (this kind of math is completely irrelevant right now so just ignore it)
This is the same reason why multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed. (if you are a 5d being you would normally come from a 5d realm and this realm needs to have 5 dimensions which would be in most cases be a combination of 3 spacial and 2 temporal dimensions, something like that would fulfill the requirement. Of course there are special cases like the demon realm where it doesn't has a second temporal dimension instead it has a special dimension called magic which should fall under spacial dimensions but the demon realm is a cluster-fuck tbh maybe we get more info's after db Daima has finished)
I hope this helps you a bit😅
goku: got hurt by rock
alien x: did not get hurt by rock
Only 2 words "ki control" 😅
Also alien X: gets trapped in legos
@@ABSOLUTE_INFINITY8 Also that: Non canon and Goku got hurt by a laser
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 db have far advanced technology look to the Androids and also Goku lower his power level and also off guard
Also Alien X: gets beat by flames, legos and team work. 😀
Hope you get better bro 👌❤️
Saying that goku overpowering hit timeskip doesn't scale to immeasurable speed is just too stupid , yknow just cuz its a strong argument for goku they will disprove it by the most cappest arguments ever , bruh after few episodes when goku visited king kai's planet king kai said to goku ''you were forced your way into the future'' , or ''goku overpowering hit cuz he's only stronger'' this is what would happen cuz goku having way greater raw power would negate allien x haxes and erasure abilities.
Daizenshuu explaning that otherworld transcends dimentionality would scale otherworld to outerversal by deffinition , which is the fact that most biased goons trying to disprove by ass arguments , and goku in base form stopped beerus's final attack that will destroy the entire universe 7 including otherworld , his base form got mastered thousands of times throught arcs after BoG and got multipl godly forms with infinite multiplyers (as daizenshuu stated that ssj3 increases the power of the user infinetly).
Overral : base goku solos the verssince allien x max is at hyperversal levels.
W debunk drip goat !
Okay Did you Watch Ben 10?
I mean...You probably didn't y'all Db fans don't even watch or read your own series!
(Except Carthu He goated)
I'm not going to explain this again, but Goku's ki isn't doing sh() When Alien x wipes him away with a *THOUGHT*
That's right, No beams, no universe shifting, just wipes him away with a thought,
Like *POP GOES THE WEASEL*
Goku's cooked,
@@thescratchanimator570 I know, hearing this guyds stating and saying that Goku can win or defeat any powerful foe from the level of Alien X or compared is absolutely concering, geezes, soemtimes I doubt the fandom knows what they are saying
Massive W Drip!!!!!
Mostly i dont loke your scaling but i must agree
Alien x is overrated asf hes not beating base goku
AlienX the being that can destroy and create universes isn't beating Goku? Is it because u said so or are u coping
@@KuroTheUnstoppableYT creating 1 universe is nothing in dragon ball
Goku was gonna destoy a 5D structure as a side effect
@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch brother Goku wasn't able to destroy a universe by himself I don't know which dragon ball your watching that makes u think Goku is 5d his 4d at best and he has no solo universal feat
AlienX is a reality warping god and that even a low-ball he can do anything Goku can't even beat beerus
@@Bruh-wtf-did-i-just-watch since when Goku could do that? none of his feats would allow him to destroy soemthign above the universe, I mean, the other universes were not at risk and even if he is a powerful warrior, he is low multiversal and thats it, a being like Alien X can easily defeat him by using his powers on him, no matter what you say
Guys don't be deceived. ChatGPT states Goku is 4d and AlienX is beyond 6d with powers equal and better than Zeno himself. If you don't believe me then check.
is chat GPT a omnipotent god?
It doesn't know scaling? Like literally give context it will agree Goku being outer
oh really? also when ı show a outversal goku scan to chatgpt he agreed it and when ı said chagpt to debunk alien x he debunked it too
Yow drip sauce can I have a word with you
In Dragon Ball, Ki is a powerful force that can bypass some abilities, but it operates within the context of that universe’s rules. Claiming Goku as "Outerversal" due to his Ki usage is an exaggeration, as Outerversal beings exist beyond any dimensional or conceptual boundaries-transcending all forms of space, time, and existence as we know it. Goku’s feats, while impressive, have never reached that level. He has shown strength up to multiversal scale at best, but not on a level where he transcends all of reality itself.
