Moving to Japan later in your 40s and 50s. This may help you decide what is best for you.
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- There has been a lot of interest from people wishing to move to Japan lately. I thought i should weigh in on this and hopefully provide some good information for people considering the move.
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Early next year i plan to expand my rural Japan cafe to include rescuing stray cats in my area to turn it into a unique Cat Cafe. Any help is very much appreciated.
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Early next year i plan to expand my rural Japan cafe to include rescuing stray cats in my area to turn it into a unique Cat Cafe. Any help is very much appreciated.
www.buymeacoffee.com/realruraljapan
We have many cat cafes here in Thailand. I have a cat and love felines but I have mixed emotions about cat cafes.
As for teaching English nearly every school in Asia is short of qualified native English teachers. I should know because I'm a teacher here in Asia. We are in high demand. Our school has been searching for more native English teachers for several years. As for your statement about "we are foreigners so we're not guaranteed anything" is spot on.
thanks for all the info you shared here.....the content here is definitely real talk...no sugar coating
I feel like i just have to say, please don't let the negative responses discourage you! As a 20 year old guy from Germany who is really interested in Japanese culture, your videos have been absolutely invaluable to find information about how life in Japan can be like when you actually make a real effort to assimilate.
I have found out so much about living in Japan through your videos, from the way socializing is done by joining specific clubs and the concept of "friendship bubbles" that never cross, which really conceptualized much criticism of social life in Japan i have seen by other foreigners, to your akiya buying guide which i feel gave me a much more realistic outlook on how owning a home could be achieved, as well as how differently Japanese people view this process.
For all this and more, i want to express my heartfelt Gratitude! So thank you very much!
Totally agree with the 20yo German. I know many channels about Japan but almost all of them are 20-40y old youtuber or twitch streamer who can not avoid living in kind of a foreigner bubble in Japan. So the information you give is really unique and valuable.
You might think it's boring but to people like me your information is invaluable! I know I appreciate it very much!
yup😊
Boring = informative and helpful. Thanks so much.
Interesting information and insight. I passed my engineering licensure exam in the US, and I'm exploring job options in Japan. Your channel is very informative, and I appreciate your 'ground floor' perspective! 👍
Best of luck!
Thanks for the video and all the advice!
Thank you again for an excellent Video.
Im 56 and have every disire to live in Japan. I make no illusion that its going to be easy, but the pull of the place is really strong. I have no idea when of how its gonna happen.
You better learn Japanese, otherwise, it will be very frustrating living in Japan. Only Japanese contracts have legal holding.
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Even with no Japanese you can just pay someone for 1 hours work to translate with your lawyer. This is so simple no need to be a Japanese language scholar to get anything done here.
@RealRuralJapan yes, but it can get expensive when first moving to Japan, and in rural Japan, not many will speak English. Sure, apps can help, but you won't be a tourist anymore. Quality of life improves when you know the local language.
@kyotoben720
How many contracts are you going to sign? 1 to buy a house and another if you get a job offer perhaps. It is not like it is expensive to hire a translator for an hour or two for these important things. If you are moving to Japan and then getting stingy or haven't allocated in your budget a few hundred dollars for a translator things have already gone pear shaped. Language will come with time and language will come when you are involved in the community and meet people. This is not as important as finding the right area not even close.
@@RealRuralJapan that’s great advice and 100% agreed. I think that people underestimate the importance of becoming integrated into a community versus the importance of seeming fluent. I don’t have the experience you have, but I have some…and you’ll get far further with the Japanese people with earnest involvement in the community, even with broken Japanese, than you will by being someone with perfect diction and a lack of cultural understanding.
Between technology and paying for specialized assistance, language is quickly becoming the smallest hurdle of them all. One should learn Japanese for the love of it and because it makes your relationships stronger, not because it will help in some niche negotiations you might do rarely.
Everyday I'm asking myself the same question : "how could I make a honest living in Japan that would be useful to the Japanese people and profitable for me?" This video was very informative and hatched an idea in my mind to explore. Thank you very much.
Hope you do well!
Cheers for your videos mate! I'm 24 and moving to Japan in July, looking forward to it!
Hey man, thank you so much for all the shout-outs in this video! You've always got such great advice. Evan and I agree with everything you're saying in this one. Taking some time to sit with a cup of coffee this morning and catch up on your videos :)
No need to thank me you guys rock!
