No hear problem... reminds me of my dad. 😉 He is always wearing a beanie or flat cap or something with a small or no brim. And always made of strong fabric (not wool), it still hurts but, does not break the skin. My parent life in a old farmhouse with low beams and everything is restored by my parents. And my dad is alway bumping his head when working around the house. Love the videos you are making, thanks for your time making them, keep them going! I also have a home in restoration and it is a lot of work, but I love it. Thank you for inspiring!
You should insulate the cold water pipes as well. They might not freeze, but they could condensate on their own when the climate is warmer, making the floor insulation wet. Cheers!
I'm on a binge watch and loving it. Where I live (Denmark) you are not allowed to have any hidden connections. It all has to be in one unbroken line. Connections needs to be visible and accessable. This means Pex or copper pipe. Tedious but safe(r) I guess.
Not sure if I have a clear picture of what you're building, but I think you have steps down from the raised floor where the washing machine was towards the work space... ever thought about making roll-out bins under that raised floor, or possibly isolate the walls and floor of that crawl-space and use that space below the raised floor for wood storage (because you wouldn't want a draft from there into your work-space)? It just seems such a waste of good space... As long as the raised flooring isn't on you still have an easier time to do such things. Love the series, I am learning lots, so thanks. :)
Do you ever feel as if the end is never in sight... Myself and my wife are renovating our house, every room is being done. Three and a half years on and we still have a kitchen, bathroom and a front garden to to do (front garden being out dumping ground). Love your videos
I noticed you having a moment early in the video, figuring out which pipe was hot and cold for the shower. As a DIYer that hates plumbing I usually do a failsafe of wrapping a bit of red and blue electricians tape around the pipes as I go to rule out any confusion. Might help me in the future too if I have to go back and change or add something.
In Norway we just use red and blue pipes. ;) Also, we're only allowed to have joints in sealed boxes with drainage pipes in case of leaks. Outside of those all tubing must be single pieces.
@@davidcross30 I'm sure that's part of it. Beyond that though, when I first heard about it it just seemed to make a lot of sense. I mean why go out of your way to make potential problems if they can be avoided?
Andy Taylor plumbers work on there pipe work left and right so they don’t have the confusion of hot or cold pipes hot on the left and cold on the right
I use pex pipe quite a bit on bathroom fits and extension type work where they hidden mainly as can get long runs in with minimal joins (run under floor and shape up into wall not needing bend fittings is useful) and with effort joins always kept in more accessible locations, buy quality is a must with plumbing ... other advantages is no expansion creaking, better thermal properties and low condensation forming on the pipes, faster install/easier adjustments/changes Not great for everything but buy and use wisely very useful ...
Well said mate Joints should be always accessible, as we all know rubber seals Will definitely eventually fail before the house is demolished , yes some give 20 and 30 years on there fittings What’s the home owner gonna do , walk into b and q in 30 years time and say this push fit fitting has failed after 24 years and came with a 25 year guarantee and my living room is absolutely flooded lol
Those Talon clips also have standoffs that raise the pipe enough to run insulation under. They are also great for uneven walls and pipes that need to be stood off a wall. Also get yourself an air pressure test kit. Saves running water to pressure test.
You should insulate all the pipe work including the cold not to prevent it from freezing but to prevent it from warming. Natural bacteria in cold water is ineffective if the temperature remains below around 20c but nasties start happening if the cold water temperature rises above that. Any water supplies out with the "thermal envelope" of the building should be independently insulated. Also on a horizontal run of pipe work the hot should be on the top as you run the risk of the hot pipe heating the cold supply from below particularly if the pipes are not insulated if the hot is on the bottom. Cheers.
Good pointers. All the pipework effectively ends up inside the thermal envelope but we did insulate around them so should be fine. I think CH or UFH pipes near the colds would be more of an issue as there would be constant warmth there.
Pushfits do fail. I've seen it a few times. Cold feeds are ok. Its the hots. The grab rings and orings deteriorate and blow off. Normally around 5 years. But they can last longer. I personally use them as temp supplies only, so they are useful.
I would imagine this rule apples to all brands, don't reuse stop ends more than 3 times, i think they may even be useless without inserts, pop in the night, just put valves on.
I know 100% them inserts should be put on all connections, for the price of them and the hassle it could cause it's not worth not using them on everyone
You can use any push fit fitting with any plastic pipe from different manufacturers as the outer diameter of the pipe is always the same but you must use the correct insert for the chosen pipe as they do differ from each other....👍
I think it's the fact that they will not guarantee their product if you did, so on big builds perhaps more important. Like you say though with the correct insert I have used a mixture with no issues.
Just a quick heads up. I have read advice that you should always clip the cold pipe beneath the hot so that the heat from the hot cannot rise up and warm the cold water. This is to prevent Legionella.
