Sorry I gotta comment again. I love when they disagree because they both have such good points and it helps the audience critically think about issues. They’re not afraid to have different opinions when I feel like most podcast hosts just agree because it’s easier
Ben and email are what they are and the transparency of their unique solid characters and friendship is part of the content. It’s just unfair that guys from the New Jersey coastline are more cultured and perfect, but Ben Cahn is the rare Californian exception.
I'm a pharmacist and also a long time fan of y'all! I religiously listen to you guys to get in touch with current events outside of medicine, so its so interesting to hear you guys discuss what goes on in my world. Because of the increasing popularity of GLP1 agonists, patients who really rely on these meds to maintain their diabetes don't have access to them bc of drug shortages.
I'm in recovery from anorexia and I already feel guilty for almost everything I eat... I wonder how much this is going to get abused by people with EDs? It's a bit scary to think about
I want to plug the Maintenance Phase podcast for anyone that wants to learn more about diet culture, obesity, weight loss, etc. It’s an impartial and HIGHLY researched show that sort of debunks the idea of “the obesity epidemic.” As a fat person, it helped me a lot. That’s all!!
Yes!! 100000x co-sign. The ep on the French Diet is so good. Busting the myth that all Europeans are naturally skinny and exist in societies without fat people, or fat phobia and its resulting EDs, was so enlightening(and honestly a little reliving). Given that, the EUs approval/denial of the semaglutide drugs will come with its own social/political biases.
Yessss I was going to say the same thing about this. The "Is being fat bad for you episode?" REALLY opened my mind about this stuff. Michael Hobbes is a hell of a researcher.
The stuff about how at each health institution (WHO internationally then NIH in America) arbitrarily changed the ranges of BMI so that more people would be considered obese, there were professionals at each institution who said it was a bad idea. And yet, the institutions did it any way.
@@metalsalsaabsolutely enraged me. And when you learn about how many of modern medicine’s accepted ideas about how one’s quality of health is linked to their amount of body fat - thin bodies are healthier, and the pursuit of health inherently meaning losing body fat - have their roots in eugenics???
The line for what exactly is “obese” or “overweight” is ever subjective and changing. BMI is known to be unreliable because of how it doesn’t apply to so many different body types. The first I ever heard of people using the diabetes-version of the medicine to lose weight was when it was getting popular in Hollywood because wealthy people were using it to go from being average sized to being noticeably thin. I would never ever expect a weightloss drug to be prescribed responsibly.
“treat and reduce obesity” but no, dont solve the sedentary transport infastructure that makes people have to go to the gym to get movement in, rather than getting healthy movement by walking, biking, taking trains, etc
its seeing a fire and creating a complex system of irrigation on the fly to put it out instead of using the fire hydrant in the corner. What's needed is a cultural change, not a medicine that reduces bone density.
The thing Ben was reading about Eli lily being in rural Indiana isn't about their employees staying at work for long hours but rather that their employee retention is tremendous because there isn't anywhere near them where someone could switch jobs without uprooting their entire life and moving across the country. Their attrition rate last year was 10%, average is 18%, and just when googling those randomly read also that replacing a specialized Healthcare professional typically costs twice their yearly salary too.
I started on Ozempic cuz I am 45, diabetic, obese, and I have a chronic pain condition with a starring cast member of a back injury that healed wrong. My Dr wanted me to have gastric bypass when my son was 3, 10 years ago. After the class I was required to take beforehand, I chickened out. I'd much rather take my chances with these drugs (lost 40lbs so far, become much more mobile, eating way healthier, AND my a1c is 5.7) than having a major surgery that could easily kill me.
It is an uniquely American issue in that the food production and manufacturing industry is lobbied to hell, making sure there's as little regulations and as low standard as possible, un-walkable cities and towns, reliance on automobile, a culture of over working and then over indulgence to compensate, preventative measures are often overlooked, etc Then, you've got the body positivity movement, which on the one hand completely makes sense in terms of humanising fat people and fighting toxic diet culture etc, but on the other hand it is also essentially a cultural reaction against a government and a system that not only aren't interested in protecting its people, but thrive off of their subjugation, so when you go into the far end of this you have celebrated over-eating and obesity.
