I stopped watching CinemaSins when they started doing things like dinging movies for being confusing when the guys were just purposely leaving out information the movies presented. Like "What in the world is going on? How did they get to that location all of a sudden?" when literally the very previous scene in the movie would be the characters traveling to said location. They're either incredibly dumb or disingenuous, neither of which appeals to me.
I feel like CinemaSins was genuinely one of the worst things that could've happened to TH-cam because now you get people who _think_ they're being intellectual by nitpicking every single thing, when really it's the most obnoxious and banal thing you could do.
what do you mean, Nit picking can help you as a film maker and a continuity person. My CLA teacher always nitpicks our work. Yea we get sad and annoyed. But it doesn't really hurt any one just makes them a better film maker. Nitpicking will save you ALOT.
Epicytper clearly jealous of the fact that his “nitpicking” videos hold more weight in the film land than anything you’ll ever leave in a comment section...
Cinemasins before: cameramen appeared on the scene. Window was somewhere, then it disappears. Etc. Cinemasins now: "this guy looks funny", "that chick is dumb"
The first goddamn video has a "scene does not contain lap dance" sin. They only made the videos longer because money obviously. You can't be mad because they have a business.
I never took CinemaSins seriously. Always watch their videos for funny commentary and making fun of stereotypical stuff. Their reviews would definitely not stop me from watching a movie.
I only enjoyed watching CS vids that trashed movies I liked. Don’t understand why people get so upset about it. Got bored of them after a while though.
John Smith Who actually finds Cinemasins funny lmao all I hear is some loser making sad criticisms for money. I’ve never watched an entire cinemasins video ever
John Smith Who actually finds Cinemasins funny lmao all I hear is some loser making sad criticisms for money. I’ve never watched an entire cinemasins video ever
What about Cinemawins? Sure, they're not as big as Cinemasins, but they do put out surprisingly good content in a similar timespan while also respecting the creators.
I don't know what's so surprising... As far as I'm concerned, Cinemasins are just plain crude humor while Cinemawins really sounds like he's cocksucking these creators sometimes. Heck I might even make the argument that Cinemasins are just brainless jokes, insulting it may be, it's still just a stupid trashing compared to Cinemawins who *maybe* really does just honestly praising these movies while ignoring it's flaws or bad points (sure you can set those things aside if you don't care, but it sure make you sounds like corporate shill). I doesn't hate either ones, but both are decent at best.
It's dumb to say that he "ignores" the movie's flaws when the entire concept of the channel is to list the positive aspects of often-underappreciated movies. As the channel matured he focused less on maligned movies and more on popular content, but the premise of the channel continues to be about concentrating on the good. And even then he still lists the occasional flaw.
1 2 well fine, I'm just saying how much of a shill that made them sounds and that's it. On the other hand, Cinemasins are based on the entire concept of nitpicking any aspect of a movie as much as possible but it didn't stopped them from removing a sin everytime a movie nailed something so well. That's where I'll go back to my initial stance, Cinemasins are Jackasses and Cinemawins can really *really* sounds like blind fangirling. Both are decent, neither is better than the other.
TIME STAMPS: @00:53 - Cinemasins From A Filmmaker's Perspective; @03:36 - Evolution of Sins; @05:04 - Quality of Sins Then and Now; @07:53 - Good-spirited Jokes v Harmful Insults; @10:37 - In Conclusion...
@@ahabduennschitz7670 tf? They arw talking about movies and making money and youre gonna try to flex with your weird social media knowledge? Why watch videos against negativity if youre part of the problem einstein?
i got annoyed about half a year ago when they started blatantly spread misinformation about movies and simple laws of the cinematic universe in which the movie is in. Like "how can that superhero lift that car? Like we didn't know that hero clearly has super strength, etc...
@@omercinar6693 totally agreed. They've been doing it for a long time now. Take The Dark Knight Rises for example. Half of the criticisms and plotholes they point out are easily solved by the dialogues but they manipulate the audience by editing the movie in a bad way while also misunderstanding scenes which ruins it for many people. They've done this in sooooo many of their videos that people who haven't even watched the movie already hate it bcuz of their videos as those idiots take them as facts.
D3RRANG3D not everything in their videos are jokes, they do have a lot of sins that are actual criticisms, and most of the time, the “sins” are just CInemasins being stupid and not paying attention to whatever movie they’re sinning, so they think the sin is a legit flaw or whatever
A good number of the sins they give out aren't actually jokes. Jeremy has his own movie review channel where he makes several of the same points as in the cinemasins videos. So the people saying that the videos are jokes that filmmakers overreact to are wrong.
Ultra Nerd, a helluva lot of what they sin deserves to be sinned. The rest is nitpicking. And whether those nitpick are justified or not, the fact remains they have every right to say whatever they want. Honestly the more people complain about CinemaSins being too mean or just wrong, the less I care and the more I want them to keep trashing shit movies. Funny how that works lol.
dirty pure Except they don't just trash talk "shitty" movies, and still sin things that are easily explained or justifiable. Also, what does their "right to say" anything on their videos have to do with whether or not they SHOULD say it? I could make an entire video filled with misinformation and lies, yet pass it off as true. Doesn't mean I should.
@@fischermann999 I'm not a native english speaker so I'm probably wrong but I have a hard time seeing "get off by back" as an insult. To me, it shows frustration and/or deceit.
Am I the only one who just watches CinemaSin vids about movies I've already seen? I already have my own fully formed opinion of the movie being sinned before I watch their take, but I like the channel's humour and insight. Sometimes they help me reinforce what I didn't like about the movie, sometimes sometimes it's just a few laughs and sometimes I roll my eyes as CinemaSins purposely misinterprets a scene for a cheap joke, but they've never changed my mind.
Yours is maybe the most reasonable comment on here, that's exactly what I do. In fact, Cinemasins gets me to watch movies I woulda missed (just to see their videos).
On the most part I'm the same, but when they make one about a film that's just so far away from my alley I know I'll never watch it and I have a spare half an hour, I'm like why not have some cheap laughs?
I used to sin cinema sins in the comments. Until I just found it too painful how poorly researched or even basically thought through a lot of their “sins” were. Sometimes it felt like they hadn’t even watched the film at all.
i dont really consider cinemasins much of a "criticism" channel. they don't really do much critique with their videos as much as they make jokes about small things that they were personally annoyed with. if people are watching these videos and taking them as legitimate media criticism then that's probably an issue and shouldnt be too hard to solve. personal insults aimed at individuals who worked on the movies is in poor taste and offhand "bashing" without point or meaning isnt very worthwhile in any context though.
You miss the point, many of their nitpicks are actively explained by the movie they are watching, and sometimes they will deliberately edit away the explanation, There are dozens of instances of this. It's not criticism, it's called lying.
I absolutely agree. I don't think anything personal should be brought up there but, aside from that it's hyperbolical shit on everything nitpicking for the sake of comedy. By getting upset about it you're already taking it way too seriously.
I agree with most of this. I remember when Cinema Sins actually made short and concise videos in which they actually pointed out badly used Cliches and continuity errors, bad shots + the running jokes of logos, storm trooper aim and the Prometheus school of running away from things which add a little bit of humor. It poked a bit of fun at films but never implied the film was bad because of it. I think the channel could be made better if the "sins section" of the videos were 5 minutes or so like they used to be, then maybe they could do a very short overall review (like 2 mins) where they actually credit the film fairly and at the end have the 3(ish) minutes of mashups that they do now. this would improve the quality of the sins, prevent damage to the artists who did a good job, and still let them just about hit the 10 minute mark for the revenue. Also there is a channel called Cinema Wins which is really enjoyable and also gets into a bit of philosophy and meaning behind the films as well as pointing out cool moments. Another channel that pokes fun at films in a good way is Editing is Everything. - just a few cool movie channels that I hadn't heard of until recently.
Real talk anybody watching cinemasins looking for a honest criticism about the quality of a movie just stop. Channel always leaned comedy nitpicks over critical flaws. Longer the videos met they would include more comedy. Cinemasins should not dictate if you watch a movie or not.
If I watch a CinemaSins video for a movie I haven't seen, it is because I have no intention of seeing it anyway. I don't always agree with them. For instance, I think they were unnecessarily harsh with Shrek, a movie aimed at kids. However, I still enjoyed the video because it was entertaining and it gave me an interesting viewpoint about the movie. Watching CinemaSins these days is like watching a review of the movie. It's just their opinions, and that's all. If the name of the videos were changed to "Things I Didn't Like About ____", hardly anyone would be complaining. But it's called "Everything Wrong With ____", so people think the channel is trying to tell audiences what to think about the movie...
And it's called Everything Wrong With because that spells EWW. It's another joke. And I totally agree with you, I often watch CS videos of movies I'm sure are detestable (Kong Skull Island is a good example, the King Kong remake by Del Toro was already bad enough) and will never watch. But I also watch their videos for movies I loved (The VVitch is a good example) and I still laughed a lot and loved their video. Directors who get offended/feel threatened by them are snow flake imbeciles, as demonstrated vastly by the movies they make (I downloaded and watched Skull Island, then deleted it instantly, it's so terrible, the characters are so shallow and chicle, it's on Transformers level of bad).
I was able to find some fun moments in kong skull island but felt sorry to watch talented actors given try to bring their mundane characters to life. Outside the kong scenes the movie fucking flawed. Cinemasins states before the video starts no movie is perfect. A person favorite film should be able to handle a being nitpicked.