Cheaper than hair. Which offers little protection really. Just hides the scars easier. 😂😂😂 But when you take your hard hat off to get in a tight space and you can still end up in casualty! 😂
With electrics I turn everything off. Just a precaution. Then test to check its dead. Its too easy to make a mistake ofherwise like I have done in the past. Once thought I'd turned the shower electrics off but it was on its own supply outside of the fuse box. As I'm not an electrician but an engineer I tend to just do small jobs in the house and anything else get a spark in.
Once you've had one of these things pop off and flood the place you'll never use them again and wish you had used copper pipe (speaking from experience here).
What happens in the future when the rubber seals in the push fits fail and they are buried under the floor ALL rubber perishes over time , hence why it’s common for a older tap to drip Do plastic pipes have there uses , yes Should push fit fitting be used under floor or behind plaster board ? Imo no , not unless your happy that jn 20 or 30 years time when the rubber seal fails , there is gonna be a leak
Not been a fan of Hep2O. Have never been able to successfully remove a fitting, even with the overpriced tool. The Sleeve snags on the teeth and gets stuck inside the fitting, requiting a new fitting
Peadar Meenagh I’ve had that so many times. With the clip around release key it happens less often. But you can sometimes salvage the connection by putting the pipe back in and twisting as you pull it out.
This has also happened to me with Speedfit where the insert stays in the fitting, but you can unscrew the end and remove it. You just need to make sure you refit the washers in the correct order (rubber O ring first) when you screw it back together.
Hi mate.It's seems to be you doing nice job but you don't have a clue with plumbing. Mistakes: 1-if you want to insulate the pipes then you have to use double clip which allows you to insulate the pipes 2-If you do outlets for the shower you should leave at least 1500mm pipe length because shower mixer will between 1100-1400mm high 3-You always need to put inserts before do any join no matter what it's push fit or compression.In your case you didn't put them when you got the STOP end for the shower. 3-On underfloor heating pipes you DON'T (never ever)put any joint,It's should be one length pipe. 4-Waste pipe underfloor should be a grey or black colour.In your case it's all white and I can tell you that for rats it's lunch:)
Hi Andrew thanks for comments. In response, 1 - Why do you 'have' to use a double clip when you can simply space singles. 2 - They will be taken up to 1200mm, only left short so I can get the stud wall built first. 3 - Think I said that in video and why I didn't use for the stop ends which are only one for a couple of days anyway. No joins in UFH where it is actually underfloor. 4- None of the waste is below floor as it is within insulation but good to know for the future. Fear not, the plumber is back this week so you don't have to suffer any more 'mistakes' ;-).
@@TheRestorationCouple Pretty sure you addressed all of these things in the video so I'm unsure why you received the lecture. Love the videos, it may not all be done by the book but as a fellow home renovator on a budget and doing everything myself also, you can't know it all. Jack of all trades, master of none, but still better than a master of one!
william mc grattan don't you realise that people with less hair are more advanced than you are. They are further along the evolutionary ladder so you are closer to Neanderthal man. This can also be indicated by your obviously lower IQ in bringing this up in the first place.
I do a fair bit of DIY plumbing and it's usually a fiddly but relatively dull process...tbh it doesn't make for particularly good video content shown in real time here.
I can’t believe I spend half my life fixing things and the other half watching people fix things, great vid keep it up 😎👍
ThePhilandPam 😄 Join the club. 👍🏼
@@chezzapie At least I'm not the only one then, either watching doing or videoing 😂
Too true my fellow
No hear problem... reminds me of my dad. 😉
He is always wearing a beanie or flat cap or something with a small or no brim. And always made of strong fabric (not wool), it still hurts but, does not break the skin.
My parent life in a old farmhouse with low beams and everything is restored by my parents. And my dad is alway bumping his head when working around the house.
Love the videos you are making, thanks for your time making them, keep them going!
I also have a home in restoration and it is a lot of work, but I love it. Thank you for inspiring!
Love your videos and watch them all but your plumbing tips are not up to your normal standards 😂👍👍👍👍Keep up the good work.
You should insulate the cold water pipes as well. They might not freeze, but they could condensate on their own when the climate is warmer, making the floor insulation wet. Cheers!
jhm smart tv Ahhhh, great tip, thanks.
I'm on a binge watch and loving it. Where I live (Denmark) you are not allowed to have any hidden connections. It all has to be in one unbroken line. Connections needs to be visible and accessable. This means Pex or copper pipe. Tedious but safe(r) I guess.
If u bought lay flat pipe u don’t need to used elbow. It will bend in real tidy corner. My policy is less fitting less chance of leak.