Best video yet. I agree with every point you’ve made. The Benton’s blog site is great, they give full breakdowns of the process of the startup visa to resident visa. They recently got their 1 year residency visa. The guesthouse business is cool. The restoration of their 5 little fields is really cool.
The Start-Up Visa is also only good for one year. So you need to prove every year that your business is making money. I think you can ask for a 3 year or even a 5 year visa when everything is looking good. And you need money upfront and one employee.
I believe the amount you need is 50k USD in a Japanese bank.
Rural area may be difficult, because of low foot traffic. However, you can live in a small city in one of the prefectures and open a business in a city with a lot of foot traffic.
I plan to retire and buy a small home in Neyagawa shi, but open a small Photography study/art store in Osaka with my wife.
Japan sounds like a rock-hard place to choose, in all honesty, even with the Japanese government opening more visa-schemes it will still be a challenge for people to come to, and on the other hand, not easy for the government to get high quality people in at the rates they're aiming for. That said, it is a country with quality in the people and in a turbulent world that sort of value might be worth more than the colour of money?
One thing I've noticed with learning Japanese, is the level of the digital tools available now is prodigious in quality: You can cover all the core bases and find a software tool/app that takes care of that along with the online tuition options. So on the flip-side, teaching English might be harder to find jobs but learning the language for people coming to Japan is more accessible, if the time is put in.
Your deep level of expertise and common sense is greatly appreciated.
Thanks for the kind words
Hey bloke, shiver me timbers I love your videos mate. Please keep making these and put another shrimp on the barbie, much love from australia
I spent decades working in NYC and Los Angeles. And recently moved to CT to where my little old mother retired. We’ve got two homes a block from Long Island Sound. I used to come up here in summer as a child. And I just looked around online for local apiary operations. There’s several all within 20 miles. I’m going to go visit them and see what I can learn. I’ll film it with my old iPhone 11 that I just added the Blackmagic camera app to. I have a good friend in New Jersey a couple hours away that knows all about bee farming. Just put a call in. I like this idea. And if the bees do well here on the Connecticut coast they’ll do well from Nagano to Omishima.
Thanks for the information. I turn 40 this year and My wife and I are working to set a 4-5 year goal of moving to Japan!
Good luck!
Valuable gold nuggets. Thanks. More please especially in this niche 40s - 50s, in rural area and living type of lifestyle similar to yours.
More to come down the track for sure i like to mix my content up so there something for everyone.
My daily dose of life advice of living in Japan. I do US taxes from Narita Japan, which is not as inaka as wherever you are driving. I agree with virtually all the things you say on your drives.
Thanks for that, very informative & that end for the 8ters was a nice one 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'm glad you mentioned how important it is to be realistic about salary income in Japan.
45 and looking to move there within the next 5 years. I am pretty excited about the remote worker visa because it will give me an opportunity to find where I am most comfortable, and hopefully find a good akiya to buy. It will also hopefully allow me to figure out a good business to start to get a startup visa. I just found your channel and subscribed, this is invaluable information for me, thank you!
Cheers glad you like the videos.
Great thoughts
This is the best time to use the startup visa. As it changes to the entrepreneur visa. And the digital nomad visa is cool as well.
Australians have created an ecosystem of ski resorts in Niseko.
It takes such big vision and planning for foreigners to settle in Japan.
Since Japan has a large U.S. military presence, the idea of attracting those veterans to Japan and creating a retirement ecosystem could be an idea.
Another path is agriculture.
The idea is to exhibit the products at ``MICHI NO EKI (Roadside Station)'' and have them featured on TV, radio, and newspapers.
Thanks for an informed and nuanced discussion of long-term visas. Looked up the different visa types listed on the MofA site, then followed the links for specific types. Interesting the different types of economic activities different prefectures and municipalities are accepting for possible start-up applications. As is typical for Japanese bureaucracy, lots of hurdles to pass through.
If you don't mind sharing, what type of visa did you enter Japan with? I'm going with the Spouse/Child of Japanese National route when the time comes.
It is up to the individual now is the way i see it!