+Alexandre Martins I don't think that offended director are "snow flake imbeciles". They are just witnessing, how months of their work is made seem bad in fornt of a large audience. I do understand their complaint, although criticism (good and bad) is part of the film industry. CinemaSins is always pointing out, what's bad in their eyes. But sometimes we forget, that every movie with it's plot, characters developments and actors caters a different audience. Most of these movies are just not worthy to watch (for me - in my opinion); you could even call them trash, but that doesn't mean they don't make money and that there are no people enjoying this kind of movie experience - even if it is forgettable. I still enjoy CinemaSins and their content. And I guess a part of their audience sees most flaws in some of their criticism or line of argument as I do as well as appreciates the jokes and where their "sins" are completely right. Still the film industry puts a lot of money and effort into making these movies. So let them complain.
I'm still a fan of Cinemasins and this is the best and most even handed critique video about them I have seen in a long time. Also obligatory sin count. _Ding_
Totally agree. Heard SO many people talking shit about a movie and the literal only thing they could bring up was "the cinema sins video", people that would probably have a totally different opinion otherwise. They point out some plot-holes in funny ways but A LOT of the sins are pretty much bullshit, just jokes that dont even adress a flaw but still add to the sin counter, or insults. I mean, I love watching some of their videos but "satire" does not really apply for some of the things they say. Even if it might not be their intention; it teaches people to nitpick movies rather than find constructive critizism
I'm sure they know quite a bit about movies, but literally all they say is "this dialogue is shit" or "this plot is shit" rather than give any form of improvements at all. I know that it's not their intention to give improvements, they just want to do "comedy" basically, but none of what they say justifies insulting individual people working on those movies that much. It could be a somewhat enjoyable format if they weren't as toxic as they currently are, but my biggest issue is how many people, who don't know much about film take it literally and become these annoying nitpickers as well
Gerard O'Neill No, it's not 'just for fun' it's a man baby that hates everything, making up fake sins for films such as "I CANNOT SEE THIS GATE IN WARCRAFT THAT THE ORC LADY IS TALKING ABOUT! SIIIIIN!" despite the fact that anyone with a pair of working eyes could see the god damn GIANT ASS GATE in the middle of the exact scene they were showing. They are dumbasses who get endless things wrong then claim it's comedy whenever it's called out, but when people like you are fellating them? They claim it's actually critique and reviews. Which it's not. It's idiocy pandering to dumbasses who probably get off to Transformers movies.
Gerard O'Neill They have claimed that their critique is legit MULTIPLE times, and it is just not fun to watch them if you cannot discern what is real and what is a joke.
Alex Soetekouw productions, does that mean you’ve seen Chris’ face? That seems odd to me. As far as I know, Jeremy appears on camera way more than Chris. Jeremy has had his own channel (Cinemasins Jeremy) for years. And on that channel he has a series where he appears on camera twice, with a split screen effect so that he can have a conversation with himself (aptly titled “Conversations with Myself”).
Alex Soetekouw productions because you didn’t see his “Everything Wrong With CinemaSins” video or his cameo on Nostalgia Critic’s “A Christmas Story 2” intro.
Ica Rue i believe it! i happened upon one of his videos and i hit subscribe when it was still only halfway through haha. love him. don’t always agree but always appreciate the analysis and opinion. not to mention that he’s respectful when doing it.
1>guy creates content 2>guy makes content taking a shit on other guys content 3>original guy is offended 4>fans of second guy tell him to "grow up and take a hit" 5>guy creates content explaining the content of the guy shitting on the other guys content. 6>fans of second guy tell him to "grow up and take a hit" 7>repeat steps steps 5-6 until channel collapses due to change in management
They are NOT just jokes. Check out CinemaSins' creator's personal channel where he posts his own actual reviews which have the same dumb points he used in the cinema sins' videos
Think the sin is unfair? It was only a joke! Think the sin is fair? It was totally a real criticism! This is the real issue with the videos. With very rare exceptions, whether or not the sin is supposed to be a real sin or a joke sin is unclear. The unfair ones are just explained away later as being jokes.
It is unclear, because on the other channel where he does "real" movie reviews, HE USES MANY OF THE VERY SAME "SINS." Some of them are obvious, yes. But the fact that some of them are of the lap dance variety doesn't mean they all are.
If you can't tell the difference between a joke sin (lapdance sin, etc.) and a genuine criticism, then you are for one, taking the channel way too seriously, or two, a fucking idiot with no common sense.
The lapdance sins are obvious. But many other sins that people defend as just being jokes (ie, ones that ignore the actual context of the film, or things that are explicitly explained in the film) are repeated in his "serious" criticism videos in his other channel. Which means they're not intended as jokes, he just doesn't pay attention.
I kinda stopped taking CinemaSins seriously as a comedy channel, when they pointed out the unlikely timing of events in Thor Ragnarok as sins, when clearly they're intentionally set up jokes because the movie is a comedy. I think it was when Thor was chatting with the skeleton and its jaw drops off or something, they referred to that unlikely event as a sin and I was like "c'mon! So gag humor is a sin now?" I mean, I thought it was funny and it immediately clued me in to the type of movie I was going to be watching, and Thor's hilarious monologue with that skeleton, and the dumb gag of its jaw falling off, simply CAN'T be considered bad writing because it elicited exactly the effect that was intended - it tickled my funny bone, gave me a new perspective on the character of Thor and who he was going to be, tone-wise, in the movie. Most importantly, that gag told me immediately that this movie, unlike the previous Thor movies, would NOT be taking itself seriously at all - which is something that Ragnarok needed to establish IMMEDIATELY in order for the movie to work. The more I think about it actually, the more that silly cartoonish gag starts to seem like a stroke of writing genius xD And the CinemaSins review continues to point out further obvious comedic moments and gags as sins, which made me roll my eyes because how the hell is a supposed comedy channel, taking shots at a comedy movie from a literal perspective, ever supposed to hit home? CinemaSin's best content comes from valid criticisms that surprise you because you never thought of them and you agree, or because you already noticed the problem and you're stoked to see they did too. It does NOT come from nonsensically critiquing for the sake of critiquing.
Then don't watch it. You know they are entire squad of profession created to trash talk on people right? It's called movie critique, food critique, art critique, etc
Thank you for genuinely making not only a fair case against Cinemasins but also a respectful one. That seems like something people keep misunderstanding when offering criticism to a content creator. Just a lack of respect. Be it Cinemasins or Game Theory or whatever. Just no respect with criticism then wondering why they aren't being heard. You get it. You're respectful. Keep it up.
Well respectful typically means pulling the soft punches and keeping your feelings hidden. Shaun did my favorite critique and I am sure you wouldn't consider it respectful (especially since one of his criteria of criticism is "Did you watch the movie?")
Nionivek I'm sorry but that's not what that means. It means using phrases like"dislike" as opposed to hate or including swears in as well. You can still use the "big guns" for an argument but that the overall goal is helpful, not bashing.
I don't really think they're trying to be heard. They know how little hollywood people are likely to care about their opinions. They're just trying to be entertaining and make their viewers happy.
The issue with that is that a lot of viewers are catching onto how low quality the videos are and how much of its critique is not earned. A lot of viewers want to be more than just entertained. It has gotten to the point where some of their fans actually believe the "Did we watch this movie" aspect is the joke, that their videos are supposed to be so ill informed that you are meant to laugh AT Cinemasins (As in the problem is so bad, people think it is intentional)
And I hope they do. 99% of movies made nowadays are godawfully bad, Transformers level. These should all bomb and bankrupt studios that are stupid enough to keep making them.
And The Wild Bean Appears the arguments theyre making is all about "cinemasins is all about humor and satire". How about no. A good example of good comedic humor and satire is screen junkies; just like what this video just said.
Kleidus you’re commenting on the wrong video. bobvids’s video is further up in your search results. the video we’re commenting rn was actually very logical and unbiased so we can actually address our agreements and disagreements rationally to this guy in the comments.
Lol i bet you're using the term salty at least 3 times a day with people who challenge your opinion. Because telling that your opposition point of view is negative before making a statement yourself make you think you have an edge,i guess?
They hide behind the "it's a joke" excuse, watch Jeremy's "real" reviews and see no difference between his actual opinion and the "Satire" of CinemaSins
The problem is, at least for me and seemingly a lot of other people as well, it fundamentally doesn't even work as humor. Humor has to make a certain kind of sense, it has to be relatable; for a channel like CinemaSins, the humor needs to be paired with a fair criticism -- which was the case for their earlier videos. Only then can I have that appropriate reaction of "Haha, yeah, they really did mess that up." Now they're deliberately making these excruciatingly construed pseudo-criticisms in order to *seem* clever and increase run-time. It's not fair criticism, it's not funny, it's outright obnoxious.
Well put together and thoughtful video. I can agree that when they go too personal it can be kinda harsh. I personally like the videos that are longer because it reminds me of mystery science theatre. Not all the jokes are quality but it's more true to their brand of knit picking stupid details. I do think that they should maybe counter act their public perception of being very negative by maybe doing more praising of films they like. Their podcast does this well but it's not nearly as popular as their videos.
Rocket Adrift Cartoons A highlight video of their podcast wouldn't be a bad idea at all. Imagine a series if video going through their Best Movies Tournament where the praise the hell out of stuff like Children of Men.
