@freeclimb64 Bro... I ain't gonna argue with you... Look up K C Dawn Patrol dot org and see that they are still using VW engines, with great success. Volksplane used them too, thus "Volks" Rotax are just too expensive, otherwise, there are many who would be using them... I'm IN aviation bro. I know.... The boys that build the planes I refer to use 2200CC type 1 engines... look for yourself.... before you go calling me wrong....
@freeclimb64 1. Subaru makes flat fours too bub. 2. So what, those tins were NOT made by Volkswagen, they are ALL aftermarket. That makes the fact that they LOOK like Porsche engines totally irrelevant, because they are STILL not. 3. Tell you what- post a vid of one that isn't totally hacked to shit. I have seen beautifully done 1302/1303 Supers with huge ass type fours in them, never have I seen the flat 6 in one. Also, Porsche DID make a DOHC flat four. VERY limited number for the 356
@csimvwtnt The title says it is a type 1 engine. I thought type 1 engines stopped at 2300CC and Porsche engines were type 4 but I don't know what their displacement range is.. 2715CC for a type 1 engine seems like an awful lot of displacement, but I'm not a VW expert either. I just haven't seen such a large type 1. Love to have one. I'd put it into a plane. Hell, I could hang on the prop with that engine!!! woo-hoo!!!
4. ACVW Type ONE engines (Beetle) have pushed more then 700hp through them. I have YET to see an AC Porsche engine do that. 5. You can make that thing street legal, but making it STREETABLE is a different story. Something like this bug is a handful to drive. 6. This VW runs probably mid to low 11s. A VW that runs those speeds is about as hard to drive as a 9 second V8. 7. About everything I said: Don't try to prove me wrong on this. I know my shit. I know when someone doesn't.
To clear up some stupid shit: 1. Some 356s did use an engine similar to the type 1, some didn't. They had DOHC 356s, this car here is OHV. 2. There is no such thing technically as a Porsche AC 4 banger, those were VW engines taken from the 411/412 series. They were put into the 912 and 914, but they are STILL VW engines. 3. I always hear people saying OHH its got a porsche engine. NO. I have NEVER seen a Porsche engine in a beetle. (IAW statement 2, they would be a 6 banger)
@AYEcorolla 0.) read - think - post only if wise & necessary 1.) we´re talking about VW flatfour - don´t mix 2.) they´re commonly named Porsche-Engins, because of their look - nothing else 3.) search yourself with 911 Käfer or 911 beetle - you´ll see ;-) The rear has to be streched - ruins the shape of the classic silhoutte 4.) If ever - Some experimental DOHC do not matter. There was no production line ever
@AYEcorolla Sorry to clear yout (stupid) comment. 1.No flatfour was ever build with DOHC. All flatfours have only ONE camshaft placed directly below crankschaft, right in the middle of the crankcase. The valves are opened via (really long) push rods 2. they look like AC-"Porsche-Engins" because they´re fitted with 911 generator, 911 Cooling-Fan and customizes doghouse. OK? 3.There are several flat-six on the roads - even her in germany, where it´s pretty difficult to get them street-legal.
Cheers thats what I thought mate, I have seen electric fan setups that replace the belt driven fan and shroud. Neat little ones that just to feed the barrels cool air, not sure about the oil cooler, probably running a large square cooler with a thermo fan at that level of performance ...either way, not ideal for a daily driven beast :)
@insane320 No. That's because of people installing fuel filters in the wrong area, or not replacing bad fuel lines. As most people who own an old VW work on them themselves. They get everything running good and neglect maintainence.Also they are pretty easy to Jerry rig to get home and it leads to shauty work.
The engine is 2715cc and based on an aftermarket type 1 block. The head studs were moved out o fit 102.36mm pistons, and it uses a 82.5mm chank that i made from a chunk of 4340 bar. It has a roller cam shaft, and Pauter heads with mechanical injection on methanol(13:1 compression) The car weighs 810kg and has run as quick as 10.93@122mph
@Bigbully0110 Pretty easy: Buy some Bug parts and complete an engine. Around 2k$ you´ll get 100Hp Around 3k§ you´ll get 120HP and so on. It´s pretty easy & affordable to power up a Bug flat-four. I got me one at highschool, changed to 1835ccm, added 269° camshaft, 44 cylinderheads and got around 95HP. Lot of music for a 800kg Beetle.
People bag out VW for getting low power figures, completely forgetting early V8s around the same age like Flatheads made 75-125hp with more than 3x the capacity. A standard beetle making 40-70hp isnt bad for the day in a non-sports model, and neither is 212hp now!