Thank you very much for all the info and opinions you have been expressing in this video. I'm your newest biggest fan. I am also in my fifties just turned last week and moved to Japan almost 3 years ago. All your points about what to do and things to be careful about is point on. I'm an English teacher assist not by choice but the only viable option I have here. Because of my age I'm getting discriminated every time I apply for a job and don't even get a chance for an interview here. My resume is okay and have had a stable job here for the past 2 years here. My past job in America was nearly 30 years with many titles and experiences in the tourism industry. It means nothing here. As you said you can't instill anything here based on your own values, only what the company determines even if it's all in good will. I own 2 houses lol which was a bad move to make when moving here but as you said in this video at least I don't have to worry about losing the house since it's all paid off. English jobs are abundant but not everyone can do it or if it's available near your residence. Most of the pay sucks here in Japan , so that's good advice that you expressed. I'm worried about starting a Cafe like you because being a foreigner they might make up things to destroy my restaurant even though it might have delicious food. I here stories like that from others. Moving here if you are young might be adventurous but hard work and torture is a guarantee here.
Cheers. If a foreigner has told you that their cafe shut because of this, they are lying. 80% of cafes close around the world in the first year and only 10% survive 3 years. If you haven't had at least 15 years' experience in a kitchen and owned a hospitality business before don't do it. People casually say i might open a cafe like it is the easiest business in the world. It is actually the hardest business in the world and the stats back this up.
You are right again I'm sure. Opening a Cafe sounds easy but it's all hard work. Working for someone here is also hard work. Tough decision to do here. Thanks again for the input. Respect
Thanks. I'm in my mid 40s and my wife is Japanese from Ibaraki. We are not staying in Japan now but it is likely our eventual destination once we retire. But we are thinking a closer to a city is better.
It is a good place to retire here.
The startup visa is very difficult to get. Even if you have the specialized training in these niche industries (AI, biotech, etc) your startup needs to already have some clients in the west and money coming in, before they even consider you. To be honest a traditional business like a restaurant is a much safer bet. With that you can get the business manager visa.
The Benton’s are farming honey and farming that’s not niche nor high tech.
Age does not matter. It's the willingness to adopt and adapt to a different culture. Can still be yourself but be mindful of the locals.
Yep
My little brother wants to live in Japan. I think he currently plans to try to move there as soon as he gets his electrical engineering degree. I think it'll be much more of a challenge for him. I've talked to him and given him a bit of a reality check, and he plans to pay more attention to the sorts of visas that certain jobs could get him. He doesn't want to get kicked out after 5 short years, after all.
I'm personally considering working in Japan as a civvie engineer in the US army. Japan does seem like a great place to live, but I want to experience the bureaucracy and decide if I could do it for the rest of my life. Either way, I want to hit n2 Japanese and get 10 years of experience in my current field before I try working over there. I'm planning to test for n3 this December.
Or maybe I'll just make yearly trips to Japan forever. Who knows what the future holds.
The diversification component is extremely smart. I totally agree.
The startup visa can be an imperfect path in it's own right. You are expected to move into a business manager visa pretty quickly, which comes with it alot of scrutiny from immigration. You may have a plan for long term gains, but if you cant get short term gains instead you risk a denied renewal, and end of both your business and time in Japan.
Of course, and i said it in the video too. You have a background stress in your business in this regard. I also said this is preferable to one that really has no path at all and at least in this way you have some control over your destiny and not just some office worker deciding they no longer need you. There is no easy meal ticket here something else i also said.
38, learning to weld, butchery skills, I manage and maintain an Airbnb, can build computers, and speak basic Japanese. I have been there 3 times and the last trip was a 3 month trip.
I dream about Japan all the time. Moving there and buying land and a home are something I would love to do. Buying a home in the US seems out of reach.
Your channel is such an invaluable resource! My fiance and I live in Sydney, but we are tired of the rat race and ridiculous prices of this city.
Weve been to Japan and absolutely love it - and our dream when our kids are a bit older is to move to the rural countryside and live a more slow and peaceful life thats more self sufficient.
Thank you for all the videos!
No worries glad you like them.
I agree. Honey is an excellent product. I’ve been watching the Benton channel’s content, specifically the videos pertaining to bees, restoration of fields, the beach, the islands. I think I really like the Sato Sea. My good friend lives in Kagoshima, at the end of the world (but not far from the islands where the Bentons landed. Imibari has got it figured out for getting people in on the startup visa. I think Kobe and even Shibuya for cities as well. Maybe a gallery? Espresso shop? A shop selling honey from the Bentons, among other items? My own apiary? I’m open to suggestions. I have done a lot of different things in my life.