I'm cautious like Emil about Ozempic. I recently asked my internist about it out of curiosity and while she listed a lot of the benefits the muscle mass loss came up as well. She said that's why when people who don't have a regular workout regime (specifically weight-bearing exercise) stop taking Ozempic they sometimes gain even MORE weight back because a lot of it is that muscle returning. I don't know if the majority of people taking it for weight loss are also preserving that muscle while on it
Coming from Google podcasts just to say that I live for this shit. Hearing about Emil getting railed when asking about a shirt makes my commute to work enjoyable. Bless the paypigs
Very excited to be able to leave a comment on my favourite podcast because I love leaving comments and I love this podcast. I will be thinking about this Ozempic and Big Pharma situation as it continues to evolve, thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions. Emil is a very passionate speaker and we love to hear what he has to say. Once again, I love commenting and I love this podcast.
One of the side effects for a lot of anti depression medication is suicidal thoughts. Yet millions of people take them every day. 99% of the time the good out weighs the bad.
Exactly. The extreme side effects of GLP-1s are really outliers. There are medications with much more severe side effects that people spend their whole lives on. People just have an opinion on these meds because they don't think fat people should be able to lose weight with "help."
I nobody talking about the beautiful table they shoot at. Man that radial pattern grain and stain look 🔥 Great addition to the set, which of course is not Emil's apartment. He has a beautiful wife, kids, dog and pool in a much nicer house!
Think about it this way, cardiovascular risk will decrease because those who take it will be consuming less cholesterol & saturated fat by eating less food. But your body also needs fuel for muscle & proper function. And as a nurse in the cardiovascular icu, I see people who have cardiac disease eat plenty of foods that are unhealthy and irritating to the body.
Love you boys. The theme song however I do not love lol maybe I'll feel different once you have an opening sequence for it, but it just feels long and muddied which is weird cause it's only 30 seconds. Also, I personally don't think you need to make another popping intro sequence just because your last "show that will not be named" had one. I would even cut this song down to a 5-10 sting and just have your logo animate in. Almost like Broad City style title intro, just get right into it. Just some food for thought I love your show!
I may or may not have previously worked for a law firm that defended Eli Lilly from class action law suits on their diabetes drugs... it was truly a soul sucking job, but it helped pay for law school and now I work in public service sooo... that cancels out, right?
It’ll be interesting to see what the effects of longterm GLP-1 RA use will be, considering the incidence of medullary thyroid cancer in rodents and incidentally in a human patient (thus the black box warning). I also worry about the frenzy around “weight loss at any cost” in the US, especially with the American Academy of Pediatrics saying doctors can offer weight loss drugs to kids as young as 12 that are diagnosed as obese and bariatric surgery for kids as young as 13. That people equate lower body weight with health just really grinds my gears.
@@benandemilshow it looks like I'm the only one who's said anything about it so maybe it's just me. personally the two headshots being cropped differently is slightly weird (one of them not being a little deer-in-the-headlightsy as well) and the background is hard to decipher with so much being covered besides "fat profits". in my completely unsolicited opinion, just as someone who's a fan of the show, it might look better as a combination of this one and the previous thumbnail. the background of the previous one was just more eye catching and fit in with the previous episodes more, this one feels a little empty and maybe just crop a *little* less of emil's shoulders out. again, it looks like I'm the only one who has said anything about not liking it so it is totally possible that it's just me being dumb. I've been watching since the first episode of the previous show that I can't seem to remember the name of and have enjoyed every episode since, including this one, the new thumbnail is the only thing that has felt off about the episode
Eli Lilly is based out of Indianapolis, far from a metropolis, but also the least rural part of Indiana by a long shot (obviously more rural than most “cities” in the country, but still)
Wow a three day return policy is insane!! I thought the 14 days naked wolfe offers was bad. Now I just have the spice boots collecting dust in my closet 🙂
I think part of the problem/why dangerous drugs like this get approved is because of the panic surrounding obesity, which seems to be based on bmi, which is a very flawed stat. I wonder if the health of Americans would be seen differently if we based it on diabetes/heart disease/other conditions rather than just purely weight. This is coming from someone with a BMI over 50 struggling to get doctors to believe me that health is not related to weight. I have a healthy lifestyle, my blood work came back perfect, I’m not pre-diabetic; I’m just genetically built different. I’m trying to lose weight for practical reasons like being able to fit comfortably on an airplane seat, finding clothes that fit, and back pain, but I’m not unhealthy. My doctor tried to prescribe me wegovy in like 2021 but my insurance denied it lmao kinda glad it was now that all this stuff is coming out about it.