Rocket Adrift Cartoons you all...thosemthat are too sensitive....are dumb. if you specifically go to cinemasins for an actual critique, then YOU are the dumb one. Cinemasins is created for those who have ALREADY seen and maybe enjoyed the movie already. Like, seriously. And after every movie EVERYONE critiques it. EVERYONE! We pick all the things right and wrong with it. How it's believable or not. And usually talk with friends about. And some friends say more than the other. Some are funnier. And that's what cinemasins is about. Bitching about PEOPLE CHOOSING to watch comedy aimed critiques about a movie that should've been experienced first.....actually first....is dumb. Bitch to people. Not against Cinemasins. They pretty much let you know it contains spoilers. Know why? Most people, normal people, don't want to hear the full story and one sided opinions of a movie before they see it. They're basically saying, "🤔 Do you guys want to hear a funny, one-sided, nitpicking, opinionated critique on a movie BEFORE you watch it? Cause this contains all that and spoilers. I'm not responsible for your enjoyment. I just want to be funny." And whomever chooses the answer, "yes", Is the dumb one
I've watched cinemasins for probably a couple years now. Before this video, I never stopped to think whether or not it might sway my willingness to watch a movie because, most of the time, I used to watch their videos AFTER seeing the movie. Now, when I see far more youtube than cinema, I really appreciate a video like this to make me take a look at myself and what I'm doing. I especially appreciate how you keep this entire look at their channel in the sort of good taste you expect in return.
Maybe you should form your own opinions and stop mindlessly following everyone you admire. If TH-cam videos make you look at yourself and reflect on your actions...you are TOO INVESTED in the content. Simple and plain. I literally watch videos on every subject imaginable and whether I agree or not doesn’t matter. It’s all content I can watch and not watch at my leisure. Same for you. Stop using cinemasins to grow your channel...
wait, are you getting on this person's case for being able to critically assess and reflect upon the videos they watch do you think that people should be watching videos for the sake of watching videos
IncoherentMoron lol it’s TH-cam not a seminar dude. You guys (internet heads) are too invested in content. Simply that. Just content. If THIS video above made you want to self reflect then you obviously need to find/do more with your life lol seriously
IncoherentMoron most content is created for the sake of simply watching lol not everything in the media has an underlying message for the viewers to discover.
I love CinemaSins. Their humor isn't for everyone and a lot of people do take them too seriously. I do try to only watch them on movies I've seen before or sometimes I'll watch one that I don't have too much interest in. And watching them has made me more aware of so much that goes on in movies. And I'm not stupid enough to think that ever sin is an actually flaw in the movie. But also I love watching CinemaWins on the same movies. It's really cool to see how something that can be consider technically wrong in a movie be what made it good.
The problem is that they cannot handle criticism, everytime someone gives constructive criticism they say it's a parody and get things wrong on purpose but when they get things right they are giving serious criticism.
@ZAP GAMERZ I thought you were joking at first from the way you typed your response but goddamn there are some idiots that really use that excuse so never can be too sure P.S sarcastic not ironic not trying to look like a Nazi grammar but I see many people using the word ironic wrong
Just over 40 subscribers only a couple years ago and now more than 200k? Mate, you surely have found your way. Although to be honest, by the sheer quality of you content I couldn’t have guessed it. This is your thing. Keep it up!
Three years later and my boy Filmento still consistent with the critiques he makes in this video: he talks about the movies themselfs, not about the people who wrote them. Very nice.
i actually disagree on the subject of cinemasins saying that its satire as, other people have noted, many of the 'nitpicks' also show up in their serious before and after videos. which means that at least half of their 'eww' videos are serious. that makes it hard to tell if its serious or not : \\ also, to everyone who says that doesn't matter, IT DOES. people who see it as serious will just not watch the movie, meaning that the producers will lose viewers for the movie, which affects their ability to KEEP making movies. and then people who don't take it seriously (and are fans) get overly defensive when people criticize cinemasins. and that's not even taking into account that they're showing a great amount of the movie IN their videos, which means that people might just not watch it because they saw the footage in the video!!
as a CinemaSins fan, I must agree they do seem to have opted for less actual plot holes and more roast-style comedy towards films. I still watch them, and personally, I find them pretty funny; but what keeps me watching aside from that, is the occasional rip on an actual plot hole or strange occurrence, etc. in the film itself.
I watched cinemasins back in the day. It was funny and mostly pointed things wrong with the film. Then, one day i found myself cringy to thinks he said, and just found it insulting things and going beyond the movie and getting personal.
CinemaSins is fun to watch but they rarely have any good criticisms. Watch those videos for a smile and a laugh not for any real constructive criticism.
It's a humorous partly-serious critique. Some I don't think are funny, but that depends on the movie. Why would you be genuinely upset about these videos? It's no different from moviemistakes.com or HISHE or Pitch Guy
This is an amazing video. I was interested from beginning to end and you backed up all points with sufficient evidence. Most videos on TH-cam make you form an opinion and use schemes to make the viewers believe them, but you formed a clear and fair argument. TH-cam needs more of this!
Well if someone is seriously thinking that Cinemasins running jokes are their attempt at criticizing a movie they don't understand the difference between critics and assholes on the internet making videos, I've never taken anything they said seriously, and anyone who does is watching the channel wrong, everyone talks about how they were better when they started but the only real difference I see is the length of the videos, sure you can dislike their brand of humor, but if you want a review of the movies you're watching look one up on the internet that doesn't start with Everything Wrong with..... They do sin cliches and other stuff in movies, just because people don't like their jokes or sins doesn't mean the sins aren't there. If people can't tell the difference between sarcasm and jokes and actual criticism, that's not Cinemasins fault. If people want real reviews of movies, look up a critics' reviews.
Cinemasins is just a pool of negativity. They demolish a well crafted or poorly crafted movie, making you either feel guilty or stupid for liking it or feel angry at them. I like Cinemawins due to how much the guy puts positive energy into the movie. He points out the good parts, complements the writing, actually teaches me about cinematography, writing, lighting, and special effects. It allows me to gain a new appreciation for movies I love and at least respect movies I don’t. I get that positive, feel good content isn’t the only thing we should consume, but Cinemasins has just become a pool of hate trashing a popular movie for clicks. There’s no respect for their own creation anymore.
I'll add that I don't agree with every "sin" he drops in, especially with his more recent content, but I still don't think there's anything inherently "wrong" with what he's doing overall.
Watching a CinemeSins video has never made me change my mind about how good or bad a movie is. It's not a film review and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Dayum u made this video with 44 subscribers, congrats man you have over 199K now, I just subscribed a month ago, I love your content I’m an aspiring filmmaker and your vids have been really helpful, keep it up :)
There are quite a few videos talking about the problems with CinemaSins. Apparently, it gets a lot more sinister and flat-out disingenuous than what this video covers.
CinemaSins is garbage, can't understand how people could even watch a minute of those "critiques"/ jokes that always fall flat. Crazy to think they got that big off that trash
I was a fan of cinemasins when they pick out continuity errors in movies and picked at cheesy and lazy writing but lately they just trash talk every movie they review. I’ll watch some of they stuff hardly finishing them due to their toxic badmouthing. They come off as self righteous.
i love cinema sins, but i have a rule to only watch videos on movies i've already watched. if i didnt watch the movie, i cant understand the jokes. And i believe this should be the correct approach to watching cinema sins
I hadn't watched CS in some time, and was wondering why I started seeing videos giving flak to a channel that always seemed to just be goofy. Your video definitely beats watching 3 hours of shaun rant about it. It is sad their quality declined, when in the beginning they enabled to look at movies with a more critical eye but these days their videos are riddled with weird invalid finger pointing.
Personally, I never watch a Cinemasins review of a film I've not seen. There would be no point. There ARE critics (eg Mark Kermode) whose opinions I listen to before deciding whether to see a film or not - but no-one in the industry lambasts newspaper or radio critics, even though their impact on a film's success is far greater. I DO eagerly check out Cinemasins for films I've already seen, however. Example - over Christmas I watched Kick-Ass for the first time. As a film, it had style wit and panache; and I was thoroughly entertained. Then I checked back and was delighted to find that Cinemasins had covered it - and was entertained once again by their amusing critique - not least because it was clear they loved the film as well. This is an important point. Cinemasins doesn't hate every film. Bad films (eg The Great Wall - and I still want my money back, not to mention three hours of my life) get torn to shreds, though not always as badly as they deserve. Good films get treated affectionately. A recent example of this is their review of Paddington, which no fan of the film could possibly object to, and most would find very funny. Or take their review of Se7en, in which they break off to lambast themselves for "criticising a masterpiece." Yes, their style has changed over the years - it's improved. Their writing is sharper and funnier, and their delivery much better. As for the money they make - more power to them.
I agree with everything you just said, BUT it does feel that recently they do like to ignore plot points, dialogue etc for some reason. It feels like laziness, because it's still the same nitpicky stuff it's just not based on what the movie previously clearly stated. Yes, there's still genuine jokes. There's also some videos, where they flat out hate the movie and it's really obvious. People like to generalize though, so now everyone is divided into 2 camps - hate or love. Meanwhile I think it's just a mixed bag.
People have opinions. A filmmaker who is given a blockbuster to helm and or work on as a crew member etc, should have thicker skin. If the studio is hurting your work, good luck with that.
Bobo Boy, there's a difference between begging the audience and giving a friendly reminder. You're kind of pathetic as a youtube channel if you don't say at the end, "don't forget to like, subscribe, and share." It's also not even remotely close to begging.