Alien X, from *Ben 10*, operates on a different kind of power. His reality-warping abilities allow him to manipulate time, space, and existence, giving him a Hyperversal classification. This isn’t about physical strength or speed; it’s about fundamental control over reality. Unlike Goku, who relies on physical attacks, Alien X can alter the very fabric of existence, nullifying physical limitations. This kind of power often supersedes brute strength and durability feats, as it changes the rules of the universe itself.
Outerversal and Hyperversal classifications aren’t just about raw power-they’re about existence beyond dimensional structures. Goku’s abilities are powerful, but they’re still bound by the laws of his universe. For a deeper understanding, it’s essential to look into dimensional tiering systems and resources like the VS Battles Wiki, which explain these concepts and why Goku doesn’t scale to Outerversal levels.
the dbz scans says otherwise, he reaches outerversal his powers arent bound by the universe tf?
That's form ChatGPT isn't it
And the stuff you said about Alien x isn't Hypervarsel at all bro do proper research lol
DON'T USE VS BATTLES WIKI IT'S GARBAGE
@@RetroMagnus761 he's using ChatGPT and everything he said scales nowhere
Debunk XD
I have never seen downplay so bad that is cringe
Like in all seriousness dude do u really think i should believe u someone who thinks db cosmology is bigger than whole of dc
Come on and AlienX is just going to blink Goku out of existence or drain his power or kill him in his childhood or age him or just increase his size and crush him i mean come on your videos have one particularly formula
Hype up db and down play others
*YOU* can't even debunk it yet your yapping about disagreeing and saying bs without any proof, like bro if you disagree go debate with him, and don't talk bs about you saying I can't debate with you, your disagreeing with *Drip_Sauce* arguments and *FAX*
*YOU* can't disagree because you can't debunk it, you can't scale anything Alien X or Goku did, nor do you know scaling overall.
So if *YOU* disagree with Drip, *YOU* should debate with him and prove him wrong instead of just yapping like a bum.
Because hes scared ill destroy and embarrass him 😭😭😭 he doesn’t want to lose badly to a “gokutard”
You are coping here also
@TheManTheGuy-jb4mm come on dude AlienX is a reality warping being with more feats than Goku
Heck if u can answer this 3 question I'll consider
1 has Goku ever breathe in space
2 does he have any single universal feat
3 can he resist existence erasure
Short answer no
@drip_sauce7967 come on dude it's sad
I understand people like solo leveling or Naruto
But saying AlienX losing to someone without a single solo universal feat to his name is dumb as hell
Bro all you do is glaze, glaze glaze 🙏💀
You came here, watched the entire video where he gave all the proof he can in his condition and call it glazing? kinda sounds like hate glazing to me.
@yardite7777 you're a literal bot nga
Debate or shut up
“oh the thrill of the double life”
@drip_sauce7967 get a better mic first nga.
Alien X solos all of Canon DB.
How
least obvious ragebait:
Debate or shut up
@@jonathangetachew5705 Least sweaty Alien X defender
@@BingQiLing.Because of the amount of feats and power he has
The only alien X goku beating is the reboot one 😂
😂😂 no
well the weaker celestial sapien is the only one Goku can defeat
@@davidsiraze8365alien x cap at complex multi and Goku is outer he can destroy after life which is a higher plane of existence and which Transcend other dimensions and have no concept of time and space and beyond dimensionality and connected to the microcosm in most highest metaphysical level so afterlife easily scale to outer with no problem
Them African Steroid Mosquitos got to you?