You architects are creative now you need the engineers to tell you what is feasible!
Just kidding! Get on the ground and see what is what and then go from there.
If you can score some of their honey you could add honey joys (maybe need to find a substitute for corn flakes?) to your menu :)
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12:00-ish wow....rush hour in nagano! what a back up! >
If you live in rural Japan, you will need some level of Japanese to get by. Buying a house, renting an apartment, setting up a busy, etc, all have certain levels of bureaucracy that have to be navigated. English teaching is about all that's going in the countryside, although I have known some to start their own bars. being married to a Japanese national will help getting through a lot of the red tape. Japan's population is in decline, so slowly but surely more immigration will be required and hence the re-cycling of empty houses may become more common.
Buying an existing house and making it suitable either to sell or rent out helps in several ways. First, a derelict house that no one wants because it's illegal or unappealing ruins the value of neighborhood it's in and creates unsafe conditions. An investor coming by to take the risk, through time and capital, to acquire a house and fix it up to where it's legal and desirable creates a plethora of positive ripple effects: loans spur banking activity, contract work help local businesses, the house value increasing also increases the value of surrounding homes, it makes efficient use of the land the home is on, and lastly, and perhaps most importantly, it gives someone a home--if the rehab job was done adequately, at least.
Just some thoughts. But yea, I agree that's probably not high on Japan's desire list given it's shrinking population in rural areas. But the incentives for this are built into the homes themselves. Japan allows foreigners to buy them and the prices are low.
Very true what you say but far from the best use of capital. The rentier class by and large are parasitic to communities and eventually drive people out when they want to cash in at the end. This is probably inevitable but it sad what this sort of investment has done to thriving communities around the world. Communities are far less cohesive because they are seen as money makers for those that don't live there.
@@RealRuralJapan agreed. The negative aspect of landlording is that it sets up a serf/lord class. It’s why here in the U.S. housing costs have exploded; giant management companies have bought up residential properties to rent, and so people get forced into renting where they have to work. Also, people start to treat homes as basically big apartments, with no attachment to the area.
Because these large corporations can afford to take many years to recoup their initial investment, they get the first tenants to pay the investment off and then some, basically funneling wealth from many renters to an individual landlord. Then they sell off to double up their wealth. Parasitic is the perfect description of rent-seeking behavior.
It would be an interesting experiment to do a rental arrangement where tenants earned some percentage of “stock” in a home as they paid into the place, so that upon sale or future rental, they too could see a return on the investment. IE, for each year you live there, you get 1% stake in the value of the home or whatever, up to some maximum amount. If the home is sold, a tenant(s) is paid out from the sale. The property owner could also agree to buy those earned shares back at the end of a rental agreement.
This was a wonderful video. But it got me thinking, let's say I have a passion or a skill such as bread making and I want to move to Japan on the startup visa. What's it look like actually setting up the business do I have to be in one level to complete all the necessary paperwork? What do I have to pay in taxes? How can I find this information?
Check out the Benton Homestead Channel and their blog they have the best information.
@RealRuralJapan Thank you, I'll check them out! I really appreciate your honest, genuine advice.
Maybe I missed it in the video, but one point that would've helped, is how much English/Japanese do you need to run a business in Japan? Especially in the rural area, where people don't speak as much English as in big cities.
Keep it up! 頑張ってね！
What type of business? Are you talking a cafe? or something that requires in depth knowledge and communication like an architect? My Japanese is not very good but i can take orders, answer the phone understand most of everything and as long as the vocabulary is not too advanced i manage. You don't need to be talking astro physics to everyone you meet. People sweat this too much. Be yourself and people will be accommodating with the way they talk to you. I don't use complicated English with foreigners who i really wish to communicate with because it defeats the point.
Cafe is a good example, but architect as well. I have an IT/AI background and I do need a lot of English for them. Not advanced vocabulary, but a lot. Is this the same with Japanese?
I have no idea about that industry i am just a chef. Try to talk with those who know.