+George Daugherty true. Saying that they beg is kinda harsh. Plus, when I don't subscribe and I want to watch another one of their vids, it's kinda hard to remember what was the name of the channel. I subscribe more for myself than anything else. And if I want to support the channel more, I turn the notification bell on. It's no big deal really.
Jim Sterling and RLM don't "remind" anyone either. That being said, blame youtube for what seems like sub begging. Since the adpocalypse, a lot of channels are struggling to survive.
I liked Cinemasins in the beginning and I like them now. They took what lots of movie fans do in conversation, and turned it into a TH-cam comedy series. It was never meant to be taken as journalistic movie reviews. It's meant to represent that guy you know who always picks apart movies. Accuracy is not required for this. As far as being mean spirited or inappropriate, well that's always going to be a personal opinion. One person may think "That's going too far" while someone else is laughing. Which one is right and why are they the one who is right? Just because it's not funny to you doesn't mean it's not funny.
I can't believe your channel only has 53K subs. I've seen plenty of your videos and this is definitely 400K+ worthy at this point which even greater potential
Honestly I have always hated Cinema Sins, if I see a video that says "Everything Wrong With-" I think to myself "Ooh, maybe there is some plot holes I missed", I don't think "Let me hear some random guys sayin this character breathing a certain way is a MASSIVE PROBLEM". The channel is sooo stupid and pointless and I just wished it either made their videos properly picking out problems With a film, or just STOP posting because it's just annoying.
What the Kong director did wasn't public comments as much as a kid losing his shit in a mall hallway. Also, don't like the salt don't watch. It's like you think people are being forced to watch this.
They're not forced to watch you but it is very popular so a lot of people are receiving straight up lies about movies that a lot of them are not going to seeAll the way through 20 minutes of trashing each movie for things that are not actually wrong with the movie. I have yet to see one fan of cinema sins explain why it is good that they intentionally are lying and editing scenes to make jokes about the movie that are false to the movie
Hinestly Jeremy was good, until he started removing sins for woke points, and dinging more and more of his catchphrases such as 'reading', as they became the main focus of the dings, and not actual plot inconsistencies
I watch more movies and more kinds of movies than I normally would because of cinemasins. If I don't get the jokes and references or it just looks cool, I'll check the film out
CinemaSins used to be good. Then I took a few film classes in college and now I feel like the people behind it are running out of ideas. Now they just make fun of anything possible to get massive sin tallies
As someone who hasn't watched your channel for its entire existence, it's crazy to see how intellectual and well-made your videos were made when you only had forty-something subscribers. You totally deserve all the traffic that's been coming your way, and I hope your channel only continues to grow. I'm sure it will
The problem here is that people who watch these videos take them too literally and too seriously. They’re meant to be watched with an ironic and sarcastic lens
+Fizzbomb Gaming nothing. CinemaSins criticizes the movies and we criticize the channel. The problem begins when people pretend the channel is above criticism.
Once you put something out there you need to be ok with people tearing it to shreds even if you think it's undeserved This counts for every artist, youtuber (including cinemaSins) and film director/crew If you aren't ok with people mocking your work then don't publish it or stay far away from the internet
+Nate gough The thing is, it all depends on the type of criticism being given. Most people ARE open to accepting criticism when it's constructive and/or demonstrable (hence why Honest Trailers hardly ever seems to get as much flak when they clearly criticise something - the criticisms are generally warranted and, more importantly, are presented as clear jokes). It's the difference between me saying "I disagree with your statement and I'll respectfully explain why" and me saying "lol you're just a cinemasins fanboy who's probs being paid to kiss Jeremy's ass". The latter is blatantly unfair, and I'm willing to bet most people would agree if you chewed me out for saying that, while the former method actually promotes discussion. CinemaSins used to do that back in the day, but now it seems like they're trying to branch out into legitimately nitpicking movies (and often getting things objectively wrong) while still using the "jokes/satire/parody" to excuse themselves from ever being called out on it. If you watch Jeremy's "straight" reviews/comments on films that pop up on CinemaSins, the content is often almost indistinguishable - the CS videos just have their usual recurring jokes thrown in. They can't have it both ways.
I used to like Cinema Sins back when they started, I now actively avoid it...
Nemo_Veritas Same. It’s fun with movies I didn’t like. A ton of their sins seem really bitter and reaching.
Nemo_Veritas I’ve only ever avoided a video if I plan to see the movie.
@@AlexPBenton I also do the same thing
Same here. Sometimes I go there, but I stopped liking it when the fanbase got too fucking defensive.
@@enkiimuto1041 some times you just got to ignore the fanbase
I stopped watching CinemaSins when they started doing things like dinging movies for being confusing when the guys were just purposely leaving out information the movies presented. Like "What in the world is going on? How did they get to that location all of a sudden?" when literally the very previous scene in the movie would be the characters traveling to said location. They're either incredibly dumb or disingenuous, neither of which appeals to me.
that's why i switched over to cinimawins. much more enjoyable experience
Gonna cry?
@ZAP GAMERZ no
In a spider man movie, they were critical of the real life science...I mean WHAT
I once saw a gamingsins dinging Arkham asylum because in a certain level scarecrow was spinning, which was just to do a stealth platforming shit
I feel like CinemaSins was genuinely one of the worst things that could've happened to TH-cam because now you get people who _think_ they're being intellectual by nitpicking every single thing, when really it's the most obnoxious and banal thing you could do.
Hell yeah, I'm superhero'd out! Except the Incredibles 2. Got finished watching that today and I genuinely loved it.
nope, the worst thing that could have happened to youtube was the comment section. "Change my mind"
what do you mean, Nit picking can help you as a film maker and a continuity person. My CLA teacher always nitpicks our work. Yea we get sad and annoyed. But it doesn't really hurt any one just makes them a better film maker. Nitpicking will save you ALOT.
thanks
We had this before. It's called critical theory.
"Lets just point at a random things in a movie and call them sins - thats a good trick!"
Yes, because consistently nitpicking the same things regularly is "random".
Read a book.
Михаил Пашковский *ting!*
Epicytper jealous of the millions of dollars and views that make?
Bobby Bobby That's a stupid argument.
Epicytper clearly jealous of the fact that his “nitpicking” videos hold more weight in the film land than anything you’ll ever leave in a comment section...
Cinemasins before: cameramen appeared on the scene. Window was somewhere, then it disappears. Etc.
Cinemasins now: "this guy looks funny", "that chick is dumb"
Or, the science in superhero movies is bad.
The first goddamn video has a "scene does not contain lap dance" sin. They only made the videos longer because money obviously. You can't be mad because they have a business.
Cinema-sins has writers? Multiples? That they pay in real money? Good grief.
man, even the worst of movies have writers, who are paid with money) the quality of writing is another question though😁
I thought it was the one guy lol.
What am I doing wrong with my life that they are getting paid and I’m not
@@myrojyn having a job
I never took CinemaSins seriously. Always watch their videos for funny commentary and making fun of stereotypical stuff. Their reviews would definitely not stop me from watching a movie.
I only enjoyed watching CS vids that trashed movies I liked. Don’t understand why people get so upset about it.
Got bored of them after a while though.
Is it fun? I'm skeptical about a legit criticism video that drags longer than 10-15 minutes. 18 minutes of trashing seems like a chore.
@@cabrondemente1 It's not legit criticism though. It's a comedy channel. They're no more reviews than john oliver is news.
John Smith Who actually finds Cinemasins funny lmao all I hear is some loser making sad criticisms for money. I’ve never watched an entire cinemasins video ever
John Smith Who actually finds Cinemasins funny lmao all I hear is some loser making sad criticisms for money. I’ve never watched an entire cinemasins video ever
What about Cinemawins? Sure, they're not as big as Cinemasins, but they do put out surprisingly good content in a similar timespan while also respecting the creators.
CinemaWins is an awesome channel~! The guy who creates the videos makes me appreciate all the movies I watch so much more! :)
I hate it
I don't know what's so surprising...
As far as I'm concerned, Cinemasins are just plain crude humor while Cinemawins really sounds like he's cocksucking these creators sometimes. Heck I might even make the argument that Cinemasins are just brainless jokes, insulting it may be, it's still just a stupid trashing compared to Cinemawins who *maybe* really does just honestly praising these movies while ignoring it's flaws or bad points (sure you can set those things aside if you don't care, but it sure make you sounds like corporate shill).
I doesn't hate either ones, but both are decent at best.
It's dumb to say that he "ignores" the movie's flaws when the entire concept of the channel is to list the positive aspects of often-underappreciated movies. As the channel matured he focused less on maligned movies and more on popular content, but the premise of the channel continues to be about concentrating on the good. And even then he still lists the occasional flaw.
1 2 well fine, I'm just saying how much of a shill that made them sounds and that's it.
On the other hand, Cinemasins are based on the entire concept of nitpicking any aspect of a movie as much as possible but it didn't stopped them from removing a sin everytime a movie nailed something so well.
That's where I'll go back to my initial stance, Cinemasins are Jackasses and Cinemawins can really *really* sounds like blind fangirling. Both are decent, neither is better than the other.
TIME STAMPS:
@00:53 - Cinemasins From A Filmmaker's Perspective;
@03:36 - Evolution of Sins;
@05:04 - Quality of Sins Then and Now;
@07:53 - Good-spirited Jokes v Harmful Insults;
@10:37 - In Conclusion...
Thank you
wow thank you!!!
You're the hero we don't deserve but the hero we need
Crazy how criticizing things can be just as profitable as creating them.