4.) Not completely true. Fuhrmann's Typ 547 a.k.a the "drawer engine" has been in production at Porsche (although, admittedly, in small series) from around 1954, ending up in officially sold street legal 550/550A Spyders, 356 GS Carreras and so on, other than race cars.
well actualy he did.. , he wanted a cheap car for the people. (volk) car..(wagen) and together with Ferdinand porsche he created the volkswagen, .. at first the car was called KdF-Wagen but because of its looks (the roundings) people gave it the name beetle.. like the insect..
@freeclimb64 yeah u are right but it as long as i was aircooled (993 was the last model to have that engine) it was actually the engine from the 60ies. although it's still almost the same engine. i was just talking about the early aircooled models (as said till 993)
@Landotter1 Sorry you´re wrong: Type-One engines stopped at 1584cm³. That´s the 1,6l flat-four. Type-Four are no Porsche Engines, but have been fitted in the 912. (looks like an ´70th aircooled 911) From that view, this 912 is more likely a flat beetle, than a Porsche.
@AYEcorolla Wrong: There are no flatfour Type-ONE capable to deliver 700HP. Maybe nitro-fueled - for some sconds. On this technical help, every other simple engin would be able to deliver easily 100-200% more power. Don´t be so stupid, to compare uncomparable technical concepts.
@Landotter1 type 1 can go up 3.000 ccm - i would not recommend that. Type 4 came up from late 411, 912 Porsche & Busses. The difference is in design of cylinderheads & cams & crank bearing. For Inflight use: Better use a properly build up 914 UL - 4 Cyl. Turbo 115 hp Rotax Engin.
yes! finally a car guy on youtube who gets it! i always get some clown telling me that new cars are faster and more efficient and better for the environment. maybe so but its a machine not a video game. i dont wanna fix it on a screen.
Exactly. I just got rid of my Audi A8 Quattro for this reason. It made 400hp, all wheel drive, did over 300km/h etc etc...but I couldnt do a damn thing to it. Something goes wrong...plug in my laptop....hated that crap. Bring on a 45hp Beetle please.
Nice VW man ! I used to run a similar setup back in the day , so much like a type 4 , scat supercase , superflo or dinasaur heads , it sounds healthy .looks like Hilborn injection on alcohol , nice ... Funny the guys standing on it to keep it down .
@Landotter1 Don´t compare uncomparable. We´re talking about car engines fitted in normal VWs. There are a lot generator / pumpengines fitted with the ac VW flatfours also - uncountable. Type One for cars stopped with 1584cm³ - trust me.
definitely not ideal for a daily. id run an 8 pass cooler and the stock upright cooler with the stock fan. i swear by using all of the original tins on a street motor. just has to be there to keep it cool.
I live in So cal, and it sucks I don't get to see very many of these anymore, way to keep them running. Hopefully one day i'll come up with extra money to restore a old school VW and build an engine such as that.
@freeclimb64 Welp.... You can contact the KC Dawn Patrol and ask them if they are using type one engines or not... Well, they are. But, you should go see for yourself and then,,, I'll have my apology but ANYWAY.......
@freeclimb64 Rotax are good engines but have 2 huge problems. 1. low TBO and 2. High priced. Many people have been using, with great success, VW engines for 40+ years. Thanks for your post!!! :-D
@hunterziegelmann happened to a friend of mine way back but honestly i'm not an expert on vw's took his word on it they had solid engines could run them into the ground and keep going
@420witchdoctor You´re wrong - no 911 was ever build with less than 6 cylinders. The 912 (build for a short, unsuccesful time) was fitted with a 4-cylinder. Get schooled yourself ;-)
alot of drag bugs dont use a fan. they do their pass and shut it off and get towed back to pit lane afterwards. alot of them dont run an alternator or generator either.
ONe evil sounding bug, takes me back to the days I worked for Dean Lowery. I finally got over bugs when I sold my 69 Ghia, the engines sure are gettin large.
I like beetles with normal, original engines. But I can't help smiling when I see a beetle like the one in the film doing the quarter mile faster than a Ferrari.
That whole setup for just 212hp? >_> I have nothing against the Beetle, but wouldn't a TDI produce higher power while getting more MPG with less effort?
102.36mm is a 4.03" chevy piston. I made the cylinders from cast iron hollow bar. These piston were actually made by Ross Pistons for a supercharged 350, but I cut notches into them for valve clearance, and use them normally aspirated. They are a little heavy, but seal well up to my 8400 rpm limiter.
There was a production line of Porsche 4 cylinder DOHC engines. One of which was the 1.5L DOHC type 547 fitted to the Le Mans coupes and then the 718 or RS60. Another was the 2.0L DOHC 356 Carrera engine. Also..... it is a drag racing engine, it has had the fan shroud and all of the cooling tin removed, unnecessary weight on a drag car.