I'm a software developer. So if the business doesn't earn that much money ( main income coming from a remote software engineering job ) but only acts as a way to get a residence visa, will that matter ?
Or could I start a software firm, bill my employer as a client ?
Or may be use my apps under a startup that makes apps ?
No idea but guys like you are sort after.
Great content! Thank you. Thoughts on a 60 yr old, 4th generation Jpnse-American moving to Japan and assimilating into the culture? I understand and speak words so my language skills are not great. Locals speak to me in Jpnse due to looks. Does this help or hinder in your opinion?
Which locals in Japan? Every place is different especially rural areas. In the large cities nobody tends to speak to anyone anyway and most don't even know who lives in their apartment building. As for looks they will know you are a foreigner just by your mannerisms and the way you move your hands. No different to knowing straightaway if someone is native born American or a recent arrival.
@@RealRuralJapan Yes for sure! It has happened tho a few times outside of Tokyo… Aomori, Niigata, Kanazawa i.e.
Benton's Homestead. Got it.
It seems it all boils down to real estate speculation, b&b, some kind of agricultural startup business, and avoiding working for someone else, if possible.
What about those working remotely?
I can work from anywhere in the world, but that doesn't mean I can move permanently to any country.
I wouldn't work for a Japanese company, nor I would run a local business (*).
However, I'm not technically an employee either. For my current country, I'm a freelancer, I issue an invoice every month, and I pay my taxes.
Does it work the same in Japan? Would that make me eligible to apply for a permanent visa?
Assuming I'm getting a fair salary (for an European), would be rural Japan be liveable?
A fair European salary you would live well in rural Japan.
I currently have an air b&b in the states. This might be the way to go with the startup.
I have a job that is fully remote in the design industry; I'm interested in moving to Japan with my family and then perhaps starting a side business related to design in Japan and/or teaching at a Japanese University about designing for a western audience (25+ years in the field). Unsure yet how to present that yet as a plan, but wondering if you have any insight into how teaching in Japan (not English, but as a subject-matter expert) is seen by the Japanese. I do speak some Japanese (just N5, progressing towards N4), and I am learning more.
Whenever you teach anything no matter what it is and how good you are at it the hard part is that often your customers the students are broke. Art, design and all that kind of stuff seems to me to be a field where everyone who studies it is flat broke as in probably don't have the train money to get there let alone pay for anything. This could be probably a lucrative thing i have no idea but looks risky.
@@RealRuralJapan was thinking more at a university or as an adjunct prof, if they have those. Agree that doing it as a biz with clients would be unlikely to work.
They have their own probably with similar experience so unless you are at the very top of the game it would be difficult.
@@done.6191 Hard to get a university job, if you are older. I met a couple of people that taught cooking in English. They did well. Why not teach design online? Get a part-time job teaching English locally so you can meet people and learn more about the culture?
@@davidalger5625 interesting! In the U.S., university professor is one of the few remaining jobs where being older is a positive. RE English teaching, I’ve taught English to Japanese students in college, and have been a student of Japanese culture for the past 30 years or so, albeit mostly through friends in the U.S., books, activities etc…my only on-the-ground time in Japan is just a few weeks over the decades. Being there and living there is a whole other animal :).
Certainly I can do the adjunct prof thing via online schools, and will likely pursue that route as well.
Re artists being broke, this is often true, but not always true. For me, I’m not at the top of the game like a Jonny Ive etc, but am near the top end as far as salary in my industry :). The key element that experienced art teachers have isn’t in teaching how to use the tools (that’s craft and vocational) but more in helping people learn an aesthetic sixth sense for what right looks like, and this is valuable, but admittedly to a small subset of serious students.
All that said, it could also be just as lucrative to combine those skills with other endeavors…over the years I’ve had a good time doing several businesses and being able to do all my own marketing and product design has saved a lot of time and cash !
If you could do it all over again, what type of business would you start instead of a cafe? With Government support, what would interest you?
I like farming.
Ignore the haters
I didn't see a single beautiful building in this drive.
Nagano isn't known for its architecture.
@@RealRuralJapan I lived nearly 20 years in Japan so I am a bit baffled someone would want to live there at your (our!) age.
Part of me wants to go back but the truth is old foreigners are not well treated. The Japanese love beauty and younger foreigners are more beautiful. Surprise, surprise.