Reminds me of Ego from Ratatouille
@@johnmorrell3187 my first thought after reading OP's comment
@@whereDoCarrotsComeFrom Theres no OP here cause this isnt reddit or 9gag and no one posted anything here, einstein.
@@ahabduennschitz7670 tf? They arw talking about movies and making money and youre gonna try to flex with your weird social media knowledge? Why watch videos against negativity if youre part of the problem einstein?
@@maxmustermann1533 Social Media Knowledge 😂😂😂😂
You my Friend are a special kind of stupid
i got annoyed about half a year ago when they started blatantly spread misinformation about movies and simple laws of the cinematic universe in which the movie is in.
Like "how can that superhero lift that car? Like we didn't know that hero clearly has super strength, etc...
My biggest annoyance was in the get out video and they'd purposely edit scenes to make the film seem worse than it was
But its not legit criticism its supposd to be funny and a joke
@@omercinar6693 totally agreed. They've been doing it for a long time now. Take The Dark Knight Rises for example. Half of the criticisms and plotholes they point out are easily solved by the dialogues but they manipulate the audience by editing the movie in a bad way while also misunderstanding scenes which ruins it for many people. They've done this in sooooo many of their videos that people who haven't even watched the movie already hate it bcuz of their videos as those idiots take them as facts.
@@DbladeMedic even in that case the missrepresentation of films is an extremely shitty thing to do.
D3RRANG3D not everything in their videos are jokes, they do have a lot of sins that are actual criticisms, and most of the time, the “sins” are just CInemasins being stupid and not paying attention to whatever movie they’re sinning, so they think the sin is a legit flaw or whatever
"the current internet culture favors negativity and conflict" unfortunately it's 2020 and this is still true
2022 and it sadly is more then ever
A good number of the sins they give out aren't actually jokes. Jeremy has his own movie review channel where he makes several of the same points as in the cinemasins videos. So the people saying that the videos are jokes that filmmakers overreact to are wrong.
Ultra Nerd, a helluva lot of what they sin deserves to be sinned. The rest is nitpicking. And whether those nitpick are justified or not, the fact remains they have every right to say whatever they want. Honestly the more people complain about CinemaSins being too mean or just wrong, the less I care and the more I want them to keep trashing shit movies. Funny how that works lol.
Muh! I don't like them because they hurt my fanboy's butt-hole. So nobody have the right to complain but me! #snyder's cut
Just because every line isn't a joke doesn't mean it's not comedic.
dirty pure Except they don't just trash talk "shitty" movies, and still sin things that are easily explained or justifiable.
Also, what does their "right to say" anything on their videos have to do with whether or not they SHOULD say it? I could make an entire video filled with misinformation and lies, yet pass it off as true. Doesn't mean I should.
Ultra Nerd "these jokes were used before so they aren't jokes" what kind of loopyland bullshit is that?
Ryan George and his pitch meeting videos are very good examples of criticism being funny without insulting the creators.
super easy, barely an incovenience
He does insult the creators. In another way. Get of my back is an insult. So the movie could happen also.
@@fischermann999 I'm not a native english speaker so I'm probably wrong but I have a hard time seeing "get off by back" as an insult.
To me, it shows frustration and/or deceit.
Am I the only one who just watches CinemaSin vids about movies I've already seen?
I already have my own fully formed opinion of the movie being sinned before I watch their take, but I like the channel's humour and insight. Sometimes they help me reinforce what I didn't like about the movie, sometimes sometimes it's just a few laughs and sometimes I roll my eyes as CinemaSins purposely misinterprets a scene for a cheap joke, but they've never changed my mind.
A joke is not funny if hurt someone working for something a u bash it for ur own enjoyment
Yours is maybe the most reasonable comment on here, that's exactly what I do. In fact, Cinemasins gets me to watch movies I woulda missed (just to see their videos).
On the most part I'm the same, but when they make one about a film that's just so far away from my alley I know I'll never watch it and I have a spare half an hour, I'm like why not have some cheap laughs?
Srijan Kumar Sir, did you have a stroke?
@@srijankumar5773 so why dont you go cry about it
I used to sin cinema sins in the comments. Until I just found it too painful how poorly researched or even basically thought through a lot of their “sins” were.
Sometimes it felt like they hadn’t even watched the film at all.
@person person Problem is people like me realised that strategy and then next step was. Click "don't recommend this channel".
i dont really consider cinemasins much of a "criticism" channel. they don't really do much critique with their videos as much as they make jokes about small things that they were personally annoyed with. if people are watching these videos and taking them as legitimate media criticism then that's probably an issue and shouldnt be too hard to solve. personal insults aimed at individuals who worked on the movies is in poor taste and offhand "bashing" without point or meaning isnt very worthwhile in any context though.
You miss the point, many of their nitpicks are actively explained by the movie they are watching, and sometimes they will deliberately edit away the explanation, There are dozens of instances of this. It's not criticism, it's called lying.
Wiffernubbin it’s called jokes
I absolutely agree.
I don't think anything personal should be brought up there but, aside from that it's hyperbolical shit on everything nitpicking for the sake of comedy. By getting upset about it you're already taking it way too seriously.
PauLtus B W my nigga
As one of their oldest video states "We're not reviewers, we're assholes and sins can be very minor things"
I agree with most of this. I remember when Cinema Sins actually made short and concise videos in which they actually pointed out badly used Cliches and continuity errors, bad shots + the running jokes of logos, storm trooper aim and the Prometheus school of running away from things which add a little bit of humor. It poked a bit of fun at films but never implied the film was bad because of it. I think the channel could be made better if the "sins section" of the videos were 5 minutes or so like they used to be, then maybe they could do a very short overall review (like 2 mins) where they actually credit the film fairly and at the end have the 3(ish) minutes of mashups that they do now. this would improve the quality of the sins, prevent damage to the artists who did a good job, and still let them just about hit the 10 minute mark for the revenue.
Also there is a channel called Cinema Wins which is really enjoyable and also gets into a bit of philosophy and meaning behind the films as well as pointing out cool moments. Another channel that pokes fun at films in a good way is Editing is Everything. - just a few cool movie channels that I hadn't heard of until recently.
Real talk anybody watching cinemasins looking for a honest criticism about the quality of a movie just stop. Channel always leaned comedy nitpicks over critical flaws. Longer the videos met they would include more comedy. Cinemasins should not dictate if you watch a movie or not.
If I watch a CinemaSins video for a movie I haven't seen, it is because I have no intention of seeing it anyway.
I don't always agree with them. For instance, I think they were unnecessarily harsh with Shrek, a movie aimed at kids. However, I still enjoyed the video because it was entertaining and it gave me an interesting viewpoint about the movie. Watching CinemaSins these days is like watching a review of the movie. It's just their opinions, and that's all. If the name of the videos were changed to "Things I Didn't Like About ____", hardly anyone would be complaining. But it's called "Everything Wrong With ____", so people think the channel is trying to tell audiences what to think about the movie...
And it's called Everything Wrong With because that spells EWW. It's another joke. And I totally agree with you, I often watch CS videos of movies I'm sure are detestable (Kong Skull Island is a good example, the King Kong remake by Del Toro was already bad enough) and will never watch. But I also watch their videos for movies I loved (The VVitch is a good example) and I still laughed a lot and loved their video. Directors who get offended/feel threatened by them are snow flake imbeciles, as demonstrated vastly by the movies they make (I downloaded and watched Skull Island, then deleted it instantly, it's so terrible, the characters are so shallow and chicle, it's on Transformers level of bad).
I was able to find some fun moments in kong skull island but felt sorry to watch talented actors given try to bring their mundane characters to life. Outside the kong scenes the movie fucking flawed. Cinemasins states before the video starts no movie is perfect. A person favorite film should be able to handle a being nitpicked.
+Alexandre Martins I don't think that offended director are "snow flake imbeciles". They are just witnessing, how months of their work is made seem bad in fornt of a large audience. I do understand their complaint, although criticism (good and bad) is part of the film industry. CinemaSins is always pointing out, what's bad in their eyes. But sometimes we forget, that every movie with it's plot, characters developments and actors caters a different audience. Most of these movies are just not worthy to watch (for me - in my opinion); you could even call them trash, but that doesn't mean they don't make money and that there are no people enjoying this kind of movie experience - even if it is forgettable. I still enjoy CinemaSins and their content. And I guess a part of their audience sees most flaws in some of their criticism or line of argument as I do as well as appreciates the jokes and where their "sins" are completely right. Still the film industry puts a lot of money and effort into making these movies. So let them complain.
Alexandre Martins del Toro has remake a King Kong movie? When?
I'm still a fan of Cinemasins and this is the best and most even handed critique video about them I have seen in a long time.
Also obligatory sin count.
_Ding_
even handed? elaborate
their not actual critics just assholes straight from their own mouths
Yeah still a fan of Cinema sins, rather my movie based entertainers not be paid by a sex offender or rapist. #ScreenJunkiesIsOverParty
So have you yet discovered the channel cinemawins?
A few times they can be just a bit too mean (especially with children's cartoons), but in general I absolutely love them!
I'm having a hard time understanding how your voice changed so much in less than 3 years
better recording equipment lol he now has the ability to record better audio
Totally agree. Heard SO many people talking shit about a movie and the literal only thing they could bring up was "the cinema sins video", people that would probably have a totally different opinion otherwise. They point out some plot-holes in funny ways but A LOT of the sins are pretty much bullshit, just jokes that dont even adress a flaw but still add to the sin counter, or insults. I mean, I love watching some of their videos but "satire" does not really apply for some of the things they say. Even if it might not be their intention; it teaches people to nitpick movies rather than find constructive critizism
Satire would imply that they would know the art of what they are criticising, which I am pretty sure they.... do not. At all.