I think the problem is people will see this medicine as a quick fix, same as all the other fat loss supps out there. People will use it and see results (real or not) but not build the habits to fix their issues.
Best podcast of all time. The best voices, the best chemistry, so much better than those other guys, I don’t remember their name for some reason what’s their name again? Doesn’t matter, this is the best one
i think it’d be funny if each one of you got a little personal segment for like a monologue or something. Ben’s Corner (feat. Emil) , Emil’s Minute, etc very colbert very john oliver. the camera could point to a different part of the set. this would mean the crew has to now construct a 1:1 replica of emil’s kitchen, a corner in his house,
Perfect timing boys I was just prescribed a menial task this would spruce up and accompany perfectly
I love how you structured this sentence
Samesies
Sorry I gotta comment again. I love when they disagree because they both have such good points and it helps the audience critically think about issues. They’re not afraid to have different opinions when I feel like most podcast hosts just agree because it’s easier
why are you sorry?
You are very right, don’t be sorry! I love how they can disagree in such a intelligent and respectful way too
Ben and email are what they are and the transparency of their unique solid characters and friendship is part of the content. It’s just unfair that guys from the New Jersey coastline are more cultured and perfect, but Ben Cahn is the rare Californian exception.
wrong, should be sorry. one comment, everyone knows the rules
@@darkunicornblood5140
Emil looks like he just got off a shift of selling used cars in central Jersey.
highest compliment
Thank you Ben & Emil for solving Obesity
Finally, someone had to do it!
I'm a pharmacist and also a long time fan of y'all! I religiously listen to you guys to get in touch with current events outside of medicine, so its so interesting to hear you guys discuss what goes on in my world. Because of the increasing popularity of GLP1 agonists, patients who really rely on these meds to maintain their diabetes don't have access to them bc of drug shortages.
Now that Ben is rocking the stache and with Emil's long flowing locks, I need to see a Miami Vice 80s style photoshoot of Ben and Emil.
if your shirt is $1000 i’m stealing something out of your house
tough but fair
emil discovering bode as his villian origin story is hilarious
having enrichment time by listening to this alone in my room cracking jokes and replying out loud like i'm part of the conversation
Real
I'm in recovery from anorexia and I already feel guilty for almost everything I eat... I wonder how much this is going to get abused by people with EDs? It's a bit scary to think about
We need a dedicated After Hours episode about "Emil's Big Dicked Down Adventures".
Yooooo we don’t use those 2 words round here
@@oplasmidx8288 Big dicked? My bad, homie.
What’s an After Hours?
@@prestonmatson3091 A lost relic of another time.
I want to plug the Maintenance Phase podcast for anyone that wants to learn more about diet culture, obesity, weight loss, etc. It’s an impartial and HIGHLY researched show that sort of debunks the idea of “the obesity epidemic.” As a fat person, it helped me a lot. That’s all!!
Yes!! 100000x co-sign. The ep on the French Diet is so good. Busting the myth that all Europeans are naturally skinny and exist in societies without fat people, or fat phobia and its resulting EDs, was so enlightening(and honestly a little reliving). Given that, the EUs approval/denial of the semaglutide drugs will come with its own social/political biases.
Yessss I was going to say the same thing about this. The "Is being fat bad for you episode?" REALLY opened my mind about this stuff. Michael Hobbes is a hell of a researcher.
The stuff about how at each health institution (WHO internationally then NIH in America) arbitrarily changed the ranges of BMI so that more people would be considered obese, there were professionals at each institution who said it was a bad idea. And yet, the institutions did it any way.
!!!! hobbes and gordon fans rise up!