Cheers mate. I've had all the twin turbos, and V8s, and solar panels in the sunroof, and motec fuel injection etc etc Sure they go fast and run smooth...but for genuine soul and spirit in a machine nothing beats real steel and rust with a carby and points purring away. Theres more to cars than looking "awesome" and going fast.
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so cool!!!!!!!
@freeclimb64 Bro... I ain't gonna argue with you... Look up K C Dawn Patrol dot org and see that they are still using VW engines, with great success. Volksplane used them too, thus "Volks" Rotax are just too expensive, otherwise, there are many who would be using them... I'm IN aviation bro. I know.... The boys that build the planes I refer to use 2200CC type 1 engines... look for yourself.... before you go calling me wrong....
@freeclimb64
1. Subaru makes flat fours too bub.
2. So what, those tins were NOT made by Volkswagen, they are ALL aftermarket. That makes the fact that they LOOK like Porsche engines totally irrelevant, because they are STILL not.
3. Tell you what- post a vid of one that isn't totally hacked to shit. I have seen beautifully done 1302/1303 Supers with huge ass type fours in them, never have I seen the flat 6 in one.
Also, Porsche DID make a DOHC flat four. VERY limited number for the 356
@csimvwtnt The title says it is a type 1 engine. I thought type 1 engines stopped at 2300CC and Porsche engines were type 4 but I don't know what their displacement range is.. 2715CC for a type 1 engine seems like an awful lot of displacement, but I'm not a VW expert either. I just haven't seen such a large type 1. Love to have one. I'd put it into a plane. Hell, I could hang on the prop with that engine!!! woo-hoo!!!
4. ACVW Type ONE engines (Beetle) have pushed more then 700hp through them. I have YET to see an AC Porsche engine do that.
5. You can make that thing street legal, but making it STREETABLE is a different story. Something like this bug is a handful to drive.
6. This VW runs probably mid to low 11s. A VW that runs those speeds is about as hard to drive as a 9 second V8.
7. About everything I said: Don't try to prove me wrong on this. I know my shit. I know when someone doesn't.
To clear up some stupid shit:
1. Some 356s did use an engine similar to the type 1, some didn't. They had DOHC 356s, this car here is OHV.
2. There is no such thing technically as a Porsche AC 4 banger, those were VW engines taken from the 411/412 series. They were put into the 912 and 914, but they are STILL VW engines.
3. I always hear people saying OHH its got a porsche engine. NO. I have NEVER seen a Porsche engine in a beetle. (IAW statement 2, they would be a 6 banger)
@AYEcorolla
0.) read - think - post only if wise & necessary
1.) we´re talking about VW flatfour - don´t mix
2.) they´re commonly named Porsche-Engins, because of their look - nothing else
3.) search yourself with 911 Käfer or 911 beetle - you´ll see ;-)
The rear has to be streched - ruins the shape of the classic silhoutte
4.) If ever - Some experimental DOHC do not matter. There was no production line ever
@AYEcorolla
Sorry to clear yout (stupid) comment.
1.No flatfour was ever build with DOHC.
All flatfours have only ONE camshaft placed directly below crankschaft,
right in the middle of the crankcase.
The valves are opened via (really long) push rods
2. they look like AC-"Porsche-Engins" because they´re fitted with 911 generator, 911 Cooling-Fan and customizes doghouse. OK?
3.There are several flat-six on the roads - even her in germany,
where it´s pretty difficult to get them street-legal.
Cheers thats what I thought mate, I have seen electric fan setups that replace the belt driven fan and shroud. Neat little ones that just to feed the barrels cool air, not sure about the oil cooler, probably running a large square cooler with a thermo fan at that level of performance ...either way, not ideal for a daily driven beast :)
@insane320 No. That's because of people installing fuel filters in the wrong area, or not replacing bad fuel lines. As most people who own an old VW work on them themselves. They get everything running good and neglect maintainence.Also they are pretty easy to Jerry rig to get home and it leads to shauty work.
The engine is 2715cc and based on an aftermarket type 1 block. The head studs were moved out o fit 102.36mm pistons, and it uses a 82.5mm chank that i made from a chunk of 4340 bar. It has a roller cam shaft, and Pauter heads with mechanical injection on methanol(13:1 compression) The car weighs 810kg and has run as quick as 10.93@122mph
@Bigbully0110
Pretty easy: Buy some Bug parts and complete an engine.
Around 2k$ you´ll get 100Hp
Around 3k§ you´ll get 120HP
and so on.