I'm sure they know quite a bit about movies, but literally all they say is "this dialogue is shit" or "this plot is shit" rather than give any form of improvements at all. I know that it's not their intention to give improvements, they just want to do "comedy" basically, but none of what they say justifies insulting individual people working on those movies that much. It could be a somewhat enjoyable format if they weren't as toxic as they currently are, but my biggest issue is how many people, who don't know much about film take it literally and become these annoying nitpickers as well
I think it's just for fun man calm down
Gerard O'Neill No, it's not 'just for fun' it's a man baby that hates everything, making up fake sins for films such as "I CANNOT SEE THIS GATE IN WARCRAFT THAT THE ORC LADY IS TALKING ABOUT! SIIIIIN!" despite the fact that anyone with a pair of working eyes could see the god damn GIANT ASS GATE in the middle of the exact scene they were showing. They are dumbasses who get endless things wrong then claim it's comedy whenever it's called out, but when people like you are fellating them? They claim it's actually critique and reviews. Which it's not. It's idiocy pandering to dumbasses who probably get off to Transformers movies.
Gerard O'Neill They have claimed that their critique is legit MULTIPLE times, and it is just not fun to watch them if you cannot discern what is real and what is a joke.
“Only for you to see things like this:” *ad plays*
perfect timing
It's amazing how you can apply the same things said here on the current quality of the Nostalgia Critic.
you really have a hate boner for him dont you? you threw a tantrum and privated your vids so i wouldn't be talking
@@unknownflickz1289
Context?
@@guilhermedalmolinpereira7812 efap video about delving back into jw2, youll find people talking about it, ima see if i can find links
@@unknownflickz1289
I see...
@@guilhermedalmolinpereira7812 you dont believe me do you, if you look at his channel theres a 8 year gap
Why was this the first time I saw Jeremy's face?
Alex Soetekouw productions because you never watched any of the other content?
Alex Soetekouw productions because he's Batman
Alex Soetekouw productions, does that mean you’ve seen Chris’ face?
That seems odd to me. As far as I know, Jeremy appears on camera way more than Chris. Jeremy has had his own channel (Cinemasins Jeremy) for years. And on that channel he has a series where he appears on camera twice, with a split screen effect so that he can have a conversation with himself (aptly titled “Conversations with Myself”).
Alex Soetekouw productions because you didn’t see his “Everything Wrong With CinemaSins” video or his cameo on Nostalgia Critic’s “A Christmas Story 2” intro.
Well ok.... you haven't watched his dear Hollywood videos.
Thinking about it, CinemaSins has genuinely stopped me from watching a film before.
From 40 to 100K in almost two years is incredible. Congrats!
Ica Rue i believe it! i happened upon one of his videos and i hit subscribe when it was still only halfway through haha. love him. don’t always agree but always appreciate the analysis and opinion. not to mention that he’s respectful when doing it.
Like he almost 350k now O-O
He has come a long way. GZ!
All it take was to make a video about another youtube channel and it work.
1>guy creates content
2>guy makes content taking a shit on other guys content
3>original guy is offended
4>fans of second guy tell him to "grow up and take a hit"
5>guy creates content explaining the content of the guy shitting on the other guys content.
6>fans of second guy tell him to "grow up and take a hit"
7>repeat steps steps 5-6 until channel collapses due to change in management
>Content eats man
>Woman inherits the Earth
Everyone knows it's just jokes. The problem is that they make up problems and edit out explainations. That's not funny. It's just lying.
They are NOT just jokes. Check out CinemaSins' creator's personal channel where he posts his own actual reviews which have the same dumb points he used in the cinema sins' videos
Think the sin is unfair? It was only a joke!
Think the sin is fair? It was totally a real criticism!
This is the real issue with the videos. With very rare exceptions, whether or not the sin is supposed to be a real sin or a joke sin is unclear. The unfair ones are just explained away later as being jokes.
It is unclear, because on the other channel where he does "real" movie reviews, HE USES MANY OF THE VERY SAME "SINS." Some of them are obvious, yes. But the fact that some of them are of the lap dance variety doesn't mean they all are.
If you can't tell the difference between a joke sin (lapdance sin, etc.) and a genuine criticism, then you are for one, taking the channel way too seriously, or two, a fucking idiot with no common sense.
The lapdance sins are obvious. But many other sins that people defend as just being jokes (ie, ones that ignore the actual context of the film, or things that are explicitly explained in the film) are repeated in his "serious" criticism videos in his other channel. Which means they're not intended as jokes, he just doesn't pay attention.
I kinda stopped taking CinemaSins seriously as a comedy channel, when they pointed out the unlikely timing of events in Thor Ragnarok as sins, when clearly they're intentionally set up jokes because the movie is a comedy. I think it was when Thor was chatting with the skeleton and its jaw drops off or something, they referred to that unlikely event as a sin and I was like "c'mon! So gag humor is a sin now?"
I mean, I thought it was funny and it immediately clued me in to the type of movie I was going to be watching, and Thor's hilarious monologue with that skeleton, and the dumb gag of its jaw falling off, simply CAN'T be considered bad writing because it elicited exactly the effect that was intended - it tickled my funny bone, gave me a new perspective on the character of Thor and who he was going to be, tone-wise, in the movie. Most importantly, that gag told me immediately that this movie, unlike the previous Thor movies, would NOT be taking itself seriously at all - which is something that Ragnarok needed to establish IMMEDIATELY in order for the movie to work. The more I think about it actually, the more that silly cartoonish gag starts to seem like a stroke of writing genius xD
And the CinemaSins review continues to point out further obvious comedic moments and gags as sins, which made me roll my eyes because how the hell is a supposed comedy channel, taking shots at a comedy movie from a literal perspective, ever supposed to hit home? CinemaSin's best content comes from valid criticisms that surprise you because you never thought of them and you agree, or because you already noticed the problem and you're stoked to see they did too. It does NOT come from nonsensically critiquing for the sake of critiquing.
They put a sin because the name of place and its coordinates were there(Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2)
Then don't watch it. You know they are entire squad of profession created to trash talk on people right? It's called movie critique, food critique, art critique, etc
@Tomas Bell then don't watch it. Why complain like fishwife about something as if you are forced to watch it? Whiny little princess aren't you?
@@roxylius7550 Man, by that logic the whole cinemasins channel should't exist
@@vinirafael4205 what logic?
Thank you for genuinely making not only a fair case against Cinemasins but also a respectful one. That seems like something people keep misunderstanding when offering criticism to a content creator. Just a lack of respect. Be it Cinemasins or Game Theory or whatever. Just no respect with criticism then wondering why they aren't being heard. You get it. You're respectful. Keep it up.
Well respectful typically means pulling the soft punches and keeping your feelings hidden. Shaun did my favorite critique and I am sure you wouldn't consider it respectful (especially since one of his criteria of criticism is "Did you watch the movie?")
Nionivek I'm sorry but that's not what that means. It means using phrases like"dislike" as opposed to hate or including swears in as well. You can still use the "big guns" for an argument but that the overall goal is helpful, not bashing.
I don't really think they're trying to be heard. They know how little hollywood people are likely to care about their opinions. They're just trying to be entertaining and make their viewers happy.
The issue with that is that a lot of viewers are catching onto how low quality the videos are and how much of its critique is not earned. A lot of viewers want to be more than just entertained. It has gotten to the point where some of their fans actually believe the "Did we watch this movie" aspect is the joke, that their videos are supposed to be so ill informed that you are meant to laugh AT Cinemasins (As in the problem is so bad, people think it is intentional)
And I hope they do. 99% of movies made nowadays are godawfully bad, Transformers level. These should all bomb and bankrupt studios that are stupid enough to keep making them.
It's funny because...
I like Kong Skull Island.
Same.
It's very entertaining.
It's a good movie
I love it too
I actually hate cinema sins
In this comment section:
Angry and salty cinemasins fans
People are actually making good points on the argument
You should read the posts more carefully
And The Wild Bean Appears the arguments theyre making is all about "cinemasins is all about humor and satire". How about no. A good example of good comedic humor and satire is screen junkies; just like what this video just said.
How about humour being subjective. No one has to copy screen junkies and be as "nice" as them.
Kleidus you’re commenting on the wrong video. bobvids’s video is further up in your search results. the video we’re commenting rn was actually very logical and unbiased so we can actually address our agreements and disagreements rationally to this guy in the comments.
Lol i bet you're using the term salty at least 3 times a day with people who challenge your opinion.
Because telling that your opposition point of view is negative before making a statement yourself make you think you have an edge,i guess?
They hide behind the "it's a joke" excuse, watch Jeremy's "real" reviews and see no difference between his actual opinion and the "Satire" of CinemaSins
It's satire bro, ur trying to improve someone by giving them constructive criticism shows that ur jealous
@@akhil6826 learn how to read, fanboy.
@@ellingtonmoose3274 hey, I was being sarcastic
@@ellingtonmoose3274 I contradicted myself, idk how u didn't see my sarcasm
@@akhil6826 sorry bro I just woke up and misread that
The problem is, at least for me and seemingly a lot of other people as well, it fundamentally doesn't even work as humor. Humor has to make a certain kind of sense, it has to be relatable; for a channel like CinemaSins, the humor needs to be paired with a fair criticism -- which was the case for their earlier videos. Only then can I have that appropriate reaction of "Haha, yeah, they really did mess that up."