@@metalsalsaabsolutely enraged me. And when you learn about how many of modern medicine’s accepted ideas about how one’s quality of health is linked to their amount of body fat - thin bodies are healthier, and the pursuit of health inherently meaning losing body fat - have their roots in eugenics???
The line for what exactly is “obese” or “overweight” is ever subjective and changing. BMI is known to be unreliable because of how it doesn’t apply to so many different body types. The first I ever heard of people using the diabetes-version of the medicine to lose weight was when it was getting popular in Hollywood because wealthy people were using it to go from being average sized to being noticeably thin. I would never ever expect a weightloss drug to be prescribed responsibly.
It's one shirt! How much could it cost. $200? Great episode, funny as always and informative as sometimes
“treat and reduce obesity” but no, dont solve the sedentary transport infastructure that makes people have to go to the gym to get movement in, rather than getting healthy movement by walking, biking, taking trains, etc
its seeing a fire and creating a complex system of irrigation on the fly to put it out instead of using the fire hydrant in the corner. What's needed is a cultural change, not a medicine that reduces bone density.
the pay pigs are at it again just when i was missing ben's demented takes and emil's soothing radio voice
ben says otherwise to the soothing radio voice lmfao
The thing Ben was reading about Eli lily being in rural Indiana isn't about their employees staying at work for long hours but rather that their employee retention is tremendous because there isn't anywhere near them where someone could switch jobs without uprooting their entire life and moving across the country. Their attrition rate last year was 10%, average is 18%, and just when googling those randomly read also that replacing a specialized Healthcare professional typically costs twice their yearly salary too.
I started on Ozempic cuz I am 45, diabetic, obese, and I have a chronic pain condition with a starring cast member of a back injury that healed wrong. My Dr wanted me to have gastric bypass when my son was 3, 10 years ago. After the class I was required to take beforehand, I chickened out. I'd much rather take my chances with these drugs (lost 40lbs so far, become much more mobile, eating way healthier, AND my a1c is 5.7) than having a major surgery that could easily kill me.
It is an uniquely American issue in that the food production and manufacturing industry is lobbied to hell, making sure there's as little regulations and as low standard as possible, un-walkable cities and towns, reliance on automobile, a culture of over working and then over indulgence to compensate, preventative measures are often overlooked, etc Then, you've got the body positivity movement, which on the one hand completely makes sense in terms of humanising fat people and fighting toxic diet culture etc, but on the other hand it is also essentially a cultural reaction against a government and a system that not only aren't interested in protecting its people, but thrive off of their subjugation, so when you go into the far end of this you have celebrated over-eating and obesity.
I hope after Ben gets diarrhea we get another episode of him getting acupuncture to cure that diarrhea.
Me, listening to the pod as I finish up work for the day at my office in rural Indiana: 😳
that zoom in of Emil just moving the chocolates and back at 41:48 got me I don't know why
The editing is top tier boys, keep it up 🫡
I feel like the intro video is going to be really cool when it's finished
Mr Beets 😭😭
I'm cautious like Emil about Ozempic. I recently asked my internist about it out of curiosity and while she listed a lot of the benefits the muscle mass loss came up as well. She said that's why when people who don't have a regular workout regime (specifically weight-bearing exercise) stop taking Ozempic they sometimes gain even MORE weight back because a lot of it is that muscle returning. I don't know if the majority of people taking it for weight loss are also preserving that muscle while on it
Coming from Google podcasts just to say that I live for this shit. Hearing about Emil getting railed when asking about a shirt makes my commute to work enjoyable. Bless the paypigs
Intro 11 minutes in is crazy but I love how y’all just flow in conversation easily
I just noticed one of your reels on IG went really viral. Congrats guys! Really looking forward to seeing this community grow even more.
I love the random imagery that only slightly pertains to what they're talking about that pops on screen
Very excited to be able to leave a comment on my favourite podcast because I love leaving comments and I love this podcast. I will be thinking about this Ozempic and Big Pharma situation as it continues to evolve, thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions. Emil is a very passionate speaker and we love to hear what he has to say. Once again, I love commenting and I love this podcast.
hahahaha thank you jen!