It´s pretty easy & affordable to power up a Bug flat-four.
I got me one at highschool, changed to 1835ccm, added 269° camshaft, 44 cylinderheads and got around 95HP.
Lot of music for a 800kg Beetle.
People bag out VW for getting low power figures, completely forgetting early V8s around the same age like Flatheads made 75-125hp with more than 3x the capacity. A standard beetle making 40-70hp isnt bad for the day in a non-sports model, and neither is 212hp now!
4.) Not completely true. Fuhrmann's Typ 547 a.k.a the "drawer engine" has been in production at Porsche (although, admittedly, in small series) from around 1954, ending up in officially sold street legal 550/550A Spyders, 356 GS Carreras and so on, other than race cars.
well actualy he did.. , he wanted a cheap car for the people. (volk) car..(wagen) and together with Ferdinand porsche he created the volkswagen, .. at first the car was called KdF-Wagen but because of its looks (the roundings) people gave it the name beetle.. like the insect..
@freeclimb64 yeah u are right but it as long as i was aircooled (993 was the last model to have that engine) it was actually the engine from the 60ies. although it's still almost the same engine.
i was just talking about the early aircooled models (as said till 993)
@Landotter1
Sorry you´re wrong:
Type-One engines stopped at 1584cm³. That´s the 1,6l flat-four.
Type-Four are no Porsche Engines, but have been fitted in the 912.
(looks like an ´70th aircooled 911)
From that view, this 912 is more likely a flat beetle, than a Porsche.
@AYEcorolla
Wrong:
There are no flatfour Type-ONE capable to deliver 700HP.
Maybe nitro-fueled - for some sconds.
On this technical help, every other simple engin would be able to deliver easily 100-200% more power.
Don´t be so stupid, to compare uncomparable technical concepts.
@Landotter1
type 1 can go up 3.000 ccm - i would not recommend that.
Type 4 came up from late 411, 912 Porsche & Busses.
The difference is in design of cylinderheads & cams & crank bearing.
For Inflight use: Better use a properly build up 914 UL - 4 Cyl. Turbo 115 hp Rotax Engin.
yes! finally a car guy on youtube who gets it! i always get some clown telling me that new cars are faster and more efficient and better for the environment. maybe so but its a machine not a video game. i dont wanna fix it on a screen.
Exactly. I just got rid of my Audi A8 Quattro for this reason. It made 400hp, all wheel drive, did over 300km/h etc etc...but I couldnt do a damn thing to it. Something goes wrong...plug in my laptop....hated that crap. Bring on a 45hp Beetle please.
Nice VW man ! I used to run a similar setup back in the day , so much like a type 4 , scat supercase , superflo or dinasaur heads , it sounds healthy .looks like Hilborn injection on alcohol , nice ... Funny the guys standing on it to keep it down .
@Landotter1
Don´t compare uncomparable.
We´re talking about car engines fitted in normal VWs.
There are a lot generator / pumpengines fitted with the ac VW flatfours also - uncountable.
Type One for cars stopped with 1584cm³ - trust me.
definitely not ideal for a daily. id run an 8 pass cooler and the stock upright cooler with the stock fan. i swear by using all of the original tins on a street motor. just has to be there to keep it cool.
I live in So cal, and it sucks I don't get to see very many of these anymore, way to keep them running. Hopefully one day i'll come up with extra money to restore a old school VW and build an engine such as that.
@freeclimb64 Welp.... You can contact the KC Dawn Patrol and ask them if they are using type one engines or not... Well, they are. But, you should go see for yourself and then,,, I'll have my apology but ANYWAY.......
@freeclimb64 Rotax are good engines but have 2 huge problems. 1. low TBO and 2. High priced. Many people have been using, with great success, VW engines for 40+ years. Thanks for your post!!! :-D
@hunterziegelmann happened to a friend of mine way back but honestly i'm not an expert on vw's took his word on it they had solid engines could run them into the ground and keep going
@420witchdoctor
You´re wrong - no 911 was ever build with less than 6 cylinders.
The 912 (build for a short, unsuccesful time) was fitted with a 4-cylinder.
Get schooled yourself ;-)
alot of drag bugs dont use a fan. they do their pass and shut it off and get towed back to pit lane afterwards. alot of them dont run an alternator or generator either.
ONe evil sounding bug, takes me back to the days I worked for Dean Lowery. I finally got over bugs when I sold my 69 Ghia, the engines sure are gettin large.
I like beetles with normal, original engines. But I can't help smiling when I see a beetle like the one in the film doing the quarter mile faster than a Ferrari.