Now they're deliberately making these excruciatingly construed pseudo-criticisms in order to *seem* clever and increase run-time. It's not fair criticism, it's not funny, it's outright obnoxious.
Hey ItS JusT sAtiRe ur just a HaTer
Well Jeremy looks like a schmuck that would explain what's been happening
So I'm not the only who noticed that feels just mean sometimes. It wasn't always like this.
cheating on your wife is pretty mean too.
I've never thought of taking Cinemasins seriously, I just like their humor and I like nitpicking. I Just have fun listening to them
Thank you, I didn’t realize this many people were actually butt hurt
But let's be honest, who is actually watching these videos for legitimate reviews? I feel like people are so sensitive these days...
Well put together and thoughtful video. I can agree that when they go too personal it can be kinda harsh. I personally like the videos that are longer because it reminds me of mystery science theatre. Not all the jokes are quality but it's more true to their brand of knit picking stupid details. I do think that they should maybe counter act their public perception of being very negative by maybe doing more praising of films they like. Their podcast does this well but it's not nearly as popular as their videos.
Rocket Adrift Cartoons A highlight video of their podcast wouldn't be a bad idea at all.
Imagine a series if video going through their Best Movies Tournament where the praise the hell out of stuff like Children of Men.
Advent3546 Exactly!
Yeah but that isn't as funny or interesting as the nitpicking
Watch everything great with...instead of everything wrong with....
Rocket Adrift Cartoons you all...thosemthat are too sensitive....are dumb.
if you specifically go to cinemasins for an actual critique, then YOU are the dumb one. Cinemasins is created for those who have ALREADY seen and maybe enjoyed the movie already. Like, seriously. And after every movie EVERYONE critiques it. EVERYONE! We pick all the things right and wrong with it. How it's believable or not. And usually talk with friends about. And some friends say more than the other. Some are funnier. And that's what cinemasins is about.
Bitching about PEOPLE CHOOSING to watch comedy aimed critiques about a movie that should've been experienced first.....actually first....is dumb. Bitch to people. Not against Cinemasins.
They pretty much let you know it contains spoilers. Know why? Most people, normal people, don't want to hear the full story and one sided opinions of a movie before they see it. They're basically saying, "🤔 Do you guys want to hear a funny, one-sided, nitpicking, opinionated critique on a movie BEFORE you watch it? Cause this contains all that and spoilers. I'm not responsible for your enjoyment. I just want to be funny."
And whomever chooses the answer, "yes", Is the dumb one
I've watched cinemasins for probably a couple years now. Before this video, I never stopped to think whether or not it might sway my willingness to watch a movie because, most of the time, I used to watch their videos AFTER seeing the movie. Now, when I see far more youtube than cinema, I really appreciate a video like this to make me take a look at myself and what I'm doing. I especially appreciate how you keep this entire look at their channel in the sort of good taste you expect in return.
yeah, actually sometimes i finally watch a movie a was postponing just so i can watch the cinemasins on that
Maybe you should form your own opinions and stop mindlessly following everyone you admire. If TH-cam videos make you look at yourself and reflect on your actions...you are TOO INVESTED in the content. Simple and plain. I literally watch videos on every subject imaginable and whether I agree or not doesn’t matter. It’s all content I can watch and not watch at my leisure. Same for you. Stop using cinemasins to grow your channel...
wait, are you getting on this person's case for being able to critically assess and reflect upon the videos they watch
do you think that people should be watching videos for the sake of watching videos
IncoherentMoron lol it’s TH-cam not a seminar dude. You guys (internet heads) are too invested in content. Simply that. Just content. If THIS video above made you want to self reflect then you obviously need to find/do more with your life lol seriously
IncoherentMoron most content is created for the sake of simply watching lol not everything in the media has an underlying message for the viewers to discover.
lol you had 40 subscribers in august 2017. amazing
I love CinemaSins. Their humor isn't for everyone and a lot of people do take them too seriously. I do try to only watch them on movies I've seen before or sometimes I'll watch one that I don't have too much interest in. And watching them has made me more aware of so much that goes on in movies. And I'm not stupid enough to think that ever sin is an actually flaw in the movie. But also I love watching CinemaWins on the same movies. It's really cool to see how something that can be consider technically wrong in a movie be what made it good.
The problem is that they cannot handle criticism, everytime someone gives constructive criticism they say it's a parody and get things wrong on purpose but when they get things right they are giving serious criticism.
@ZAP GAMERZ read my comment again,they use satire as an excuse when they get something wrong and say they get things wrong on purpose
@ZAP GAMERZ I thought you were joking at first from the way you typed your response but goddamn there are some idiots that really use that excuse so never can be too sure
P.S sarcastic not ironic not trying to look like a Nazi grammar but I see many people using the word ironic wrong
@ZAP GAMERZ np and I still needed to be sure oh and what's your first language
@ZAP GAMERZ i see
Just over 40 subscribers only a couple years ago and now more than 200k? Mate, you surely have found your way. Although to be honest, by the sheer quality of you content I couldn’t have guessed it. This is your thing. Keep it up!
Three years later and my boy Filmento still consistent with the critiques he makes in this video: he talks about the movies themselfs, not about the people who wrote them. Very nice.
i actually disagree on the subject of cinemasins saying that its satire as, other people have noted, many of the 'nitpicks' also show up in their serious before and after videos. which means that at least half of their 'eww' videos are serious. that makes it hard to tell if its serious or not : \\
also, to everyone who says that doesn't matter, IT DOES. people who see it as serious will just not watch the movie, meaning that the producers will lose viewers for the movie, which affects their ability to KEEP making movies. and then people who don't take it seriously (and are fans) get overly defensive when people criticize cinemasins. and that's not even taking into account that they're showing a great amount of the movie IN their videos, which means that people might just not watch it because they saw the footage in the video!!
Some rich guy in hollywood should just hire a hitman on these two pieces of shits.
Cinemasins nikpick on purpose because they're giving sins to a movie whether it makes sense or not.
as a CinemaSins fan, I must agree they do seem to have opted for less actual plot holes and more roast-style comedy towards films.
I still watch them, and personally, I find them pretty funny; but what keeps me watching aside from that, is the occasional rip on an actual plot hole or strange occurrence, etc. in the film itself.
Plot holes and strange occurances Like a movie having logos at the beginning
1. They can't handle satire.
2. They can't handle criticism.
3. They can't make better movies.
I love how the TH-cam algorithm has auto linked "Everything wrong with skull island" as up next. Like, legit lol.
I watched cinemasins back in the day. It was funny and mostly pointed things wrong with the film. Then, one day i found myself cringy to thinks he said, and just found it insulting things and going beyond the movie and getting personal.
CinemaSins is fun to watch but they rarely have any good criticisms. Watch those videos for a smile and a laugh not for any real constructive criticism.
EXACTLY!!!
I hate this movie cause there were too many logos
I haven't watched a Cinemasins for years.
Personally can't imagine being someone that can sit and and enjoy cinemasins
Fair play to you if you do
It's a humorous partly-serious critique. Some I don't think are funny, but that depends on the movie. Why would you be genuinely upset about these videos? It's no different from moviemistakes.com or HISHE or Pitch Guy
This is an amazing video. I was interested from beginning to end and you backed up all points with sufficient evidence. Most videos on TH-cam make you form an opinion and use schemes to make the viewers believe them, but you formed a clear and fair argument. TH-cam needs more of this!
Well if someone is seriously thinking that Cinemasins running jokes are their attempt at criticizing a movie they don't understand the difference between critics and assholes on the internet making videos, I've never taken anything they said seriously, and anyone who does is watching the channel wrong, everyone talks about how they were better when they started but the only real difference I see is the length of the videos, sure you can dislike their brand of humor, but if you want a review of the movies you're watching look one up on the internet that doesn't start with Everything Wrong with.....
They do sin cliches and other stuff in movies, just because people don't like their jokes or sins doesn't mean the sins aren't there.
If people can't tell the difference between sarcasm and jokes and actual criticism, that's not Cinemasins fault. If people want real reviews of movies, look up a critics' reviews.
Cinemasins is just a pool of negativity. They demolish a well crafted or poorly crafted movie, making you either feel guilty or stupid for liking it or feel angry at them.
I like Cinemawins due to how much the guy puts positive energy into the movie. He points out the good parts, complements the writing, actually teaches me about cinematography, writing, lighting, and special effects. It allows me to gain a new appreciation for movies I love and at least respect movies I don’t.
I get that positive, feel good content isn’t the only thing we should consume, but Cinemasins has just become a pool of hate trashing a popular movie for clicks. There’s no respect for their own creation anymore.
I'll add that I don't agree with every "sin" he drops in, especially with his more recent content, but I still don't think there's anything inherently "wrong" with what he's doing overall.
Watching a CinemeSins video has never made me change my mind about how good or bad a movie is. It's not a film review and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Dayum u made this video with 44 subscribers, congrats man you have over 199K now, I just subscribed a month ago, I love your content I’m an aspiring filmmaker and your vids have been really helpful, keep it up :)
There are quite a few videos talking about the problems with CinemaSins.
Apparently, it gets a lot more sinister and flat-out disingenuous than what this video covers.
CinemaSins is garbage, can't understand how people could even watch a minute of those "critiques"/ jokes that always fall flat. Crazy to think they got that big off that trash
and where are you? exactly keep your mouth shut until you have something to prove
I only watch Cinema Sins sarcastically, and it's up to you to decide if that is good or bad. All he sins just feel like they are jokes.