One of the side effects for a lot of anti depression medication is suicidal thoughts. Yet millions of people take them every day. 99% of the time the good out weighs the bad.
I guess it depends on the prevalence and severity of the side effects which we don't know yet
Exactly. The extreme side effects of GLP-1s are really outliers. There are medications with much more severe side effects that people spend their whole lives on. People just have an opinion on these meds because they don't think fat people should be able to lose weight with "help."
I nobody talking about the beautiful table they shoot at. Man that radial pattern grain and stain look 🔥 Great addition to the set, which of course is not Emil's apartment. He has a beautiful wife, kids, dog and pool in a much nicer house!
how did you know my dad got prescribed ozempic…
Man I love hanging out with my boys
Kind of suspicious that last episode Ben said he wanted Dianne Feinstein to fall down some stairs and now she has…..
Think about it this way, cardiovascular risk will decrease because those who take it will be consuming less cholesterol & saturated fat by eating less food. But your body also needs fuel for muscle & proper function. And as a nurse in the cardiovascular icu, I see people who have cardiac disease eat plenty of foods that are unhealthy and irritating to the body.
Love you boys. The theme song however I do not love lol maybe I'll feel different once you have an opening sequence for it, but it just feels long and muddied which is weird cause it's only 30 seconds. Also, I personally don't think you need to make another popping intro sequence just because your last "show that will not be named" had one. I would even cut this song down to a 5-10 sting and just have your logo animate in. Almost like Broad City style title intro, just get right into it. Just some food for thought I love your show!
On good speakers tho, kind of slaps In a chill way🫰
Ben looks like he just woke up right before the episode. He's my spirit animal.
I may or may not have previously worked for a law firm that defended Eli Lilly from class action law suits on their diabetes drugs... it was truly a soul sucking job, but it helped pay for law school and now I work in public service sooo... that cancels out, right?
we're so back baby!!!!!!!!
Semaglutide stopped my disordered eating and chain smoking. The effects of quitting would be brutal. I'd get overweight and lung cancer
Guys, I'm not ready to watch this yet. Can you reupload it in like 2 hours?
yes sir just for you
so late to the game but the subplot of the guy trying to get over his smoking and gambling addiction in the edit is cracking me up
It’ll be interesting to see what the effects of longterm GLP-1 RA use will be, considering the incidence of medullary thyroid cancer in rodents and incidentally in a human patient (thus the black box warning).
I also worry about the frenzy around “weight loss at any cost” in the US, especially with the American Academy of Pediatrics saying doctors can offer weight loss drugs to kids as young as 12 that are diagnosed as obese and bariatric surgery for kids as young as 13.
That people equate lower body weight with health just really grinds my gears.
"Sounds like wahlid" 55:36 😭
the camera quality is great and ben please never shave the stache you genuinely look really good
changing the thumbnail to a worse one is what got me to click onto the video
Wtf we thought this was better :(
@@benandemilshow it looks like I'm the only one who's said anything about it so maybe it's just me. personally the two headshots being cropped differently is slightly weird (one of them not being a little deer-in-the-headlightsy as well) and the background is hard to decipher with so much being covered besides "fat profits". in my completely unsolicited opinion, just as someone who's a fan of the show, it might look better as a combination of this one and the previous thumbnail. the background of the previous one was just more eye catching and fit in with the previous episodes more, this one feels a little empty and maybe just crop a *little* less of emil's shoulders out. again, it looks like I'm the only one who has said anything about not liking it so it is totally possible that it's just me being dumb. I've been watching since the first episode of the previous show that I can't seem to remember the name of and have enjoyed every episode since, including this one, the new thumbnail is the only thing that has felt off about the episode
I can't wait for Emil to date my mom. Then my new step-dad can tell me how he got dicked down by an expensive shirt.
6:20 is such a Larry David moment from Emil
Dillon gang rise up
this is huge for me
The photo inserts are killing me man
Eli Lilly is headquartered in Indianapolis lol. Not quite rural but when compared to the other biotech/pharma hubs it makes sense
The intro song makes me feel a certain way that I can’t understand or explain. Love it.