But there is more to it than that. I don't think they can compensate foreigners properly because they can't appreciate genius. Their artists mostly produce junk or high grade copies. The ones that get the contracts (e.g. the Olympics) aren't the best artists but simply those with the best connections.
I see corruption everywhere there. The roads are well maintained by LOCAL companies that win contracts. But the losing bids are never disclosed and outside companies are either never invited to compete or they are invited but somehow always fail.
I don't agree with all of the things you say in terms of explaining why things are the way they are. I will be more specific when I can remember and give an example. Oh, yes. I think the Japanese man is a manipulated man: the company and his wife are all trying to manipulate him to take more of his time and effort and leave him with less.
Read Givens or Bivens if his books are still available. I forget his name. It seems the salaryman is deceived into his early 30s into believing he has a great future at the company. So he gives it everything believing he is a future CEO and they get the best years of his life. Truth only hits in the 30s when promotions start to make things obvious.
Here you see why one cannot take explanations for why Japan is this way at face value: the Japanese themselves are often deceived by their own propaganda, believe the half-truths they are told from birth.
I agree with you that the foreigners who buy houses in Japan and renovate will leave a mixed legacy. They are pushing up prices and therefore keeping rents etc high. I notice it with AirBnB: that company basically leverages the difference between rental and housing costs. So rents go up and hotel rates go down.
But Japan's population is declining so the need for housing stock is also declining. The foreigners are interferring with that.
Anyways, I like your channel.
The Asian system of testing is stopping them from rolling out youtube videos as teaching content. We've had computers and video for decades, but the in-person and the gapfil still rule.
Until it doesn't.
Would you stay in Japan if your wife passed away? Are you dependent on your wife’s reading and writing/Japanese abilities?
Dependency is a state of mind. You make do with what you have my Japanese will never be as good as a native and I'm perfectly fine with this.
I would like to make viewers outside Japan realize that hospitals, tax offices, city offices, etc. require reading and writing ability. You can get by depending on others, apps, etc. but as you get older in Japan it will become an unnecessary hardship. The answer for most foreigners is leave all that to the Mrs. If you are a strong independent male who likes to be captain of your own ship, it will be challenging. It’s a honey trap, the wife does everything for you, and you are a child. You go it alone, it’s tough.
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So, someone is a child if they don't recognize every single kanji? Even native speakers don't know them all and most definitely can't understand legal contracts. I don't understand a lot of this stuff even in English. People get by even the non-scholars of the Japanese script. If someone can't work it out for themselves given the situation that's because they don't care to even try.
No, someone is a child if they need their wife’s help to read elementary school level texts. Forget about contracts. So many foreign guys in Japan cannot read or write and wouldn’t last five minutes without mum helping them with many adult tasks. Just a wake up call for those who think they can come to Japan and have wife or girlfriend support. You won’t have her respect for long nor the respect of the community. You’ll basically be a child in the family like lots of guys here. Ostracized at their own dinner table.
keep up the good work. we need to open our eyes to the darker side of life in japan
The roads confused me.
With the yen being lowest in 40 years I think for most foreigners a business visa in rural Japan would be a disaster.
If you are growing high end fruit for the Rich people in Singapore, China etc market this means it becomes cheaper for them and thus better for you. Weak Yen is not the end of the world for many people and for rural tourism they love it.
How much Japanese do you speak?
I get by and understand a reasonable amount. My speaking is pretty amateurish but it's all i got.
They need to be more comfortable of people coming in Japan and increase the population by marrying a Japanese. That would be the best industry for Japan !!!! They need kids or else in 20 years most of them would be elderly. As for working hours in my country we work 60-70 hours per week for 800 euros monthly.
Over 40 and not a lot of money , good luck on that one ...
Know any rich widows / divorcees ?
Actually, a lot of old widows are loaded in Japan!
Facts I had a couple of em 😮
Im Coming to Japan Bringing lots of Money!!!!!!!! Japan I need Fan Service Please!!!!!!!
I'm waiting for the 'middle aged useless shut-in trend'.
What’s that?
@@RealRuralJapan It's what I am. Hikikomori. Well, the western equivalent.
Great information my man. I had the pleasure of spending two nights @thebentonhomestead they are an awesome couple and have full confidence they will do well.
Me too. Great people!