Wtf
Yh 😭
@@lilhoops7841lmao
😊I wonder how people fall for these stuff these days
I swr
ben could turn into a saiyan and with the ultimate forms he could surpass goku
No, just dead wrong
At worst he would get ssj 3 or 4, still fodder
@@drip_sauce7967 the base transformations are modified to have peak potential,if cabba who lived in universe 6 who lived relatively peaceful life can match base post bog vegeta imagine how strong ben would be
According to Dwayne mcduffe the process of ultimate form is achieved by placing a selected DNA in a war zone over a million years, worse case scenario so imagine like a peak saiyan undergoing a million years of constant zenkai boost to the point the DNA have to evolve to withstand it
@@shadowninja8960universe 6 Saiyans and universe 7 Saiyan are different also he will not have ki control
@Light-qs1qk universe 6 saiyans lived a peaceful life compared to their violent universe 7, ki control is natural to saiyans Goku mimicked kamehameha with practically no training and vegeta was able to sense power level without the scouter
Omnitrix also have data dump a feature let's transformation's basic instinct downloaded to his brain so he can use the transformation's full potential from start and since even baby pan could fly to the upper atmosphere it's all natural instinct to saiyans, he might not be able to perform kamehameha or instant transmission but he could have his basic instinct like ki control and shooting ki blasts and can fly
1:Frieza Is not Universal in the namek saga, It Just means he can destroy the universe over time, 2:The Kaioshin realm Is though considered a part of the afterlife, no outerversal feat, to destroy the kaioshin realm Is IG low multi due to it being 1/10 of a universe+a big asf afterlife, being higher Simply means to be placed above the universe as stated in the anime and the far seeing arts which Kami have as well and can see the reall below, Korin being stated to see the lower realm aka the earth, it doesn't mean there is a transcendence, just placed above
We can debate all that bud
@drip_sauce7967 sure
@drip_sauce7967 you can give your arguments and I'll answer, what are your objections?
@ sorry but i don’t argue in comments sections, that’s for low tier goons
@@drip_sauce7967 drop your cord
Goku not beat alien x you are delusion you think Goku really best alien x
Fr man he is just fanboy 😂
We can debate 😂
@@ffbeast6680copium maxxed out 😂 debate me bud
@@nappyheadboy2709 copium ? So u sayin u aient a fanboy ? 💀
@@ffbeast6680lol so this is the comment u were talkin about
Yikes.
Another one of these? When will you learn drip.
When will you learn.
When will you learn to stop being a waste of time and debate or shut up
@Chillythesilly Ain't you the same person who commented on my Outerversal scaling for Goku and the Afterlife and said "Dragon Ball fans continue to embarrass themselves"?????💀
@
Indeed I am!
Nice to see a fan ;]
Plus outer goku doesn’t exist
@@drip_sauce7967 what if you stop yapping and you shut up and admit the mistake you are saying, Goku Outerversal? eveyrhting you say of his feats is wrong and a lie, Goku is not outerversal, he is low multiversla and eveyr of his feats are considered to that rank from planet buster to high univerl and even low multiversal is an absolute fact
11:45 he is faster than proffesor paradox who is unbound by time and can move in non linear time
Bud that nigga ain’t fast
@drip_sauce7967 paradox exists outside of time this moving in a non linear in timeline
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And alien x is faster than him
@@shadowninja8960how is alien x is faster than him and how he got out speed by lot of character some of them kidnapped him
@@Light-qs1qk alien x is considered omnipresent, both young ben and old ben uses the same alien x, like a Schrodinger situation and alien x is faster than paradox, celestial sapiens are above paradox and he respects his rules and alien x can erase paradox away in a blink of an eye
@shadowninja8960 first were dose it stated that he is omnipresent and if paradox respect them that doesn't apply for nothing that they are faster than him and his ability you are saying is hax and also it's seen that atomic x who have half the power alien x get erase by time boob and its stated by azimuth clock work can kill them so alien x is bounded by time and also stated to that fairy alien can put them to sleep
W drip, casually debunking.. also I hope you get well soon, god bless..
Get alien x past game sonic fr
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Get Super Goku Against Game Sonc or SuperMan
@@ClashMasterStudios high-key impossible
@@jayson.win231😑🤦🏿♂️
Dripsauce is trying to cook, but burns his fingers. You say tylearned is down playing, while you highballing Goku with fake statements, claims out of context, and and cherry picking lol, Goku is barely universal 😂
We can debate that bud don’t run away
@ you wanna debate garbage son ? Than bring valuable feats and not some of your mistranslations 🤣.
@@drip_sauce7967 seems like shitsauce is mute again 🤣
@@OneHundredSlayergo to his disc you can find him their if you are not scared
@@Sam-s5e5l I did. He didn’t came like always
I like you drip by why the downplay on alien x by going a mile for goku
Who downplayed alien X ? I literally agreed with his hyperversal scaling
W vid, it's close to 2025 and we still downplaying the Goat 🐐 like cmon 🫤
DBZ fans making up their own powerscaling words at this point, alien X wipes goku immediately just coping with your takes
Just shut up and come debate me
Chiatzou solos Ben 10 verse just by glaring..