You guys legitimately make my day!
yess another episode of my favorite podcast :) i like to listen while i ride my bike
appreciate the i think you should leave reference during the shirt story @ 8:19
Eli Lilly is based out of Indianapolis, far from a metropolis, but also the least rural part of Indiana by a long shot (obviously more rural than most “cities” in the country, but still)
Nice one boys, baiting the British into thinking you don’t know the difference between London Bridge and Tower bridge.
Cant help but let out a tear of joy every time they upload
Wow a three day return policy is insane!! I thought the 14 days naked wolfe offers was bad. Now I just have the spice boots collecting dust in my closet 🙂
just limit the sugar in the food and this shit wouldnt be such a big problem.
36:32 Emil's smile of him dying inside.
Shout out to y’alls editor ❤
I think part of the problem/why dangerous drugs like this get approved is because of the panic surrounding obesity, which seems to be based on bmi, which is a very flawed stat. I wonder if the health of Americans would be seen differently if we based it on diabetes/heart disease/other conditions rather than just purely weight. This is coming from someone with a BMI over 50 struggling to get doctors to believe me that health is not related to weight. I have a healthy lifestyle, my blood work came back perfect, I’m not pre-diabetic; I’m just genetically built different. I’m trying to lose weight for practical reasons like being able to fit comfortably on an airplane seat, finding clothes that fit, and back pain, but I’m not unhealthy. My doctor tried to prescribe me wegovy in like 2021 but my insurance denied it lmao kinda glad it was now that all this stuff is coming out about it.
your knees probably ain't that healthy lol
BODE shirts are gorgeous but they do be expensive lol and some of them have one-of-a-kind suuuuper niche vintage fabrics.
ben and emil back at it again
Insane intro. We love it.
Pardon my take and pay pigs, my two favorite pods! Never thought I’d hear big cat mentioned on this show 😂
well LOOKY HERE, we got some CROSSOVER
hope ben keeps the stache, it makes him look like alex trebek if he was still alive and it was the 70s
(ur funnier than cody and noel imo)
emil is my fav but so is ben
YOOO THEME SOMF
Wegovy, Saxenda, Mounjaro are widely covered by major health insurance companies for weight management
every thumbnail this channel produces is fine art
Thar was a picture of tower bridge guys.
Lmao Bode is fire but is literal runway shit. Bet Cody has something from them
What is the style of music that the theme song is? Jazz electronic?
I think the problem is people will see this medicine as a quick fix, same as all the other fat loss supps out there. People will use it and see results (real or not) but not build the habits to fix their issues.
Intro song makes me think of Magnum P.I for some reason. I like it!
Favorite podcast at the moment. Love my parents Benjamin and Emilia
can confirm living in rural indiana is awful
i cant believe you two fuckers are coming to london right as im on vacation
Please get dwight schrute for the beetstables commercial
Best podcast of all time. The best voices, the best chemistry, so much better than those other guys, I don’t remember their name for some reason what’s their name again? Doesn’t matter, this is the best one
great episode AS ALWAYS. you got me considering buying the bonus episodes
do it do it do it
all the cool kids are doing it
ngl this weeks been shitty and keeps getting shitty but this podcast makes it less so !
damn hope things start lookin up king !
Got here just in time
When are the boys doing a Florida show?
Ben and Emil take on Tampa/Orlando
thanks boys
Emil im sorry you couldn’t afford that shirt from Dan Flashes.
The shirt story is very Larry David ahahah
I'd love to go to the London show but I don't speak French :(
Bro that intro was definitely inspired by Bens ketamine trip what the fuck man
insane creamery for Nvidia shortly🙏
also this editing style is reminiscent of podcast but outside which is cute
How am I going to JUST NOW get a notification for this episode. The F.
i think it’d be funny if each one of you got a little personal segment for like a monologue or something. Ben’s Corner (feat. Emil) , Emil’s Minute, etc very colbert very john oliver. the camera could point to a different part of the set. this would mean the crew has to now construct a 1:1 replica of emil’s kitchen, a corner in his house,
Ben, any hair could sit atop that face and look incredible.
I volunteer as emils first pair