I was a fan of cinemasins when they pick out continuity errors in movies and picked at cheesy and lazy writing but lately they just trash talk every movie they review. I’ll watch some of they stuff hardly finishing them due to their toxic badmouthing. They come off as self righteous.
Which is why i hopped on over to CinemaWins. Now I can appreciate each movie i watch a little more.
Same here.
Filmmakers don't have a right to shut down criticisms of your work, even if you feel they are unfair.
i love cinema sins, but i have a rule to only watch videos on movies i've already watched. if i didnt watch the movie, i cant understand the jokes. And i believe this should be the correct approach to watching cinema sins
Totally agree.
This is the most logical comment on this video.
Good thing they dont kiss Hollywood's ass.
“The Island” deserves to be ripped apart for being a blatant ripoff of “The Clonus Horror”, a low budget 80s horror movie from Canada
I hadn't watched CS in some time, and was wondering why I started seeing videos giving flak to a channel that always seemed to just be goofy. Your video definitely beats watching 3 hours of shaun rant about it. It is sad their quality declined, when in the beginning they enabled to look at movies with a more critical eye but these days their videos are riddled with weird invalid finger pointing.
Personally, I never watch a Cinemasins review of a film I've not seen. There would be no point. There ARE critics (eg Mark Kermode) whose opinions I listen to before deciding whether to see a film or not - but no-one in the industry lambasts newspaper or radio critics, even though their impact on a film's success is far greater. I DO eagerly check out Cinemasins for films I've already seen, however. Example - over Christmas I watched Kick-Ass for the first time. As a film, it had style wit and panache; and I was thoroughly entertained. Then I checked back and was delighted to find that Cinemasins had covered it - and was entertained once again by their amusing critique - not least because it was clear they loved the film as well. This is an important point. Cinemasins doesn't hate every film. Bad films (eg The Great Wall - and I still want my money back, not to mention three hours of my life) get torn to shreds, though not always as badly as they deserve. Good films get treated affectionately. A recent example of this is their review of Paddington, which no fan of the film could possibly object to, and most would find very funny. Or take their review of Se7en, in which they break off to lambast themselves for "criticising a masterpiece." Yes, their style has changed over the years - it's improved. Their writing is sharper and funnier, and their delivery much better. As for the money they make - more power to them.
I agree with everything you just said, BUT it does feel that recently they do like to ignore plot points, dialogue etc for some reason. It feels like laziness, because it's still the same nitpicky stuff it's just not based on what the movie previously clearly stated. Yes, there's still genuine jokes. There's also some videos, where they flat out hate the movie and it's really obvious. People like to generalize though, so now everyone is divided into 2 camps - hate or love. Meanwhile I think it's just a mixed bag.
I prefer Wins over Sins. The creator works hard to view movies objectively, and even points out flaws in the midst of appreciation
What is this accent are u finnish?
IceCool I was thinking the same thing!
People have opinions. A filmmaker who is given a blockbuster to helm and or work on as a crew member etc, should have thicker skin. If the studio is hurting your work, good luck with that.
I like how your production and editing went up during the years but the general flow of your essays has always been good
As for the length of their videos increasing, blame TH-cam's algorithms and monetization
I always sub for great channels that don't beg for subs at the end of the video.
That's why you always miss the good contents published by awesome channels
Bobo Boy, there's a difference between begging the audience and giving a friendly reminder. You're kind of pathetic as a youtube channel if you don't say at the end, "don't forget to like, subscribe, and share." It's also not even remotely close to begging.
+George Daugherty
true. Saying that they beg is kinda harsh.
Plus, when I don't subscribe and I want to watch another one of their vids, it's kinda hard to remember what was the name of the channel.
I subscribe more for myself than anything else. And if I want to support the channel more, I turn the notification bell on.
It's no big deal really.
Anthony S.
Agreed 100%, I also *hate* channels that beg for likes and subscribers *before* they even start the actual video. -_-
Jim Sterling and RLM don't "remind" anyone either. That being said, blame youtube for what seems like sub begging. Since the adpocalypse, a lot of channels are struggling to survive.
i think their commentary is entertaining enough, so I watch them every now and then, mainly with movies I have already seen.
I want to be a filmmaker and if my movie gets sinned, I will be flattered. I wouldn’t look too much into it. It’s just a video.
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I love how humble he always is
I liked Cinemasins in the beginning and I like them now. They took what lots of movie fans do in conversation, and turned it into a TH-cam comedy series. It was never meant to be taken as journalistic movie reviews. It's meant to represent that guy you know who always picks apart movies. Accuracy is not required for this. As far as being mean spirited or inappropriate, well that's always going to be a personal opinion. One person may think "That's going too far" while someone else is laughing. Which one is right and why are they the one who is right? Just because it's not funny to you doesn't mean it's not funny.
I can't believe your channel only has 53K subs. I've seen plenty of your videos and this is definitely 400K+ worthy at this point which even greater potential
when CinemaSins videos got longer than 5 Minutes i quit the channel.... no time to see those unfocused nitpicking....
Honestly I have always hated Cinema Sins, if I see a video that says "Everything Wrong With-" I think to myself "Ooh, maybe there is some plot holes I missed", I don't think "Let me hear some random guys sayin this character breathing a certain way is a MASSIVE PROBLEM". The channel is sooo stupid and pointless and I just wished it either made their videos properly picking out problems
With a film, or just STOP posting because it's just annoying.
What the Kong director did wasn't public comments as much as a kid losing his shit in a mall hallway. Also, don't like the salt don't watch. It's like you think people are being forced to watch this.
They're not forced to watch you but it is very popular so a lot of people are receiving straight up lies about movies that a lot of them are not going to seeAll the way through 20 minutes of trashing each movie for things that are not actually wrong with the movie. I have yet to see one fan of cinema sins explain why it is good that they intentionally are lying and editing scenes to make jokes about the movie that are false to the movie
"Just don't watch" is easy to say when there isn't a very popular youtube channel spreading lies about something that you created.
4:15 Screw CinemaSins, I would own a Rear Window poster if I knew where to get one, and I'm only just now out of high school.
40 subscribers? This channel deserves alot more than that. Keep up the good work.😊
Hinestly Jeremy was good, until he started removing sins for woke points, and dinging more and more of his catchphrases such as 'reading', as they became the main focus of the dings, and not actual plot inconsistencies
cinemesins when he realizes that he's a "human" cliche 🔔🔔🎶
I watch more movies and more kinds of movies than I normally would because of cinemasins. If I don't get the jokes and references or it just looks cool, I'll check the film out
CinemaSins used to be good. Then I took a few film classes in college and now I feel like the people behind it are running out of ideas. Now they just make fun of anything possible to get massive sin tallies
As someone who hasn't watched your channel for its entire existence, it's crazy to see how intellectual and well-made your videos were made when you only had forty-something subscribers. You totally deserve all the traffic that's been coming your way, and I hope your channel only continues to grow. I'm sure it will
I'm so glad people are actually starting to level valid criticism at cinema sins. No idea why it took 5-7 years.
It was the time to the 12 yo took to grow up
Stopped watching cinemasins when their videos crossed the 5 minute mark.
Wait, people actually take cinemasins videos seriously?
CinemaSins are a bunch of bullies using "Its just a joke" as a way to get away with it.
What’s with all the dislikes? Angry CinemaSins fans? I thought this video was really well made. You’ve earned yourself another subscriber.
You deserve far more subs than CinemaSins tbh
The problem here is that people who watch these videos take them too literally and too seriously. They’re meant to be watched with an ironic and sarcastic lens
Guys if I ever say something stupid I was actually being sarcastic. I'm actually really smart and never make mistakes.
so what stops the movies from being criticized idiot
Fizzbomb Gaming People who complain about “haters” people need to lighten the heck up
+Fizzbomb Gaming nothing. CinemaSins criticizes the movies and we criticize the channel. The problem begins when people pretend the channel is above criticism.
Titanium Rain then don't get mad when he criticized movies
Once you put something out there you need to be ok with people tearing it to shreds even if you think it's undeserved
This counts for every artist, youtuber (including cinemaSins) and film director/crew
If you aren't ok with people mocking your work then don't publish it or stay far away from the internet
If you can't accept criticism then you have no place sharing your work publicly, never mind selling it.
And yet half the comments are pretty much saying cinemasins is immune to criticism (because jokes).
+Nate gough The thing is, it all depends on the type of criticism being given. Most people ARE open to accepting criticism when it's constructive and/or demonstrable (hence why Honest Trailers hardly ever seems to get as much flak when they clearly criticise something - the criticisms are generally warranted and, more importantly, are presented as clear jokes). It's the difference between me saying "I disagree with your statement and I'll respectfully explain why" and me saying "lol you're just a cinemasins fanboy who's probs being paid to kiss Jeremy's ass". The latter is blatantly unfair, and I'm willing to bet most people would agree if you chewed me out for saying that, while the former method actually promotes discussion.
CinemaSins used to do that back in the day, but now it seems like they're trying to branch out into legitimately nitpicking movies (and often getting things objectively wrong) while still using the "jokes/satire/parody" to excuse themselves from ever being called out on it. If you watch Jeremy's "straight" reviews/comments on films that pop up on CinemaSins, the content is often almost indistinguishable - the CS videos just have their usual recurring jokes thrown in. They can't have it both ways.