@@warlordz5779 How about debating instead? Drip even called ya
@@cloverkingdom6341for sure in your imagination right?
@@KuroTheUnstoppableYT Quoted by Drip_Dauce: "Just shut up and come debate me"
Go and do that 💀
So your one of those people
I love how garlic jr smokes him thats crazy.
Damn... Not alien x casual destroying and rewriting all of DBZ but seriously i don't really trust what you say since you seem to be a dragon ball glazer so yeah people who actually think goku beats alien x just know if you think goku beats alien x you think that he beats Zeno
"your a dragon ball glazer" mfs call ANY good scaling for goku "glazing", drip's scaling of goku is his actual feats but you ignore it because ofcourse bias
@yardite7777 you can literally just go through his entire channel and can see he glaze's DBZ like fucking crazy I'm going to say DBZ is weak cause it's not and Goku isn't weak either it's just that people overate the fuck out of it like seriously sailor moon would be able to beat Goku but people like drip will literally say otherwise and people will call it "peak scaling" because he says your favorite character wins like seriously you can tell that dragon ball is his favorite anime and also when he said "normies" I cringed and immediately stopped taking him seriously but that's probably just me edit: also I can see that you have a Goku pfp so thank you for proving my point your a Goku fan that can't handle the fact that Goku isn't the strongest character in fiction and loses to other characters outside of his show
@@gulamonizuku4218kid, pipe down man 💀 i didn’t order a damn yappucino 😭🙏 now either debate or shut up
@Fearlessfer69 "I didn't order a yappuchino☝️🤓 this will get em" ahh response but ok we can debate lil bro
Take this Dislike. You have malaria and still made a video. You are absolute Freek.
bro what😭😭😭😭😭
Bro did NOT cook alien x solo goku mf is multiversal alien x is hyperversal
Actually Goku is beyond multiverse level thanks Frieza,Jiren,Moro,gas and broly
@jayson.win231 alien x is still beyond goku
@Idk-gd5yx doubt it u claim alien x is hyperversal which puts him below goku considering that Goku's is outverseal when he's going all out
We can debate that
@@jayson.win231 wait I meant to say outer versal nvm
W as always 😪🔥
Goku slams alien x
Wrong. You're just high balling Goku.
How exactly
Great debunk if u think goku is 5d in 2024. Then go to school and learn the language.
I mean u guys out here using z movie goku scaling to scale normal goku
So Erm.
Who's going to tell him that Alien x could simply wipe Goku out of existence with a thought?
tf is Goku to do then? Say "nuh uh" and Go super saiyan 429?
We can just debate that
@@drip_sauce7967 Seriously though Goku has no getting popped out of existence feats, Goku ain't omnipotent, and Alien x has been stated to be omnipotent, and like Kevin has said they could blink and they all would be gone...So...
And Considering The Ben 10 Cosmology Has Quantam Mechanics, String Theory, And Aleph Null it should be infinite in size? Heck it was STATED to be infinite in size with Infinite Solar Systems!, So erm...If we're going to Nerf Alien x's abillities in this Debatem we'll have to nerf Goku's aswell no?
@@drip_sauce7967 Where would you Even Scale Alien x,
I know you would scale Goku Very Much High Outer+, But what category would Alien x fall into?
@@thescratchanimator570 bud , don’t yap to me I can’t read overly long texts cus it hurts my eyes, just debate me
@@thescratchanimator570 hyperversal
both of ysll vids are bull tbh
Debate ?
I feel like people forget the fact that alien x could literally just erase goku from existence like Zeno... Goku is strong but he's not beating a being that can erase the universe recreate it could basically just copy all of Goku's abilities and feats with ease and there's also the fact that celestial sapiens can only be hurt by other celestial sapiens also even if ben didn't have alien x Goku is still a alien people act like he's not but he is all ben would have to do is scan goku with the Omnitrix and he can turn into a Saiyan and the Omnitrix turns you into the peak version of said alien i may not be a giant powerscaler but this is completely obviously one sided with or without alien x keep coping lil bro
If you wanna debate go ahead and join the discord
@@drip_sauce7967 I'm not joining a whole ass discord call to debate with you we can either debate here or you take the L
@@gulamonizuku4218first can you prove he can ease being who is a higher dimensions than him and the peak Saiyan he would have power level of 60k
@@Light-qs1qk the Omnitrix could scan alien x who is a celestial sapien a race of god like aliens who are above the third dimension Goku believe it or is third dimensional when it comes to his plane of existence and celestial sapiens are more powerful than Saiyans so yes he could literally quite easily copy Goku's DNA and become a Saiyan more than Goku and again he still has alien x who would wipe the floor with him anyways
@@drip_sauce7967 Alright So Where would you Scale Alien x?