Not sure if I have a clear picture of what you're building, but I think you have steps down from the raised floor where the washing machine was towards the work space... ever thought about making roll-out bins under that raised floor, or possibly isolate the walls and floor of that crawl-space and use that space below the raised floor for wood storage (because you wouldn't want a draft from there into your work-space)? It just seems such a waste of good space... As long as the raised flooring isn't on you still have an easier time to do such things.
Love the series, I am learning lots, so thanks. :)
Do you ever feel as if the end is never in sight... Myself and my wife are renovating our house, every room is being done. Three and a half years on and we still have a kitchen, bathroom and a front garden to to do (front garden being out dumping ground).
Love your videos
I believe the insert is also to protect the O-ring from the sharp edge of the pipe too.
I noticed you having a moment early in the video, figuring out which pipe was hot and cold for the shower. As a DIYer that hates plumbing I usually do a failsafe of wrapping a bit of red and blue electricians tape around the pipes as I go to rule out any confusion. Might help me in the future too if I have to go back and change or add something.
In Norway we just use red and blue pipes. ;) Also, we're only allowed to have joints in sealed boxes with drainage pipes in case of leaks. Outside of those all tubing must be single pieces.
@@-_James_- I take it this is due to the freezing potential?
@@davidcross30 I'm sure that's part of it. Beyond that though, when I first heard about it it just seemed to make a lot of sense. I mean why go out of your way to make potential problems if they can be avoided?
Andy Taylor plumbers work on there pipe work left and right so they don’t have the confusion of hot or cold pipes hot on the left and cold on the right
I use pex pipe quite a bit on bathroom fits and extension type work where they hidden mainly as can get long runs in with minimal joins (run under floor and shape up into wall not needing bend fittings is useful) and with effort joins always kept in more accessible locations, buy quality is a must with plumbing ...
other advantages is no expansion creaking, better thermal properties and low condensation forming on the pipes, faster install/easier adjustments/changes
Not great for everything but buy and use wisely very useful ...
I like the way the Canadians crimp that stuff, looks really quick
Well said mate
Joints should be always accessible, as we all know rubber seals Will definitely eventually fail before the house is demolished , yes some give 20 and 30 years on there fittings
What’s the home owner gonna do , walk into b and q in 30 years time and say this push fit fitting has failed after 24 years and came with a 25 year guarantee and my living room is absolutely flooded lol
Those Talon clips also have standoffs that raise the pipe enough to run insulation under. They are also great for uneven walls and pipes that need to be stood off a wall. Also get yourself an air pressure test kit. Saves running water to pressure test.
Great video mate
I prefer Speedfit , they do a collet clip to prevent it coming apart. Plus its coloured which can help sometimes!
You should insulate all the pipe work including the cold not to prevent it from freezing but to prevent it from warming. Natural bacteria in cold water is ineffective if the temperature remains below around 20c but nasties start happening if the cold water temperature rises above that. Any water supplies out with the "thermal envelope" of the building should be independently insulated. Also on a horizontal run of pipe work the hot should be on the top as you run the risk of the hot pipe heating the cold supply from below particularly if the pipes are not insulated if the hot is on the bottom. Cheers.
Good pointers. All the pipework effectively ends up inside the thermal envelope but we did insulate around them so should be fine. I think CH or UFH pipes near the colds would be more of an issue as there would be constant warmth there.
Great tips, thanks.
I would have laughed at head hitting incident only I done the same yesterday. Felr for you. Love the video.
Why u didn’t fit pipe under the timber. Instead of making hole
You must have a very close relationship with Building Control. 😄
Or, isolate then add an additional iso valve and re-pressure - another valve is always welcome as plumbers are often stingy with valves I find.
Pushfits do fail. I've seen it a few times. Cold feeds are ok. Its the hots. The grab rings and orings deteriorate and blow off. Normally around 5 years. But they can last longer. I personally use them as temp supplies only, so they are useful.
I feel your pain when you knocked t your head , I've got more scar's on my head it's like a roadmap when I've got a suntan!
Ellis double clips are far better than talons, they allow far more spacing when using fittings and can also be easily cut in two.
I would imagine this rule apples to all brands, don't reuse stop ends more than 3 times, i think they may even be useless without inserts, pop in the night, just put valves on.
Always proper with copper...
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I know 100% them inserts should be put on all connections, for the price of them and the hassle it could cause it's not worth not using them on everyone
You can use any push fit fitting with any plastic pipe from different manufacturers as the outer diameter of the pipe is always the same but you must use the correct insert for the chosen pipe as they do differ from each other....👍
I think it's the fact that they will not guarantee their product if you did, so on big builds perhaps more important. Like you say though with the correct insert I have used a mixture with no issues.
Will cold stay cold or get lukewarm when its next to hot this way where you dont insulate ( near shower turn ).