Sounds good. Yeah only takes one missing or mis-aligned piece of tin to make a difference. Best left how it was designed :) ...maybe with a few mods.
That whole setup for just 212hp? >_> I have nothing against the Beetle, but wouldn't a TDI produce higher power while getting more MPG with less effort?
I often see "drag" beetle setups with no noticeable fan shroud...how are these things being cooled? Just passively off moving air and short run times?
@AYEcorolla
Search in TH-cam: "beetle with porsche 2.7"
And calm down, looks like you´re better placed in your chintzy, japanese corolla.
;-)
Looks like a scat engine case, I'm shure there is just a hand full of parts left in that engine that fit in a vw Type 1. Nice craftsmanship!
dont worry its not a watercooled v8 with an unreal amount of bullshit on it. it's an aircooled vw made to withstand high rpm and high heat.
i use cylinders from deutz magirus, machine the block and heads...104mm. 46/40 valves..chev pistons....startup in a week..cant wait!!
you forgotten one thing, the vw aircooled was earlier born than the subaru so subaru has the hole ait-cooled boxer thing from vw
They certainly knew best, so I agree. Best to just assist the original design. New cars have nothing on this old steel.
not with 50 year old technology. numbers dont mean shit compared to how it feels to drive it. especially in old cars.
im not sure...but it looks like the header is making contact with the floor.
I'm probably wrong but I was just curious
@420witchdoctor Its says Type1 vw engine in the description, and porsche 911's have a 6 cylinders not 4.
the bug awsome man but hitler ain't got nothing to do with vw's man not cool
@Bigbully0110 Not you. I am talking about the people in the Porsche arguement
Did Dave Bonbright build that motor?
@freeclimb64
Red Baron. Look it up.
Look up Paradise VW also..
@dangerousVW you MADE the crank? *Stands and claps* nice job.
212 HP "with various problems" lol nice Awesome little car :)
@Bigbully0110 its just i highly modified bug engine i think
@surfpangea um never heard of a 944 eh?
@guitarplayer0007
Wrong: Used till today - watercooled.
the best arguments stem from this users videos, priceless
damn straight. do it mechanically or dont do it at all.
Where Can i Buy One of Them Engines Do U sell Engines ??
@dangerousVW 102?! are they from a type 4 or vanagon?
@420witchdoctor they never made a aircooled 2.2 so no
Pauter parts ?? Amazing engine
If the header wasnt on the floor it might hook up.
@aircooledvw62 is that why vw buses burn up easy?
@Leowen2 No that is in the back of the car.
@Bigbully0110 .... check out 4inbore.com!
@Bigbully0110 type 4.
They are NOT cheap.
you can build one, but it wont be cheap
@surfpangea or a 924?
mamma mia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
are those vw u tune up street legal?
They never last long like this...
2715cc engine ??? From what car ??
Sounds good. What size crank and pistons are you runing?
David dangerous dave is from australia and you are looking at a 2.7ltr pauter engine
Looks like an old Porche motor.
Best engine design in history!
@AYEcorolla
they are cheap.
i need that engine! good fun!
@predator5723 that one isnt
isnt that a Porsche engine?
Isto é uma grande máquina.
@Bigbully0110 build it.
102.36mm is a 4.03" chevy piston. I made the cylinders from cast iron hollow bar. These piston were actually made by Ross Pistons for a supercharged 350, but I cut notches into them for valve clearance, and use them normally aspirated. They are a little heavy, but seal well up to my 8400 rpm limiter.
There was a production line of Porsche 4 cylinder DOHC engines. One of which was the 1.5L DOHC type 547 fitted to the Le Mans coupes and then the 718 or RS60. Another was the 2.0L DOHC 356 Carrera engine.
Also..... it is a drag racing engine, it has had the fan shroud and all of the cooling tin removed, unnecessary weight on a drag car.
Cheers mate. I've had all the twin turbos, and V8s, and solar panels in the sunroof, and motec fuel injection etc etc Sure they go fast and run smooth...but for genuine soul and spirit in a machine nothing beats real steel and rust with a carby and points purring away. Theres more to cars than looking "awesome" and going fast.
@Leowen2
EPIC FAIL
Find the water....
fucking insane
mods are best added to assist the stock equipment. simple and extremely functional. i love these old cars.
Haha, I like how they had to have two guys stand on the sides to prevent wheel hop (most likely). Nice video and insane car.
cool 😲
is that an original type 4 block? what bore and stroke is used? amazing engine!
Herbie the love bug would still go faster.
MARAVILHOSO FUSCA !!!
Big bully, I would be willing to bet, this little bug would WALK anything you got! These little shits practically EXPLODE out of the hole!