NOT MY G.O.A.T(Alien X) HE GOT COOKED
I don't know how on earth this dudes downplay Goku to 5D. Goku was above 5D during Dead zone movie.
Z Movie aren't Cannon to Super
@@ClashMasterStudiosYESSS THEY AREEE.
@@ClashMasterStudiosno they arent, they dont even make sense canon wise
@@sonicwithglasses131They are thanks to Dragon Ball Kakarott with is cannon, since Akira Toriyama itself said is a expansion of the original story, with new ones never seen before; making Dragon Ball Xenoverse Cannon, therefore making all movies cannon as well
@@sonicwithglasses131 That what i said they aren't Cannon to Super they are Cannon to Gt
“Cause I know you can’t read”😂😂😂
Bro would probably scale pan to universal 💀
Look man everybody has their own opinions so if you think every DB character is oiter good for you i guess
If you can’t debate me on it then be quiet
@drip_sauce7967 Looks like i struck a nerve huh 😹😹
@@BabaBlue-t8e you can make up whatever you want bud, as long as it helps you sleep at night
@@drip_sauce7967 Thats just you cuz unlike DB powerscalers, we dont look at Pieces of Irrelevant Guidebooks to Boost DB verse, we just enjoy the show 😹😹😹
@ irrelevant guidebooks? The author and the staff members made guides to explain things that weren’t explained in details in the manga and anime, licensed it as canon , and even sell it as part of their merchandise , even the author said if he had the guide while writing the series he would’ve written db a lot better, thats why its called a guidebook , and yet its somehow irrelevant? Go ahead and explain how a literal encyclopedia made for the series by the series staff and author is irrelevant 😂😂😂
The db fandom will never accept the truth that Goku gets atomized by million characters, you people are just living their own world. and that guy was completely correct Alien x destroys the verse no diff. Cry about it
"living in their own world" you say while yapping about how hes wrong with no proof despite dripsauce literally giving proof/feats to back his statements🤦
@yardite7777 drip sauce is just another Goku glazer he is not different than any other db fan, Alien x can just rewrite Goku's history like he wasn't even a saiyan
@@DagmawiKassahun-p4c calling feats/proof "glazing" sounds like hate glazing to me
@@yardite7777fr
Debate or shut up
I do hate goku downplay but I am 100% shore he loses to alien x. Dont get me rwong the power that goku posseses is great but unlles in the real mach up he dosent get a new form he is going to get beat.
Bruh,ABREX destroy ban10 fan clown on that topic 😑
@@User_sanrio-v9t?
Good debunk as always. Hope you get better.
Goku loses to Alien X end of story.
If Goku can age, Alien X wins. If Goku can age, "Clockwork" wins.
None of you know what a "Dimension", "Universe", or any of these terms mean. You damn sure have no idea how they work.
Debate him then 💀💀💀
Your saying he doesn't understand it yet he shows the meaning of them in every single f*cking video he has 💀
If Goku is stronger than anyone the hax don't apply to him
@ You don’t understand, Alien X is not hax. I don’t care if you say “hax” or “dimension”. The moment you used real world science or scientific terms Goku lost.
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If Goku ages, he loses.
Aging is not a hack, it is simply thought to be a hack - There is a reason why I brought up Clockwork as well.
@Second_Library_of_Alexandria bro said alien X isn't hax 💀💀💀 nahhhhhh gerout
Just debate or shut up and keep your mindless yapping to yourself
W man he is z Goku victim
Even without the outer scaling goku solos via scaling to arale nad heroes as u mentioned in ur canon for dragon ball video
Goku is not beating a reality warping being
Goku cannot defeat any reality warping being no matter what people say, besides his powers are based in combat and blast attacks fithing, does abilities are no match to a powerful being to Alien X
LETS GOO THE GOAT FINALLY UPLOADED AGAIN. hope you get better 🙏