I doubt it, that is the only point where they are anywhere near each other. I would guess that CH pipes near colds would be more of a problem.
The Restoration Couple :) then im gone try this , i was thinking all copper but its pretty expencive where i am.
Just a quick heads up. I have read advice that you should always clip the cold pipe beneath the hot so that the heat from the hot cannot rise up and warm the cold water. This is to prevent Legionella.
I miss my early warning system the hair too........
16:00 Always wear a safety wig
Use an adjustable pipe cutter to cut it
Hard hat!!
Cheaper than hair.
Which offers little protection really.
Just hides the scars easier. 😂😂😂
But when you take your hard hat off to get in a tight space and you can still end up in casualty! 😂
It’s the same thing with electrics I don’t under stand anyone turning power or water off ,when you can work to the power or the water supply
With electrics I turn everything off. Just a precaution. Then test to check its dead. Its too easy to make a mistake ofherwise like I have done in the past. Once thought I'd turned the shower electrics off but it was on its own supply outside of the fuse box. As I'm not an electrician but an engineer I tend to just do small jobs in the house and anything else get a spark in.
I would have used insulated coil and clipped it under tge suspended floor job done in a day and pipework protected
Once you've had one of these things pop off and flood the place you'll never use them again and wish you had used copper pipe (speaking from experience here).
What happens in the future when the rubber seals in the push fits fail and they are buried under the floor
ALL rubber perishes over time , hence why it’s common for a older tap to drip
Do plastic pipes have there uses , yes
Should push fit fitting be used under floor or behind plaster board ? Imo no , not unless your happy that jn 20 or 30 years time when the rubber seal fails , there is gonna be a leak
You said it wasn't a 'how to' video but you ended up telling people how to do it 😂
Oops!
@@TheRestorationCouple your definetly one of my favourite youtubers to watch though so I think we can let you off 😉👍
Not been a fan of Hep2O. Have never been able to successfully remove a fitting, even with the overpriced tool. The Sleeve snags on the teeth and gets stuck inside the fitting, requiting a new fitting
You sound a bit like bear grylls
Hep2o is a great fitting unless you have to demount the fitting for some reason and the pipe liner stays in the fitting! Very bad fault .
Peadar Meenagh I’ve had that so many times. With the clip around release key it happens less often. But you can sometimes salvage the connection by putting the pipe back in and twisting as you pull it out.
I'm glad I'm not the only one having that problem. I've gone back to speedfit where I haven't had the same issue
@@dom1310df
For sure it's a pain in the arse and pushing a pipe back into a fitting with a liner still in it is very bad practice.
This has also happened to me with Speedfit where the insert stays in the fitting, but you can unscrew the end and remove it. You just need to make sure you refit the washers in the correct order (rubber O ring first) when you screw it back together.
Hi mate.It's seems to be you doing nice job but you don't have a clue with plumbing.
Mistakes:
1-if you want to insulate the pipes then you have to use double clip which allows you to insulate the pipes
2-If you do outlets for the shower you should leave at least 1500mm pipe length because shower mixer will between 1100-1400mm high
3-You always need to put inserts before do any join no matter what it's push fit or compression.In your case you didn't put them when you got the STOP end for the shower.
3-On underfloor heating pipes you DON'T (never ever)put any joint,It's should be one length pipe.
4-Waste pipe underfloor should be a grey or black colour.In your case it's all white and I can tell you that for rats it's lunch:)
Hi Andrew thanks for comments. In response, 1 - Why do you 'have' to use a double clip when you can simply space singles. 2 - They will be taken up to 1200mm, only left short so I can get the stud wall built first. 3 - Think I said that in video and why I didn't use for the stop ends which are only one for a couple of days anyway. No joins in UFH where it is actually underfloor. 4- None of the waste is below floor as it is within insulation but good to know for the future. Fear not, the plumber is back this week so you don't have to suffer any more 'mistakes' ;-).
@@TheRestorationCouple Pretty sure you addressed all of these things in the video so I'm unsure why you received the lecture. Love the videos, it may not all be done by the book but as a fellow home renovator on a budget and doing everything myself also, you can't know it all. Jack of all trades, master of none, but still better than a master of one!
First!
wow that was a lot of talking and very litlle building lol
It's got to be really shit being bald, a chrome - dome. Must be awful. Thankfully I've got hair. 🦁
william mc grattan don't you realise that people with less hair are more advanced than you are. They are further along the evolutionary ladder so you are closer to Neanderthal man. This can also be indicated by your obviously lower IQ in bringing this up in the first place.
I do a fair bit of DIY plumbing and it's usually a fiddly but relatively dull process...tbh it doesn't make for particularly good video content shown in real time here.